Wednesday, October 13, 2010

alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets - 25 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Live by the blitz, die by the blitz. - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/51f4fcabbfab9030?hl=en
* A humble request of the regs here... - 10 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f5c0a3c735f002bb?hl=en
* Game Ball to Weatherford - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/aa910391e267aae6?hl=en
* Tick Tock.... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/aa6ccf6fbfde7fb3?hl=en
* jets-vikes... a few thoughts... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6e0b99b41deab4ad?hl=en
* A few things... & g'nite... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ea67c67e5abcc01d?hl=en
* Maybe next week.... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/302151362fcba01e?hl=en
* Sanchez - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8d9e04d0092e0dbb?hl=en
* My Plead To All: Save Our Country: Vote Republican On November 2nd! - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f34dc64df5a3b38d?hl=en
* Revis - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d02e95e7ccea009a?hl=en
* The truth about O'Neils Faggy Prostate: he is a Right Wing Nutbag - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f8e6d47264dc5f21?hl=en
* Sanchez: the much better and the not so much better. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3b9dd61b7e75f1f7?hl=en

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TOPIC: Live by the blitz, die by the blitz.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/51f4fcabbfab9030?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 11:46 pm
From: Hammer


On Oct 12, 5:47 pm, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> But let's not commit suicide by it.
>
> Last night the Jets D was shutting out and totally dominating Minny
> well into the second half until trying two big blitzes on 3rd and long
> that blew up into one-play TDs, putting Minny right back into the game
> and what until then looked like a gimme win at risk.
>
> 3rd and 17: TD!  3rd and 19: TD!
>
> I love Rex's big blitzing schemes, he does it better than anybody I've
> ever seen, and it improved the quality of the D last season by the
> most I've ever seen a D improve in one year.
>
> But somebody tell him that it *is* permissible on 3rd and 17+ when the
> clock is on your side to occasionally play contain.
>
> (Especially when the alternative is leaving Moss in single coverage on
> a fly pattern.)

Agreed...


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 3:19 am
From: CaptMyng


On Oct 12, 5:47 pm, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> But let's not commit suicide by it.
>
> Last night the Jets D was shutting out and totally dominating Minny
> well into the second half until trying two big blitzes on 3rd and long
> that blew up into one-play TDs, putting Minny right back into the game
> and what until then looked like a gimme win at risk.
>
> 3rd and 17: TD!  3rd and 19: TD!
>
> I love Rex's big blitzing schemes, he does it better than anybody I've
> ever seen, and it improved the quality of the D last season by the
> most I've ever seen a D improve in one year.
>
> But somebody tell him that it *is* permissible on 3rd and 17+ when the
> clock is on your side to occasionally play contain.
>
> (Especially when the alternative is leaving Moss in single coverage on
> a fly pattern.)

I'd rather they get burned on occasion than have them go back to the
Mangini all prevent all the time defense.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 6:01 am
From: John C TX


On Oct 12, 5:47 pm, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> But let's not commit suicide by it.
>
> Last night the Jets D was shutting out and totally dominating Minny
> well into the second half until trying two big blitzes on 3rd and long
> that blew up into one-play TDs, putting Minny right back into the game
> and what until then looked like a gimme win at risk.
>
> 3rd and 17: TD!  3rd and 19: TD!
>
> I love Rex's big blitzing schemes, he does it better than anybody I've
> ever seen, and it improved the quality of the D last season by the
> most I've ever seen a D improve in one year.
>
> But somebody tell him that it *is* permissible on 3rd and 17+ when the
> clock is on your side to occasionally play contain.
>
> (Especially when the alternative is leaving Moss in single coverage on
> a fly pattern.)

He didn't leave the secondary in man to man in the 2nd half of the
Pats or vs. MIami.

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TOPIC: A humble request of the regs here...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f5c0a3c735f002bb?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 12:20 am
From: "yoyodog"

"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
news:p71ab6p17qj8tovhsoalkkg06dmo9iprgf@4ax.com...
> As always, with our better play, comes the influx of the troll virus.
> It's just gonna get worse, as the season progresses.
> Some trolls used to be humorous, but these days they have nothing... just
> a cry for the
> attention their mommys' didn't give them.
>
> Most of us have responded to a few... I'm gonna stop.
> Ignore 'em & they'll go away.
>
>
> Disclaimer: I realize this post may serve as troll bait, an unintended
> consequence of
> same, and unintended ;)
>

Plonking still works best for me...


== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 12:23 am
From: "yoyodog"

"Drumrboy" <joecsn257@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1fdc8b0d-bd05-472e-9a7e-5b60b002f44b@k10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 12, 9:15 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> As always, with our better play, comes the influx of the troll virus.
> It's just gonna get worse, as the season progresses.
> Some trolls used to be humorous, but these days they have nothing... just
> a cry for the
> attention their mommys' didn't give them.
>
> Most of us have responded to a few... I'm gonna stop.
> Ignore 'em & they'll go away.
>
> Disclaimer: I realize this post may serve as troll bait, an unintended
> consequence of
> same, and unintended ;)

Atta girl, run along you pussy. Go wipe fatsos tears.

PLONK


== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 1:20 am
From: buRford


On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 03:20:38 -0400, "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>news:p71ab6p17qj8tovhsoalkkg06dmo9iprgf@4ax.com...
>> As always, with our better play, comes the influx of the troll virus.
>> It's just gonna get worse, as the season progresses.
>> Some trolls used to be humorous, but these days they have nothing... just
>> a cry for the
>> attention their mommys' didn't give them.
>>
>> Most of us have responded to a few... I'm gonna stop.
>> Ignore 'em & they'll go away.
>>
>>
>> Disclaimer: I realize this post may serve as troll bait, an unintended
>> consequence of
>> same, and unintended ;)
>>
>
>Plonking still works best for me...
>


Plonk!

jus kiddin' yo ;)


== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 3:39 am
From: Drumrboy


On Oct 13, 3:23 am, "yoyodog" <NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Drumrboy" <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1fdc8b0d-bd05-472e-9a7e-5b60b002f44b@k10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 12, 9:15 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > As always, with our better play, comes the influx of the troll virus.
> > It's just gonna get worse, as the season progresses.
> > Some trolls used to be humorous, but these days they have nothing... just
> > a cry for the
> > attention their mommys' didn't give them.
>
> > Most of us have responded to a few... I'm gonna stop.
> > Ignore 'em & they'll go away.
>
> > Disclaimer: I realize this post may serve as troll bait, an unintended
> > consequence of
> > same, and unintended ;)
>
> Atta girl, run along you pussy. Go wipe fatsos tears.
>
> PLONK

Liar.

You already "plonked" me, moron. Remember?


== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 3:40 am
From: Drumrboy


On Oct 13, 3:20 am, "yoyodog" <NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> news:p71ab6p17qj8tovhsoalkkg06dmo9iprgf@4ax.com...
>
> > As always, with our better play, comes the influx of the troll virus.
> > It's just gonna get worse, as the season progresses.
> > Some trolls used to be humorous, but these days they have nothing... just
> > a cry for the
> > attention their mommys' didn't give them.
>
> > Most of us have responded to a few... I'm gonna stop.
> > Ignore 'em & they'll go away.
>
> > Disclaimer: I realize this post may serve as troll bait, an unintended
> > consequence of
> > same, and unintended  ;)
>
> Plonking still works best for me...

Then why don't you do it, jackass.


== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 6:22 am
From: "yoyodog"

"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
news:auqab6d8hr8pdakdppso5dprhuqovmr7ee@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 03:20:38 -0400, "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>news:p71ab6p17qj8tovhsoalkkg06dmo9iprgf@4ax.com...
>>> As always, with our better play, comes the influx of the troll virus.
>>> It's just gonna get worse, as the season progresses.
>>> Some trolls used to be humorous, but these days they have nothing...
>>> just
>>> a cry for the
>>> attention their mommys' didn't give them.
>>>
>>> Most of us have responded to a few... I'm gonna stop.
>>> Ignore 'em & they'll go away.
>>>
>>>
>>> Disclaimer: I realize this post may serve as troll bait, an unintended
>>> consequence of
>>> same, and unintended ;)
>>>
>>
>>Plonking still works best for me...
>>
>
>
> Plonk!
>
>
>
> jus kiddin' yo ;)


Touché... :-)

(as in "touché pussycat", not "ya ol' touche bag")


== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 6:48 am
From: John C TX


On Oct 12, 8:15 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> As always, with our better play, comes the influx of the troll virus.
> It's just gonna get worse, as the season progresses.
> Some trolls used to be humorous, but these days they have nothing... just a cry for the
> attention their mommys' didn't give them.
>
> Most of us have responded to a few... I'm gonna stop.  
> Ignore 'em & they'll go away.
>
> Disclaimer: I realize this post may serve as troll bait, an unintended consequence of
> same, and unintended  ;)

bURf, thanks, I wanted to jump in and ask everyone to ignore.

