Thursday, March 25, 2010

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Titre du document / Document title

Postmortem distribution of organophosphate insecticides in human autopsy tissues following suicide

Auteur(s) / Author(s)

AKGÜR Serap A. (1) ; ÖZTÜRK Pembe (1) ; YEMICCIGIL Ali (1) ; EGE Beyhan (1) ;

Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)

(1) Department of Forensic Medicine, Faculty of Medicine, Ege University, Izmir, TURQUIE

Résumé / Abstract

Organophosphate insecticides (OP) are used widely in Turkey and are the most common agent employed for suicidal poisoning. At present there are limited data available on the distribution of OP in humans, and the aim of the study was to report insecticide concentrations in human autopsy tissues With the use of gas chromatography-nitrogen phosphorous detector, the levels of fat, liver, and blood OP were determined from 32 suicide victims, In all cases OP were present and usually more than one OP was found. The concentration of OP was highest in fat and least in blood, Even 20 d postmortem OP could be detected in human autopsy tissues, but the correlation to fat content and mortality needs to be addressed.


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rec.bicycles.racing - 24 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Magilla is starting to slip in his old age - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/09a067bdf4c738b1?hl=en
* Out of Place but a Question - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/643ff319ac57b0ae?hl=en
* there's no problem here - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/033402dbe7fed0a5?hl=en
* what happened to leppy today? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f376f8627da990b5?hl=en
* The Lord Humongous - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/20ea9d2b65e423fe?hl=en
* Liz Hatch told to stay at home - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3c37aa6d3d4597f4?hl=en
* Volta a Catalunya, stage 4 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b1378682589db623?hl=en
* Booyah! - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1983f3658c83752d?hl=en
* My tits are bigger than hers! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a74e8ecad1c695c4?hl=en
* I hope it's canceled forever - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d1f20b3a8846bd78?hl=en

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TOPIC: Magilla is starting to slip in his old age
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/09a067bdf4c738b1?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 9:08 pm
From: "H. Fred Kveck"


In article <4BAA5227.CBBD2BB7@sandiegozoo.org>,
Magilla Gorilla <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:

> Lance can ride the fucking Tour de France 9 times without ever hitting the
> deck once and this bitch hits the deck every race and tries to make herself
> come off as some kind of talent.

Not defending L Hatch (who does seem to crash a lot, I suppose), but you forgot
this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=games/decade/2003tourdefrance


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 4:19 am
From: Magilla Gorilla


"H. Fred Kveck" wrote:

> In article <4BAA5227.CBBD2BB7@sandiegozoo.org>,
> Magilla Gorilla <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:
>
> > Lance can ride the fucking Tour de France 9 times without ever hitting the
> > deck once and this bitch hits the deck every race and tries to make herself
> > come off as some kind of talent.
>
> Not defending L Hatch (who does seem to crash a lot, I suppose), but you forgot
> this:
>
> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=games/decade/2003tourdefrance

Dumbass,

Unlike Liz Hatch who has a knack for breaking bones and never getting back up after
her crashes, Lance got right back up and won the fucking stage and overall GC. So
big difference. When Hatch falls, she crashes like a Bobby Jew-lick spaz and it
takes her out for the next 3 weeks. She then drags us through her hospital photos
like we're suppose to sympathize with her and praise her for being some kind of
warrior when in fact she's just a spaz.

This has to be like the 10th time Hatch has crashed out of a race in her 3 year
career, which consists of racing only about 7 races/year. She even crashed by
herself while chasing to get back in a group ride which led to her dismissal from the
Vanderkitten team because they refused to pay for her medical expenses (no team does,
so Hatch was clearly in the wrong). Who the fuck lays it down when you're out by
yourself on a ride like that?

Liz Hatch is like Pantani driving his car.

Thanks,


Magilla


http://www.active.com/story.cfm?NUM=0&STORY_ID=7182&CHECKSSO=0&CATEGORY=Running


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TOPIC: Out of Place but a Question
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/643ff319ac57b0ae?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:06 am
From: Betty Munro


Anton Berlin wrote:
> The govt thought I owed them 1.2 Million last year, turns out they
> owed me $100k

So SOTS provided a grant for ForkSTRONG.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 4:26 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org


On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:53:10 -0700, "Tom Kunich"
<tkunich@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I'm retired and started drawing Social Security and a little unemployment
>insurance as well. The trouble is that neither SS or California has sent me
>anything like a W2 that will allow me to calculate how much money they sent
>me and if I qualify for paying taxes in 2009 or not.
>
>Does anyone know how the heck I find out about this?
>

You can request a replacement 1099G from California on-line, but can't
get the info. I think you can set up the Social Securityaccount access
info on-line and get the info on-line as well.

Amusingly, some state info that can't be accessed on-line by the
person can be sucked up by certain tax programs, like Turbo Tax. It
probably would vary case to case which ones this happens with, but
after spending time on the phone with a state while installing Turbo
Tax for a pro bono, as the person at this particular state informed me
we would have to apply for the information to be re-sent in the next
week or two, it was downloaded in front of us to the tax form. Just
hung up and let it go, since the form didn't have to be included with
the filing and we had what we needed.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 4:29 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org


On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:07:00 -0700 (PDT), Anton Berlin
<truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Get a good tax accountant. A creative one will save you 10x what he
>costs.
>
>The govt thought I owed them 1.2 Million last year, turns out they
>owed me $100k
>
>Great accountant.

Unless you head down to the pro bono program run by your local state
CPA society, a good tax accountant will cost more than you'd gain in
this case, especially this time of year. 'Creative ones' are easy to
find - they've been making headlines a lot over the last ten years or
so. Some should be out by now...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

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TOPIC: there's no problem here
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:19 am
From: Betty Munro


Scott wrote:
> So, please tell us again, what do you know about cycling?

I didn't know the Kunich bot was capable of assimilation.


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 4:53 am
From: Magilla Gorilla


Kyle Legate wrote:

> Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> > Kyle Legate wrote:
> >
> >> Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> >>> Messick picked the date and McQuaid is too much of a pussy to deny him that date.
> >>> The UCI in fact thinks the Tour of California ia a huge race and the largest race
> >>> outside of Europe.
> >>>
> >> Tour Down Under attracts a higher calibre of rider. I'd say it's bigger.
> >
> > Tour Down Under is not on Eurosport and doesn't get 2.3 million spectators.
> >
>
> Yes it is and it gets 2.4 million spectators, so there.

There's no epic climbs in Australia, so it's not a real stage race. It's basically
Superweek.

Thanks,

Magilla

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 5:03 am
From: Magilla Gorilla


Amit Ghosh wrote:

> On Mar 23, 7:50�pm, Magilla Gorilla <m.gori...@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:
>
> > > � �I'm surprised this slipped past you: that could tell you that the UCI doesn't
> > > think the ToC is that big a race.
> >
> > Messick picked the date and McQuaid is too much of a pussy to deny him that date.
> > The UCI in fact thinks the Tour of California ia a huge race and the largest race
> > outside of Europe.
> >
>
> dumbass,
>
> as an organizer you have all the power. after all you are finding the
> funds to put on the race, the sponsors and making any media
> arrangements. your only obligation is to meet some standards, like
> safety or maximum stage lengths and whatnot and guaranteeing the min.
> prize list.
>
> all the riders have to do is show up 15 mins before the start and ride
> for a couple hours.
>
> what's the gov. body going to do? actually turn away people who want
> to put on a race ?

