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* Vikings close to signing Randy Moss - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d032fa9f68cb666d?hl=en
* soccer jerseys china wholesale.(http://www.cntrade09.com/ ) - 1 messages, 1
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* Mayock on Jets offense - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Interesting tidbit... - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Get ready for an ass whippin - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/7f83359981437018?hl=en
* Interesting Take on Moss at the JetsBlog.com - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Jenkins actually wants to come back... - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* Bet the NFL. Here's a sign up bonus. - 1 messages, 1 author
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* LaDainian New & Improved Thomas Jones - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Holy S*@t: Still Can't Believe We Have Santonio - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/be639e7c616b4cb0?hl=en
* offense, offense, offense ??? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* We've all been there - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4d7f6c1549ba8d1d?hl=en
* Santonio Holmes... a genius? - 3 messages, 3 authors
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TOPIC: Vikings close to signing Randy Moss
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d032fa9f68cb666d?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 9:11 pm
From: Copp


Understand the difference between forcing the ball and giving the ball?
Forcing means trying to throw to a covered receiver. Passing the
ball and making completions to Welker is not forcing the ball
and has nothing to do with Moss.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 4:34 am
From: finsfan


On 07/10/2010 10:21 PM, MZ wrote:
> On 10/7/2010 9:53 PM, finsfan wrote:
>> On 07/10/2010 3:07 PM, MZ wrote:
>>> Well, so much for the theory that he was a problem in the locker room.
>>>
>>> Wilfork: "We never had problems with Randy. Our locker room is our
>>> locker room. We never had an issue. I can't remember an issue we had.
>>> That was business. It's all business. It happens. You have to move
>>> forward from it. That's something we'll do around here."
>>>
>>> This move makes very little sense. The only theory that seems plausible
>>> at this point is John's. $$$
>>
>>
>> That's BS. You expect Wilfork to SAY Randy was a problem? Nope, not
>> gonna happen and it shouldn't happen- period. Randy was not getting an
>> extension, Randy was not happy, Randy served his NE purpose. Bu-bye.
>> BTW looking forward to Monday night- Revis-Moss-Cromartie. All fun to
>> watch. 8))
>
> No, I don't expect anyone to say he was a problem. But the opposite
> viewpoint was shared by many of his teammates, including Wilfork, and
> they were overwhelmingly pro-Randy.
>
> Does this really sound like someone who the players felt was a nuisance?
>
> Welker:
>
> "I think we were somewhat surprised," Welker said. "Obviously, Randy is
> a great player and a great talent. In the end, Coach is going to do
> what's best for the team. This is what he thought was best for the team
> and we fully support that."
>
> Asked about losing a presence like Moss in the locker room, Welker said,
> "I think Randy brought a lot to this team and did a lot of great things.
> He really brought this organization to a great standard. We hope to keep
> that standard around here."
>
> Welker was asked about reports that Moss had wanted out, asking to be
> traded.
>
> "I think that was kind of the difficult thing, just because he was the
> guy giving the pep talks before games and halftime, and after the game,"
> Welker said. "Not knowing he wanted to be traded the whole time was a
> little bit disappointing. At the same time, he's doing what's best for
> him. It's a business. You just have to roll with it."
>
> ---
>
> Banta-Cain:
>
> "We understand the business. We understand his situation. He's moving
> on, we move on," Banta-Cain said.
>
> "We all personally love him, love him to death. A business decision had
> to be made and we have no control. We just move on and go about our
> business."
>
> ---
>
> Crumpler:
>
> "You still have to show up to work and come in and be a professional,"
> he said. "A guy like myself [tries to] keep the guys in the locker room
> together, so we go out there and continue to play. We still have 12
> games to play. It's important for us to go out as a team and make things
> happen.
>
> "We all, in this locker room, love Randy," he continued. "He's a Hall of
> Fame player. I probably haven't played with two or three Hall of Fame
> players in my career," he said. "I studied him, I watched him, I learned
> a lot from him. Like coach said 'I wish him well, we all wish him well,
> except for when they come in here.'"
>
> ---
>
> Brady:
>
> "Randy really knows how I feel about him," said Brady. "I love him, as a
> guy, as a person, as a player. He did a lot of great things for this
> team. At the same time I think coach Belichick feels that's what he
> thinks he needs to do for the team.
>
> "We as players, we deal with it and we move on. I think I've been around
> long enough to realize nothing really surprises me and the best thing
> that I can do is be the best quarterback that I can be for the team."
>
> ---
>
> Wilfork:
>
> "It's a business. That's how you have to look at it. I mean, I was very
> fortunate to play with a guy like Randy and have a chance to know him as
> a person, not just an athlete. Great person, great athlete, but probably
> one of the greatest guys you'll ever meet. The game. His personality.
> How he approaches the game. Business. It's a classic case of business.
> It happens all the time," he said in hushed tones at his locker.
>
> "We're going to keep rolling. I'm pretty sure Randy is going to do what
> he has to do in Minnesota. One thing is for sure – we're friends
> forever. So I'll talk to him, he'll talk to me. Just because we're on
> the other side doesn't mean a thing. I want to beat him when we face
> him. I do want to beat him. From a personal standpoint, good guy. That's
> business."
>
> Asked if he's disappointed that Moss is no longer on the team, Wilfork
> responded "of course."
>
> "Any time you lose someone that you're close to and you've been playing
> with for a while [who] taught you a lot and actually seen a guy like
> that work on the practice field, and seen him put up a record in the NFL
> ... Those are memories. He has a place in Florida. I have a place in
> Florida. I'm pretty sure we'll hook up at the end of the season and fish
> and golf like we always do."
>
> Asked about any issues with Moss in the locker room, Wilfork said: "We
> never had problems with Randy. Our locker room is our locker room. We
> never had an issue. I can't remember an issue we had. That was business.
> It's all business. It happens. You have to move forward from it. That's
> something we'll do around here."