On an related note Firefox used to have an add on to block idiots &
spam. I can't seem to find it. Anyone know what it is called?


== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 6:51 am
From: MZ


On 10/12/2010 9:15 PM, buRford wrote:
> As always, with our better play, comes the influx of the troll virus.
> It's just gonna get worse, as the season progresses.
> Some trolls used to be humorous, but these days they have nothing... just a cry for the
> attention their mommys' didn't give them.
>
> Most of us have responded to a few... I'm gonna stop.
> Ignore 'em& they'll go away.
>
>
> Disclaimer: I realize this post may serve as troll bait, an unintended consequence of
> same, and unintended ;)
>

Good call. I've seen first hand what a team's success brings to a
newsgroup. Believe it or not, but the Pats NG used to actually be
habitable once...


== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 8:02 am
From: buRford


On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:22:20 -0400, "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>news:auqab6d8hr8pdakdppso5dprhuqovmr7ee@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 03:20:38 -0400, "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>>news:p71ab6p17qj8tovhsoalkkg06dmo9iprgf@4ax.com...
>>>> As always, with our better play, comes the influx of the troll virus.
>>>> It's just gonna get worse, as the season progresses.
>>>> Some trolls used to be humorous, but these days they have nothing...
>>>> just
>>>> a cry for the
>>>> attention their mommys' didn't give them.
>>>>
>>>> Most of us have responded to a few... I'm gonna stop.
>>>> Ignore 'em & they'll go away.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Disclaimer: I realize this post may serve as troll bait, an unintended
>>>> consequence of
>>>> same, and unintended ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>>Plonking still works best for me...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Plonk!
>>
>>
>>
>> jus kiddin' yo ;)
>
>
>Touché... :-)
>
>(as in "touché pussycat", not "ya ol' touche bag")
>

Been a while since I was called that ;)


== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 8:06 am
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Oct 13, 9:48 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 8:15 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > As always, with our better play, comes the influx of the troll virus.
> > It's just gonna get worse, as the season progresses.
> > Some trolls used to be humorous, but these days they have nothing... just a cry for the
> > attention their mommys' didn't give them.
>
> > Most of us have responded to a few... I'm gonna stop.  
> > Ignore 'em & they'll go away.
>
> > Disclaimer: I realize this post may serve as troll bait, an unintended consequence of
> > same, and unintended  ;)
>
> bURf, thanks, I wanted to jump in and ask everyone to ignore.
>
> On an related note Firefox used to have an add on to block idiots &
> spam.  I can't seem to find it.  Anyone know what it is called?

It's called greasemonkey and it requires you to enter a script for
blocking on usenet. I use to use it until I bought a new computer and
never bothered to download it again, I just don't think it's all that
useful as it didn't work half the time. Maybe it was the script I was
using.

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TOPIC: Game Ball to Weatherford
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/aa910391e267aae6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 12:23 am
From: "yoyodog"

"Drumrboy" <joecsn257@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:705f59c1-1316-410d-964f-00e27f69a5ca@28g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 12, 3:31 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>
> news:harlan-5CA652.14134412102010@news60.forteinc.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > One key player in this game whose performance was one of the best I have
> > ever seen by a Jets player was Punter Steve Weatherford.
>
> > First, he held the ball in the rain without a glitch for each of the
> > critical FG. One botch and we likely lose this game.
>
> > His two shortest punts were for 33 and 38 yards. But the first was a
> > fair catch at the 11 and second was downed on the 6. One cannot punt
> > much better than that.
>
> > He had 3 punts over 50 yards that were resulted in fair catches (50, 52,
> > 51). Another punt that resulted in a FC was for 47; this means that
> > these four punts averaged 50 yards with no return.
>
> > The only punt that was returned was a 53 yarder that was returned for 22
> > yards. I will watch that again and comment. But, IIRC, the return team
> > was slow getting down the field and someone whiffed.
>
> > SW should get a game ball.
>
> > Harlan
>
> No way can you argue with that....he was a force last night. I was very
> impressed.

LOL! You blowhards are happily giving game balls to fucking puntets!!!

