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TOPIC: A lousy 4th
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:48 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hmvabt$gsn$1@news.datemas.de...
>
> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> news:harlan-B216D0.22485506032010@news60.forteinc.com...
>> The idea that the Jets would settle for a fourth round pick (the seventh
>> is a bad joke which should be ignored) for Rhodes is ridiculous. The
>> Cards get a starter who will be cheap and is locked up for years.
>>
>> If Kellen Clemens, Eric Smith, and Wayne Hunter are all worth third
>> round picks, Kerry is worth no less.
>>
>> I think this was a terrible move. I think getting of Kerry is fine. But
>> getting nothing in return is a mistake. For all of their luck with
>> fourth round picks, this was getting nothing.
>>
>> harlan
>
> OK, OK I see you wrote "the seventh is a bad joke which should be
> ignored" but it's still two bodies for one.
And that would be great if attendance at practice counted for anything....a
7th round pick is a walk on. It's a terrible deal. They get a starter and
the Jets get a huge question mark in a questionable round.
== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 5:40 am
From: Harlan Lachman
In article <hmvabt$gsn$1@news.datemas.de>, "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> news:harlan-B216D0.22485506032010@news60.forteinc.com...
> > The idea that the Jets would settle for a fourth round pick (the seventh
> > is a bad joke which should be ignored) for Rhodes is ridiculous. The
> > Cards get a starter who will be cheap and is locked up for years.
> >
> > If Kellen Clemens, Eric Smith, and Wayne Hunter are all worth third
> > round picks, Kerry is worth no less.
> >
> > I think this was a terrible move. I think getting of Kerry is fine. But
> > getting nothing in return is a mistake. For all of their luck with
> > fourth round picks, this was getting nothing.
> >
> > harlan
>
> OK, OK I see you wrote "the seventh is a bad joke which should be ignored"
> but it's still two bodies for one.
Only if the 7th makes the team, in 2011, and if there is football in
2011.
harlan
== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 5:43 am
From: Harlan Lachman
In article <hmvabt$gsn$1@news.datemas.de>, "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> news:harlan-B216D0.22485506032010@news60.forteinc.com...
> > The idea that the Jets would settle for a fourth round pick (the seventh
> > is a bad joke which should be ignored) for Rhodes is ridiculous. The
> > Cards get a starter who will be cheap and is locked up for years.
> >
> > If Kellen Clemens, Eric Smith, and Wayne Hunter are all worth third
> > round picks, Kerry is worth no less.
> >
> > I think this was a terrible move. I think getting of Kerry is fine. But
> > getting nothing in return is a mistake. For all of their luck with
> > fourth round picks, this was getting nothing.
> >
> > harlan
>
> OK, OK I see you wrote "the seventh is a bad joke which should be ignored"
> but it's still two bodies for one.
I just wonder if we would have had a higher pick by waiting until we
paid the $2 mil.
I would trade $2 mil for a third round pick over a fourth (even though
we have traditionally done better with our fourth round picks). At least
the 7th should have had escalation clauses to another 4th in 2011.
I suspect this was about power, money, and urgency.
I just hope the Jets don't panic and draft Taylor VG Mays or lose a
first or second round pick for their replacement.
h
== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 7:19 am
From: graybeard
On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:48:55 -0500 Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com>
wrote:
>The idea that the Jets would settle for a fourth round pick (the seventh
>is a bad joke which should be ignored) for Rhodes is ridiculous. The
>Cards get a starter who will be cheap and is locked up for years.
>
>If Kellen Clemens, Eric Smith, and Wayne Hunter are all worth third
>round picks, Kerry is worth no less.
>
>I think this was a terrible move. I think getting of Kerry is fine. But
>getting nothing in return is a mistake. For all of their luck with
>fourth round picks, this was getting nothing.
>
>harlan
I see Rhodes and Cromartie as very similar in terms of both physical
ability and mental attitude, yet we give up at least a 3rd and very
probably a 2nd for Cromartie, and get only a 4th and 7th for Rhodes from
Arizona, who needed a safety badly after losing Rolle. I thought
Tannenbaum was a better trader than this. San Diego could use a safety.
