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Today's topics:
* Playing to Win - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/a80fea6560cc6c8b?hl=en
* Same old Jets all over again - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6a48f96aeb19e482?hl=en
* HEY MIkE FRANCESA............THE GREAT MANNING THREW AN INTERCEPTIPN AND
LOST - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/df46803a5fd73c85?hl=en
* Pearl Jam For Next Year's SB HT - 10 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0c8a5a36517a6476?hl=en
* Super Bowl Odds - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e4b1e568ee8f7f05?hl=en
* What the Saints have that the Jets dont... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8bf15d8278571b5d?hl=en
* Peyton is better than Brady? - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2443a8762013e97a?hl=en
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TOPIC: Playing to Win
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/a80fea6560cc6c8b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:42 pm
From: Michael
On Feb 10, 3:50 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:52:50 -0500, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> >Contrary to many reports I have read, there was no turning point or one
> >key play in this game.
>
> >The Saints played to win the entire game. The Colts played not to lose.
>
> >The Saints went all in and tried for TD on 4th and 1.
>
> >The Colts ran the ball three times and gave the Saints the three points
> >anyway.
>
> >The Colts played conservatively at the end of the first half knowing the
> >they were getting the ball back.
>
> >The Saints said no way.
>
> >Those who think going for a long FG cost the Colts the game had to think
> >the onsides kick was a fatal mistake. Except, unlike the Colts, they
> >Saints made it because Caldwell and his coaches lacked the capability of
> >considering that a team would not sit back and try not to lose -- like
> >the Colts.
>
> >The likeliest result of playing not to lose remains losing. There is no
> >guarantee that playing to win will yield victory, but it did last night.
>
> >Caldwell played not to lose when he sat Peyton and others against the
> >Jets and Jills. He sowed the seeds of this defeat then.
>
> >harlan
>
> H- You know me about aggressively playing to win ;)
>
> As far as turning points, an obvious easy one is the onside kick.
> But I thought, the first half had two... both on the Colts.
>
> 1) Garcon dropped a pass that he should've caught, for a 1st down. I looked at a friend
> of mine, and we both said *the Colts are toast.*
> 2) Caldwell went passive after the goal-line stand. Payton went for it, Caldwell
> didn't... game, set, match.
>
> I've always liked Payton, going back to his Giants days.
>
> Tying it into the Jets... Rexenbaum has a unique opportunity to go for it.
> With the capless season coming, they can jettison Gholston, save millions, and move on.
> Doing so will take balls - - admitting quickly that he was a mistake.
> Of course, it's possible that VG could eventually become a player, but IMHO it's a small
> gamble & worth the savings.
> It'll be interesting seeing how they handle it... I'm hopin'...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
they should jettison gholston...and i thought drafting him was a good
idea... from now on, no more high risk players in the draft... trade
down unless there is a complete prospect instead of a "boom or bust"
type like gall-stone
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 6:47 am
From: Johnctx
buRford wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:52:50 -0500, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:
>
>> Contrary to many reports I have read, there was no turning point or one
>> key play in this game.
>>
>> The Saints played to win the entire game. The Colts played not to lose.
>>
>> The Saints went all in and tried for TD on 4th and 1.
>>
>> The Colts ran the ball three times and gave the Saints the three points
>> anyway.
>>
>> The Colts played conservatively at the end of the first half knowing the
>> they were getting the ball back.
>>
>> The Saints said no way.
>>
>> Those who think going for a long FG cost the Colts the game had to think
>> the onsides kick was a fatal mistake. Except, unlike the Colts, they
>> Saints made it because Caldwell and his coaches lacked the capability of
>> considering that a team would not sit back and try not to lose -- like
>> the Colts.
>>
>> The likeliest result of playing not to lose remains losing. There is no
>> guarantee that playing to win will yield victory, but it did last night.
