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* Frame - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/46a86853a75ce918?hl=en
* almost had me going there - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b49ae84ca033402a?hl=en
* Vote for Fred - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1ec13e04998ba676?hl=en
* Paris-Nice 2010 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d0f54cb29d5b5a04?hl=en
* rebranding equipment... - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/276ccc4f0af1c8fe?hl=en
* Rock Racing UCI license - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae5b7afd17f37cb0?hl=en
* rbr scientific terms - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/112d7d276a6cac98?hl=en
* ForkSTRONG Bracelets are here and free to 'Influencers' worldwide - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ca9e6fc157464aa7?hl=en
* Exploding Frame and Fork Mystery Solved! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/96a8338a6991b0fe?hl=en
* A Field Guide to Sports Egos - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4b95cb9bbcf95a01?hl=en
* back pain - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/406ffaae7ce881df?hl=en
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TOPIC: Frame
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/46a86853a75ce918?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 12:11 am
From: Wilma Munro
bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
>
>> Definitely a Sunday club-ride bike. Seems like you
>> wouldn't want to ride it in the rain. Apart from the
>> water getting into everything, I bet the front wheel
>> could throw water right through the downtube into
>> your face, crotch, and aerobelly.
William Fred wrote:
> That's why you put fenders on something like that.
Crotch fenders could have various other applications. I wonder if they
come in carbon.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 1:09 am
From: "Fred K. Gringioni"
"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:rcousine-A3F432.20273803032010@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>
>> I'll bet that in our lifetime, we'll see some sort of iso-truss tubing
>> being
>> viable for bikes, but the concept's gotta be a lot lighter, not heavier,
>> in
>> order to compensate for the aerodynamic disadvantages.
>
> It's neat-looking, but incredibly stupid. It can never really be light
> enough to compensate for the aero disadvantage, unless they start
> aero-shaping the truss and wrapping it in cling film ("replace monthly
> for best performance"). Bike frames already are trusses, just at a more
> reasonable scale.
Dumbass -
It's theoretically possible to make that isotruss work with Buckminster
Fullerenes.
If they ever do the space tether/elevator, that's gonna be the material.
It's the only thing that's got the tensile strength to weight ratio. The
problem with it so far is no one's been able to create it at scales bigger
than nano.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 8:06 am
From: Sergio Moretti
On Mar 4, 12:27 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjwei...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 3, 9:27 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "KurganGringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I'll bet that in our lifetime, we'll see some sort of iso-truss tubing being
> > > viable for bikes, but the concept's gotta be a lot lighter, not heavier, in
> > > order to compensate for the aerodynamic disadvantages.
>
> > It's neat-looking, but incredibly stupid. It can never really be light
> > enough to compensate for the aero disadvantage, unless they start
> > aero-shaping the truss and wrapping it in cling film ("replace monthly
> > for best performance"). Bike frames already are trusses, just at a more
> > reasonable scale.
>
> > > One area where the concept should perhaps should be applied today is in the
> > > rear derailleur design, but once again, it's gotta be lighter.
>
> > Maybe not. The lightest read der remains the Simplex. Modern derailers
> > backed off in order to be more accurate (stiffer) and more reliable
> > (fewer delrin parts). Even now, when Shimano and Campy dabble in carbon
> > derailer parts, the weight is about the same.
>
> Dumbasses,
>
> I basically agree with Fred Cousineau, in fact I'd go a
> little stronger and say that regardless of the aero
> problems, an open framework "tube" is generally
> going to be at a disadvantage versus a regular tube
> in the bicycle frame application. It's for the same reasons
> why drillium is essentially extinct, even for chainrings -
> Campy skeleton brakes are the only exception I can
> think of offhand, plus a few stems with oddball cross
> sections that are done just to look cool.
>
> Rather than drilling a lot of small holes in a piece that
> leave it connected by tiny webs of metal, it's stronger to make
> the piece have its stress points connected by fairly solid
> pieces, and leave large open spaces in between. This
> is what a modern chainring looks like. It's also more or
> less the principle behind a traditional triangulated bicycle
> frame - you connect the important points with beams of
> moderately large diameter that are strong and stiff for their
> weight, and leave the spaces in the middle empty.
