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Wednesday, February 10, 2010

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Today's topics:

* OT: I am sorry I have been a little rude lately - 10 messages, 8 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3cda89f50a544065?hl=en
* mini-phinney - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9507d1c077a60c8f?hl=en
* all things poseur - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/10e9dcf7e6f61a91?hl=en
* What's with Cippo these days? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b20960a94a9062ed?hl=en
* Cancellara interview - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/deae8e2303f5f5bc?hl=en
* Antibiotic resistant viruses rife in the peloton. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bf6ddbd9e40ff676?hl=en
* womens sport in muslim countries - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/62d9124fda348f00?hl=en

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TOPIC: OT: I am sorry I have been a little rude lately
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3cda89f50a544065?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:11 pm
From: Howard Kveck

In article <Xns9D1B7BFAFC37AFkldeltaC@130.133.4.11>,
William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com> wrote:

> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
>
> > On Feb 10, 9:56 am, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Fred Fredburger" <Some...@Somewhere.You.Dont.Wanna.Be> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:4b72d449@news.x-privat.org...
> >>
> >> > Donald Munro wrote:
> >> >> Sandy wrote:
> >> >>> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> >> >>> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine. Like the new
> > s
> >> >>> organization, Al Jazeera.
> >>
> >> >> Nice troll complete with the crosspost.
> >>
> >> > Agreed. Good time of the year for it, too!
> >>
> >> Dumbass -
> >>
> >> Troll index seems to be pretty good.
> >>
> >> Is this acceptable?
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >>
> >> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
> >
> > Dumbass,
> >
> > I don't think crossposting a troll to rbt is truly
> > sporting - it's a bit like cutting the course.
> > However, Sandy gets extra style points for
> > combining the troll with the "Goodbye cruel rbr"/
> > flame-out farewell.
>
> I thought it was too wordy to be a good troll.

The "Two Guns" thread is one of the best examples of trolling. Five words in the
subject, three in the post, no replies by the OP, 432 posts total. Awesomeness.

--
tanx,
Howard

Caught playing safe
It's a bored game

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:43 pm
From: heather

Matt Chambers wrote:
> Do we know each other?

No, only from rbr posts.
h

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 8:47 pm
From: Fred Fredburger

Peter Cole wrote:
> Jay Beattie wrote:
>
>> Although the United States built the infrastructure (hospitals,
>> schools, roads, phones) in Haiti and gave it its first democratic
>> election, I also agree that it did many stupid things that were
>> characteristic of the '50s CIA (and later). This was our stock
>> response to instability in the Caribbean. We are still evil and should
>> stay out of Haiti for its own good. The strong and caring central
>> government of Haiti should be left to take care of its people without
>> meddling or intervention by the US, UN or any other organized
>> government or government-sponsored groups. Once that occurs, Haiti
>> will return to its golden age of peace, tranquility and economic
>> prosperity. -- Jay Beattie.
>
> "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during
> that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big
> Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer,
> a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico
> safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a
> decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I
> helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the
> benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International
> Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the
> Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped
> make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China
> in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.
> Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best
> he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on
> three continents."
>
> "Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed
> "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye", was a Major General in the
> U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death, the most decorated
> Marine in U.S. history. During his 34 years of service, Butler was
> awarded 16 medals, five of which were for heroism. He is one of only 19
> people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor, one of three to be
> awarded a Marine Corps Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor, and the only
> person to be awarded the Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor for two
> different actions."

That is one hell of an interesting quote. I didn't believe it, so I
looked it up. The book is called "War Is a Racket", published in 1935.

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 8:53 pm
From: z

Fred Fredburger wrote:
> Peter Cole wrote:
>> Jay Beattie wrote:
>>
>>> Although the United States built the infrastructure (hospitals,
>>> schools, roads, phones) in Haiti and gave it its first democratic
>>> election, I also agree that it did many stupid things that were
>>> characteristic of the '50s CIA (and later). This was our stock
>>> response to instability in the Caribbean. We are still evil and should
>>> stay out of Haiti for its own good. The strong and caring central
>>> government of Haiti should be left to take care of its people without
>>> meddling or intervention by the US, UN or any other organized
>>> government or government-sponsored groups. Once that occurs, Haiti
>>> will return to its golden age of peace, tranquility and economic
>>> prosperity. -- Jay Beattie.
>>
>> "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and
>> during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for
>> Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a
>> racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and
>> especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped
>> make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to
>> collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central
>> American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify
>> Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in
>> 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American
>> sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American
>> fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that
>> Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might
>> have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate
>> his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
>>
>> "Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed
>> "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye", was a Major General in the
>> U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death, the most decorated
>> Marine in U.S. history. During his 34 years of service, Butler was
>> awarded 16 medals, five of which were for heroism. He is one of only
>> 19 people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor, one of three to be
>> awarded a Marine Corps Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor, and the only
>> person to be awarded the Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor for two
>> different actions."
>
> That is one hell of an interesting quote. I didn't believe it, so I
> looked it up. The book is called "War Is a Racket", published in 1935.

War is Iraq-ette?

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 8:55 pm
From: Andre Jute

On Feb 11, 12:00 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 5:28 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 9, 11:59 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> > > On Feb 9, 4:26 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Do you get paid by the word? Jeez, you're a windbag.
>
> > I'm sorry your attention span is so short, Rico.
>
> Yeah, it's a failing I have. I don't indulge people in love with the
> sound of their own voices.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ygntaaw
>
> R

Now we've had two smugly self-congratulatory posts from you to
complain about the length of my reply to the French scumbag Sandy, but
you haven't contributed anything at all to the conversation, merely a
complaint about the form of it. Do you have any content to add, Rico?
Do you indeed have any intrinsic value? Or is this creepy whining the
totality of Rico? Why should I care shit what a useless person like
you thinks?

Andre Jute
Rico d'jour is enough Rico for a month -- says Rico's mum!

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 9:14 pm
From: Andre Jute

On Feb 11, 12:38 am, Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 5:26 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> > > > Surely you don't _read_ "Jute," do you??
>
> > Poor old Krygo tried arguing wtih me once and retired hurt. Now, still
> > not having any answers, his only claim to fame is that he doesn't read
> > what I say.
>
> Bullshit, McCoy, AKA "Jute." I retired from arguing with you in the
> same way Albert Einstein would retire from arguing with Homer Simpson.
>
> To be clear: I do occasionally give you another chance, by skimming
> what you write. On occasion, I've even answered your questions, when
> you've asked meaningful ones.
>
> But your usual egotistical blather would be boring even if it were
> brief. Unfortunately, it never seems to be brief.
>
> I remain astonished that anyone really reads your posts.
>
> - Frank Krygowski

Gee, Frankie-boy, has it really taken you two years since I put you
down in that motor-pacing thread to crawl out of your shell and write
to me again? So nice to hear from you every few years.

Are you planning to contribute anything to the content of this thread,
which is on the arrogance of the French? Or will you just whine that
my post dissecting Sandy like a frog on the lab bench was too long for
your soundbite intelligence?

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at
http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information for the tube audio
constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site containing vital gems of
wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 9:59 pm
From: Chalo

Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> news.suddenlink.net WHO? ANONYMOUSLY SNIPES:
> >
> >> Chalo wrote:
> >>
> >> If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
> >> haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
> >> of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
> >> strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
> >> observation that overall we are not a force for good.
> > >
> >> Chalo
> >
> > How about SHUT THE FUCK UP CHALO!
> > <snip bullshit>
>
> Oooh, a brave anonymous poster! /sarcasm
>
> Learn to quote properly, you anonymous coward.

Yeah, that "news@suddenlink" dude is a real tough guy, and a patriot
too. That's why he stands ready to defend America against Americans
who think it's our duty to behave better than international
psychopaths.

Chalo

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 10:30 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
news:YOURhoward-D58A1F.18111410022010@news.giganews.com...
>
> The "Two Guns" thread is one of the best examples of trolling. Five
> words in the
> subject, three in the post, no replies by the OP, 432 posts total.
> Awesomeness.

Dumbass -

Four words in the subject (not five).

I've never seen a better example of trolling. Have you?