I think Randy deserves all that is said and more. He seemed to be a
good team mate this time around and no drama. But it was reported, by
PFT, he had a heated exchange with the QB coach (who calls the O plays)
at halftime and that was it. NE now has double picks in the first four
rounds. Since this our Thanksgiving weekend it's too bad the
Jets/Vikings game is not on Sunday night. Game of the week for me.
You, too, I'm sure. Enjoy.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 7:26 am
From: MZ


On 10/8/2010 7:34 AM, finsfan wrote:
> On 07/10/2010 10:21 PM, MZ wrote:
>> On 10/7/2010 9:53 PM, finsfan wrote:
>>> On 07/10/2010 3:07 PM, MZ wrote:
>>>> Well, so much for the theory that he was a problem in the locker room.
>>>>
>>>> Wilfork: "We never had problems with Randy. Our locker room is our
>>>> locker room. We never had an issue. I can't remember an issue we had.
>>>> That was business. It's all business. It happens. You have to move
>>>> forward from it. That's something we'll do around here."
>>>>
>>>> This move makes very little sense. The only theory that seems plausible
>>>> at this point is John's. $$$
>>>
>>>
>>> That's BS. You expect Wilfork to SAY Randy was a problem? Nope, not
>>> gonna happen and it shouldn't happen- period. Randy was not getting an
>>> extension, Randy was not happy, Randy served his NE purpose. Bu-bye.
>>> BTW looking forward to Monday night- Revis-Moss-Cromartie. All fun to
>>> watch. 8))
>>
>> No, I don't expect anyone to say he was a problem. But the opposite
>> viewpoint was shared by many of his teammates, including Wilfork, and
>> they were overwhelmingly pro-Randy.
>>
>> Does this really sound like someone who the players felt was a nuisance?
>>
>> Welker:
>>
>> "I think we were somewhat surprised," Welker said. "Obviously, Randy is
>> a great player and a great talent. In the end, Coach is going to do
>> what's best for the team. This is what he thought was best for the team
>> and we fully support that."
>>
>> Asked about losing a presence like Moss in the locker room, Welker said,
>> "I think Randy brought a lot to this team and did a lot of great things.
>> He really brought this organization to a great standard. We hope to keep
>> that standard around here."
>>
>> Welker was asked about reports that Moss had wanted out, asking to be
>> traded.
>>
>> "I think that was kind of the difficult thing, just because he was the
>> guy giving the pep talks before games and halftime, and after the game,"
>> Welker said. "Not knowing he wanted to be traded the whole time was a
>> little bit disappointing. At the same time, he's doing what's best for
>> him. It's a business. You just have to roll with it."
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Banta-Cain:
>>
>> "We understand the business. We understand his situation. He's moving
>> on, we move on," Banta-Cain said.
>>
>> "We all personally love him, love him to death. A business decision had
>> to be made and we have no control. We just move on and go about our
>> business."
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Crumpler:
>>
>> "You still have to show up to work and come in and be a professional,"
>> he said. "A guy like myself [tries to] keep the guys in the locker room
>> together, so we go out there and continue to play. We still have 12
>> games to play. It's important for us to go out as a team and make things
>> happen.
>>
>> "We all, in this locker room, love Randy," he continued. "He's a Hall of
>> Fame player. I probably haven't played with two or three Hall of Fame
>> players in my career," he said. "I studied him, I watched him, I learned
>> a lot from him. Like coach said 'I wish him well, we all wish him well,
>> except for when they come in here.'"
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Brady:
>>
>> "Randy really knows how I feel about him," said Brady. "I love him, as a
>> guy, as a person, as a player. He did a lot of great things for this
>> team. At the same time I think coach Belichick feels that's what he
>> thinks he needs to do for the team.
>>
>> "We as players, we deal with it and we move on. I think I've been around
>> long enough to realize nothing really surprises me and the best thing
>> that I can do is be the best quarterback that I can be for the team."
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Wilfork:
>>
>> "It's a business. That's how you have to look at it. I mean, I was very
>> fortunate to play with a guy like Randy and have a chance to know him as
>> a person, not just an athlete. Great person, great athlete, but probably
>> one of the greatest guys you'll ever meet. The game. His personality.
>> How he approaches the game. Business. It's a classic case of business.
>> It happens all the time," he said in hushed tones at his locker.
>>
>> "We're going to keep rolling. I'm pretty sure Randy is going to do what
>> he has to do in Minnesota. One thing is for sure – we're friends
>> forever. So I'll talk to him, he'll talk to me. Just because we're on
>> the other side doesn't mean a thing. I want to beat him when we face
>> him. I do want to beat him. From a personal standpoint, good guy. That's
>> business."
>>
>> Asked if he's disappointed that Moss is no longer on the team, Wilfork
>> responded "of course."
>>
>> "Any time you lose someone that you're close to and you've been playing
>> with for a while [who] taught you a lot and actually seen a guy like
>> that work on the practice field, and seen him put up a record in the NFL
>> ... Those are memories. He has a place in Florida. I have a place in
>> Florida. I'm pretty sure we'll hook up at the end of the season and fish
>> and golf like we always do."
>>
>> Asked about any issues with Moss in the locker room, Wilfork said: "We
>> never had problems with Randy. Our locker room is our locker room. We
>> never had an issue. I can't remember an issue we had. That was business.
>> It's all business. It happens. You have to move forward from it. That's
>> something we'll do around here."
>
> I think Randy deserves all that is said and more. He seemed to be a good
> team mate this time around and no drama. But it was reported, by PFT, he
> had a heated exchange with the QB coach (who calls the O plays) at
> halftime and that was it. NE now has double picks in the first four
> rounds. Since this our Thanksgiving weekend it's too bad the
> Jets/Vikings game is not on Sunday night. Game of the week for me. You,
> too, I'm sure. Enjoy.

