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Today's topics:
* "No sports mistake is supposed to be fatal" - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5e3c7e6891b8f805?hl=en
* Thor Hushovt - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae22d0cd85197888?hl=en
* Thomas Voeckler - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/16d0353f2e6262fc?hl=en
* I've found my Winter Olympics event! - 4 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0e7c7a74263fa539?hl=en
* Ricco shows what he's made of... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6596c4e4666796df?hl=en
* Gone to Dresden - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/40ae602bb6318fed?hl=en
* props where they're due - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dc7d2b05773e06a4?hl=en
* what movie is this from? - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e732411d2fd13c08?hl=en
* davey gets on his knees - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a4290e19926bae77?hl=en
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TOPIC: "No sports mistake is supposed to be fatal"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5e3c7e6891b8f805?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 12:36 pm
From: Revtom
On Feb 14, 2:15 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjwei...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Feb 14, 12:34 pm, cur...@the-md-russells.org wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:19:00 -0800 (PST), "b...@mambo.ucolick.org"
>
> > <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >No sports mistake is supposed to be fatal.
> > >A sports mistake may accidentally lead to fatality,
> > >but it isn't _supposed_ to be fatal. That would be
> > >gladiatorism, not sports.
>
> > Think you parsed the statement wrong. At the very least, some sports
> > mistakes are by their nature probably fatal. If the probability is
> > over 50%, IMO the statement is simple sophism. Having watched a few of
> > the new snowmobile sports where taking air is just the beginning of
> > the spectacle, I don't believe that the possibility of serious injury
> > and death is not part of why people watch. Flipping snowmobiles in the
> > air and say, "Gee, nobody expected him to die when he only made 180
> > degrees of the 360?"
>
> First, let's agree that parsing the Georgian president's
> statement very closely is probably silly because it was
> almost certainly translated. That said I'll do it anyway.
> Yes, I chose one of two ways to parse it, to make a point.
> "Supposed" is ambiguous because it implies intentionality
> but doesn't make clear whose intention. One obvious
> way is the way Mike parsed it, essentially "I don't suppose
> that any sports mistake should ever be fatal." Another
> is suppose as in the implication of an action, like
> "You were supposed to take out the trash" or
> "When you press the Prius brake pedal, the car is
> supposed to stop." One does not enter an Olympic
> event with the supposition that a mistake will _necessarily_
> lead to death.
>
> It's all about probabilities of risk. Course designers are
> supposed to design a course such that the consequences
> of a mistake are highly unlikely to be fatal, but, I admit, not
> zero. There have been fatalities in Olympic-type events before,
> if not at the Olympics (World cup skiing is the example I can
> think of), but they aren't common.
>
> If the probability of somebody getting killed is really high
> (IMO it doesn't have to be 50%, even 5% is extremely high)
> than I don't think it's sports, it's gladiatorial exhibitionism.
> Snowmobile jumping, for me, falls in that category, even
> more so than motocross.
> Motorsports are clearly a lot more dangerous than most
> other events. However, there are no motorsports events
> at the Olympics.
>
> Ben
The Olympics ask for faster, higher, and stronger. Great aspirations
for all of us, but the TV networks also want speed, danger, and
glamor. They regale us with back stories on the athletes, hype the
darlings of the various sports, and then go all mealy mouth when a
hyped athlete crashes and burns. Is Lindsey Vonn a sociopath because
she hid a (possibly) performance-limiting injury? No. She's a high-
visibility skier, with sponsors to satisfy, as well as records to
pursue. The Olympic ideal(s) were sold out decades ago; the Olympics
and their respective organizations are deeply corrupt, and not likely
to change when billions change hands around venues, TV networks, and
vendors/sponsors. It's a racket. People will get killed - either by
having construction trucks crush them, or by smacking into obstacles
on a course.
Tom
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 12:52 pm
From: Michael Press
In article <VuqdnWsrFJv23OXWnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Bob Schwartz <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > In sport, the game is to push those limits to the edge, and the
> > penalties for going beyond that edge have always been harsh. What would
> > we have to do to remove those penalties? Neutralize descents in cycling?
