Tuesday, March 23, 2010

[socialactionfoundationforequity:2274 Re: Thanks

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Dear Anand and Anjali,

Thanks in tons, your inputs and experience are valuable for the
society.

Recently while interacting with field NGOs I came to know that the
Women and Children living with HIV from South Asian Countries who were
migrated to India due to trafficking or otherwise needs care and
support. They are living in our country for livelihood or in prison,
Juvenile Homes needs focused projects and policy for their wellbeing.

Kindly advocate this issue and channelize policy makers for the same.

Thanks again and Regards,
Avnish

On Mar 24, 8:01 am, Anand CHAUDHURI <anand.chaudh...@unodc.org> wrote:
> Dear Avnish,
>
> Thanks for sharing this lovely mail. It made a great start to my morning and day. I was lucky to be able to share this wonderful gift with my wife Anjali. I am now in my 8th country with substance abuse and HIV prevention among the most vulnerable and marginalised in SAARC and now Cambodia. My family has watched the devastation of the AIDS crisis particularly among young girls in school in Africa, through what is called the sugar daddy syndrome....
>
> I believe that wives are victims of the AIDS scourge and women in general are victims of the epidemic. The fallout of this devastation are children and youth and adolescent girls. Parenting is an issue and there has been no replacement yet, of the social safety network that joint families and farming homesteads gave communities in east and west, north and south.
>
> Best
>
> Anand and Anjali
>
>  
>
> Dr. Anand Chaudhuri,
> Project Coordinator and Officer-in-Charge
> UNODC  Project Office, Cambodia
> Project Office -  
> House # 39, Street 420
> Sangkat Boeng Trabek
> Khan Chamkarmon
> Phnom Penh,
> Cambodia,
> Tel: (855) 23 222 348/9
> Fax: (855) 23 222 350
> Cell: (855) 12 925 009

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2273 [AIDS ASIA] Call for Applications: 2nd Regional Training on Sexuality, Sexual and Reproductive Health and Rights, May 17 - 21 2010, Bangkok, Thailand

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From: TARSHI <tarshi@vsnl.com>
Subject: [AIDS ASIA] Call for Applications: 2nd Regional Training on Sexuality, Sexual and Reproductive Health and Rights, May 17 - 21 2010, Bangkok, Thailand
To: aids_asia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 10:02


The 2nd Regional Training on Sexuality, Sexual and Reproductive Health and Rights May 17 - 21, 2010, Bangkok, Thailand.

About TARSHI

Informed by a rights perspective, TARSHI (Talking About Reproductive and Sexual Health Issues) addresses issues of sexuality keeping young people and women at the centre of its programmes. TARSHI's work includes providing much-needed sexuality information, counselling and referrals to people of all ages on the TARSHI helpline since 1996; strengthening the capacity of practitioners in the field through trainings on the inter-linkages between rights and sexuality and reproductive health; sensitizing practitioners as well as the general public to sexual and reproductive rights through publications and public education. 

Besides the 1st Regional Training conducted in 2008, TARSHI has also conducted five annual Regional Institutes and one Training for Trainers for participants from the South and Southeast Asia Region through The South and Southeast Asia Resource Centre on Sexuality that we have been hosting since 2003. More information about this and other programmes can be found at www.tarshi.net.

What is the Regional Training?

The Regional Training on Sexuality, Sexual and Reproductive Health and Rights is aimed at helping field level workers and activists conceptualise and understand various aspects related to sexuality and equip them with tools to address these issues with their audiences. In addition to basic information on topics like sexual and reproductive anatomy and physiology and HIV and AIDS participants will be introduced to concepts of basic Human Rights, Gender, Sexuality, Sexual and Reproductive Rights.

The focus of the Training will be to demystify sexuality and rights, and to help people understand the value of, and provide tools for incorporating these concepts in their day-to-day work whether it is producing IEC material for rural audiences, conducting reproductive health camps for women, sexuality education sessions in schools or advocating for policy support/amendments. The weeklong residential Training will use participatory learning methods including interactive exercises, discussions, presentations and debates as well as films.


Topics include:

Understanding Sexuality and Gender
Sexual and Reproductive Health
Sexual and Reproductive Rights
Sexuality and Power/Violence
Sexuality and Marginalisation
Sexuality and Pleasure

Who will conduct the training?

TARSHI's in-house resource persons who have over a decade of experience in their field will conduct the training.

Where will it be held?

The residential Training will be held Bangkok, Thailand.  Details about the venue and accommodation will be sent to selected participants. All selected participants will be expected to stay at the training venue for the duration of the programme.

What does it cost?

TARSHI will bear the cost of boarding and lodging for all participants during the training period in Bangkok. TARSHI will be able to subsidise travel costs for a maximum amount of up to USD 250 for participants from South and Southeast Asia. Please note that this subsidy is not available for participants from Thailand.

Who can apply?

Individuals working on issues of gender, sexual and/or reproductive health, HIV, education, development etc from South and Southeast Asia can apply for this course. Those who may have not traditionally engaged with sexuality but are keen to do so, are especially encouraged to apply.

The course materials and discussion will be in English; therefore participants should be fluent in English. Applicants from outside Thailand will be required to have valid passports in order for their application to be considered.

Twenty individuals will be selected based on their completed application forms.  Some may be interviewed on the phone as well.

How and by when should I send in my application?
The application form for the Training is attached.  Please turn in your application by email to training@tarshi.net or  by March 31, 2010. Alternatively, you may post the application to the following address so that it reaches us by March 31, 2010.


TARSHI

A 91 Amritpuri, 1st Floor,
(Opposite ISKCON Temple),
East of Kailash
New Delhi, 110065, India
Phones : 91-11-26474022, 26474023
Fax : 91-11-26474024
Email: training@tarshi.net 
Website  : http://www.tarshi.net

We look forward to hearing from you. If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us at training@tarshi.net 

Thank you!

Prabha

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Prabha Nagaraja
Manager, Programmes
TARSHI (Talking About Reproductive and Sexual Health Issues)

TARSHI (Talking About Reproductive and Sexual Health Issues)
A 91 Amritpuri, 1st Floor (Opposite ISKCON Temple)
East of Kailash, New Delhi 110 065
Phones: 011- 26474022/ 011- 26474023
Fax: 011- 26474024
Email: tarshi@vsnl.com
Websites: www.tarshi.net, www.sexualityinstitute.org


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Subject: Medarticles heed a paper
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How to write a case report for publication

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Re: [socialactionfoundationforequity:2271 Abridged summary of socialactionfoundationforequity@googlegroups.com - 7 Messages in 7 Topics

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Dear Avnish,
Thanks for sharing this lovely mail. It made a great start to my morning and day. I was lucky to be able to share this wonderful gift with my wife Anjali. I am now in my 8th country with substance abuse and HIV prevention among the most vulnerable and marginalised in SAARC and now Cambodia. My family has watched the devastation of the AIDS crisis particularly among young girls in school in Africa, through what is called the sugar daddy syndrome....
I believe that wives are victims of the AIDS scourge and women in general are victims of the epidemic. The fallout of this devastation are children and youth and adolescent girls. Parenting is an issue and there has been no replacement yet, of the social safety network that joint families and farming homesteads gave communities in east and west, north and south.
Best
Anand and Anjali
 
Dr. Anand Chaudhuri,
Project Coordinator and Officer-in-Charge
UNODC  Project Office, Cambodia

Project Office -  
House # 39, Street 420
Sangkat Boeng Trabek
Khan Chamkarmon
Phnom Penh,
Cambodia,

Tel: (855) 23 222 348/9
Fax: (855) 23 222 350
Cell: (855) 12 925 009

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 10:51 pm
From: MZ


Johnny Morongo wrote:
> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>> In article <XO6dnafXybdp7zrWnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> Johnctx <jc@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>> In article <CJmdnfj5kd2lrznW4p2dnAA@giganews.com>,
>>>> Johnny Morongo <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jets eyeing Iupati in Round 1?
>>>>> 2:35PM ET
>>>>> http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors
>>>>>
>>>>> The Brandon Marshall rumors taught us many things, but perhaps most
>>>>> centrally: The New York Jets value their first-round pick (No. 29
>>>>> overall) more highly than many of us realize. After all, the
>>>>> ongoing belief is that if the Jets offered that pick, the Denver
>>>>> Broncos would easily accept a trade that would give Mark Sanchez
>>>>> and crew a young, dominant asset.
>>>>>
>>>>> So who are they so hellbent on taking that they wouldn't like to
>>>>> have Marshall instead? Maybe an offensive lineman, which would seem
>>>>> crazy given that they already had three Pro Bowlers on the O-line
>>>>> in 2009. According to a report from National Football Post, the
>>>>> Jets are among three teams that hosted Idaho guard Mike Iupati for
>>>>> a workout this week. Iupati played guard in college, but he has the
>>>>> potential to slide to RT as a pro. The strong might be getting even
>>>>> stronger.
>>>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do I sign up?
>>>> me!
>>>>
>>>> h
>>> So you want this guy over a 3-4 DE?
>>
>> John, it depends on the 3-4 DE.
>> Iupati is a sure thing in my mind as a Guard. With both Moore and
>> Faneca (who at times looked like an fffing turnstyle on passing downs,
>> a stud guard who can play for the next six years or more makes a lot
>> of sense for a team wanting to play smash mouth.
>>
>> So too would the next Ed Reed. So too would a stud, pass rushing OLB
>> who was the antithesis of VG (all production and no glitz).
>> Now, if a Richard Seymour is available or a young Sean Ellis at pick
>> 29, in other words if the entire roster of 3-4 teams with a shot at
>> such a player whiff on their pick, I am all in.
>>
>> I just expect a stud 3-4 DE who can get any rush will be gone by the
>> time we pick.
>>
>> harlan
>
> Got yer back on this one, H.

How could you not? He's on the fence. :)

Nah, I think most of us agree that the Jets are in a better spot than
they were two years ago, in that they now have the luxury of going for
the best player available instead of being forced to address one of many
holes. Right now it seems their biggest "hole" might be depth and
youth, and they could fill those holes in just about every position.

When the Jets pick, if magically all guys at every position were exactly
even on their draft board... then I'd go in the following order.

1. TE
2. WR
3. DL
4. S

After that, it would be with an eye towards the future at OLB, OT, and
maybe even HB if Leon isn't in their future plans.

In other words, best player available. ;)


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:24 am
From: Johnctx


Johnny Morongo wrote:
> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>> In article <XO6dnafXybdp7zrWnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> Johnctx <jc@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>> In article <CJmdnfj5kd2lrznW4p2dnAA@giganews.com>,
>>>> Johnny Morongo <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jets eyeing Iupati in Round 1?
>>>>> 2:35PM ET
>>>>> http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors
>>>>>
>>>>> The Brandon Marshall rumors taught us many things, but perhaps most
>>>>> centrally: The New York Jets value their first-round pick (No. 29
>>>>> overall) more highly than many of us realize. After all, the
>>>>> ongoing belief is that if the Jets offered that pick, the Denver
>>>>> Broncos would easily accept a trade that would give Mark Sanchez
>>>>> and crew a young, dominant asset.
>>>>>
>>>>> So who are they so hellbent on taking that they wouldn't like to
>>>>> have Marshall instead? Maybe an offensive lineman, which would seem
>>>>> crazy given that they already had three Pro Bowlers on the O-line
>>>>> in 2009. According to a report from National Football Post, the
>>>>> Jets are among three teams that hosted Idaho guard Mike Iupati for
>>>>> a workout this week. Iupati played guard in college, but he has the
>>>>> potential to slide to RT as a pro. The strong might be getting even
>>>>> stronger.
>>>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do I sign up?
>>>> me!
>>>>
>>>> h
>>> So you want this guy over a 3-4 DE?
>>
>> John, it depends on the 3-4 DE.
>> Iupati is a sure thing in my mind as a Guard. With both Moore and
>> Faneca (who at times looked like an fffing turnstyle on passing downs,
>> a stud guard who can play for the next six years or more makes a lot
>> of sense for a team wanting to play smash mouth.
>>
>> So too would the next Ed Reed. So too would a stud, pass rushing OLB
>> who was the antithesis of VG (all production and no glitz).
>> Now, if a Richard Seymour is available or a young Sean Ellis at pick
>> 29, in other words if the entire roster of 3-4 teams with a shot at
>> such a player whiff on their pick, I am all in.
>>
>> I just expect a stud 3-4 DE who can get any rush will be gone by the
>> time we pick.
>>
>> harlan
>
> Got yer back on this one, H.

Good points, I guess my fears of being thin on the line from last year
are tough to shake. I also see the faiure rate of teams, even the good
franchises, being so high that getting 1 and in a good year 2 starters
is tough to do.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:32 am
From: Johnctx


MZ wrote:
> Johnny Morongo wrote:
>> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>> In article <XO6dnafXybdp7zrWnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> Johnctx <jc@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>>> In article <CJmdnfj5kd2lrznW4p2dnAA@giganews.com>,
>>>>> Johnny Morongo <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jets eyeing Iupati in Round 1?
>>>>>> 2:35PM ET
>>>>>> http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Brandon Marshall rumors taught us many things, but perhaps
>>>>>> most centrally: The New York Jets value their first-round pick
>>>>>> (No. 29 overall) more highly than many of us realize. After all,
>>>>>> the ongoing belief is that if the Jets offered that pick, the
>>>>>> Denver Broncos would easily accept a trade that would give Mark
>>>>>> Sanchez and crew a young, dominant asset.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So who are they so hellbent on taking that they wouldn't like to
>>>>>> have Marshall instead? Maybe an offensive lineman, which would
>>>>>> seem crazy given that they already had three Pro Bowlers on the
>>>>>> O-line in 2009. According to a report from National Football Post,
>>>>>> the Jets are among three teams that hosted Idaho guard Mike Iupati
>>>>>> for a workout this week. Iupati played guard in college, but he
>>>>>> has the potential to slide to RT as a pro. The strong might be
>>>>>> getting even stronger.
>>>>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do I sign up?
>>>>> me!
>>>>>
>>>>> h
>>>> So you want this guy over a 3-4 DE?
>>>
>>> John, it depends on the 3-4 DE.
>>> Iupati is a sure thing in my mind as a Guard. With both Moore and
>>> Faneca (who at times looked like an fffing turnstyle on passing
>>> downs, a stud guard who can play for the next six years or more makes
>>> a lot of sense for a team wanting to play smash mouth.
>>>
>>> So too would the next Ed Reed. So too would a stud, pass rushing OLB
>>> who was the antithesis of VG (all production and no glitz).
>>> Now, if a Richard Seymour is available or a young Sean Ellis at pick
>>> 29, in other words if the entire roster of 3-4 teams with a shot at
>>> such a player whiff on their pick, I am all in.
>>>
>>> I just expect a stud 3-4 DE who can get any rush will be gone by the
>>> time we pick.
>>>
>>> harlan
>>
>> Got yer back on this one, H.
>
> How could you not? He's on the fence. :)
>
> Nah, I think most of us agree that the Jets are in a better spot than
> they were two years ago, in that they now have the luxury of going for
> the best player available instead of being forced to address one of many
> holes. Right now it seems their biggest "hole" might be depth and
> youth, and they could fill those holes in just about every position.
>
> When the Jets pick, if magically all guys at every position were exactly
> even on their draft board... then I'd go in the following order.
>
> 1. TE
> 2. WR
> 3. DL
> 4. S
>
> After that, it would be with an eye towards the future at OLB, OT, and
> maybe even HB if Leon isn't in their future plans.
>
> In other words, best player available. ;)


A TE, shocking!