>>
>> Caldwell played not to lose when he sat Peyton and others against the
>> Jets and Jills. He sowed the seeds of this defeat then.
>>
>> harlan
>
> H- You know me about aggressively playing to win ;)
>
> As far as turning points, an obvious easy one is the onside kick.
> But I thought, the first half had two... both on the Colts.
>
> 1) Garcon dropped a pass that he should've caught, for a 1st down. I looked at a friend
> of mine, and we both said *the Colts are toast.*
> 2) Caldwell went passive after the goal-line stand. Payton went for it, Caldwell
> didn't... game, set, match.
>
> I've always liked Payton, going back to his Giants days.
>
> Tying it into the Jets... Rexenbaum has a unique opportunity to go for it.
> With the capless season coming, they can jettison Gholston, save millions, and move on.
> Doing so will take balls - - admitting quickly that he was a mistake.
> Of course, it's possible that VG could eventually become a player, but IMHO it's a small
> gamble & worth the savings.
> It'll be interesting seeing how they handle it... I'm hopin'...
They can jettison Gholston but the cap hit comes home to roost in the
first uncapped year. Having said that if he sucks take the pain & send
the message.
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TOPIC: Same old Jets all over again
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6a48f96aeb19e482?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 4:40 am
From: Steve Russo
On Feb 10, 10:51 am, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Steve Russo" <srusso...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:34a71465-f16d-46ec-a210-cb98f3cec50c@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Feb 3, 2:06 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> Usually it is the Jets team that humiliates themselves. But now that the
> >> team has gotten halfway decent the morbidly obese excuse for a coach has
> >> to
> >> humiliate himself on behalf of the Jets.
>
> > You should read this before passing judgement. What would any of us
> > have done?
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/ycxthkq
>
> The better folks among us would have acted like a mature adult.
We might have a different definition of "mature adult".
While I would agree that simply walking away would have been the smart
thing, given Rex's stature as a public figure, I don't think his
comeback was out of line. When someone curses you multiple times and
spits on you, I would suggest flipping the bird is one of the more
mature things to do. Many would have attacked this person physically -
or at least tried to before being restrained.
At what point does it become acceptable to react? Cursing and
threatening? Spitting? Physical contact? I'm curious.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 9:41 am
From: Ritchie
On Feb 10, 10:51 am, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Steve Russo" <srusso...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:34a71465-f16d-46ec-a210-cb98f3cec50c@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Feb 3, 2:06 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> Usually it is the Jets team that humiliates themselves. But now that the
> >> team has gotten halfway decent the morbidly obese excuse for a coach has
> >> to
> >> humiliate himself on behalf of the Jets.
>
> > You should read this before passing judgement. What would any of us
> > have done?
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/ycxthkq
>
> The better folks among us would have acted like a mature adult.
Sometimes a mature adult has to strike back.
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TOPIC: HEY MIkE FRANCESA............THE GREAT MANNING THREW AN INTERCEPTIPN
AND LOST
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/df46803a5fd73c85?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 5:38 am
From: Double-Aces
http://www.stress-help.info/stress-articles/talking-to-yourself-using-your-mind-to-cope-with-stress/
<-----article about people who talk to themselves to relieve stress.
Note, the word babble can be used interchangeably with the word talk
in this situation.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 1:16 pm
From: "patrick_nyr"
"Double-Aces" <fishermans.cove@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:78345bcd-5bd2-4cb6-b214-e92237c600cd@g23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>I get it, you are frustrated and in need of a frustration relief kit.
> No fear, I provide them for free here.
> http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2386139230015278001gGDQXK
>
> PS. I am also the father, coach and manager of the kid who is
> currently leading the state of NJ in no hitters and home
> runs.....................but this is a football board, so I won't
> mention that.
>
> Chow
>
>
http://www.nj.com/hssports/news/baseball/index.ssf/2009/06/mike_trout_is_new_jerseys_fine.html
Is this him?