I think Rhodes and a 3rd day pick for Cromartie would have been a much
better deal.
--
graybeard
== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 8:02 am
From: Michael
On Mar 7, 8:43 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article <hmvabt$gs...@news.datemas.de>, "yoyodog" <NOS...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> >news:harlan-B216D0.22485506032010@news60.forteinc.com...
> > > The idea that the Jets would settle for a fourth round pick (the seventh
> > > is a bad joke which should be ignored) for Rhodes is ridiculous. The
> > > Cards get a starter who will be cheap and is locked up for years.
>
> > > If Kellen Clemens, Eric Smith, and Wayne Hunter are all worth third
> > > round picks, Kerry is worth no less.
>
> > > I think this was a terrible move. I think getting of Kerry is fine. But
> > > getting nothing in return is a mistake. For all of their luck with
> > > fourth round picks, this was getting nothing.
>
> > > harlan
>
> > OK, OK I see you wrote "the seventh is a bad joke which should be ignored"
> > but it's still two bodies for one.
>
> I just wonder if we would have had a higher pick by waiting until we
> paid the $2 mil.
>
> I would trade $2 mil for a third round pick over a fourth (even though
> we have traditionally done better with our fourth round picks). At least
> the 7th should have had escalation clauses to another 4th in 2011.
>
> I suspect this was about power, money, and urgency.
>
> I just hope the Jets don't panic and draft Taylor VG Mays or lose a
> first or second round pick for their replacement.
>
> h- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
No chance Jets will draft Mays... The SS spot is locked up by
Leonhard. If Mays puts on a few more pounds, he could be a good fast
but under sized MLB in a 43. If he stays in the SS positon, he'll be
getting carved up underneath cause he cant cover.. AT ALL. Undersized
43 MLB with speed or exra guy in a big nickle is what he'll be. No
chance to be on the field every play as a safety. So... Nop...No
worry about the Jets looking to replace Leonhard with Mays.
Now that we have Cromartie and need a FS... I'm thinking again abou
that FS from the Longhorns, Earl Thomas. He'd be perfect. Can cover
like a CB, and bashes into people like Ronnie Lott. Man, I'd LOVE to
get him. It would be like having three cover corners on the defense,
only one of them plays FS and hits like a truck. I cant help thinking
how perfect he would be for the Rex defense in the FS spot.
== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 8:24 am
From: Harlan Lachman
In article <harlan-F8F5DF.08401207032010@news60.forteinc.com>,
Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article <hmvabt$gsn$1@news.datemas.de>, "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> > news:harlan-B216D0.22485506032010@news60.forteinc.com...
> > > The idea that the Jets would settle for a fourth round pick (the seventh
> > > is a bad joke which should be ignored) for Rhodes is ridiculous. The
> > > Cards get a starter who will be cheap and is locked up for years.
> > >
> > > If Kellen Clemens, Eric Smith, and Wayne Hunter are all worth third
> > > round picks, Kerry is worth no less.
> > >
> > > I think this was a terrible move. I think getting of Kerry is fine. But
> > > getting nothing in return is a mistake. For all of their luck with
> > > fourth round picks, this was getting nothing.
> > >
> > > harlan
> >
> > OK, OK I see you wrote "the seventh is a bad joke which should be ignored"
> > but it's still two bodies for one.
>
> Only if the 7th makes the team, in 2011, and if there is football in
> 2011.
>
> harlan
Sorry to the reply to my own post.
20-20 hindsight (to my angst about the Kerry R trade).
The only way this trade at this time makes sense is if Lowery, Coleman
or Cole is the starting FS, covering deep pass routes and performs
better than did Kerry.
Perhaps the FO knew what we did not; that we had our starting safety on
our team for a lot less money. If that is the case, then saving the $2
mil is more palatable.
I don't see this as likely; but then, I am not coaching the team or D.
I sure hope this is the case because the apparent stupidity of the move
(getting so little in return) belies my confidence of the tenders and
cutting of TJ.
h
== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 8:33 am
From: buRford
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:24:10 -0500, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:
>In article <harlan-F8F5DF.08401207032010@news60.forteinc.com>,
> Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <hmvabt$gsn$1@news.datemas.de>, "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>> > news:harlan-B216D0.22485506032010@news60.forteinc.com...
