Wednesday, September 8, 2010

rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 13 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Today is 20th Anniversary of John Frey's 47:35 40K in Moriarty New Mexico -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cba9a2ba200acaf6?hl=en
* Original Bruce meltdown thread? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/be3cf2385466fe37?hl=en
* Shox NZ shoes,paypal payment (http://www.cntrade09.com) - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/306b612db485e094?hl=en
* Phinney is a goddamn spaz - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0346991f0051cb0d?hl=en
* ibike pro power meter - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/74a3c67aba955bc8?hl=en
* MIDGET PORN - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6b21ab805dfdbdac?hl=en
* why are riders under contract allowed to sign with another team - 3 messages,
2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/13f9b4e9c73a23d1?hl=en
* EPSON INK - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7410eea6529bc04f?hl=en
* Nissan Sticking with Armstrong--For Now - 7 messages, 7 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/63a0025ad81e3c84?hl=en
* Schleck, O'Grady dropped by Riis for use of banned substance - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/caf04674f853e20a?hl=en
* VOYEUR PICS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/61dad37c5f8b1094?hl=en
* In a Muslim Country - Andre Jute would stone women - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/45b175d2fcae8084?hl=en
* Michael Ball - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/83bba9cc0a650c58?hl=en

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TOPIC: Today is 20th Anniversary of John Frey's 47:35 40K in Moriarty New
Mexico
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cba9a2ba200acaf6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 12:18 am
From: Frederick the Great


In article <i66p4l$7gk$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
Fred on a stick <anonymous.coward@address.invalid> wrote:

> On 9/7/2010 6:12 PM, Frederick the Great wrote:
>
> >> A photo of Frey and Randy Corcoran during their ride on Monday:
> >>
> >> http://www.nmcycling.org/
> >
> > There's your problem. Aero helmet pointing up into the wind.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> As you should've figured out by now, that's not Andy's problem. That's a
> photo of Frey and Corcoran, who were trying to break the US Tandem 90+
> record currently held by Cooglian and Vertool.

Yes, I know.

<http://ic2.pbase.com/v3/89/475089/2/50738722.Welltheresyourproblem.jpg>

--
Old Fritz

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TOPIC: Original Bruce meltdown thread?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/be3cf2385466fe37?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 12:40 am
From: drmofe


On Sep 6, 7:53 am, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr> wrote:
> Can anybody find it in the archives? Thanks. Can't remember if I said
> anything to trigger it. Brucie is dragging it up on another forum, very
> tiring.

Does he still live here?
http://maps.google.com/maps?li=rwp&q=16704+E+HIALEAH+AVE,+CENTENNIAL,+CO+80015

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TOPIC: Shox NZ shoes,paypal payment (http://www.cntrade09.com)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/306b612db485e094?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Phinney is a goddamn spaz
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0346991f0051cb0d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 1:25 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


Magilla Gorilla wrote:
>>> http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/09/news/taylor-phinney-will-conti...

Fred wrote:
>> A spaz? How so? For crashing, or continuing?

TheCoz wrote:
> A spaz with a high dollar career ahead of him.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Roche jr outdoing Phinney jr at least
when it comes to tours.

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TOPIC: ibike pro power meter
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/74a3c67aba955bc8?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 1:34 am
From: yirgster


On Sep 6, 8:21 am, Magilla Gorilla <m.gori...@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:
> yirgster wrote:
> > ibike pro power meter.http://www.ibikesports.com/products_ipro.html
>
> > Any opinions on this?  I'm thinking of getting one.
>
> Youngster,
>
> You don't need no power meter.   Use your license from USA Cycling as a
> rough digital power meter.  If it says you're a Cat. 5 it means you need
> to produce a hell of a lot more watts.  If it says you're a Cat 2, but
> the only prize money you collected this year is $300 in cash you had to
> split 4 ways and a 20% discount from your sponsoring shop, then you
> still need to generate a lot more power.
>
> The bottom line is you don't need no power meter.  You'd be better off
> using that money to get some EPO and a little refrigerator you can keep
> it in.  That's gonna give you that extra 15% I think you're looking for.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Magilla
> Gorilla Training Systems - GTS

Finally back to groups. Another emergency at work ...

Good advice, Magilla. I'd produce my cycling federation license but it
got wasted in the wash last week. I was going to be on a tdf squad
this year (I'm prohibited from mentioning which one), but the night
before the prologue the dog ate my chain.