Yeah, I read the report, and Belichick denied it vehemently.


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 7:30 am
From: MZ


On 10/8/2010 12:11 AM, Copp wrote:
> Understand the difference between forcing the ball and giving the ball?
> Forcing means trying to throw to a covered receiver. Passing the
> ball and making completions to Welker is not forcing the ball
> and has nothing to do with Moss.
>

It's really amazing how many more touchdowns they scored "forcing the ball".


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 12:13 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Copp" <cr79879@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4285a700a1d70b53577939a5d81b53c0@rip.ax.lt...
> Understand the difference between forcing the ball and giving the ball?
> Forcing means trying to throw to a covered receiver. Passing the
> ball and making completions to Welker is not forcing the ball
> and has nothing to do with Moss.


Understand football? If you wait for all uncovered receivers you will do
one thing....LOSE. A good QB and receiver tandem is the one where forcing
it works.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 1:20 pm
From: John C TX


On Oct 7, 2:07 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Well, so much for the theory that he was a problem in the locker room.
>
> Wilfork: "We never had problems with Randy. Our locker room is our
> locker room. We never had an issue. I can't remember an issue we had.
> That was business. It's all business. It happens. You have to move
> forward from it. That's something we'll do around here."
>
> This move makes very little sense.  The only theory that seems plausible
> at this point is John's.  $$$

like a broken clock....

:)

I was talking w/ a buddy who is a Pats fan and I really wonder is BB
such a freak that he loves these challenges?

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TOPIC: Mayock on Jets offense
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 7:47 pm
From: Tutor


http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-jets/09000d5d81b17d39/Playbook-Jets-powerful-offense

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TOPIC: Interesting tidbit...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 7:54 am
From: John C TX


On Oct 6, 12:31 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 06:17:04 -0700 (PDT), John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Oct 6, 12:11 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:19:10 -0700 (PDT), John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >On Oct 5, 7:51 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:26:11 -0400, "yoyodog" <NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >"buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:3lkka6dmouq9oto8k75evdlf8tsegv2bll@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> From Lisa Zimmerman...
>
> >> >> >> "Speaking of offensive players playing defense, Ryan seems pretty high on
> >> >> >> Joe McKnight's
> >> >> >> skills at cornerback. McKnight saw his first action last night after being
> >> >> >> inactive for
> >> >> >> the first three games. He held onto the football,which was the main goal.
> >> >> >> However, he's
> >> >> >> been playing corner on the scout team in practice and has gotten the
> >> >> >> attention of Ryan and
> >> >> >> defensive backs coach Dennis Thurman."
>
> >> >> >> McKnight Island??
>
> >> >> >If Cromartie can become a stable cover corner opposite Revis we'd have Revis
> >> >> >Island and the Cro's nest  :-)
>
> >> >> Cromartie's been playing better than I expected, but once Revis comes back & gets into
> >> >> game shape, that's when he'll be tested.
>
> >> >buRf this isn't shot at you but game shape is BS and drives me crazy.
> >> >He showed up unfit.  Most of these guys are less fit in week 16 than
> >> >they are in week 2.
>
> >> Have you ever played?
> >> I did, whether football or basketball... obviously, far from a pro-level.
> >> Even a pick-up game of basketball, after not playing in the winter, but being in great
> >> shape... my bod needed a couple of weeks to really acclimate.
> >> Revis wasn't unfit... McKnight was.
> >> No matter how well-conditioned you are, nothing compares to actual competition.  You can
> >> try preparing for Moss accelerating by you, but it aint the same as the real thing, under
> >> pressure, when you really stress your bod.  No matter how fit you are, nothing prepares
> >> you for another guy hitting you, or defending you on the bball court.
> >> As for week 16, the players are just bruised & battle weary, not less fit.
> >> Even preparation for a marathon.  You can do all the work, but ya never know how your bod
> >> is going to respond to the competition. Somebody competing against you, taxes the bod...
> >> it's something ya just can't simulate in practice/the gym.
> >> So, maybe *game shape* is the wrong words... maybe better said as competitive shape.
>
> >> I actually think Revis' first game back, he should be playing the #2 or the slot.  Let him
> >> work into shape.  I'm really concerned he'll tweak his hammy again, because he hasn't
> >> really played since the Championship game.
>
> >Like I responded to Ritchie we are talking about semantics.  If he
> >couldn't sprint down the field in the 2Q w/o pulling his hammie then I
> >wold have to argue he was unfit.
>
> It's not about sprinting down the field, it's about a challenge to your body that can't be
> replicated in training.  Maybe this analogy can help ya... I'm not a big guy, but I was
> decently strong for my size.  I could do so much in the gym.
> I had a flat tire once.  It was up on the jack, when an 18-wheeler blew by, and the car
> shimmied a bit, and the jack got displaced.  I was terrified... I basically held the car
> up and kicked the jack back into position.  If I hadn't the car would've fallen down.
> No amount of fitness can replicate that.  It's the same for an athlete when challenged.
> The adrenalin kicks in during competition, and the bod responds. The challenge during
> training is totally different.

The adrenaline in the 2Q?

buRf, you are in Dark Ages when it comes to training. A good trainer
can replicate it as can a good program if the athlete or person is
motivated-- I am not one of those freaks. Like I have said previously
we are not talking about football skills but fitness. You absolutely
can replicate and I would bet for the sport of American football
surpass the intensity of a game. It is being done in similar sports
and even in football today. I posted something yesterday about Jerry
Rice who was doing it 20 years ago. In a high intensity program that
focuses on not only the physical hurdles but mental.

