Monday, June 14, 2010

rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 6 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Gord Fraser vs Linda Jackson Roller Room - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/72a15ab8c9685b67?hl=en
* TDF 2010 prospective winners - 9 messages, 8 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3b5893ae469217fd?hl=en
* Eliminate time trial and aero bikes from racing. - 10 messages, 9 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9f5784738cf312f5?hl=en
* Road ID - Stupidiest idea ever ? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/01935f5ba3d2fa3e?hl=en
* the easy way to ride scanuppia - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f76aa317df03b0d2?hl=en
* Tour de Suisse, stage 3 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7aa5730c29f5125a?hl=en

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TOPIC: Gord Fraser vs Linda Jackson Roller Room
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/72a15ab8c9685b67?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 12:00 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jun 13, 8:59 pm, TheCoz <cycled...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 7:55 pm, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 13, 5:57 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
>
> > > Roller Room, coming to a race near you!
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pf8C_-cwj4
>
> > Has that woman ever pedaled a bicycle before?
>
> > -rj
>
> Flip-flops with toe straps, yeah. Coffee shop queen
> Coz

Dumbasses,

Cycling is entertainment, they're in front of an audience,
and she bantered with the announcer enough that the
crowd wouldn't go to sleep during the warmup. That's
professional. Remind me not to book any of you
clowns for benefits, buttering up the sponsors, or
party entertainment.

Fredmaster of Ceremonies Ben


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 8:57 am
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 13, 8:59 pm, TheCoz <cycled...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 7:55 pm, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 13, 5:57 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
>
> > > Roller Room, coming to a race near you!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pf8C_-cwj4
>
> > Has that woman ever pedaled a bicycle before?
>
> > -rj
>
> Flip-flops with toe straps, yeah. Coffee shop queen
> Coz

Only woman I know who has ridden sub-16 minutes on Old La Honda (3.32
miles, 1290' elevation gain). Not exactly her specialty, and she's
also going to be 52 this fall.

Brad Anders

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TOPIC: TDF 2010 prospective winners
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3b5893ae469217fd?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 1:37 am
From: S Perryman


hargow20@yahoo.com wrote:

> I was a 'bit' surprised that Contador was not able to drop Janez
> Brajkovic on the Alpe De Huez stage of the Dauphine-Libre.

First competitive ride for over a month, was it not.

Contador is allegedly now going to be doing some 'proper' training on
the TdF Pyrenees stages. Scary enough that he wins on Alpe d'Huez with
his form as it is.

IMHO he was probably most displeased by his performance in the long TT, not
by his ride on Alpe d'Huez. He'll want his TT form much sharper than
that.


> As for Lance, his poor performance in yesterdays TT in the Tour De
> Suisse is just one more sign that his career is headed downhill. The
> rain is really no excuse for him to finish so far back.

Of all the other prospective TdF winners for 2010, Armstrong is the only
other one you have comments on ??


Regards,
Steven Perryman


== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 2:16 am
From: "A. Dumas"


Amit Ghosh wrote:
> i think if he really wanted to he could have. he put in one attack and
> if that dropped brajkovic he would've went for the win, but when
> brajkovic was able to hang on he was content to let him sit on.

Not so content that he didn't try at least 5 more times. Available for
review in 1920x1080 over at alt.binaries.multimedia.sports (named
"etappe 7").


== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 4:03 am
From: Keith


On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:27:44 -0700 (PDT), Amit Ghosh
<amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 13, 11:14Êpm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
>wrote:
>
>> And how many of those others still have something to prove? As in,
>> wanting to get selected for the 'Tour team? The Dauphine isn't just a
>> tune-up event for guys like Lance, it's also a selection event for those
>> not on the top rung of the ladder.
>
>dumbass,
>
>we're talking about the tour de suisse (his teammate won dauphine)
>
>i watched the video and it also appears that the roads were wet for
>only the last part of the TT. it was a technical TT so if he took it
>easy it was not just in the turns but in the straights and on the
>climb as well.
>
>i'm no hater, but he maybe the fifth best rider on radioshack.

