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Today's topics:
* The IOC should be grateful... - 11 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d4a24e01fa2449c8?hl=en
* Is Ryan riding or watching Sunday afternoon? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7eeaec5e432b5759?hl=en
* What's better than a silver medal in the non-special Olympics? - 3 messages,
3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a924947420892529?hl=en
* More Tennessee Genius - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c79ee8575314a9a6?hl=en
* omloop time, bitches - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6905599ced9cfab9?hl=en
* Inequity - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a0a163f4c9486db9?hl=en
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TOPIC: The IOC should be grateful...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d4a24e01fa2449c8?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 10:32 pm
From: Michael Press
In article
<a82a54f5-3e0d-4f64-86bd-1a6588170134@m35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Brad Anders <pbanders@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 7:40 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I swear, the Olympics are run by retards.
>
> Bob, you can't say that word any more.
>
> Brad "PC Cop" Anders
Hard to figure why calling somebody a retard is a
hanging offense. Ever think about the word? It is a
euphemism. Those kids are not retarded. They ain't
never catching up. You are doing them a favor with
retard. They are what is left after you make a pinochle
deck. But in these sensitive times simply skip over
`retard' and go for `feeble minded', or `brain damaged'
or `simpleton.' Or not. I ignore it mostly, except
sometimes. So, is there a safe word?
--
Michael Press
== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 12:28 am
From: Ryan Cousineau
In article <rubrum-98DC0E.22325326022010@news.albasani.net>,
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <a82a54f5-3e0d-4f64-86bd-1a6588170134@m35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Brad Anders <pbanders@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 26, 7:40 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I swear, the Olympics are run by retards.
> >
> > Bob, you can't say that word any more.
> >
> > Brad "PC Cop" Anders
>
> Hard to figure why calling somebody a retard is a
> hanging offense. Ever think about the word? It is a
> euphemism. Those kids are not retarded. They ain't
> never catching up. You are doing them a favor with
> retard. They are what is left after you make a pinochle
> deck. But in these sensitive times simply skip over
> `retard' and go for `feeble minded', or `brain damaged'
> or `simpleton.' Or not. I ignore it mostly, except
> sometimes. So, is there a safe word?
No, and if you follow the history, not only did "retarded" start out as
a euphemism ("imbecile," was one of several narrow classifications that
predated it), it's been one of several terms that have attempted to stay
out front of pejorative usage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_H._Goddard#Vineland
Thus retarded, challenged, special, different, and whatever other
euphemism is in current use will always become pejorative, as long as
what they're meant to describe is a person with diminished mental
capacity (another one!). The concept is inherently insulting when
applied to people of normal mental capacity.
Stupid is as stupid does,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 12:44 am
From: Ryan Cousineau
In article <hma6mp$8a6$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"KurganGringioni" <soulinthemachine@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> ps. p0wn the podium!!
What's that? I can't hear you over ALL THIS GOLD!
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 1:46 am
From: Donald Munro
Bob Schwartz wrote:
>>> I swear, the Olympics are run by retards.
K. Fred Gauss wrote:
>> Also, watched by retards.
Tom Kunich wrote:
> It didn't used to be that way.
>
I am resisting temptation; where are my brownie points ?
== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 1:41 am
From: Donald Munro
Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Before they get their undies in a twist over hockey
> players smoking and drinking (who would ever imagine!)
Dumbass,
The IOC representatives have stained undies.
== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 2:29 am
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"
"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:rcousine-E40CB4.00440327022010@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> In article <hma6mp$8a6$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "KurganGringioni" <soulinthemachine@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>>
>> ps. p0wn the podium!!
>
> What's that? I can't hear you over ALL THIS GOLD!
OWN THE PODIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!
== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 9:43 am
From: Michael Press
In article
<rcousine-0C6123.00284327022010@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <rubrum-98DC0E.22325326022010@news.albasani.net>,
> Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <a82a54f5-3e0d-4f64-86bd-1a6588170134@m35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> > Brad Anders <pbanders@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 26, 7:40Â am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I swear, the Olympics are run by retards.
