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* Tirreno Adriatico, stage 5 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Tucson? - 10 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8ee9c65d8ea07c52?hl=en
* amateur racing karma follies - 1 messages, 1 author
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* The great helmet debate evolves - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Go Theo Bos! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3b351ae020c6062c?hl=en
* Sad situation - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* rbr scientific terms - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Livedrunk? Or just a coincidence? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Tirreno Adriatico, stage 6 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Versus back on Direct TV - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Buteyko - 2 messages, 1 author
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* rebranding equipment... - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Tirreno Adriatico, stage 5 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/62a542a26f25c7ae?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 14 2010 11:54 pm
From: Amit Ghosh
On Mar 14, 6:39 pm, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Top 3 and favourites standings :
> > 1 Michele Scarponi 23.40.44
> > 2 Stefano Garzelli 0.10
> > 3 Maxim Iglinskiy 0.15
> > 4 Cadel Evans 0.18
> > 5 Robert Gesink 0.27
>
> Isn't Cadel the best TTer in that group?
dumbass,
good observation, though nibali is well placed too.
too bad there isn't a TT in the race.
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TOPIC: Tucson?
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 3:10 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:55:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott
<hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Just spoke with a friend who was riding in the cat 2 race, and from
>the description of the finish line area as he explained it, they put
>the finish line in a new spot this year in what was arguably the worst
>spot on practically the entire loop. He (my friend) was in the
>breakaway and sprinting for bonus points on one of the laps and topped
>out at over 50mph due to the severity of the downhill at that point.
>No surprise that the cat 4s had problems with that finish.
What the hell was the CR doing before the race? That not only makes
for a bad finish, it makes the whole officiating of the finish that
much harder. OTOH, putting the finish line at the top of a 15% grade
and you can take the finishers down in long hand with no camera and
hand the list to the last racer across to post on the bulletin
board...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 7:53 am
From: Fred Flintstein
curtis@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:55:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott
> <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just spoke with a friend who was riding in the cat 2 race, and from
>> the description of the finish line area as he explained it, they put
>> the finish line in a new spot this year in what was arguably the worst
>> spot on practically the entire loop. He (my friend) was in the
>> breakaway and sprinting for bonus points on one of the laps and topped
>> out at over 50mph due to the severity of the downhill at that point.
>> No surprise that the cat 4s had problems with that finish.
>
> What the hell was the CR doing before the race? That not only makes
> for a bad finish, it makes the whole officiating of the finish that
> much harder. OTOH, putting the finish line at the top of a 15% grade
> and you can take the finishers down in long hand with no camera and
> hand the list to the last racer across to post on the bulletin
> board...
http://www.tucsonbicycleclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/TBC-Communique-2v2.pdf
Interesting reading.
Fred Flintstein
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 8:11 am
From: Fred Flintstein
curtis@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:55:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott
> <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just spoke with a friend who was riding in the cat 2 race, and from
>> the description of the finish line area as he explained it, they put
>> the finish line in a new spot this year in what was arguably the worst
>> spot on practically the entire loop. He (my friend) was in the
>> breakaway and sprinting for bonus points on one of the laps and topped
>> out at over 50mph due to the severity of the downhill at that point.
>> No surprise that the cat 4s had problems with that finish.
>
> What the hell was the CR doing before the race? That not only makes
> for a bad finish, it makes the whole officiating of the finish that
> much harder. OTOH, putting the finish line at the top of a 15% grade
> and you can take the finishers down in long hand with no camera and
> hand the list to the last racer across to post on the bulletin
> board...
I was involved in the planning for a race that had inline skate
events along with the bike races. The event organizer had hired
a chip timer, and had forgotten where the finish line was supposed
to go. So she asked the skaters who told her to give them the
longest finishing straight possible, set the finish up right in
front of the hay bales closing the road at the first turn.
When I arrived I immediately noticed that riders would be sprinting
into hay bales. When I brought that up with the timer he said
that he set it up where he was told and it'd take two hours to
move the mats. Which would totally hose the road closure time
frame.
