Friday, September 10, 2010

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Today's topics:

* Jets Season Predictions.... Win/Loss - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0eb6ec7e8ea0cf15?hl=en
* Game 1 sold out; No blackout! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2d54c014aaf542c8?hl=en
* Better Than Writing an OT Political post - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3b785c79d4f8f0ed?hl=en
* Brady in car wreck - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c0b61d4f4d4917f2?hl=en
* Marcus Dixon - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5e37dbda92f4f136?hl=en
* Sanchez - What to expect? - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2f47e1fb70dee4d2?hl=en
* Conner - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8c39be1e9f710d46?hl=en
* When was the last time... - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3909f73d13788a2e?hl=en

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TOPIC: Jets Season Predictions.... Win/Loss
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0eb6ec7e8ea0cf15?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 12:42 pm
From: graybeard


On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:07:36 -0400 buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:46:16 -0400, graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:02:50 -0400 graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 23:06:28 -0400 buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT), Johnny Morongo
>>>><j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sep 8, 9:31 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:31:58 -0700 (PDT), Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >8-8 and no playoffs. Sanchez will cost us at least 3 games.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you've got it wrong.
>>>>>> Sanchez will be benched, and Ol' Kellen Clemens will lead us to the promised land ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>OUCH! Actually, I had a very scary thought, not about Sanchez getting
>>>>>hurt, but about his getting injured and having Clemens come in to take
>>>>>over the the team, leading us to a less than Super 9-7 record and a
>>>>>one-and-done playoff appearance.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh the pain!
>>>>
>>>>9-7 aint bad... how much better will we be with a healthy Sanchez ;)
>>>>Hopefully, he'll start showing real flashes, at some point, but with the coaches he has...
>>>
>>>Everyone keeps worrying about Sanchez, whether he won't improve, or will
>>>get hurt, or something. The guy I'm most concerned about is Shonn
>>>Greene. If he gets hurt the Jets entire #1 rushing attack from last year
>>>will be replaced by a guy with a whole lot of mileage on his tires and
>>>another guy with the brain of a ten tear old.
>>
>>Umm, ten *year* old.
>
>I just figured you meant a new born ;)

At least new borns have instincts.
--
graybeard


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 12:45 pm
From: graybeard


On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:06:20 -0400 buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:02:50 -0400, graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 23:06:28 -0400 buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT), Johnny Morongo
>>><j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sep 8, 9:31 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:31:58 -0700 (PDT), Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >8-8 and no playoffs. Sanchez will cost us at least 3 games.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you've got it wrong.
>>>>> Sanchez will be benched, and Ol' Kellen Clemens will lead us to the promised land ;)
>>>>
>>>>OUCH! Actually, I had a very scary thought, not about Sanchez getting
>>>>hurt, but about his getting injured and having Clemens come in to take
>>>>over the the team, leading us to a less than Super 9-7 record and a
>>>>one-and-done playoff appearance.
>>>>
>>>>Oh the pain!
>>>
>>>9-7 aint bad... how much better will we be with a healthy Sanchez ;)
>>>Hopefully, he'll start showing real flashes, at some point, but with the coaches he has...
>>
>>Everyone keeps worrying about Sanchez, whether he won't improve, or will
>>get hurt, or something. The guy I'm most concerned about is Shonn
>>Greene. If he gets hurt the Jets entire #1 rushing attack from last year
>>will be replaced by a guy with a whole lot of mileage on his tires and
>>another guy with the brain of a ten tear old.
>
>Definitely a concern whether he can stay healthy.
>But, I saw an interview with him last week, and he was talking about his offseason, and
>how he worked to be in better shape. So, we'll see.
>That said, Sanchez hasn't really shown me anything yet. Now's his chance ;)

Oddly enough, I feel that the Jets can hide Sanchez' deficiencies (see
end of last year) better than they can withstand the loss of their
running game.
--
graybeard