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TOPIC: Pearl Jam For Next Year's SB HT
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0c8a5a36517a6476?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 7:59 am
From: "JK Coney"
"raiderjet" <raiderjet@bigmailbox.net> wrote in message
news:cdd583f7-8a0e-4908-8302-a862602304c9@e33g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> There're the only ones worthy. Super "bowl" show every time. Totally
> awesome!
>
> Have any of you bros seen them?
When you think about it, isn't the SB enough hype? Who gets the glory,
the SB or the act? Does it pump up the ratings? Does a 15 minute medley
really make any difference to anyone, even big fans?
I vote for an oldies medley. 4 Seasons, 5 Satins, Little Anthony, Jay &
The Americans, all get wheeled out and do 1 shortened tune.
--
JK Sinrod
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 8:02 am
From: MZ
JK Coney wrote:
> "raiderjet" <raiderjet@bigmailbox.net> wrote in message
> news:cdd583f7-8a0e-4908-8302-a862602304c9@e33g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> There're the only ones worthy. Super "bowl" show every time. Totally
>> awesome!
>>
>> Have any of you bros seen them?
>
>
> When you think about it, isn't the SB enough hype? Who gets the glory,
> the SB or the act? Does it pump up the ratings? Does a 15 minute medley
> really make any difference to anyone, even big fans?
> I vote for an oldies medley. 4 Seasons, 5 Satins, Little Anthony, Jay &
> The Americans, all get wheeled out and do 1 shortened tune.
The more I think about it, the more the Pearl Jam thing doesn't make
sense to me. Eddie Vedder, the consummate anti-corporate voice,
agreeing to perform in the Super Bowl? On the brink of a lockout, no less?
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 9:58 am
From: Johnny Morongo
JK Coney wrote:
> "raiderjet" <raiderjet@bigmailbox.net> wrote in message
> news:cdd583f7-8a0e-4908-8302-a862602304c9@e33g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> There're the only ones worthy. Super "bowl" show every time. Totally
>> awesome!
>>
>> Have any of you bros seen them?
>
>
> When you think about it, isn't the SB enough hype? Who gets the glory,
> the SB or the act? Does it pump up the ratings? Does a 15 minute medley
> really make any difference to anyone, even big fans?
> I vote for an oldies medley. 4 Seasons, 5 Satins, Little Anthony, Jay &
> The Americans, all get wheeled out and do 1 shortened tune.
>
>
I read somewhere the other day that following the past eight or ten
Super Bowls the group that appeared had a very significant spike in the
sales of their music and paraphernalia. If true, is there any wonder
these gray eminences continue to appear?
And, BTW, your list of oldies stars ain't so old. ;)
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 12:09 pm
From: Michael
On Feb 11, 10:59 am, "JK Coney" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "raiderjet" <raider...@bigmailbox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:cdd583f7-8a0e-4908-8302-a862602304c9@e33g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > There're the only ones worthy. Super "bowl" show every time. Totally
> > awesome!
>
> > Have any of you bros seen them?
>
> When you think about it, isn't the SB enough hype? Who gets the glory,
> the SB or the act? Does it pump up the ratings? Does a 15 minute medley
> really make any difference to anyone, even big fans?
> I vote for an oldies medley. 4 Seasons, 5 Satins, Little Anthony, Jay &
> The Americans, all get wheeled out and do 1 shortened tune.
>
> --
> JK Sinrodwww.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
speaking of oldies...
i remember jet games from the days at shea stadium... they had a band
shell there with a full orchestra... that was awesome... swing, hot
jazz and so on... much MUCH better than hearing "hells bells" or
"welcome to the jungle" or some other over played glorification of
violence rock song ad neuseum every fukin week. dont the idiots that
in charge of in-game entertainment know that people are sick of
hearing the same stupid ass stuff over and over ???
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 12:36 pm
From: Michael
On Feb 8, 11:29 pm, raiderjet <raider...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:
> There're the only ones worthy. Super "bowl" show every time. Totally
> awesome!