PLONK

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TOPIC: Tick Tock....
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/aa6ccf6fbfde7fb3?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 12:24 am
From: "yoyodog"

"Drumrboy" <joecsn257@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b4969697-7d79-4d88-b468-7ce61e9109cb@j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 12, 5:03 pm, "JK Coney@work" <chyopti...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Drumrboy" <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4902e522-6bd7-4c15-9a05-3ad86448e4d2@l14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Old man Farve gave you a gift last night.
>
> > The worst 4-1 team I've ever seen.
>
> Worse than da Bears?

What part of "THE WORST" didn't you understand?

At least you didn't dispute that the old man gave you this game.

PLONK


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 3:48 am
From: Drumrboy


On Oct 13, 3:24 am, "yoyodog" <NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Drumrboy" <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b4969697-7d79-4d88-b468-7ce61e9109cb@j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 12, 5:03 pm, "JK Coney@work" <chyopti...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > "Drumrboy" <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:4902e522-6bd7-4c15-9a05-3ad86448e4d2@l14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Old man Farve gave you a gift last night.
>
> > > The worst 4-1 team I've ever seen.
>
> > Worse than da Bears?
>
> What part of "THE WORST" didn't you understand?
>
> At least you didn't dispute that the old man gave you this game.
>
> PLONK

This is the third time you've claimed to have "plonked" me, jackass.

Got a booger stuck on the "plonk" key?

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TOPIC: jets-vikes... a few thoughts...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6e0b99b41deab4ad?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 5:52 am
From: John C TX


On Oct 12, 7:31 pm, BicketyBam <Blo...@joemama.net> wrote:
> Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote innews:harlan-5AADC2.14190312102010@news60.forteinc.com:
>
> > In article
> > <e1c0e68f-f32a-4111-af26-72e3c2a8c...@z28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> >  Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Oct 12, 10:53 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> >> > In article
> >> > <b8c8f394-ad8f-4945-a0c6-bbd75b3f8...
>
> @j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >  Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> > > 1. too many dropped passes.  this game should not have been this
> >> > > hard.
> >> > > 2. great job by the entire o-line pass protecting including
> >> > > slauson who did impressive work. he's working with brick a lot
> >> > > better now. obviously callahan is doing a good job coaching them
> >> > > up. 3. revis may not be 100 % any time soon.
> >> > > 4. who was responsible for the play calling and clock management
> >> > > in the late 4th quarter ??? how in hell did they decide to call a
> >> > > pass and turn it over to the vikes before the stop for the two
> >> > > minute warning ??? that has to be one of the most inept things
> >> > > i've seen with clock management since herm edwards.
>
> >> > Michael, I loved both passing calls on second down. The first one
> >> > got us a first down to Holmes.
>
> >> glenn..  i know schotty wants to be unpredictable, but i just dont
> >> see the passing calls on that drive as being the way to go under
> >> those circumstances.
>
> >> > I think the issue with the second was that Sanchez did not let the
> >> > play clock run until the last second before he threw wildly to
> >> > Holmes.
>
> >> that was a mistake too... he should know better...
>
> >> > The calls on second down were the right ones. We were trying to get
> >> > first downs. If we had made the second one, the Vikes might never
> >> > have gotten the ball back. You saw how they rushed on third down.
> >> > Second down was the time to throw.
>
> >> i would have ran it... i think that was the better choice... but...
> >> if they executed the pass, i guess it would have been "a good call"
> >> coulda been, but it wasnt.
>
> > Michael, they did run it. They ran for negative yardage (average) on
> > the two first down calls. Running the ball would have just given the
> > ball back with less time (but not much and less yardage to make).
>
> > I think those who run the ball, conceding the first down IMHO, are
> > playing not to lose. I like giving our team two chances to win.
>
> > Harlan
>
> I loved the pass calls, but as others pointed out, Sanchez snapped the
> ball to soon. I actually said to myself, "Call a pass here and snap it
> with 1 second on the play clock." My thinking was it was a chance to
> pass with no fear of an incompletion because the clock was going to stop
> for the 2 minute warning anyway. I nearly shit myself when he snapped it
> early and threw incomplete.
>
> But the call was the right one (just poorly executed). Parcells used to
> do this on a regular basis. Put the hammer down. Win the game right
> there. I have no problem with that.

I have to admit I was crapping my drawers and didn't know what they
should do.