> > Where do we draw the line? How long before we see a reasonable dialog on
> > the terrible Luge accident as opposed to "shocked" sports writers who
> > relish the spectacle but not the potential outcome?
>
> Just curious Mike, have you seen the video?
>
> In cycling it is very common to put haybales in front of
> stuff like what killed the luger. In facilities that are
> purpose built for cycling, stuff like that doesn't exist.
>
> Preventing that death wasn't a particularly difficult or
> expensive task. It was totally unnecessary.
Without the struts the sledder has a better chance,
but a minuscule chance of escaping serious injury.
In 2006 an olympic snowboarder lost it,
fell on the course, hit only snow and died.
The sledder left the course at high speed.
The reason he left the course is lack of skill.
He got too high on the turn, overcompensated,
went down and into the inside of the turn.
The tangent to the inside of a turn leads where?
Answer: off the course. Don't steer into the
inside of the turn because the sled cannot hold it,
and will go off course.
--
Michael Press
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 12:56 pm
From: DirtRoadie
On Feb 14, 11:22 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "One thing I know for sure is that no sports mistake is supposed to lead to
> a death. No sports mistake is supposed to be fatal," President Mikheil
> Saakashvili told reporters Saturday.
>
> As tragic as the death of the luger was, and as seemingly-obvious the
> dangers of that track were, it's still hard to believe someone making that
> statement, and have it embraced by so many others.
I understand that statement to be a response to the bizarre
implication from some official sources that the competitor was at
fault or somehow not up to the task of competing. But even the
defending gold medalist crashed. Yes, the fatal crash was unusual,
maybe not foreseeable. But they have acknowledged an issue with the
track by making precautionary modifications. I don't think the intent
was ever that only the survivors would be entitled to medals.
DR
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 2:05 pm
From: Howard Kveck
In article <VuqdnWsrFJv23OXWnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Bob Schwartz <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > In sport, the game is to push those limits to the edge, and the
> > penalties for going beyond that edge have always been harsh. What would
> > we have to do to remove those penalties? Neutralize descents in cycling?
> > Where do we draw the line? How long before we see a reasonable dialog on
> > the terrible Luge accident as opposed to "shocked" sports writers who
> > relish the spectacle but not the potential outcome?
>
> Just curious Mike, have you seen the video?
>
> In cycling it is very common to put haybales in front of
> stuff like what killed the luger. In facilities that are
> purpose built for cycling, stuff like that doesn't exist.
>
> Preventing that death wasn't a particularly difficult or
> expensive task. It was totally unnecessary.
Or the airfence stuff that they're starting to use in motorcycle racing. You can
easily pad hard objects where speeding racers are going to impact. Admittedly,
sometimes people crash in unexpected areas but the officials can respond to that.
http://www.airfence.com/airfencebike.html
--
tanx,
Howard
Caught playing safe
It's a bored game
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 2:22 pm
From: Fred Fredburger
Robert Chung wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> "One thing I know for sure is that no sports mistake is supposed to
>> lead to a death. No sports mistake is supposed to be fatal,"
>> President Mikheil Saakashvili told reporters Saturday.
>>
>> As tragic as the death of the luger was, and as seemingly-obvious the
>> dangers of that track were, it's still hard to believe someone making
>> that statement, and have it embraced by so many others.
>>
>> Cycling, *all* motorsports, and (rarely but sometimes) high school
>> football, both American and European, and many others, have had their
>> share of "mistakes" that lead to death. We are, in our daily lives,
>> presented with endless possibility for mistakes that could lead to
>> our demise. We are expected to learn how to drive safely, how to ride
>> safely, learn & respect the limits of the equipment we use.
>>
>> In sport, the game is to push those limits to the edge, and the
>> penalties for going beyond that edge have always been harsh. What
>> would we have to do to remove those penalties? Neutralize descents in
>> cycling? Where do we draw the line? How long before we see a
>> reasonable dialog on the terrible Luge accident as opposed to
>> "shocked" sports writers who relish the spectacle but not the
>> potential outcome?
>
> Shorter Mike Jacoubowsky: "A sports mistake *is* supposed to lead to a
> death."
>
>
Even shorter:
"Life leads to death."