>
> Have any of you bros seen them?
forgot to add... i think they suck... i'd rather have a turpentine
enema then be forced to listen to that crap... that whole genre of
music is repulsive. the tv would go off for that half time show...
opinion of course...
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 12:47 pm
From: Michael
On Feb 11, 11:02 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> JK Coney wrote:
> > "raiderjet" <raider...@bigmailbox.net> wrote in message
> >news:cdd583f7-8a0e-4908-8302-a862602304c9@e33g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> >> There're the only ones worthy. Super "bowl" show every time. Totally
> >> awesome!
>
> >> Have any of you bros seen them?
>
> > When you think about it, isn't the SB enough hype? Who gets the glory,
> > the SB or the act? Does it pump up the ratings? Does a 15 minute medley
> > really make any difference to anyone, even big fans?
> > I vote for an oldies medley. 4 Seasons, 5 Satins, Little Anthony, Jay &
> > The Americans, all get wheeled out and do 1 shortened tune.
>
> The more I think about it, the more the Pearl Jam thing doesn't make
> sense to me. Eddie Vedder, the consummate anti-corporate voice,
> agreeing to perform in the Super Bowl? On the brink of a lockout, no less?
along with being a sub third rate musical talent, vedder is simpleton
and an buffoon masquerading himself as an anti-corporatist. in that
respect, he'd be a perfect fit for the superbowl media bonanza. he's
got an image that the heavies love to sell and he $hares their motive
with great enthusiasm. that shit stain isnt anti anything other than
anti find some real work.
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 12:49 pm
From: MZ
Michael wrote:
> On Feb 11, 11:02 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> JK Coney wrote:
>>> "raiderjet" <raider...@bigmailbox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:cdd583f7-8a0e-4908-8302-a862602304c9@e33g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>>> There're the only ones worthy. Super "bowl" show every time. Totally
>>>> awesome!
>>>> Have any of you bros seen them?
>>> When you think about it, isn't the SB enough hype? Who gets the glory,
>>> the SB or the act? Does it pump up the ratings? Does a 15 minute medley
>>> really make any difference to anyone, even big fans?
>>> I vote for an oldies medley. 4 Seasons, 5 Satins, Little Anthony, Jay &
>>> The Americans, all get wheeled out and do 1 shortened tune.
>> The more I think about it, the more the Pearl Jam thing doesn't make
>> sense to me. Eddie Vedder, the consummate anti-corporate voice,
>> agreeing to perform in the Super Bowl? On the brink of a lockout, no less?
>
> along with being a sub third rate musical talent, vedder is simpleton
> and an buffoon masquerading himself as an anti-corporatist. in that
> respect, he'd be a perfect fit for the superbowl media bonanza. he's
> got an image that the heavies love to sell and he $hares their motive
> with great enthusiasm. that shit stain isnt anti anything other than
> anti find some real work.
Tell us how you really feel
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 12:58 pm
From: Michael
On Feb 11, 3:49 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > On Feb 11, 11:02 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> JK Coney wrote:
> >>> "raiderjet" <raider...@bigmailbox.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:cdd583f7-8a0e-4908-8302-a862602304c9@e33g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> There're the only ones worthy. Super "bowl" show every time. Totally
> >>>> awesome!
> >>>> Have any of you bros seen them?
> >>> When you think about it, isn't the SB enough hype? Who gets the glory,
> >>> the SB or the act? Does it pump up the ratings? Does a 15 minute medley
> >>> really make any difference to anyone, even big fans?
> >>> I vote for an oldies medley. 4 Seasons, 5 Satins, Little Anthony, Jay &
> >>> The Americans, all get wheeled out and do 1 shortened tune.
> >> The more I think about it, the more the Pearl Jam thing doesn't make
> >> sense to me. Eddie Vedder, the consummate anti-corporate voice,
> >> agreeing to perform in the Super Bowl? On the brink of a lockout, no less?