>> > > The idea that the Jets would settle for a fourth round pick (the seventh
>> > > is a bad joke which should be ignored) for Rhodes is ridiculous. The
>> > > Cards get a starter who will be cheap and is locked up for years.
>> > >
>> > > If Kellen Clemens, Eric Smith, and Wayne Hunter are all worth third
>> > > round picks, Kerry is worth no less.
>> > >
>> > > I think this was a terrible move. I think getting of Kerry is fine. But
>> > > getting nothing in return is a mistake. For all of their luck with
>> > > fourth round picks, this was getting nothing.
>> > >
>> > > harlan
>> >
>> > OK, OK I see you wrote "the seventh is a bad joke which should be ignored"
>> > but it's still two bodies for one.
>>
>> Only if the 7th makes the team, in 2011, and if there is football in
>> 2011.
>>
>> harlan
>
>Sorry to the reply to my own post.
>
>20-20 hindsight (to my angst about the Kerry R trade).
>
>The only way this trade at this time makes sense is if Lowery, Coleman
>or Cole is the starting FS, covering deep pass routes and performs
>better than did Kerry.
>
>Perhaps the FO knew what we did not; that we had our starting safety on
>our team for a lot less money. If that is the case, then saving the $2
>mil is more palatable.
>
>I don't see this as likely; but then, I am not coaching the team or D.
>
>I sure hope this is the case because the apparent stupidity of the move
>(getting so little in return) belies my confidence of the tenders and
>cutting of TJ.
>
>h
Wouldn't Eric Smith be the likely replacement, on the current roster?
== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 8:41 am
From: buRford
On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:48:55 -0500, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:
>The idea that the Jets would settle for a fourth round pick (the seventh
>is a bad joke which should be ignored) for Rhodes is ridiculous. The
>Cards get a starter who will be cheap and is locked up for years.
>
>If Kellen Clemens, Eric Smith, and Wayne Hunter are all worth third
>round picks, Kerry is worth no less.
>
>I think this was a terrible move. I think getting of Kerry is fine. But
>getting nothing in return is a mistake. For all of their luck with
>fourth round picks, this was getting nothing.
>
>harlan
I read it's the 25th pick in the 4th... essentially a 5th rounder.
The Jets have a history of taking lesser, or no value, for players they want to dump.
Tanny's kind of baffling, at times. He makes some decent deals, but this one, unless they
have a deal lined up for those picks, is a head-scratcher.
== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 10:55 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-F8F5DF.08401207032010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <hmvabt$gsn$1@news.datemas.de>, "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>> news:harlan-B216D0.22485506032010@news60.forteinc.com...
>> > The idea that the Jets would settle for a fourth round pick (the
>> > seventh
>> > is a bad joke which should be ignored) for Rhodes is ridiculous. The
>> > Cards get a starter who will be cheap and is locked up for years.
>> >
>> > If Kellen Clemens, Eric Smith, and Wayne Hunter are all worth third
>> > round picks, Kerry is worth no less.
>> >
>> > I think this was a terrible move. I think getting of Kerry is fine. But
>> > getting nothing in return is a mistake. For all of their luck with
>> > fourth round picks, this was getting nothing.
>> >
>> > harlan
>>
>> OK, OK I see you wrote "the seventh is a bad joke which should be
>> ignored"
>> but it's still two bodies for one.
>
> Only if the 7th makes the team, in 2011, and if there is football in
> 2011.
>
> harlan
:-) Good point.....I keep hoping a year without the greed machine might
allow some alternative league to emerge...maybe one that actually plays
"football"
== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 10:56 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-600AF6.11241007032010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <harlan-F8F5DF.08401207032010@news60.forteinc.com>,
> Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <hmvabt$gsn$1@news.datemas.de>, "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>> > news:harlan-B216D0.22485506032010@news60.forteinc.com...