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TOPIC: Thor Hushovt
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae22d0cd85197888?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 12:38 pm
From: Michael Press
In article <u5rk47-u04.ln1@donaldm.homeip.net>,
Donald Munro <none@mailinator.com> wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> Thor REALLY wants to win the Tour this year. The question is - what position
> >> to you think he'll finish in?
>
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > The yellow jersey? Hushovdt? Not on the podium.
>
> I think Hushovt may have a chance as he is riding for the rbr virtual
> team with people like Deluca, Salvodelli and Ulrich in it. Thor Hushovd
> however has about as much chance of winning the yellow jersey as Asher
> has of nailing Liz Hatch. Dunno about Hushovdt though.
I predict that Phil and Paul will continue to mispronounce his name.
--
Michael Press
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TOPIC: Thomas Voeckler
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/16d0353f2e6262fc?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 12:40 pm
From: Henry
On Feb 14, 4:04 pm, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> It has turned out that Thomas Voeckler has been the guy that has surprised
> everyone. We all thought of him as some jerk who was riding in the same race
> with "real racers". Well it turns out that he is a pretty good rider and we
> ought to be respecting him a great deal more than we have.
something about Voeckler has always made me negative. Weird.
Nothing obvious springs to mind; he's never been connected to a doping
scandal that I can tell; works hard, plays fair, well liked, had the
yellow for longer than seemed humanly possible; I think it's that last
one.
Mind you, logic and evidence have never been needed here.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 2:20 pm
From: Howard Kveck
In article <671d475e-35cb-4e19-93d7-86af8aed62e7@k2g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
Henry <snogfest_hosebeast@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 14, 4:04 pm, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > It has turned out that Thomas Voeckler has been the guy that has surprised
> > everyone. We all thought of him as some jerk who was riding in the same race
> > with "real racers". Well it turns out that he is a pretty good rider and we
> > ought to be respecting him a great deal more than we have.
>
> something about Voeckler has always made me negative. Weird.
> Nothing obvious springs to mind; he's never been connected to a doping
> scandal that I can tell; works hard, plays fair, well liked, had the
> yellow for longer than seemed humanly possible; I think it's that last
> one.
>
> Mind you, logic and evidence have never been needed here.
I don't think there's been a mass of negativity toward Voeckler in here. There has
been some (you admit that you feel some toward him) but I don't recall it being
particularly overwhelming. He got into yellow by getting into a good break then held
onto it for a long time (partly due to his own tenacity, partly due to the peloton's
lack of interest in riding in a way that would grind his lead down). He didn't come
across as self aggrandizing after that. Probably the one reason people might have for
casing on him is that he was often held up as a good prospect for the overall based
on his time in yellow when he really wasn't that good. I think he is good, just not
*that* good.
--
tanx,
Howard
Caught playing safe
It's a bored game
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 5:17 pm
From: ilan
On Feb 14, 3:38 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 14, 4:04 am, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > It has turned out that Thomas Voeckler has been the guy that has surprised
> > everyone. We all thought of him as some jerk who was riding in the same race
> > with "real racers". Well it turns out that he is a pretty good rider and we
> > ought to be respecting him a great deal more than we have.
>
> A lot of people have respected him for a long time:http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x64s1a_mon-tour-de-france-par-thomas...
> The last part with his breakaway at the GP Pouay is impressive.
>
> -ilan
I'll have to find the video of him imitating his mother when she was
on the phone from Guadeloupe: "Congratulations my boy for winning of
the race to the yellow jersey" or words to that effect.
-ilan
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 9:20 pm
From: RobertH
On Feb 14, 1:40 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 14, 4:04 pm, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> something about Voeckler has always made me negative. Weird.
> Nothing obvious springs to mind; he's never been connected to a doping
> scandal that I can tell; works hard, plays fair, well liked, had the
> yellow for longer than seemed humanly possible; I think it's that last
> one.
>
> Mind you, logic and evidence have never been needed here.
I have been somewhat anti-Voeckler since he made all those ridiculous
fake orgasm faces when 'heroically' holding onto the yellow. Oh, the
suffering! Oh, the heroic effort! He was like some kind of crazy mime
out there with his ridiculous faces. You don't see Chavanel out there
making faces like that.