Brajkovic, Horner, Kloden, Leppy ?

We'll have to wait for the mountain stage on Thursday
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-suisse-upt/stage-6 to find
out a bit more and then the ITT on Sunday
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-suisse-upt/stage-9

Hopefully he won't be DNF by then...


== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 6:32 am
From: Horst Schnellinger


* Scott <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> [13-06-10 21:43]:
> On Jun 13, 3:25 pm, Horst Schnellinger <schnellin...@nurfuerspam.de>
> wrote:
>> * hargo...@yahoo.com <hargo...@yahoo.com> [13-06-10 20:49]:
>>
>> > I was a 'bit' surprised that Contador was not able to drop Janez
>> > Brajkovic on the Alpe De Huez stage of the Dauphine-Libre. So it will
>> > be interesting to see how and what role Janez Brajkovic  plays in Team
>> > Radio Shack if he is chosen for the TDF team.
>>
>> > As for Lance, his poor performance in yesterdays TT in the Tour De
>> > Suisse is just one more sign that his career is headed downhill. The
>> > rain is really no excuse for him to finish so far back.
>>
>> So why should he risk anything in this TT, right before the TdF?
>> Also did Kl den, the Schleck brothers, Gesink and others, who all came
>> in with over 20sec, safety first. TdS is training for the TdF-Favorites,
>> nothing more.
>
> Stop talking sense, it'll just confuse him.

I love confused dumbasses. ;-)


== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 9:04 am
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 13, 1:49 pm, "hargo...@yahoo.com" <hargo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I was a 'bit' surprised that Contador was not able to drop Janez
> Brajkovic on the Alpe De Huez stage of the Dauphine-Libre. So it will
> be interesting to see how and what role Janez Brajkovic  plays in Team
> Radio Shack if he is chosen for the TDF team.
>
> As for Lance, his poor performance in yesterdays TT in the Tour De
> Suisse is just one more sign that his career is headed downhill. The
> rain is really no excuse for him to finish so far back.

Sure it is. He wasn't the only one who took it easy. You don't think
he's trying to win TdS, do you?

I can't count how many times I've seen guys who were flying in
Criterium who were miles OTB in the TdF. I suspect Contador will be a
different guy next month.

Brad Anders


== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 11:41 am
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<3b7daad5-5f95-4084-881d-cba2525d6d74@t14g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
"hargow20@yahoo.com" <hargow20@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I was a 'bit' surprised that Contador was not able to drop

It is a training ride.

> Janez
> Brajkovic on the Alpe De Huez stage of the Dauphine-Libre. So it will
> be interesting to see how and what role Janez Brajkovic plays in Team
> Radio Shack if he is chosen for the TDF team.
>
> As for Lance, his poor performance in yesterdays TT in the Tour De
> Suisse is just one more sign that his career is headed downhill. The
> rain is really no excuse for him to finish so far back.

We mortals have no inkling into the ways of LANCE.

--
Old Fritz


== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 11:54 am
From: "hargow20@yahoo.com"


On Jun 14, 9:04 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 1:49 pm, "hargo...@yahoo.com" <hargo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I was a 'bit' surprised that Contador was not able to drop Janez
> > Brajkovic on the Alpe De Huez stage of the Dauphine-Libre. So it will
> > be interesting to see how and what role Janez Brajkovic  plays in Team
> > Radio Shack if he is chosen for the TDF team.
>
> > As for Lance, his poor performance in yesterdays TT in the Tour De
> > Suisse is just one more sign that his career is headed downhill. The
> > rain is really no excuse for him to finish so far back.