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 1:17 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <vi2l86dep3b7g0f8go151h7fqtm0acnu2c@4ax.com>,
graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:06:20 -0400 buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:02:50 -0400, graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 23:06:28 -0400 buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT), Johnny Morongo
> >>><j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Sep 8, 9:31 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:31:58 -0700 (PDT), Ritchie
> >>>>> <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> >8-8 and no playoffs. Sanchez will cost us at least 3 games.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think you've got it wrong.
> >>>>> Sanchez will be benched, and Ol' Kellen Clemens will lead us to the
> >>>>> promised land ;)
> >>>>
> >>>>OUCH! Actually, I had a very scary thought, not about Sanchez getting
> >>>>hurt, but about his getting injured and having Clemens come in to take
> >>>>over the the team, leading us to a less than Super 9-7 record and a
> >>>>one-and-done playoff appearance.
> >>>>
> >>>>Oh the pain!
> >>>
> >>>9-7 aint bad... how much better will we be with a healthy Sanchez ;)
> >>>Hopefully, he'll start showing real flashes, at some point, but with the
> >>>coaches he has...
> >>
> >>Everyone keeps worrying about Sanchez, whether he won't improve, or will
> >>get hurt, or something. The guy I'm most concerned about is Shonn
> >>Greene. If he gets hurt the Jets entire #1 rushing attack from last year
> >>will be replaced by a guy with a whole lot of mileage on his tires and
> >>another guy with the brain of a ten tear old.
> >
> >Definitely a concern whether he can stay healthy.
> >But, I saw an interview with him last week, and he was talking about his
> >offseason, and
> >how he worked to be in better shape. So, we'll see.
> >That said, Sanchez hasn't really shown me anything yet. Now's his chance ;)
>
> Oddly enough, I feel that the Jets can hide Sanchez' deficiencies (see
> end of last year) better than they can withstand the loss of their
> running game.

Especially because the latter is how they hide the former.

harlan


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 2:53 pm
From: buRford


On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:45:06 -0400, graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:06:20 -0400 buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:02:50 -0400, graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 23:06:28 -0400 buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT), Johnny Morongo
>>>><j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sep 8, 9:31 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:31:58 -0700 (PDT), Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >8-8 and no playoffs. Sanchez will cost us at least 3 games.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you've got it wrong.
>>>>>> Sanchez will be benched, and Ol' Kellen Clemens will lead us to the promised land ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>OUCH! Actually, I had a very scary thought, not about Sanchez getting
>>>>>hurt, but about his getting injured and having Clemens come in to take
>>>>>over the the team, leading us to a less than Super 9-7 record and a
>>>>>one-and-done playoff appearance.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh the pain!
>>>>
>>>>9-7 aint bad... how much better will we be with a healthy Sanchez ;)
>>>>Hopefully, he'll start showing real flashes, at some point, but with the coaches he has...
>>>
>>>Everyone keeps worrying about Sanchez, whether he won't improve, or will
>>>get hurt, or something. The guy I'm most concerned about is Shonn
>>>Greene. If he gets hurt the Jets entire #1 rushing attack from last year
>>>will be replaced by a guy with a whole lot of mileage on his tires and
>>>another guy with the brain of a ten tear old.
>>
>>Definitely a concern whether he can stay healthy.
>>But, I saw an interview with him last week, and he was talking about his offseason, and
>>how he worked to be in better shape. So, we'll see.
>>That said, Sanchez hasn't really shown me anything yet. Now's his chance ;)
>
>Oddly enough, I feel that the Jets can hide Sanchez' deficiencies (see
>end of last year) better than they can withstand the loss of their
>running game.

It's not hiding Sanchez, to me, as much as what he can actually do to move the team.
Everyone is going to be keying on the run, so he's going to have to step up, and make
things happen.

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TOPIC: Game 1 sold out; No blackout!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2d54c014aaf542c8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 12:48 pm
From: graybeard


On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Ian
<spuorgelgoog@ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sep 9, 10:13 pm, The Great Sanchini <msanc...@nyjets.com> wrote:
>> I guess this will be a weekly thing; having to get the official word
>> from the Jets as to whether the games are blacked out or not.
>>
>> Remember, justin.tv and other places carry the games in case they are
>> ever blacked out.
>> ________________________________
>> Sep 9, 5:05 PMEDT
>> Jets sell out season opener vs. Ravens
>>
>> FLORHAM PARK, N.J. (AP) -- The New York Jets have avoided a television
>> blackout by selling out their season opener against the Baltimore
>> Ravens on Monday night.
>>
>> The team says Thursday that no non-premium seats at the New
>> Meadowlands Stadium are available, although 1,500 club seats remain -
>> but those do not factor into possible blackout situations.
>>
>> The Jets began selling individual game tickets online on Aug. 31,
>> making about 16,000 upper-bowl tickets available to the general
>> public. Those non-PSL seats had already sold out for the Jets' first
>> two home games by later that night.
>>
>> Matt Higgins, the Jets' executive vice president of business
>> operations, said at that time that 96 percent of the stadium's overall
>> seats were sold.
>
>How far does the blackout range?