Most commentators use that term & I still insist it is total BS. Like
I wrote players talk about game shape because it is less taxing
mentally because it is fun & training hard is a mind f@@@. A
starting defensive player plays 55 downs a game so maybe 6 minutes of
running spread over three hours and you can't replicate that. Sorry
you can & it is done regularly.

http://www.crossfitfootball.com/

>
> >As for competition maybe for long distance running but hoop & football
> >-- a little harder because of talent disparities-- can be replicated &
> >actually derive more value from repetition in practice.  Revis may
> >have been limited in some of what he could do but he certainly could
> >replicate the movements and actually surpass the intensity.
>
> Not possible.


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TOPIC: Get ready for an ass whippin
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 10:29 am
From: Dano58


On Oct 7, 6:11 pm, "Ron" <ron...@yahoooooo.us> wrote:
> The great Brett Favre is coming to town.

You are right, Brett IS going to get his ass whipped.

Dan D
Central NJ USA


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 7:13 am
From: John C TX


On Oct 7, 5:26 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:11:36 -0500, "Ron" <ron...@yahoooooo.us> wrote:
> >The great Brett Favre is coming to town.
>
> Klaatu barada nikto!!

God Bless you.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 12:11 pm
From: "Ron"

"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
news:71isa61gc0j97o4p93psi3g765ha6vdrk1@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:11:36 -0500, "Ron" <ronzzz@yahoooooo.us> wrote:
>
>>The great Brett Favre is coming to town.
>>
>
>
> Klaatu barada nikto!!

Even Gort can't save the jets, shitforbrains.

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TOPIC: Interesting Take on Moss at the JetsBlog.com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 10:52 am
From: JetsLife


On Oct 6, 11:55 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> On 10/6/2010 11:44 PM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I don't know if these stats are true or false. If true, it is one of
> > those compelling arguments and would not bode well for the Pats unless
> > their D is transformed before the end of this season to the quality of
> > its early SB teams.
>
> > I apologize to MegaTell for taking this out of context so his first
> > comments may not seem to make sense.
>
> > As for his conclusion, as a Jets fan, I hope he be right.
>
> > h
>
> > MegaTell
> > OCT 06, 2010, 1:15 PM AT 1:15 PM #
>
> > Horrible Misleading analysis. Here is a better one:
>
> > The Pats defense is not what it once was. We all forget that there never
> > was an argument
>
> > Daunte Culpepper (stats with Randy Moss)
> > QB Rtg: 92.8
> > TD: 129
> > INT: 74
> > (stats without Randy Moss)
> > QB Rtg: 71.1
> > TD: 20
> > INT: 32
>
> > Tom Brady (stats with Randy Moss)
> > TD: 78
> > INT: 21
> > QB Rtg: 106.7
> > (stats without Randy Moss)
> > QB Rtg: 88.4
> > TD: 147
> > INT: 78
>
> > An old Randall Cunningham [HL, I assume with Moss]
> > 3,704 Yds
> > 34 TDs (career high by 10),
> > 106.0 QB Rtg (career high by 15),
> > 8.0 TD percentage (career high by 2.3 percent)
>
> > People buy into hype and forget Tom Brady was a solid way above average
> > game manager who can bring a team back if he had to. Randy Moss made him
> > Peyton Manning. Randy Moss made Donte Culpepper and Eddie George NFL MVP
> > candidates.
> > He also made Welker open underneath but no more. The party s over. The
> > Pats are dead.
>
> I made pretty much the same post in the Pats group.  :)  Nevermind QB
> ratings.  Just count up the points and compare.  2007 & 2009 were the
> highest scoring years in Belichick's tenure (2008 not included because
> of Brady's injury, but the Cassel-led team still scored a lot).
>
> This could be due to either Moss or Welker.  Most likely, it was due to
> having the combination of Moss and Welker.  Moss would not be nearly as
> effective without Welker (and wasn't, as we saw in last year's playoff
> game), and I think we'll soon see that Welker will not be nearly as
> effective without Moss.
>
> Same conclusion though.  The party's over.  The Pats are dead.

O ye of little faith. Last I checked you still have a damn good team,
a HOF QB and head coach, albeit a confirmed cheater. Further I don't
think Moss is the WR he once was. Obviously the attention he still
commands does wonders for an offense, but I wouldn't be so quick to
pronounce your team dead. You can bet the Pats want to show all the
nattering nabobs of Moss-less negativity they can still compete at a
high level.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 5:43 am
From: CaptMyng


On Oct 7, 10:25 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> More power to him... love the guy & wish him one full year on the field.
> He actually didn't use a knee brace, no wonder he reinjured it so quickly.
> Amazing how the ego dumbs down, an intelligent guy like Jenkins... like all of us ;)
>
> October 7, 2010, 9:55 pm
> Jets' Jenkins Will Try to Return From Third A.C.L. Tear
> By GREG BISHOP
>
> FLORHAM PARK, N.J. --  I've been meeting once a week with Kris Jenkins since he tore his
> anterior cruciate ligament for a third time, against Baltimore in Week 1. On Thursday,
> inside an interview room at the Jets' facility, Jenkins ate chicken wings and smiled, as
> he announced, "I've made a decision. I'm coming back. I have to. You know why? It's my
> choice. I choose to. I don't need any more money. I don't need anyone's approval. I still
> want to leave my mark."
>
> Jenkins underwent his fourth major surgery last week. It marked the third time he had an
> anterior cruciate ligament repaired, and the second time in 11 months he had his left
> A.C.L. repaired.
>
> But in the latest operation, a couple of things lifted Jenkins's spirits. The first was
> that doctors discovered less meniscus damage than they originally expected. The second was
> that instead of using a part of his hamstring, like in previous surgeries, they used the
> patella tendon in his left knee.
>
> On Thursday, Jenkins said the knee felt stronger at this point than last time. He also
> said that he will wear a brace this time, which strangely - because of stubbornness, he
> said - he refused to do after last season's knee injury.
>
> Jenkins seemed energized by the prospect of returning, although he acknowledged that he
> expected plenty of doubts.
>
> The question of where he would play next season remains uncertain. His salary cap number
> for the Jets (about $4.9 million) could be prohibitive, but he also could restructure his
> deal. If not, Jenkins said he would attempt a comeback elsewhere.
>
> "I'm in uncharted waters," he said. "But I'm at the point where I don't care what anybody
> thinks."

