Friday, November 5, 2010

rec.bicycles.racing - 22 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Landis & Baker Face Trial for Hacking - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d91f23410dc0c1f4?hl=en
* Forget 53x11 - 4 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b7eb0f8de07c0902?hl=en
* "Shut it Up Popo"* - Popovych says he knows nothing ! - 3 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae47fa6fe8bafbae?hl=en
* Floyd and his lesser known cousin - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e38bdc8ed6d8cde0?hl=en
* Forget 53-11 - photo from the Tour of Africa - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf5f054698deb536?hl=en
* An Interesting Prediction - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf656187b930b89f?hl=en
* See Hot sexy star Mallika's bikini show - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c194d8391124dbd7?hl=en
* See Hot sexy star Mallika's night show - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/fbdefddeb28a8489?hl=en

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TOPIC: Landis & Baker Face Trial for Hacking
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d91f23410dc0c1f4?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 1:59 pm
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


Plano Dude wrote:
> "How he was served struck me as a little peculiar," Miller told the
> Los Angeles Times. "It was effected on a guy at a charity ride who was
> going to leave Texas for a vacation with his girlfriend. A guy from
> Ukraine who doesn't speak great English and didn't really understand
> what was going on.

I don't suppose L's trial is going to be held in an attic ?


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 4:07 pm
From: BLafferty


On 11/4/2010 3:12 PM, Plano Dude wrote:
> On Nov 3, 10:37 am, BLafferty<B...@nobody.com> wrote:
>> Oops. The Freds are wrong once again.http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landis-wants-new-zealand-win-will-sta...
>
> Will the Armstrong legal/publicity team have as much sympathy for
> Floyd? Not that Floyd would necessarily understand any better if the
> trial was in English.
>
> "How he was served struck me as a little peculiar," Miller told the
> Los Angeles Times. "It was effected on a guy at a charity ride who was
> going to leave Texas for a vacation with his girlfriend. A guy from
> Ukraine who doesn't speak great English and didn't really understand
> what was going on.

I'm certain that the government had a translator ready to assist Popo in
the grand jury room. Does Miller speak Ukrainian?


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 5:39 pm
From: RicodJour


On Nov 4, 7:07 pm, BLafferty <B...@nobody.com> wrote:
> On 11/4/2010 3:12 PM, Plano Dude wrote:
>
> > On Nov 3, 10:37 am, BLafferty<B...@nobody.com>  wrote:
> >> Oops. The Freds are wrong once again.http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landis-wants-new-zealand-win-will-sta...
>
> > Will the Armstrong legal/publicity team have as much sympathy for
> > Floyd? Not that Floyd would necessarily understand any better if the
> > trial was in English.
>
> > "How he was served struck me as a little peculiar," Miller told the
> > Los Angeles Times. "It was effected on a guy at a charity ride who was
> > going to leave Texas for a vacation with his girlfriend. A guy from
> > Ukraine who doesn't speak great English and didn't really understand
> > what was going on.
>
> I'm certain that the government had a translator ready to assist Popo in
> the grand jury room. Does Miller speak Ukrainian?

About as well as you comprehend English.

R

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TOPIC: Forget 53x11
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b7eb0f8de07c0902?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 2:36 pm
From: Michael Press


In article <iasetf01pes@news6.newsguy.com>,
dave a <blkcatREMOVETHIS@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showpost.php?s=cbe0cc85f5b5a62de20a7765cae4fa...&p=578228
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2a3f6c5
>
> Why is his fork backwards?

So when the front wheel bumps into the roller on the tow vehicle
it does not force the front wheel to yaw.

> What PEDS did he use? (just to make this qualify for rbr)

Valium.