Whenever the UCI sanctions a race, they are in fact 'renting' out the UCI calendar for
any given day(s)/week(s) and they've been known to deny a particular date if it
conflicts with another big race. When Lance doesn't show up to the Giro this year, it
basically means Universal Sports won't pay millions for the rights (or if their deal
last year with the RCS was multi-year they are now very pissed off). I can assure you
the RCS is just as pissed off as Universal Sports, which does not televise the Tour of
California.

Thanks,


Magilla

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 2:54 pm
From: Kyle Legate


Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> Kyle Legate wrote:
>
>> Magilla Gorilla wrote:
>>> Kyle Legate wrote:
>>>
>>>> Magilla Gorilla wrote:
>>>>> Messick picked the date and McQuaid is too much of a pussy to deny him that date.
>>>>> The UCI in fact thinks the Tour of California ia a huge race and the largest race
>>>>> outside of Europe.
>>>>>
>>>> Tour Down Under attracts a higher calibre of rider. I'd say it's bigger.
>>> Tour Down Under is not on Eurosport and doesn't get 2.3 million spectators.
>>>
>> Yes it is and it gets 2.4 million spectators, so there.
>
> There's no epic climbs in Australia, so it's not a real stage race. It's basically
> Superweek.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Magilla
>
It's still the largest race outside of Europe.


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 4:46 pm
From: Scott


On Mar 25, 3:54 pm, Kyle Legate <legatekB...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> > Kyle Legate wrote:
>
> >> Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> >>> Kyle Legate wrote:
>
> >>>> Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> >>>>> Messick picked the date and McQuaid is too much of a pussy to deny him that date.
> >>>>> The UCI in fact thinks the Tour of California ia a huge race and the largest race
> >>>>> outside of Europe.
>
> >>>> Tour Down Under attracts a higher calibre of rider. I'd say it's bigger.
> >>> Tour Down Under is not on Eurosport and doesn't get 2.3 million spectators.
>
> >> Yes it is and it gets 2.4 million spectators, so there.
>
> > There's no epic climbs in Australia, so it's not a real stage race.  It's basically
> > Superweek.
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Magilla
>
> It's still the largest race outside of Europe.

How are you defining 'largest'? I'd think some of the stage races in
South America would be a pretty big deal, but don't know how they're
compared to TDU or ToC, size-wise.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 8:03 pm
From: Carl Sundquist


On Mar 25, 7:46 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 25, 3:54 pm, Kyle Legate <legatekB...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> > > Kyle Legate wrote:
>
> > >> Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> > >>> Kyle Legate wrote:
>
> > >>>> Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> > >>>>> Messick picked the date and McQuaid is too much of a pussy to deny him that date.
> > >>>>> The UCI in fact thinks the Tour of California ia a huge race and the largest race
> > >>>>> outside of Europe.
>
> > >>>> Tour Down Under attracts a higher calibre of rider. I'd say it's bigger.
> > >>> Tour Down Under is not on Eurosport and doesn't get 2.3 million spectators.
>
> > >> Yes it is and it gets 2.4 million spectators, so there.
>
> > > There's no epic climbs in Australia, so it's not a real stage race.  It's basically
> > > Superweek.
>
> > > Thanks,
>
> > > Magilla
>
> > It's still the largest race outside of Europe.
>
> How are you defining 'largest'?  I'd think some of the stage races in
> South America would be a pretty big deal, but don't know how they're
> compared to TDU or ToC, size-wise.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Also Tour du Faso & Tour of Qinghai Lake

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TOPIC: what happened to leppy today?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 4:32 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org


On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:53:58 -0700 (PDT), David Padgham
<david.padgham@gmail.com> wrote:

>http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/volta-ciclista-a-catalunya-upt/stage-3/results
>
>i guess he's saving his force for the ToC

Haven't seen anymore, but for Leppy a 'fast descent to the finish',
especially in a group, doesn't seem to be his best thing.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

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TOPIC: The Lord Humongous
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/20ea9d2b65e423fe?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 6:50 am
From: Scott


this is huge:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boonen-to-ride-tour-of-california


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 8:13 am
From: Magilla Gorilla


Scott wrote:

> this is huge:
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boonen-to-ride-tour-of-california

Boonen will be there to work on his tan and see if he can pick up some
16 year old out-of-luck aspiring starlet along Hollywood Blvd. during
the time trial in LA. This is right up there with Vinokourov and Lance
racing the San Francisco GP.

Stop using your Fleshlight™ in public over this kind of nonsense.


Thanks,

Magilla

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 3:40 pm
From: David Padgham


On Mar 25, 11:13 am, Magilla Gorilla <m.gori...@sandiegozoo.org>
wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> > this is huge:
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boonen-to-ride-tour-of-california
>
> Boonen will be there to work on his tan and see if he can pick up some
> 16 year old out-of-luck aspiring starlet along Hollywood Blvd. during
> the time trial in LA.   This is right up there with Vinokourov and Lance
> racing the San Francisco GP.
>
> Stop using your Fleshlight™ in public over this kind of nonsense.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Magilla

meh, tommeke's just coming to town to score some blow.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 6:09 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


David Padgham wrote:
> On Mar 25, 11:13 am, Magilla Gorilla <m.gori...@sandiegozoo.org>
> wrote:
>> Scott wrote:
>>> this is huge:
>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boonen-to-ride-tour-of-california
>> Boonen will be there to work on his tan and see if he can pick up some
>> 16 year old out-of-luck aspiring starlet along Hollywood Blvd. during
>> the time trial in LA. This is right up there with Vinokourov and Lance
>> racing the San Francisco GP.
>>
>> Stop using your Fleshlight™ in public over this kind of nonsense.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Magilla
>
> meh, tommeke's just coming to town to score some blow.

Dumbasses,

You're both right.

Fred Flintstein

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TOPIC: Liz Hatch told to stay at home
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 7:55 am
From: Magilla Gorilla


http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/trofeo-alfredo-binda-start-list

Liz Hatch told to shut up and stay home for World Cup. And it's a good
thing for her too since she would be a DNF.

Thanks,

Magilla

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 7:05 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Mark wrote:
> Fan fiction:
>
> In an alternate universe another Liz is chain-smoking on her break
> during 2nd shift at the Dorsett Two Twenty One Truck Stop, a few miles
> south of Austin on the I-35. A manager who looks vaguely Lance
> Armstrong (he is actually Lance's cousin and has hated Lance for years
> because of his success) is staring at her through the window in the
> door leading to the kitchen, pondering the growing curve of her belly
> beneath her smock and how Liz's smoking has already begun to age her.
> He has a wife at home and he knows soon he's going to have to come
> clean about it all. That or pay for a solution.
>
> Liz stubs her cigarette and for a moment a flicker of a dream that
> died somewhere around age 25 passes through her head. The wind in her
> hair; the adoring fans; the exotic European men; the adulation. Liz
> pats the bulge. She's already named it Lance Tyler George Hatch. Maybe
> it will happen for him, she thinks. Maybe. For him.
>

More, please.