>
> In the case of frame tubes, they can be under a fair amount
> of torsion, especially the downtube. The most efficient
> shape for resisting torsion is a circular cross section.
> Anything more elaborate, like an I-beam or a box, is
> actually worse in torsion so you have to add metal/CF/whatever.
> If you try to make it as a very open truss, you have to
> worry about the thin elements denting (analogous
> to why you can't make super-light steel frames out
> of super-thinwall tube - they buckle).
>
> There are some structures that are way more efficient to
> build as trusses, like a power-line tower, or a spoked
> bicycle wheel for that matter. The tower has to be pretty wide
> to balance, and be stiff against side loads.
> If you tried to make it that wide and out of a solid tube it
> would be insanely heavy. Bike frame tubes have a different
> constraint. They are stiff enough when 2" or so, or less, in
> diameter. You could make a stiff and light structure by
> increasing the diameter and building it as a truss. But
> once you make a 6" diameter truss toptube, no one is
> going to be able to ride it except those goobers who have
> their seats too low and knees sticking out to the sides.
>
> The goofy Calfee frame that is entirely woven over with
> carbon spiderweb is a better analogy to a truss than the
> Delta 7 frame. The Delta 7 frame has its ass between
> two chairs - it's trying to be a truss and a traditional
> 3-main-tube diamond frame at the same time. That
> keeps it UCI legal but makes it cool looking rather
> than optimized.
>
> Ben- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ben,
I agree with your points, especially the final comment "...cool
looking rather than optimized".
BTW, it's very expensive too -- about $5000 (frame only).
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 6:30 pm
From: Amit Ghosh
On Mar 3, 11:37 pm, Fred Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And all the non-wood* bikes were less gimmicky than your example of
> maahble columns.
>
dumbass,
the show is all about pointless extravagance (marble columns), but in
the particular aesthetic of the beards, "townies" and microbrews
crowd.
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TOPIC: almost had me going there
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b49ae84ca033402a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 1:05 am
From: "Fred K. Gringioni"
"William Fred" <gcnp58@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D30A56C7D14EFkldeltaC@130.133.4.11...
>>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> Saddlebag of saddlesores gets me thinking of one of RBR's favorite
>> riders, Tom Danielson.
>>
>> When TD's about to drop out with his stomach virus/diarrhea, Ligget
>> could say he's reaching into his:
>>
>> 1) duffel of disease
>> 2) container of contamination
>> 3) purse of pestilence
>> 4) rucksack of rot
>> 5) pocket of plague
>> 6) vial of Vaughters
>
> Bidon of Boot
Dumbass -
How about this:
When Vaughters comes up with his next excuse for TD dropping out of a stage
race, they can say that Vaughters grabbed that excuse from his Douchebag of
Danielson.
thanks,
Fred. presented by Gringioni.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 6:27 am
From: "A. Dumas Fred"
Fred Gringioni wrote:
> When TD's about to drop out with his stomach virus/diarrhea, Ligget could
> say he's reaching into his:
>
> 1) duffel of disease
> 2) container of contamination
> 3) purse of pestilence
> 4) rucksack of rot
> 5) pocket of plague
> 6) vial of Vaughters
Backpocket of Bah.
Coffer of Convoluted Cock-ups
Chamois of Chagrin
Chest of Choking Cholo
Drawer of Dropsies
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TOPIC: Vote for Fred
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1ec13e04998ba676?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 4:51 am
From: "z, fred"
http://www.bikingbis.com/blog/_archives/2010/3/3/4470968.html
Colorado's bicycling Guv not the first to hit the pavement
Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter joined a special club on Tuesday -- "Pols Who
Love to Ride Bikes and Have the Abrasions, Contussions and Fractures to
Prove It."
Members include other governors, some mayors, and even a president.
Out riding with some friends Tuesday morning, Ritter apparently touched
wheels with the bicyclist in front of him and crashed to the pavement.
Spokesman Evan Dreyer said the governor bumped his head as well, but was
wearing a helmet. He'll spend several nights in the hospital for
treatment of the broken ribs and previously undisclosed separated shoulder.
We're glad that Ritter is OK. He's been seen riding at the Elephant Rock
Ride and has been talking to Lance Armstrong about reviving the Coors
Classic.
But Ritter is just one in a long string of elected officials who have
been injured in bicycle accidents.