--
Michael Press


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 2:41 pm
From: Michael Press


In article <YOURhoward-AF4437.17333403112010@news.giganews.com>,
"H. Fred Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> In article <iasetf01pes@news6.newsguy.com>, dave a <blkcatREMOVETHIS@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showpost.php?s=cbe0cc85f5b5a62de20a7765cae4fa
> > ...&p=578228
> >
> > or
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2a3f6c5
> >
> > Why is his fork backwards?
>
> I'd say it's set up like that to increase the trail, thereby making the bike a bit
> more stable. Think of it like the front wheels on a shopping cart. It'll want to
> track better than if the fork was the normal way.

What happens when the front wheel jams into the roller on
the tow vehicle? With forward fork offset the wheel wants
to yaw. With backward fork offset as, on the pictured bike,
the collision with the roller acts to keep the front wheel straight.

Later exploits of this nature mounted a bumper on the bicycle
frame at the head tube for bumping into the tow vehicle.

--
Michael Press


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 7:11 pm
From: Plano Dude


On Nov 4, 4:41 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article <YOURhoward-AF4437.17333403112...@news.giganews.com>,
>  "H. Fred Kveck" <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <iasetf01...@news6.newsguy.com>, dave a <blkcatREMOVET...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showpost.php?s=cbe0cc85f5b5a62de20a7...
> > > ...&p=578228
>
> > > or
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/2a3f6c5
>
> > > Why is his fork backwards?
>
> >    I'd say it's set up like that to increase the trail, thereby making the bike a bit
> > more stable. Think of it like the front wheels on a shopping cart. It'll want to
> > track better than if the fork was the normal way.
>
> What happens when the front wheel jams into the roller on
> the tow vehicle? With forward fork offset the wheel wants
> to yaw. With backward fork offset as, on the pictured bike,
> the collision with the roller acts to keep the front wheel straight.
>
> Later exploits of this nature mounted a bumper on the bicycle
> frame at the head tube for bumping into the tow vehicle.
>
> --
> Michael Press

Michael,

Have you ever motorpaced behind a vehicle, either with or without a
roller? You can smash into them pretty hard without any yaw problems.
In fact, if you're motorpacing behind an unprotected rear bumper and
keep hitting it, your front tire can grind through it pretty fast.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 1:21 am
From: Michael Press


In article
<ebb159ed-32bc-4ba1-9e2e-a813c0838216@k22g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Plano Dude <tx.wasteland@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 4, 4:41 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article <YOURhoward-AF4437.17333403112...@news.giganews.com>,
> >  "H. Fred Kveck" <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <iasetf01...@news6.newsguy.com>, dave a <blkcatREMOVET...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > >http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showpost.php?s=cbe0cc85f5b5a62de20a7...
> > > > ...&p=578228
> >
> > > > or
> >
> > > >http://tinyurl.com/2a3f6c5
> >
> > > > Why is his fork backwards?
> >
> > >    I'd say it's set up like that to increase the trail, thereby making the bike a bit
> > > more stable. Think of it like the front wheels on a shopping cart. It'll want to
> > > track better than if the fork was the normal way.
> >
> > What happens when the front wheel jams into the roller on
> > the tow vehicle? With forward fork offset the wheel wants
> > to yaw. With backward fork offset as, on the pictured bike,
> > the collision with the roller acts to keep the front wheel straight.
> >
> > Later exploits of this nature mounted a bumper on the bicycle
> > frame at the head tube for bumping into the tow vehicle.
>
> Michael,
>
> Have you ever motorpaced behind a vehicle, either with or without a
> roller?

No.

> You can smash into them pretty hard without any yaw problems.
> In fact, if you're motorpacing behind an unprotected rear bumper and
> keep hitting it, your front tire can grind through it pretty fast.

There goes another perfectly good theory.