>> > > The idea that the Jets would settle for a fourth round pick (the
>> > > seventh
>> > > is a bad joke which should be ignored) for Rhodes is ridiculous. The
>> > > Cards get a starter who will be cheap and is locked up for years.
>> > >
>> > > If Kellen Clemens, Eric Smith, and Wayne Hunter are all worth third
>> > > round picks, Kerry is worth no less.
>> > >
>> > > I think this was a terrible move. I think getting of Kerry is fine.
>> > > But
>> > > getting nothing in return is a mistake. For all of their luck with
>> > > fourth round picks, this was getting nothing.
>> > >
>> > > harlan
>> >
>> > OK, OK I see you wrote "the seventh is a bad joke which should be
>> > ignored"
>> > but it's still two bodies for one.
>>
>> Only if the 7th makes the team, in 2011, and if there is football in
>> 2011.
>>
>> harlan
>
> Sorry to the reply to my own post.
>
> 20-20 hindsight (to my angst about the Kerry R trade).
>
> The only way this trade at this time makes sense is if Lowery, Coleman
> or Cole is the starting FS, covering deep pass routes and performs
> better than did Kerry.
>
> Perhaps the FO knew what we did not; that we had our starting safety on
> our team for a lot less money. If that is the case, then saving the $2
> mil is more palatable.
>
> I don't see this as likely; but then, I am not coaching the team or D.
>
> I sure hope this is the case because the apparent stupidity of the move
> (getting so little in return) belies my confidence of the tenders and
> cutting of TJ.
>
> h
YUP....me too. They are playing the financial whiz kid game with little
regard to what it will translate to on the field, OMHO, Papa Carl
== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 12:24 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:56:45 -0500, "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>news:harlan-600AF6.11241007032010@news60.forteinc.com...
>> In article <harlan-F8F5DF.08401207032010@news60.forteinc.com>,
>> Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <hmvabt$gsn$1@news.datemas.de>, "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:harlan-B216D0.22485506032010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>> > > The idea that the Jets would settle for a fourth round pick (the
>>> > > seventh
>>> > > is a bad joke which should be ignored) for Rhodes is ridiculous. The
>>> > > Cards get a starter who will be cheap and is locked up for years.
>>> > >
>>> > > If Kellen Clemens, Eric Smith, and Wayne Hunter are all worth third
>>> > > round picks, Kerry is worth no less.
>>> > >
>>> > > I think this was a terrible move. I think getting of Kerry is fine.
>>> > > But
>>> > > getting nothing in return is a mistake. For all of their luck with
>>> > > fourth round picks, this was getting nothing.
>>> > >
>>> > > harlan
>>> >
>>> > OK, OK I see you wrote "the seventh is a bad joke which should be
>>> > ignored"
>>> > but it's still two bodies for one.
>>>
>>> Only if the 7th makes the team, in 2011, and if there is football in
>>> 2011.
>>>
>>> harlan
>>
>> Sorry to the reply to my own post.
>>
>> 20-20 hindsight (to my angst about the Kerry R trade).
>>
>> The only way this trade at this time makes sense is if Lowery, Coleman
>> or Cole is the starting FS, covering deep pass routes and performs
>> better than did Kerry.
>>
>> Perhaps the FO knew what we did not; that we had our starting safety on
>> our team for a lot less money. If that is the case, then saving the $2
>> mil is more palatable.
>>
>> I don't see this as likely; but then, I am not coaching the team or D.
>>
>> I sure hope this is the case because the apparent stupidity of the move
>> (getting so little in return) belies my confidence of the tenders and
>> cutting of TJ.
>>
>> h
>YUP....me too. They are playing the financial whiz kid game with little
>regard to what it will translate to on the field, OMHO, Papa Carl
>
Well, I'm *hoping* they have some plan in mind.
We'll see how it turns out... but, they've just created a couple of holes we didn't have.
== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 12:28 pm
From: Ian White
graybeard wrote:
> I think Rhodes and a 3rd day pick for Cromartie would have been a much
> better deal.
There's not usually a lot left to pick from on day 3. ;)
--
Ian
== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 4:23 pm
From: graybeard
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:28:51 +0000 Ian White
<newsgrops_REM@OVE_ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote:
>graybeard wrote:
>> I think Rhodes and a 3rd day pick for Cromartie would have been a much
>> better deal.