Used to be a 75 mile radius. Don't know if that is still the case.
--
graybeard

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TOPIC: Better Than Writing an OT Political post
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 1:20 pm
From: John C TX


On Sep 10, 11:25 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:20:39 -0700 (PDT), John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini...
>
> >:)
>
> This is a big surprise to me... that Cimini's nose is brown  ;)

LOL

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TOPIC: Brady in car wreck
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 1:32 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:918b237f-4f52-4e2a-ab93-bfa2a97b37c5@q26g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 9, 4:53 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:4a5f8180-7647-4da3-91e4-9826bd65a5b2@z25g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Fortunately he is OK but it is strange how rare pro athletes get hurt
> > in car wrecks.
>
> >http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/09/patriots_qb_in...
>
> It's something to do with being in great shape. I really believe that. Way
> back in 1966 when I got out of college, just finished playing ball, the
> first thing I did was buy a new Mustang. Not a week after I had it a guy
> was speeding up onto a light in the opposite direction from me...he lost
> control and crossed a small median divder and hit me head on at about 50
> MPH....my car was completely totaled, the console went out the back
> window.
> I had a lot of bruises and was dazed, but that was it. I did have a seat
> belt on. At the time the doctors told me the fact I was in great physical
> shape had a lot to do with my not having broken bones. I was very lucky,
> and I'm glad Tom Brady was too. Papa Carl

I have similar one except I hit a train and played a match the next
day. Funny part was the train never blew its whistle was going 70 mph
+-- no crossing lights--, almost killed me, & the cop wrote me a
ticket for "Failure to Yield To Train."

True story.

:)

So did CSX send you a bill? I'd expect that. I'm glad you were not in the
middle of it all.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 1:41 pm
From: John C TX


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> So did CSX send you a bill?  I'd expect that.  I'm glad you were not in the
> middle of it all.

Southern Pacific & that is funny you asked.

Insurance covered the car but it was a year old so I took a haircut
and my insurance went up. I asked a plaintiffs lawyer who was a team
mate with about the possibility of getting money out of a RR. His
reply was you would have better luck suing the federal govt.

I went down with my list of witnesses, my insurance bill and the money
I lost on the car to visit the RR's attorney. He started telling me
how he had witnesses and I told him we both know that is BS. He asked
what I wanted. I gave him the number for 5 years cost of increased
insurance and $ I lost on the car. He handed me a release & paid it.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 1:54 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> So did CSX send you a bill? I'd expect that. I'm glad you were not in the
> middle of it all.

Southern Pacific & that is funny you asked.

Insurance covered the car but it was a year old so I took a haircut
and my insurance went up. I asked a plaintiffs lawyer who was a team
mate with about the possibility of getting money out of a RR. His
reply was you would have better luck suing the federal govt.

I went down with my list of witnesses, my insurance bill and the money
I lost on the car to visit the RR's attorney. He started telling me
how he had witnesses and I told him we both know that is BS. He asked
what I wanted. I gave him the number for 5 years cost of increased
insurance and $ I lost on the car. He handed me a release & paid it.


Mine was a guy crossing a median and hitting me, head on. He even clipped
the back of the car in front of me. The guy died instantly. But.....the
girl driving the car in front of me was the girlfriend of the local police
lt. He actually came to the accident scene. She somehow got written out of
the accident report altogether...why I will never know. And I got charged
with a serious charge, when it went to court the judge threw it out
instantly....it gave me tons of grief for a long time. Then out of the blue
I get a knock on the door one night and it is a lawyer from the insurance
company of the guy who hit me, and caused the entire pileup...they were
offering me money to not sue them. Years later, a state police officer who
had gotten involved in the investigation called me to tell me the local
police Lt. involved in the original investigation had been arrested, and
that accident was one of the things he did wrong....his girlfriend did not
have a valid drivers license...he covered her involvement up, and tried to
make me the scape goat. This entire accident happened on MY side of the
road...this guy was going the other direction and hit me and had to cross
two lanes of traffic to do it. That was a very long time ago...and it was
the beginning of my somewhat jaded look at some law enforcement. As for the
"other" insurance company, they just wanted me to go away....I told them I
didn't want anything and they could just forget about me, I was alive and
that was all that mattered.