--
Michael Press

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TOPIC: "Shut it Up Popo"* - Popovych says he knows nothing !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae47fa6fe8bafbae?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 2:39 pm
From: --D-y


On Nov 4, 2:54 pm, BLafferty <B...@nobody.com> wrote:
> On 11/4/2010 3:39 PM, Keith wrote:
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/popovych-denies-witnessing-doping?ns_...
>
> > And that from the man who was total crap at Lotto...I guess that
> > helped him not joining the ranks of the ex-uniballer mountain henchmen
> > to fall for doping, I guess there aren't too many around, let's
> > see...Rubiera only comes to mind for now.
>
> I don't think Popo has said anything publicly.
> His lawyer said, "He doesn't know anything about what the focus of the
> investigation is," Miller said. You could interpret that in a couple of
> ways.  I'm surprised his attorney didn't say directly that Popo knows
> nothing. It usually doesn't take 90 minutes to say you know nothing.
>
> Then again, Mclvain was in the GJ room for over 6 hours, IIRC, and she
> claims to know nothing. The eventual indictments said to be coming in
> January will make interesting reading.

Well, Brian, don't forget, they're building the case against Novitsky,
too.
--D-y


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 2:52 pm
From: RicodJour


On Nov 4, 3:54 pm, BLafferty <B...@nobody.com> wrote:
>
> It usually doesn't take 90 minutes to say you know nothing.

After years of posting you still haven't said it. People had to
figure it out for themselves.

R


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 7:57 pm
From: Keith


On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 15:54:44 -0400, BLafferty <BL@nobody.com> wrote:

>
>I don't think Popo has said anything publicly.
>His lawyer said, "He doesn't know anything about what the focus of the
>investigation is," Miller said. You could interpret that in a couple of
>ways. I'm surprised his attorney didn't say directly that Popo knows
>nothing. It usually doesn't take 90 minutes to say you know nothing.
>
>Then again, Mclvain was in the GJ room for over 6 hours, IIRC, and she
>claims to know nothing. The eventual indictments said to be coming in
>January will make interesting reading.

Yes, a ton of "innocents" bystanders it seems...

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TOPIC: Floyd and his lesser known cousin
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e38bdc8ed6d8cde0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 2:46 pm
From: Michael Press


In article
<d86575a4-046e-436a-9329-e76a70578c37@s4g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
"Rik O'Shea" <rikoshea@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Floyd = http://tinyurl.com/23pdg8z
> Floyd's lesser known (but more trustworthy) cousin! = http://tinyurl.com/3yd7pe6

And better looking.

--
Michael Press


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 2:48 pm
From: RicodJour


On Nov 3, 4:46 pm, "Rik O'Shea" <rikos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Floyd =http://tinyurl.com/23pdg8z
> Floyd's lesser known (but more trustworthy) cousin!  =http://tinyurl.com/3yd7pe6

Man, look at him! Floyd is getting more Fredly day by day. Umm, no
offense, Fred. And Fred. Ad nauseum.

R

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TOPIC: Forget 53-11 - photo from the Tour of Africa
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf5f054698deb536?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 2:55 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<9e9d22c0-e400-4094-85c2-a21570f15b17@r29g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Perfected drafting technique
>
> http://i55.tinypic.com/4kxje1.jpg

Nearest to the camera is on a step-through frame.
Blue tank top and blue shorts to his right
has no saddle mounted. It appears to be in
his left hand.

--
Old Fritz


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 4:10 pm
From: RicodJour


On Nov 4, 5:55 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>  Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Perfected drafting technique
>
> >http://i55.tinypic.com/4kxje1.jpg
>
> Nearest to the camera is on a step-through frame.
> Blue tank top and blue shorts to his right
> has no saddle mounted. It appears to be in
> his left hand.

No, his left hand is holding the handlebars, but damned if I can see a
seat on his bike. That guy must be a sprinter, a climber of have one
hell of a wedgie.

R


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 5:57 pm
From: Scott


On Nov 4, 5:10 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 5:55 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >  Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Perfected drafting technique
>
> > >http://i55.tinypic.com/4kxje1.jpg
>
> > Nearest to the camera is on a step-through frame.
> > Blue tank top and blue shorts to his right
> > has no saddle mounted. It appears to be in
> > his left hand.
>
> No, his left hand is holding the handlebars, but damned if I can see a
> seat on his bike.  That guy must be a sprinter, a climber of have one
> hell of a wedgie.
>
> R

Nah, just a weight weenie... none of those guys are using their
seats, he's the only one smart enough to just leave it off.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 7:13 pm
From: Anton Berlin

> What??? No helmets???