Kneecaps and collarbones
Among mayors, it has been reported several times over the years that
Chicago's Richard M. Daley ripped the skin off his kneecap a few years
ago in a bicycle crash. Washington DC Mayor Adrian M. Fenty flipped over
the handlebars of his road bike on the Whitehurst Freeway in 2008 while
he was training for a triathlon and reinjured his foot.
The toll among governors is just as high.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry broke his collarbone just last summer when he sped
down a hill on a bike trail in Austin and, for an unknown reason,
flipped over his handlebars and landed on the backside of his right
shoulder.
Virginia Gov. Mark Warner suffered two broken bones in his right hand
while participating in the 2005 Bike Virginia. Apparently Warner was
holding his water bottle in his right hand as he approached some
railroad tracks and tried to slow down, braking the front wheel only
with his left hand.
POTUS
The most famous bicycle crashes, of course, involved President George W.
Bush on Mountain Bike One.
The first was in 2004 when he fell off his bicycle at his ranch and
grazed his chin, upper lip, nose, both knees, and right hand.
The most publicized, however, occurred during the G-8 summit in 2005.
According to excerpts from the police report, a detachment of police was
asked to close off an intersection while Bush bicycled to his hotel:
"As the President passed the junction at speed he raised his left
arm from the handlebars to wave to the police officers present while
shouting 'thanks, you guys, for coming'.
"As he did this he lost control of the cycle, falling to the
ground, causing both himself and his bicycle to strike [the officer] on
the lower legs. [The officer] fell to the ground, striking his head. The
President continued along the ground for approximately five metres,
causing himself a number of abrasions."
This series of accidents in the past decade may lead us to believe that
our elected officials are total klutzes when it comes to bicycling.
Well, I've had my own experience with klutzier bike crashes, and would
rather just chalk it up to bad luck. Let's just be glad these crashes
weren't any worse.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 7:26 am
From: dave a
On 3/4/2010 4:51 AM, z, fred wrote:
> http://www.bikingbis.com/blog/_archives/2010/3/3/4470968.html
>
> Colorado's bicycling Guv not the first to hit the pavement
>
>
> Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter joined a special club on Tuesday -- "Pols Who
> Love to Ride Bikes and Have the Abrasions, Contussions and Fractures to
> Prove It."
>
> Members include other governors, some mayors, and even a president.
>
> Out riding with some friends Tuesday morning, Ritter apparently touched
> wheels with the bicyclist in front of him and crashed to the pavement.
>
> Spokesman Evan Dreyer said the governor bumped his head as well, but was
> wearing a helmet. He'll spend several nights in the hospital for
> treatment of the broken ribs and previously undisclosed separated shoulder.
>
Several nights in the hospital for a few broken ribs and a separated
shoulder? What a wuss.
Any video of POTUS doing the faceplant?
- dave a
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TOPIC: Paris-Nice 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d0f54cb29d5b5a04?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 6:31 am
From: --D-y
On Mar 2, 7:51 pm, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Next Sunday Paris-Nice will begin. This year has more top level riders than
> most other years so it ought to be interesting to see what happens.
>
> Of course since it is so early in the season it will only be giving up hints
> about what the teams are going to perform as.
>
> Who are you thinking will win this year?
Hincapie.
--D-y
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TOPIC: rebranding equipment...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/276ccc4f0af1c8fe?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 7:10 am
From: Cicero Venatio
As the dollar drops, and the price of equipment rises, I see cyclists
buying more and more equipment from frames to shifters that are branded
Nashbar. But I also see them, in their shame, do some real clumsy
attempts to hide the nashbar logo on their equipment. Now a real man,
could care less, and sport the Nashbar logo with pride, noting it's not
the bike, but the man that is important. But in this new world of
fakes, frauds and poseurs, it is the brand of the shifter or the frame
that counts. I've even seen these poseurs even refuse to drink a store
branded soft drink, just because it wasn't a "Coke" or a "Pespsi." Has
madison avenue made everyone just incredibly shallow?