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TOPIC: Marcus Dixon
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 1:35 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> It's all the self-righteous horseshat in this country. I mean, I was
> reading an article
> before... some candidate endorsed by Palin, said abstinence isn't enough.
> Teens shouldn't
> do any *self-styled* erotic play either. That's un-American I tell ya ;)

I am sitting here with reading glasses how do you think I feel.

> >The Koran burning is just idiotic & dangerous. Some half wit wants to
> >be in the news. Imho similar to the Iman in NY as they both want fame
> >even if what they are doing is bad form, although legal and should be
> >protected. I feel bad for the overwhelmingly good Muslims and I feel
> >sad for America although in general Islam scares the hell out of me.
>
> I used to feel that way, years ago. Then, I was living in an area with
> lots of Muslim
> merchants, that I'd talk with, & grew friendly with. They'd always get
> terrified, when
> the crazies would do the suicide thing. Then 9-11, and some of them
> actually headed back
> to their old countries, because they were so scared. In the end, we're all
> the same. And
> all religions have their crazy zealots. The problem now, is that the Media
> feeds this
> crap. And in general, Americans are lazy, ignorant simpletons, who believe
> whatever
> they're told. When this cultural center crap started, the people in NY, in
> general, had
> no problems with it. After weeks, then months of the propaganda
> drumbeat... now many are
> against it. I'll tell ya, lots of times Muslim people look shifty, only
> because they're
> so scared how they're being judged as unhuman terrorists. It becomes
> paranoia after a
> while. BTW, they've been praying in that building, since the building was
> purchased.
> Nobody ever complained.

b, I am mature enough not to hate the person. I don't hate the
religion either. I am Catholic & know much of what I try to believe
in has huge chasms bridged by faith so I don't want people tearing me
apart because of that. Religion should be about waking up & being a
better person.

Islam's structure, which in many ways is non-existent, can allow evil
to twist the Koran to appeal to the those with no hope -- see Catholic
Church Dark Ages-- and that is what scares me, not the Pakistani,
Indian or Arab.

And the Old Testament????? The Christian Extreme Right are
bonkers.....anybody who thinks Jesus is telling them to burn books needs to
go to the crisis center and be evaluated...then they take their meds or go
inpatient for a while.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 1:50 pm
From: John C TX


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> And the Old Testament?????  The Christian Extreme Right are
> bonkers.....anybody who thinks Jesus is telling them to burn books needs to
> go to the crisis center and be evaluated...then they take their meds or go
> inpatient for a while.

b, I agree with you. Again, the non-denominational churches with no
hierarchy generally produce the biggest nut jobs. There is something
to be said for process. In my church we could have had a better one in
the lat 20 years o if ayone wants to talk about pedophilia talk to
someone else.

Most mainstream, again I said most, Christian & I believe all Jews do
not believe the Bible is the word of God but divinely inspired.

When are extremist on either side not dangerous? The problem is both
sides are too quick to call a differing opinion extremists. In my
experience many aren't extremist but opportunist & some labeled
extremist are being done so for a political advantage.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 1:56 pm
From: John C TX


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> Thing is, if you read any of the holy books, of any religion, they're all the same in
> their ability to be interpreted, however the interpreter needs to spin it... or manipulate
> the reader.

Or you can take from it the positive message and be inspired to
improve. Gandhi kept a copy of Matthew's Beatitudes as well as text
from other faiths.

Granted, people can use it as a weapon as well.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 2:58 pm
From: buRford


On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:56:06 -0700 (PDT), John C TX <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote:

>X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>> Thing is, if you read any of the holy books, of any religion, they're all the same in
>> their ability to be interpreted, however the interpreter needs to spin it... or manipulate
>> the reader.
>
>Or you can take from it the positive message and be inspired to
>improve. Gandhi kept a copy of Matthew's Beatitudes as well as text
>from other faiths.

Obviously... that's what most people do. But, I don't think the Koran is any more violent
or crazy, than any other holy book.