Being 65, not and never a racer, I know I need more watts. I've ridden
for more than 35 years and now, quite unexpectedly, I've been riding
like bananas for the last months. How long this can continue because
of age, work, injury, illness whatever I don't know. But now I want to
train with a program. By intent I did not want to do so when I first
started this recent streak. I have done so previously and, got to
admit, it was very helpful. Difficult since I've grown up in the "no
pain, no gain" school of "want to be in better shape: ride longer
and harder".

So, I was looking for an all in one device: hrm, bike computer with
cadence. Some people I know have garmins, but for this expense I
thought maybe an inexpensive power meter. Thus my question. I really
don't need elevation gain. I think bikemap.net usually does a decent
enough job (though I've written to them about some obvious elevation
gaffs),

I appreciate everyone's replies. As usual, it's been educational.
Maybe I should just go with a separate hrm and then bike computer with
cadence. I need also to have a light (I use planet bike) on my bars,
as I will be caught out in the dark at the end of some of my rides.
Maybe I can squish them in without problem.

But Magilla, I need some help with that epo stuff. I really don't know
too much about it. What street corner should I venture to? I assume
they give senior discounts. Would I have to show an id? They never ask
at the movies.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 7:33 am
From: zencycle


On Sep 7, 6:24 pm, Fred on a stick <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid>
wrote:
>
> The issue isn't how close it is on average to a SRM (or PT or Quarq).
> The issue is "under which conditions isn't it?"

Repeatability is actually more important (remember that repeatability
and accuracy aren't the same thing) . Once you set up a power meter,
you want consistent results for the same 'effort' under the same
conditions. If the meter shows 5% variations from day to day under the
same conditions (weather and terrain), all it will do is confuse you.
It sounds like the ibike will do just that if you don't calibrate it
for each ride - a real PITA.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 7:40 am
From: zencycle


On Sep 6, 7:32 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 6, 10:33 am, Fred on a stick <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid>
> > wrote:
>
> > > All PMs calculate power from data that they measure. The difference is
> > > that the SRM, PT, Quarq, Ergomo, Polar, and now the Look measure force
> > > from a single sensor

the polar actually uses 2 sensors - chain deflection and chain speed.

> the Polar
> measures something that can be used to infer chain
> tension (force).

It senses chain deflection by a magnetic sensor mounted on the drive-
side chain stay and chain speed by a sensor mounted on the lower
jockey wheel. You then have to input the chainstay length, chain
weight, chain length, and rider weight.

> I also agree with the criticisms of the overused
> iSomething prefix

i thought so too.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 9:25 am
From: Fred on a stick


On 9/8/2010 1:34 AM, yirgster wrote:

> So, I was looking for an all in one device: hrm, bike computer with
> cadence. Some people I know have garmins, but for this expense I
> thought maybe an inexpensive power meter.

If you have a reasonably accurate and precise power meter you don't need
HR or cadence.

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TOPIC: MIDGET PORN
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6b21ab805dfdbdac?hl=en
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TOPIC: why are riders under contract allowed to sign with another team
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 3:05 am
From: yirgster


Why are riders under contract allowed to sign with another team?

This is so obviously a conflict of interest situation, especially in a
sport as team oriented as cycling.

There are large fines handed out for tampering with players in the NBA
and NFL. Marc Cuban, owner of the Dallas Mavericks, was recently fined
$100,000 just for saying, before he was a free agent, any team would
like to have Lebron James (wow, who would have thought?) and it might
work on a sign and trade basis for the team. I believe even heavier
fines have been laid on teams found more obviously tampering. In the
one case I know where a team, the Minnesota Timberwolves, made under
the table contractual arrangements against league rules, they were
really socked. In 2000, they were fined $3.5 million and lost their
first round draft choice for 5, right, 5, consecutive years!

In a less draconian case, the San Francisco 49ers were found tampering
in 2008 with a Chicago Bear linebacker and lost a 5th round draft
choice and had to swap 3rd round picks with the Bears.

Why couldn't something similar be done in cycling. All the major races
are sanctioned, no? You tamper you, i.e., the team doing so, is fined
a huge amount. And if your team is in a current tour or race, it is
automatically disqualified. Or if it isn't in a current one then for
the next major races extending into the next season. Or similar. Then
it would stop, no? That is, stop to the same approximate extent it
still occurs in the NBA and NFL.