For a rider like Lance finishing in 40th place in a TT is more than
taking it easy. No I doubt that Lance wants to win the TdS.
>
> Sure it is. He wasn't the only one who took it easy. You don't think
> he's trying to win TdS, do you?
>
> I can't count how many times I've seen guys who were flying in
> Criterium who were miles OTB in the TdF. I suspect Contador will be a
> different guy next month.
>
> Brad Anders

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 4:28 pm
From: Scott


On Jun 14, 12:54 pm, "hargo...@yahoo.com" <hargo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 14, 9:04 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 13, 1:49 pm, "hargo...@yahoo.com" <hargo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > I was a 'bit' surprised that Contador was not able to drop Janez
> > > Brajkovic on the Alpe De Huez stage of the Dauphine-Libre. So it will
> > > be interesting to see how and what role Janez Brajkovic  plays in Team
> > > Radio Shack if he is chosen for the TDF team.
>
> > > As for Lance, his poor performance in yesterdays TT in the Tour De
> > > Suisse is just one more sign that his career is headed downhill. The
> > > rain is really no excuse for him to finish so far back.
>
> For a rider like Lance finishing in 40th place in a TT is more than
> taking it easy.  No I doubt that Lance wants to win the TdS.
>
>
>
> > Sure it is. He wasn't the only one who took it easy. You don't think
> > he's trying to win TdS, do you?
>
> > I can't count how many times I've seen guys who were flying in
> > Criterium who were miles OTB in the TdF. I suspect Contador will be a
> > different guy next month.
>
> > Brad Anders

If it were a longer TT where the time gaps between 1st and 40th was
somewhere on the order of 4 or 5 minutes, I'd be inclined to accept
your point. For a short, prologue-ish TT of less than 8km, given that
he's only 29 seconds back in a race he's not specifically trying to
win, I'm not inclined to agree with your point at all. LA's results
in the 'stage 1' TT mean nothing.


== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 4:33 pm
From: Keith

>> > Sure it is. He wasn't the only one who took it easy. You don't think
>> > he's trying to win TdS, do you?
>>
>> > I can't count how many times I've seen guys who were flying in
>> > Criterium who were miles OTB in the TdF. I suspect Contador will be a
>> > different guy next month.
>>
>> > Brad Anders
>
>If it were a longer TT where the time gaps between 1st and 40th was
>somewhere on the order of 4 or 5 minutes, I'd be inclined to accept
>your point. For a short, prologue-ish TT of less than 8km, given that
>he's only 29 seconds back in a race he's not specifically trying to
>win, I'm not inclined to agree with your point at all. LA's results
>in the 'stage 1' TT mean nothing.

Correct, let's see what happens on Thursday
(http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-suisse-upt/stage-6 ) and
Sunday (http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-suisse-upt/stage-9) -
assuming he hasn't fallen off his bike again or that his brake hasn't
started rubbing...or whatever the next excuse happens to be...

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TOPIC: Eliminate time trial and aero bikes from racing.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9f5784738cf312f5?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 3:35 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org


On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:33:43 -0700, "H. Fred Kveck"
<YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

>In article <BaidnTPp_9iq4YjRnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> (the real kind that gets stiff between rides).
>
> Sean Kelly would not approve.

What passes for subtle on rbr.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...


== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 4:50 am
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"


On Jun 13, 4:25 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>  I think there are several reasons why this would be a good idea.
>
> 1.  Allows better comparisons across the spectrum of cyclists
> 2.  Lowers the entry barrier for equal participation
> 3.  Allows rider to stage race without excessive transport costs

TT participation would likely go down were it not for the opportunity
to spend $ and ride on the latest fast gear.

Honestly, being able to ride that much faster on an aero rig is part
of the attraction. otherwise it is only suffering. (it's suffering
in any case, but at least you're going a lot faster)

As I recall Nature Valley is making the TT be "Merckx-style" ... and
people were not happy about it.


== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 4:56 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/13/2010 11:33 PM, H. Fred Kveck wrote:
> In article<BaidnTPp_9iq4YjRnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "B. Lafferty"<bl@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> (the real kind that gets stiff between rides).
>
> Sean Kelly would not approve.
Indeed.


== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 6:18 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 6/13/2010 3:25 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> I think there are several reasons why this would be a good idea.
>
> 1. Allows better comparisons across the spectrum of cyclists
> 2. Lowers the entry barrier for equal participation
> 3. Allows rider to stage race without excessive transport costs
>
> Of course the industry makes a lot of money from aero equipment so
> it's an uphill battle but for me there's something pure and true about
> a road bike.
>
>

Focksticks,

A TT on an unpaved surface would accomplish this. A friend that is
running a TT had their course altered by road construction. I tried
to make the case for this, but was unsuccessful.

Fred Flintstein


== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 7:53 am
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jun 13, 10:39 pm, NoDannyNo <riggodee...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > and plus fours and pipe smoking.
>
> Certain forms of pipe smoking as modern as an 11-tooth sprocket.

rbr prefers pole smoking.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 8:06 am
From: Betty


NoDannyNo wrote:
>> Certain forms of pipe smoking as modern as an 11-tooth sprocket.

Amit Ghosh wrote:
> rbr prefers pole smoking.

11 tooth pole smoking is a bit excessive.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 10:19 am
From: KGring


On Jun 13, 1:25 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Of course the industry makes a lot of money from aero equipment so
> it's an uphill battle but for me

Dumbass -

That's why your "battle" is doomed.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 12:54 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 13, 1:25 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>  I think there are several reasons why this would be a good idea.
>
> 1.  Allows better comparisons across the spectrum of cyclists
> 2.  Lowers the entry barrier for equal participation
> 3.  Allows rider to stage race without excessive transport costs
>
> Of course the industry makes a lot of money from aero equipment so
> it's an uphill battle but for me there's something pure and true about
> a road bike.

Your idea makes sense at an amateur level. At a pro level, I like the
bikes and aero gear. ITT's are incredibly boring, and looking at all
the different gear makes it marginally interesting to the fans. It
also brings in some sponsor money for the riders and teams.

TT's are so boring that we need some new rules. In ITT's, you should
also be permitted to draft off faster riders, unless they're on your
team. In TTT's, they should permit the teams to use one or more
tandems, or even 3+ rider bikes. I also want to see a derny-paced ITT
in the TdF, on wide-open, dead-flat roads. I figure an average speed
of 160 km/hr for a 50 km ITT would be possible.

Brad Anders


== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 1:26 pm
From: Betty


Brad Anders wrote:
> I also want to see a derny-paced ITT
> in the TdF, on wide-open, dead-flat roads. I figure an average speed
> of 160 km/hr for a 50 km ITT would be possible.

And the crashes would be much more spectacular.


== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 2:40 pm
From: Fred on a stick


On 6/14/2010 12:54 PM, Brad Anders wrote:

> TT's are so boring that we need some new rules. [...] I also
> want to see a derny-paced ITT

I call dibs on Bill C. Kurg takes Fat Steve.

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TOPIC: Road ID - Stupidiest idea ever ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/01935f5ba3d2fa3e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 9:01 am
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 13, 12:20 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Road ID has to be the stupidiest idea ever.
>
> If a guy can talk he will either tell you to call 911 or "Fuck off, I
> am not a cunt and can finish the ride with my bloody and broken (name
> the major organ or limb) or to call someone to come pick him up.
>
> If he can't talk ( the 'genius' behind Road ID ) because he's
> unconscious.... the morons standing around your lifeless bodies should
> then consult your wrist over the next 5 minutes to see who they should
> call ?
>
> In that case you don't need a Road ID, just smarter riding buddies.
>
> But I do think I'd kick anyone in the balls that was actually wearing
> one.

I ride alone a lot, I have the dogtag one. I want to make sure my wife
knows where to claim the body.