Jenks is a great guy but...
He's done, he can't stay healthy and the Jet's need to look at
replacing him.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 8:12 am
From: John C TX


On Oct 7, 10:25 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> More power to him... love the guy & wish him one full year on the field.
> He actually didn't use a knee brace, no wonder he reinjured it so quickly.
> Amazing how the ego dumbs down, an intelligent guy like Jenkins... like all of us ;)
>
> October 7, 2010, 9:55 pm
> Jets' Jenkins Will Try to Return From Third A.C.L. Tear
> By GREG BISHOP
>
> FLORHAM PARK, N.J. --  I've been meeting once a week with Kris Jenkins since he tore his
> anterior cruciate ligament for a third time, against Baltimore in Week 1. On Thursday,
> inside an interview room at the Jets' facility, Jenkins ate chicken wings and smiled, as
> he announced, "I've made a decision. I'm coming back. I have to. You know why? It's my
> choice. I choose to. I don't need any more money. I don't need anyone's approval. I still
> want to leave my mark."
>
> Jenkins underwent his fourth major surgery last week. It marked the third time he had an
> anterior cruciate ligament repaired, and the second time in 11 months he had his left
> A.C.L. repaired.
>
> But in the latest operation, a couple of things lifted Jenkins's spirits. The first was
> that doctors discovered less meniscus damage than they originally expected. The second was
> that instead of using a part of his hamstring, like in previous surgeries, they used the
> patella tendon in his left knee.
>
> On Thursday, Jenkins said the knee felt stronger at this point than last time. He also
> said that he will wear a brace this time, which strangely - because of stubbornness, he
> said - he refused to do after last season's knee injury.

There is research supporting both sides of this argument but I have to
believe it helps lineman.

>
> Jenkins seemed energized by the prospect of returning, although he acknowledged that he
> expected plenty of doubts.
>
> The question of where he would play next season remains uncertain. His salary cap number
> for the Jets (about $4.9 million) could be prohibitive, but he also could restructure his
> deal. If not, Jenkins said he would attempt a comeback elsewhere.
>
> "I'm in uncharted waters," he said. "But I'm at the point where I don't care what anybody
> thinks."

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 12:13 pm
From: MZ


On 10/8/2010 8:43 AM, CaptMyng wrote:
> On Oct 7, 10:25 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> More power to him... love the guy& wish him one full year on the field.
>> He actually didn't use a knee brace, no wonder he reinjured it so quickly.
>> Amazing how the ego dumbs down, an intelligent guy like Jenkins... like all of us ;)
>>
>> October 7, 2010, 9:55 pm
>> Jets' Jenkins Will Try to Return From Third A.C.L. Tear
>> By GREG BISHOP
>>
>> FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- I've been meeting once a week with Kris Jenkins since he tore his
>> anterior cruciate ligament for a third time, against Baltimore in Week 1. On Thursday,
>> inside an interview room at the Jets' facility, Jenkins ate chicken wings and smiled, as
>> he announced, "I've made a decision. I'm coming back. I have to. You know why? It's my
>> choice. I choose to. I don't need any more money. I don't need anyone's approval. I still
>> want to leave my mark."
>>
>> Jenkins underwent his fourth major surgery last week. It marked the third time he had an
>> anterior cruciate ligament repaired, and the second time in 11 months he had his left
>> A.C.L. repaired.
>>
>> But in the latest operation, a couple of things lifted Jenkins's spirits. The first was
>> that doctors discovered less meniscus damage than they originally expected. The second was
>> that instead of using a part of his hamstring, like in previous surgeries, they used the
>> patella tendon in his left knee.
>>
>> On Thursday, Jenkins said the knee felt stronger at this point than last time. He also
>> said that he will wear a brace this time, which strangely - because of stubbornness, he
>> said - he refused to do after last season's knee injury.
>>
>> Jenkins seemed energized by the prospect of returning, although he acknowledged that he
>> expected plenty of doubts.
>>
>> The question of where he would play next season remains uncertain. His salary cap number
>> for the Jets (about $4.9 million) could be prohibitive, but he also could restructure his
>> deal. If not, Jenkins said he would attempt a comeback elsewhere.
>>
>> "I'm in uncharted waters," he said. "But I'm at the point where I don't care what anybody
>> thinks."
>
> Jenks is a great guy but...
> He's done, he can't stay healthy and the Jet's need to look at
> replacing him.