>
>There's not usually a lot left to pick from on day 3. ;)
The draft is being held on 3 days this year. 1st round on Thursday, 2nd
and 3rd rounds on Friday, and 4th and later rounds on Saturday. Plenty
of picks left.
--
graybeard
== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 7:59 pm
From: Tutor
On Mar 6, 10:48 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> The idea that the Jets would settle for a fourth round pick (the seventh
> is a bad joke which should be ignored) for Rhodes is ridiculous. The
> Cards get a starter who will be cheap and is locked up for years.
>
> If Kellen Clemens, Eric Smith, and Wayne Hunter are all worth third
> round picks, Kerry is worth no less.
>
> I think this was a terrible move. I think getting of Kerry is fine. But
> getting nothing in return is a mistake. For all of their luck with
> fourth round picks, this was getting nothing.
>
> harlan
Rhodes was shopped. Everyone around the league is well aware that
the Jets staff, Pettine and of course Rex were less than pleased with
Carrie's softness and lack of effort. The few good plays he had
toward the end could not salvage him. There was no way that the Jets
were going to get more. Not with the half-effort displayed by Rhodes
since he got his big contract.
Harlan, this is addition by subtraction. Carrie Rhodes has just been
made into an example when you don't play to the level Rex expects on
defense. The impact of that goes way farther than having to fill a
hole at this position, which I have no doubt will get done. It sets a
clear expectation for effort and heart to play on Rex's team.
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TOPIC: FS: 1977-79 Sportscaster "Joe Namath and the Jets" Card
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 4:24 am
From: "j. r. sinclair"
1977-79 Sportscaster "Joe Namath and the Jets" Card
I have for sale the following 1977-79 Sportscaster "Joe Namath and the
Jets" Card. The card measure 4 3/4" x 6 1/4" is in full-color and features
a photo of Joe Namath and the New York Jets on the front and biography,
Records and Awards on the back.
Price $25. US plus postage
#03-20 Joe Namath "Joe and the Jets"
Please include your "postal mailing address" so I can calculate postage
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TOPIC: thomas jones released....HUH???
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 4:44 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-751BAE.18405005032010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <f1gro5l403lf1es438rs9fgnh44v3ratdq@4ax.com>,
> Grinch <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:07:23 -0800 (PST), Ritchie
>> <ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mar 2, 2:33 pm, Big Balls Billy <majjest...@news.com> wrote:
>> >> after his best season, he gets released. this is another asshole move
>> >> by management.
>> >>
>> >> big question is....who do you replace his production with?
>> >>
>> >> ONLY LT would satisfy me. tomlinson a jet...hmmmm.
>> >
>> >TJ was not practicing at full tilt during the season and his
>> >production dropped towards the end and in the playoffs.
>>
>> Will we be cutting Jenkins too?
>>
>> > Shonn Greene
>> >proved he can produce yardage and will be teamed with Washington.
>>
>> OK, Jones is gone.
>>
>> Washington is coming off a very bad injury. Who knows about him?
>>
>> Greene during the regular season last year had all of three games with
>> 12 or more carries. Yes, he had a couple of good playoff games
>> (though not the last one.)
>>
>> It seems they're dropping whole lot on him -- for what Rex says is
>> going to be a run run run to set up the pass team. What if he gets
>> injured -- can Leon carry the ball 25 times a game for a month as the
>> only RB? Greene's not a particularly big guy, can he average 20
>> carries a game through the whole season and playoffs too?
>>
>> Or maybe Rex thinks Sanchez has grown up and can carry the O with his
>> arm!
>>
>> Jones over the last two years had 2700+ yards, 27 TDs and carried the
>> ball 20 times a game. He also has been an asset in the locker room,
>> etc., the sort of player one wants on a team.
>>
>> I understand he's 32 and so must be expected to be on his downside,
>> and that the bonus was due.
>>
>> OTOH, it sort of looks like he earned the bonus, and this is an
>> uncapped season, so cutting him doesn't "free the team" to sign
>> anyone else -- unless Woody is feeling a $$$ pinch, in which case the
>> team is going to have other problems.