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TOPIC: Volta a Catalunya, stage 4 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b1378682589db623?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 10:30 am
From: Bob Martin



Stage 4 : March 25, Oliana - Asco, 209.7 km

1 Jens Voigt (Ger) Team Saxo Bank 4.43.28
2 Rein Taaramae (Est) Cofidis, le Credit en Ligne
3 Paul Voss (Ger) Team Milram 0.34
4 Michel Kreder (Ned) Garmin - Transitions
5 David Loosli (Ita) Lampre-Farnese Vini
6 Jeremy Roy (Fra) Francaise Des Jeux
7 Josep Jufre (Spa) Astana
8 Daniel Moreno (Spa) Omega Pharma-Lotto
9 Robert Kiserlovski (Cro) Liquigas-Doimo
10 Igor Anton (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi


Changes in stage 4 compared to stage 3 :

Biggest gainers by position :
+38 Pedro Merino
+34 Gustavo Cesar
+31 Stef Clement
+29 Serafin Martinez
+29 Javier Ramirez
+26 Jorge Montenegro
+25 Sylvester Szmyd
+24 Marcel Wyss
+24 Jose Luis Roldan
+22 Andrey Zeits

Biggest losers by position :
-45 Davide Malacarne
-37 Antonio Piedra
-32 Alberto Losada
-31 David Gutierrez Gutierrez
-28 Philip Deignan
-26 Imanol Erviti
-26 Pavel Brutt
-25 Alexsandr Dyachenko
-24 Matteo Bono
-22 Charles Wegelius
-21 Andres Sergio De Lis

Biggest gainers by time :
+0:34 Rein Taaramae
+0:34 Jens Voigt

Biggest losers by time :
-17:03 Alexsandr Dyachenko
-17:03 Andreas Stauff
-17:03 Andrei Kunitski
-17:03 Andres Sergio De Lis
-17:03 Angelo Furlan
-17:03 Antonio Piedra
-17:03 Arten Ovechkin
-17:03 Artur Gajek
-17:03 Bjorn Selander
-17:03 Charles Wegelius
-17:03 David Gutierrez Gutierrez

Favourites by position :
+18 Jens Voigt
-1 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil
-1 Levi Leipheimer
-1 Ivan Basso
-1 Frank Schleck
-1 Andreas Kloden

Favourites by time :
+0:34 Jens Voigt

Top 3 and favourites standings :
1 Joaquin Rodriguez 13.48.14
2 Xavier Tondo 0.10
3 Rein Taaramae 0.46
4 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil 0.48
.....
8 Roman Kreuziger 1.22
.....
15 Vladimir Karpets 1.30
.....
23 Jens Voigt 1.59
24 Levi Leipheimer 2.00
.....
27 Frank Schleck 2.14
.....
33 Andreas Kloden 2.20
.....
36 Ivan Basso 2.22

Retirements to date : Stage
Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank 4 <<<
Aleksej Saramontins (Lat) Team HTC - Columbia 3
Danielle Pietropolli (Ita) Lampre-Farnese Vini 3
Daryl Impey (RSA) Team Radioshack 3
Dominik Roels (Ger) Team Milram 3
Stephane Auge (Fra) Cofidis, le Credit en Ligne 3
Andy Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 2
Total retirements : 7

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TOPIC: Booyah!
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:58 pm
From: Scott


Phinney, Phinney!!

or, if you prefer,

USA! USA!


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 4:07 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Mar 25, 3:58 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Phinney, Phinney!!
>
> or, if you prefer,
>
> USA! USA!


Come on bro, don't you know that velodrome world championships are
bogus nonsense that Velosnooze shouldn't even report on?

Goddamn, you act like riding at 36 mph for four minutes, twice in one
day, should impress us. Pfft.

-rj


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 4:45 pm
From: Scott


On Mar 25, 5:07 pm, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 25, 3:58 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Phinney, Phinney!!
>
> > or, if you prefer,
>
> > USA! USA!
>
> Come on bro, don't you know that velodrome world championships are
> bogus nonsense that Velosnooze shouldn't even report on?
>
> Goddamn, you act like riding at 36 mph for four minutes, twice in one
> day, should impress us.  Pfft.
>
> -rj

Are you channeling MG? I was hoping to hook him. He fell for my post
re: Boonen at the ToC and thought for sure this would set him off.

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TOPIC: My tits are bigger than hers!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 6:16 pm
From: "Mexican Low Rider Mafia"


http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/uci-track-world-championships-cm/session-3/photos/111994

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TOPIC: I hope it's canceled forever
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 9:05 pm
From: Michael Press


In article
<f183493e-9920-41b0-908f-f715b8d30fdd@f13g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 22, 2:22 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 22, 3:33 pm, Magilla Gorilla <m.gori...@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > One of the things that these studies don't take into account is that when
> > > people spend money on the bike race, you must subtract that money from some
> > > other discretionary expenditure, since it's a zero sum game.  So whatever a
> > > family will spend on a bike race, they won't spend on a movie or dinner in
> > > some other part of town.
> >
> > > Also, the number of people who travel from other states and spend money in the
> > > state where the bike race is is completely exaggerated.  I would venture to
> > > say that 98% of all fans are from within Missouri.   Yet if you look at the
> > > studies, they will claim some ridiculous figure like 30%
> >
> > dumbass,
> >
> > according to their study the race will generate $40 million, so if the
> > state gets even 5% of that back in taxes or whatever they will double
> > their $1 million "investment".
> >
> > what ? you don't think the missouri tifosi spend $40 million at the
> > race?
>
> I haven't seen the particulars of what they're asking for or what
> they're saying it'll bring in, but... are they seriously forecasting a
> $40mil boost? And, only asking for $1mil in state funding?

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 10:50 pm
From: "frndthdevl@aol.com"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omC2ttSpMpU&feature=channel_page


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:38 am
From: "RävNsfän ®"

"silly little asterisks stick forever" <plonker@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D45DA66267E09058J@94.75.214.90...
> On 24 Mar 2010, Strickland <ur@slack.er> posted some
> news:hod0fm015pp@drn.newsguy.com:
>
>
> Dominated? Hardly. Luck is all you've had going for you. That will
> change this year.
>

It already has changed, ...last season on the field they couldn't even back
into the playoffs and this year it has already started off the field for the
"Pittsperv Feelers ®"

Drew ~
RävNsfän ®


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 6:12 am
From: "Johnny apple Lizard"

"RävNsfän ®" <rustylombardi@ravens2010.org> wrote in message
news:4bab26a4$0$2391$b42602f9@news.qis.net...
>
> "silly little asterisks stick forever" <plonker@google.com> wrote in
> message news:Xns9D45DA66267E09058J@94.75.214.90...
>> On 24 Mar 2010, Strickland <ur@slack.er> posted some
>> news:hod0fm015pp@drn.newsguy.com:
>>
>>
>> Dominated? Hardly. Luck is all you've had going for you. That will
>> change this year.
>>
>
> It already has changed, ...last season on the field they couldn't even
> back into the playoffs and this year it has already started off the field
> for the "Pittsperv Feelers ®"
>
> Drew ~
> RävNsfän ®
>
>
And so the demonstration of the posters points continue!