At his price tag, yeah. We'll see how serious he is about coming back
if he accepts a major pay cut.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 12:46 pm
From: John C TX


On Oct 8, 2:13 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> On 10/8/2010 8:43 AM, CaptMyng wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 10:25 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com>  wrote:
> >> More power to him... love the guy&  wish him one full year on the field.
> >> He actually didn't use a knee brace, no wonder he reinjured it so quickly.
> >> Amazing how the ego dumbs down, an intelligent guy like Jenkins... like all of us ;)
>
> >> October 7, 2010, 9:55 pm
> >> Jets' Jenkins Will Try to Return From Third A.C.L. Tear
> >> By GREG BISHOP
>
> >> FLORHAM PARK, N.J. --  I've been meeting once a week with Kris Jenkins since he tore his
> >> anterior cruciate ligament for a third time, against Baltimore in Week 1. On Thursday,
> >> inside an interview room at the Jets' facility, Jenkins ate chicken wings and smiled, as
> >> he announced, "I've made a decision. I'm coming back. I have to. You know why? It's my
> >> choice. I choose to. I don't need any more money. I don't need anyone's approval. I still
> >> want to leave my mark."
>
> >> Jenkins underwent his fourth major surgery last week. It marked the third time he had an
> >> anterior cruciate ligament repaired, and the second time in 11 months he had his left
> >> A.C.L. repaired.
>
> >> But in the latest operation, a couple of things lifted Jenkins's spirits. The first was
> >> that doctors discovered less meniscus damage than they originally expected. The second was
> >> that instead of using a part of his hamstring, like in previous surgeries, they used the
> >> patella tendon in his left knee.
>
> >> On Thursday, Jenkins said the knee felt stronger at this point than last time. He also
> >> said that he will wear a brace this time, which strangely - because of stubbornness, he
> >> said - he refused to do after last season's knee injury.
>
> >> Jenkins seemed energized by the prospect of returning, although he acknowledged that he
> >> expected plenty of doubts.
>
> >> The question of where he would play next season remains uncertain. His salary cap number
> >> for the Jets (about $4.9 million) could be prohibitive, but he also could restructure his
> >> deal. If not, Jenkins said he would attempt a comeback elsewhere.
>
> >> "I'm in uncharted waters," he said. "But I'm at the point where I don't care what anybody
> >> thinks."
>
> > Jenks is a great guy but...
> > He's done, he can't stay healthy and the Jet's need to look at
> > replacing him.
>
> At his price tag, yeah.  We'll see how serious he is about coming back
> if he accepts a major pay cut.

or take an incentive laden contract....

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TOPIC: Bet the NFL. Here's a sign up bonus.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 9:40 pm
From: Greggy


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TOPIC: LaDainian New & Improved Thomas Jones
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/7c296d2ab17d56f6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 11:17 am
From: JetsLife


Aside from his prodigious production on the field, another concern
losing TJ was his leadership. He was known to be one of the team
leaders, if not the No. 1 team leader. His pre-game speeches inspired
his teammates.

It was reported little if at all that LaDainian would provide team
leadership. Fortunately, he has, and I think it's helped the Jets
focus on taking care of business rather than buying into all the hype.
I think he's rubbed off on the team, and perhaps most importantly,
Sanchez.

Additionally he provides the Jets with a receiving option out of the
backfield lacking with TJ. In the final drive v. Miami he had a key
reception for a first down. Collinsworth said after the play if
Schotty told Sanchez if he calls a shot it doesn't mean you take it.
If it's not there look for your check down. Like Al Michaels said, a
"HOF check down." Later that drive LT rips off a 20-yard run around
the end before plunging into the end zone basically icing the game. I
don't think TJ can make a run like that.

LT is TJ and much more.

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TOPIC: Holy S*@t: Still Can't Believe We Have Santonio
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/be639e7c616b4cb0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 10:58 am
From: JetsLife


The guy is a stud, a play-maker. If Sanchez continues his growth and
Schotty max exploits Santonio's talents, this offense could be ever
more potent. Knock on wood. Monday will be a good test for the Jets
offense v. a fine Minnesota defense.

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TOPIC: offense, offense, offense ???
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/33feacbd79bf0868?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 9:26 pm
From: Michael


could the tide be turning just a bit ??? "passing league" ???

three teams currently in EVERY top five NFL "power ranking"

Jets
Steelers
Ravens

those teams have somthing in common ???


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TOPIC: We've all been there
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4d7f6c1549ba8d1d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 11:22 am
From: JetsLife