One of the announcers on the Universal Sports coverage of the vuelta,
said the cycling federation (UCI?) had attempted to legislate that
riders not make public that they had signed with a team while still
riding for another, but that they couldn't enforce it.

This seemed like such a pathetic joke: allow the practice, which is
the problem, but not speaking about it, and penalize the riders.

It would seem to me there's no interest in having and enforcing
policies like the NFL and the NBA. Instead there's a very unseemly
and in my mind, unethical, situation affecting integrity. Why would
the UCI or whoever want to allow this?


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 7:12 am
From: Fred on a stick


On 9/8/2010 3:05 AM, yirgster wrote:
> Why are riders under contract allowed to sign with another team?
>
> This is so obviously a conflict of interest situation, especially in a
> sport as team oriented as cycling.

Dumbass,

This is a feature, not a bug. It's just one in a long list of things
that makes bike racing much, much better than those other sports you
name where only two teams compete at a time. There are twenty team with
different goals. It's n-person game theory with temporary coalitions,
side payments, reneging, bluffs, threats, calls, unenforceable
contracts, payback, prisoner dilemmas -- and to achieve your goal you
nearly always have to collude with riders on another team until the
moment when you pull out the shiv and stick it in their back. Being able
to sign riders on another team is just one more variable to juggle.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 9:18 am
From: yirgster


On Sep 8, 7:12 am, Fred on a stick <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid>
wrote:
> On 9/8/2010 3:05 AM, yirgster wrote:
>
> > Why are riders under contract allowed to sign with another team?
>
> > This is so obviously a conflict of interest situation, especially in a
> > sport as team oriented as cycling.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> This is a feature, not a bug. It's just one in a long list of things
> that makes bike racing much, much better than those other sports you
> name where only two teams compete at a time. There are twenty team with
> different goals. It's n-person game theory with temporary coalitions,
> side payments, reneging, bluffs, threats, calls, unenforceable
> contracts, payback, prisoner dilemmas -- and to achieve your goal you
> nearly always have to collude with riders on another team until the
> moment when you pull out the shiv and stick it in their back. Being able
> to sign riders on another team is just one more variable to juggle.

Come on, it's hardly the same. There's no financial conflict of
interest to help another team to the detriment of yours in your
colluding along the road. How you collude, for example, might be quite
different seeing you've been signed for another team and want your
collusion to help them. (Don't know if you were being serious, but I
gave the serious reply.)


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TOPIC: Nissan Sticking with Armstrong--For Now
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/63a0025ad81e3c84?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 3:49 am
From: BLafferty


On 9/7/2010 5:10 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
> On Sep 7, 12:42 pm, BLafferty<Br...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 9/7/2010 1:30 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 7, 12:00 pm, BLafferty<Br...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> On 9/7/2010 12:23 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Sep 7, 10:29 am, Magilla Gorilla<m.gori...@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:
>>>>>> BLafferty wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/7/2010 9:12 AM, LawBoy01 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sep 6, 11:18 pm, "Father Karma"<godjesusbud...@hellfire.fr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> LawBoy01<phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 6, 8:38=A0pm, BLafferty<Br...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2010 8:22 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you get run over by a Nissan Leaf,
>>>>>>>>>>>> then backed over, then run over again.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Such a terrible thing to say. Bite your tongue
>>>>>>>>>>> lest it happen to you.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brian, you are the king of terrible things to say.
>>>>>>>>>> You just think that they're justified. I don't
>>>>>>>>>> actually wish you harm, just think that it will
>>>>>>>>>> find it's way to you one of these days.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Philip,
>>>>>>>>> It's nice to have you here in rbr as an arbiter of
>>>>>>>>> what is and is not a terrible thing to say. I'd like
>>>>>>>>> to thank you. And if anyone wishes to send you a
>>>>>>>>> Hallmark card let me cut out the middleman:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Philip W. Moore, Jr.
>>>>>>>>> 6101 Sumter Court
>>>>>>>>> Frisco, Texas 75035(469) 323-0832begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (469) 323-0832 end_of_the_skype_highlightingbegin_of_the_skype_highlighting (469) 323-0832begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (469) 323-0832 end_of_the_skype_highlighting end_of_the_skype_highlightingbegin_of_the_skype_highlighting (469) 323-0832begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (469) 323-0832 end_of_the_skype_highlightingbegin_of_the_skype_highlighting (469) 323-0832 end_of_the_skype_highlighting end_of_the_skype_highlightingbegin_of_the_skype_highlighting (469) 323-0832begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (469) 323-0832 end_of_the_skype_highlighting end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>>>>>>>> philipATpwm-law.com
>>
>>>>>>>>> Stay Kind,
>>>>>>>>> Father Karma
>>
>>>>>>>> Father Karma,
>>
>>>>>>>> I don't believe in Karma.
>>
>>>>>>>> P.S. The routing number on the zip code is 7996.
>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>
>>>>>>>> Philip
>>
>>>>>>> How do you think you wound up in Texas instead of London, Paris,
>>>>>>> Vancouver or Montreal?
>>
>>>>>> In Texas, he can still get cases of parents who want to take their kid's high school to court to force them to teach creationism,
>>>>>> since evolution "is just a theory."
>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>
>>>>>> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>> If man came from monkeys, and you're still on RBR, how can evolution
>>>>> be true?
>>
>>>> Because monkeys are different from Gorillas, Fuckwit.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> Brian,
>>
>>> To clarify my comment earlier, I hope the Nissan Leaf incident happens
>>> while you are playing chess.
>>
>>> -Philip
>>
>> Not going to happen, Fucktard. I don't play chess in the street of
>> driveway.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> The car could come through your home. I'm being imaginative.