> > >
> > > Bob, you can't say that word any more.
> > >
> > > Brad "PC Cop" Anders
> >
> > Hard to figure why calling somebody a retard is a
> > hanging offense. Ever think about the word? It is a
> > euphemism. Those kids are not retarded. They ain't
> > never catching up. You are doing them a favor with
> > retard. They are what is left after you make a pinochle
> > deck. But in these sensitive times simply skip over
> > `retard' and go for `feeble minded', or `brain damaged'
> > or `simpleton.' Or not. I ignore it mostly, except
> > sometimes. So, is there a safe word?
>
> No, and if you follow the history, not only did "retarded" start out as
> a euphemism ("imbecile," was one of several narrow classifications that
> predated it), it's been one of several terms that have attempted to stay
> out front of pejorative usage.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_H._Goddard#Vineland
>
> Thus retarded, challenged, special, different, and whatever other
> euphemism is in current use will always become pejorative, as long as
> what they're meant to describe is a person with diminished mental
> capacity (another one!). The concept is inherently insulting when
> applied to people of normal mental capacity.
>
> Stupid is as stupid does,
I do not mind people calling people retard when the
target has the capacity but does not live up to it;
though I do not use invective in that way: to say
somebody _is_ something that they are not; but that is
more a result of reading Alfred Korzybski. Maybe there
is something actually wrong with it. I do not know. If
there is then it is not a slight of the truly <current euphemism>.
Sometimes I will say that someone is _acting_ stupid.
--
Michael Press
== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 9:49 am
From: Donald Munro
Michael Press wrote:
> Sometimes I will say that someone is _acting_ stupid.
Ah, so we're all just acting dumbasses.
== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 11:16 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:09:48 -0600, Bob Schwartz
<bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
>Brad Anders wrote:
>> On Feb 26, 7:40 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I swear, the Olympics are run by retards.
>>
>> Bob, you can't say that word any more.
>>
>> Brad "PC Cop" Anders
>
>The discourse here is easier to take if you resort to
>doping. Ask Curtis about the bourbon-based protocol.
>
>Bob Schwartz
Besides,one of the nation's largest advocacy and (separately) largest
non-profit support organization for those less developed mentally uses
'retarded citizens' as part of their names.
Kind of like complaining, as some do, that using Indian instead of
Native American is no longer PC. You can take your complaint to the
Bureau of Indian Affairs on that one - the sinecure for politically
connected Indians.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 11:41 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:32:53 -0800, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>
wrote:
>
>Hard to figure why calling somebody a retard is a
>hanging offense. Ever think about the word? It is a
>euphemism. Those kids are not retarded. They ain't
>never catching up. You are doing them a favor with
>retard. They are what is left after you make a pinochle
>deck. But in these sensitive times simply skip over
>`retard' and go for `feeble minded', or `brain damaged'
>or `simpleton.' Or not. I ignore it mostly, except
>sometimes. So, is there a safe word?
Mental retardation is a diagnosis in many - probably most, but I don't
know - states in the U.S., so it can't get too non-PC. At one time
there evidently was a carefully calibrated system that used idiot,
mentally retarded, and a couple of other terms to indicate what level
of mental handicap the person had, but that was replaced by a
numbering system, either 4 (generally) or 5, also used for physical
handicap. A 4 by 4 would be a severely handicapped patient confined to
a wheelchair and unable to conduct basic body functions on their own
or any real level of communication - in our case, it was usually
severe stroke patients.
A level one, mental handicap only, probably only shows up when they
have odd or irregular behavior that brings them into the system.
So when you hear people that work in the system, you don't hear
references to idiot or retarded (at least, I never did), because they
are inexact. You hear references to 2 by 2's or 4 by 3's, because
generally, mentally handicapped end up physically handicapped, if by
excess weight if no other. And the reference is clear within most
contexts without further elaboration, unless you're talking about
physicians or social workers discussing treatment plans.