>>
>> For a "run heavy" team in "win now" mode, with no cap constraint, this
>> looks like a strange move.
>>
>>
>
> Let's see how it plays out:
>
> 1) We have $6 million in funny money to play with. That is what keeping
> TJ would have cost.
>
> 2) TJ might test the market and decide to settle for a loser team like
> Detroit or come back as a Jet for half of the six and have a chance to
> stay with his buds and win.
>
> 3) If TJ moves on for bigger bucks, there are several other available
> backs who were cut, hence the rule of 8 no longer applies so we may get
> someone better or at least cheaper.
>
> Paying six million dollars to an old, declining back-up seems stupid to
> me.
>
> Harlan
One question. Who did they give the ball to when the outcome of the game
was on the line? This kind of thinking is what continually kills the
Jets....all these "smart" moves.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 5:49 am
From: Harlan Lachman
In article <Oo2dnfjRGqRTAg7WnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> news:harlan-751BAE.18405005032010@news60.forteinc.com...
> > In article <f1gro5l403lf1es438rs9fgnh44v3ratdq@4ax.com>,
> > Grinch <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:07:23 -0800 (PST), Ritchie
> >> <ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mar 2, 2:33 pm, Big Balls Billy <majjest...@news.com> wrote:
> >> >> after his best season, he gets released. this is another asshole move
> >> >> by management.
> >> >>
> >> >> big question is....who do you replace his production with?
> >> >>
> >> >> ONLY LT would satisfy me. tomlinson a jet...hmmmm.
> >> >
> >> >TJ was not practicing at full tilt during the season and his
> >> >production dropped towards the end and in the playoffs.
> >>
> >> Will we be cutting Jenkins too?
> >>
> >> > Shonn Greene
> >> >proved he can produce yardage and will be teamed with Washington.
> >>
> >> OK, Jones is gone.
> >>
> >> Washington is coming off a very bad injury. Who knows about him?
> >>
> >> Greene during the regular season last year had all of three games with
> >> 12 or more carries. Yes, he had a couple of good playoff games
> >> (though not the last one.)
> >>
> >> It seems they're dropping whole lot on him -- for what Rex says is
> >> going to be a run run run to set up the pass team. What if he gets
> >> injured -- can Leon carry the ball 25 times a game for a month as the
> >> only RB? Greene's not a particularly big guy, can he average 20
> >> carries a game through the whole season and playoffs too?
> >>
> >> Or maybe Rex thinks Sanchez has grown up and can carry the O with his
> >> arm!
> >>
> >> Jones over the last two years had 2700+ yards, 27 TDs and carried the
> >> ball 20 times a game. He also has been an asset in the locker room,
> >> etc., the sort of player one wants on a team.
> >>
> >> I understand he's 32 and so must be expected to be on his downside,
> >> and that the bonus was due.
> >>
> >> OTOH, it sort of looks like he earned the bonus, and this is an
> >> uncapped season, so cutting him doesn't "free the team" to sign
> >> anyone else -- unless Woody is feeling a $$$ pinch, in which case the
> >> team is going to have other problems.
> >>
> >> For a "run heavy" team in "win now" mode, with no cap constraint, this
> >> looks like a strange move.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Let's see how it plays out:
> >
> > 1) We have $6 million in funny money to play with. That is what keeping
> > TJ would have cost.
> >
> > 2) TJ might test the market and decide to settle for a loser team like
> > Detroit or come back as a Jet for half of the six and have a chance to
> > stay with his buds and win.
> >
> > 3) If TJ moves on for bigger bucks, there are several other available
> > backs who were cut, hence the rule of 8 no longer applies so we may get
> > someone better or at least cheaper.
> >
> > Paying six million dollars to an old, declining back-up seems stupid to
> > me.
> >
> > Harlan
>
> One question. Who did they give the ball to when the outcome of the game
> was on the line? This kind of thinking is what continually kills the
> Jets....all these "smart" moves.
Papa, since the answer to your question is not on the roster right now,
it is really a straw man fallacy. No response is possible or necessary.