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 10:53 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hl086p$cmk$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
> news:YOURhoward-D58A1F.18111410022010@news.giganews.com...
>>
>> The "Two Guns" thread is one of the best examples of trolling. Five
>> words in the
>> subject, three in the post, no replies by the OP, 432 posts total.
>> Awesomeness.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Four words in the subject (not five).
>
> I've never seen a better example of trolling. Have you?
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Dumbass -

nm, you're right, there are 5 words. I didn't remember his first name being
included.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 11:12 pm
From: arthrnyork@webtv.net

On Feb 11, 12:14 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 12:38 am, Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 10, 5:26 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> > > > > Surely you don't _read_ "Jute," do you??
>
> > > Poor old Krygo tried arguing wtih me once and retired hurt. Now, still
> > > not having any answers, his only claim to fame is that he doesn't read
> > > what I say.
>
> > Bullshit, McCoy, AKA "Jute." I retired from arguing with you in the
> > same way Albert Einstein would retire from arguing with Homer Simpson.
>
> > To be clear: I do occasionally give you another chance, by skimming
> > what you write. On occasion, I've even answered your questions, when
> > you've asked meaningful ones.
>
> > But your usual egotistical blather would be boring even if it were
> > brief. Unfortunately, it never seems to be brief.
>
> > I remain astonished that anyone really reads your posts.
>
> > - Frank Krygowski
>
> Gee, Frankie-boy, has it really taken you two years since I put you
> down in that motor-pacing thread to crawl out of your shell and write
> to me again? So nice to hear from you every few years.
>
> Are you planning to contribute anything to the content of this thread,
> which is on the arrogance of the French? Or will you just whine that
> my post dissecting Sandy like a frog on the lab bench was too long for
> your soundbite intelligence?
>
> Andre Jute
> Visit Jute on Amps at
> http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/
> "wonderfully well written and reasoned information for the tube audio
> constructor"
> John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
> "an unbelievably comprehensive web site containing vital gems of
> wisdom"
> Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No wonder we had a 100 Years long war. No wonder we had two World
Wars. No wonder Europe has been divided for 45 years in the more
recent memory. Old disagreements are still prevalent to some. And if
the French are so evil, why does the English language contain so many
Gallic expressions? Even over here, in the US, French bashing is very
common for some strange and unknown reason.

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TOPIC: mini-phinney
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9507d1c077a60c8f?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:15 pm
From: --D-y

On Feb 10, 10:54 am, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:81de1db7-d750-4d26-820a-080989ce5066@x22g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >> That's really fucking impressive.
>
> >> What else have you done, 2nd place in match sprint?
>
> >Now that you mention it...
>
> Dumbass -
>
> A friend of mine tweeted this a few months ago:
>
> " just won the 9-mile paddleboard Dolphin Race! Let's not ask silly
> questions such as "Were there any other women in your division?" or "How
> many times did you go through the post-race buffet line?" Let's just focus
> on what really counts: sweet, sweet victory."

I have a Silver from my one and only 'cross race, at Texas States
Cyclocross. My buddy Jack and I were the only Vets entered; I got a
flat and he got the Gold.
We just stopped by to watch (after 60 miles or more done that day) and
I noticed there were no greyhairs running around. Our licenses and
money came flying out.

Medals were cool, but best was getting schooled by a real Euro pro
'crosser (2x TdF entrant and I think he finished both) on how to get
down a steep little drop with a LH 90deg turn at the bottom, slimy mud
abounding. I was standing next to the course de-clogging my crit bike
(ha ha) and "if he can do it, so can I" and then it turned into fun.

Furthermore, "if you don't enter, you can't get a prize". And if few
or no others enter? "The first race is to the start line", you know?

We had free donuts after and I have a picture.
--D-y

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:17 pm
From: --D-y

On Feb 10, 2:37 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 3:13 pm, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> > > "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:81de1db7-d750-4d26-820a-080989ce5066@x22g2000yqx.googlegroups.com.
> > > ..
>
> > >>> That's really fucking impressive.
>
> > >>> What else have you done, 2nd place in match sprint?
>
> > >>Now that you mention it...
>
> > > Dumbass -
>
> > > A friend of mine tweeted this a few months ago:
>
> > > " just won the 9-mile paddleboard Dolphin Race! Let's not ask silly
> > > questions such as "Were there any other women in your division?" or
> > > "How many times did you go through the post-race buffet line?" Let's
> > > just focus on what really counts: sweet, sweet victory."
>
> > > thanks,
>
> > > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> > Spongebob has you covered:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G6Hn0ozX1w
>
> > --
> > Bill Asher
>
> i love how you dipshits manage to talk about everything (and
> especially about yourselves and your masters fatty glory days) except
> miniphinney's excellent progress as an up and coming young racer.

We're waiting for ultimate success so we can say "told you so".
You knew that, too, so don't complain.
--D-y

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:42 pm
From: heather

bar wrote:
>
> i love how you dipshits manage to talk about everything (and
> especially about yourselves and your masters fatty glory days) except
> miniphinney's excellent progress as an up and coming young racer.

It could be worse- they could be questioning your interest in 19 year
old boys instead. I don't think they should be, but I'm just sayin...
h

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 7:12 pm
From: William Asher

heather <clevis@comcast.net> wrote in news:7th93tF1anU1
@mid.individual.net:

> bar wrote:
>>
>> i love how you dipshits manage to talk about everything (and
>> especially about yourselves and your masters fatty glory days) except
>> miniphinney's excellent progress as an up and coming young racer.
>
> It could be worse- they could be questioning your interest in 19 year
> old boys instead. I don't think they should be, but I'm just sayin...

Some of us are noticing your weird fascination with 19-yr old boys whose
first name starts with T, contains a Y, and ends with R. If this gets
out generally, a lot of guys will start posting as Toyoter, Tuyveker, and
so forth. But don't worry, your secret is safe with me.

--
Bill Asher

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 8:58 pm
From: Michael Press

In article <YOURhoward-C3D2E6.18015910022010@news.giganews.com>,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> In article <hkvbfn$66c$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Robert Chung" <anonymous.coward@address.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:hkvb19$qll$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > > bar wrote:
> > >
> > >> i love how you dipshits manage to talk about everything (and
> > >> especially about yourselves and your masters fatty glory days) except
> > >> miniphinney's excellent progress as an up and coming young racer.
> > >
> > > Dumbass,
> > >
> > > That's cuz RBR doesn't usually go apeshit over 7th place finishes.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > The exception was Sundquist and Connelly.
> >
> > I'd post a link, but Google doesn't seem to archive a lot of the old stuff.
>
> They have it archived but according to a Google friend of mine, they need to
> retune the usenet search stuff. I've searched for things that I have C'n'P to my
> computer to get a link and not found it that way but have when going through a more
> conventional search (i.e. remembering the thread title, etc).

I am positive the people at ggl can retrieve whatever they want
whenever they want at light speed. They deliberately nobbled
the usenet archive search for peons.

--
Michael Press

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 9:26 pm
From: heather

William Asher wrote:

> Some of us are noticing your weird fascination with 19-yr old boys whose
> first name starts with T, contains a Y, and ends with R.

Are you accusing me of being interested in a Teenybopper??? *

> But don't worry, your secret is safe with me.

You're soooo good to me...

h
*sorry, this maybe the worst joke i've ever made. but i don't regret
inflicting it on you :)

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TOPIC: all things poseur
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/10e9dcf7e6f61a91?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 7:20 pm
From: "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org"

On Feb 10, 6:17 pm, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> > "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote in message
> >news:7tgq5uFsdhU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> Cicero Venatio wrote:
> >>> Looking at the definitions of a "Fred" and a "poseur" and it is hard
> >>> for me to see how you are either one or the other. What would you
> >>> call someone that is neither, and how would define what must be a
> >>> very skinny area in between the two?
>
> >>> On the surface it seems that cycling etiquette is the most fascist I
> >>> have ever encountered.
>
> >> When I think of a cycling Fred, I don't include pretensions - a
> >> poseur is, by definition, trying to be something he's not. The
> >> useage of Fred has varied widely - I go for the old-fashioned
> >> version, the guy who commutes to work three miles each way and then
> >> rides his commuter bike in the Saturday morning hammerfest - or
> >> something along those lines. IOW, a Fred is an amateur and a poseur
> >> is a wanna-be pro.
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > Pros can be Freds.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Dumby -
>
> I said, "The useage of Fred has varied widely ..." You're using it
> differently than I am. My Freds aren't pro's.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_(bicycling)
>
> Or see this one - it's got two definitions, basically yours and mine.
>
> http://www.bicyclesource.com/bicycling_glossary#fred
>
> You're welcome.