The numbers also lead directly to funding levels from the state and
feds, which I guess is pretty obvious.
The terms mentally handicapped or mentally retarded are used extremely
coommonly to refer to the population in general (most legislation in
the state of Maryland uses one of those two terms). It is non- PC only
when used directly to the person, which serves no useful purpose other
than to insult a level 1 or 2 handicapped individual. Since they are
often fully developed and have possibly lower levels for avoiding
violence as a solution, it strikes me as a poor choice of words for
several reasons.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 12:22 pm
From: Bob Schwartz
curtis@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> At one time
> there evidently was a carefully calibrated system that used idiot,
> mentally retarded, and a couple of other terms to indicate what level
> of mental handicap the person had, but that was replaced by a
> numbering system, either 4 (generally) or 5, also used for physical
> handicap.
The IOC is run by Cat 5s.
Bob Schwartz
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TOPIC: Is Ryan riding or watching Sunday afternoon?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7eeaec5e432b5759?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 12:55 am
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
Or will he still be hung over from partying with the women?
http://www.nbcolympics.com/news-features/news/newsid=448672.html#did+canadian+hockey+celebration
Should be a good game. Haven't decided whether I want to not know about it
and watch it later or not. Sunday's supposed to be our first nice day in a
while, so no way am I going to be seeing it live. Time to ride.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 6:59 am
From: "Tom Kunich"
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
news:ks2dnXBqJMicQxXWnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> Haven't decided whether I want to not know about it and watch it later or
> not. Sunday's supposed to be our first nice day in a while, so no way am I
> going to be seeing it live. Time to ride.
It would be nice if it were warm as well. Seems like I've been wearing
layers forever.
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TOPIC: What's better than a silver medal in the non-special Olympics?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a924947420892529?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 1:47 am
From: Donald Munro
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> I'm neither old nor wealthy by the standards of this
> newsgroup.
We have standards ?
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 2:29 am
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"
"Donald Munro" <none@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:n96n57-rq3.ln1@donaldm.homeip.net...
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> I'm neither old nor wealthy by the standards of this newsgroup.
>
> We have standards ?
Dumbass -
In order to be accepted here, you have to be a dumbass.
thanks,
Dumbass. presented by Gringioni.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 11:06 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:47:03 +0200, Donald Munro <none@mailinator.com>
wrote:
>Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> I'm neither old nor wealthy by the standards of this
>> newsgroup.
>
>We have standards ?
Maybe he meant memes.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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TOPIC: More Tennessee Genius
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c79ee8575314a9a6?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 7:23 am
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"
Wonder if Rick in Tennessee is related to this classy lady?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/02/25/international/i141753S99.DTL
Drunk mom allegedly runs through school with sword
Friday, February 26, 2010
(02-26) 11:48 PST Memphis, Tenn. (AP) --
Police said the mother of an elementary school student drank a 40 ounce
bottle of malt liquor before brandishing a sword in her child's school. The
woman, 32, apparently intended to confront the parents of another child who
had been in a spitting match with her child the previous day.
According to court records, an employee at Riverview Elementary School in
Memphis reported a drunk woman armed with a sword was running through the
halls of the school and had threatened to cut her.
Officers who arrived on the scene retrieved a black cane that concealed the
blade.
The woman charged with aggravated assault and having a weapon on school
property.
<end>
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 9:57 am
From: bar
On Feb 27, 10:23 am, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Wonder if Rick in Tennessee is related to this classy lady?
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/02/25/internati...
>
> Drunk mom allegedly runs through school with sword
>
> Friday, February 26, 2010
>
> (02-26) 11:48 PST Memphis, Tenn. (AP) --
>
> Police said the mother of an elementary school student drank a 40 ounce
> bottle of malt liquor before brandishing a sword in her child's school. The
> woman, 32, apparently intended to confront the parents of another child who
> had been in a spitting match with her child the previous day.