We ended up moving the hay bales which allowed riders to sprint
into a road that was empty since it didn't go anywhere anymore
because of the race. The timer declared that he would never
work another USAC race again, which the crew that officiated the
race considered to be an acceptable result.
Fred Flintstein
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 8:14 am
From: Scott
On Mar 15, 8:53 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:
> cur...@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> > On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:55:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott
> > <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Just spoke with a friend who was riding in the cat 2 race, and from
> >> the description of the finish line area as he explained it, they put
> >> the finish line in a new spot this year in what was arguably the worst
> >> spot on practically the entire loop. He (my friend) was in the
> >> breakaway and sprinting for bonus points on one of the laps and topped
> >> out at over 50mph due to the severity of the downhill at that point.
> >> No surprise that the cat 4s had problems with that finish.
>
> > What the hell was the CR doing before the race? That not only makes
> > for a bad finish, it makes the whole officiating of the finish that
> > much harder. OTOH, putting the finish line at the top of a 15% grade
> > and you can take the finishers down in long hand with no camera and
> > hand the list to the last racer across to post on the bulletin
> > board...
>
> http://www.tucsonbicycleclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/TBC-Co...
>
> Interesting reading.
>
> Fred Flintstein
What specifically do you find 'interesting'?
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 8:53 am
From: Fred Flintstein
Scott wrote:
> On Mar 15, 8:53 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> cur...@the-md-russells.org wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:55:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott
>>> <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Just spoke with a friend who was riding in the cat 2 race, and from
>>>> the description of the finish line area as he explained it, they put
>>>> the finish line in a new spot this year in what was arguably the worst
>>>> spot on practically the entire loop. He (my friend) was in the
>>>> breakaway and sprinting for bonus points on one of the laps and topped
>>>> out at over 50mph due to the severity of the downhill at that point.
>>>> No surprise that the cat 4s had problems with that finish.
>>> What the hell was the CR doing before the race? That not only makes
>>> for a bad finish, it makes the whole officiating of the finish that
>>> much harder. OTOH, putting the finish line at the top of a 15% grade
>>> and you can take the finishers down in long hand with no camera and
>>> hand the list to the last racer across to post on the bulletin
>>> board...
>> http://www.tucsonbicycleclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/TBC-Co...
>>
>> Interesting reading.
>>
>> Fred Flintstein
>
> What specifically do you find 'interesting'?
Item 14 tells me that the race will be hard pressed to get approval
next year. In my experience mouthing off to cops is right up there
with public urination.
Item 5, failure to set up a sprint line before the riders got there,
was notable.
Fred Flintstein
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 9:13 am
From: Scott
On Mar 15, 9:53 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> > On Mar 15, 8:53 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >> cur...@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:55:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott
> >>> <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Just spoke with a friend who was riding in the cat 2 race, and from
> >>>> the description of the finish line area as he explained it, they put
> >>>> the finish line in a new spot this year in what was arguably the worst
> >>>> spot on practically the entire loop. He (my friend) was in the
> >>>> breakaway and sprinting for bonus points on one of the laps and topped
> >>>> out at over 50mph due to the severity of the downhill at that point.
> >>>> No surprise that the cat 4s had problems with that finish.
> >>> What the hell was the CR doing before the race? That not only makes
> >>> for a bad finish, it makes the whole officiating of the finish that
> >>> much harder. OTOH, putting the finish line at the top of a 15% grade
> >>> and you can take the finishers down in long hand with no camera and
> >>> hand the list to the last racer across to post on the bulletin
> >>> board...
> >>http://www.tucsonbicycleclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/TBC-Co...
>
> >> Interesting reading.
>
> >> Fred Flintstein
>
> > What specifically do you find 'interesting'?
>
> Item 14 tells me that the race will be hard pressed to get approval
> next year. In my experience mouthing off to cops is right up there
> with public urination.