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 2:53 pm
From: "RävNsfän ®"


"Johnny apple Lizard" <lizardfuelatthecoxdotnet@homey.com> wrote in message
news:M8adnWLL0tsS_DbWnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "RävNsfän ®" <rustylombardi@ravens2010.org> wrote in message
> news:4bab26a4$0$2391$b42602f9@news.qis.net...
>>
>> "silly little asterisks stick forever" <plonker@google.com> wrote in
>> message news:Xns9D45DA66267E09058J@94.75.214.90...
>>> On 24 Mar 2010, Strickland <ur@slack.er> posted some
>>> news:hod0fm015pp@drn.newsguy.com:
>>>
>>>
>>> Dominated? Hardly. Luck is all you've had going for you. That will
>>> change this year.
>>>
>>
>> It already has changed, ...last season on the field they couldn't even
>> back into the playoffs and this year it has already started off the field
>> for the "Pittsperv Feelers ®"
>>
>> Drew ~
>> RävNsfän ®
>>
>>
> And so the demonstration of the posters points continue!

That isn't all JaL, the gentleman stated the stealers had luck and only luck
going with them last year. Tell him JaL, tell him that wasn't luck at all
even though the word he seeks sounds just like it.


Drew ~
RävNsfän ®


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 2:04 am
From: "RävNsfän ®"


...and as he does that pretty much seals his fate for this season.

Read it and weep Bleak & Urination.


http://tinyurl.com/ben-enters-sex-abuse-clinic

Drew ~
RävNsfän ®


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== 1 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 6:23 am
From: Michael


On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
> other team gets the ball.
> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
> does too.

what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
it ends in a tie


== 2 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 6:58 am
From: Johnctx


Michael wrote:
> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
>> other team gets the ball.
>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
>> does too.
>
> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> it ends in a tie

How do you really feel?

:)

I am with you. How about this? No OT in regular season and in the play
offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each one.
Play it until it is over.


== 3 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 8:53 am
From: "Ray OHara"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:4a6f1b51-ba86-4cdc-b4e4-63382052deda@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
> other team gets the ball.
> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
> does too.

what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
it ends in a tie

=======================================================================

a team can easily hold the ball for 8 minutes.


== 4 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 8:06 am
From: MZ


Ray OHara wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:4a6f1b51-ba86-4cdc-b4e4-63382052deda@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
>> other team gets the ball.
>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
>> does too.
>
> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> it ends in a tie
>
> =======================================================================
>
> a team can easily hold the ball for 8 minutes.

I don't know about "easily". If a team holds the ball for 8 minutes,
then they deserve to win.

I like John's idea -- no OT for the regular season. In the playoffs, 8
minutes should be fine.


== 5 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 8:10 am
From: Michael


On Mar 25, 9:58 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
> >> other team gets the ball.
> >> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
> >> does too.
>
> > what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is.  after
> > regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
> > rules.  just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
> > out.  no stopage at the two minute warning.  a short period of 6 to 8
> > minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball.  no sudden
> > death.  if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> > it ends in a tie
>
> How do you really feel?
>
> :)
>
> I am with you.  How about this?  No OT in regular season and in the play
> offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each one.
> Play it until it is over.

john... that would be good in the sense that it is fair. it is also
goon in the sense that it spares players additional exposure, so it
limits injury and exhaustion. the down side is that is deprives fans
of the intence excitement of over time play.


== 6 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 8:11 am
From: MZ


Michael wrote:
> On Mar 25, 9:58 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
>>>> other team gets the ball.
>>>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
>>>> does too.
>>> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
>>> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
>>> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
>>> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
>>> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
>>> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
>>> it ends in a tie
>> How do you really feel?
>>
>> :)
>>
>> I am with you. How about this? No OT in regular season and in the play
>> offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each one.
>> Play it until it is over.
>
> john... that would be good in the sense that it is fair. it is also
> goon in the sense that it spares players additional exposure, so it
> limits injury and exhaustion. the down side is that is deprives fans
> of the intence excitement of over time play.

Yeah, but you'll see more teams go for the win at the end of the game
instead of the tie.


== 7 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 8:13 am
From: Deadmeat


On 3/25/2010 9:23 AM, Michael wrote:
> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara"<raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
>> other team gets the ball.
>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
>> does too.
>
> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> it ends in a tie

As of now, the rule only applies to playoff games, so no ties.


== 8 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 9:19 am
From: Ritchie


On Mar 25, 9:23 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
> > other team gets the ball.
> > a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
> > does too.
>
> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is.  after
> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
> rules.  just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
> out.  no stopage at the two minute warning.  a short period of 6 to 8
> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball.  no sudden
> death.  if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> it ends in a tie

I cant believe that 28 out of 32 owners voted for these new OT rules!
Sean Payton (N.O. coach) stated that he is pissed that the new rules
passed. Maybe its because he realizes that if the new rules existed
Farve and company would have been in the SB instead of them cause on
next possession in OT Minny would have most likely marched right down
field and scored a TD. I like to call this the Brett Farve rule,
although it was stated that the Minny owner voted against it.


== 9 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 11:43 am
From: Johnny Morongo


Johnctx wrote:
> Michael wrote:
>> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field
>>> goal the
>>> other team gets the ball.
>>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion
>>> an FG
>>> does too.
>>
>> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
>> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
>> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
>> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
>> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
>> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
>> it ends in a tie
>
> How do you really feel?
>
> :)
>
> I am with you. How about this? No OT in regular season and in the play
> offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each one.
> Play it until it is over.

Nice, but you really have to have more than a 5 minute period. A team
with a ground and pound O (ahem) could easily eat up five minutes of
time, especially if there were no more than one time out allowed, and
maybe a "one minute warning."


== 10 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:35 pm
From: "Ray OHara"

"Ritchie" <ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9fb5ff98-a5d3-43a7-b1dc-eb62c4f6201b@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 25, 9:23 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal
> > the
> > other team gets the ball.
> > a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an
> > FG
> > does too.
>
> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> it ends in a tie

I cant believe that 28 out of 32 owners voted for these new OT rules!
Sean Payton (N.O. coach) stated that he is pissed that the new rules
passed. Maybe its because he realizes that if the new rules existed
Farve and company would have been in the SB instead of them cause on
next possession in OT Minny would have most likely marched right down
field and scored a TD. I like to call this the Brett Farve rule,
although it was stated that the Minny owner voted against it.

========================================================================

I like it.
and Favre would have just tossed an INT gain.


== 11 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:03 pm
From: marcman


On Mar 25, 11:13 am, Deadmeat <no...@home.com> wrote:
> On 3/25/2010 9:23 AM, Michael wrote:
>
> > On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara"<raymond-oh...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
> >> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
> >> other team gets the ball.
> >> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
> >> does too.
>
> > what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is.  after
> > regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
> > rules.  just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
> > out.  no stopage at the two minute warning.  a short period of 6 to 8
> > minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball.  no sudden
> > death.  if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> > it ends in a tie
>
> As of now, the rule only applies to playoff games, so no ties.