Life is quite limited for you.


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 5:07 am
From: "H. Fred Kveck"


In article <ifudnTuxQoi99xrRnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
BLafferty <Brian@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Life is quite limited for you.

Oh, the irony...


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 5:42 am
From: LawBoy01


On Sep 8, 5:49 am, BLafferty <Br...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 9/7/2010 5:10 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 12:42 pm, BLafferty<Br...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> >> On 9/7/2010 1:30 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
>
> >>> On Sep 7, 12:00 pm, BLafferty<Br...@nowhere.com>    wrote:
> >>>> On 9/7/2010 12:23 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Sep 7, 10:29 am, Magilla Gorilla<m.gori...@sandiegozoo.org>      wrote:
> >>>>>> BLafferty wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 9/7/2010 9:12 AM, LawBoy01 wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sep 6, 11:18 pm, "Father Karma"<godjesusbud...@hellfire.fr>        wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> LawBoy01<phi...@pwm-law.com>        wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 6, 8:38=A0pm, BLafferty<Br...@nowhere.com>        wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2010 8:22 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you get run over by a Nissan Leaf,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> then backed over, then run over again.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Such a terrible thing to say. Bite your tongue
> >>>>>>>>>>> lest it happen to you.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Brian, you are the king of terrible things to say.
> >>>>>>>>>> You just think that they're justified.  I don't
> >>>>>>>>>> actually wish you harm, just think that it will
> >>>>>>>>>> find it's way to you one of these days.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Philip,
> >>>>>>>>> It's nice to have you here in rbr as an arbiter of
> >>>>>>>>> what is and is not a terrible thing to say. I'd like
> >>>>>>>>> to thank you. And if anyone wishes to send you a
> >>>>>>>>> Hallmark card let me cut out the middleman:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Philip W. Moore, Jr.
> >>>>>>>>> 6101 Sumter Court
> >>>>>>>>> Frisco, Texas 75035(469) 323-0832begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (469) 323-0832      end_of_the_skype_highlightingbegin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (469) 323-0832begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (469) 323-0832      end_of_the_skype_highlighting     end_of_the_skype_highlightingbegin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (469) 323-0832begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (469) 323-0832      end_of_the_skype_highlightingbegin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (469) 323-0832begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (469) 323-0832      end_of_the_skype_highlighting     end_of_the_skype_highlighting     end_of_the_skype_highlightingbegin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (469) 323-0832begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (469) 323-0832      end_of_the_skype_highlightingbegin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (469) 323-0832      end_of_the_skype_highlightingbegin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (469) 323-0832      end_of_the_skype_highlighting     end_of_the_skype_highlightingbegin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (469) 323-0832begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (469) 323-0832      end_of_the_skype_highlighting     end_of_the_skype_highlighting
> >>>>>>>>> philipATpwm-law.com
>
> >>>>>>>>> Stay Kind,
> >>>>>>>>> Father Karma
>
> >>>>>>>> Father Karma,
>
> >>>>>>>> I don't believe in Karma.
>
> >>>>>>>> P.S.  The routing number on the zip code is 7996.
>
> >>>>>>>> Regards,
>
> >>>>>>>> Philip
>
> >>>>>>> How do you think you wound up in Texas instead of London, Paris,
> >>>>>>> Vancouver or Montreal?
>
> >>>>>> In Texas, he can still get cases of parents who want to take their kid's high school to court to force them to teach creationism,
> >>>>>> since evolution "is just a theory."
>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
>
> >>>>>> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>>>> If man came from monkeys, and you're still on RBR, how can evolution
> >>>>> be true?
>
> >>>> Because monkeys are different from Gorillas, Fuckwit.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>> Brian,
>
> >>> To clarify my comment earlier, I hope the Nissan Leaf incident happens
> >>> while you are playing chess.
>
> >>> -Philip
>
> >> Not going to happen, Fucktard.  I don't play chess in the street of
> >> driveway.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > The car could come through your home.  I'm being imaginative.
>
> Life is quite limited for you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You've got to be fucking kidding me! How can Mr. Hardon For Lance
Armstrong tell me that my life is limited?