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TOPIC: A few things... & g'nite...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ea67c67e5abcc01d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 6:17 am
From: John C TX


On Oct 12, 6:37 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>
> news:harlan-4E5CA0.17321612102010@news60.forteinc.com...
>
>
>
> > In article <zL6dnS3noKQKKCnRnZ2dnUVZ_rKdn...@giganews.com>,
> > "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> >>news:harlan-9E4971.10494112102010@news60.forteinc.com...
> >> > In article <9of8b69qtn45fot6qo47ge7177lfbrk...@4ax.com>,
> >> > buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 06:35:26 -0400, "papa.carl44"
> >> >> <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >"buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:8bp7b6dnmhmhcrcdeokhnd3ped41flakqe@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> I'd love to think this could be a championship year, but we have no
> >> >> >> pass
> >> >> >> rush.
> >> >> >> No matter how much blitzing we do, a good QB can pick us apart in
> >> >> >> crunch
> >> >> >> time.
>
> >> >> >> It'll take Revis 'til after the bye, to look like Revis.  He was
> >> >> >> slow
> >> >> >> &
> >> >> >> beaten a ton
> >> >> >> tonight.  I love Leonard, but he's terrible in coverage.
> >> >> >> So, we need at least one stud on the DL.
> >> >> >> Never thought I'd say this, but I hope Coleman's injury isn't
> >> >> >> serious
> >> >> >> ;)
>
> >> >> >> Our OL was amazing in protection tonight.  Would've liked to see
> >> >> >> more
> >> >> >> Shonn.
> >> >> >> And we need a red zone offense.
>
> >> >> >> Happy we won, but shouldn't have been this close.
>
> >> >> >First down for Schott is a give away.....absolutely no plan, scheme
> >> >> >or
> >> >> >ideas.  I liked a lot of individual plays, but it doesn't have any
> >> >> >flow
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >it.  One successful play doesn't produce something else that should
> >> >> >work
> >> >> >and
> >> >> >when something is a bust he just seems to want to come back to it
> >> >> >hoping
> >> >> >it
> >> >> >will work next time.....that doesn't happen unless you make it happen
> >> >> >by
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >plays called inbetween.  The O line was getting it done in this game
> >> >> >and
> >> >> >they had stuff open in the middle coming out of a "bunch" formation
> >> >> >or
> >> >> >with
> >> >> >the motion stuff, and he backs out of that too.  I also think Rex
> >> >> >gambles
> >> >> >too much, it worked for him in the end in this game, but will kill
> >> >> >them
> >> >> >at
> >> >> >some critical point.  The Hell with Revis...Cromartie is the Island.
> >> >> >Revis
> >> >> >had better start earning some of that money.
>
> >> >> The flow issue with Schott, probably won't go away until he does.
> >> >> So, here's to a solid offense this year, and his ticket to a
> >> >> head-coaching
> >> >> gig.
> >> >> I'm not so sure that some of the gambles, just aren't necessity, since
> >> >> we
> >> >> really have no
> >> >> pass rush, without the blitzing (I assume that's what you're speaking
> >> >> of).
>
> >> >> As for Revis, I thought it was a mistake to play him last night.  I
> >> >> always
> >> >> figured it
> >> >> would make more sense, to rest him 'til after the bye.  I doubt he'll
> >> >> play
> >> >> next week, as
> >> >> he looked terrible, & said after the game that it was hurting him
> >> >> after
> >> >> the
> >> >> 1st quarter.
> >> >> This seems to be a problem Rex has.  He played Revis in the Pats game,
> >> >> after
> >> >> he initially
> >> >> injured himself... a dumb move.  He left it up to Revis to make the
> >> >> decision
> >> >> to play last
> >> >> night... another dumb move.  Of course, it could be that the Jets
> >> >> medical
> >> >> staff are giving
> >> >> him bad advice.  But, he knows the risks of hammy injuries, & how they
> >> >> can
> >> >> become chronic
> >> >> unless rested.  At this point, instead of Revis being fully healed for
> >> >> after
> >> >> the bye, the
> >> >> aggravation of the injury, last night, might make Revis' injury a
> >> >> season-long
> >> >> thing.
>
> >> > Burf, I disagree with this too. Would you have rather seen Lowery all
> >> > game? Pace and Revis did not look like the defenders they were before
> >> > their absences. Both will either get better or they won't. But the more
> >> > they play, the greater the likelihood they may get it back.
>
> >> > While Lowery made a great play on the pick six, he remains a little too
> >> > Erik Smith slow in the backfield. Drew got banged up.
>
> >> > We were lucky Revis could go and would have been luckier if Brodney had
> >> > been in position on the Harvin TD.
>
> >> > harlan
>
> >> So how lucky are they going to be when Revis can't play down the road?
> >> If
> >> he reaggravated it significantly it will be with him all season and he
> >> will
> >> never play well.
>
> > Papa, I have never had a hamstring. I have had ankle problems and to
> > some extent think the issues are similar in one respect: There is no
> > assurance that rest will avoid reoccurrence, that other than prolonged
> > hiatus (six months), the player will fully recuperate without symptoms,
> > including those caused by an overall loss of fitness during inaction; or
> > that there is a way to know how long a rest will avoid swelling or
> > soreness and whether the swelling and soreness will be temporary, able
> > to be withstood, or harmful to high level performance.
>
> > Unlike with the Mets, I trust the Jets' doctors to ensure that Revis
> > played because it was time.
>
> > harlan
>
> Harlan,  You have NO idea what you are talking about.  A "hamstring" is an
> injury to a muscle, actually one of the largest and most used muscles in our
> body.  It can go from anything to pulled to torn and all in between.  Time
> takes time...and if it is hurt before it comes back it will increase the
> damage.  If the thing was just a pulled muscle it can always still come
> back.  I'd bet the house that a lot of this has to do with his skipping
> camp...you can run all you want by yourself and it is simply not the same
> kind of conditioning.  