No kiding?

You mean Fucktard OHara got it wrong??

I'm shocked I tell ya, SHOCKED!!!


== 12 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 2:25 pm
From: Johnctx


Michael wrote:
> On Mar 25, 9:58 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
>>>> other team gets the ball.
>>>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
>>>> does too.
>>> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
>>> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
>>> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
>>> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
>>> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
>>> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
>>> it ends in a tie
>> How do you really feel?
>>
>> :)
>>
>> I am with you. How about this? No OT in regular season and in the play
>> offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each one.
>> Play it until it is over.
>
> john... that would be good in the sense that it is fair. it is also
> goon in the sense that it spares players additional exposure, so it
> limits injury and exhaustion. the down side is that is deprives fans
> of the intence excitement of over time play.

Like this game?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/10/bengals_defeat_browns_23-20_in.html

:)

I just feel they should get it right when it matters. How different are
games if you are playing to prevent a tie if you need the win in regular
season?

== 13 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 2:26 pm
From: Johnctx


Johnny Morongo wrote:
> Johnctx wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field
>>>> goal the
>>>> other team gets the ball.
>>>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion
>>>> an FG
>>>> does too.
>>>
>>> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
>>> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
>>> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
>>> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
>>> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
>>> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
>>> it ends in a tie
>>
>> How do you really feel?
>>
>> :)
>>
>> I am with you. How about this? No OT in regular season and in the
>> play offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each
>> one. Play it until it is over.
>
> Nice, but you really have to have more than a 5 minute period. A team
> with a ground and pound O (ahem) could easily eat up five minutes of
> time, especially if there were no more than one time out allowed, and
> maybe a "one minute warning."

No you play the two 5 minute periods? Then two more.....


== 14 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 5:00 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


Johnctx wrote:
> Johnny Morongo wrote:
>> Johnctx wrote:
>>> Michael wrote:
>>>> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field
>>>>> goal the
>>>>> other team gets the ball.
>>>>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion
>>>>> an FG
>>>>> does too.
>>>>
>>>> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
>>>> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
>>>> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
>>>> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
>>>> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
>>>> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
>>>> it ends in a tie
>>>
>>> How do you really feel?
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> I am with you. How about this? No OT in regular season and in the
>>> play offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each
>>> one. Play it until it is over.
>>
>> Nice, but you really have to have more than a 5 minute period. A team
>> with a ground and pound O (ahem) could easily eat up five minutes of
>> time, especially if there were no more than one time out allowed, and
>> maybe a "one minute warning."
>
> No you play the two 5 minute periods? Then two more.....

No, make it one 8 minute OT at the end of which a tie is a tie, unless
it's a championship game. Then it's first to any kind of score, TD, FG,
or S.


== 15 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 5:10 pm
From: Deadmeat


On 3/25/2010 8:00 PM, Johnny Morongo wrote:
> Johnctx wrote:
>> Johnny Morongo wrote:
>>> Johnctx wrote:
>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field
>>>>>> goal the
>>>>>> other team gets the ball.
>>>>>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first
>>>>>> possesion an FG
>>>>>> does too.
>>>>>
>>>>> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
>>>>> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
>>>>> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
>>>>> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
>>>>> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
>>>>> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
>>>>> it ends in a tie
>>>>
>>>> How do you really feel?
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> I am with you. How about this? No OT in regular season and in the
>>>> play offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each
>>>> one. Play it until it is over.
>>>
>>> Nice, but you really have to have more than a 5 minute period. A team
>>> with a ground and pound O (ahem) could easily eat up five minutes of
>>> time, especially if there were no more than one time out allowed, and
>>> maybe a "one minute warning."
>>
>> No you play the two 5 minute periods? Then two more.....
>
> No, make it one 8 minute OT at the end of which a tie is a tie, unless
> it's a championship game. Then it's first to any kind of score, TD, FG,
> or S.

The way they had it was just fine. It was something like 51/49 in favor
of who won the toss. They tweaked it a little, but at least they didn't
make it horrible.


== 16 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 6:13 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Mar 25, 9:23 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
 if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> it ends in a tie

What if it is a playoff game?

mr dude (dons his Captain Obvious costume)

== 17 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 6:15 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Mar 25, 8:10 pm, Deadmeat <no...@home.com> wrote:

>
.  It was something like 51/49
> of who won the toss.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm...NO!

mr dude


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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 7:23 am
From: "MWB"

"DW" <DrWoodardOnDS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 24, 11:12 am, Husky <cyns...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So far I heard, for his vote, a CT pol got a few hundred million for a
> new Hosp.
> There were other payoffs for votes. Can anyone add to the list? TIA

Don't forget the Billions of dollars the republicans tack onto
defense bills for guns that don't shoot, planes that don't fly, etc.

Yes it could be your son that gets killed through faulty equipment
purchased by the republicans.


Which planes and guns are you reffering too???


GO RED SOX NATION

Mark


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 8:57 am
From: "Ray OHara"

"MWB" <bickmar@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ljKqn.65171$Dv7.39200@newsfe17.iad...
>
> "DW" <DrWoodardOnDS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9b15489c-1ea4-491e-8151-55c1b6006428@t23g2000yqt.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 24, 11:12 am, Husky <cyns...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So far I heard, for his vote, a CT pol got a few hundred million for a
>> new Hosp.
>> There were other payoffs for votes. Can anyone add to the list? TIA
>
> Don't forget the Billions of dollars the republicans tack onto
> defense bills for guns that don't shoot, planes that don't fly, etc.
>
> Yes it could be your son that gets killed through faulty equipment
> purchased by the republicans.
>
>
> Which planes and guns are you reffering too???
>

Sgt York air defense system for one.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:32 pm
From: "MWB"

"Ray OHara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hoftkg$j9u$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "MWB" <bickmar@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ljKqn.65171$Dv7.39200@newsfe17.iad...
>>
>> "DW" <DrWoodardOnDS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:9b15489c-1ea4-491e-8151-55c1b6006428@t23g2000yqt.googlegroups.com...
>> On Mar 24, 11:12 am, Husky <cyns...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So far I heard, for his vote, a CT pol got a few hundred million for a
>>> new Hosp.
>>> There were other payoffs for votes. Can anyone add to the list? TIA
>>
>> Don't forget the Billions of dollars the republicans tack onto
>> defense bills for guns that don't shoot, planes that don't fly, etc.
>>
>> Yes it could be your son that gets killed through faulty equipment
>> purchased by the republicans.
>>
>>
>> Which planes and guns are you reffering too???
>>
>
> Sgt York air defense system for one.
>

That was built during the Carter administration.


GO RED SOX NATION

Mark

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TOPIC: Akron police investigate black teen mob, 50 black savages attack white
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 6:04 pm
From: "There is no negro problem"


http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html

Akron police say they aren't ready to call it a hate crime or a
gang initiation.

But to Marty Marshall, his wife and two kids, it seems pretty
clear.

It came after a family night of celebrating America and freedom
with a fireworks show at Firestone Stadium. Marshall, his family
and two friends were gathered outside a friend's home in South
Akron.

Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of teenage boys,
who shouted ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world''
as they confronted Marshall and his family.