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 9:02 am
From: "rick-paulos@uiowa.edu"
Oh look at all the posers. Those that buy kit that advertises for
others. WTF? Are people so needy they must belong to a group? Really
advertising a pro team has long term benefits. Look at all the old
7-11, Postal, Motorola and so on you still see riders and fans
wearing. Worst yet are small local clubs that require members to buy
their own kit that advertises for the teams sponsors. This is so
wrong. Riders pay to pretend they look like dopers.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 6:22 pm
From: Amit Ghosh
On Mar 4, 12:02 pm, "rick-pau...@uiowa.edu" <rick-pau...@uiowa.edu>
wrote:
> Oh look at all the posers. Those that buy kit that advertises for
> others. WTF? Are people so needy they must belong to a group? Really
> advertising a pro team has long term benefits. Look at all the old
> 7-11, Postal, Motorola and so on you still see riders and fans
> wearing. Worst yet are small local clubs that require members to buy
> their own kit that advertises for the teams sponsors. This is so
> wrong. Riders pay to pretend they look like dopers.
dumbass,
where do you rank the rock racings - where the racers ride escalades
to the races (and get shaken down by the mexican cops) meanwhile
selling their kits on ebay to pay their cellphone bills.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 6:39 pm
From: Fred Cousineau
In article <QtednYl1xOP8UBLWnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Cicero Venatio <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote:
> As the dollar drops, and the price of equipment rises, I see cyclists
> buying more and more equipment from frames to shifters that are branded
> Nashbar. But I also see them, in their shame, do some real clumsy
> attempts to hide the nashbar logo on their equipment. Now a real man,
> could care less, and sport the Nashbar logo with pride, noting it's not
> the bike, but the man that is important. But in this new world of
> fakes, frauds and poseurs, it is the brand of the shifter or the frame
> that counts. I've even seen these poseurs even refuse to drink a store
> branded soft drink, just because it wasn't a "Coke" or a "Pespsi." Has
> madison avenue made everyone just incredibly shallow?
Dear Cicero:
People are hiding their Nashbar-logo shifters? That's, like, a branding
upgrade from Microshift.
--
Fred Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"It's despicable, but it works." -Fred Dumas
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 7:18 pm
From: "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org"
On Mar 4, 10:02 am, "rick-pau...@uiowa.edu" <rick-pau...@uiowa.edu>
wrote:
> Oh look at all the posers. Those that buy kit that advertises for
> others. WTF? Are people so needy they must belong to a group? Really
> advertising a pro team has long term benefits. Look at all the old
> 7-11, Postal, Motorola and so on you still see riders and fans
> wearing. Worst yet are small local clubs that require members to buy
> their own kit that advertises for the teams sponsors. This is so
> wrong. Riders pay to pretend they look like dopers.
Dumbass,
I'd rather have a hater mistake me for a doper or a poser,
than a poser mistake me for a hater.
Small-club riders should pay for their own kit. It's a
hobby or a pastime. If your team is so professional that
Cat 3s and 4s are getting free kit, then the sponsorship
priorities are messed up. Sponsorship dollars should
subsidize race entry fees, putting on races, discount/free
entries/kit/expenses for juniors, and communal club
expenses (gas money, etc).
Thank you for your attention in this matter,
Ben
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TOPIC: Rock Racing UCI license
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae5b7afd17f37cb0?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 8:55 am
From: "rick-paulos@uiowa.edu"
UCI President Pat McQuaid vigorously denied allegations that Rock
Racing's license bid failed for political reasons. "I don't know the
details but I would say that's pure bullshit," McQuaid said. "I wasn't
involved in the decision but that wouldn't be a reason. That's all
bullshit."
Okay, McQuaid is the president of the organization issuing the
licenses. How %^&*ing clueles is McQuaid?
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 1:10 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<rick-paulos@uiowa.edu> wrote in message
news:9a02e185-9a10-4355-88f9-b496b2c5c2f1@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> UCI President Pat McQuaid vigorously denied allegations that Rock
> Racing's license bid failed for political reasons. "I don't know the
> details but I would say that's pure bullshit," McQuaid said. "I wasn't
> involved in the decision but that wouldn't be a reason. That's all
> bullshit."
>
>
> Okay, McQuaid is the president of the organization issuing the
> licenses. How %^&*ing clueles is McQuaid?
Is it "political" to deny a license to a team that has become the equivalent
of the 1970s Oakland Raiders, hiring a crew of presumably-ex-dopers that
nobody else would take? Well, maybe. But what about denying the license due
to incompetence? Look at Michael Ball's quote in the same article-
"I'm sure there are a lot reasons why they didn't give it to us," he added.