>
> Item 5, failure to set up a sprint line before the riders got there,
> was notable.
>
> Fred Flintstein
Thanks.
On a related note, I was asking my friend who was involved in the
breakaway what in the world the race director was thinking when 'he'
moved the finish line. I was told that the long-time director of the
race isn't the director any longer. The race director is now a woman,
and while there's nothing inherently wrong with that, it seems that
part of the problem is that a first time director with no significant
personal racing experience (and certainly not elite level racing
experience) made the decision to move the finish to a place that was
convenient from the perspective of having plenty of places to park and
never gave any thought to how the finish line placement was going to
affect the race itself. I think the CR should've caught it, but
apparently didn't.
On a related note, that particular loop was first used as a road race
course in the early 90s in a race that I promoted. The area was not
so populated then, so it was a bit easier, but the terrain hasn't
changed so I can comment on alternative route design. When I used the
course, I set up the staging/start area in Green Valley at the corner
of Duval Mine road and La Canada (http://preview.tinyurl.com/
yfd5584). I wanted the race to be as difficult as possible, given the
terrain, so instead of finishing in the same area, after the
completion of the appropriate number of laps, each category did one
last climb up Duval Mine Rd, with the finish just before the turnoff
onto S Mission Rd (http://preview.tinyurl.com/ygvuers). Putting the
finish line there resulted in a 'hilltop' finish with no significant
pack finishes.
The TBC didn't start using that loop until a few years ago (after the
death on the old Gates Pass loop) and initially the start/finish was
set up just far enough up the hill from the La Canada/Duval Mine
intersection to make the intersection not that critical to the
sprint. It was safe enough set up that way, but with the ever
increasing population growth in Green Valley I can understand why they
may have been forced to move the S/F. I wish they'd have moved it to
where I had set up my finish line, instead of at the bottom of the
steepest hill on the course. Oh, well, maybe next year.
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 9:26 am
From: "A. Dumas Fred"
Fred Flintstein wrote:
> I was involved in the planning for a race that had inline skate
> events
Ah, there you go.
> along with the bike races. The event organizer had hired
> a chip timer, and had forgotten where the finish line was supposed
> to go. So she
Ah wait, *there* you go!
> asked the skaters who told her to give them the
> longest finishing straight possible, set the finish up right in
> front of the hay bales closing the road at the first turn.
>
> When I arrived I immediately noticed that riders would be sprinting
> into hay bales. When I brought that up with the timer he said
> that he set it up where he was told
What a spineless Nazi collaborator.
> and it'd take two hours to
> move the mats. Which would totally hose the road closure time
> frame.
>
> We ended up moving the hay bales which allowed riders to sprint
> into a road that was empty since it didn't go anywhere anymore
> because of the race. The timer declared that he would never
> work another USAC race again, which the crew that officiated the
> race considered to be an acceptable result.
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 10:10 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:53:59 -0500, Fred Flintstein
<bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
>Item 14 tells me that the race will be hard pressed to get approval
>next year. In my experience mouthing off to cops is right up there
>with public urination.
>
>Item 5, failure to set up a sprint line before the riders got there,
>was notable.
>
>Fred Flintstein
Don't know about the results of mouthing off to cops. Depends. A lot
are athletes themselves and those are the ones that roll their eyes
and get on with it.
The ones leaning on their cruisers, eating donuts and drinking coffee,
OTOH, would make you dead on. Something for them to complain about...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 10:12 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:11:32 -0500, Fred Flintstein
<bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
>
>When I arrived I immediately noticed that riders would be sprinting
>into hay bales. When I brought that up with the timer he said
>that he set it up where he was told and it'd take two hours to
>move the mats. Which would totally hose the road closure time
>frame.