They should make a striped jersey and award it to the most mime-like
rider in the TDF. They should call this the Voeckler Jersey.
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TOPIC: I've found my Winter Olympics event!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0e7c7a74263fa539?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 12:42 pm
From: Henry
On Feb 12, 7:14 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Or rather, it found me.
>
> My lovely wife won tickets to the Women's Snowboard Cross event.
>
> That is the second-most crashy sport in the Winter Games, and there are
> female athletes (down, Bruce!)
>
> So, you know, woo hoo.
>
> PS: of course, my heart is really set on getting to the visually
> impaired biathlon Paralympic event.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
biathlon - has to be.
Hot, sweaty chicks with guns. Works on SO many levels :)
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 12:51 pm
From: Henry
On Feb 13, 9:31 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <_LadnTaNW6t4yevWnZ2dnUVZ_jKdn...@earthlink.com>,
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > =========
> > cycling in general or professional, either has many times more
> > participants and spectators than luge...I am just saying $104 M is a
> > hell of a lot of taxpayers money for an exclusive sport practised and
> > followed by a very few.
> > =========
>
> > I'm sure there are residents of San Jose, Encino, Kenosha, Trexlertown and
> > others that don't think it makes sense for their cities to spend $$$
> > supporting a facility that, by most standards, is under-utilized for its
> > expense. But we see the bigger picture, not a track that gets used a few
> > hours a day by a relative handful of people, but rather a key element of
> > support for an important sport & recreational activity. Fans of winter
> > sports probably feel the same way about the Luge.
>
> > Me? I'm waiting for the only *real* winter sport of the Olympics. Curling. A
> > sport where no expense is spared on facilities, I'm sure!
>
> Don't make jokes about curling, eh? The curling venue cost $40M, but
> will be converted to a combo of a hockey rink, swimming pool, and
> curling rink when they're done. The demand for pools is evergreen, and
> hockey ice-time is in notoriously short supply in Vancouver.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver_Olympic/Paralympic_Centre
>
> The urban legend going around right now is that there are about 110,000
> curlers in the world; 100,000 of them are Canadian. Major curling
> matches are televised live across the country. I briefly did some
> curling in high school, and my parents curled at one time (family legend
> tells of the time my mom fell on the ice while pregnant with one of my
> brothers. Good times!)
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
we even have it here
http://www.curling.co.nz/
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 12:55 pm
From: Henry
On Feb 14, 5:27 am, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "raamman" <raam...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c1aac0cc-76ae-4a8c-a43e-913192fc9825@k11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I happen to be Canadian, living and posting in Canada; but, taxpayers
> > money is taxpayers money, usurped by the government from the populace
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Go bitch about it to your government then. We at rbr have nothing to do with
> it. The majority of the people here are Americans
back up the bus a bit
I had no idea!
Septic's on my favourite NG ?
[]
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 12:57 pm
From: Henry
On Feb 14, 10:05 am, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article <NbadnWodoOy80OvWnZ2dnUVZ_sidn...@earthlink.com>,
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ==========
> > I appreciate your point, it is valid; but the winter olympics weren't
> > built on ad dollars, they are built on tax dollars, and the government
> > of the day piggybacks on that with their own advertising; our sport
> > can't even dream to recieve nearly that much in government support,
> > not just for an olympic game, but just as promoting cycling as viable
> > alternative means of commuting. But no need to spar back and forth,
> > lets just agree it is a big waste that we would prefer to see put to
> > better use helping people in need.
> > ==========
>
> > "Our" sport? which sport is that? Cycing in general or Cycling at the
> > Professional level?
>
> > The grand spectacle of the TdF, Paris Roubaix, even the bigger 'Cross races
> > wouldn't exist without the most-crass forms of sponsorships having been
> > involved. Think of it as resource allocation, and $$$ are the single
> > most-important means of allocating those resourcees.
>
> > But let's look at your other example... commuting. Until the (bike) industry
> > got involved, essentially "sponsoring" substantial lobbying efforts (of
> > which I am a part), we were getting nowhere. Low-cost critical mass events
> > had no effect on getting state & federal $$$ for safer roads to ride on or
> > vehicle code changes. It took a concerted effort by one of the biggest bike
> > manufacturers to get the industry together and contribute $$$ to all maner
> > of lobbying and promotional events, as well as being to contribute to
> > election campaigns.