>
>Granted, people can use it as a weapon as well.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 3:01 pm
From: buRford


On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:35:33 -0400, "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

>
>"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:eb75ad27-a531-4d9d-bbff-424b2336787b@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>> It's all the self-righteous horseshat in this country. I mean, I was
>> reading an article
>> before... some candidate endorsed by Palin, said abstinence isn't enough.
>> Teens shouldn't
>> do any *self-styled* erotic play either. That's un-American I tell ya ;)
>
>I am sitting here with reading glasses how do you think I feel.
>
>> >The Koran burning is just idiotic & dangerous. Some half wit wants to
>> >be in the news. Imho similar to the Iman in NY as they both want fame
>> >even if what they are doing is bad form, although legal and should be
>> >protected. I feel bad for the overwhelmingly good Muslims and I feel
>> >sad for America although in general Islam scares the hell out of me.
>>
>> I used to feel that way, years ago. Then, I was living in an area with
>> lots of Muslim
>> merchants, that I'd talk with, & grew friendly with. They'd always get
>> terrified, when
>> the crazies would do the suicide thing. Then 9-11, and some of them
>> actually headed back
>> to their old countries, because they were so scared. In the end, we're all
>> the same. And
>> all religions have their crazy zealots. The problem now, is that the Media
>> feeds this
>> crap. And in general, Americans are lazy, ignorant simpletons, who believe
>> whatever
>> they're told. When this cultural center crap started, the people in NY, in
>> general, had
>> no problems with it. After weeks, then months of the propaganda
>> drumbeat... now many are
>> against it. I'll tell ya, lots of times Muslim people look shifty, only
>> because they're
>> so scared how they're being judged as unhuman terrorists. It becomes
>> paranoia after a
>> while. BTW, they've been praying in that building, since the building was
>> purchased.
>> Nobody ever complained.
>
>b, I am mature enough not to hate the person. I don't hate the
>religion either. I am Catholic & know much of what I try to believe
>in has huge chasms bridged by faith so I don't want people tearing me
>apart because of that. Religion should be about waking up & being a
>better person.
>
>Islam's structure, which in many ways is non-existent, can allow evil
>to twist the Koran to appeal to the those with no hope -- see Catholic
>Church Dark Ages-- and that is what scares me, not the Pakistani,
>Indian or Arab.
>
>And the Old Testament????? The Christian Extreme Right are
>bonkers.....anybody who thinks Jesus is telling them to burn books needs to
>go to the crisis center and be evaluated...then they take their meds or go
>inpatient for a while.
>

Or those that kill Doctors, because the Dr chooses to help women who seek to have a legal
procedure done. Books don't kill people, people do ;)

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TOPIC: Sanchez - What to expect?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 5:29 pm
From: BicketyBam


I am really baffled as to what to expect from 2nd year quarterback, Mark
Sanchez. I don't really follow college football, so I didn't see much of
his college career (not that there was a lot to follow). I've seen enough
pro football to know that rookie QB's that start in the NFL right out of
college typically struggle. I pretty much got what I expected out of
Sanchez last year, which was fair to foul with a couple flashes of good to
very good. But this year I really don't know what to expect. Based on
preseason, I would say not much. And the reports that I have read all seem
to say the same thing - he hasn't improved with a full year of experience
under his belt.

I took a look at Eli Manning's first two years and put them with Sanchez's
first.

Games ATT Comp Pct ATT/G Yds Avg
Manning (04) 9 197 95 48.2 21.9 1043 5.3
Manning (05) 16 557 294 52.8 34.8 3762 6.8
Sanchez 15 364 196 53.8 24.3 2444 6.7

Yds/GmTD TD% INT INT% Lng 20+ 40+ Rate
Manning (04) 115.9 6 3 9 4.6 52 11 4 55.4
Manning (05) 235.1 24 4.3 17 3.1 78T 49 8 75.9
Sanchez 162.9 12 3.3 20 5.5 65T 34 8 63


I guess the million dollar question is can Sanchez put together a 2nd year
that is comparable to Eli's 2nd year. I know there is no way he is going to
put the ball up 34 times per game. That is not how this team is built. But
a QB rating of 75 - 80, 20 td's and 10 or less int's would make me happy.
What do you guy think? Is this a reasonable expectation?


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 5:42 pm
From: "JKConey"

"BicketyBam" <Blowme@joemama.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9DEFD063C4BE1Blowmejoemammanet@209.197.15.254...
> I am really baffled as to what to expect from 2nd year quarterback, Mark
> Sanchez. I don't really follow college football, so I didn't see much of
> his college career (not that there was a lot to follow). I've seen enough
> pro football to know that rookie QB's that start in the NFL right out of


I expect more of the same. Looks to me like he's still a couple years
away from being a reliable every game guy. That said, defense and running
game can go a long way.