On Oct 5, 6:32 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> But still, this made me smile:
>
> From Finsnation.com
>
> http://www.finsnation.com/fins_nation/2010/10/special-reamed.html
>
> F**k this f**king team.
>
> F**k the bullshit hold it's had on me since I was a child, teasing me
> with promises of happiness and elation, only to rip my f**king heart
> out again and again and again.
>
> F**k you, Dolphins.
>
> F**k your traditions and your heritage. That shit died eons ago.
>
> F**k your shitty stadium with its shitty art deco post modernistic
> bullshit decor. It's a f**king football stadium, not the inside of a
> f**king Little Havana hair salon.
>
> F**k you, Stephen Ross. You shrunken headed goblin faced f**k. F**k
> your ideas to make this a glitzy team. Nobody f**king cares, you cock.
> F**k your night clubs and your bullshit orange carpets and your
> bullshit celebrities. You've turned this franchise into the f**king
> Titanic. Just because you grew up not being invited to sit at the cool
> kids' table at Beach High doesn't give you the f**king right to
> utterly ruin my f**king football team with parties featuring hackneyed
> celebrities who haven't been f**king relevant since the Clinton
> administration, and who never had any f**king talent to begin with.
>
> F**k the f**king dipshits who actually attend these clubs during
> games. F**k your bullshit "look at me" faces and your steroid infused
> bodies and your botoxed faces and your disproportionate fake tits with
> the nipples pointing in different f**king directions. F**k your waxed
> chests and your Ed Hardy t-shirts, swinging your tiny dicks in my
> f**king stadium. You're not fooling anybody, assf**ks. You're all
> worthless little f**king people and you f**king know that shit deep
> down in your dark f**king soulless hearts. Get the f**k out of my
> city.
>
> F**k you, Bill Parcells. You wanna f**king bail? Bail. You overrated
> potato shaped stack of equine shit. F**k your New York Giants Super
> Bowls and the reputation you garnered on someone else's hard work.
> F**k your old school mentality. Oh I don't talk to reporters, they
> bother me. F**k. You. Man the f**k up. Take some responsibility. F**k
> your golf cart and your f**king race horses. I hope they f**king die
> in a fire. F**k your absolute refusal to draft play makers and instead
> going with the tried and true formula of drafting giant statues with
> no f**king speed and no discernible football IQ what so f**king ever.
> Your f**king son-in-law is one hundred times the personnel guy you'll
> ever be. For their sake, I hope to f**king Christ your grandkids
> inherited his genes and not yours, you worthless f**ksack. Go away and
> waste another franchise's draft by drafting the next Drew f**king
> Bledsoe.
>
> F**k you, Tony Sparano. You're on f**king notice. The honeymoon is
> over. Take off those f**king shades and get to f**king work. You
> f**king Parcells lackey. I'm sick and f**king tired of your in-game
> brain cramps that ruin our f**king seasons time and time again. At
> this point, you're no better than Cam or Nick or any other f**k face
> not named Shula to walk through those f**king doors. Fire that
> worthless shitstick of a special teams coach right the f**k now. Fix
> this shit. To-f**king-day, or we'll ship your ass back to f**king West
> Haven where you can slowly die of boredom because what the f**k else
> is there to do in Connecticut.
>
> F**k you, Jeff Ireland. You Napoleon-complex ginger f**k. Your one
> accomplishment in life is when you asked a college player if his
> mother was a f**king hooker. Is your Mom a f**king hooker? F**k your
> bullshit philosophies. F**k your complete and utter f**king lack of
> understanding that f**king players get f**king hurt. F**k your
> decisions to put Will Allen on IR or let Matt Roth go. We sure as
> f**king shitfire can use those two f**kers right about now. F**k your
> draft system. It's not a system, you f**king midget. It's an art. You
> draft play makers, not numbers and color coded charts. F**k you.
>
> F**k you, Chad Henne. F**k your underachieving overrated robotic
> f**king ass. I am sick and f**king tired of defending you. F**k your
> complete inability to evolve as a f**king quarterback, you f**king
> robot cockrocket. You've been staring down receivers since you were
> f**king conceived, you giant mental ward haircutted asshole. Big arm?
> F**k you. Quick release? F**k you. Learn how to read a f**king
> defense. Is looking off a safety now and again that f**king difficult
> to comprehend? You f**king waste of another f**king draft pick on
> another worthless piece of shit good-for-nothing-but-soul-crushing-
> interceptions quarterback.
>
> F**k you Dolphins. F**k this franchise and its inability to find
> people who know what the f**k they're doing. I swear to Shiva I can
> f**king turn this worthless shit of a team around in two years and
> make them a contender. In two f**king years. F**k this team. Take
> Vontae, Jake Long, Cam Wake and The Beast and tear this shit down and
> build it back up from scratch. Let the fires rage and purify this
> f**king thing.
>
> Of course, it will never happen. We will never get better. Never rise
> above the middling shit soup. We'll just keep sucking dick until the
> sun burns out.
>
> F**k me for always coming back.

Lol. This is some funny f****ng s**t.


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TOPIC: Santonio Holmes... a genius?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/15ea2be4f29e2f36?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 12:55 pm
From: John C TX


On Oct 7, 10:53 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> On 10/7/2010 11:48 AM, buRford wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ya always hope a guy *gets it,* after making dumb *mistakes.
> > Seems like we may be in for some more dumb *mistakes,* with Holmes.
> > Even a cat/dog learns from mistakes... at least Braylon says he's learned  ;)
>
> > Oct 07, 2010
> > Did suspension change Jets' Santonio Holmes? 'Not 1%'
> > 10:44 AM
>
> > New York Jets WR Santonio Holmes returned to practice on Wednesday for the first time
> > since the preseason after completing his four-game suspension for violating terms of the
> > NFL's substance-abuse policy.
>
> > But Holmes said he did little-to-no introspection and doesn't feel like he owes any
> > apologies as he returns to game action on Sunday. The MVP of Super Bowl XLIII, cast away
> > by the Steelers in a trade to the Jets for a fifth-round pick, said personal change is not
> > something he accomplished during his suspension.
>
> > "To look in your eyes and be honest with you, not 1%," Holmes said, via ESPN. "I've been
> > the same person since I stepped foot in this NFL, I'll (continue) being the same person
> > until I leave."
>
> > Holmes followed up his Super Bowl-winning catch with his best season last year. He caught
> > 79 passes for 1,248 yards and five TDs.
>
> > He was suspended in April, and had a rocky offseason. He was accused of assault by woman
> > in Florida who claimed Holmes threw a drink in her face, though Holmes denied the
> > accusation. Police questioned him shortly after his April trade to the Jets after a flight
> > attendant complained that Holmes was being uncooperative on a flight. No charges were
> > filed after police learned Holmes kept the ear buds from his iPod in his ear but did not
> > violate flight instructions by leaving the iPod on.
>
> > Holmes said he has nothing to apologize for and didn't need the suspension to teach him to
> > change his ways.
>
> > "I made it to the Super Bowl and won it, didn't I?" Holmes said, via ESPN. "That's all I
> > had to do with myself. I didn't have anything to think about. I'm a football player, what
> > happens off the field happens off the field, doesn't affect anything I do or what I'm
> > capable of doing."
>
> > -- Sean Leahy
>
> Maybe he doesn't have anything to apologize for?  How certain are we
> that the woman's allegations are true?  He still denies them, doesn't
> he?  Have we ever gotten the opportunity to hear his side of the story?
>   I honestly don't remember.