The Marshalls, who are white, say the crowd of teens who
attacked them and two friends June 27 on Girard Street numbered
close to 50. The teens were all black.

''This was almost like being a terrorist act,'' Marshall said.
''And we allow this to go on in our neighborhoods?''

They said it started when one teen, without any words or
warning, blindsided and assaulted Marshall's friend as he stood
outside with the others.

When Marshall, 39, jumped in, he found himself being attacked by
the growing group of teens.

His daughter, Rachel, 15, who weighs about 90 pounds, tried to
come to his rescue. The teens pushed her to the ground.

His wife, Yvonne, pushed their son, Donald, 14, into bushes to
keep him protected.

''My thing is,'' Marshall said, ''I didn't want this, but I was
in fear for my wife, my kids and my friends. I felt I had to
stay out there to protect them, because those guys were just
jumping, swinging fists and everything.

''I'm lucky. They didn't break my ribs or bruise my ribs. I
thank God, they concentrated on my thick head because I do have
one. They were trying to take my head off my spine, basically.''

After several minutes of punches and kicks, the attack ended and
the group ran off. The Marshalls' two adult male friends were
not seriously hurt.

''I don't think I thought at that moment when I tried to jump
in,'' Rachel Marshall said. ''But when I was laying on the
ground, I was just scared.''

Marshall was the most seriously injured. He suffered a
concussion and multiple bruises to his head and eye. He said he
spent five nights in the critical care unit at Akron General
Medical Center.

The construction worker said he now fears for his family's
safety, and the thousands of dollars in medical bills he faces
without insurance.

''I knew I was going to get beat, but not as bad as I did,''
Marshall said. ''But I did it to protect my family. I didn't
have a choice. There was no need for this. We should be all
getting along. But to me, it seems to be racist.''

Akron police are investigating. Right now, the case is not being
classified as a racial hate crime. There were no other reports
of victims assaulted by the group that night.

The department's gang unit is involved in the investigation,
police said.

''We don't know if it's a known gang, or just a group of kids,''
police Lt. Rick Edwards said.

The Marshalls say they fear retaliation at home or when they go
outside. They are considering arming themselves, but they're
concerned about the possible problems that come with guns.

For now, they are hoping police can bring them suspects. They
believe they can identify several of the attackers.

''This makes you think about your freedom,'' Marshall said. ''In
all reality, where is your freedom when you have this going on?''

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 8:42 pm
From: Double-Aces


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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 6:23 am
From: Michael


On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
> other team gets the ball.
> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
> does too.

what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
it ends in a tie


== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 6:58 am
From: Johnctx


Michael wrote:
> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
>> other team gets the ball.
>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
>> does too.
>
> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> it ends in a tie

How do you really feel?

:)

I am with you. How about this? No OT in regular season and in the play
offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each one.
Play it until it is over.


== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 8:53 am
From: "Ray OHara"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:4a6f1b51-ba86-4cdc-b4e4-63382052deda@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
> other team gets the ball.
> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
> does too.

what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
it ends in a tie

=======================================================================

a team can easily hold the ball for 8 minutes.


== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 8:06 am
From: MZ


Ray OHara wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:4a6f1b51-ba86-4cdc-b4e4-63382052deda@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
>> other team gets the ball.
>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
>> does too.
>
> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> it ends in a tie
>
> =======================================================================
>
> a team can easily hold the ball for 8 minutes.

I don't know about "easily". If a team holds the ball for 8 minutes,
then they deserve to win.

I like John's idea -- no OT for the regular season. In the playoffs, 8
minutes should be fine.


== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 8:10 am
From: Michael


On Mar 25, 9:58 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
> >> other team gets the ball.
> >> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
> >> does too.
>
> > what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is.  after
> > regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
> > rules.  just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
> > out.  no stopage at the two minute warning.  a short period of 6 to 8
> > minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball.  no sudden
> > death.  if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> > it ends in a tie
>
> How do you really feel?
>
> :)
>
> I am with you.  How about this?  No OT in regular season and in the play
> offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each one.
> Play it until it is over.

john... that would be good in the sense that it is fair. it is also
goon in the sense that it spares players additional exposure, so it
limits injury and exhaustion. the down side is that is deprives fans
of the intence excitement of over time play.


== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 8:11 am
From: MZ


Michael wrote:
> On Mar 25, 9:58 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
>>>> other team gets the ball.
>>>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
>>>> does too.
>>> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
>>> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
>>> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
>>> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
>>> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
>>> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
>>> it ends in a tie
>> How do you really feel?
>>
>> :)
>>
>> I am with you. How about this? No OT in regular season and in the play
>> offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each one.
>> Play it until it is over.
>
> john... that would be good in the sense that it is fair. it is also
> goon in the sense that it spares players additional exposure, so it
> limits injury and exhaustion. the down side is that is deprives fans
> of the intence excitement of over time play.

Yeah, but you'll see more teams go for the win at the end of the game
instead of the tie.


== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 8:13 am
From: Deadmeat


On 3/25/2010 9:23 AM, Michael wrote:
> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara"<raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
>> other team gets the ball.
>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
>> does too.
>
> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> it ends in a tie

As of now, the rule only applies to playoff games, so no ties.


== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 9:19 am
From: Ritchie


On Mar 25, 9:23 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
> > other team gets the ball.
> > a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
> > does too.
>
> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is.  after
> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
> rules.  just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
> out.  no stopage at the two minute warning.  a short period of 6 to 8
> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball.  no sudden
> death.  if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> it ends in a tie

I cant believe that 28 out of 32 owners voted for these new OT rules!
Sean Payton (N.O. coach) stated that he is pissed that the new rules
passed. Maybe its because he realizes that if the new rules existed
Farve and company would have been in the SB instead of them cause on
next possession in OT Minny would have most likely marched right down
field and scored a TD. I like to call this the Brett Farve rule,
although it was stated that the Minny owner voted against it.


== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 11:43 am
From: Johnny Morongo


Johnctx wrote:
> Michael wrote:
>> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field
>>> goal the
>>> other team gets the ball.
>>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion
>>> an FG
>>> does too.
>>
>> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
>> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
>> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
>> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
>> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
>> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
>> it ends in a tie
>
> How do you really feel?
>
> :)
>
> I am with you. How about this? No OT in regular season and in the play
> offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each one.
> Play it until it is over.

Nice, but you really have to have more than a 5 minute period. A team
with a ground and pound O (ahem) could easily eat up five minutes of
time, especially if there were no more than one time out allowed, and
maybe a "one minute warning."


== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:35 pm
From: "Ray OHara"

"Ritchie" <ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9fb5ff98-a5d3-43a7-b1dc-eb62c4f6201b@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 25, 9:23 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal
> > the
> > other team gets the ball.
> > a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an
> > FG
> > does too.
>
> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> it ends in a tie

I cant believe that 28 out of 32 owners voted for these new OT rules!
Sean Payton (N.O. coach) stated that he is pissed that the new rules
passed. Maybe its because he realizes that if the new rules existed
Farve and company would have been in the SB instead of them cause on
next possession in OT Minny would have most likely marched right down
field and scored a TD. I like to call this the Brett Farve rule,
although it was stated that the Minny owner voted against it.