"Probably one of the mistakes I made was to consider Landis on the team.
That really hurt our chances more than anything. I've learned more about
this sport and that there are a lot of politics and hopefully we'll be able
to get things right."
He's been at this game how long and he's still claiming ignorance to be an
excuse? This isn't about politics, it's about stepping out of Darwin's way
and letting things progress as they should.
In a parallel universe, Michael Ball would be an awesome DS for a Rollerball
team.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 6:19 pm
From: Amit Ghosh
On Mar 4, 4:10 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> "I'm sure there are a lot reasons why they didn't give it to us," he added.
> "Probably one of the mistakes I made was to consider Landis on the team.
> That really hurt our chances more than anything. I've learned more about
> this sport and that there are a lot of politics and hopefully we'll be able
> to get things right."
dumbass,
landis' involvement didn't prevent OUCH from getting a license.
ball is in love with the idea of having his own team but he wasn't
prepared for the shitty reality of it.
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TOPIC: rbr scientific terms
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/112d7d276a6cac98?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 10:56 am
From: Anton Berlin
On Mar 4, 12:59 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <hmnkp7$bi...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Robert Chung" <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
> > > Best discovery from reading that: "cretin" was the original
> > > kind-hearted euphemism.
>
> > This is better: "The etymology of cretin is uncertain. Several hypotheses
> > exist. The most common derivation provided in English dictionaries is from
> > the Alpine French dialect pronunciation of the word Chrétien ("(a)
> > Christian")"
>
> > BTW, "étouffe-chrétien" is a phrase used to describe a food that is so
> > difficult to chew and swallow that it could choke a Christian.
>
> To the OED!
>
> First appearance in English is recorded as 1779. I would not have
> guessed it was so late: "W. COXE in Ann. Reg. II. 92 note, The species
> of idiots I have mentioned..who are described by many authors as
> peculiar to the Vallais, are called Cretins."
>
> Here's the OED etymology:
>
> [a. F. crétin (in Encycl. 1754), ad. Swiss patois crestin, creitin:L.
> Christinum CHRISTIAN, which in the mod. Romanic langs. (as sometimes
> dial. in Eng.) means Œhuman creature¹ as distinguished from the brutes;
> the sense being here that these beings are really human, though so
> deformed physically and mentally. (Cf. natural.) So, according to
> Hatzfeld and Darmesteter, the Cagots are called in Béarn crestiaas.]
>
> If there is any other proposed etymology, it is not recorded.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
I have the complete OED at home and will check also.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 6:31 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
In article
<f2160d42-8296-4b95-8ea3-8bb067c5de4d@g19g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 12:59 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <hmnkp7$bi...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > "Robert Chung" <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> >
> > > > Best discovery from reading that: "cretin" was the original
> > > > kind-hearted euphemism.
> >
> > > This is better: "The etymology of cretin is uncertain. Several hypotheses
> > > exist. The most common derivation provided in English dictionaries is from
> > > the Alpine French dialect pronunciation of the word Chrétien ("(a)
> > > Christian")"
> >
> > > BTW, "étouffe-chrétien" is a phrase used to describe a food that is so
> > > difficult to chew and swallow that it could choke a Christian.
> >
> > To the OED!
> >
> > First appearance in English is recorded as 1779. I would not have
> > guessed it was so late: "W. COXE in Ann. Reg. II. 92 note, The species
> > of idiots I have mentioned..who are described by many authors as
> > peculiar to the Vallais, are called Cretins."
> >
> > Here's the OED etymology:
> >
> > [a. F. crétin (in Encycl. 1754), ad. Swiss patois crestin, creitin:L.
> > Christinum CHRISTIAN, which in the mod. Romanic langs. (as sometimes
> > dial. in Eng.) means 'human creature1 as distinguished from the brutes;
> > the sense being here that these beings are really human, though so
> > deformed physically and mentally. (Cf. natural.) So, according to
> > Hatzfeld and Darmesteter, the Cagots are called in Béarn crestiaas.]
> >
> > If there is any other proposed etymology, it is not recorded.
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> > "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> > "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
>
> I have the complete OED at home and will check also.