Interesting point, and in spite of all of the safety precautions and
wise judgment they exhibit.

Hmmmm......????


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 9:37 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Nov 3, 7:41 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Perfected drafting technique
>
> http://i55.tinypic.com/4kxje1.jpg

Dumbass -

Sometimes on the extension to the Saturday Swami's ride in SD, I'd get
dropped on the climb up to Lake Wohlford. I'd immediately start
looking for an SUV tire rack to grab onto.

When I was able to, damn that was fun.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

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TOPIC: An Interesting Prediction
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf656187b930b89f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 2:56 pm
From: RicodJour


On Nov 4, 2:59 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 11/4/2010 1:26 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>
> > On Nov 3, 1:32 pm, RicodJour<ricodj...@worldemail.com>  wrote:
>
> >> I'm starting to miss Kunich.  At least he wasn't a one trick pony.
>
> > I was serious about starting to miss Kunich.  He got on my nerves, and
> > I certainly took umbrage with stuff he said, but I got the impression
> > he was a likable enough guy in real life, and didn't have a particular
> > axe to grind.  He definitely livened the place up, and unlike some
> > people who started this thread, he didn't suck the air out of the room
> > with an obsession.
>
>
> Did you notice how we just had an election season without getting
> overrun with off topic political stuff?
>
> All it took was two people not being here.

Until you mentioned it, no, I hadn't noticed. Other newsgroups made
up for it. And the political confetti that was nailed up to every
telephone pole and stuck in public property lawns everywhere. That's
my next windmill to tilt at.

R


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 6:19 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Nov 4, 11:59 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 11/4/2010 1:26 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>
> > On Nov 3, 1:32 pm, RicodJour<ricodj...@worldemail.com>  wrote:
>
> >> I'm starting to miss Kunich.  At least he wasn't a one trick pony.
>
> > I was serious about starting to miss Kunich.  He got on my nerves, and
> > I certainly took umbrage with stuff he said, but I got the impression
> > he was a likable enough guy in real life, and didn't have a particular
> > axe to grind.  He definitely livened the place up, and unlike some
> > people who started this thread, he didn't suck the air out of the room
> > with an obsession.
>
> > R
>
> Did you notice how we just had an election season without getting
> overrun with off topic political stuff?
>
> All it took was two people not being here.

I was no fan of Kunich, but have to admit feeling a
little sorry for him, not because I think he was likable
or anything, but because his behavior really did seem
to change after he hit his head and that is likely
linked to his disappearance, which seems more
complete than his previous absences. (Despite the humor
of FORKSTRONG, I do believe Kunich hit his head.)

Isaiah Berlin, making the distinction between thinkers
who collect diverse ideas and those who organize knowledge
by one overarching principle, said that there were two
kinds of thinkers, foxes and hedgehogs: the fox knows
many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

Similarly on RBR there are two kinds of fools. Kunich was
a fool about many things, but Lafferty is a fool about one
big thing.

Fredphilosopher Ben

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 9:31 pm
From: William Fred


Fred Flintstein <bob.schwartz@sbcremoveglobal.net> wrote in
news:toydnWcxF87in07RnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@giganews.com:

>
> Did you notice how we just had an election season without getting
> overrun with off topic political stuff?
>
> All it took was two people not being here.

Wait, I'm still here, but just haven't had time or energy lately for off-
topic posts.

--
Bill Fred

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TOPIC: See Hot sexy star Mallika's bikini show
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c194d8391124dbd7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 9:52 pm
From: Hot Hot Hot


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TOPIC: See Hot sexy star Mallika's night show
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/fbdefddeb28a8489?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 1:20 am
From: DAKSHA


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