Dumbass,

You're entitled to your own wrong opinion.

The definitive work on "Fred" is not from wikipedia, but
by Gianni Vertool in RBR:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/afd0e321f4181faa?hl=en

Ben

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 8:42 pm
From: thecoz11

On Feb 10, 6:42 am, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Looking at the definitions of a "Fred" and a "poseur" and it is hard for
> me to see how you are either one or the other. What would you call
> someone that is neither, and how would define what must be a very skinny
> area in between the two?
>
> On the surface it seems that cycling etiquette is the most fascist I
> have ever encountered.

Simple answer: Kurgan Gringinoi presented by Dumbass
Coz

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 9:02 pm
From: Fred Fredburger

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> On Feb 10, 6:17 pm, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
>> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>> "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7tgq5uFsdhU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Cicero Venatio wrote:
>>>>> Looking at the definitions of a "Fred" and a "poseur" and it is hard
>>>>> for me to see how you are either one or the other. What would you
>>>>> call someone that is neither, and how would define what must be a
>>>>> very skinny area in between the two?
>>>>> On the surface it seems that cycling etiquette is the most fascist I
>>>>> have ever encountered.
>>>> When I think of a cycling Fred, I don't include pretensions - a
>>>> poseur is, by definition, trying to be something he's not. The
>>>> useage of Fred has varied widely - I go for the old-fashioned
>>>> version, the guy who commutes to work three miles each way and then
>>>> rides his commuter bike in the Saturday morning hammerfest - or
>>>> something along those lines. IOW, a Fred is an amateur and a poseur
>>>> is a wanna-be pro.
>>> Dumbass -
>>> Pros can be Freds.
>>> thanks,
>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>> Dumby -
>>
>> I said, "The useage of Fred has varied widely ..." You're using it
>> differently than I am. My Freds aren't pro's.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_(bicycling)
>>
>> Or see this one - it's got two definitions, basically yours and mine.
>>
>> http://www.bicyclesource.com/bicycling_glossary#fred
>>
>> You're welcome.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> You're entitled to your own wrong opinion.
>
> The definitive work on "Fred" is not from wikipedia, but
> by Gianni Vertool in RBR:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/afd0e321f4181faa?hl=en
>
> Ben
>
>

God damn. I've got it bad.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 9:38 pm
From: heather

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
>
> The definitive work on "Fred" is not from wikipedia, but
> by Gianni Vertool in RBR:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/afd0e321f4181faa?hl=en
>
> Ben

I have to believe that Gianni would make a good coach. I've read that
post before, but just re-reading it now for fun had me subconsciously
vowing to become BetterSmarterHarder, (etc).

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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b20960a94a9062ed?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 9:08 pm
From: Davey Crockett

Anybody hear how he's doing?

--
Davey Crockett
-
And remember, Lads and Lasses
Jesus is Watching
http://82.242.109.147:6080/rbr/jesus-is-watching.jpg

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 11:36 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau

In article <878wb08ile.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com>,
Davey Crockett <rec@azurservers.com> wrote:

> Anybody hear how he's doing?

Running his own team, sorta, I think.

http://www.podiumcafe.com/2010/1/18/1258395/mario-cipollini-bicycles-and-
a-new

He's a dirigenza now:

http://www.isdcyclingteam.com/elencoschede.php?idco=34&esp=26&idsc=34&ids
c2=24

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

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TOPIC: Cancellara interview
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/deae8e2303f5f5bc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 9:34 pm
From: Anton Berlin

On Feb 9, 6:08 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 11:51 am, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <b0c359cb-14b2-422c-b1e4-4b00c1b00...@t31g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> > Ben Trovato <benn.trov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > My philosophy is to follow a clear line. To work as hard as I can,
> > > while following the rules. You'll always find some black sheep, but
> > > in the sport as a whole, the controls work. Last season I underwent
> > > more than sixty. I don't want to brag, but few other atheletes have
> > > been tested as much.
>
> > I know of one.
>
> > Lest my cattiness be taken for judgement, I like FC;
> > the wins he takes, and the way he wins.
> > Seems to be a straight arrow.
>
> > --
> > Michael Press
>
> my memory is dreadful, was it FC that went past the bike camera doing
> a last-minute-too-late at the Beijing Olympics (I can't even remember
> if it was the TT or road race!) at some close-to the speed of sound
> rate of knots ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

it was the end of the road race and yes it was fucking amazing.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 11:19 pm
From: DA74

On Feb 10, 7:27 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:
> DA74 wrote:
> > Cuntmouths,
> > Ever heard of a secondary bacterial infection?
> > An untreated viral "cold" in an immunocompromised
> > endurance athlete in the midst of a race season
> > will frequently morph into a very treatable secondary
> > bacterial infection in the sinuses and/or lungs.
>
> > A little Zithro and you shave a week off
> > your recovery. No harm no foul. This is their job
> > and they don't want to call in sick. GAFC.
>
> > Your Welcome.
> > -DA74
>
> Retard,
>
> Why are you trolling an immune system thread when
> there is so much action going on in the political
> thread? That's totally stupid.
>
> Bob Schwartz

When you talk your mouth looks like a cunt moving

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TOPIC: womens sport in muslim countries
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 11:33 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau

In article <YOURhoward-163E89.18034510022010@news.giganews.com>,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> In article <rcousine-D79926.17433210022010@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
> Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <7a6dndAlHfmkmO7WnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@sti.net>,
> > "GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroFans.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > > > In article <k1e1n5hddbvk8sjei6t4pa0slh4sr1oc1m@4ax.com>,
> > > > Nobody<nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:07:01 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> 1) She is (among women's cyclists) arguably faster than anyone
> > > >>> prettier, and prettier than anyone faster.
> > >
> > > > I'm sure Liz is perfectly nice, though.
> > >
> > > Ryan, Ryan, Ryan....
> > >
> > > Case closed..
> > > http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/interviews/tiff-white.jpg
> >
> > The Palmares are there, but that photo conceals more than it reveals.
> > And now I sound creepy.
>
> "Now"?????

Before, I tried to put some abstracted distance between my analysis and
my obsession. Maybe I failed.

But getting Bruce's top-10 out of it was worthwhile.

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2064 [AIDS INDIA] Legal aid clinics to benefit HIV positive persons in 16 districts

--- On Wed, 10/2/10, Lisa Johnson <aids-india@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

From: Lisa Johnson <aids-india@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [AIDS INDIA] Legal aid clinics to benefit HIV positive persons in 16 districts
To: AIDS-INDIA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 10 February, 2010, 10:41

Legal aid clinics to benefit HIV positive persons in 16 districts

CHENNAI, February 10, 2010 . With 11 more legal aid clinics for the HIV infected to come up in the State on Wednesday, positive persons in 16 districts of the State will be served by free legal services and counselling.

The districts in which one clinic each will be inaugurated on Wednesday are Chennai, Dharmapuri, Villupuram, Krishnagiri, Salem, Tiruchi, Tirupur, Karur, Theni, Tuticorin and Kanyakumari.

To be set up by the Tamil Nadu State AIDS Control Authority in association with the Tamil Nadu Legal Services Authority, the centres will be manned by an advocate and counsellor appointed by the latter. Each clinic will be set up at a cost of Rs.2 lakh, received as funding from the National AIDS Control Organisation.

The clinics are meant to directly address issues of people living with HIV/AIDS, especially widows, destitute women and children, with sensitivity. They are a step in the direction of providing easy access to legal services wherever anyone has been wronged, or there is a denial of services, according to the policy note.

"Completely free services will be provided at these clinics. There has been a great demand from the districts for such clinics, especially since the first five clinics were able to redress the grievances of people who were infected with HIV and could not afford legal services," S. Vijayakumar, Project Director, TANSACS, said. Mostly, cases concerning property disputes, alimony and inter-familial disputes come up at the clinics.

So far, the five clinics already set up in Namakkal, Dindigul, Madurai, Cuddalore and Tirunelveli districts have received a total of 1,913 non-legal and 432 legal petitions. Of these, 270 legal petitions and 1,011 non-legal cases have been settled, according to official figures. A substantial percentage of the clients at the legal aid were women. In several instances, disputes have been settled at the mere instance of the counsellor, even before taking the legal route, according to officials.

http://beta. thehindu. com/news/ cities/Chennai/ article103983. ece

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2063 [AIDS INDIA] Special Caring Home for HIV infected and affected children by Govt of Gujarat.