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 6:17 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 9/8/2010 5:49 AM, BLafferty wrote:

> Life is quite limited for you.

Dumbass,

Irony just whopped you a good one upside the head.
Did you notice?

Fred Flintstein


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 6:32 am
From: RicodJour


On Sep 8, 6:49 am, BLafferty <Br...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 9/7/2010 5:10 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
>
> > The car could come through your home.  I'm being imaginative.
>
> Life is quite limited for you.

The frequency of a successful synaptic connection is quite limited for
you.

R


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 8:14 am
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Fred Flintstein" <bob.schwartz@sbcremoveglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Q7adnWe39tNFEhvRnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 9/7/2010 12:30 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
>> To clarify my comment earlier, I hope the Nissan Leaf incident
>> happens
>> while you are playing chess.
>
> Against Andre Jute.
>
> Fred Flintstein

With or without?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 8:30 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


BLafferty wrote:
>> Life is quite limited for you.

Fred Flintstein wrote:
> Irony just whopped you a good one upside the head.
> Did you notice?

Irony is a ghost.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Schleck, O'Grady dropped by Riis for use of banned substance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/caf04674f853e20a?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 4:05 am
From: Amit Ghosh


On Sep 7, 7:34 pm, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 7, 11:00 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > True, but you know the rest of the story.
>
> > DR
>
> and deny all those theories most of you here argued for how floyds
> positive came from a reduction of his testosterone level caused by
> drinking ?

dumbass,

no one here ever argued that.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 9:01 am
From: Brad Anders


On Sep 8, 4:05 am, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 7, 7:34 pm, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 7, 11:00 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > True, but you know the rest of the story.
>
> > > DR
>
> > and deny all those theories most of you here argued for how floyds
> > positive came from a reduction of his testosterone level caused by
> > drinking ?
>
> dumbass,
>
> no one here ever argued that.

Agree. I always thought that Fraud screwed up his T-patch dosage
because of dehydration on the previous stage, exceeding the 4:1 ratio
and triggering the exogenous T test that led to his positive. I also
thought that if the exogenous T test had been administered to the top
20 on GC who were below 4:1, nearly all of them would have tested
positive. Fraud is just the one who got caught because he fucked up.
Oh, and I also thought that despite being positive, Fraud should have
gotten off because of the lack of due process by WADA, and prejudicial
comments made by Dickhead Pounder, before all the test results were
in.

Brad Anders

==============================================================================
TOPIC: VOYEUR PICS
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/61dad37c5f8b1094?hl=en
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TOPIC: In a Muslim Country - Andre Jute would stone women
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/45b175d2fcae8084?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 8:24 am
From: zencycle


On Sep 5, 2:31 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Thank the Lord I chose private industry!
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Why don't you go on beliefnet and debate the atheists?  RBR is no
> place to post about cunts like Jesus.

Try AvC

http://groups.google.com/group/atheism-vs-christianity

Much more fun, and you both might learn something.

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TOPIC: Michael Ball
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/83bba9cc0a650c58?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 8 2010 9:25 am
From: Brad Anders


Saw this today, though I'm sure that BL, Anton, and Magilla have been
over it here before:

http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2010/09/inside_the_talk_of_a_lanc.php

Details on the marriage fraud case:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/celebrity.news.gossip/08/26/actress.sham.marriage.trial/?hpt=T2

By the time this is all over, it may be even weirder than the BALCO
case.

Brad Anders


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