========================================================================

I like it.
and Favre would have just tossed an INT gain.


== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:03 pm
From: marcman


On Mar 25, 11:13 am, Deadmeat <no...@home.com> wrote:
> On 3/25/2010 9:23 AM, Michael wrote:
>
> > On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara"<raymond-oh...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
> >> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
> >> other team gets the ball.
> >> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
> >> does too.
>
> > what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is.  after
> > regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
> > rules.  just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
> > out.  no stopage at the two minute warning.  a short period of 6 to 8
> > minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball.  no sudden
> > death.  if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
> > it ends in a tie
>
> As of now, the rule only applies to playoff games, so no ties.

No kiding?

You mean Fucktard OHara got it wrong??

I'm shocked I tell ya, SHOCKED!!!


== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 2:25 pm
From: Johnctx


Michael wrote:
> On Mar 25, 9:58 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field goal the
>>>> other team gets the ball.
>>>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion an FG
>>>> does too.
>>> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
>>> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
>>> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
>>> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
>>> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
>>> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
>>> it ends in a tie
>> How do you really feel?
>>
>> :)
>>
>> I am with you. How about this? No OT in regular season and in the play
>> offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each one.
>> Play it until it is over.
>
> john... that would be good in the sense that it is fair. it is also
> goon in the sense that it spares players additional exposure, so it
> limits injury and exhaustion. the down side is that is deprives fans
> of the intence excitement of over time play.

Like this game?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/10/bengals_defeat_browns_23-20_in.html

:)

I just feel they should get it right when it matters. How different are
games if you are playing to prevent a tie if you need the win in regular
season?

== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 2:26 pm
From: Johnctx


Johnny Morongo wrote:
> Johnctx wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field
>>>> goal the
>>>> other team gets the ball.
>>>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion
>>>> an FG
>>>> does too.
>>>
>>> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
>>> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
>>> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
>>> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
>>> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
>>> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
>>> it ends in a tie
>>
>> How do you really feel?
>>
>> :)
>>
>> I am with you. How about this? No OT in regular season and in the
>> play offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each
>> one. Play it until it is over.
>
> Nice, but you really have to have more than a 5 minute period. A team
> with a ground and pound O (ahem) could easily eat up five minutes of
> time, especially if there were no more than one time out allowed, and
> maybe a "one minute warning."

No you play the two 5 minute periods? Then two more.....


== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 5:00 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


Johnctx wrote:
> Johnny Morongo wrote:
>> Johnctx wrote:
>>> Michael wrote:
>>>> On Mar 24, 10:07 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> the new rule will be if the team that wins the toss kicks a field
>>>>> goal the
>>>>> other team gets the ball.
>>>>> a TD still ends the game sudden death and after the first possesion
>>>>> an FG
>>>>> does too.
>>>>
>>>> what a stupid shit half baked piece of crap that rule is. after
>>>> regulation runs out, it should still be a football game with the same
>>>> rules. just play a shortened period with each team getting one time
>>>> out. no stopage at the two minute warning. a short period of 6 to 8
>>>> minutes would ensure both teams got a crack at the ball. no sudden
>>>> death. if the game is still tied at the end of one extra period, than
>>>> it ends in a tie
>>>
>>> How do you really feel?
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> I am with you. How about this? No OT in regular season and in the
>>> play offs have 2- 5 minute OT periods reversing the field after each
>>> one. Play it until it is over.
>>
>> Nice, but you really have to have more than a 5 minute period. A team
>> with a ground and pound O (ahem) could easily eat up five minutes of
>> time, especially if there were no more than one time out allowed, and
>> maybe a "one minute warning."
>
> No you play the two 5 minute periods? Then two more.....

No, make it one 8 minute OT at the end of which a tie is a tie, unless
it's a championship game. Then it's first to any kind of score, TD, FG,
or S.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 6:56 am
From: Johnctx


Ray OHara wrote:
> "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hoadd5$cee$1@news.datemas.de...
>> Love 'em or hate 'em, you gotta admire the fact that he has truly seemed
>> to turn things around on the personal level.
>>
>> Hasn't been lured by the NYC party scene. Team player to the core. Signs
>> tender and reports without much hoopla.
>>
>> Now if only he could do something about those cement hands...
>>
>
> sometimes the stories are exagerated, here in N.E. we found that out with
> Corey Dillion and Randy Moss
>
>

Who got on your computer?

:)

Whether people see the race of some of these guys, or it is envy of a
young guy who has the economic world at his feet, we forget how old they
are.

I am not excusing getting arrested, drug use etc. but think about 22-27
years old that you know. Some are bright, focused, & driven guys. Then
there are guys that are largely on track but are still working their
way through the responsibilities of being a man. Finally there are the
knuckleheads that you wonder how the world will survive too many of them.

Maybe they just wake up. In Moss's case being in the whitest place in
America for a hick from West Virginia may have been a problem. Let's
hope Edwards keeps it up. It worked for Doc Gooden, right?


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 7:28 am
From: "yoyodog"

"Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
news:1ridnars0t4d9jbWnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Ray OHara wrote:
>> "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:hoadd5$cee$1@news.datemas.de...
>>> Love 'em or hate 'em, you gotta admire the fact that he has truly seemed
>>> to turn things around on the personal level.
>>>
>>> Hasn't been lured by the NYC party scene. Team player to the core.
>>> Signs tender and reports without much hoopla.
>>>
>>> Now if only he could do something about those cement hands...
>>>
>>
>> sometimes the stories are exagerated, here in N.E. we found that out with
>> Corey Dillion and Randy Moss
>
> Who got on your computer?
>
> :)
>
> Whether people see the race of some of these guys, or it is envy of a
> young guy who has the economic world at his feet, we forget how old they
> are.
>
> I am not excusing getting arrested, drug use etc. but think about 22-27
> years old that you know. Some are bright, focused, & driven guys. Then
> there are guys that are largely on track but are still working their way
> through the responsibilities of being a man. Finally there are the
> knuckleheads that you wonder how the world will survive too many of them.
>
> Maybe they just wake up. In Moss's case being in the whitest place in
> America for a hick from West Virginia may have been a problem. Let's hope
> Edwards keeps it up. It worked for Doc Gooden, right?

John Kordic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kordic


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 11:39 am
From: Johnny Morongo


Johnctx wrote:
> Ray OHara wrote:
>> "yoyodog" <NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:hoadd5$cee$1@news.datemas.de...
>>> Love 'em or hate 'em, you gotta admire the fact that he has truly
>>> seemed to turn things around on the personal level.
>>>
>>> Hasn't been lured by the NYC party scene. Team player to the core.
>>> Signs tender and reports without much hoopla.
>>>
>>> Now if only he could do something about those cement hands...
>>>
>>
>> sometimes the stories are exagerated, here in N.E. we found that out
>> with Corey Dillion and Randy Moss
>>
>
> Who got on your computer?
>
> :)
>
> Whether people see the race of some of these guys, or it is envy of a
> young guy who has the economic world at his feet, we forget how old they
> are.
>
> I am not excusing getting arrested, drug use etc. but think about 22-27
> years old that you know. Some are bright, focused, & driven guys. Then
> there are guys that are largely on track but are still working their
> way through the responsibilities of being a man. Finally there are the
> knuckleheads that you wonder how the world will survive too many of them.
>
> Maybe they just wake up. In Moss's case being in the whitest place in
> America for a hick from West Virginia may have been a problem. Let's
> hope Edwards keeps it up.