Brad Anders


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 12:37 pm
From: kirby


On Jun 13, 3:20 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Road ID has to be the stupidiest idea ever.
>
> If a guy can talk he will either tell you to call 911 or "Fuck off, I
> am not a cunt and can finish the ride with my bloody and broken (name
> the major organ or limb) or to call someone to come pick him up.
>
> If he can't talk ( the 'genius' behind Road ID ) because he's
> unconscious.... the morons standing around your lifeless bodies should
> then consult your wrist over the next 5 minutes to see who they should
> call ?
>
> In that case you don't need a Road ID, just smarter riding buddies.
>
> But I do think I'd kick anyone in the balls that was actually wearing
> one.

Maybe you and your riding buddies are a little more "buddy buddy" than
me and mine. I ride with several different groups of people and most
people I ride with don't know my address or phone #. I kind of like
it that way. We are on a need to know basis. If they need to know,
they can look at my hospital band.

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TOPIC: the easy way to ride scanuppia
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f76aa317df03b0d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 11:17 am
From: Anton Berlin


On Jun 13, 10:44 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
> Anton Berlin wrote:
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TKm-T_ne_k
>
> But the question is,  can he do that while texting?

And would be become Bob Roll's stocker and follow him home - where for
fucks sake - he still needs a Road ID ?


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TOPIC: Tour de Suisse, stage 3 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7aa5730c29f5125a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 11:51 am
From: Bob Martin



Stage 3 : Jun 14, Sierre - Schwarzenburg, 196.6 km

1 Frank Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 5.02.21
2 Rigoberto Uran (Col) Caisse d'Epargne
3 Bauke Mollema (Ned) Rabobank 0.03
4 Steve Morabito (Swi) BMC Racing Team
5 Matteo Carrara (Ita) Vacansoleil Pro Cycling Team
6 Juan Manuel Garate (Spa) Rabobank
7 Robert Gesink (Ned) Rabobank
8 Thomas Lovkvist (Swe) Sky Professional Cycling Team
9 Nicolas Roche (Irl) AG2R La Mondiale
10 Tony Martin (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia


Changes in GC, stage 3 compared to stage 2 :

Biggest gainers by position :
+42 Edouard Vorganov
+40 Christian Vandevelde
+39 Amets Txurruka
+38 Mikhaylo Khalilov
+36 Cameron Meyer
+35 Alessandro Ballan
+31 Peter Wrolich
+30 Marzio Bruseghin
+30 Bjorn Schroder
+30 Alessandro Vanotti

Biggest losers by position :
-54 Matthias Russ
-53 Roman Kreuziger
-49 Martijn Maaskant
-46 Matti Breschel
-42 Aitor Hernandez
-42 Jens Voigt
-41 Lars Petter Nordhaug
-40 Marco Marcato
-40 Mathias Frank
-39 Karsten Kroon
-30 Mirco Lorenzetto

Biggest gainers by time :
+0:16 Frank Schleck
+0:12 Rigoberto Uran
+0:07 Bauke Mollema
+0:05 Steve Morabito
+0:03 Tony Martin
+0:03 Thomas Lovkvist
+0:03 Robert Gesink
+0:03 Nicolas Roche
+0:03 Matteo Carrara
+0:03 Juan Manuel Garate

Biggest losers by time :
-17:53 Aitor Hernandez
-17:53 Andreas Klier
-17:53 Angelo Furlan
-17:53 Gerben Lowik
-17:53 Jeremie Hunt
-17:53 Jonas Ljungblad
-17:53 Karsten Kroon
-17:53 Koldo Fernandez
-17:53 Kurt Asle Arvesen
-17:53 Martijn Maaskant
-17:53 Matteo Bono

Favourites by position :
+40 Christian Vandevelde
+30 Marzio Bruseghin
+29 Frank Schleck
+20 Robert Gesink
+17 Allan Davis
+12 Lance Armstrong
+9 Andreas Kloden
+6 Kim Kirchen
+2 Tony Martin
-1 Levi Leipheimer
-1 Fabian Cancellara
-5 Andy Schleck
-42 Jens Voigt
-53 Roman Kreuziger