Papa with his money it could have been. In fact it would take less
time because he didn't have the classroom issues to deal with and
every thing that goes on in camp.

>The reports today are that swelling has returned and
> that is absolutely not good.  If you have followed any of the medical issues
> surrounding the NFL you should be aware that guys coming back before they
> are ready is a huge problem.  It is not like baseball either, you can not
> compare the two at all.  The amount of stress that is placed on a hamstring
> injury every time he attempts to accelerate and then stop, or especially in
> contact is far greater than in non contact sports.  Playing on artificial
> surfaces plays a role in this.  

I agree 100% here. In the sport I know a little bit more about --at
the professional level-- they absolutely will never train two days in
a row on artificial surface. There is a huge link between hamstring &
quad pulls to artificial surfaces in the fast twitch muscle guys.

>Players have missed an entire season with a
> severe hamstring injury.  In a joint injury there is some gain to creating
> range of motion and actually forcing movement, that is not the case with a
> muscle tear or severe pull or strain.  My guess is that if there is indeed
> swelling he tore some of it.

Resting it through the bye was the proper route to go.
>
> As far as his play last night, they were in man coverage underneath when he
> was beaten on a crossing route by Harvin, he did not look at all like "the
> island"....he was servicable at best and even when we saw him attempting to
> hit he was very tentative and looked shaky.  When you pay a guy that much,
> you expect him to play with some pain and I would guess he minimizes
> it....because he knows it is his own fault.  

Another issue here is muscle atrophy that will happen across his
body. Think about any of the lifting they do to retain strength &
which one can he do that isn't activating the hamstring?

>There have been some guys who
> never really come back from a severe injury of the hamstring.  More notably
> it has ruined a lot of track guys.  I absolutely disagree with you about
> what rest can do...it can work wonders and that is a simple fact.  I played
> the game long enough and coached for over two decades and I'm aware of some
> of the basics.  Plus....my family is in medicine and my son played at a
> fairly high level...and lost half a year of college with a hamstring that
> was aggravated because he played too soon, and cut too quickly on a wet
> astro turf field.  He was a running back who was simply cutting back on a
> trap play, the muscle strain became a tear and that was it.
> Papa Carl