>
> According to court records, an employee at Riverview Elementary School in
> Memphis reported a drunk woman armed with a sword was running through the
> halls of the school and had threatened to cut her.
>
> Officers who arrived on the scene retrieved a black cane that concealed the
> blade.
>
> The woman charged with aggravated assault and having a weapon on school
> property.
>
> <end>
everyone's related in tennessee, bro
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 10:02 am
From: Donald Munro
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> Wonder if Rick in Tennessee is related to this classy lady?
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/02/25/international/i141753S99.DTL
>
>
> Drunk mom allegedly runs through school with sword
Sword ? Tennessee ?
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 12:13 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"
Donald Munro wrote:
> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>> Wonder if Rick in Tennessee is related to this classy lady?
>>
>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/02/25/international/i141753S99.DTL
>>
>>
>> Drunk mom allegedly runs through school with sword
>
> Sword ? Tennessee ?
Anywhere, really.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 2:22 pm
From: bar
On Feb 27, 3:13 pm, "K. Fred Gauss"
<Some...@Somewhere.You.Dont.Wanna.Be> wrote:
> Donald Munro wrote:
> > Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> >> Wonder if Rick in Tennessee is related to this classy lady?
>
> >>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/02/25/internati...
>
> >> Drunk mom allegedly runs through school with sword
>
> > Sword ? Tennessee ?
>
> Anywhere, really.
b-more: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2009-09-16/news/0909150076_1_samurai-sword-samurai-weapon-pontolillo
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TOPIC: omloop time, bitches
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6905599ced9cfab9?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 8:00 am
From: Amit Ghosh
On Feb 23, 1:07 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1. Freire
> 2. Pozzato
> 3. Boonen
>
> ...
>
> 79. Hincapie 9:56
dumbass,
wrong spanish rider, flecha attacked with about 20 kms to go and
soloed away.
hincapie rolled in while flecha was doing his post-race interview.
but that i was anticipating the most was the latest episode of the liz
hatch comedy hour. crash of course. hopefully there is video.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 9:40 am
From: bar
On Feb 27, 11:00 am, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 23, 1:07 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 1. Freire
> > 2. Pozzato
> > 3. Boonen
>
> > ...
>
> > 79. Hincapie 9:56
>
> dumbass,
>
> wrong spanish rider, flecha attacked with about 20 kms to go and
> soloed away.
>
> hincapie rolled in while flecha was doing his post-race interview.
>
> but that i was anticipating the most was the latest episode of the liz
> hatch comedy hour. crash of course. hopefully there is video.
yeh, i had no idea flecha was in any kind of shape. he was becoming a
bit like the spanish jacky durand ... glad he bagged one.
i hope liz didn't injure those two wonderful boobs.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 12:21 pm
From: heather
Amit Ghosh wrote:
> On Feb 23, 1:07 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 1. Freire
>> 2. Pozzato
>> 3. Boonen
>>
>> ...
>>
>> 79. Hincapie 9:56
>
> dumbass,
>
> wrong spanish rider, flecha attacked with about 20 kms to go and
> soloed away.
It was nice to sleepily read the live report on c.n. early this morning,
even if they did try to scald me with my own precious coffee at the end
with their results switchero. ("wait, what??")
h
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TOPIC: Inequity
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a0a163f4c9486db9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 11:11 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:26:58 -0800 (PST), Scott
<hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Even if a 25 yr sentence equates to a life sentence in this case, I
>wouldn't want a life sentence for an architect of genocide. Perhaps
>they should hook him up to an antibiotic drip and just hacking away at
>him with machetes, a little bit at a time, till he resembles the Black
>Knight ("its only a flesh wound"). Then let him bleed out.
>
>Keeping him in prison for the rest of his life is too humane.
Dunno. Been in our jails and prisons and have had subcontractors quit,
saying that if they were locked up, they would try to kill themselves
and seem to mean it. Been to a couple of max security state prisons
and one out of country and not sure 25 years there is humane in any
real sense of the word. I doubt we would be talking about a Fed
country club type prison.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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