This was always my idea. You place them inversely to the order they're
peeled from the bales. Best to funnel them at the same time so you
only have one layered spot. Otherwise you have these ingrates
complaining that their side was ahead of the other...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 10:49 am
From: Scott
On Mar 15, 11:10 am, cur...@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:53:59 -0500, Fred Flintstein
>
> <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
> >Item 14 tells me that the race will be hard pressed to get approval
> >next year. In my experience mouthing off to cops is right up there
> >with public urination.
>
> >Item 5, failure to set up a sprint line before the riders got there,
> >was notable.
>
> >Fred Flintstein
>
> Don't know about the results of mouthing off to cops. Depends. A lot
> are athletes themselves and those are the ones that roll their eyes
> and get on with it.
>
> The ones leaning on their cruisers, eating donuts and drinking coffee,
> OTOH, would make you dead on. Something for them to complain about...
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...
I know the story behind that, too. Well, I know the story as it was
told to me second-hand.
Apparently one of the members of the breakaway was having a
'discussion' with the chief referee about trying to get them to assign
two finishing times, with the same time for all members of the break
and the appropriate gap back to the group when it showed up to the
same spot where the race was neutralized. A cop came over to enter
into the discussion and was told by the rider in question that the
discussion dealt with the running of the race and not involving a
matter of law enforcement or traffic control (the only two roles the
cops played at that point). There was no near arrest, the cop
actually understood the point once the official explained that he
didn't require any assistance. It goes without saying that the cop
was initially unreceptive to a rider telling him something wasn't any
of his business.
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TOPIC: amateur racing karma follies
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 3:44 am
From: "Fred K. Gringioni"
"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:rcousine-6D0E4D.15104014032010
>
> Then I got dropped from both the C and Novice races. Bike racing is
> wonderful.
OWN THE PODIUM
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TOPIC: The great helmet debate evolves
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/25ae4fd7831349dc?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 6:41 am
From: Anton Berlin
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CALIFORNIA_SAFER_SLOPES?SITE=KMIZTV&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
ALPINE MEADOWS, Calif. (AP) -- On a ridge near the 8,600-foot summit
of Alpine Meadows ski resort, 17-year-old snowboarder Lucas Fuller
scopes out the many chutes and bowls that radiate out from Ward Peak.
It's a perfect powder day, with clear skies and fresh snow delivered
to the Lake Tahoe area the day before. The teenager from Reno, Nev.,
likes the resort because it has numerous ungroomed, expert-level
slopes that approximate the back-country.
For this run, the teenager from Reno, Nev., is looking for a route
that will provide cliffs and bumps so he can catch some air. Despite
warning signs at the base of the lift, Fuller is not wearing a helmet.
"I stopped wearing a helmet a long time ago, and it just feels
better," he says. "I've been riding for a long time, and I'm pretty
confident."
But if some California lawmakers have their way, the decision to wear
a helmet will no longer be a personal choice.
Two bills introduced by Democratic lawmakers from Northern California
would require minors to wear a helmet while skiing or snowboarding.
One of them also would extend to resort operations, requiring
extensive injury reporting, sign posting and safety planning.
If the bills pass and are signed into law, they would give California
the nation's most restrictive helmet laws for skiers and snowboarders
and the most stringent requirements for ski resorts.
Lawmakers in New York and New Jersey also are pushing mandates for ski
helmets. One of six New York bills, and the only one to advance out of
committee, would require skiers under 15 to wear a helmet. A New
Jersey bill, if passed would require helmets for skiers and
snowboarders under 14.
Quebec lawmakers considered requiring helmet use after actress Natasha
Richardson died after a fall in 2009, but no legislation was
introduced.
Even without legislative action, the use of helmets has gained in
popularity. A survey by the National Ski Areas Association found that
48 percent of all skiers and snowboarders wore helmets during the
2007-08 season.
One of the California bills, by Democratic state Sen. Leland Yee of
San Francisco, would require all skiers and snowboarders under age 18
to wear helmets. It would place the enforcement burden on parents, who
would face a fine of up to $25 if their children didn't comply.
A bill by Democratic state Assemblyman Dave Jones of Sacramento is
more far-reaching.