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 6:20 am
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Oct 12, 9:16 pm, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 8:49 pm, BicketyBam <Blo...@joemama.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote in news:0234d4bc-ea13-423b-823b-
> > 6bdb277aa...@l8g2000yql.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > On Oct 12, 6:54 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> On Oct 12, 2:14 pm, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > Your blowhard team can kick 7 field goals.
>
> > >> > Probably still won't be enough to beat a team with a QB that isn't
> > >> > collecting Social Security.
>
> > >> > Worst 4-1 team I've ever seen!
>
> > >> > Tick Tock, the implosion is coming and all you can do is wipe your fat
> > >> > assed, crybaby coaches tears!
>
> > >> > BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!
>
> > >> > See you bitches at 4-4.
>
> > >> 4-4?  you'll see us for our 9th game?  That would make you a Clevelan
> > > d
> > >> Browns fan!  OMG, we love you and your coach... it was he who swapped
> > >> 1st round positions with the Jets to give us Sanchez for Kenyon
> > >> Coleman, Abram Elam, Brett Ratliff, and the Jets 2nd rounder!  How'd
> > >> that work out for Cleveland?  Thank you, thank you, thank you.  Troll
> > >> all you want, my poor friend.  Although I do find it interesting that
> > >> the fan of arguably the worst NFL franchise in the last 4 decades
> > >> would be trolling anywhere, but for all that mangini and the Cleveland
> > >> Browns have done to improve the Jets franchise at its own expense, I
> > >> thank you..
>
> > > Moron.
>
> > Ha ha! A fucking Browns fan talking shit. Too funny. Good luck this week.
> > If you can throw a football, you might want to contact Mangini.
>
> Moron...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Boy, you really no how to do that come back thing. Perhaps next time
we will get a complete sentence.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 6:40 am
From: John C TX


On Oct 12, 2:11 pm, Johnny Morongo
<j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 11:12 am, A J <a...@fogliettaandson.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 2:42 am, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >    Still a long ways away from being in the top 10, no less elite. He got
> > > hit, then he got scared, then he threw up some really bad passes. He's been
> > > pretty lucky so far this year, thus 4-1. I'm not down on the kid, only
> > > realistic.  Yes there were some drops, but 5 FG when you're team is totally
> > > dominant is not a good thing.  He'll never be really good with Shot in tow.
>
> > > --
>
> > >www.myconeyislandmemories.com
>
> > He's been REALLY GOOD for the past 3 weeks, and unless I'm mistaken,
> > Schotty  was calling those games.
>
> > I just don't get it, when he plays to a 100+ rating, Schotty isn't
> > mentioned,
> > but a 1 point loss to the Ravens, and now an ugly win against a
> > premier D,
> > and it's ALL Schotty's fault?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
>
> I don't think I've seen anyone say that it's ALL Shitty's fault,
> AJ...but he does seem to have a propensity to choke in tight spots and
> call plays with no apparent plan.  And Sanchez's improvement this year
> is almost certainly due to his own really diligent work this off
> season.  Shitty still is a "shoe box" play caller.  Sanchez has
> improved and therefore the Offense has improved.  Shitty has been, and
> will remain, something less that a top tier OC.  There are at least 5
> teams that might be dumb enough though to go after him as a HC for
> next year.  I, for one, will be glad to hold the door open for him.

Alright Johnny, I threw this at Papa a few weeks ago. I asled him to
name the OC's that he thought were good. I got a list that included
guys from 20 & 30 years ago, head coaches, & Dan Henning. So let me
know who the geniuses are out there?

I want you to think about something else. MZ, who along with Papa
provides some great commentary & analysis, & who by the way isn't a
fan of Schott's play calling, pointed out the poor game plan Schott
attempted by hoping to run on the Ravens. Well the Vikings defense is
stout vs. the run and people in here were screaming to run the ball
more. Did it occur to these geniuses that our passing in the 1st half
forced MN to adjust, allowing for some big runs in both the 1st & 2nd
half?

btw Schott will probably be gone next year and my guess is we will be
OK because Sanchez should keep getting better but why don't you and
all the other commies in here give Schott some credit. Sanchez is a
better QB, as Tutor points out, than most of his peers over the last
4-5 years. Maybe it is Sanchez but maybe Schott & company as well.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 6:42 am
From: Beam Me Up Scotty


On 10/12/2010 11:33 PM, mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu wrote:
> On Oct 12, 11:04 am, "O'Neil's Faggy Prostrate - Save Our Country:
> Vote Republican On November 2nd!" <accoun...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Take Our Country Back! Vote Republican On November 2nd!!!
>
>
> NOOOO!! If we vote Republican then Mark Sanchez will NEVER be granted
> US citizenship!!!!
>
>
> We need Sanchez to get amnesty!!!
>
> Vote Democrat!!!!
>
> Free citizenship for our illegal QB!!!
>
>
>
FREE things, have no value.....

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 6:46 am
From: MZ


On 10/12/2010 9:55 AM, John C TX wrote:
> On Oct 12, 8:46 am, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 06:06:00 -0700 (PDT), John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They probably should not have played him. although Lowry& Colemen
>>> look better in this role.
>>
>> He's injured. Should not have been played, especially once they saw the weather.
>> At least they were smart enough, to put Cro on Moss, but the med staff& Rex made a biggee
>> on this. Hopefully, they'll now put him on a shelf until after the bye.
>
> That was my problem. If they rested him this week he could have had 3
> more weeks of rest& therapy.