--- On Wed, 10/2/10, Irfan Bilakhiya <ir_bilakhiya@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

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GSNP+ (Gujarat State Network of People Living with HIV/AIDS) is very please to announce it has received permission from the Government of Gujarat's Social Justice and Empowerment Department to establish two Special Caring Homes for Orphan children living with HIV. GSNP+ will have direct responsibility for operation and administration of the two sites at Surat and Gandhinagar.

Through sustained efforts the Gujarat government has been sensitized to the special needs of orphan children and recognized the importance of this issue. The efforts of GSACS (Gujarat State AIDS Control Society) were also instrumental in securing funding for this initiative. Both recognize the positive changes possible in the futures of the children who will benefit from the Special Caring Homes.

The two Special Caring Homes will be established in Surat and Gandhinagar. In Surat, Reliance Industries will participate in a public, private partnership through the allocation of land, construction of the facility and some operating funds. GSNP+ has had an ongoing relationship with Reliance Industries and look forward to its expansion through this project.

GSNP+ would like to thank the Government of Gujarat, GSACS and Reliance Industries in brightening the future of very special children.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 2:36 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"Steve Freides" <steve@kbnj.com> wrote in message
news:7tgq5uFsdhU1@mid.individual.net...
> Cicero Venatio wrote:
>> Looking at the definitions of a "Fred" and a "poseur" and it is hard
>> for me to see how you are either one or the other. What would you
>> call someone that is neither, and how would define what must be a
>> very skinny area in between the two?
>>
>> On the surface it seems that cycling etiquette is the most fascist I
>> have ever encountered.
>
> When I think of a cycling Fred, I don't include pretensions - a poseur is,
> by definition, trying to be something he's not. The useage of Fred has
> varied widely - I go for the old-fashioned version, the guy who commutes
> to work three miles each way and then rides his commuter bike in the
> Saturday morning hammerfest - or something along those lines. IOW, a Fred
> is an amateur and a poseur is a wanna-be pro.

Dumbass -

Pros can be Freds.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:17 pm
From: "Steve Freides"

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> "Steve Freides" <steve@kbnj.com> wrote in message
> news:7tgq5uFsdhU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Cicero Venatio wrote:
>>> Looking at the definitions of a "Fred" and a "poseur" and it is hard
>>> for me to see how you are either one or the other. What would you
>>> call someone that is neither, and how would define what must be a
>>> very skinny area in between the two?
>>>
>>> On the surface it seems that cycling etiquette is the most fascist I
>>> have ever encountered.
>>
>> When I think of a cycling Fred, I don't include pretensions - a
>> poseur is, by definition, trying to be something he's not. The
>> useage of Fred has varied widely - I go for the old-fashioned
>> version, the guy who commutes to work three miles each way and then
>> rides his commuter bike in the Saturday morning hammerfest - or
>> something along those lines. IOW, a Fred is an amateur and a poseur
>> is a wanna-be pro.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Pros can be Freds.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Dumby -

I said, "The useage of Fred has varied widely ..." You're using it
differently than I am. My Freds aren't pro's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_(bicycling)

Or see this one - it's got two definitions, basically yours and mine.

http://www.bicyclesource.com/bicycling_glossary#fred

You're welcome.

-S-

== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 2:42 pm
From: Andre Jute

On Feb 10, 4:41 am, Jay Beattie <jbeat...@lindsayhart.com> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 8:03 pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Scott wrote:
>
> > > Sandy wrote:
>
> > > > It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> > > > broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
>
> > > Even when you try to apologize, you're still arrogant and insulting.
>
> > Sounds more like truth-telling than insult to me.
>
> > If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
> > haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
> > of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
> > strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
> > observation that overall we are not a force for good.
>
> Then why the hell do we spend so much on foreign aid? If we're such a
> force for bad, we should save the money and just spend it at home
> having fun -- like maybe build a big theme park and water slide with
> the billions we would save. Most of the unmitigated hell holes in the
> world were created by European colonists and not the United States.
> Pick a failed country, any country. Let me guess; it is a former
> British/French colony? Most of the problems in the Middle East are
> due to the English drawing up boarders on the backs of coctail
> napkins.

While I'm generally in agreement with you in this thread, Jay, the
above is crap. It was WW1 that drew those middle-Eastern borders.

Historically, if you want to point fingers for border drawing, I'm
afraid that the Americans and the CIA in particular are smack bang in
the bullseye. Did you for instance know that Allen Dulles, who was
later the head of the CIA, at the Paris peace conference on Secretary
Lansing's party, drew the borders of what would become Czechoslovakia
because he was the only one who knew where Bohemia etc were? Of course
I don't need to remind you that WW2 was fought over the borders drawn
by Lansing's bright young men, who were later leaders in the OSS and
then the CIA (which in my opinion is unfairly blamed for a lot of crap
they didn't do).

> Let them clean up the mess. We had the Marshall plan. Top
> that for cleaning up a mess. -- Jay Beattie.

'Top that'? Nobody can. The Marshall Plan was the greatest
humanitarian and charitable project ever. It has every claim to become
a religion; the only reason it hasn't is because the French are
ingrates who bite the hand that feeds them. That is therefore an
entirely appropriate discussion to have in a thread in which a
disgusting surrender-froggie like Sandy once more displays his lack of
moral fibre.

Andre Jute
Now let us praise George Marshall -- Ecclesiastes

== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 2:49 pm
From: Andre Jute

On Feb 10, 5:33 pm, Jay Beattie <jbeat...@lindsayhart.com> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 11:04 pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jay Beattie wrote:
>
> > > Chalo wrote:
>
> > > > Scott wrote:
>
> > > > > Sandy wrote:
>
> > > > > > It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> > > > > > broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
>
> > > > > Even when you try to apologize, you're still arrogant and insulting.
>
> > > > Sounds more like truth-telling than insult to me.
>
> > > > If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
> > > > haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
> > > > of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
> > > > strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
> > > > observation that overall we are not a force for good.
>
> > > Then why the hell do we spend so much on foreign aid?
>
> > Like to Israel?
>
> > How does all our foreign aid compare to our trillion dollar military
> > budget?
>
> > Did you know that in the wake of the recent Haitian quake, the US
> > Marines were diverting relief planes sent by Red Cross and Médecins
> > Sans Frontières away to Santo Domingo? Because evidently "security"
> > as defined by hired killers is more important than food, clean water,
> > and medical attention for starving and injured people.
>
> > A wiser man than me once said that you can tell the scoundrels from
> > the saints by the results of their actions: "Wherefore by their
> > fruits ye shall know them." Haiti as it is today is the fruit of US
> > policy from the first US occupation of Haiti in 1915, through the days
> > of Papa Doc and Baby Doc, right up to the present day. Any "help" the
> > US provides in the wake of that established pattern must be evaluated
> > in comparison to that pattern.
>
> I am perfectly fine with our national government abandoning its
> foreign aid program. That goes for all nations, including Israel and
> Egypt. That money should be plowed in to the United States for our
> own disaster relief or a killer theme park. Private charities, of
> course, can do whatever they want. Corporate interests in the various
> banana republics around the world should be pursued and protected by
> the interested corporations and not by our national government.
> Bechtel/KBR/Exxon/WalMart should be allowed to rasie their own armies
> like the East India Company.
>
> Although the United States built the infrastructure (hospitals,
> schools, roads, phones) in Haiti and gave it its first democratic
> election, I also agree that it did many stupid things that were
> characteristic of the '50s CIA (and later). This was our stock
> response to instability in the Caribbean. We are still evil and should
> stay out of Haiti for its own good. The strong and caring central
> government of Haiti should be left to take care of its people without
> meddling or intervention by the US, UN or any other organized
> government or government-sponsored groups. Once that occurs, Haiti
> will return to its golden age of peace, tranquility and economic
> prosperity. -- Jay Beattie.

Heh-heh. Papa Doc will rise from the grave to lead his people to the
promised land. Baby Doc, a little worse for wear (didn't he get his at
the round end of Thompson -- those things fire .50 slow-tumbling
bullets that really rip up the victim) will jig in front of the rest
of the zombies from the Ton Ton Macoute, and greatness and sweetness
will return to Haitian-style democracy! And Sandy will have many
opportunities to blame the Americans for *not* acting...

Andre Jute
Let the good times roll!

== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 2:53 pm
From: Tad McClellan

["Followup-To:" header set to rec.bicycles.tech.]
Andre Jute <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Okay, I'll bite. What's a 'Glasgow kiss'? -- AJ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_kiss

--
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== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:08 pm
From: Andre Jute

On Feb 10, 8:32 pm, semi-ambivalent <thefro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2:26 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 9, 6:20 pm, Sandy <leur...@free.fr> wrote:
>
> > >OT: I am sorry I have been a little rude lately
>
> > Such mindless arrogance and boorish rudeness is commonly what we
> > expect of you daily, so we didn't notice.
>
> > > It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> > > broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
>
> > Americans may and often are insular and provincial. They have quite a
> > few good excuses. A Frenchman and, worse, a French intellectual (even
> > a French shyster, unlike his American counterpart, is at least
> > nominally a member of the intelligentsia) has none of these excuses
> > for ignorance, stupidity and bias.
>
> > It is not how much information you have, but whether your mind is a
> > fit instrument to process it. Your mind, dear Sandy, is not a fit
> > instrument, as I shall immediately demonstrate.
>
> > > Like the news
> > > organization, Al Jazeera.
>
> > Unless you want to argue that Al Jazeera, by reason of being owned and
> > operated by Muslims, is somehow exempt from bias, it is just another
> > news organization pandering to the prejudices of its audience. In your
> > case, dear Sandy, it has hit the bullseye square in the age-old French
> > love affair with the Arabs, arising not so much out of love for Arabs
> > per se (as in the British case) but out of bone-deep French anti-
> > semitism matched by the French love of filthy lucre for selling Arabs
> > armaments.
>
> > In short, dear Sandy, it would be surprising if a limp-minded
> > surrender-froggie, such as you have repeatedly demonstrated yourself
> > to be, didn't, in Sorni's vibrant phrase, 'drink the Al Jazeera Kool-
> > Aid'. You're merely reacting true to form, like a well-trained dog
> > salivating at the sign of its food bowl.
>
> > >Take a look at the story, the video, and most
> > > of all look at the stories on the right-hand column.
>
> > I see a story about a bunch of religious nutters taking over a town or
> > a region, and abducting children (particularly female children) from
> > elsewhere to indoctrinate in their own ways. The police went in and
> > released the hostages. (We'll come to executions without trial in a
> > moment. It would be typical of the type of jerk in the modern Left,
> > like Sandy, who would once have been a Marxist, to confuse the two
> > matters of restoring order and street punishments.)
>
> > >Explore a little,
> > > and maybe you will pardon my having been a bit abrupt of late.
>
> > If this Hocum Pocum or Boring Islamist Fundies or whatever they were
> > called were instead an armed group of American religious fundies
> > abducting people's small daughters to indoctrinate and turn into child
> > brides, you, Sandy, would have been the first French trick cyclist (in
> > case your English isn't as glibly misleading as appears, that's
> > vernacular for 'nutter' -- and my *obligatory on-topic cycling
> > reference*!) to applaud the FBI for rooting them out and saving the
> > children. You might even have overlooked a few fatalities who
> > 'resisted arrest'.
>
> > Your judgement here is clearly biased in favour of this violent scum
> > because they're brown and Muslim. It is a form of condescension that
> > is itself racist in the extreme.
>
> > >I am due
> > > (maybe) to land in Lagos soon.
>
> > May the traffic jam be your hot foretaste of where you will go for
> > your lack of goodwill when you kick the bucket.
>
> > >I am really hesitant to be of use to
> > > those who want to get rich from the misery their dollars and euros
> > > impose.
>
> > Holy shit! Who gave this pretentious idiot a license to practice law?
> > Yo, little Sandy, where were you educated? Nigeria exports oil.
> > Extracting oil is a capital intensive activity. Without the euros and
> > dollars, there would be no oil, no jobs, no income, nothing but tribal
> > warfare, which is how since time immemorial the people there have
> > occupied themselves. (I was there in the secession war forty years
> > ago, and inter-tribal and inter-religious massacres then made this
> > little police excess seem like a bar brawl between nuns.) And the
> > money and the violence are clearly connected. It is ever thus. If you
> > think these Muslim insurrectionists want to make the lives of people
> > better, you're even more stupid than we have hitherto seen.
>
> > >I may just give up my practice and do something useful.
>
> > Very likely for you to stop practising law would be useful to the law.
> > Probably even be useful to society for you to join the next Hookum
> > Pokum bunch of clowns who abduct little girls for their 'cause'; first
> > of all, an arrogant Frenchman like you will probably insist that only
> > you know how to lead them, so that they'll screw up and be caught all
> > the sooner; next, if you're lucky (do you know anything at all about
> > African jails?) an irate father or cop with small children will shoot
> > you while you resist arrest; finally, the commie-pinko-fellow
> > travellers here on RBT will remember you as a 'martyr' and thereby
> > annually give the rest of us a good giggle on the anniversary of your
> > departure 'in a good cause'.
>
> > > Anyway, here's the link:
> > >http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/02/2010298114949112.html
>
> > Before Al Jazzy TV, almost no one had the bad taste to show executions
> > on television. Al Jazeera by itself, with that pervasive Muslim
> > disregard for life, have brought an important standard of news to a
> > desperate low.
>
> > > Let's hope that this is not the law and order of the Wild West that
> > > Sarah Palin wants to reintroduce.--
>
> > And if anyone is in any doubt about little Sandy's pinko-commie-fellow
> > traveller politics, that should fill them in. What, little Sandy (who
> > claims to be a lawyer and therefore at least by implication to have
> > respect for the evidence of consequential connection), does Ms Palin
> > have to do with Nigeria? Where did Ms Palin advocate shooting people
> > in the streets without trial? And, while we're on the questions you
> > cannot answer, Why are you such a useless wanker?
>
> > > --
> > > Sandy
> > > Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
>
> > They must hang their heads in shame on the streets of Verneuil-sur-
> > Seine when the fat lawyer in the overtight latex passes.
>
> > The rest is a quote from one 'Buttonwood' in The Economist given, with
> > approval implied, by Sandy in his tagline. It further demonstrates
> > that Sandy is either appallingly ignorant or monumentally stupid or
> > both:
>
> > > Economics and markets are not like chemistry.
>
> > No, they're more akin to psychology. It is only marxists and muslims
> > who think the laws of economics are mechanical.
>
> > > One can discover "laws" or
> > > patterns in past data, but acting on those patterns will affect the
> > > future;
>
> > Holy shit! This moron 'Buttonwood' writes in The Economist (note the
> > name of the journal!) and he doesn't know that the *purpose* of
> > economic policy is to act on past patterns precisely in order to
> > 'affect the future'. And Sandy, a lawyer who is supposed to honour or
> > at least understand logic, approves of a statement that denounces this
> > necessary link. (If Sandy quoted Buttonwood correctly, can anyone be
> > surprised that real economists give the The Economist a wide berth and
> > read The New Statesman instead? Readers of The Economist and the
> > Guardian largely coincide, and for good reason; misery and ignorance
> > loves its own company.)
>
> > >whereas a chemical does not change its behaviour because we have
> > > discovered it.
>
> > Economics in practice is the art of adding a catalyst. That Sandy
> > cannot see for himself that the analogy he approves is pisspoor is the
> > final condemnation of a slack, hysterically emotional 'mind'.
>
> > > Buttonwood -
> > > The Economist, 28 jan 2010
>
> > 'Buttonwood' and Sandy, two idiots with adipose tissue on the brain
> > who deserve each other.
>
> > Andre Jute
> > Global Warming is like Scientology, only with less science -- but at
> > least it is more logical than Sandy's politics!
>
> > PS I spent 27 years in Africa, and was effective enough for the
> > apartheid government to declare me a revolutionary and twice to send
> > assassins after me, whereas Sandy is making a flying visit and hasn't
> > even landed when he starts shooting off at the mouth. So, in the light
> > of our relative experience (27 years for me, none for Sandy): about
> > the extra-judicial killings that disturb Sandy so, I noticed in Africa
> > that the brutality in ex-French colonies is more disgusting and of a
> > higher level but always better hidden (the French still had forced
> > labour gangs, essentially slavery, into the 1950s) than in the ex-
> > British colonies like Nigeria. Of course the Army officers and police
> > bosses who ordered the killings should be tried and if found guilty
> > punished according to their crime, but what is much more important is
> > to bring to trial the political leaders responsible for originating
> > the order. Notice that these actions are exactly what I would expect
> > Americans to undertake, because Justice is a division of Truth, which
> > is indivisible, whereas Sandy, a lawyer, despicably doesn't once
> > mention a trial for these men. He is happy for Al Jazeera to be judge,
> > jury and executioner. Actually, the one here who deserves no mercy is
> > Sandy: he's a lawyer who's sold out principle for hysterical advocacy
> > without even waiting for his plane to land so he can enquire into the
> > facts; despicable behaviour for anyone but especially for a lawyer.
>
> I'm staying out of this one but, Mon Dieu Mr. Jute, what a screed! I'd
> give you full rbr marks but you failed to mention Jerry Lewis. A
> damned pity.