It has a similar helmet mandate for minors but would require ski
resorts, not parents, to enforce it. The Jones bill also would force
all California ski resorts to report every injury and fatality on the
slopes, coordinate with other resorts to adopt standardized safety
signs and equipment, prepare annual safety plans and make all that
information available to the public.
Such requirements are "extreme and unnecessary," said Geraldine Link,
director of public policy for the National Ski Areas Association.
"Not only are no other resorts in other ski states subject to these
kind of requirements, no other recreational activity is subject to
this kind of record-keeping," she said.
Link said her group, which is based in Colorado, would support the
Senate bill dealing solely with helmets if it's made clear that the
resorts don't have to enforce it.
Blaise Carrig, co-president of the mountain division for Colorado-
based Vail Resorts, agreed.
"If you're going to have legislation, at least have it be the right
legislation," he said.
Vail Resorts, which operates Heavenly on the California-Nevada border
and several ski areas in Colorado, has tried to encourage youngsters
to wear helmets by setting an example: All employees are required to
wear them while skiing or snowboarding.
In 2005, the British Medical Journal reported that wearing a helmet
reduced the risk of head injuries among skiers and snowboarders by 29
percent.
All the head trauma cases from Lake Tahoe-area resorts are sent to
Renown Regional Medical Center in Reno. On average, the hospital
admits one head injury patient from the slopes a day during ski
season.
Dr. John Swanson, an emergency physician at the hospital, said that
without helmets, "Their brain suffers more trauma, and they are more
likely to have slower recovery time and permanent brain damage."
Despite evidence that wearing helmets reduces the risk of severe
injury, Jones said many children and teenagers will not ask for them
on their own. He said it was not easy persuading his own children to
wear helmets.
"I think for many parents who have the fight with their kids, which
some of us have had, it's actually not a bad thing to be able to say,
'Look, you know what? Not only is this the right thing to do and not
only would I insist that you do it, but it's also a legal
requirement,'" he said.
California already has a law requiring minors to wear a helmet while
riding a bicycle.
In expanding his bill to include wide-ranging regulations for resorts,
Jones worked closely with Dan Gregorie, whose daughter died at Alpine
Meadows in 2006, even though she was wearing a helmet.
Jessica Gregorie fell while hiking to an expert slope. She slid
roughly 100 yards down the side of a mountain. Alpine said the woman,
who was 24, was outside its boundaries.
After his daughter's death, Dan Gregorie said he asked for additional
information about the resort's injury statistics and safety plans but
hit a wall.
"It became very clear to me as I began to look at it that the industry
has no standards or practices that they share with each other or that
they advocate within the industry," said Gregorie.
The majority of ski resorts in California operate on U.S. Forest
Service land and are required to report fatalities to that agency. The
Forest Service did not respond to a request for more information about
injury reporting and safety plans.
The National Ski Areas Association compiles information on a national
level but does not make it available by individual resort. Its most
recent report, for the 2008-09 season, shows 39 deaths nationwide.
Those who work the slopes say there is no way for resorts to
accurately track injuries. Ski patrol members are trained to deliver
quick, outdoor emergency care but are not emergency medical
technicians.
"Our purpose is to stabilize people," said Stewart Foreman, a lawyer
and volunteer member of the Alpine Meadows ski patrol. "In that
process, actually diagnosing a medical condition doesn't happen."
Federal privacy laws prevent ski resort employees from following a
patient's progress at the hospital.
Jones' office amended his bill to remove the requirement that the
injury and death information be retained in a state database because
the cost is too high. Instead, resorts would collect the information
and make it available to anyone who requests it.
Even with such alterations to the bills, ski industry officials said
they were wary of any attempt to impose a lengthy list of rules and
regulations, in part because skiers and snowboarders accept a certain
amount of risk when they decide to head down a mountain.