How did he play? I only watched the first half, and he looked good. If
he didn't play so well in the second half, then it's possible that he's
just an excuse-maker.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 7:13 am
From: John C TX


On Oct 13, 8:46 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> On 10/12/2010 9:55 AM, John C TX wrote:
>
> > On Oct 12, 8:46 am, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com>  wrote:
> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 06:06:00 -0700 (PDT), John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> They probably should not have played him. although Lowry&  Colemen
> >>> look better in this role.
>
> >> He's injured.  Should not have been played, especially once they saw the weather.
> >> At least they were smart enough, to put Cro on Moss, but the med staff&  Rex made a biggee
> >> on this.  Hopefully, they'll now put him on a shelf until after the bye.
>
> > That was my problem.  If they rested him this week he could have had 3
> > more weeks of rest&  therapy.
>
> How did he play?  I only watched the first half, and he looked good.  If
> he didn't play so well in the second half, then it's possible that he's
> just an excuse-maker.

He was burned or released Harvin early on one. He was knocked over --
slipped or unfit?-- on another. He didn't have a bad game but it
appears he may have hurt his hammy again.

We have some issues in the secondary with coverage. Maybe throwing 3
new starters will lead to improvement as the year progresses.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 7:37 am
From: Sexy Jockaholic


Hey Right Wing Nutbag, do you really believe all that right-wing-Rush-
Hannity horseshit that you read? Really i thought you had more brains
than that.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 13 2010 7:57 am
From: John C TX


On Oct 12, 9:44 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <7905c727-ecb0-4d0c-868d-4404c7a84...@t8g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>  Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > Sanchez, huge obvious improvement: 0 picks in 147 attempts. If he
> > doesn't throw any over the rest of the year the Jetsies will be in
> > contention for the big prize all the way. Heck, he doesn't even have
> > to throw 0, just be among the half-dozen or so QBs who throw the
> > fewest.
>
> > Not so much improvement:  Sanchez's completion percentage of 55% is
> > 29th in the league, and his average yards per attempt of 6.1 is tied
> > for 28th-30th, both about the same as last year.
>
> > That's how one gets only 1 TD and 5 FGs in six scoring opportunities.
>
> > (And anybody who says "It's Schott's fault!" had better say the 0.00%
> > interception rate is Schott's fault too.)
>
> > It looks like Rex and Schott have well-taught the kid football rule
> > #1: Don't Beat Yourself.
> > Now he has to learn #2: How To Beat The Other Guy
>
> > But that's definite progress.
>
> > FWIW,  Footballoutsiders'  take on Sanchez after last night's game:
> > ~~~~
> >http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2010/week-5-quick-reads
>
> > Sanchez threw an interception every 18.2 attempts last season. That
> > was always going to improve this year, but he's now gone 147 attempts
> > without a single interception, which would be remarkable even if
> > Sanchez was a particularly accurate quarterback.
>
> > Not much else has changed -- he's completing 55.1 percent of his
> > passes after hitting 53.8 percent of them a year ago, and his yards
> > per attempt have gone from 6.7 a year ago to 6.1 this year. He's
> > throwing touchdowns once every 18 attempts as opposed to once every
> > 30. His sack rate's improved from 6.7 percent to 4.7 percent. He's a
> > little better across the board, but the big change amounts to
> > interception luck. While he got some bounces in his favor (as well as
> > some drops from his teammates) on Monday night, the picks are coming.
> > He won't throw 20 or anything, but they're on their way.
>
> So if I am reading this correctly, while he is only completing 55.1% of
> his passes, which is below average, he just about doubled his percent of
> passes resulting in touchdowns from last year, reduced his sacks
> percentage by almost a third, and eliminated turn overs in the first
> five games (both picks and fumbles) after leading the league.
>
> I must be missing something. Even Football Outsiders ranks him the 8th
> Qb out of the 39 they rank in DYAR which they use to rank quarterbacks
> according to their total value.
>
> If he just doesn't regress we should be fine. If his receivers grow
> hands and his accuracy improves a little, he could be dangerous.
>
> Harlan

As I said all summer if he just doesn't suck we are better. He is
playing well.


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