--

www.myconeyislandmemories.com

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 5:56 pm
From: euphy


On 9/10/2010 7:29 PM, BicketyBam wrote:
> I am really baffled as to what to expect from 2nd year quarterback, Mark
> Sanchez. I don't really follow college football, so I didn't see much of
> his college career (not that there was a lot to follow). I've seen enough
> pro football to know that rookie QB's that start in the NFL right out of
> college typically struggle. I pretty much got what I expected out of
> Sanchez last year, which was fair to foul with a couple flashes of good to
> very good. But this year I really don't know what to expect. Based on
> preseason, I would say not much. And the reports that I have read all seem
> to say the same thing - he hasn't improved with a full year of experience
> under his belt.
>
> I took a look at Eli Manning's first two years and put them with Sanchez's
> first.
>
> Games ATT Comp Pct ATT/G Yds Avg
> Manning (04) 9 197 95 48.2 21.9 1043 5.3
> Manning (05) 16 557 294 52.8 34.8 3762 6.8
> Sanchez 15 364 196 53.8 24.3 2444 6.7
>
> Yds/GmTD TD% INT INT% Lng 20+ 40+ Rate
> Manning (04) 115.9 6 3 9 4.6 52 11 4 55.4
> Manning (05) 235.1 24 4.3 17 3.1 78T 49 8 75.9
> Sanchez 162.9 12 3.3 20 5.5 65T 34 8 63
>
>
> I guess the million dollar question is can Sanchez put together a 2nd year
> that is comparable to Eli's 2nd year. I know there is no way he is going to
> put the ball up 34 times per game. That is not how this team is built. But
> a QB rating of 75 - 80, 20 td's and 10 or less int's would make me happy.
> What do you guy think? Is this a reasonable expectation?

A sophomore slump is coming. Yeah man. Get ready for it.

Ü


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 6:04 pm
From: graybeard


On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:42:33 -0400 "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net>
wrote:

>
>"BicketyBam" <Blowme@joemama.net> wrote in message
>news:Xns9DEFD063C4BE1Blowmejoemammanet@209.197.15.254...
>> I am really baffled as to what to expect from 2nd year quarterback, Mark
>> Sanchez. I don't really follow college football, so I didn't see much of
>> his college career (not that there was a lot to follow). I've seen enough
>> pro football to know that rookie QB's that start in the NFL right out of
>
>
> I expect more of the same. Looks to me like he's still a couple years
>away from being a reliable every game guy. That said, defense and running
>game can go a long way.

More of the same what? Here's what folks forget:

Sanchez played 19 games last year, including playoffs, and had totals of
16 TD's and 22 Int's. In 4 of those games he had 2 TD's and 15 Int's.
That means in the other 15 games (almost a full season) he had 14 TD's
and 7 Int's. Are we remembering only the bad Sanchez? It seems to me
that our #1 defense gave away more games in the 4th quarter than Sanchez
cost us.
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graybeard


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 6:06 pm
From: BicketyBam


euphy <eüphemism@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:42b9lp.4p9.17.5@news.alt.net:

> On 9/10/2010 7:29 PM, BicketyBam wrote:
>> I am really baffled as to what to expect from 2nd year quarterback,
>> Mark Sanchez. I don't really follow college football, so I didn't see
>> much of his college career (not that there was a lot to follow). I've
>> seen enough pro football to know that rookie QB's that start in the
>> NFL right out of college typically struggle. I pretty much got what I
>> expected out of Sanchez last year, which was fair to foul with a
>> couple flashes of good to very good. But this year I really don't
>> know what to expect. Based on preseason, I would say not much. And
>> the reports that I have read all seem to say the same thing - he
>> hasn't improved with a full year of experience under his belt.
>>
>> I took a look at Eli Manning's first two years and put them with
>> Sanchez's first.
>>
>> Games ATT Comp Pct ATT/G Yds
>> Avg
>> Manning (04) 9 197 95 48.2 21.9 1043 5.3
>> Manning (05) 16 557 294 52.8 34.8 3762
>> 6.8 Sanchez 15 364 196 53.8 24.3
>> 2444 6.7
>>
>> Yds/GmTD TD% INT INT% Lng
>> 20+ 40+ Rate
>> Manning (04) 115.9 6 3 9 4.6 52 11 4
>> 55.4 Manning (05) 235.1 24 4.3 17 3.1 78T
>> 49 8 75.9 Sanchez 162.9 12 3.3 20
>> 5.5 65T 34 8 63
>>
>>
>> I guess the million dollar question is can Sanchez put together a 2nd
>> year that is comparable to Eli's 2nd year. I know there is no way he
>> is going to put the ball up 34 times per game. That is not how this
>> team is built. But a QB rating of 75 - 80, 20 td's and 10 or less
>> int's would make me happy. What do you guy think? Is this a
>> reasonable expectation?
>
>
>
> A sophomore slump is coming. Yeah man. Get ready for it.
>
> Ü
>