Favourites by time :
+0:16 Frank Schleck
+0:03 Tony Martin
+0:03 Robert Gesink
-0:01 Levi Leipheimer
-0:01 Lance Armstrong
-0:01 Fabian Cancellara
-0:13 Andy Schleck
-0:13 Andreas Kloden
-1:01 Kim Kirchen
-1:58 Roman Kreuziger
-4:20 Jens Voigt
-6:08 Christian Vandevelde
-7:30 Marzio Bruseghin
-9:54 Allan Davis

Top 3 and favourites GC standings (previous stage in parens) :
1 Tony Martin 9:38:04 (was 3rd at 0:03)
2 Fabian Cancellara 0:01 (was 1st at 0:00)
3 Thomas Lovkvist 0:09 (was 6th at 0:12)
.....
6 Frank Schleck 0:13 (was 35th at 0:29)
.....
13 Levi Leipheimer 0:19 (was 12th at 0:18)
.....
17 Robert Gesink 0:27 (was 37th at 0:30)
.....
21 Lance Armstrong 0:30 (was 33rd at 0:29)
.....
27 Andy Schleck 0:37 (was 22nd at 0:24)
.....
31 Andreas Kloden 0:45 (was 40th at 0:32)
.....
55 Roman Kreuziger 1:59 (was 2nd at 0:01)
.....
62 Kim Kirchen 3:13 (was 68th at 2:12)
.....
73 Jens Voigt 4:48 (was 31st at 0:28)
.....
124 Christian Vandevelde 18:38 (was 164th at 12:30)
125 Marzio Bruseghin 18:57 (was 155th at 11:27)
.....
136 Allan Davis 21:08 (was 153rd at 11:14)

Top 10 on Points table with previous in parens:
1 Heinrich Haussler 20 (was 1st with 25 points)
2 Pablo Urtasun Perez 20 (unchanged)
3 Fabian Cancellara 19 (unchanged)
4 Marco Marcato 16 (unchanged)
5 Frank Schleck 15 (was 0 points)
6 Tony Martin 13 (was 9th with 10 points)
7 Oscar Freire Gomez 13 (was 5th with 13 points)
8 Rigoberto Uran 12 (was 0 points)
9 Simon Gerrans 12 (was 7th with 12 points)
10 Roman Kreuziger 12 (was 6th with 12 points)

Top 10 on Mountains table with previous in parens:
1 Alexandre Pliuschin 17 (was 0 points)
2 Aitor Hernandez 16 (was 2nd with 12 points)
3 Mathias Frank 15 (was 1st with 13 points)
4 Matthias Russ 8 (was 3rd with 8 points)
5 Ermanno Capelli 8 (was 0 points)
6 Pavel Brutt 7 (was 4th with 7 points)
7 Jussi Veikkanen 6 (was 0 points)
8 Wouter Poels 3 (was 0 points)
9 Jacob Fuglsang 2 (was 0 points)
10 Robert Gesink 1 (was 0 points)

Retirements to date : Stage
David Vitoria (Swi) Footon-Servetto 3 <<<
Dominique Nerz (Ger) Team Milram 3 <<<
Fabio Felline (Ita) Footon-Servetto 3 <<<
Joao Correia (Por) Cervelo Test Team 3 <<<
Joost Van Leijen (Ned) Vacansoleil Pro Cycling Team 3 <<<
Pedro Merino Criado (Spa) Footon-Servetto 3 <<<
Peter Sagan (Svk) Liquigas-Doimo 3 <<<
Valerio Agnoli (Ita) Liquigas-Doimo 3 <<<
Laurens Ten Dam (Ned) Rabobank 2
Total retirements : 9


(This report can also be seen at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rvmartin2)


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