>
> > along with being a sub third rate musical talent, vedder is simpleton
> > and an buffoon masquerading himself as an anti-corporatist. in that
> > respect, he'd be a perfect fit for the superbowl media bonanza. he's
> > got an image that the heavies love to sell and he $hares their motive
> > with great enthusiasm. that shit stain isnt anti anything other than
> > anti find some real work.
>
> Tell us how you really feel- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
ok...
the only thing that was worse musically speaking than the shit that
sprang up out of seattle was the bigger heap of shit that first sprang
up out of the minneapolis - st paul scene in the 80's. total
excrement in every respect. musically, socially...
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 3:15 pm
From: "JK Coney"
"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:4f7e3beb-6242-4937-b1ec-ee4262f04b5f@15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 11, 10:59 am, "JK Coney" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "raiderjet" <raider...@bigmailbox.net> wrote in message
i remember jet games from the days at shea stadium... they had a band
shell there with a full orchestra... that was awesome... swing, hot
jazz and so on...
We used to mock that band all the time. "fallin in love with love with
live everlasting.... that's love".
--
JK Sinrod
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 3:17 pm
From: "JK Coney"
"Johnny Morongo" <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote in message
news:X8qdnQf1YcC32OnW4p2dnAA@giganews.com...
> JK Coney wrote:
> And, BTW, your list of oldies stars ain't so old. ;)
I was trying to reach a bigger audience than if I was talking about The
Ink Spots, Bill Haley, The Cadillacs, and other assorted dead guys.
--
JK Sinrod
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
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TOPIC: Super Bowl Odds
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e4b1e568ee8f7f05?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 1:03 pm
From: "patrick_nyr"
Here are the Super Bowl odds for next year. 25 - 1 for Gang Green.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ys-sbodds020910&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 4:00 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"patrick_nyr" <mpprpp2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hl1rbp$ke4$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> Here are the Super Bowl odds for next year. 25 - 1 for Gang Green.
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ys-sbodds020910&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
I'd like to see the last year's predictions from this group. They have
Philly rated above the Jets...I think Philly is going to implode, they have
a cast of characters waiting to have something go wrong there and I don't
think Andy knows how to control them. Donovan may have had his last hurrah,
he just doesn't get it done and looks to be on the way down, not up. On top
of that, Vick does not want to be in the same role he was in this year.
They don't make a LOUD mess out of things the way the Jets do sometimes, but
it will be a mess. OMHO, Papa Carl
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TOPIC: What the Saints have that the Jets dont...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8bf15d8278571b5d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 4:10 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
news:va6dnRQl1aEX-ezWnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@giganews.com...
> papa.carl44 wrote:
>> "Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:fb1193fa-caac-4191-ab0e-f26f556385af@l26g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>> Obviously, Brees... But... That was not the reason the Saitns did what
>>> the Jets could not. And, no... It was not that the Saints had the
>>> better pass rush. I think the Jets hit Manning more than the Saints
>>> did. Even with the rookie qb Sanchez, the Jets still generated enough
>>> offense to win. The Sanits defensive backfield as a whole was the
>>> key.
>>>
>>> IMHO, the Jets priority in FA & the draft is DB, DB, DB.
>>>
>>> I'm also all but convinced that they Jets defensive scheme can still
>>> do wonders without big money stars on the defensive line so long as
>>> they maintain their level of quality at MLB and SS.
>>>
>>> What would your assessment of the Jets DB's be now ???
>>>
>>> Revis ?
>>>
>>> Lito ?
>>>
>>> Leonhard ?
>>>
>>> Rhodes ?
>>>
>>> Lowrey ?
>>>
>>> Strickland ?
>>
>> Revis is the best there is...as far as the rest go, you have to have
>> something to go to before you run away from any of them. This idea of
>> just getting rid of guys with no idea of who will replace them is nuts.