I forgot about WR....ughhhhhhhh

If we can get two starters we are a better team because they beat out
someone from last year. Wouldn't it be nice to find a player in the 4th
round at safety?

Finding the Mike DeVito's of the world is important as well. Guys that
can step in & play even if they won't be all stars is so important.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 10:56 am
From: Michael


On Mar 19, 10:26 pm, Johnny Morongo
<j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
> Jets eyeing Iupati in Round 1?
> 2:35PM EThttp://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors
>
> The Brandon Marshall rumors taught us many things, but perhaps most
> centrally: The New York Jets value their first-round pick (No. 29
> overall) more highly than many of us realize. After all, the ongoing
> belief is that if the Jets offered that pick, the Denver Broncos would
> easily accept a trade that would give Mark Sanchez and crew a young,
> dominant asset.
>
> So who are they so hellbent on taking that they wouldn't like to have
> Marshall instead? Maybe an offensive lineman, which would seem crazy
> given that they already had three Pro Bowlers on the O-line in 2009.
> According to a report from National Football Post, the Jets are among
> three teams that hosted Idaho guard Mike Iupati for a workout this week.
> Iupati played guard in college, but he has the potential to slide to RT
> as a pro. The strong might be getting even stronger.
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Where do I sign up?

Lupati would be an excellent pick, IMHO. I've always felt that the
offensive line was the most important unit on a pro team. Faneca is
close to the end of his career and his pass blocking is the worst on
the Jets line. Prior to the Cromartie signing, my biggest worry was
that the Jets lacked the second cover corner that the Rex defense
badly needed. One that was taken care of, I felt the Jets were in a
good position to draft the best rated player on the board instead of
going for need only. I'm also not worried about the d-line. Not in
the least. The Rex defense creates more pass rushers than blockers,
so all you need on the d-line is a few average warm bodies SO LONG AS
YOU HAVE TWO SKILLED COVER CORNERS that can press during those
overload blitz packages.
Right now, I'd like to see the Jets draft the most complete guy on the
board. So much the better if the best guy on the board can fill a
need too.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 11:31 am
From: Johnny Morongo


Michael wrote:
> On Mar 19, 10:26 pm, Johnny Morongo
> <j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
>> Jets eyeing Iupati in Round 1?
>> 2:35PM EThttp://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors
>>
>> The Brandon Marshall rumors taught us many things, but perhaps most
>> centrally: The New York Jets value their first-round pick (No. 29
>> overall) more highly than many of us realize. After all, the ongoing
>> belief is that if the Jets offered that pick, the Denver Broncos would
>> easily accept a trade that would give Mark Sanchez and crew a young,
>> dominant asset.
>>
>> So who are they so hellbent on taking that they wouldn't like to have
>> Marshall instead? Maybe an offensive lineman, which would seem crazy
>> given that they already had three Pro Bowlers on the O-line in 2009.
>> According to a report from National Football Post, the Jets are among
>> three teams that hosted Idaho guard Mike Iupati for a workout this week.
>> Iupati played guard in college, but he has the potential to slide to RT
>> as a pro. The strong might be getting even stronger.
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Where do I sign up?
>
> Lupati would be an excellent pick, IMHO. I've always felt that the
> offensive line was the most important unit on a pro team. Faneca is
> close to the end of his career and his pass blocking is the worst on
> the Jets line. Prior to the Cromartie signing, my biggest worry was
> that the Jets lacked the second cover corner that the Rex defense
> badly needed. One that was taken care of, I felt the Jets were in a
> good position to draft the best rated player on the board instead of
> going for need only. I'm also not worried about the d-line. Not in
> the least. The Rex defense creates more pass rushers than blockers,
> so all you need on the d-line is a few average warm bodies SO LONG AS
> YOU HAVE TWO SKILLED COVER CORNERS that can press during those
> overload blitz packages.
> Right now, I'd like to see the Jets draft the most complete guy on the
> board. So much the better if the best guy on the board can fill a
> need too.

Agreed, Michael. But unlike Mark, I don't think that they need to be
position specific. Just take the BPA.


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 11:39 am
From: Michael


On Mar 23, 2:31 pm, Johnny Morongo
<j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > On Mar 19, 10:26 pm, Johnny Morongo
> > <j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
> >> Jets eyeing Iupati in Round 1?
> >> 2:35PM EThttp://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors
>
> >> The Brandon Marshall rumors taught us many things, but perhaps most
> >> centrally: The New York Jets value their first-round pick (No. 29
> >> overall) more highly than many of us realize. After all, the ongoing
> >> belief is that if the Jets offered that pick, the Denver Broncos would
> >> easily accept a trade that would give Mark Sanchez and crew a young,
> >> dominant asset.
>
> >> So who are they so hellbent on taking that they wouldn't like to have
> >> Marshall instead? Maybe an offensive lineman, which would seem crazy
> >> given that they already had three Pro Bowlers on the O-line in 2009.
> >> According to a report from National Football Post, the Jets are among
> >> three teams that hosted Idaho guard Mike Iupati for a workout this week.
> >> Iupati played guard in college, but he has the potential to slide to RT
> >> as a pro. The strong might be getting even stronger.
> >> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> >> Where do I sign up?
>
> > Lupati would be an excellent pick, IMHO.  I've always felt that the
> > offensive line was the most important unit on a pro team.  Faneca is
> > close to the end of his career and his pass blocking is the worst on
> > the Jets line.  Prior to the Cromartie signing, my biggest worry was
> > that the Jets lacked the second cover corner that the Rex defense
> > badly needed.  One that was taken care of, I felt the Jets were in a
> > good position to draft the best rated player on the board instead of
> > going for need only.  I'm also not worried about the d-line.  Not in
> > the least.  The Rex defense creates more pass rushers than blockers,
> > so all you need on the d-line is a few average warm bodies SO LONG AS
> > YOU HAVE TWO SKILLED COVER CORNERS that can press during those
> > overload blitz packages.
> > Right now, I'd like to see the Jets draft the most complete guy on the
> > board.  So much the better if the best guy on the board can fill a
> > need too.
>
> Agreed, Michael.  But unlike Mark, I don't think that they need to be
> position specific.  Just take the BPA.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

just wanted to add about my comment on the level of talent needed for
the d-line for the rex style of defense... i did wrong to say you just
need warm bodies... you dont need high priced pass rush specialists
like peppers. imho, the most important thing is that your group up
front have some fair size to them and do a good job holding up the
run. it really looked to me that pouha was raw in the beginning, but
has gotten better by leaps and bounds just by polishing up footwork
and technique. devito also did a good job agaisnt the run and so did
douglas. i'm not even gonna count jenkins as a player, but that would
be all gravy if he came back and could contribute. with harris and
scott as the inside backers, the current jet manpower on the d-line is
not lacking to get the job done as it applies to the rex style
pressure defense.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 3:48 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <d-KdnRAmwJ9FyzXWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:

> Johnny Morongo wrote:
> > Harlan Lachman wrote:
> >> In article <XO6dnafXybdp7zrWnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >> Johnctx <jc@spamtx.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Harlan Lachman wrote:
> >>>> In article <CJmdnfj5kd2lrznW4p2dnAA@giganews.com>,
> >>>> Johnny Morongo <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Jets eyeing Iupati in Round 1?
> >>>>> 2:35PM ET
> >>>>> http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Brandon Marshall rumors taught us many things, but perhaps most
> >>>>> centrally: The New York Jets value their first-round pick (No. 29
> >>>>> overall) more highly than many of us realize. After all, the
> >>>>> ongoing belief is that if the Jets offered that pick, the Denver
> >>>>> Broncos would easily accept a trade that would give Mark Sanchez
> >>>>> and crew a young, dominant asset.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So who are they so hellbent on taking that they wouldn't like to
> >>>>> have Marshall instead? Maybe an offensive lineman, which would seem
> >>>>> crazy given that they already had three Pro Bowlers on the O-line
> >>>>> in 2009. According to a report from National Football Post, the
> >>>>> Jets are among three teams that hosted Idaho guard Mike Iupati for
> >>>>> a workout this week. Iupati played guard in college, but he has the
> >>>>> potential to slide to RT as a pro. The strong might be getting even
> >>>>> stronger.
> >>>>> ________________________________________________________________________
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where do I sign up?
> >>>> me!
> >>>>
> >>>> h
> >>> So you want this guy over a 3-4 DE?
> >>
> >> John, it depends on the 3-4 DE.
> >> Iupati is a sure thing in my mind as a Guard. With both Moore and
> >> Faneca (who at times looked like an fffing turnstyle on passing downs,
> >> a stud guard who can play for the next six years or more makes a lot
> >> of sense for a team wanting to play smash mouth.
> >>
> >> So too would the next Ed Reed. So too would a stud, pass rushing OLB
> >> who was the antithesis of VG (all production and no glitz).
> >> Now, if a Richard Seymour is available or a young Sean Ellis at pick
> >> 29, in other words if the entire roster of 3-4 teams with a shot at
> >> such a player whiff on their pick, I am all in.
> >>
> >> I just expect a stud 3-4 DE who can get any rush will be gone by the
> >> time we pick.
> >>
> >> harlan
> >
> > Got yer back on this one, H.
>
> How could you not? He's on the fence. :)
>
> Nah, I think most of us agree that the Jets are in a better spot than
> they were two years ago, in that they now have the luxury of going for
> the best player available instead of being forced to address one of many
> holes. Right now it seems their biggest "hole" might be depth and
> youth, and they could fill those holes in just about every position.
>
> When the Jets pick, if magically all guys at every position were exactly
> even on their draft board... then I'd go in the following order.
>
> 1. TE
> 2. WR
> 3. DL
> 4. S
>
> After that, it would be with an eye towards the future at OLB, OT, and
> maybe even HB if Leon isn't in their future plans.
>
> In other words, best player available. ;)

If this team drafts a WR at 29, Tanny needs a lobotomy.

The failure rate is too high. I also think with Keller, we can pick up a
solid blocking TE with our fourth rounder so I would pass on that too.

The only thing that I agree would be better than a lineman is a starting
safety.

H

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Kudos to Braylon Edwards
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/bc4cd664e17a463d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 5:49 am
From: "yoyodog"


Love 'em or hate 'em, you gotta admire the fact that he has truly seemed to
turn things around on the personal level.

Hasn't been lured by the NYC party scene. Team player to the core. Signs
tender and reports without much hoopla.

Now if only he could do something about those cement hands...

==============================================================================
TOPIC: LT vs Curtis
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/685ea3df2fa90db3?hl=en
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:16 am
From: Johnctx


Johnny Morongo wrote:
> Johnctx wrote:
>
>> Maybe I overestimate the average Joe.
>>
>
> Huh?

or John(ny)

:)


== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 7:28 am
From: Johnctx


papa.carl44 wrote:
> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
> news:gJWdnZOB0_RgXDrWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4omdnSYQhbPy8jrWnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:15efa87a-ab8a-446b-840a-f8f5c5eb762c@f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Mar 19, 1:59 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> news:4e294770-6974-4148-be5a-2fcb39f90f83@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On Mar 18, 10:10 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:d0724001-19c6-4340-80a6-c36882d40f53@e7g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 5:29 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:6a0d6db2-b759-48fc-8c2b-9f62ce9f9f8e@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 3:27 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 2:39 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 1:59 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 9:23 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 16, 3:29 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I realize that they are two different players but I also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another 31 year old back for the Jets was told might be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill at 31.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TomlLa00.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MartCu00.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT really looked like a spent player last season. It has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do with him being "told" he is over the hill. His results
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is telling. To my eyes, it looked like it was high time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fork in him. I would not mind it they paid him one million
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year and that would be it, but... The deal that they made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given how he looked last season... Well... I think they blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million out their ass and left with the same smile that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had at "Fair Deal Dan's" used car lot after he was sold on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real cream puff. LT is not only a retread, he's a retread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing air and leaving rubber chunks along the road.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael, remember I wanted to keep Jones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He may be done but how many guys play on a high ankle sprain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After you answer that tell me why they don't & then tell me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to reconsider what you saw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Early in the year Jet fans were screaming about T Jones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ypc average & how they were inflated by some long runs so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill guy are we talking about? Jones or Washington?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some things to consider:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They may have decided Greene is our guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jones sucks unless he runs the ball 20 times a game
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither Jones or Greene can catch the ball and we could lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He can block --which Washington can't-- so we have a pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that can block on play action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He rarely fumbles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is good at short runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This may not work out and we cut him in training camp. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is cheap insurance. He may revert to where he was in 2008 in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case Tannenbaum & Ryan are brilliant.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John.... If his injury is what was holding him up, we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done better for 2.5 mil. I dont think that is the case,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes... I agree that even if he cant run the ball the way we'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see, he can still offer top quality smarts and years of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both a rout runner and a pass blocker. I have been a big fan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jets brass for decisions like Revis, Harris, Mangold, Keller
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all, the Sanchez deal and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Rex... I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bashing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in the least... I just pointing out that I saw LT as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> washed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up as a ball carrier. And yes... They could think Green is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be all for it if not for the remaining questions about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Green's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> durability. Not to mention, the questions about Washington.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ground and pound" team this direction to push Jones out and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT seems a bit dicey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also been wondering... Who do you think is the lead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy(s)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Getting rid of Jones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Signing LT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Cromartie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Rhodes for a 4th
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael, why isn't Leon "the guy"? He's the only back on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> roster
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now without question marks. And arguably he's a top 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>> back in this league. In my view, it's his job to lose. I see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions coming more on 3rd down.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>> no reason for sure to say that leon is NOT the guy... Just
>>>>>>>>>>>> dicey...
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> was never proven that he can take the pounding of a first line
>>>>>>>>>>>> back..
>>>>>>>>>>>> second off... can he regain his form ??? i'm betting he can, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a big 'If" Not to mention all the recent talk that it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> "50/50"
>>>>>>>>>>>> if he will be a jet next season... so... no sure thing there
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> leon
>>>>>>>>>>>> for several good reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>> Wait... so Leon hasn't proven that he can take a pounding, but
>>>>>>>>>>> Greene
>>>>>>>>>>> has? If anything, I'd think the opposite is true. Admit it.
>>>>>>>>>>> You're
>>>>>>>>>>> still hung up about his size. :)
>>>>>>>>>> huh ??? where did i say that i was sure green could take the
>>>>>>>>>> pounding ??? i also questioned green's durability... did you not
>>>>>>>>>> see ???
>>>>>>>>> I saw where you said that. But you also said that you think Greene
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> "the guy" -- no mention of Leon -- and I can't really figure out
>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>> except for the part where you said that Leon hasn't proven that he
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> take a pounding. That's why I was wondering -- and Greene has?
>>>>>>>>> I just can't figure out where all this Greene-love is coming from.
>>>>>>>>> He's
>>>>>>>>> an intriguing prospect, no doubt, but it's hard for me to imagine
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> he's the frontrunner for the job at this point. Maybe a full camp
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> preseason of wowing the coaches gets him there, but that's far from
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> given.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>> i'm only thinking out loud when i say "green is the guy". there are
>>>>>>>> questions about him that i have never ignored. he's untested
>>>>>>>> Hey...it's late at night, I can't sleep...I just got into this
>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> can't follow all of it. As far as I can tell...Rex is on a diet,
>>>>>>>> Greene
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the way to go, Ryan is Irish and sometimes when the old Irish get
>>>>>>>> pissed
>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>> or worried they eat people. Does this mean that if Rex gets nasty
>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> this weight loss thing he may gobble up one of the RB's in camp? Oh,
>>>>>>>> BTW...I had some surgery on my ear...it hurts like Hell...so I'll
>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>> another pain pill and try and go back to bed. Did I get this thread
>>>>>>>> right?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>> sounds about right :-) though, the forensic archeological evidence
>>>>>>> that we have indicates that it was the druidic Celtic peoples of
>>>>>>> Britain and not specifically the Irish that ritually killed and ate
>>>>>>> each other for religious purposes. though, it cant be ruled out that
>>>>>>> similar things went on at the same time across the Irish sea. there
>>>>>>> were Celtic peoples on both sides of the English channel and both
>>>>>>> sides of the Irish sea, but separation by the water caused a lot of
>>>>>>> cultural distinctions, especially between Ireland and the rest of the
>>>>>>> Celtic world. I could still see Rex trying to eat a player or coach
>>>>>>> if cheeseburgers were not readily available.
>>>>>>> Do you realize we read the same books, information and watch the same
>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>> on NGC or Discovery too...I'm neve sure what is is I'm looking at
>>>>>>> channel
>>>>>>> wise, I just find all the stuff by my "bookmarks" and watch it. My
>>>>>>> grandparents on both sides were immigrants. One side is Swedish and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> other Irish. I always figured that made me one of those renegade half
>>>>>>> breeds they would brand by notching their ears. That was during the
>>>>>>> wars
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the times of Brian Boru etc. As for Rex....how many cheeseburgers do
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> have to eat to get to that point so quickly?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>> "reneade half breed" ha ! good one. I have a long Italian
>>>>>> pedegree, none the less, Italy has been a "melting pot" for a few
>>>>>> thousand years prior to my ancestors coming over to the new world.
>>>>>> all of us are half breeds. "race" is a horse shit notion that the
>>>>>> media and the government are queer to promulgate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was a big deal to the ancients. But on the stuff today...I agree,
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> of the "problems" we deal with today are over either supposed race or
>>>>>> religion...and if you world view indicates an Armageddon to
>>>>>> come...there is
>>>>>> a good chance you will act in such a way as to make that happen. OMHO,
>>>>>> Papa- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> agree 100 % papa. lots of people incorrectly believe that most of our
>>>>> "problems" including the wars we had/have are a result of economic
>>>>> interests. total bs. resources of all kinds including land and
>>>>> political power do not prove to be problematic to share/distribute
>>>>> among kindred peoples. look at the reasons why groups/individuals/
>>>>> countries try to pry resources away from "the other ones". perceived
>>>>> divisions cause wars and "problems" not stacks of money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup...very correct.
>>>> No, not correct at all. It is simplistic to say one factor causes
>>>> problems.It is more simplistic to dismiss economic & political greed &
>>>> replace it "us & them."
>>>>
>>>> Look at most wars fought & the biggest reason is about power usually
>>>> economic but sometimes political. Revolutions occur when the middle
>>>> class, in the classical sense, can't exert their political muscle that
>>>> goes with their economic might.
>>>>
>>>> If you think of yourself as a follower of history, a must read.
>>>>
>>>> The Anatomy of Revolution
>>>> ISBN 0-394-70044-9
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As long as all the folks who have it are the "same" and
>>>>> part of the "same tribe" there is a sense that it can be shared
>>>>> somehow. This has its roots in the gift economy too. I've been
>>>>> re-reading The Gift recently by Marcel Maus. It's really interesting
>>>>> to see how much differently we see things when we come back to
>>>>> something we read over 25 years ago. There is a line in a Kris
>>>>> Kristofferson song about the reaction fellow singer Steve Earle got
>>>>> when he did a song about "The American Taliban." Earle took a rather
>>>>> sympathetic point of view because he recognized how screwed up this
>>>>> young man was and what had driven him to this end. In Kristofferson's
>>>>> song he notes that "we're all sons of Abraham"....my guess is the
>>>>> overwhelming majority of Americans have NO idea that Islam came from
>>>>> the same tradition as Judaism and Christianity. I recently told an
>>>>> "aquaintence" one of the profits of Islam was Abraham and another was
>>>>> Jesus...he went ballistic on me and told me those "heathens" have
>>>>> nothing to do with "our people."
>>>> This guy had to have live under a rock. Anyone who has read a paper in
>>>> the last 40 years would know that. I would bet that is more common
>>>> knowledge today than it was 40 years ago.
>>> Well....he didn't live under a rock...he lives in Philadelphia, is fairly
>>> wealthy, owns a business that is thriving even in these economic days and
>>> is an evangelical "born again Christian".....that is what Michael and I
>>> were talking about in the first place...my impression is most of the
>>> extreme Right who make cartoon references to The President would also fit
>>> into this category.....
>> Well I would say you need to get out more.
>>
>> It isn't a right or left thing it is a people thing. It is why politicians
>> are having a ball with offering nothing of substance. Hell even Obama who
>> is obviously a bright man and has the ability to communicate gets away
>> with it.
>>
>> I still think most people with a pulse know of the prophets of Islam.
>> Maybe I overestimate the average Joe.
>
> John....I'd guess I get out a Hell of a lot more than you do, or at least as
> much. I get to travel with a vastly diverse cross section of people. You
> do overestimate some people, quite a bit. You also assume the same forces
> work at both ends of the social or political spectrum and they don't. The
> words of Will Rogers are very significant now....the reason Democrats rarely
> agree is that usually you have a mix of diverse opinions and a lot of fairly
> open minded people. I'm talking party wide, not the clowns who get elected
> and often masquerade. The progressive side does not have the level of
> certitude about everything that the right has. As far as substance
> goes....not being able to turn down a child for pre-existing conditions is a
> lot of substance. My jobs have put me in contact with families who have
> lived through this and I've seen people destroyed by it. I don't expect you
> to agree with anything I say. You are entitled to your own opinions, but
> there are some basic facts and only one set of them. I wish you were right
> about most people with a pulse....they flat out don't have a clue. Look
> what happened post 9/11....Seihks with turbans on were attacked at their
> places of business.....my next door neighbor is a fairly educated person and
> he has NO clue about any of this and believes whatever far right garbage
> some buddy of his says...and he especially believes it if Bill O' Reilly
> says it. The one I love is the Nazi / Communist combination they have
> created. Not much of an understanding of history going on for these
> "average Joe's" or Joe Six Pack or whatever they are.

Papa, when I was single I met few women that read more into my comments
than you do into mine. My comment about getting "out more" was a joke.
You lead with your chin at times expecting the worst and miss the
subtlety of my humor -- OK I at least think I am clever.

I didn't go to Eton or Rugby but I knew by freshman year of HS about
Islam. Perhaps I figured if kids in the South Bronx were learning about
the basics of Islam it was going on in other places. I still think it
is difficult not to have picked it up, even by osmosis, since the
Iranian Revolution & subsequently 9/11. My personal opinion about
Islam is that it is radically different than mainstream Judaism and
Christianity and not in a good way. It doesn't make Muslims bad
people--I have actually prayed with Mulsims-- but I think for quite a
few reasons it allows bad people & bad ideas to thrive.

As for the attacks on Muslims in this country please stop it. No one
with a brain or a conscience in America would justify an attack on an
innocent. The attacks were very few and I feel terrible that any
happened but in a country of nearly 300MM and with all the guns floating
around I was pleased at how rare they were after 9/11. We didn't round
up Americans & put them in camps like we did in WW2 so maybe we have
improved.

As for the Democrats being different, well, that is your opinion. I
don't share it and obviously think they are worse based on my choices. I
am conservative first, GOPer second, but Ihave voted for a GOP for
president since Bush sr.

As for your experience with transplants & insurance companies, I am not
sure what that has to do with anything I wrote. I think there are huge
issues in health care delivery in the US, and I have written before, to
me that isn't near the top of the list but I have never needed one so my
views aren't shaped by that experience.

>
>
>>>
>>>> Tribes....that what we are seeing
>>>>> now, today in America. We are becoming very tribal. But....our tribe,
>>>>> The NY Jets, are the best tribe. Did you ever read any of the
>>>>> anthropology of sport...that addresses that concept. Sports teams are
>>>>> totems and tribal symbols. I'd love to get together some time and talk
>>>>> about all this stuff. Have a good weekend. Papa
>


== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 7:29 am
From: Johnctx


Johnctx wrote:
> papa.carl44 wrote:
>> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
>> news:gJWdnZOB0_RgXDrWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>>> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:4omdnSYQhbPy8jrWnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:15efa87a-ab8a-446b-840a-f8f5c5eb762c@f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 19, 1:59 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> news:4e294770-6974-4148-be5a-2fcb39f90f83@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 10:10 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:d0724001-19c6-4340-80a6-c36882d40f53@e7g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 5:29 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:6a0d6db2-b759-48fc-8c2b-9f62ce9f9f8e@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 3:27 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 2:39 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 1:59 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 9:23 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 16, 3:29 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I realize that they are two different players but I also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another 31 year old back for the Jets was told might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill at 31.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TomlLa00.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MartCu00.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT really looked like a spent player last season. It has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do with him being "told" he is over the hill. His
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is telling. To my eyes, it looked like it was high time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fork in him. I would not mind it they paid him one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year and that would be it, but... The deal that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given how he looked last season... Well... I think they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million out their ass and left with the same smile that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had at "Fair Deal Dan's" used car lot after he was sold on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real cream puff. LT is not only a retread, he's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retread that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing air and leaving rubber chunks along the road.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael, remember I wanted to keep Jones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He may be done but how many guys play on a high ankle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sprain at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After you answer that tell me why they don't & then tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to reconsider what you saw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Early in the year Jet fans were screaming about T Jones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ypc average & how they were inflated by some long runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill guy are we talking about? Jones or Washington?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some things to consider:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They may have decided Greene is our guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jones sucks unless he runs the ball 20 times a game
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither Jones or Greene can catch the ball and we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He can block --which Washington can't-- so we have a pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that can block on play action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He rarely fumbles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is good at short runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This may not work out and we cut him in training camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is cheap insurance. He may revert to where he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008 in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case Tannenbaum & Ryan are brilliant.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John.... If his injury is what was holding him up, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done better for 2.5 mil. I dont think that is the case,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes... I agree that even if he cant run the ball the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see, he can still offer top quality smarts and years of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both a rout runner and a pass blocker. I have been a big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fan of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jets brass for decisions like Revis, Harris, Mangold,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keller and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all, the Sanchez deal and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Rex... I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bashing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in the least... I just pointing out that I saw LT as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> washed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up as a ball carrier. And yes... They could think Green
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be all for it if not for the remaining questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Green's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> durability. Not to mention, the questions about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington. For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ground and pound" team this direction to push Jones out and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT seems a bit dicey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also been wondering... Who do you think is the lead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy(s)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Getting rid of Jones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Signing LT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Cromartie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Rhodes for a 4th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael, why isn't Leon "the guy"? He's the only back on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now without question marks. And arguably he's a top 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back in this league. In my view, it's his job to lose. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see LT's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions coming more on 3rd down.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no reason for sure to say that leon is NOT the guy... Just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dicey...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was never proven that he can take the pounding of a first line
>>>>>>>>>>>>> back..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> second off... can he regain his form ??? i'm betting he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a big 'If" Not to mention all the recent talk that it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "50/50"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if he will be a jet next season... so... no sure thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leon
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for several good reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait... so Leon hasn't proven that he can take a pounding, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greene
>>>>>>>>>>>> has? If anything, I'd think the opposite is true. Admit it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're
>>>>>>>>>>>> still hung up about his size. :)
>>>>>>>>>>> huh ??? where did i say that i was sure green could take the
>>>>>>>>>>> pounding ??? i also questioned green's durability... did you not
>>>>>>>>>>> see ???
>>>>>>>>>> I saw where you said that. But you also said that you think
>>>>>>>>>> Greene is
>>>>>>>>>> "the guy" -- no mention of Leon -- and I can't really figure
>>>>>>>>>> out why
>>>>>>>>>> except for the part where you said that Leon hasn't proven
>>>>>>>>>> that he can
>>>>>>>>>> take a pounding. That's why I was wondering -- and Greene has?
>>>>>>>>>> I just can't figure out where all this Greene-love is coming
>>>>>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>>>>> He's
>>>>>>>>>> an intriguing prospect, no doubt, but it's hard for me to
>>>>>>>>>> imagine that
>>>>>>>>>> he's the frontrunner for the job at this point. Maybe a full
>>>>>>>>>> camp and
>>>>>>>>>> preseason of wowing the coaches gets him there, but that's far
>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>> given.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> i'm only thinking out loud when i say "green is the guy". there
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> questions about him that i have never ignored. he's untested
>>>>>>>>> Hey...it's late at night, I can't sleep...I just got into this
>>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> can't follow all of it. As far as I can tell...Rex is on a
>>>>>>>>> diet, Greene
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> the way to go, Ryan is Irish and sometimes when the old Irish
>>>>>>>>> get pissed
>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>> or worried they eat people. Does this mean that if Rex gets
>>>>>>>>> nasty while
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> this weight loss thing he may gobble up one of the RB's in
>>>>>>>>> camp? Oh,
>>>>>>>>> BTW...I had some surgery on my ear...it hurts like Hell...so
>>>>>>>>> I'll take
>>>>>>>>> another pain pill and try and go back to bed. Did I get this
>>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>> right?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>> sounds about right :-) though, the forensic archeological evidence
>>>>>>>> that we have indicates that it was the druidic Celtic peoples of
>>>>>>>> Britain and not specifically the Irish that ritually killed and ate
>>>>>>>> each other for religious purposes. though, it cant be ruled out
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> similar things went on at the same time across the Irish sea. there
>>>>>>>> were Celtic peoples on both sides of the English channel and both
>>>>>>>> sides of the Irish sea, but separation by the water caused a lot of
>>>>>>>> cultural distinctions, especially between Ireland and the rest
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> Celtic world. I could still see Rex trying to eat a player or coach
>>>>>>>> if cheeseburgers were not readily available.
>>>>>>>> Do you realize we read the same books, information and watch the
>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>> on NGC or Discovery too...I'm neve sure what is is I'm looking
>>>>>>>> at channel
>>>>>>>> wise, I just find all the stuff by my "bookmarks" and watch it. My
>>>>>>>> grandparents on both sides were immigrants. One side is Swedish
>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>> other Irish. I always figured that made me one of those renegade
>>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>>> breeds they would brand by notching their ears. That was during
>>>>>>>> the wars
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the times of Brian Boru etc. As for Rex....how many
>>>>>>>> cheeseburgers do you
>>>>>>>> have to eat to get to that point so quickly?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>> "reneade half breed" ha ! good one. I have a long Italian
>>>>>>> pedegree, none the less, Italy has been a "melting pot" for a few
>>>>>>> thousand years prior to my ancestors coming over to the new world.
>>>>>>> all of us are half breeds. "race" is a horse shit notion that the
>>>>>>> media and the government are queer to promulgate
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was a big deal to the ancients. But on the stuff today...I
>>>>>>> agree, most
>>>>>>> of the "problems" we deal with today are over either supposed
>>>>>>> race or
>>>>>>> religion...and if you world view indicates an Armageddon to
>>>>>>> come...there is
>>>>>>> a good chance you will act in such a way as to make that happen.
>>>>>>> OMHO, Papa- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>> agree 100 % papa. lots of people incorrectly believe that most of
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> "problems" including the wars we had/have are a result of economic
>>>>>> interests. total bs. resources of all kinds including land and
>>>>>> political power do not prove to be problematic to share/distribute
>>>>>> among kindred peoples. look at the reasons why groups/individuals/
>>>>>> countries try to pry resources away from "the other ones". perceived
>>>>>> divisions cause wars and "problems" not stacks of money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup...very correct.
>>>>> No, not correct at all. It is simplistic to say one factor causes
>>>>> problems.It is more simplistic to dismiss economic & political
>>>>> greed & replace it "us & them."
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at most wars fought & the biggest reason is about power
>>>>> usually economic but sometimes political. Revolutions occur when
>>>>> the middle class, in the classical sense, can't exert their
>>>>> political muscle that goes with their economic might.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you think of yourself as a follower of history, a must read.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Anatomy of Revolution
>>>>> ISBN 0-394-70044-9
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as all the folks who have it are the "same" and
>>>>>> part of the "same tribe" there is a sense that it can be shared
>>>>>> somehow. This has its roots in the gift economy too. I've been
>>>>>> re-reading The Gift recently by Marcel Maus. It's really
>>>>>> interesting to see how much differently we see things when we come
>>>>>> back to something we read over 25 years ago. There is a line in a
>>>>>> Kris Kristofferson song about the reaction fellow singer Steve
>>>>>> Earle got when he did a song about "The American Taliban." Earle
>>>>>> took a rather sympathetic point of view because he recognized how
>>>>>> screwed up this young man was and what had driven him to this
>>>>>> end. In Kristofferson's song he notes that "we're all sons of
>>>>>> Abraham"....my guess is the overwhelming majority of Americans
>>>>>> have NO idea that Islam came from the same tradition as Judaism
>>>>>> and Christianity. I recently told an "aquaintence" one of the
>>>>>> profits of Islam was Abraham and another was Jesus...he went
>>>>>> ballistic on me and told me those "heathens" have nothing to do
>>>>>> with "our people."
>>>>> This guy had to have live under a rock. Anyone who has read a
>>>>> paper in the last 40 years would know that. I would bet that is
>>>>> more common knowledge today than it was 40 years ago.
>>>> Well....he didn't live under a rock...he lives in Philadelphia, is
>>>> fairly wealthy, owns a business that is thriving even in these
>>>> economic days and is an evangelical "born again Christian".....that
>>>> is what Michael and I were talking about in the first place...my
>>>> impression is most of the extreme Right who make cartoon references
>>>> to The President would also fit into this category.....
>>> Well I would say you need to get out more.
>>>
>>> It isn't a right or left thing it is a people thing. It is why
>>> politicians are having a ball with offering nothing of substance.
>>> Hell even Obama who is obviously a bright man and has the ability to
>>> communicate gets away with it.
>>>
>>> I still think most people with a pulse know of the prophets of Islam.
>>> Maybe I overestimate the average Joe.
>>
>> John....I'd guess I get out a Hell of a lot more than you do, or at
>> least as much. I get to travel with a vastly diverse cross section of
>> people. You do overestimate some people, quite a bit. You also
>> assume the same forces work at both ends of the social or political
>> spectrum and they don't. The words of Will Rogers are very
>> significant now....the reason Democrats rarely agree is that usually
>> you have a mix of diverse opinions and a lot of fairly open minded
>> people. I'm talking party wide, not the clowns who get elected and
>> often masquerade. The progressive side does not have the level of
>> certitude about everything that the right has. As far as substance
>> goes....not being able to turn down a child for pre-existing
>> conditions is a lot of substance. My jobs have put me in contact with
>> families who have lived through this and I've seen people destroyed by
>> it. I don't expect you to agree with anything I say. You are
>> entitled to your own opinions, but there are some basic facts and only
>> one set of them. I wish you were right about most people with a
>> pulse....they flat out don't have a clue. Look what happened post
>> 9/11....Seihks with turbans on were attacked at their places of
>> business.....my next door neighbor is a fairly educated person and he
>> has NO clue about any of this and believes whatever far right garbage
>> some buddy of his says...and he especially believes it if Bill O'
>> Reilly says it. The one I love is the Nazi / Communist combination
>> they have created. Not much of an understanding of history going on
>> for these "average Joe's" or Joe Six Pack or whatever they are.
>
> Papa, when I was single I met few women that read more into my comments
> than you do into mine. My comment about getting "out more" was a joke.
> You lead with your chin at times expecting the worst and miss the
> subtlety of my humor -- OK I at least think I am clever.
>
> I didn't go to Eton or Rugby but I knew by freshman year of HS about
> Islam. Perhaps I figured if kids in the South Bronx were learning about
> the basics of Islam it was going on in other places. I still think it
> is difficult not to have picked it up, even by osmosis, since the
> Iranian Revolution & subsequently 9/11. My personal opinion about
> Islam is that it is radically different than mainstream Judaism and
> Christianity and not in a good way. It doesn't make Muslims bad
> people--I have actually prayed with Mulsims-- but I think for quite a
> few reasons it allows bad people & bad ideas to thrive.
>
> As for the attacks on Muslims in this country please stop it. No one
> with a brain or a conscience in America would justify an attack on an
> innocent. The attacks were very few and I feel terrible that any
> happened but in a country of nearly 300MM and with all the guns floating
> around I was pleased at how rare they were after 9/11. We didn't round
> up Americans & put them in camps like we did in WW2 so maybe we have
> improved.
>
> As for the Democrats being different, well, that is your opinion. I
> don't share it and obviously think they are worse based on my choices. I
> am conservative first, GOPer second, but Ihave voted for a GOP for
> president since Bush sr.

should read "have not voted"
>
> As for your experience with transplants & insurance companies, I am not
> sure what that has to do with anything I wrote. I think there are huge
> issues in health care delivery in the US, and I have written before, to
> me that isn't near the top of the list but I have never needed one so my
> views aren't shaped by that experience.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> Tribes....that what we are seeing
>>>>>> now, today in America. We are becoming very tribal. But....our
>>>>>> tribe, The NY Jets, are the best tribe. Did you ever read any of
>>>>>> the anthropology of sport...that addresses that concept. Sports
>>>>>> teams are totems and tribal symbols. I'd love to get together
>>>>>> some time and talk about all this stuff. Have a good weekend. Papa
>>


== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 7:43 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
news:l--dnUWjVpOdTTXWnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> papa.carl44 wrote:
>> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
>> news:gJWdnZOB0_RgXDrWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>>> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:4omdnSYQhbPy8jrWnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:15efa87a-ab8a-446b-840a-f8f5c5eb762c@f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On Mar 19, 1:59 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> news:4e294770-6974-4148-be5a-2fcb39f90f83@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 10:10 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:d0724001-19c6-4340-80a6-c36882d40f53@e7g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 5:29 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:6a0d6db2-b759-48fc-8c2b-9f62ce9f9f8e@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 3:27 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 2:39 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 1:59 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 9:23 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 16, 3:29 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I realize that they are two different players but I also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another 31 year old back for the Jets was told might be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill at 31.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TomlLa00.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MartCu00.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT really looked like a spent player last season. It has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do with him being "told" he is over the hill. His results
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is telling. To my eyes, it looked like it was high time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fork in him. I would not mind it they paid him one million
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year and that would be it, but... The deal that they made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given how he looked last season... Well... I think they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million out their ass and left with the same smile that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had at "Fair Deal Dan's" used car lot after he was sold on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real cream puff. LT is not only a retread, he's a retread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing air and leaving rubber chunks along the road.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael, remember I wanted to keep Jones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He may be done but how many guys play on a high ankle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sprain at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After you answer that tell me why they don't & then tell me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to reconsider what you saw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Early in the year Jet fans were screaming about T Jones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ypc average & how they were inflated by some long runs so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill guy are we talking about? Jones or Washington?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some things to consider:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They may have decided Greene is our guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jones sucks unless he runs the ball 20 times a game
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither Jones or Greene can catch the ball and we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He can block --which Washington can't-- so we have a pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that can block on play action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He rarely fumbles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is good at short runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This may not work out and we cut him in training camp. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is cheap insurance. He may revert to where he was in 2008
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case Tannenbaum & Ryan are brilliant.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John.... If his injury is what was holding him up, we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done better for 2.5 mil. I dont think that is the case,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes... I agree that even if he cant run the ball the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see, he can still offer top quality smarts and years of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both a rout runner and a pass blocker. I have been a big fan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jets brass for decisions like Revis, Harris, Mangold, Keller
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all, the Sanchez deal and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Rex... I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bashing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in the least... I just pointing out that I saw LT as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> washed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up as a ball carrier. And yes... They could think Green is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be all for it if not for the remaining questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Green's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> durability. Not to mention, the questions about Washington.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ground and pound" team this direction to push Jones out and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT seems a bit dicey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also been wondering... Who do you think is the lead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy(s)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Getting rid of Jones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Signing LT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Cromartie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Rhodes for a 4th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael, why isn't Leon "the guy"? He's the only back on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now without question marks. And arguably he's a top 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back in this league. In my view, it's his job to lose. I see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions coming more on 3rd down.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no reason for sure to say that leon is NOT the guy... Just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dicey...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was never proven that he can take the pounding of a first line
>>>>>>>>>>>>> back..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> second off... can he regain his form ??? i'm betting he can,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a big 'If" Not to mention all the recent talk that it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "50/50"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if he will be a jet next season... so... no sure thing there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leon
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for several good reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait... so Leon hasn't proven that he can take a pounding, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greene
>>>>>>>>>>>> has? If anything, I'd think the opposite is true. Admit it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're
>>>>>>>>>>>> still hung up about his size. :)
>>>>>>>>>>> huh ??? where did i say that i was sure green could take the
>>>>>>>>>>> pounding ??? i also questioned green's durability... did you not
>>>>>>>>>>> see ???
>>>>>>>>>> I saw where you said that. But you also said that you think
>>>>>>>>>> Greene is
>>>>>>>>>> "the guy" -- no mention of Leon -- and I can't really figure out
>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>> except for the part where you said that Leon hasn't proven that
>>>>>>>>>> he can
>>>>>>>>>> take a pounding. That's why I was wondering -- and Greene has?
>>>>>>>>>> I just can't figure out where all this Greene-love is coming
>>>>>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>>>>> He's
>>>>>>>>>> an intriguing prospect, no doubt, but it's hard for me to imagine
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> he's the frontrunner for the job at this point. Maybe a full camp
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> preseason of wowing the coaches gets him there, but that's far
>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>> given.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> i'm only thinking out loud when i say "green is the guy". there
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> questions about him that i have never ignored. he's untested
>>>>>>>>> Hey...it's late at night, I can't sleep...I just got into this
>>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> can't follow all of it. As far as I can tell...Rex is on a diet,
>>>>>>>>> Greene
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> the way to go, Ryan is Irish and sometimes when the old Irish get
>>>>>>>>> pissed
>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>> or worried they eat people. Does this mean that if Rex gets nasty
>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> this weight loss thing he may gobble up one of the RB's in camp?
>>>>>>>>> Oh,
>>>>>>>>> BTW...I had some surgery on my ear...it hurts like Hell...so I'll
>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>> another pain pill and try and go back to bed. Did I get this
>>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>> right?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>> sounds about right :-) though, the forensic archeological evidence
>>>>>>>> that we have indicates that it was the druidic Celtic peoples of
>>>>>>>> Britain and not specifically the Irish that ritually killed and ate
>>>>>>>> each other for religious purposes. though, it cant be ruled out
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> similar things went on at the same time across the Irish sea. there
>>>>>>>> were Celtic peoples on both sides of the English channel and both
>>>>>>>> sides of the Irish sea, but separation by the water caused a lot of
>>>>>>>> cultural distinctions, especially between Ireland and the rest of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Celtic world. I could still see Rex trying to eat a player or coach
>>>>>>>> if cheeseburgers were not readily available.
>>>>>>>> Do you realize we read the same books, information and watch the
>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>> on NGC or Discovery too...I'm neve sure what is is I'm looking at
>>>>>>>> channel
>>>>>>>> wise, I just find all the stuff by my "bookmarks" and watch it. My
>>>>>>>> grandparents on both sides were immigrants. One side is Swedish and
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> other Irish. I always figured that made me one of those renegade
>>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>>> breeds they would brand by notching their ears. That was during the
>>>>>>>> wars
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the times of Brian Boru etc. As for Rex....how many cheeseburgers
>>>>>>>> do you
>>>>>>>> have to eat to get to that point so quickly?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>> "reneade half breed" ha ! good one. I have a long Italian
>>>>>>> pedegree, none the less, Italy has been a "melting pot" for a few
>>>>>>> thousand years prior to my ancestors coming over to the new world.
>>>>>>> all of us are half breeds. "race" is a horse shit notion that the
>>>>>>> media and the government are queer to promulgate
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was a big deal to the ancients. But on the stuff today...I agree,
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>> of the "problems" we deal with today are over either supposed race
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> religion...and if you world view indicates an Armageddon to
>>>>>>> come...there is
>>>>>>> a good chance you will act in such a way as to make that happen.
>>>>>>> OMHO, Papa- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>> agree 100 % papa. lots of people incorrectly believe that most of
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> "problems" including the wars we had/have are a result of economic
>>>>>> interests. total bs. resources of all kinds including land and
>>>>>> political power do not prove to be problematic to share/distribute
>>>>>> among kindred peoples. look at the reasons why groups/individuals/
>>>>>> countries try to pry resources away from "the other ones". perceived
>>>>>> divisions cause wars and "problems" not stacks of money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup...very correct.
>>>>> No, not correct at all. It is simplistic to say one factor causes
>>>>> problems.It is more simplistic to dismiss economic & political greed &
>>>>> replace it "us & them."
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at most wars fought & the biggest reason is about power usually
>>>>> economic but sometimes political. Revolutions occur when the middle
>>>>> class, in the classical sense, can't exert their political muscle that
>>>>> goes with their economic might.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you think of yourself as a follower of history, a must read.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Anatomy of Revolution
>>>>> ISBN 0-394-70044-9
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as all the folks who have it are the "same" and
>>>>>> part of the "same tribe" there is a sense that it can be shared
>>>>>> somehow. This has its roots in the gift economy too. I've been
>>>>>> re-reading The Gift recently by Marcel Maus. It's really interesting
>>>>>> to see how much differently we see things when we come back to
>>>>>> something we read over 25 years ago. There is a line in a Kris
>>>>>> Kristofferson song about the reaction fellow singer Steve Earle got
>>>>>> when he did a song about "The American Taliban." Earle took a rather
>>>>>> sympathetic point of view because he recognized how screwed up this
>>>>>> young man was and what had driven him to this end. In
>>>>>> Kristofferson's song he notes that "we're all sons of Abraham"....my
>>>>>> guess is the overwhelming majority of Americans have NO idea that
>>>>>> Islam came from the same tradition as Judaism and Christianity. I
>>>>>> recently told an "aquaintence" one of the profits of Islam was
>>>>>> Abraham and another was Jesus...he went ballistic on me and told me
>>>>>> those "heathens" have nothing to do with "our people."
>>>>> This guy had to have live under a rock. Anyone who has read a paper
>>>>> in the last 40 years would know that. I would bet that is more common
>>>>> knowledge today than it was 40 years ago.
>>>> Well....he didn't live under a rock...he lives in Philadelphia, is
>>>> fairly wealthy, owns a business that is thriving even in these economic
>>>> days and is an evangelical "born again Christian".....that is what
>>>> Michael and I were talking about in the first place...my impression is
>>>> most of the extreme Right who make cartoon references to The President
>>>> would also fit into this category.....
>>> Well I would say you need to get out more.
>>>
>>> It isn't a right or left thing it is a people thing. It is why
>>> politicians are having a ball with offering nothing of substance. Hell
>>> even Obama who is obviously a bright man and has the ability to
>>> communicate gets away with it.
>>>
>>> I still think most people with a pulse know of the prophets of Islam.
>>> Maybe I overestimate the average Joe.
>>
>> John....I'd guess I get out a Hell of a lot more than you do, or at least
>> as much. I get to travel with a vastly diverse cross section of people.
>> You do overestimate some people, quite a bit. You also assume the same
>> forces work at both ends of the social or political spectrum and they
>> don't. The words of Will Rogers are very significant now....the reason
>> Democrats rarely agree is that usually you have a mix of diverse opinions
>> and a lot of fairly open minded people. I'm talking party wide, not the
>> clowns who get elected and often masquerade. The progressive side does
>> not have the level of certitude about everything that the right has. As
>> far as substance goes....not being able to turn down a child for
>> pre-existing conditions is a lot of substance. My jobs have put me in
>> contact with families who have lived through this and I've seen people
>> destroyed by it. I don't expect you to agree with anything I say. You
>> are entitled to your own opinions, but there are some basic facts and
>> only one set of them. I wish you were right about most people with a
>> pulse....they flat out don't have a clue. Look what happened post
>> 9/11....Seihks with turbans on were attacked at their places of
>> business.....my next door neighbor is a fairly educated person and he has
>> NO clue about any of this and believes whatever far right garbage some
>> buddy of his says...and he especially believes it if Bill O' Reilly says
>> it. The one I love is the Nazi / Communist combination they have
>> created. Not much of an understanding of history going on for these
>> "average Joe's" or Joe Six Pack or whatever they are.
>
> Papa, when I was single I met few women that read more into my comments
> than you do into mine. My comment about getting "out more" was a joke. You
> lead with your chin at times expecting the worst and miss the subtlety of
> my humor -- OK I at least think I am clever.
>
> I didn't go to Eton or Rugby but I knew by freshman year of HS about
> Islam. Perhaps I figured if kids in the South Bronx were learning about
> the basics of Islam it was going on in other places. I still think it is
> difficult not to have picked it up, even by osmosis, since the Iranian
> Revolution & subsequently 9/11. My personal opinion about Islam is that
> it is radically different than mainstream Judaism and Christianity and not
> in a good way. It doesn't make Muslims bad people--I have actually prayed
> with Mulsims-- but I think for quite a few reasons it allows bad people &
> bad ideas to thrive.
>
> As for the attacks on Muslims in this country please stop it. No one with
> a brain or a conscience in America would justify an attack on an innocent.
> The attacks were very few and I feel terrible that any happened but in a
> country of nearly 300MM and with all the guns floating around I was
> pleased at how rare they were after 9/11. We didn't round up Americans &
> put them in camps like we did in WW2 so maybe we have improved.
>
> As for the Democrats being different, well, that is your opinion. I don't
> share it and obviously think they are worse based on my choices. I am
> conservative first, GOPer second, but Ihave voted for a GOP for president
> since Bush sr.
>
> As for your experience with transplants & insurance companies, I am not
> sure what that has to do with anything I wrote. I think there are huge
> issues in health care delivery in the US, and I have written before, to me
> that isn't near the top of the list but I have never needed one so my
> views aren't shaped by that experience.

This is not a good medium to converse in....when you try to be subtle or use
inuendo or whatever in email it just does not work.....perhaps if I could
hear you, was given the clues you use verbally etc. I'd pick up the fact you
were not being serious. We would probably have a great discussion one to
one or even with Michael and Johnny and Burf and whoever else could be
there.


>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> Tribes....that what we are seeing
>>>>>> now, today in America. We are becoming very tribal. But....our
>>>>>> tribe, The NY Jets, are the best tribe. Did you ever read any of the
>>>>>> anthropology of sport...that addresses that concept. Sports teams
>>>>>> are totems and tribal symbols. I'd love to get together some time
>>>>>> and talk about all this stuff. Have a good weekend. Papa
>>


== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 7:47 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
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> Johnctx wrote:
>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
>>> news:gJWdnZOB0_RgXDrWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>>>> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4omdnSYQhbPy8jrWnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:15efa87a-ab8a-446b-840a-f8f5c5eb762c@f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 1:59 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> news:4e294770-6974-4148-be5a-2fcb39f90f83@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 10:10 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:d0724001-19c6-4340-80a6-c36882d40f53@e7g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 5:29 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:6a0d6db2-b759-48fc-8c2b-9f62ce9f9f8e@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 3:27 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 2:39 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 1:59 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 9:23 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 16, 3:29 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I realize that they are two different players but I also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another 31 year old back for the Jets was told might be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill at 31.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TomlLa00.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MartCu00.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT really looked like a spent player last season. It has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do with him being "told" he is over the hill. His results
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is telling. To my eyes, it looked like it was high time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fork in him. I would not mind it they paid him one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year and that would be it, but... The deal that they made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given how he looked last season... Well... I think they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million out their ass and left with the same smile that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had at "Fair Deal Dan's" used car lot after he was sold
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real cream puff. LT is not only a retread, he's a retread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing air and leaving rubber chunks along the road.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael, remember I wanted to keep Jones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He may be done but how many guys play on a high ankle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sprain at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After you answer that tell me why they don't & then tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to reconsider what you saw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Early in the year Jet fans were screaming about T Jones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ypc average & how they were inflated by some long runs so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill guy are we talking about? Jones or Washington?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some things to consider:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They may have decided Greene is our guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jones sucks unless he runs the ball 20 times a game
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither Jones or Greene can catch the ball and we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He can block --which Washington can't-- so we have a pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that can block on play action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He rarely fumbles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is good at short runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This may not work out and we cut him in training camp. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is cheap insurance. He may revert to where he was in 2008
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case Tannenbaum & Ryan are brilliant.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John.... If his injury is what was holding him up, we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done better for 2.5 mil. I dont think that is the case,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes... I agree that even if he cant run the ball the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see, he can still offer top quality smarts and years of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both a rout runner and a pass blocker. I have been a big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fan of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jets brass for decisions like Revis, Harris, Mangold,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keller and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all, the Sanchez deal and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Rex... I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bashing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in the least... I just pointing out that I saw LT as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> washed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up as a ball carrier. And yes... They could think Green is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be all for it if not for the remaining questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Green's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> durability. Not to mention, the questions about Washington.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ground and pound" team this direction to push Jones out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT seems a bit dicey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also been wondering... Who do you think is the lead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy(s)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Getting rid of Jones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Signing LT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Cromartie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Rhodes for a 4th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael, why isn't Leon "the guy"? He's the only back on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now without question marks. And arguably he's a top 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back in this league. In my view, it's his job to lose. I see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions coming more on 3rd down.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no reason for sure to say that leon is NOT the guy... Just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dicey...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was never proven that he can take the pounding of a first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second off... can he regain his form ??? i'm betting he can,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a big 'If" Not to mention all the recent talk that it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "50/50"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if he will be a jet next season... so... no sure thing there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for several good reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait... so Leon hasn't proven that he can take a pounding, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greene
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has? If anything, I'd think the opposite is true. Admit it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still hung up about his size. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>> huh ??? where did i say that i was sure green could take the
>>>>>>>>>>>> pounding ??? i also questioned green's durability... did you
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> see ???
>>>>>>>>>>> I saw where you said that. But you also said that you think
>>>>>>>>>>> Greene is
>>>>>>>>>>> "the guy" -- no mention of Leon -- and I can't really figure out
>>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>>> except for the part where you said that Leon hasn't proven that
>>>>>>>>>>> he can
>>>>>>>>>>> take a pounding. That's why I was wondering -- and Greene has?
>>>>>>>>>>> I just can't figure out where all this Greene-love is coming
>>>>>>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>>>>>> He's
>>>>>>>>>>> an intriguing prospect, no doubt, but it's hard for me to
>>>>>>>>>>> imagine that
>>>>>>>>>>> he's the frontrunner for the job at this point. Maybe a full
>>>>>>>>>>> camp and
>>>>>>>>>>> preseason of wowing the coaches gets him there, but that's far
>>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>>> given.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>> i'm only thinking out loud when i say "green is the guy". there
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> questions about him that i have never ignored. he's untested
>>>>>>>>>> Hey...it's late at night, I can't sleep...I just got into this
>>>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> can't follow all of it. As far as I can tell...Rex is on a diet,
>>>>>>>>>> Greene
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> the way to go, Ryan is Irish and sometimes when the old Irish get
>>>>>>>>>> pissed
>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>> or worried they eat people. Does this mean that if Rex gets nasty
>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> this weight loss thing he may gobble up one of the RB's in camp?
>>>>>>>>>> Oh,
>>>>>>>>>> BTW...I had some surgery on my ear...it hurts like Hell...so I'll
>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>> another pain pill and try and go back to bed. Did I get this
>>>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>>> right?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> sounds about right :-) though, the forensic archeological evidence
>>>>>>>>> that we have indicates that it was the druidic Celtic peoples of
>>>>>>>>> Britain and not specifically the Irish that ritually killed and
>>>>>>>>> ate
>>>>>>>>> each other for religious purposes. though, it cant be ruled out
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> similar things went on at the same time across the Irish sea.
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> were Celtic peoples on both sides of the English channel and both
>>>>>>>>> sides of the Irish sea, but separation by the water caused a lot
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> cultural distinctions, especially between Ireland and the rest of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Celtic world. I could still see Rex trying to eat a player or
>>>>>>>>> coach
>>>>>>>>> if cheeseburgers were not readily available.
>>>>>>>>> Do you realize we read the same books, information and watch the
>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>> on NGC or Discovery too...I'm neve sure what is is I'm looking at
>>>>>>>>> channel
>>>>>>>>> wise, I just find all the stuff by my "bookmarks" and watch it. My
>>>>>>>>> grandparents on both sides were immigrants. One side is Swedish
>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>> other Irish. I always figured that made me one of those renegade
>>>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>>>> breeds they would brand by notching their ears. That was during
>>>>>>>>> the wars
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the times of Brian Boru etc. As for Rex....how many cheeseburgers
>>>>>>>>> do you
>>>>>>>>> have to eat to get to that point so quickly?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>> "reneade half breed" ha ! good one. I have a long Italian
>>>>>>>> pedegree, none the less, Italy has been a "melting pot" for a few
>>>>>>>> thousand years prior to my ancestors coming over to the new world.
>>>>>>>> all of us are half breeds. "race" is a horse shit notion that the
>>>>>>>> media and the government are queer to promulgate
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was a big deal to the ancients. But on the stuff today...I
>>>>>>>> agree, most
>>>>>>>> of the "problems" we deal with today are over either supposed race
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> religion...and if you world view indicates an Armageddon to
>>>>>>>> come...there is
>>>>>>>> a good chance you will act in such a way as to make that happen.
>>>>>>>> OMHO, Papa- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>> agree 100 % papa. lots of people incorrectly believe that most of
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> "problems" including the wars we had/have are a result of economic
>>>>>>> interests. total bs. resources of all kinds including land and
>>>>>>> political power do not prove to be problematic to share/distribute
>>>>>>> among kindred peoples. look at the reasons why groups/individuals/
>>>>>>> countries try to pry resources away from "the other ones".
>>>>>>> perceived
>>>>>>> divisions cause wars and "problems" not stacks of money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup...very correct.
>>>>>> No, not correct at all. It is simplistic to say one factor causes
>>>>>> problems.It is more simplistic to dismiss economic & political greed
>>>>>> & replace it "us & them."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at most wars fought & the biggest reason is about power usually
>>>>>> economic but sometimes political. Revolutions occur when the middle
>>>>>> class, in the classical sense, can't exert their political muscle
>>>>>> that goes with their economic might.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you think of yourself as a follower of history, a must read.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Anatomy of Revolution
>>>>>> ISBN 0-394-70044-9
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As long as all the folks who have it are the "same" and
>>>>>>> part of the "same tribe" there is a sense that it can be shared
>>>>>>> somehow. This has its roots in the gift economy too. I've been
>>>>>>> re-reading The Gift recently by Marcel Maus. It's really
>>>>>>> interesting to see how much differently we see things when we come
>>>>>>> back to something we read over 25 years ago. There is a line in a
>>>>>>> Kris Kristofferson song about the reaction fellow singer Steve Earle
>>>>>>> got when he did a song about "The American Taliban." Earle took a
>>>>>>> rather sympathetic point of view because he recognized how screwed
>>>>>>> up this young man was and what had driven him to this end. In
>>>>>>> Kristofferson's song he notes that "we're all sons of Abraham"....my
>>>>>>> guess is the overwhelming majority of Americans have NO idea that
>>>>>>> Islam came from the same tradition as Judaism and Christianity. I
>>>>>>> recently told an "aquaintence" one of the profits of Islam was
>>>>>>> Abraham and another was Jesus...he went ballistic on me and told me
>>>>>>> those "heathens" have nothing to do with "our people."
>>>>>> This guy had to have live under a rock. Anyone who has read a paper
>>>>>> in the last 40 years would know that. I would bet that is more
>>>>>> common knowledge today than it was 40 years ago.
>>>>> Well....he didn't live under a rock...he lives in Philadelphia, is
>>>>> fairly wealthy, owns a business that is thriving even in these
>>>>> economic days and is an evangelical "born again Christian".....that is
>>>>> what Michael and I were talking about in the first place...my
>>>>> impression is most of the extreme Right who make cartoon references to
>>>>> The President would also fit into this category.....
>>>> Well I would say you need to get out more.
>>>>
>>>> It isn't a right or left thing it is a people thing. It is why
>>>> politicians are having a ball with offering nothing of substance. Hell
>>>> even Obama who is obviously a bright man and has the ability to
>>>> communicate gets away with it.
>>>>
>>>> I still think most people with a pulse know of the prophets of Islam.
>>>> Maybe I overestimate the average Joe.
>>>
>>> John....I'd guess I get out a Hell of a lot more than you do, or at
>>> least as much. I get to travel with a vastly diverse cross section of
>>> people. You do overestimate some people, quite a bit. You also assume
>>> the same forces work at both ends of the social or political spectrum
>>> and they don't. The words of Will Rogers are very significant
>>> now....the reason Democrats rarely agree is that usually you have a mix
>>> of diverse opinions and a lot of fairly open minded people. I'm talking
>>> party wide, not the clowns who get elected and often masquerade. The
>>> progressive side does not have the level of certitude about everything
>>> that the right has. As far as substance goes....not being able to turn
>>> down a child for pre-existing conditions is a lot of substance. My jobs
>>> have put me in contact with families who have lived through this and
>>> I've seen people destroyed by it. I don't expect you to agree with
>>> anything I say. You are entitled to your own opinions, but there are
>>> some basic facts and only one set of them. I wish you were right about
>>> most people with a pulse....they flat out don't have a clue. Look what
>>> happened post 9/11....Seihks with turbans on were attacked at their
>>> places of business.....my next door neighbor is a fairly educated person
>>> and he has NO clue about any of this and believes whatever far right
>>> garbage some buddy of his says...and he especially believes it if Bill
>>> O' Reilly says it. The one I love is the Nazi / Communist combination
>>> they have created. Not much of an understanding of history going on for
>>> these "average Joe's" or Joe Six Pack or whatever they are.
>>
>> Papa, when I was single I met few women that read more into my comments
>> than you do into mine. My comment about getting "out more" was a joke.
>> You lead with your chin at times expecting the worst and miss the
>> subtlety of my humor -- OK I at least think I am clever.
>>
>> I didn't go to Eton or Rugby but I knew by freshman year of HS about
>> Islam. Perhaps I figured if kids in the South Bronx were learning about
>> the basics of Islam it was going on in other places. I still think it is
>> difficult not to have picked it up, even by osmosis, since the Iranian
>> Revolution & subsequently 9/11. My personal opinion about Islam is that
>> it is radically different than mainstream Judaism and Christianity and
>> not in a good way. It doesn't make Muslims bad people--I have actually
>> prayed with Mulsims-- but I think for quite a few reasons it allows bad
>> people & bad ideas to thrive.
>>
>> As for the attacks on Muslims in this country please stop it. No one
>> with a brain or a conscience in America would justify an attack on an
>> innocent. The attacks were very few and I feel terrible that any
>> happened but in a country of nearly 300MM and with all the guns floating
>> around I was pleased at how rare they were after 9/11. We didn't round up
>> Americans & put them in camps like we did in WW2 so maybe we have
>> improved.
>>
>> As for the Democrats being different, well, that is your opinion. I
>> don't share it and obviously think they are worse based on my choices. I
>> am conservative first, GOPer second, but Ihave voted for a GOP for
>> president since Bush sr.
>
> should read "have not voted"

Goldwater was a conservative. Most of those today claiming to be
conservatives are a far cry from that position. By percentage points, Regan
increased the defecit by a far greater margin than any President in history.
He was only outdone by Bush II who increased the total amount but still not
by the huge percentage rise achived by Regan. It seems to me the "modern
conservatives" are anything but...it's all rhetoric. The current group have
gone way beyong being conservative and are merely reactionary
obstructionists. When I spoke of progressives I stated that by the time
they get themselves elected they have probably already co-opted to a system
that just may be the problem.

>>
>> As for your experience with transplants & insurance companies, I am not
>> sure what that has to do with anything I wrote. I think there are huge
>> issues in health care delivery in the US, and I have written before, to
>> me that isn't near the top of the list but I have never needed one so my
>> views aren't shaped by that experience.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tribes....that what we are seeing
>>>>>>> now, today in America. We are becoming very tribal. But....our
>>>>>>> tribe, The NY Jets, are the best tribe. Did you ever read any of
>>>>>>> the anthropology of sport...that addresses that concept. Sports
>>>>>>> teams are totems and tribal symbols. I'd love to get together some
>>>>>>> time and talk about all this stuff. Have a good weekend. Papa
>>>


== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 7:50 am
From: Johnctx


papa.carl44 wrote:
> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
> news:l--dnUWjVpOdTTXWnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
>>> news:gJWdnZOB0_RgXDrWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>>>> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4omdnSYQhbPy8jrWnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:15efa87a-ab8a-446b-840a-f8f5c5eb762c@f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 1:59 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> news:4e294770-6974-4148-be5a-2fcb39f90f83@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 10:10 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:d0724001-19c6-4340-80a6-c36882d40f53@e7g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 5:29 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:6a0d6db2-b759-48fc-8c2b-9f62ce9f9f8e@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 3:27 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 2:39 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 1:59 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 9:23 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 16, 3:29 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I realize that they are two different players but I also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another 31 year old back for the Jets was told might be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill at 31.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TomlLa00.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MartCu00.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT really looked like a spent player last season. It has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do with him being "told" he is over the hill. His results
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is telling. To my eyes, it looked like it was high time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fork in him. I would not mind it they paid him one million
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year and that would be it, but... The deal that they made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given how he looked last season... Well... I think they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million out their ass and left with the same smile that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had at "Fair Deal Dan's" used car lot after he was sold on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real cream puff. LT is not only a retread, he's a retread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing air and leaving rubber chunks along the road.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael, remember I wanted to keep Jones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He may be done but how many guys play on a high ankle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sprain at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After you answer that tell me why they don't & then tell me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to reconsider what you saw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Early in the year Jet fans were screaming about T Jones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ypc average & how they were inflated by some long runs so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill guy are we talking about? Jones or Washington?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some things to consider:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They may have decided Greene is our guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jones sucks unless he runs the ball 20 times a game
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither Jones or Greene can catch the ball and we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He can block --which Washington can't-- so we have a pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that can block on play action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He rarely fumbles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is good at short runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This may not work out and we cut him in training camp. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is cheap insurance. He may revert to where he was in 2008
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case Tannenbaum & Ryan are brilliant.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John.... If his injury is what was holding him up, we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done better for 2.5 mil. I dont think that is the case,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes... I agree that even if he cant run the ball the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see, he can still offer top quality smarts and years of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both a rout runner and a pass blocker. I have been a big fan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jets brass for decisions like Revis, Harris, Mangold, Keller
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all, the Sanchez deal and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Rex... I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bashing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in the least... I just pointing out that I saw LT as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> washed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up as a ball carrier. And yes... They could think Green is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be all for it if not for the remaining questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Green's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> durability. Not to mention, the questions about Washington.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ground and pound" team this direction to push Jones out and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT seems a bit dicey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also been wondering... Who do you think is the lead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy(s)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Getting rid of Jones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Signing LT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Cromartie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Rhodes for a 4th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael, why isn't Leon "the guy"? He's the only back on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now without question marks. And arguably he's a top 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back in this league. In my view, it's his job to lose. I see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions coming more on 3rd down.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no reason for sure to say that leon is NOT the guy... Just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dicey...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was never proven that he can take the pounding of a first line
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second off... can he regain his form ??? i'm betting he can,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a big 'If" Not to mention all the recent talk that it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "50/50"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if he will be a jet next season... so... no sure thing there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for several good reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait... so Leon hasn't proven that he can take a pounding, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greene
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has? If anything, I'd think the opposite is true. Admit it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still hung up about his size. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>> huh ??? where did i say that i was sure green could take the
>>>>>>>>>>>> pounding ??? i also questioned green's durability... did you not
>>>>>>>>>>>> see ???
>>>>>>>>>>> I saw where you said that. But you also said that you think
>>>>>>>>>>> Greene is
>>>>>>>>>>> "the guy" -- no mention of Leon -- and I can't really figure out
>>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>>> except for the part where you said that Leon hasn't proven that
>>>>>>>>>>> he can
>>>>>>>>>>> take a pounding. That's why I was wondering -- and Greene has?
>>>>>>>>>>> I just can't figure out where all this Greene-love is coming
>>>>>>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>>>>>> He's
>>>>>>>>>>> an intriguing prospect, no doubt, but it's hard for me to imagine
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> he's the frontrunner for the job at this point. Maybe a full camp
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> preseason of wowing the coaches gets him there, but that's far
>>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>>> given.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>> i'm only thinking out loud when i say "green is the guy". there
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> questions about him that i have never ignored. he's untested
>>>>>>>>>> Hey...it's late at night, I can't sleep...I just got into this
>>>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> can't follow all of it. As far as I can tell...Rex is on a diet,
>>>>>>>>>> Greene
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> the way to go, Ryan is Irish and sometimes when the old Irish get
>>>>>>>>>> pissed
>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>> or worried they eat people. Does this mean that if Rex gets nasty
>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> this weight loss thing he may gobble up one of the RB's in camp?
>>>>>>>>>> Oh,
>>>>>>>>>> BTW...I had some surgery on my ear...it hurts like Hell...so I'll
>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>> another pain pill and try and go back to bed. Did I get this
>>>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>>> right?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> sounds about right :-) though, the forensic archeological evidence
>>>>>>>>> that we have indicates that it was the druidic Celtic peoples of
>>>>>>>>> Britain and not specifically the Irish that ritually killed and ate
>>>>>>>>> each other for religious purposes. though, it cant be ruled out
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> similar things went on at the same time across the Irish sea. there
>>>>>>>>> were Celtic peoples on both sides of the English channel and both
>>>>>>>>> sides of the Irish sea, but separation by the water caused a lot of
>>>>>>>>> cultural distinctions, especially between Ireland and the rest of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Celtic world. I could still see Rex trying to eat a player or coach
>>>>>>>>> if cheeseburgers were not readily available.
>>>>>>>>> Do you realize we read the same books, information and watch the
>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>> on NGC or Discovery too...I'm neve sure what is is I'm looking at
>>>>>>>>> channel
>>>>>>>>> wise, I just find all the stuff by my "bookmarks" and watch it. My
>>>>>>>>> grandparents on both sides were immigrants. One side is Swedish and
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> other Irish. I always figured that made me one of those renegade
>>>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>>>> breeds they would brand by notching their ears. That was during the
>>>>>>>>> wars
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the times of Brian Boru etc. As for Rex....how many cheeseburgers
>>>>>>>>> do you
>>>>>>>>> have to eat to get to that point so quickly?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>> "reneade half breed" ha ! good one. I have a long Italian
>>>>>>>> pedegree, none the less, Italy has been a "melting pot" for a few
>>>>>>>> thousand years prior to my ancestors coming over to the new world.
>>>>>>>> all of us are half breeds. "race" is a horse shit notion that the
>>>>>>>> media and the government are queer to promulgate
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was a big deal to the ancients. But on the stuff today...I agree,
>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>> of the "problems" we deal with today are over either supposed race
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> religion...and if you world view indicates an Armageddon to
>>>>>>>> come...there is
>>>>>>>> a good chance you will act in such a way as to make that happen.
>>>>>>>> OMHO, Papa- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>> agree 100 % papa. lots of people incorrectly believe that most of
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> "problems" including the wars we had/have are a result of economic
>>>>>>> interests. total bs. resources of all kinds including land and
>>>>>>> political power do not prove to be problematic to share/distribute
>>>>>>> among kindred peoples. look at the reasons why groups/individuals/
>>>>>>> countries try to pry resources away from "the other ones". perceived
>>>>>>> divisions cause wars and "problems" not stacks of money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup...very correct.
>>>>>> No, not correct at all. It is simplistic to say one factor causes
>>>>>> problems.It is more simplistic to dismiss economic & political greed &
>>>>>> replace it "us & them."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at most wars fought & the biggest reason is about power usually
>>>>>> economic but sometimes political. Revolutions occur when the middle
>>>>>> class, in the classical sense, can't exert their political muscle that
>>>>>> goes with their economic might.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you think of yourself as a follower of history, a must read.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Anatomy of Revolution
>>>>>> ISBN 0-394-70044-9
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As long as all the folks who have it are the "same" and
>>>>>>> part of the "same tribe" there is a sense that it can be shared
>>>>>>> somehow. This has its roots in the gift economy too. I've been
>>>>>>> re-reading The Gift recently by Marcel Maus. It's really interesting
>>>>>>> to see how much differently we see things when we come back to
>>>>>>> something we read over 25 years ago. There is a line in a Kris
>>>>>>> Kristofferson song about the reaction fellow singer Steve Earle got
>>>>>>> when he did a song about "The American Taliban." Earle took a rather
>>>>>>> sympathetic point of view because he recognized how screwed up this
>>>>>>> young man was and what had driven him to this end. In
>>>>>>> Kristofferson's song he notes that "we're all sons of Abraham"....my
>>>>>>> guess is the overwhelming majority of Americans have NO idea that
>>>>>>> Islam came from the same tradition as Judaism and Christianity. I
>>>>>>> recently told an "aquaintence" one of the profits of Islam was
>>>>>>> Abraham and another was Jesus...he went ballistic on me and told me
>>>>>>> those "heathens" have nothing to do with "our people."
>>>>>> This guy had to have live under a rock. Anyone who has read a paper
>>>>>> in the last 40 years would know that. I would bet that is more common
>>>>>> knowledge today than it was 40 years ago.
>>>>> Well....he didn't live under a rock...he lives in Philadelphia, is
>>>>> fairly wealthy, owns a business that is thriving even in these economic
>>>>> days and is an evangelical "born again Christian".....that is what
>>>>> Michael and I were talking about in the first place...my impression is
>>>>> most of the extreme Right who make cartoon references to The President
>>>>> would also fit into this category.....
>>>> Well I would say you need to get out more.
>>>>
>>>> It isn't a right or left thing it is a people thing. It is why
>>>> politicians are having a ball with offering nothing of substance. Hell
>>>> even Obama who is obviously a bright man and has the ability to
>>>> communicate gets away with it.
>>>>
>>>> I still think most people with a pulse know of the prophets of Islam.
>>>> Maybe I overestimate the average Joe.
>>> John....I'd guess I get out a Hell of a lot more than you do, or at least
>>> as much. I get to travel with a vastly diverse cross section of people.
>>> You do overestimate some people, quite a bit. You also assume the same
>>> forces work at both ends of the social or political spectrum and they
>>> don't. The words of Will Rogers are very significant now....the reason
>>> Democrats rarely agree is that usually you have a mix of diverse opinions
>>> and a lot of fairly open minded people. I'm talking party wide, not the
>>> clowns who get elected and often masquerade. The progressive side does
>>> not have the level of certitude about everything that the right has. As
>>> far as substance goes....not being able to turn down a child for
>>> pre-existing conditions is a lot of substance. My jobs have put me in
>>> contact with families who have lived through this and I've seen people
>>> destroyed by it. I don't expect you to agree with anything I say. You
>>> are entitled to your own opinions, but there are some basic facts and
>>> only one set of them. I wish you were right about most people with a
>>> pulse....they flat out don't have a clue. Look what happened post
>>> 9/11....Seihks with turbans on were attacked at their places of
>>> business.....my next door neighbor is a fairly educated person and he has
>>> NO clue about any of this and believes whatever far right garbage some
>>> buddy of his says...and he especially believes it if Bill O' Reilly says
>>> it. The one I love is the Nazi / Communist combination they have
>>> created. Not much of an understanding of history going on for these
>>> "average Joe's" or Joe Six Pack or whatever they are.
>> Papa, when I was single I met few women that read more into my comments
>> than you do into mine. My comment about getting "out more" was a joke. You
>> lead with your chin at times expecting the worst and miss the subtlety of
>> my humor -- OK I at least think I am clever.
>>
>> I didn't go to Eton or Rugby but I knew by freshman year of HS about
>> Islam. Perhaps I figured if kids in the South Bronx were learning about
>> the basics of Islam it was going on in other places. I still think it is
>> difficult not to have picked it up, even by osmosis, since the Iranian
>> Revolution & subsequently 9/11. My personal opinion about Islam is that
>> it is radically different than mainstream Judaism and Christianity and not
>> in a good way. It doesn't make Muslims bad people--I have actually prayed
>> with Mulsims-- but I think for quite a few reasons it allows bad people &
>> bad ideas to thrive.
>>
>> As for the attacks on Muslims in this country please stop it. No one with
>> a brain or a conscience in America would justify an attack on an innocent.
>> The attacks were very few and I feel terrible that any happened but in a
>> country of nearly 300MM and with all the guns floating around I was
>> pleased at how rare they were after 9/11. We didn't round up Americans &
>> put them in camps like we did in WW2 so maybe we have improved.
>>
>> As for the Democrats being different, well, that is your opinion. I don't
>> share it and obviously think they are worse based on my choices. I am
>> conservative first, GOPer second, but Ihave voted for a GOP for president
>> since Bush sr.
>>
>> As for your experience with transplants & insurance companies, I am not
>> sure what that has to do with anything I wrote. I think there are huge
>> issues in health care delivery in the US, and I have written before, to me
>> that isn't near the top of the list but I have never needed one so my
>> views aren't shaped by that experience.
>
> This is not a good medium to converse in....when you try to be subtle or use
> inuendo or whatever in email it just does not work.....perhaps if I could
> hear you, was given the clues you use verbally etc. I'd pick up the fact you
> were not being serious. We would probably have a great discussion one to
> one or even with Michael and Johnny and Burf and whoever else could be
> there.
>

Agreed, so you know, if I thought you were a bad guy I would have
stopped posting years ago.

If I meet with you pack of Bolsheviks I want it in a public place.
Although I will need a hat or a bottle of sun block if it is outdoors.

:)

Have a good one.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>> Tribes....that what we are seeing
>>>>>>> now, today in America. We are becoming very tribal. But....our
>>>>>>> tribe, The NY Jets, are the best tribe. Did you ever read any of the
>>>>>>> anthropology of sport...that addresses that concept. Sports teams
>>>>>>> are totems and tribal symbols. I'd love to get together some time
>>>>>>> and talk about all this stuff. Have a good weekend. Papa
>
>


== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 8:30 am
From: Johnny Morongo


Johnctx wrote:

>
> If I meet with you pack of Bolsheviks I want it in a public place.
> Although I will need a hat or a bottle of sun block if it is outdoors.
>
> :)
>
The thing is though, you scurvy neo-con fascist corporatists are only
used to the shadows and recesses of your home sewers and wouldn't dare
come out into the sun for fear that the exposure would show even you
myopic ejits how really horrible you look, smell and are.

How's that for using proper subtlety and innuendo in email?

And can you guys (and you know who you are papa and John) learn to snip
a post once in a while? Jeeeze.

Oh and yeah, youse don't know nothin' about football neither.


== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 9:41 am
From: Johnctx

> And can you guys (and you know who you are papa and John) learn to snip
> a post once in a while? Jeeeze.

Fair enough vomit breath.

>
> Oh and yeah, youse don't know nothin' about football neither.

Which football crotch monkey?


== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 10:56 am
From: Johnny Morongo


Johnctx wrote:
>
>> And can you guys (and you know who you are papa and John) learn to
>> snip a post once in a while? Jeeeze.
>
> Fair enough vomit breath.
>
>>
>> Oh and yeah, youse don't know nothin' about football neither.
>
> Which football crotch monkey?

Good ol' Merican, fart breath.


== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 12:05 pm
From: Michael


On Mar 23, 11:30 am, Johnny Morongo
<j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
> Johnctx wrote:
>
> > If I meet with you pack of Bolsheviks I want it in a public place.
> > Although I will need a hat or a bottle of sun block if it is outdoors.
>
> > :)
>
> The thing is though, you scurvy neo-con fascist corporatists are only
> used to the shadows and recesses of your home sewers and wouldn't dare
> come out into the sun for fear that the exposure would show even you
> myopic ejits how really horrible you look, smell and are.
>
> How's that for using proper subtlety and innuendo in email?
>
> And can you guys (and you know who you are papa and John) learn to snip
> a post once in a while?  Jeeeze.
>
> Oh and yeah, youse don't know nothin' about football neither.

No fascist or marxist here. the far ends of the spectrum are for nut
cases. i was a libertarian before the word was in the news. or more
to the point, i'm a rebublican. not in the way "rebublican" is
defined by the gop, but "republican" in the way "republic" was defined
prior to the reconstruction. i'm for returning to the sanity of a
republic. less government, more freedom, and above all, and end to
the globalist kleptocracy. democrat vs. gop is just a distraction.


== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 1:14 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
news:vbCdnfx9_eTfSDXWnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@giganews.com...
> papa.carl44 wrote:
>> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
>> news:l--dnUWjVpOdTTXWnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>>> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:gJWdnZOB0_RgXDrWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>>>>> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4omdnSYQhbPy8jrWnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:15efa87a-ab8a-446b-840a-f8f5c5eb762c@f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 1:59 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> news:4e294770-6974-4148-be5a-2fcb39f90f83@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 10:10 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:d0724001-19c6-4340-80a6-c36882d40f53@e7g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 5:29 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:6a0d6db2-b759-48fc-8c2b-9f62ce9f9f8e@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 3:27 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 2:39 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 1:59 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 9:23 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 16, 3:29 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I realize that they are two different players but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another 31 year old back for the Jets was told might be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill at 31.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TomlLa00.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MartCu00.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT really looked like a spent player last season. It has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do with him being "told" he is over the hill. His
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is telling. To my eyes, it looked like it was high time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fork in him. I would not mind it they paid him one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year and that would be it, but... The deal that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given how he looked last season... Well... I think they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million out their ass and left with the same smile that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had at "Fair Deal Dan's" used car lot after he was sold
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real cream puff. LT is not only a retread, he's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retread that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing air and leaving rubber chunks along the road.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael, remember I wanted to keep Jones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He may be done but how many guys play on a high ankle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sprain at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After you answer that tell me why they don't & then tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to reconsider what you saw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Early in the year Jet fans were screaming about T Jones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ypc average & how they were inflated by some long runs so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill guy are we talking about? Jones or Washington?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some things to consider:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They may have decided Greene is our guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jones sucks unless he runs the ball 20 times a game
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither Jones or Greene can catch the ball and we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He can block --which Washington can't-- so we have a pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that can block on play action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He rarely fumbles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is good at short runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This may not work out and we cut him in training camp. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is cheap insurance. He may revert to where he was in 2008
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case Tannenbaum & Ryan are brilliant.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John.... If his injury is what was holding him up, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done better for 2.5 mil. I dont think that is the case,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes... I agree that even if he cant run the ball the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see, he can still offer top quality smarts and years of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both a rout runner and a pass blocker. I have been a big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fan of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jets brass for decisions like Revis, Harris, Mangold,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keller and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all, the Sanchez deal and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Rex... I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bashing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in the least... I just pointing out that I saw LT as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> washed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up as a ball carrier. And yes... They could think Green is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be all for it if not for the remaining questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Green's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> durability. Not to mention, the questions about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington. For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ground and pound" team this direction to push Jones out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT seems a bit dicey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also been wondering... Who do you think is the lead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy(s)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Getting rid of Jones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Signing LT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Cromartie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Rhodes for a 4th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael, why isn't Leon "the guy"? He's the only back on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now without question marks. And arguably he's a top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back in this league. In my view, it's his job to lose. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see LT's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions coming more on 3rd down.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no reason for sure to say that leon is NOT the guy... Just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dicey...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was never proven that he can take the pounding of a first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second off... can he regain his form ??? i'm betting he can,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a big 'If" Not to mention all the recent talk that it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "50/50"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if he will be a jet next season... so... no sure thing there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for several good reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait... so Leon hasn't proven that he can take a pounding,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greene
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has? If anything, I'd think the opposite is true. Admit it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still hung up about his size. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> huh ??? where did i say that i was sure green could take the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pounding ??? i also questioned green's durability... did you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see ???
>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw where you said that. But you also said that you think
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greene is
>>>>>>>>>>>> "the guy" -- no mention of Leon -- and I can't really figure
>>>>>>>>>>>> out why
>>>>>>>>>>>> except for the part where you said that Leon hasn't proven that
>>>>>>>>>>>> he can
>>>>>>>>>>>> take a pounding. That's why I was wondering -- and Greene has?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just can't figure out where all this Greene-love is coming
>>>>>>>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>>>>>>> He's
>>>>>>>>>>>> an intriguing prospect, no doubt, but it's hard for me to
>>>>>>>>>>>> imagine that
>>>>>>>>>>>> he's the frontrunner for the job at this point. Maybe a full
>>>>>>>>>>>> camp and
>>>>>>>>>>>> preseason of wowing the coaches gets him there, but that's far
>>>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>>>> given.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> i'm only thinking out loud when i say "green is the guy". there
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> questions about him that i have never ignored. he's untested
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey...it's late at night, I can't sleep...I just got into this
>>>>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> can't follow all of it. As far as I can tell...Rex is on a diet,
>>>>>>>>>>> Greene
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> the way to go, Ryan is Irish and sometimes when the old Irish
>>>>>>>>>>> get pissed
>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>> or worried they eat people. Does this mean that if Rex gets
>>>>>>>>>>> nasty while
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> this weight loss thing he may gobble up one of the RB's in camp?
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh,
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW...I had some surgery on my ear...it hurts like Hell...so
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll take
>>>>>>>>>>> another pain pill and try and go back to bed. Did I get this
>>>>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>>>> right?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>> sounds about right :-) though, the forensic archeological
>>>>>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>>>>>> that we have indicates that it was the druidic Celtic peoples of
>>>>>>>>>> Britain and not specifically the Irish that ritually killed and
>>>>>>>>>> ate
>>>>>>>>>> each other for religious purposes. though, it cant be ruled out
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> similar things went on at the same time across the Irish sea.
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>> were Celtic peoples on both sides of the English channel and both
>>>>>>>>>> sides of the Irish sea, but separation by the water caused a lot
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> cultural distinctions, especially between Ireland and the rest of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Celtic world. I could still see Rex trying to eat a player or
>>>>>>>>>> coach
>>>>>>>>>> if cheeseburgers were not readily available.
>>>>>>>>>> Do you realize we read the same books, information and watch the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>> on NGC or Discovery too...I'm neve sure what is is I'm looking at
>>>>>>>>>> channel
>>>>>>>>>> wise, I just find all the stuff by my "bookmarks" and watch it.
>>>>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>>>>> grandparents on both sides were immigrants. One side is Swedish
>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>> other Irish. I always figured that made me one of those renegade
>>>>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>>>>> breeds they would brand by notching their ears. That was during
>>>>>>>>>> the wars
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the times of Brian Boru etc. As for Rex....how many cheeseburgers
>>>>>>>>>> do you
>>>>>>>>>> have to eat to get to that point so quickly?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> "reneade half breed" ha ! good one. I have a long Italian
>>>>>>>>> pedegree, none the less, Italy has been a "melting pot" for a few
>>>>>>>>> thousand years prior to my ancestors coming over to the new world.
>>>>>>>>> all of us are half breeds. "race" is a horse shit notion that the
>>>>>>>>> media and the government are queer to promulgate
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was a big deal to the ancients. But on the stuff today...I
>>>>>>>>> agree, most
>>>>>>>>> of the "problems" we deal with today are over either supposed race
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> religion...and if you world view indicates an Armageddon to
>>>>>>>>> come...there is
>>>>>>>>> a good chance you will act in such a way as to make that happen.
>>>>>>>>> OMHO, Papa- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>> agree 100 % papa. lots of people incorrectly believe that most of
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>> "problems" including the wars we had/have are a result of economic
>>>>>>>> interests. total bs. resources of all kinds including land and
>>>>>>>> political power do not prove to be problematic to share/distribute
>>>>>>>> among kindred peoples. look at the reasons why groups/individuals/
>>>>>>>> countries try to pry resources away from "the other ones".
>>>>>>>> perceived
>>>>>>>> divisions cause wars and "problems" not stacks of money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yup...very correct.
>>>>>>> No, not correct at all. It is simplistic to say one factor causes
>>>>>>> problems.It is more simplistic to dismiss economic & political greed
>>>>>>> & replace it "us & them."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look at most wars fought & the biggest reason is about power usually
>>>>>>> economic but sometimes political. Revolutions occur when the middle
>>>>>>> class, in the classical sense, can't exert their political muscle
>>>>>>> that goes with their economic might.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you think of yourself as a follower of history, a must read.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Anatomy of Revolution
>>>>>>> ISBN 0-394-70044-9
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As long as all the folks who have it are the "same" and
>>>>>>>> part of the "same tribe" there is a sense that it can be shared
>>>>>>>> somehow. This has its roots in the gift economy too. I've been
>>>>>>>> re-reading The Gift recently by Marcel Maus. It's really
>>>>>>>> interesting to see how much differently we see things when we come
>>>>>>>> back to something we read over 25 years ago. There is a line in a
>>>>>>>> Kris Kristofferson song about the reaction fellow singer Steve
>>>>>>>> Earle got when he did a song about "The American Taliban." Earle
>>>>>>>> took a rather sympathetic point of view because he recognized how
>>>>>>>> screwed up this young man was and what had driven him to this end.
>>>>>>>> In Kristofferson's song he notes that "we're all sons of
>>>>>>>> Abraham"....my guess is the overwhelming majority of Americans have
>>>>>>>> NO idea that Islam came from the same tradition as Judaism and
>>>>>>>> Christianity. I recently told an "aquaintence" one of the profits
>>>>>>>> of Islam was Abraham and another was Jesus...he went ballistic on
>>>>>>>> me and told me those "heathens" have nothing to do with "our
>>>>>>>> people."
>>>>>>> This guy had to have live under a rock. Anyone who has read a paper
>>>>>>> in the last 40 years would know that. I would bet that is more
>>>>>>> common knowledge today than it was 40 years ago.
>>>>>> Well....he didn't live under a rock...he lives in Philadelphia, is
>>>>>> fairly wealthy, owns a business that is thriving even in these
>>>>>> economic days and is an evangelical "born again Christian".....that
>>>>>> is what Michael and I were talking about in the first place...my
>>>>>> impression is most of the extreme Right who make cartoon references
>>>>>> to The President would also fit into this category.....
>>>>> Well I would say you need to get out more.
>>>>>
>>>>> It isn't a right or left thing it is a people thing. It is why
>>>>> politicians are having a ball with offering nothing of substance.
>>>>> Hell even Obama who is obviously a bright man and has the ability to
>>>>> communicate gets away with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still think most people with a pulse know of the prophets of Islam.
>>>>> Maybe I overestimate the average Joe.
>>>> John....I'd guess I get out a Hell of a lot more than you do, or at
>>>> least as much. I get to travel with a vastly diverse cross section of
>>>> people. You do overestimate some people, quite a bit. You also assume
>>>> the same forces work at both ends of the social or political spectrum
>>>> and they don't. The words of Will Rogers are very significant
>>>> now....the reason Democrats rarely agree is that usually you have a mix
>>>> of diverse opinions and a lot of fairly open minded people. I'm
>>>> talking party wide, not the clowns who get elected and often
>>>> masquerade. The progressive side does not have the level of certitude
>>>> about everything that the right has. As far as substance goes....not
>>>> being able to turn down a child for pre-existing conditions is a lot of
>>>> substance. My jobs have put me in contact with families who have lived
>>>> through this and I've seen people destroyed by it. I don't expect you
>>>> to agree with anything I say. You are entitled to your own opinions,
>>>> but there are some basic facts and only one set of them. I wish you
>>>> were right about most people with a pulse....they flat out don't have a
>>>> clue. Look what happened post 9/11....Seihks with turbans on were
>>>> attacked at their places of business.....my next door neighbor is a
>>>> fairly educated person and he has NO clue about any of this and
>>>> believes whatever far right garbage some buddy of his says...and he
>>>> especially believes it if Bill O' Reilly says it. The one I love is
>>>> the Nazi / Communist combination they have created. Not much of an
>>>> understanding of history going on for these "average Joe's" or Joe Six
>>>> Pack or whatever they are.
>>> Papa, when I was single I met few women that read more into my comments
>>> than you do into mine. My comment about getting "out more" was a joke.
>>> You lead with your chin at times expecting the worst and miss the
>>> subtlety of my humor -- OK I at least think I am clever.
>>>
>>> I didn't go to Eton or Rugby but I knew by freshman year of HS about
>>> Islam. Perhaps I figured if kids in the South Bronx were learning about
>>> the basics of Islam it was going on in other places. I still think it
>>> is difficult not to have picked it up, even by osmosis, since the
>>> Iranian Revolution & subsequently 9/11. My personal opinion about
>>> Islam is that it is radically different than mainstream Judaism and
>>> Christianity and not in a good way. It doesn't make Muslims bad
>>> people--I have actually prayed with Mulsims-- but I think for quite a
>>> few reasons it allows bad people & bad ideas to thrive.
>>>
>>> As for the attacks on Muslims in this country please stop it. No one
>>> with a brain or a conscience in America would justify an attack on an
>>> innocent. The attacks were very few and I feel terrible that any
>>> happened but in a country of nearly 300MM and with all the guns floating
>>> around I was pleased at how rare they were after 9/11. We didn't round
>>> up Americans & put them in camps like we did in WW2 so maybe we have
>>> improved.
>>>
>>> As for the Democrats being different, well, that is your opinion. I
>>> don't share it and obviously think they are worse based on my choices. I
>>> am conservative first, GOPer second, but Ihave voted for a GOP for
>>> president since Bush sr.
>>>
>>> As for your experience with transplants & insurance companies, I am not
>>> sure what that has to do with anything I wrote. I think there are huge
>>> issues in health care delivery in the US, and I have written before, to
>>> me that isn't near the top of the list but I have never needed one so my
>>> views aren't shaped by that experience.
>>
>> This is not a good medium to converse in....when you try to be subtle or
>> use inuendo or whatever in email it just does not work.....perhaps if I
>> could hear you, was given the clues you use verbally etc. I'd pick up the
>> fact you were not being serious. We would probably have a great
>> discussion one to one or even with Michael and Johnny and Burf and
>> whoever else could be there.
>>
>
> Agreed, so you know, if I thought you were a bad guy I would have stopped
> posting years ago.
>
> If I meet with you pack of Bolsheviks I want it in a public place.
> Although I will need a hat or a bottle of sun block if it is outdoors.
>
> :)
>
> Have a good one.

I don't ever go out without a hat....and sunblock.....so we can meet in a
clandestine dark room, in a basement in lower Manhattan. After midnight.


>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Tribes....that what we are seeing
>>>>>>>> now, today in America. We are becoming very tribal. But....our
>>>>>>>> tribe, The NY Jets, are the best tribe. Did you ever read any of
>>>>>>>> the anthropology of sport...that addresses that concept. Sports
>>>>>>>> teams are totems and tribal symbols. I'd love to get together some
>>>>>>>> time and talk about all this stuff. Have a good weekend. Papa
>>

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 1:56 pm
From: Michael


On Mar 22, 9:24 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:

<SNIP>

> > agree 100 % papa.  lots of people incorrectly believe that most of our
> > "problems" including the wars we had/have are a result of economic
> > interests.  total bs.  resources of all kinds including land and
> > political power do not prove to be problematic to share/distribute
> > among kindred peoples.  look at the reasons why groups/individuals/
> > countries try to pry resources away from "the other ones".  perceived
> > divisions cause wars and "problems" not stacks of money.
>
> > Yup...very correct.  
>
> No, not correct at all.  It is simplistic to say one factor causes
> problems.It is more simplistic to dismiss economic & political greed &
> replace it "us & them."


John... I did not say that the only one factor involved in "problems"
was cultural divisions. I'm pointing out that strife due to cultural
division is all too often mistaken for simple economic gain as the
impetus to strife. Cultural division would of course include the
conflict that is always the inevitable accompaniment of religious
dogma.

Why would two people share a dollar they both just saw on the street
vs. another two who will fight over it ??? They guys that fight just
want all the money ???

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:25 am
From: Johnctx


Is Kraft on this committee?

:)

The only player of note they lost last year was Gaffney.

http://tinyurl.com/yhgwl8s


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 7:13 am
From: MZ


Johnctx wrote:
> Is Kraft on this committee?
>
> :)
>
> The only player of note they lost last year was Gaffney.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yhgwl8s

No kidding. And why did Atlanta get a 3??


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 3:49 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <GcidnftyMKI9UTXWnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:

> Johnctx wrote:
> > Is Kraft on this committee?
> >
> > :)
> >
> > The only player of note they lost last year was Gaffney.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yhgwl8s
>
> No kidding. And why did Atlanta get a 3??

Mark, is this true? Did they get all those picks and the biggest lost
was Gaffney/// (NOT)

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