You'll be checking my copy-paste skillz. Taxpayers not only pay my
salary, they also give me online access to the OED.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
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TOPIC: ForkSTRONG Bracelets are here and free to 'Influencers' worldwide
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ca9e6fc157464aa7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 11:02 am
From: Anton Berlin
Hi guys,
I decided to give these away.
The glow in the dark feature of these bracelets makes it easy to be
seen should you wake up in the dark recesses of a road side ditch
hours after a spontaneous fork explosion.
If you have a local LBS where you can get a few of these bracelets to
people interested in supporting ForkSTRONG please post your name or
alias and the address of the LBS they can be sent in c/o.
Example:
Anton Berlin c/o
Richardson Bike Mart
1000 Coit Road
Plano TX 75093
Also post quantity desired.
Distribution will be based on total requested, geographic dispersion
with preference given to those that attest their loyalty and undying
support of ForkSTRONG.
(PS – Kurgan will already be an 'authorized dealer' for his region)
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TOPIC: Exploding Frame and Fork Mystery Solved!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/96a8338a6991b0fe?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 11:03 am
From: Anton Berlin
ForkSTRONG bracelets are now available see this post:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_thread/thread/ca9e6fc157464aa7?hl=en#
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TOPIC: A Field Guide to Sports Egos
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4b95cb9bbcf95a01?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 11:42 am
From: Mark
Any cycling entries for the narcissist or insane lists?
http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2010/03/04/a-field-guide-to-sports-egos/
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 6:34 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
In article
<4126f53c-b94c-4936-94d7-125397698b22@z4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Mark <msambors@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Any cycling entries for the narcissist or insane lists?
>
> http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2010/03/04/a-field-guide-to-sports-egos/
All of them?
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
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TOPIC: back pain
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/406ffaae7ce881df?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 4:04 pm
From: kwander
http://www.backpainpanacea.com
Most people turn to their doctors to find relief and to obtain varying
remedies for pain, but did you know there are dangers related to
common treatments that your doctor likely isn't telling you. That's
right. Your quest to eliminate your bad back and neck pain could be
causing you more harm than good.
Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, or NSAIDS, are one common remedy
for chronic back pain and neck pain. It is extremely common for
neck and back pain treatment seekers to pop a few ibuprofen or aspirin
in the hopes of finding pain relief. In some extreme cases, while
awaiting risky surgery, many people will embrace a treatment plan of
NSAIDS!
Believe it or not, the pitfalls of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory
drugs, as well as surgery, are staggering. According to a recent
article in Science Daily:
"The mortality rate from NSAID complications is higher than that of
serious diseases like cervical cancer and AIDS."
NSAIDs have been known as contributory to high blood pressure, stomach
and intestinal bleeding, ulcers, kidney and liver problems.
In fact, a study published in the American Gastroenterological
Association Journal stated that 71 percent of people who took some
form of NSAID medication for 3 months, a mere ninety days, or more
experienced problems with their small intestines.
These complications merely scratch the surface and are second only to
the untold complications a vast majority of suffering patients
experience after undergoing surgery.
You may be considering surgery if you suffer from sciatica, herniated
discs, as well as a host of other back and neck problem. Well, before
you go under the knife, you should know that there may be some serious
surgical side effects that your doctor isn't telling you about.
In the United States today, over 250,000 surgeries are performed each
year, and this number only accounts for lower back surgery. Many
health experts agree that most operations are either premature or
unnecessary and most operations are unsuccessful. Many people are
unaware of the dangers surgery can impose.
Consider this, Dr. Arthur White, a respected surgeon, states:
"I make my living on cleaning up the messes of other surgeons who have
operated prematurely with inadequate diagnosis and inadequate
training."
Failed back surgery syndrome (FBSS) is one of many issues directly
attributed to surgery. FBSS is a condition that culminates from failed
spinal surgery. Unfortunately, this problem is extremely common and
something the average patient hears little about until it's too late.
FBSS sufferers generally experience pain and mobility that is actually
worse than it was prior to surgery.
Whether you suffer from upper, lower, or middle back pain, neck pain,
sciatic nerve problems, herniated discs, neck tension, chronic pain,
or just general backache, there is hope for you that does not involve
expensive and painful surgery, and does not involve the use of
dangerous NSAID medications.