I had Jerry Lewis in there, but he's a cult figure in France where he
is considered a great movie director, so I scratched Jerry Lewis
because the surrender-froggie Sandy would get it, and there's no point
in making it easy for slime to understand how one undermines it. I
also thought but only briefly of replacing one of my exclamations with
the Jerry Lee Lewis reference 'Great balls of fire!' but scratched
that as well as because so many fat French boys like Sandy are closet
lovers of everything American, especially rock'n'roll, jazz, and cars;
they also pine after blondly pigtailed bobby-soxers but that's another
whole story.

Still, you're right, a damned pity to leave off Jerry Lewis. While
we're talking abut him, I might just point out that some of Jerry
Lewis's finest work as an actor came late in his career in television
when he played a clothing manufacturer and distraught father in the
series 'Wiseguy' by the Canadian writer and producer Stephen J Cannell
that starred Ken Wahl. Ron Silver and Stanley Tucci, both very strong
character actors, were also in that set, and Jerry Lewis gave them a
masterclass.

== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:14 pm
From: Andre Jute

On Feb 10, 10:10 pm, Peter Cole <peter_c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Jay Beattie wrote:
> > Although the United States built the infrastructure (hospitals,
> > schools, roads, phones) in Haiti and gave it its first democratic
> > election, I also agree that it did many stupid things that were
> > characteristic of the '50s CIA (and later). This was our stock
> > response to instability in the Caribbean. We are still evil and should
> > stay out of Haiti for its own good. The strong and caring central
> > government of Haiti should be left to take care of its people without
> > meddling or intervention by the US, UN or any other organized
> > government or government-sponsored groups. Once that occurs, Haiti
> > will return to its golden age of peace, tranquility and economic
> > prosperity. -- Jay Beattie.
>
> "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during
> that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big
> Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer,
> a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico
> safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a
> decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I
> helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the
> benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International
> Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the
> Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped
> make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China
> in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.
> Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best
> he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on
> three continents."
>
> "Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed
> "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye", was a Major General in the
> U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death, the most decorated
> Marine in U.S. history. During his 34 years of service, Butler was
> awarded 16 medals, five of which were for heroism. He is one of only 19
> people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor, one of three to be
> awarded a Marine Corps Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor, and the only
> person to be awarded the Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor for two
> different actions."

"The Fighting Quaker", eh. Thirty-three years and four months is a
long time to get religion and start repenting. That's the thing about
old sinners, that they have had so long to enjoy their sins.

Andre Jute
"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea
that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine
and the like would fit the bill." -- Club of Rome, The First Global
Revolution

== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:23 pm
From: "Matt Chambers"

Do we know each other?
"heather" <clevis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:7tel5nFb6mU1@mid.individual.net...
> Matt Chambers wrote:
>> In 1994, I spent a little over a month in Lagos, Nigeria working for the
>> now defunct USIA.
>> The assignment was to help them develop their "National Cycling Team".
>
> that's interesting, (I'm not being sarcastic!) I didn't know that about
> you, Matt.
>
>> What a nightmare
>> of an existence for those athletes.
>
> :(
>
> heather
>

== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:32 pm
From: AMuzi

-snip-
> thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> Not so much a back handed apology, but more like a Glagow kiss.

Andre Jute wrote:
> Okay, I'll bite. What's a 'Glasgow kiss'? -- AJ

I had to look that up too:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 4:00 pm
From: RicodJour

On Feb 10, 5:28 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 11:59 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 4:26 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Do you get paid by the word? Jeez, you're a windbag.
>
> I'm sorry your attention span is so short, Rico.

Yeah, it's a failing I have. I don't indulge people in love with the
sound of their own voices.

http://tinyurl.com/ygntaaw

== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 4:19 pm
From: "news.suddenlink.net"

"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8db275ec-5a78-45e9-962f-3df8a40f3d7a@z17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
Scott wrote:
>
> Sandy wrote:
> >
> > It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> > broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
>
> Even when you try to apologize, you're still arrogant and insulting.

Sounds more like truth-telling than insult to me.

If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
observation that overall we are not a force for good.

Chalo

How about SHUT THE FUCK UP CHALO!
You're an American hating son of a Mexican whore yet you live here. I'll
bet you're a bit more careful in real life. In some states a .38 slug could
find it's way into your treasonous brain very easily if you speak your
betrayal of your CHOSEN country so openly.
Why is it I only hear about decent cyclists getting run down by drunk
drivers? One would be doing us all a service if they killed you chalo.
Please tell me you didn't reproduce?

== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 4:38 pm
From: Frank Krygowski

On Feb 10, 5:26 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> > > Surely you don't _read_ "Jute," do you??
>
> Poor old Krygo tried arguing wtih me once and retired hurt. Now, still
> not having any answers, his only claim to fame is that he doesn't read
> what I say.

Bullshit, McCoy, AKA "Jute." I retired from arguing with you in the
same way Albert Einstein would retire from arguing with Homer Simpson.

To be clear: I do occasionally give you another chance, by skimming
what you write. On occasion, I've even answered your questions, when
you've asked meaningful ones.

But your usual egotistical blather would be boring even if it were
brief. Unfortunately, it never seems to be brief.

I remain astonished that anyone really reads your posts.

- Frank Krygowski

== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 4:48 pm
From: Jay Beattie

On Feb 10, 2:10 pm, Peter Cole <peter_c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Jay Beattie wrote:
> > Although the United States built the infrastructure (hospitals,
> > schools, roads, phones) in Haiti and gave it its first democratic
> > election, I also agree that it did many stupid things that were
> > characteristic of the '50s CIA (and later). This was our stock
> > response to instability in the Caribbean. We are still evil and should
> > stay out of Haiti for its own good. The strong and caring central
> > government of Haiti should be left to take care of its people without
> > meddling or intervention by the US, UN or any other organized
> > government or government-sponsored groups. Once that occurs, Haiti
> > will return to its golden age of peace, tranquility and economic
> > prosperity. -- Jay Beattie.
>
> "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during
> that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big
> Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer,
> a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico
> safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a
> decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I
> helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the
> benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International
> Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the
> Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped
> make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China
> in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.
> Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best
> he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on
> three continents."
>
> "Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed
> "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye", was a Major General in the
> U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death, the most decorated
> Marine in U.S. history. During his 34 years of service, Butler was
> awarded 16 medals, five of which were for heroism. He is one of only 19
> people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor, one of three to be
> awarded a Marine Corps Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor, and the only
> person to be awarded the Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor for two
> different actions."

This is exactly what I am saying. Corporations should have their own
armies and not use our Marines unless they are willing to pay temp
agency rates.

Note that corporate invasions present staggering branding
opportunities. We could have the United Exxon Emirates or the Peoples
Republic of Walmartia.
Hey, the French invasion of Mexico was just a foreclosure action. I
see no problem with foreclosing on collateral, even if the collateral
is a country. A loan is a loan. The French should have rebranded
Mexico as "Mexico brought to you by France" or Mexifrance or
Francico.-- Jay Beattie.

== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:24 pm
From: Jay Beattie

On Feb 10, 2:42 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 4:41 am, Jay Beattie <jbeat...@lindsayhart.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 9, 8:03 pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Scott wrote:
>
> > > > Sandy wrote:
>
> > > > > It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> > > > > broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
>
> > > > Even when you try to apologize, you're still arrogant and insulting.
>
> > > Sounds more like truth-telling than insult to me.
>
> > > If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
> > > haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
> > > of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
> > > strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
> > > observation that overall we are not a force for good.
>
> > Then why the hell do we spend so much on foreign aid? If we're such a
> > force for bad, we should save the money and just spend it at home
> > having fun -- like maybe build a big theme park and water slide with
> > the billions we would save. Most of the unmitigated hell holes in the
> > world were created by European colonists and not the United States.
> > Pick a failed country, any country. Let me guess; it is a former
> > British/French colony? Most of the problems in the Middle East are
> > due to the English drawing up boarders on the backs of coctail
> > napkins.
>
> While I'm generally in agreement with you in this thread, Jay, the
> above is crap. It was WW1 that drew those middle-Eastern borders.
>
> Historically, if you want to point fingers for border drawing, I'm
> afraid that the Americans and the CIA in particular are smack bang in
> the bullseye. Did you for instance know that Allen Dulles, who was
> later the head of the CIA, at the Paris peace conference on Secretary
> Lansing's party, drew the borders of what would become Czechoslovakia
> because he was the only one who knew where Bohemia etc were? Of course
> I don't need to remind you that WW2 was fought over the borders drawn
> by Lansing's bright young men, who were later leaders in the OSS and
> then the CIA (which in my opinion is unfairly blamed for a lot of crap
> they didn't do).

I was thinking about borders drawn in the Middle East by the British
at various times. The British created countries and gave them to
families. Hey, I want a country! Beattie America -- a small, inner-
city country with a totalitarian leader and no oil (I retired my oil
tank and connected to gas). Regrettably, I am being occupied by the
United States.

> > Let them clean up the mess. We had the Marshall plan. Top
> > that for cleaning up a mess. -- Jay Beattie.
>
> 'Top that'? Nobody can. The Marshall Plan was the greatest
> humanitarian and charitable project ever. It has every claim to become
> a religion; the only reason it hasn't is because the French are
> ingrates who bite the hand that feeds them. That is therefore an
> entirely appropriate discussion to have in a thread in which a
> disgusting surrender-froggie like Sandy once more displays his lack of
> moral fibre.
>
> Andre Jute
> Now let us praise George Marshall -- Ecclesiastes- Hide quoted text -

The Marshall plan was really the Truman plan, but nonetheless,
Marshall was a great man, and everybody seems to agree on that --
regardless of party affiliation. His decisions always seemed to be
right, although he couldn't get elected dog catcher if he were alive
today because of his views on Israel. -- Jay Beattie.

== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:44 pm
From: Tom Sherman °_°

Andrew Muzi wrote:
> [...[
> It's not clear to me that we're funding defense adequately or
> effectively yet. The numbers are historically not high in terms of
> receipts or GNP.[...]

Yeah, when you take the money spent on offense (Iraq and Pipelinestan)
out, it becomes less than the rest of the world combined.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007

"Since 1945, by deed and by example, the US has overthrown 50
governments, including democracies, crushed some 30 liberation
movements and supported tyrannies from Egypt to Guatemala."
- John Pilger

== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:51 pm
From: Tom Sherman °_°

news.suddenlink.net WHO? ANONYMOUSLY SNIPES:
>>
>> "Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:8db275ec-5a78-45e9-962f-3df8a40f3d7a@z17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>> Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> Sandy wrote:
>>> >
>>> > It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
>>> > broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
>>>
>>> Even when you try to apologize, you're still arrogant and insulting.
>>
>> Sounds more like truth-telling than insult to me.
>>
>> If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
>> haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
>> of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
>> strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
>> observation that overall we are not a force for good.
>>
>> Chalo
>
> How about SHUT THE FUCK UP CHALO!
> You're an American hating son of a Mexican whore yet you live here.
> I'll bet you're a bit more careful in real life. In some states a .38
> slug could find it's way into your treasonous brain very easily if you
> speak your betrayal of your CHOSEN country so openly.
> Why is it I only hear about decent cyclists getting run down by drunk
> drivers? One would be doing us all a service if they killed you chalo.
> Please tell me you didn't reproduce?

Oooh, a brave anonymous poster! /sarcasm

Learn to quote properly, you anonymous coward.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007

== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:11 pm
From: Howard Kveck

In article <Xns9D1B7BFAFC37AFkldeltaC@130.133.4.11>,
William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com> wrote:

The "Two Guns" thread is one of the best examples of trolling. Five words in the
subject, three in the post, no replies by the OP, 432 posts total. Awesomeness.

--
tanx,
Howard

Caught playing safe
It's a bored game

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 2:50 pm
From: Henry

On Feb 11, 1:55 am, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 1:27 am, Ben Trovato <benn.trov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > From the Swiss newspaper Le Temps; translation errors are mine, not
> > googlefish.
>
> >http://www.letemps.ch/Page/Uuid/5a3215aa-1432-11df-aa8a-33a086dad304/...
>
> > Q: What's the main goal for this season?
>
> > The Tour of Flanders. It's the race I'm still missing. The "Ronde",
> > that's real cycling. An entire nation lives for it. I've got a fan
> > club with 4500 members in Belgium. I'm ready to win that kind of a
> > race. Before that, I'll take part in the Eroica, Tirreno-Adriatico,
> > Milan-San Remo, Ghent-Wevelgem, Paris-Roubaix. I want to be able to
> > evaluate my condition in the Tirreno. Until then, it's a matter of
> > adding up the kilometers, getting into the rhythm, getting through
> > these next weeks without getting sick, or taking a fall - not like
> > last year.
>
> > Q: What about the Ardennes classiques, given your progression on the
> > hills?
>
> > They're not on my list yet. It'll depend on my condition in Belgium
> > or at Tirreno. I'll see if I'll be able to target an additional
> > week. It might be the Amstel Gold Race.
>
> > Q: After your victory in the Tour de Suisse, what ambitions do you
> > have for stage races?
>
> > The Tour de Suisse, that was unexpected! It was really the team that
> > gave me the motivation. In the end, I managed because I had faith in
> > myself.
>
> > Q: In 2008, you said that to go after a grand tour would require
> > <<changing some things>>, and that you had to decide how much you
> > wanted it.
>
> > The Tour de France is a dream, but a dream is not a goal. It's more
> > realistic for me to want the Ardennes races, the World road race. Or
> > the Tour of Lombardy. I've got so many courses in mind which I could
> > win on paper. People talk, but the Tour de France is something
> > special. I'd have to lose weight, muscle mass - and as a result,
> > power against the clock. It's a huge experiment, but with all the
> > other races I have in mind, I don't want to try huge experiments. I
> > want to dominate in different races. These last three years, few
> > racers have won over the whole season. People now pay a lot more
> > attention to me. I can do great things for cycling, for the youth,
> > for publicity for Switzerland.
>
> > Q: How much have you improved in the mountains?
>
> > I've always improved stage after stage. I still have the ability to
> > climb a few rungs. But I have to find pleasure too, otherwise I'll
> > lose motivation. During training, if I'd say to myself <<boy this
> > weather stinks>>, I'd stay home. But sometimes you still have to go
> > out anyway. Nevertheless, I go by motivation, by sensations, day
> > after day. During the training camp at Fuerteventura, we chatted with
> > triatheletes who calculate watts and all sorts of stuff. As a
> > cyclist, you're away from home 220 days of the year. So it's
> > important to work with your head. My big strength is a real knowledge
> > of when I can go well, and where my limitations are. I stick with
> > feelings. During the camp, I'd give up three or four minutes on some
> > climbs. The team understands what a Fabian Cancellara needs.
>
> > Q: Since world, you've stayed very slim. Do you plan on losing more
> > weight?
>
> > In 2009, I worked a lot, from the Vuelta to Worlds. But I've got the
> > capacity to do that for a short period of time. Afterwards, I have to
> > take it easy, not ride. At the end of the season, I went two months
> > without hard exercise. That's a lot. I let it all go, so I can find
> > more will, more freedom. I'm twenty-nine years old. I've already won
> > many victories. Some folks stop racing and come back after three
> > years. Me, I want to accomplish the maximum in this sport. One day,
> > I'll say stop, and that'll mean stop.
>
> > Q: What about your actual weight?
>
> > The soigneur's happy. I don't look at the scale. I pay more
> > attention to how my jeans fit, the musculature of my legs and back.
> > My wife will say, "hey there, careful with your weight, or else you'll
> > be too skinny!" Whether I weigh 87 or 83 kilos isn't important to me.
>
> > Q: Given your successes in 2009, how far will you go?
>
> > That's a good question! Sometimes, I don't know. Every year, I
> > accomplish a few "feats". It's a strength, to manage that.
> > Sometimes, you don't know your limits. Even staying within the rules,
> > you can push far beyond. Until you just can't turn the pedals any
> > further.
>
> > Q: Do you have the hour record in your sights?
>
> > I'll try for it one day. Where and when, that's still up in the air.
> > Adapting to the track is quite delicate. And I don't want to be all
> > alone in the velodrome. In the end, that kind of attempt becomes a
> > big deal. I can feel the feeling on a track right away. I'd rather
> > go after goals that are within my grasp than think about the Tour de
> > France. I'm still on the rail.
>
> > Q: How do you live with your status as star?
>
> > Being good, being under pressure: I know all the pages of my trade.
> > Racing, it's my job and my devotion. I'm glad that people support me,
> > but sometimes it's too much. That said, the public likes it when you
> > win different races. I was in yellow in the Tour, in the Vuelta, in
> > the Tour de Suisse. I've won some big races in a few countries. I'm
> > multicultural, I respect languages, traditions.
>
> > Q: Cycling has gone through some troubling episodes. When someone is
> > as popular as you, what's his responsibility?
>
> > My philosophy is to follow a clear line. To work as hard as I can,
> > while following the rules. You'll always find some black sheep, but
> > in the sport as a whole, the controls work. Last season I underwent
> > more than sixty. I don't want to brag, but few other atheletes have
> > been tested as much.
>
> > Q: How do you answer those who cast doubt on your performance?
>
> > I no longer listen to them. In the world, there are always people who
> > talk negatively, who are jealous. That's the way things are. I let
> > them be.
>
> > Q: But the fact that you're led by a repentant former racer also feeds
> > their comments.
>
> > Bjarne Riis is one of the few racers [sic] to have competed in the
> > years when the doping question was different. He's admitted to it: "I
> > did it." There it is, ciao. That's all. He's a calm person, and
> > people like him more than those who've said nothing. There are other
> > ex-pros who aren't as untroubled.
>
> > Q: Before the 2009 worlds, you worked with Bjarne Riis. What does he
> > mean to you?
>
> > He has lots of experience at fine-tuning your training. Precise
> > effort, precise rhythm behind the moto. At Mendrisio, I was at 100%.
> > Sometimes, it's better to be 95%. I was too focussed on the race, and
> > too sure of myself. On the human side, Bjarne Riis gives us the
> > possibility to think of things besides the bike. In a cyclist's
> > career, there are other important things, like living cycling as part
> > of a family.
>
> > Le Temps © 2009 Le Temps SA
>
> The most bizarre thing Cancellara said was in this interview with
> Cycling Newshttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cancellara-says-tour-yellow-will-rema...
>
> "Dreaming is important, but come on, I dream of owning an island, of
> having a big house; sometimes dreams are never reality." With his
> income, he can't afford a big house? I've looked at real estate cost
> in Switzerland, and it's not that expensive. Or maybe it's another one
> of those incorrect CyclingNews articles.