>> Let's see who becomes available, then we can have a discussion.
>
> Papa, thanks for the injection of sanity.
>
> Let's put things in perspective. Shepard & Strickland were both hurt all
> year. They both are better than any CB we have had since we shipped Aaron
> Glenn back to Texas.
Isn't it amazing how many really good players get shipped off to somewhere
else and become even better "really good players" ? Good teams recognize
guys they have that are good and find a way to hold on to them. There just
aren't a lot of the Revis type players out there. I live close to Philly.
A LOT of Eagles fans were really upset that Lito was let go, they liked him.
Philly fans can be nuts, but a lot of the blue collar guys I run into do
know football and they follow the team a lot more than most fans do when it
comes to actually watching guys and keeping tabs on them. Another
myth...when they find out I'm a Jets fan...I rarely get any grief, you just
have to know how to walk with the wolves and they leave you alone :-)
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TOPIC: Peyton is better than Brady?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 5:35 pm
From: Julio
Brady has been to four superbowls and won three, Manning
has been to two and won one, despite having a longer time
in the league as a starter. Brady beat Kurt Warner, Jake
Delhomme and Donovan McNabb, Manning beat Rex Grossman.
Manning couldn't do a thing until the rules change that
allowed his sensitive receivers to get off the line without
getting hit was instituted at the behest of Polian.
Right now, Eli Manning, who beat Brady, has as much claim
to the #2 spot as anyone.
J.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 5:50 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"
"Julio" <hoolio3sanchez@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:EOEM68HY40221.399375@reece.net.au...
> Brady has been to four superbowls and won three, Manning
> has been to two and won one, despite having a longer time
> in the league as a starter. Brady beat Kurt Warner, Jake
> Delhomme and Donovan McNabb, Manning beat Rex Grossman.
> Manning couldn't do a thing until the rules change that
> allowed his sensitive receivers to get off the line without
> getting hit was instituted at the behest of Polian.
>
> Right now, Eli Manning, who beat Brady, has as much claim
> to the #2 spot as anyone.
>
> J.
Brady 14-2 in the P.O.s
Manning 9-9 in the P.O.s
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 6:53 pm
From: Grinch
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:50:12 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"
<raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Julio" <hoolio3sanchez@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:EOEM68HY40221.399375@reece.net.au...
>> Brady has been to four superbowls and won three, Manning
>> has been to two and won one, despite having a longer time
>> in the league as a starter. Brady beat Kurt Warner, Jake
>> Delhomme and Donovan McNabb, Manning beat Rex Grossman.
The way you guys talk, boxing is more of a team sport than football.
At least we all now the boxer's cornerman and trainer have *something*
to do with the contest.
>> Manning couldn't do a thing until the rules change that
>> allowed his sensitive receivers to get off the line without
>> getting hit was instituted at the behest of Polian.
>>
>> Right now, Eli Manning, who beat Brady
"Eli beat Brady". ;-)
>> has as much claim to the #2 spot as anyone.
Yeah, and George Chuvalo had as much claim as anyonme to be #2 behind
Ali. After all, he lasted to lose a decision against Ali, while
Liston, Patterson, Quary, Ellis, Foreman, Frazier (twice) all got
knocked out.
>> J.
>
>Brady 14-2 in the P.O.s
>
>Manning 9-9 in the P.O.s
Tell me that Brady's record in the playoffs would be 14-2 if the Lions
had drafted him and I'll be really impressed.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 6:59 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"
"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:orf9n5t9t50psikn0mo529eiovl9v71ok0@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:50:12 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"
> <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Julio" <hoolio3sanchez@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:EOEM68HY40221.399375@reece.net.au...
>>> Brady has been to four superbowls and won three, Manning
>>> has been to two and won one, despite having a longer time
>>> in the league as a starter. Brady beat Kurt Warner, Jake
>>> Delhomme and Donovan McNabb, Manning beat Rex Grossman.