"This is a sport. We're not Disneyland," said Bob Roberts, executive
director of the California Ski Industry Association. "When you're
above 7,000 feet in the winter in the Sierra, you're in a very
different kind of environment."
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 7:06 am
From: Revtom
Not really much of a debate. In the event of a death due to head
injury of a non-helmet wearer, especially of a minor, liability is
still pretty limited, absent glaring negligence on the part of the
resort/ski/snowboard hill operator. An adult wage earner, though, will
have a family looking to turn someone into a loving, legally-bound
provider.
The thing to be concerned about is paralysis and/or brain damage. Few
families can take the financial impact of care for someone who may
live decades past the injury. I would venture to guess that very few
people read the waivers on lift tickets. In the current legal and
judicial environment, a decision to the benefit of a plaintiff is
unlikely to survive any appeal. There is no way to legislate kids into
understanding their fragility or mortality. Punishing parents for
letting kids out the house without proper safety gear is just as
impossible.
People could invoke the Darwin effect; social anti-engineering by
default. Let the dipsh*ts kill themselves off, or remove themselves,
via injury, from the breeding population. Look what it did for NASCAR.
Just tell the kids, "When you crash and crack open your snotty little
skull, don't run home crying to me."
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TOPIC: Go Theo Bos!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 8:26 am
From: Michael Press
In article
<132bc833-e083-44ee-aa86-79b3a115f97b@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 10:07 pm, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > When
> > that happens, the movie will commonly be described as "it sucks".
> >
>
> http://chronicle.com/article/The-Death-of-Film-Criticism/64352/
Author of that article is a jackass;
has no idea what he is talking about.
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TOPIC: Sad situation
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/66c112206fc8451b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 9:25 am
From: Scott
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kacper-szczepaniak-attempts-suicide
Hard to imagine that a 19 yo, in his first pro contract, would likely
be able to earn 10x his father's salary. Not that a 19yo Polish rider
would make that much.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 1:46 pm
From: Kyle Legate
Scott wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kacper-szczepaniak-attempts-suicide
>
> Hard to imagine that a 19 yo, in his first pro contract, would likely
> be able to earn 10x his father's salary. Not that a 19yo Polish rider
> would make that much.
Rather, not that a 19 yo Polish rider's father would make that much.
It's truely a shitty situation. My wife is Romanian, and her father went
to pension recently. He got the pension confirmation letter when we were
there over Xmas, and he'll be getting 250 euros a month. This after a
lifetime of workforce service, in a country that recently joined the EU,
meaning that prices for everything are quickly becoming normalized to
the rest of the EU. Fortunately her family owns their house in the city
and has ample land in the countryside to grow their own
vegetables/geese/chickens/pigs, or they'd be truely hosed in a few years
when prices finish catching up.
The Szczepaniak's are fortunate that they can find lucrative work to
make up for the ghost-of-communism's shortcomings. What Kacper has to
try to remember is that his inevitable sanction will be over when he's 21.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 3:04 pm
From: Scott
On Mar 15, 2:46 pm, Kyle Legate <legatekB...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kacper-szczepaniak-attempts-suicide
>
> > Hard to imagine that a 19 yo, in his first pro contract, would likely
> > be able to earn 10x his father's salary. Not that a 19yo Polish rider
> > would make that much.
>
> Rather, not that a 19 yo Polish rider's father would make that much.
> It's truely a shitty situation. My wife is Romanian, and her father went
> to pension recently. He got the pension confirmation letter when we were
> there over Xmas, and he'll be getting 250 euros a month. This after a
> lifetime of workforce service, in a country that recently joined the EU,
> meaning that prices for everything are quickly becoming normalized to
> the rest of the EU. Fortunately her family owns their house in the city
> and has ample land in the countryside to grow their own
> vegetables/geese/chickens/pigs, or they'd be truely hosed in a few years
> when prices finish catching up.
>
> The Szczepaniak's are fortunate that they can find lucrative work to
> make up for the ghost-of-communism's shortcomings. What Kacper has to
> try to remember is that his inevitable sanction will be over when he's 21.