So, if you care about your overall health, and you're seeking a safer
and more effective treatment for your back and neck pain, you will
be pleased to know that there are many natural healing options
available to you, such as healing through targeted neck pain back pain
exercises, specific alternative treatments and lots more.
Remember, knowledge is power. When it comes to your neck and back pain
treatment, ask lots of questions and don't settle for unclear advice
or undergo treatment on which you've been ill informed. You only get
one body; embrace your power and protect yourself.
I got rid of back pain and sciatica etc. by doing some exercises which
focus on the primary causes. At least 3 top orthopedics had prescribed
spine surgery for my same problems.
It is up to you to decide.
K wander
http://www.backpainpanacea.com
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 8:28 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
If you can't spam effectively, don't bother spamming at all. Jeez, how far
do you expect someone to get before finding out what you're selling? You
lost just about everyone by the second (of 14???) paragraph! You didn't just
bury the lead... there was no lead to be buried. Even the closing paragraph
was weak.
Pathetic.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"kwander" <karamjit123@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:74d3ab8b-bed6-411f-81ae-d5d5a04418a6@b9g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
http://www.backpainpanacea.com
Most people turn to their doctors to find relief and to obtain varying
remedies for pain, but did you know there are dangers related to
common treatments that your doctor likely isn't telling you. That's
right. Your quest to eliminate your bad back and neck pain could be
causing you more harm than good.
Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, or NSAIDS, are one common remedy
for chronic back pain and neck pain.� It is extremely common for
neck and back pain treatment seekers to pop a few ibuprofen or aspirin
in the hopes of finding pain relief. In some extreme cases, while
awaiting risky surgery, many people will embrace a treatment plan of
NSAIDS!
Believe it or not, the pitfalls of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory
drugs, as well as surgery, are staggering. According to a recent
article in Science Daily:
"The mortality rate from NSAID complications is higher than that of
serious diseases like cervical cancer and AIDS."
NSAIDs have been known as contributory to high blood pressure, stomach
and intestinal bleeding, ulcers, kidney and liver problems.
In fact, a study published in the American Gastroenterological
Association Journal stated that 71 percent of people who took some
form of NSAID medication for 3 months, a mere ninety days, or more
experienced problems with their small intestines.
These complications merely scratch the surface and are second only to
the untold complications a vast majority of suffering patients
experience after undergoing surgery.
You may be considering surgery if you suffer from sciatica, herniated
discs, as well as a host of other back and neck problem. Well, before
you go under the knife, you should know that there may be some serious
surgical side effects that your doctor isn't telling you about.
In the United States today, over 250,000 surgeries are performed each
year, and this number only accounts for lower back surgery. Many
health experts agree that most operations are either premature or
unnecessary and most operations are unsuccessful.� Many people are
unaware of the dangers surgery can impose.
Consider this, Dr. Arthur White, a respected surgeon, states:
"I make my living on cleaning up the messes of other surgeons who have
operated prematurely with inadequate diagnosis and inadequate
training."
Failed back surgery syndrome (FBSS) is one of many issues directly
attributed to surgery. FBSS is a condition that culminates from failed
spinal surgery. Unfortunately, this problem is extremely common and
something the average patient hears little about until it's too late.
FBSS sufferers generally experience pain and mobility that is actually
worse than it was prior to surgery.
Whether you suffer from upper, lower, or middle back pain, neck pain,
sciatic nerve problems, herniated discs, neck tension, chronic pain,
or just general backache, there is hope for you that does not involve
expensive and painful surgery, and does not involve the use of
dangerous NSAID medications.
So, if you care about your overall health, and you're seeking a safer
and more effective treatment for your back and neck pain, you will
be pleased to know that there are many natural healing options
available to you, such as healing through targeted neck pain back pain
exercises, specific alternative treatments and lots more.
Remember, knowledge is power. When it comes to your neck and back pain
treatment, ask lots of questions and don't settle for unclear advice
or undergo treatment on which you've been ill informed. You only get
one body; embrace your power and protect yourself.
I got rid of back pain and sciatica etc. by doing some exercises which
focus on the primary causes. At least 3 top orthopedics had prescribed
spine surgery for my same problems.
It is up to you to decide.
K wander
http://www.backpainpanacea.com
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