Were the season to start in a month, I too would be concerned.
Let's see how this plays out.
Right now, it looks like we could lose Leon and TJ, the tandem that made
the Jets a running threat. All we have to show for it now is a six
million dollar savings and not having to deal with Leon's stupid agent.
If we lose them both and only save money, although I don't see how we
lose the second round pick, I will agree with you. OTOH, FA is not over,
the draft is not over, and the trading season is not over.
After the draft, I may agree with you. But, for now, I like both of
these moves. A lot.
Harlan
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TOPIC: This puts Cromartie with a clean slate...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 8:30 am
From: buRford
On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:24:37 -0500, buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:10:43 -0500, graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:26:58 -0500 buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On a different note... as for dates, when will we know that the Jets are sticking with
>>>Gholston, rather than cutting their losses?? Is there some kind of deadline?
>>
>>Both Tannenbaum and Ryan have already announced that Gholston is getting
>>another chance. The following was reported by several sources a couple
>>of weeks ago:
>>
>>"I think that is an accurate statement," said Ryan Saturday at the NFL
>>Combine in Indianapolis when asked if 2010 is a make-or-break season for
>>Gholston.
>>
>>"Generally by the third year, you got to see a guy really making strides
>>and I expect Vernon to really make strides this year."
>>
>>Tannenbaum has also said recently that Kerry Rhodes will be back with
>>the Jets.
>
>Kinda sad that they'd rather play dumb for another year, as opposed to accepting the
>opportunity given to them by the uncapped year. Hopefully, they've seen something lost on
>me ;)
>As for Rhodes, I think his possible departure was a non-story concocted by the media.
Ummm... so much for that ;)
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 9:36 am
From: graybeard
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:30:28 -0500 buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:10:43 -0500, graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>...
>>>Tannenbaum has also said recently that Kerry Rhodes will be back with
>>>the Jets.
>>...
>><buRford replied>As for Rhodes, I think his possible departure was a non-story concocted by the media.
>
>Ummm... so much for that ;)
Well, all I can say about Tannenbaum is, "Liar, liar, pants on fire!"
--
graybeard
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TOPIC: Cardinals fans think they fleeced us.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 9:54 am
From: graybeard
And almost unanimously believe Rhodes is an upgrade over Rolle.
http://tinyurl.com/ylz6e52
--
graybeard
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 12:25 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:54:34 -0500, graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>And almost unanimously believe Rhodes is an upgrade over Rolle.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/ylz6e52
I suspect most Jets fans agree with them ;(
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 7:49 pm
From: Tutor
On Mar 7, 3:25 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:54:34 -0500, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >And almost unanimously believe Rhodes is an upgrade over Rolle.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/ylz6e52
>
> I suspect most Jets fans agree with them ;(
You think? Reading the Jets message boards it feels like a 3:1, maybe
4:1 approval of shipping Carrie off to Arizona.
My guess is that the decison to dump Rhodes was made a long time ago.
He didn't get along t with the staff and the Rex's staff were very
disappointed in his work ethic and performance. Rhodes was out of
here no matter what. And for the record, I would rather have Rolle and
a 3rd rounder than Rhodes. Unfortunatley, we only got the 3rd
rounder.
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TOPIC: Revis, Cromartie, and SHARPER!
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 5:08 pm
From: "JK Coney"
In the works I hear. Has there ever been a D-backfield like it?
--
JK Sinrod
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 5:50 pm
From: Johnny Morongo
JK Coney wrote:
> In the works I hear. Has there ever been a D-backfield like it?
>
>
At 34 (35 midway through next season) I'm not really interested,
especially if he costs anything like a draft pick.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 7:45 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:50:34 -0800, Johnny Morongo <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com>
wrote:
>JK Coney wrote:
>> In the works I hear. Has there ever been a D-backfield like it?
>>
>>
>
>At 34 (35 midway through next season) I'm not really interested,
>especially if he costs anything like a draft pick.
Damn... I had you pegged for at least 40.
Was I way off-base with all the Gramps remarks.
I still don't get why your age, has any relevance to us getting Sharper ;)
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