It's just pitiful any way you look at it. I feel badly for the kid,
yet I imagine there are many who'd gladly proclaim they should've let
him kill himself, being a doper, you know.
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TOPIC: rbr scientific terms
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/112d7d276a6cac98?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 10:17 am
From: Michael Press
In article <hmk4qr$456$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dumbasses -
>
> If the Norcals can get "hella" into the scientific lexicon, what can we do
> with "dumbass"? IMO, dumbass is much more descriptive.
>
> http://cbs13.com/local/hella.big.uc.2.1529825.html
>
> Hella Big': Soon To Be A Scientific Measurement?
>
> An oft-hated slang word coined in Northern California has been proposed as a
> worthy entry into the field of scientific measurement when calculating
> enormous numbers.
>
> Austin Sendek, a physics student at UC Davis, wants the number of 10 to the
> 27th power -- a trillion trillions -- to officially become "hella" big.
Cretins. Anybody who gives a moment's thought knows that
10^27 is not "a trillion trillions" because 27 is not
an even number.
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TOPIC: Livedrunk? Or just a coincidence?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9669919ade8e7c4f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 10:20 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35874139/ns/us_news-weird_news/
All Livedrunk members will be asked to account for their whereabouts
for the last 25 years. No using the excuse that you can no longer
remember the last 25 minutes.
I have this vision of the town drunk,staring at the spot for years,
eyes scrunched up, thinking, thinking, thinking, there must be a
way...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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TOPIC: Tirreno Adriatico, stage 6 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7ee4ca58d188edcd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 11:58 am
From: Bob Martin
Stage 6 : Mar 15, Montecosaro - Macerata, 134 km
1 Mikhail Ignatiev (Rus) Team Katusha 3.18.09
2 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone 0.05
3 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team
4 Robert Gesink (Ned) Rabobank 0.07
5 Benoit Vaugrenard (Fra) Francaise Des Jeux
6 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Androni Giocattoli
7 Michael Rogers (Aus) Team HTC - Columbia
8 Francesco Gavazzi (Ita) Lampre-Farnese Vini 0.09
9 Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Colnago - CSF Inox 0.11
10 Rigoberto Uran Uran (Col) Caisse d'Epargne
Changes in stage 6 compared to stage 5 :
Biggest gainers by position :
+25 Mikhail Ignatiev
+22 Blel Kadri
+20 Andy Schleck
+18 Tom Boonen
+18 Sebastian Lang
+17 Pierre Cazaux
+17 Alessandro Ballan
+16 Simon Clarke
+15 Francesco Bellotti
+12 Tom Stamsnijder
Biggest losers by position :
-32 Juan Antonio Flecha Giannoni
-17 Edvald Boasson Hagen
-17 Francesco Failli
-15 Roger Hammond
-15 Ryder Hesjedal
-14 Sebastian Langeveld
-11 Filippo Pozzato
-11 Massimo Codol
-11 Staf Scheirlinckx
-9 Alan Perez Lezaun
-8 Alessandro Donati
Biggest gainers by time :
+0:17 Mikhail Ignatiev
+0:08 Stefano Garzelli
+0:06 Cadel Evans
Biggest losers by time :
-17:18 Alessandro Donati
-17:18 Allan Davis
-17:18 Andreas Klier
-17:18 Baden Cooke
-17:18 Bernhard Eisel
-17:18 Cameron Wurf
-17:18 Christopher Sutton
-17:18 Daniel Oss
-17:18 Danilo Hondo
-17:18 Diego Caccia
-17:18 Dmytro Grabovskyy
Favourites by position :
+20 Andy Schleck
+7 Marzio Bruseghin
+6 Lars Ytting Bak
+5 Kim Kirchen
+5 Franco Pellizotti
+4 Johan Van Summeren
+1 Cadel Evans
-6 Fabian Cancellara
-6 Allan Davis
Favourites by time :
+0:08 Stefano Garzelli
+0:06 Cadel Evans
-0:11 Vincenzo Nibali
-0:19 Franco Pellizotti
-0:26 Kim Kirchen
-1:10 Andy Schleck
-10:45 Marzio Bruseghin
-10:45 Lars Ytting Bak
-10:45 Johan Van Summeren
-11:12 Fabian Cancellara
-17:18 Allan Davis
Top 3 and favourites standings :
1 Michele Scarponi 26.59.00
2 Stefano Garzelli 0.02
3 Cadel Evans 0.12
.....