>
> The way you guys talk, boxing is more of a team sport than football.
>
> At least we all now the boxer's cornerman and trainer have *something*
> to do with the contest.
>
>>> Manning couldn't do a thing until the rules change that
>>> allowed his sensitive receivers to get off the line without
>>> getting hit was instituted at the behest of Polian.
>>>
>>> Right now, Eli Manning, who beat Brady
>
> "Eli beat Brady". ;-)
>
>>> has as much claim to the #2 spot as anyone.
>
> Yeah, and George Chuvalo had as much claim as anyonme to be #2 behind
> Ali. After all, he lasted to lose a decision against Ali, while
> Liston, Patterson, Quary, Ellis, Foreman, Frazier (twice) all got
> knocked out.
>
>>> J.
>>
>>Brady 14-2 in the P.O.s
>>
>>Manning 9-9 in the P.O.s
>
> Tell me that Brady's record in the playoffs would be 14-2 if the Lions
> had drafted him and I'll be really impressed.
>
>
who knows.
the Lions could use a QB.
do you think Manning would have his nmbers if he played elsewhere?
Brady has not been blessed with HOFers on offence playing around him.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 8:53 pm
From: Grinch
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:59:22 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"
<raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:orf9n5t9t50psikn0mo529eiovl9v71ok0@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:50:12 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"
>> <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Julio" <hoolio3sanchez@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:EOEM68HY40221.399375@reece.net.au...
>>>> Brady has been to four superbowls and won three, Manning
>>>> has been to two and won one, despite having a longer time
>>>> in the league as a starter. Brady beat Kurt Warner, Jake
>>>> Delhomme and Donovan McNabb, Manning beat Rex Grossman.
>>
>> The way you guys talk, boxing is more of a team sport than football.
>>
>> At least we all now the boxer's cornerman and trainer have *something*
>> to do with the contest.
>>
>>>> Manning couldn't do a thing until the rules change that
>>>> allowed his sensitive receivers to get off the line without
>>>> getting hit was instituted at the behest of Polian.
>>>>
>>>> Right now, Eli Manning, who beat Brady
>>
>> "Eli beat Brady". ;-)
>>
>>>> has as much claim to the #2 spot as anyone.
>>
>> Yeah, and George Chuvalo had as much claim as anyonme to be #2 behind
>> Ali. After all, he lasted to lose a decision against Ali, while
>> Liston, Patterson, Quary, Ellis, Foreman, Frazier (twice) all got
>> knocked out.
>>
>>>> J.
>>>
>>>Brady 14-2 in the P.O.s
>>>
>>>Manning 9-9 in the P.O.s
>>
>> Tell me that Brady's record in the playoffs would be 14-2 if the Lions
>> had drafted him and I'll be really impressed.
>
>who knows.
>the Lions could use a QB.
During the Matt Millen era they coulda used more prayer. By the Pope.
>do you think Manning would have his nmbers if he played elsewhere?
No QB's numbers would be the same on a different team.
They don't stay the same on the same team as the team changes.
Namath was a world-beater when throwing to Maynard, Sauer, Lammons
etc, coached by Ewbank, on a team with a top D so he was usually
throwing downhill.
He was a bum when throwing to Eddie Bell, David Knight, Lou Piccone,
etc., coached by Charlie Winner and Lou Holtz, on a team with a Swiss
cheese D, so he was always chucking uphill. A bum!
>Brady has not been blessed with HOFers on offence playing around him.
No. And he never had passing numbers to match Manning's either --
until 2007 and the all-pro receivers showed up. Team changed, his
numbers changed.
But his team was the best team of the decade all along, and had a
better W-L record than Manning's team.
If one believes NFL payroll data, the QB is about 8% of the average
team. That means 92% of what his team does isn't him.