Fair enough, but based on what? A Dolhins' fan desire to see him suck?
If so, then I can just as easily say he will have a breakout year :)


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 6:07 pm
From: BicketyBam


graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:ovkl86t0p0b9kkbg2o88hfh1adb4ub2r05@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:42:33 -0400 "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"BicketyBam" <Blowme@joemama.net> wrote in message
>>news:Xns9DEFD063C4BE1Blowmejoemammanet@209.197.15.254...
>>> I am really baffled as to what to expect from 2nd year quarterback,
>>> Mark Sanchez. I don't really follow college football, so I didn't
>>> see much of his college career (not that there was a lot to follow).
>>> I've seen enough pro football to know that rookie QB's that start in
>>> the NFL right out of
>>
>>
>> I expect more of the same. Looks to me like he's still a couple
>> years
>>away from being a reliable every game guy. That said, defense and
>>running game can go a long way.
>
> More of the same what? Here's what folks forget:
>
> Sanchez played 19 games last year, including playoffs, and had totals
> of 16 TD's and 22 Int's. In 4 of those games he had 2 TD's and 15
> Int's. That means in the other 15 games (almost a full season) he had
> 14 TD's and 7 Int's. Are we remembering only the bad Sanchez? It seems
> to me that our #1 defense gave away more games in the 4th quarter than
> Sanchez cost us.

That is an excellent point, Grey, and that is why I put this out there. I
never looked at it that way. And I totally agree with you about the
defense.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 5:49 pm
From: "JKConey"


Harlan I don't know if we ever spoke about this before but... I've been
eating low carb for 10 years now. It's not a diet anymore, it's the way I
eat forever. Down 40 lbs from my high, and not in anyway fit, but gradually
losing and keeping it off. No bread, potatoes, pasta. Sugar is the enemy,
not fat. I eat lots of meat, fat and veggies. I've eaten like a pig at
Vegas buffets for 3-4 days, and actually come home down a lb or 2. All my
bloodwork numbers are improved.


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www.myconeyislandmemories.com

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 5:56 pm
From: MZ


JKConey wrote:
> Harlan I don't know if we ever spoke about this before but... I've
> been eating low carb for 10 years now. It's not a diet anymore, it's the
> way I eat forever. Down 40 lbs from my high, and not in anyway fit, but
> gradually losing and keeping it off. No bread, potatoes, pasta. Sugar is
> the enemy, not fat. I eat lots of meat, fat and veggies. I've eaten
> like a pig at Vegas buffets for 3-4 days, and actually come home down a
> lb or 2. All my bloodwork numbers are improved.
>
>

Crap. How do you live without bread, potatoes, and pasta? I think I'd
jump off a bridge.

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TOPIC: When was the last time...
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 5:52 pm
From: "JKConey"


You were you this psyched about an upcoming season? Richard Todd days?
Browning Nagle?

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www.myconeyislandmemories.com

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 5:57 pm
From: euphy


On 9/10/2010 7:52 PM, JKConey wrote:
> You were you this psyched about an upcoming season? Richard Todd days?
> Browning Nagle?
>


Kenny O'Brien.

Ü


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 10 2010 6:09 pm
From: BicketyBam


"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in news:i6ejt5$3kj$1@news.eternal-
september.org:

> You were you this psyched about an upcoming season? Richard Todd days?
> Browning Nagle?
>

The season where Vinny blew out his achilles in the first game. Oh, and the
Favre year. Too bad he was hurt. Look how the guy played last year.


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