5 Robert Gesink 0.27
.....
8 Vincenzo Nibali 0.42
.....
45 Franco Pellizotti 14.44
46 Kim Kirchen 14.53
.....
77 Fabian Cancellara 41.22
.....
83 Johan Van Summeren 47.14
84 Andy Schleck 47.27
.....
99 Marzio Bruseghin 58.03
.....
115 Allan Davis 1.09.00
.....
137 Lars Ytting Bak 1.24.20
Retirements to date : Stage
Andrea Masciarelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone 6 <<<
Anthony Roux (Fra) Francaise Des Jeux 6 <<<
Bert Grabsch (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 6 <<<
Giovanni Visconti (Ita) ISD - Neri 6 <<<
Martin Elmiger (Swi) AG2R La Mondiale 6 <<<
Mirko Selvaggi (Ita) Astana 6 <<<
Valeriy Dmitriyev (Kaz) Astana 6 <<<
Gatis Smukulis (Lat) AG2R La Mondiale 5
Linus Gerdemann (Ger) Team Milram 5
Ludovic Turpin (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 5
Rene Mandri (Est) AG2R La Mondiale 5
Arnaud Coyot (Fra) Caisse d'Epargne 4
Francesco Reda (Ita) Quick Step 4
Maarten Tjallingii (Ned) Rabobank 4
Manuel Belletti (Ita) Colnago - CSF Inox 4
Aitor Hernandez Gutierrez (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 3
Fabian Wegmann (Ger) Team Milram 3
Johannes Frohlinger (Ger) Team Milram 3
Leif Hoste (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto 3
Leonardo Scarselli (Ita) ISD - Neri 3
Jussi Veikkanen (Fin) Francaise Des Jeux 1
Massimo Giunti (Ita) Androni Giocattoli 1
Total retirements : 22
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TOPIC: Versus back on Direct TV
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d304fc227343933a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 2:46 pm
From: RB
"DirectTV customers who were receiving Versus at the end of August 2009 will
start getting it again."
Does this mean that any new subscriber after August 2009, gets a different
more expensive sports package deal?
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TOPIC: Buteyko
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9f83ea5cb260ca71?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 3:48 pm
From: Henry
After browsing discussions around asthma and inhalers, was wondering
if anyone has any experience with trying Buteyko?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 3:49 pm
From: Henry
On Mar 16, 11:48 am, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> After browsing discussions around asthma and inhalers, was wondering
> if anyone has any experience with trying Buteyko?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5216964387790732800#
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TOPIC: rebranding equipment...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/276ccc4f0af1c8fe?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 4:03 pm
From: Michael Press
In article <QtednYl1xOP8UBLWnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Cicero Venatio <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote:
> As the dollar drops, and the price of equipment rises, I see cyclists
> buying more and more equipment from frames to shifters that are branded
> Nashbar. But I also see them, in their shame, do some real clumsy
> attempts to hide the nashbar logo on their equipment. Now a real man,
> could care less, and sport the Nashbar logo with pride, noting it's not
> the bike, but the man that is important. But in this new world of
> fakes, frauds and poseurs, it is the brand of the shifter or the frame
> that counts. I've even seen these poseurs even refuse to drink a store
> branded soft drink, just because it wasn't a "Coke" or a "Pespsi." Has
> madison avenue made everyone just incredibly shallow?
Where have you been hiding your head?
This behavior is not new. I never was new.
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