For QBs like Manning and Brady it's more like 15%, which still means
that 85% of what the team does is due to the other 52 players, not
them. Even in the Super Bowl, and in other clutch situations. It's
really not a mano a mano sport - that just sells papers.
But for anyone who likes QB W-L records, "this QB beat that QB",
Sanchez and Brady split 1-1 this year. They're equal!
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 9:08 pm
From: MZ
Grinch wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:59:22 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"
> <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:orf9n5t9t50psikn0mo529eiovl9v71ok0@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:50:12 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"
>>> <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Julio" <hoolio3sanchez@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:EOEM68HY40221.399375@reece.net.au...
>>>>> Brady has been to four superbowls and won three, Manning
>>>>> has been to two and won one, despite having a longer time
>>>>> in the league as a starter. Brady beat Kurt Warner, Jake
>>>>> Delhomme and Donovan McNabb, Manning beat Rex Grossman.
>>> The way you guys talk, boxing is more of a team sport than football.
>>>
>>> At least we all now the boxer's cornerman and trainer have *something*
>>> to do with the contest.
>>>
>>>>> Manning couldn't do a thing until the rules change that
>>>>> allowed his sensitive receivers to get off the line without
>>>>> getting hit was instituted at the behest of Polian.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now, Eli Manning, who beat Brady
>>> "Eli beat Brady". ;-)
>>>
>>>>> has as much claim to the #2 spot as anyone.
>>> Yeah, and George Chuvalo had as much claim as anyonme to be #2 behind
>>> Ali. After all, he lasted to lose a decision against Ali, while
>>> Liston, Patterson, Quary, Ellis, Foreman, Frazier (twice) all got
>>> knocked out.
>>>
>>>>> J.
>>>> Brady 14-2 in the P.O.s
>>>>
>>>> Manning 9-9 in the P.O.s
>>> Tell me that Brady's record in the playoffs would be 14-2 if the Lions
>>> had drafted him and I'll be really impressed.
>
>> who knows.
>> the Lions could use a QB.
>
> During the Matt Millen era they coulda used more prayer. By the Pope.
>
>> do you think Manning would have his nmbers if he played elsewhere?
>
> No QB's numbers would be the same on a different team.
>
> They don't stay the same on the same team as the team changes.
>
> Namath was a world-beater when throwing to Maynard, Sauer, Lammons
> etc, coached by Ewbank, on a team with a top D so he was usually
> throwing downhill.
>
> He was a bum when throwing to Eddie Bell, David Knight, Lou Piccone,
> etc., coached by Charlie Winner and Lou Holtz, on a team with a Swiss
> cheese D, so he was always chucking uphill. A bum!
>
>> Brady has not been blessed with HOFers on offence playing around him.
>
> No. And he never had passing numbers to match Manning's either --
> until 2007 and the all-pro receivers showed up. Team changed, his
> numbers changed.
>
> But his team was the best team of the decade all along, and had a
> better W-L record than Manning's team.
>
> If one believes NFL payroll data, the QB is about 8% of the average
> team. That means 92% of what his team does isn't him.
>
> For QBs like Manning and Brady it's more like 15%, which still means
> that 85% of what the team does is due to the other 52 players, not
> them. Even in the Super Bowl, and in other clutch situations. It's
> really not a mano a mano sport - that just sells papers.
>
> But for anyone who likes QB W-L records, "this QB beat that QB",
> Sanchez and Brady split 1-1 this year. They're equal!
W/L records are an oversimplification. Ray's point, I think, was that
Brady appears to be a better playoff QB than Manning. I don't think
you'll ever find a statistic to dissociate the player from the team, so
you'll have to rely a lot on observations. But I think you'd have a
very hard time convincing me that what you've seen from Manning in the
playoffs has been on par with (or better than) what you've seen from
Brady in the playoffs. Both have put up stinkers, but it seems Manning
has had more of them. Maybe he's simply faced better defenses in the
playoffs than Brady?
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