I've only visited CHF a couple of time and had a look in a few real
estate windows and nearly had an aneurysm! I was earning equivalent to
200k p/a in Swiss money.

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:07 pm
From: Henry

On Feb 11, 5:54 am, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:81de1db7-d750-4d26-820a-080989ce5066@x22g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >> That's really fucking impressive.
>
> >> What else have you done, 2nd place in match sprint?
>
> >Now that you mention it...
>
> Dumbass -
>
> A friend of mine tweeted this a few months ago:
>
> " just won the 9-mile paddleboard Dolphin Race! Let's not ask silly
> questions such as "Were there any other women in your division?" or "How
> many times did you go through the post-race buffet line?" Let's just focus
> on what really counts: sweet, sweet victory."
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

exactly. I'm competing in a local splash and dash series (it's on
topic, I cycled there!) - what do I care if I finish 3rd out of 3 !

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:20 pm
From: William Asher

bar wrote:

> On Feb 10, 3:13 pm, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Spongebob has you covered:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G6Hn0ozX1w
>>
>
> i love how you dipshits manage to talk about everything (and
> especially about yourselves and your masters fatty glory days) except
> miniphinney's excellent progress as an up and coming young racer.

Spongebob must have really hurt you bro.

--
Bill Asher

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 4:48 pm
From: thecoz11

On Feb 10, 4:20 pm, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Robert Chung" <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:hkvb19$qll$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > bar wrote:
>
> >> i love how you dipshits manage to talk about everything (and
> >> especially about yourselves and your masters fatty glory days) except
> >> miniphinney's excellent progress as an up and coming young racer.
>
> > Dumbass,
>
> > That's cuz RBR doesn't usually go apeshit over 7th place finishes.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> The exception was Sundquist and Connelly.
>
> I'd post a link, but Google doesn't seem to archive a lot of the old stuff.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Why don't you post a link to your fat ass. Bubba sure would like that.
Coz

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:01 pm
From: Howard Kveck

In article <hkvbfn$66c$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Robert Chung" <anonymous.coward@address.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hkvb19$qll$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > bar wrote:
> >
> >> i love how you dipshits manage to talk about everything (and
> >> especially about yourselves and your masters fatty glory days) except
> >> miniphinney's excellent progress as an up and coming young racer.
> >
> > Dumbass,
> >
> > That's cuz RBR doesn't usually go apeshit over 7th place finishes.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> The exception was Sundquist and Connelly.
>
> I'd post a link, but Google doesn't seem to archive a lot of the old stuff.

They have it archived but according to a Google friend of mine, they need to
retune the usenet search stuff. I've searched for things that I have C'n'P to my
computer to get a link and not found it that way but have when going through a more
conventional search (i.e. remembering the thread title, etc).

--
tanx,
Howard

Caught playing safe
It's a bored game

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:39 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau

In article
<8c8b775e-96cc-430b-8a9b-c48440cb12e9@g27g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 10, 1:15 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <3b691820-f550-4fdf-b8b7-1ee6a3d8b...@l26g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Feb 8, 2:07 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > 1) She is arguably faster than anyone prettier,
> > > > and prettier than anyone faster. This inspires rbr in various ways.
> > > Danica Patrick is hotter and faster.
> >
> > Hasn't Magilla learned you? Road racing is cool, Gerbildromes drool.

> I never really understood NASCAR until I was once given the
> opportunity to attend a race at Talladega. I had a "hot" pass that
> allowed me access to just about everywhere (couldn't cross pit road
> wall and couldn't go into the garage after the race started, but could
> go practically anywhere else). I watched an entire race from within
> the pit area of the Coors Light team, chatting w/ the crew, etc...
> Hell, I even went to a fish fry the night before the race that was
> hosted by the driver and the crew chief, and their wives.
>
> I also had an opportunity to do a half-day class at a NASCAR driving
> school, which was cooler than cool.
>
> Made a fan out of me. I still can't sit and watch a race on TV, but I
> respect what they do.

I should make it clear that I think NASCAR is pretty cool, but the joke
was too droll for me to pass it up.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:43 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau

In article <7a6dndAlHfmkmO7WnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@sti.net>,
"GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroFans.com> wrote:

> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > In article <k1e1n5hddbvk8sjei6t4pa0slh4sr1oc1m@4ax.com>,
> > Nobody<nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:07:01 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> 1) She is (among women's cyclists) arguably faster than anyone
> >>> prettier, and prettier than anyone faster.
>
> > I'm sure Liz is perfectly nice, though.
>
> Ryan, Ryan, Ryan....
>
> Case closed..
> http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/interviews/tiff-white.jpg

The Palmares are there, but that photo conceals more than it reveals.
And now I sound creepy.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:03 pm
From: Howard Kveck

In article <rcousine-D79926.17433210022010@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <7a6dndAlHfmkmO7WnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@sti.net>,
> "GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroFans.com> wrote:
>
> > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > > In article <k1e1n5hddbvk8sjei6t4pa0slh4sr1oc1m@4ax.com>,
> > > Nobody<nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:07:01 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> 1) She is (among women's cyclists) arguably faster than anyone
> > >>> prettier, and prettier than anyone faster.
> >
> > > I'm sure Liz is perfectly nice, though.
> >
> > Ryan, Ryan, Ryan....
> >
> > Case closed..
> > http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/interviews/tiff-white.jpg
>
> The Palmares are there, but that photo conceals more than it reveals.
> And now I sound creepy.

"Now"?????

--
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Howard

Caught playing safe
It's a bored game

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