The alleged drink (glass) in the face hit the news & disappeared. Who
knows? The Ipod sounded like the stew mishandled the situation.

You might be right that he had nothing to apologize for but how about
you say, "I am always trying to improve."


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 11:39 am
From: Ian


On Oct 7, 4:53 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> On 10/7/2010 11:48 AM, buRford wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ya always hope a guy *gets it,* after making dumb *mistakes.
> > Seems like we may be in for some more dumb *mistakes,* with Holmes.
> > Even a cat/dog learns from mistakes... at least Braylon says he's learned  ;)
>
> > Oct 07, 2010
> > Did suspension change Jets' Santonio Holmes? 'Not 1%'
> > 10:44 AM
>
> > New York Jets WR Santonio Holmes returned to practice on Wednesday for the first time
> > since the preseason after completing his four-game suspension for violating terms of the
> > NFL's substance-abuse policy.
>
> > But Holmes said he did little-to-no introspection and doesn't feel like he owes any
> > apologies as he returns to game action on Sunday. The MVP of Super Bowl XLIII, cast away
> > by the Steelers in a trade to the Jets for a fifth-round pick, said personal change is not
> > something he accomplished during his suspension.
>
> > "To look in your eyes and be honest with you, not 1%," Holmes said, via ESPN. "I've been
> > the same person since I stepped foot in this NFL, I'll (continue) being the same person
> > until I leave."
>
> > Holmes followed up his Super Bowl-winning catch with his best season last year. He caught
> > 79 passes for 1,248 yards and five TDs.
>
> > He was suspended in April, and had a rocky offseason. He was accused of assault by woman
> > in Florida who claimed Holmes threw a drink in her face, though Holmes denied the
> > accusation. Police questioned him shortly after his April trade to the Jets after a flight
> > attendant complained that Holmes was being uncooperative on a flight. No charges were
> > filed after police learned Holmes kept the ear buds from his iPod in his ear but did not
> > violate flight instructions by leaving the iPod on.
>
> > Holmes said he has nothing to apologize for and didn't need the suspension to teach him to
> > change his ways.
>
> > "I made it to the Super Bowl and won it, didn't I?" Holmes said, via ESPN. "That's all I
> > had to do with myself. I didn't have anything to think about. I'm a football player, what
> > happens off the field happens off the field, doesn't affect anything I do or what I'm
> > capable of doing."
>
> > -- Sean Leahy
>
> Maybe he doesn't have anything to apologize for?  How certain are we
> that the woman's allegations are true?  He still denies them, doesn't
> he?  Have we ever gotten the opportunity to hear his side of the story?

This is Holmes, not Roethlisburger.

> I honestly don't remember.

Q.E.D.

--
Ian


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 1:00 pm
From: MZ


On 10/7/2010 2:39 PM, Ian wrote:
> On Oct 7, 4:53 pm, MZ<m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> On 10/7/2010 11:48 AM, buRford wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Ya always hope a guy *gets it,* after making dumb *mistakes.
>>> Seems like we may be in for some more dumb *mistakes,* with Holmes.
>>> Even a cat/dog learns from mistakes... at least Braylon says he's learned ;)
>>
>>> Oct 07, 2010
>>> Did suspension change Jets' Santonio Holmes? 'Not 1%'
>>> 10:44 AM
>>
>>> New York Jets WR Santonio Holmes returned to practice on Wednesday for the first time
>>> since the preseason after completing his four-game suspension for violating terms of the
>>> NFL's substance-abuse policy.
>>
>>> But Holmes said he did little-to-no introspection and doesn't feel like he owes any
>>> apologies as he returns to game action on Sunday. The MVP of Super Bowl XLIII, cast away
>>> by the Steelers in a trade to the Jets for a fifth-round pick, said personal change is not
>>> something he accomplished during his suspension.
>>
>>> "To look in your eyes and be honest with you, not 1%," Holmes said, via ESPN. "I've been
>>> the same person since I stepped foot in this NFL, I'll (continue) being the same person
>>> until I leave."
>>
>>> Holmes followed up his Super Bowl-winning catch with his best season last year. He caught
>>> 79 passes for 1,248 yards and five TDs.
>>
>>> He was suspended in April, and had a rocky offseason. He was accused of assault by woman
>>> in Florida who claimed Holmes threw a drink in her face, though Holmes denied the
>>> accusation. Police questioned him shortly after his April trade to the Jets after a flight
>>> attendant complained that Holmes was being uncooperative on a flight. No charges were
>>> filed after police learned Holmes kept the ear buds from his iPod in his ear but did not
>>> violate flight instructions by leaving the iPod on.
>>
>>> Holmes said he has nothing to apologize for and didn't need the suspension to teach him to
>>> change his ways.
>>
>>> "I made it to the Super Bowl and won it, didn't I?" Holmes said, via ESPN. "That's all I
>>> had to do with myself. I didn't have anything to think about. I'm a football player, what
>>> happens off the field happens off the field, doesn't affect anything I do or what I'm
>>> capable of doing."
>>
>>> -- Sean Leahy
>>
>> Maybe he doesn't have anything to apologize for? How certain are we
>> that the woman's allegations are true? He still denies them, doesn't
>> he? Have we ever gotten the opportunity to hear his side of the story?
>
> This is Holmes, not Roethlisburger.

I thought his infraction was the night club incident (throwing something
at a woman?).


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