>
> > Without those $$$ the best efforts of volunteer advocates and underfunded
> > local organizations weren't able to make much of a dent. But thank goodness
> > they exist, because they know the issues and work their tails off in a way
> > that's incredibly humbling to most of us in the bike biz. We go into the
> > offices of our Congressional Representatives on the 'Hill and feel like
> > we're window dressing next to their expertise, but they understand and
> > appreciate how much better their message is heard when there's money behind
> > it.
>
> I prefer to keep organizations out of bicycling.
>
> > Money *is* the root of all kinds of evil.
>
> Timothy I 6:10
> For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while
> some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and
> pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
>
> --
> Michael Press
The point being the 3rd word
I wonder how well translated it is from the "original"
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TOPIC: Ricco shows what he's made of...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6596c4e4666796df?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 1:06 pm
From: Henry
On Feb 14, 2:59 am, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> ...http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ricco-splits-with-girlfriend-rossi-ov...
>
> Now how messed up is this ?! That guy has real issues, doper, liar and
> now he can't even stand by the mother of his baby...
oh, c'mon!
this is PR in OD.
Anywho, doesn't CERA make your man bits not work ? He's Italian so
probably living at home with mum
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TOPIC: Gone to Dresden
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/40ae602bb6318fed?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 2:19 pm
From: Davey Crockett
"A. Dumas" a écrit profondement:
| I repeat, I'll enjoy a good drink when you decide to die.
Well at least Davey's going to die on his feet and fighting
Not on his knees like some poor brainwashed bastard who'd believe the
moon was made of Blue Cheese if some New World Order Liar told him a
couple of times and who stands sheepishly by applauding whilst his Bilderberg
indoctrinated government fill his country full of sub human turd world
scum, or elects an ape who'd rather play with his cock than salute when
the National Anthem is playing:
http://azurservers.com:6080/rbr/salute.jpg
--
Davey Crockett
-
Miss Europe, 2015
http://azurservers.com:6080/rbr/misseurope.jpg
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 3:55 pm
From: Amit Ghosh
On Feb 14, 2:00 pm, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr> wrote:
> I repeat, I'll enjoy a good drink when you decide to die.
davey's having a good time in dresden while he can though :
http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-12-01/1259702611570.jpg
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TOPIC: props where they're due
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dc7d2b05773e06a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 3:35 pm
From: bar
Danielson had a good ride up Mont Faron today and has bagged a top 15
place in an early-season race.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 3:38 pm
From: Amit Ghosh
On Feb 14, 6:35 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Danielson had a good ride up Mont Faron today and has bagged a top 15
> place in an early-season race.
dumbass,
the eskimo blood's an advantage in the cold.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 5:14 pm
From: Bob Schwartz
bar wrote:
> Danielson had a good ride up Mont Faron today and has bagged a top 15
> place in an early-season race.
Dumbass,
You can only use that troll once.
Bob Schwartz
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TOPIC: what movie is this from?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e732411d2fd13c08?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 3:39 pm
From: Amit Ghosh
On Feb 13, 3:41 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> Nobody likes a grammar nazi.
>
davey probably does.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 4:48 pm
From: ilan
On Feb 11, 10:23 pm, zencycle <zency...@bikerider.com> wrote:
> a picture posted on the Drunk Cyclist blog:
>
> http://drunkcyclist.com/2010/02/09/whiteout/
>
> Anyone know what movie this may have come from? I have a suspicion
> it's either german or french.
I don't know, but here's a movie showing stationary biking for women
who don't ordinarily enjoy it http://www.yuvutu.com//modules.php?name=Video&op=view&video_id=409982
-ilan
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 5:50 pm
From: z
Amit Ghosh wrote:
> On Feb 13, 3:41 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>> Nobody likes a grammar nazi.
>>
>
> davey probably does.
POTM
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TOPIC: davey gets on his knees
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a4290e19926bae77?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 4:15 pm
From: Amit Ghosh
http://tinyurl.com/5hqork
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 8:08 pm
From: Fred Fredburger
Danger, Will Robinson. Etc. Not work safe.
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