> It worked for Doc Gooden, right?

Nasty Mick, you.

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 7:00 am
From: Johnctx

>> If I meet with you pack of Bolsheviks I want it in a public place.
>> Although I will need a hat or a bottle of sun block if it is outdoors.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Have a good one.
>
> I don't ever go out without a hat....and sunblock.....so we can meet in a
> clandestine dark room, in a basement in lower Manhattan. After midnight.

:)

I just want you to know that the ankle bracelet I wear limits travel &
Johnny can't get his Moonies to grab me & take me away to his
re-education camp.


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 7:04 am
From: Johnctx


Michael wrote:
> On Mar 22, 9:24 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>
>>> agree 100 % papa. lots of people incorrectly believe that most of our
>>> "problems" including the wars we had/have are a result of economic
>>> interests. total bs. resources of all kinds including land and
>>> political power do not prove to be problematic to share/distribute
>>> among kindred peoples. look at the reasons why groups/individuals/
>>> countries try to pry resources away from "the other ones". perceived
>>> divisions cause wars and "problems" not stacks of money.
>>> Yup...very correct.
>> No, not correct at all. It is simplistic to say one factor causes
>> problems.It is more simplistic to dismiss economic & political greed &
>> replace it "us & them."
>
>
> John... I did not say that the only one factor involved in "problems"
> was cultural divisions. I'm pointing out that strife due to cultural
> division is all too often mistaken for simple economic gain as the
> impetus to strife. Cultural division would of course include the
> conflict that is always the inevitable accompaniment of religious
> dogma.

I probably did to you what I was complaining about, i.e. reading too
much in, or remembering past posts.
>
> Why would two people share a dollar they both just saw on the street
> vs. another two who will fight over it ??? They guys that fight just
> want all the money ???

I want to meet the first two.

The world is complicated and everything isn't about money but when they
said it was the root of all evil, well, sometimes old sayings hit the
nail on the head.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 8:20 am
From: Michael


On Mar 25, 10:04 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > On Mar 22, 9:24 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>
> > <SNIP>
>
> >>> agree 100 % papa.  lots of people incorrectly believe that most of our
> >>> "problems" including the wars we had/have are a result of economic
> >>> interests.  total bs.  resources of all kinds including land and
> >>> political power do not prove to be problematic to share/distribute
> >>> among kindred peoples.  look at the reasons why groups/individuals/
> >>> countries try to pry resources away from "the other ones".  perceived
> >>> divisions cause wars and "problems" not stacks of money.
> >>> Yup...very correct.  
> >> No, not correct at all.  It is simplistic to say one factor causes
> >> problems.It is more simplistic to dismiss economic & political greed &
> >> replace it "us & them."
>
> > John... I did not say that the only one factor involved in "problems"
> > was cultural divisions.  I'm pointing out that strife due to cultural
> > division is all too often mistaken for simple economic gain as the
> > impetus to strife.  Cultural division would of course include the
> > conflict that is always the inevitable accompaniment of religious
> > dogma.
>
> I probably did to you what I was complaining about, i.e. reading too
> much in, or remembering past posts.
>
>
>
> > Why would two people share a dollar they both just saw on the street
> > vs. another two who will fight over it ???  They guys that fight just
> > want all the money ???
>
> I want to meet the first two.
>
> The world is complicated and everything isn't about money but when they
> said it was the root of all evil, well, sometimes old sayings hit the
> nail on the head.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

john... agree... plenty of directions to point at. my particular
feeling is that the people or group that has good breeding, education,
refinement and sensitivities will see value in cooperation that goes
well beyond grasping at that dollar all for themselves. Simple greed
as an unfortunate extension of the survival instinct is an autonomous
component, but I think that ignorance is really the root of all evil
and not money.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:04 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:e51b2141-d878-48e7-945e-505b78d79674@i25g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 25, 10:04 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > On Mar 22, 9:24 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>
> > <SNIP>
>
> >>> agree 100 % papa. lots of people incorrectly believe that most of our
> >>> "problems" including the wars we had/have are a result of economic
> >>> interests. total bs. resources of all kinds including land and
> >>> political power do not prove to be problematic to share/distribute
> >>> among kindred peoples. look at the reasons why groups/individuals/
> >>> countries try to pry resources away from "the other ones". perceived
> >>> divisions cause wars and "problems" not stacks of money.
> >>> Yup...very correct.
> >> No, not correct at all. It is simplistic to say one factor causes
> >> problems.It is more simplistic to dismiss economic & political greed &
> >> replace it "us & them."
>
> > John... I did not say that the only one factor involved in "problems"
> > was cultural divisions. I'm pointing out that strife due to cultural
> > division is all too often mistaken for simple economic gain as the
> > impetus to strife. Cultural division would of course include the
> > conflict that is always the inevitable accompaniment of religious
> > dogma.
>
> I probably did to you what I was complaining about, i.e. reading too
> much in, or remembering past posts.
>
>
>
> > Why would two people share a dollar they both just saw on the street
> > vs. another two who will fight over it ??? They guys that fight just
> > want all the money ???
>
> I want to meet the first two.
>
> The world is complicated and everything isn't about money but when they
> said it was the root of all evil, well, sometimes old sayings hit the
> nail on the head.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

john... agree... plenty of directions to point at. my particular
feeling is that the people or group that has good breeding, education,
refinement and sensitivities will see value in cooperation that goes
well beyond grasping at that dollar all for themselves. Simple greed
as an unfortunate extension of the survival instinct is an autonomous
component, but I think that ignorance is really the root of all evil
and not money.

"good breeding" ? Did you really mean that literally? I used to raise
Labrador Retrievers, and for them I practiced good breeding to eliminate hip
disorders and create good temperment. Do you think breeding populations of
people are a big issue? Or, did you mean the way children are raised?


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:08 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
news:1ridnaTs0t4V8TbWnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>>> If I meet with you pack of Bolsheviks I want it in a public place.
>>> Although I will need a hat or a bottle of sun block if it is outdoors.
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Have a good one.
>>
>> I don't ever go out without a hat....and sunblock.....so we can meet in a
>> clandestine dark room, in a basement in lower Manhattan. After midnight.
>
> :)
>
> I just want you to know that the ankle bracelet I wear limits travel &
> Johnny can't get his Moonies to grab me & take me away to his re-education
> camp.

In the mid ' 70's we lived in Hartsdale, NY. At that time a lot of the
"Moonies" from the property he owned next to the Rockefeller Estate used to
come by and try and sell their flowers and crap....they were a very annoying
group. I had to drive past them quite a few times going to and from work, I
think they learned to avoid me.

I have a place all picked out..it's off McDougal Street.....you will receive
a special package, plain vanilla envelope with no return address. Follow
the instructions. Oh, there will be music involved....hope you liked the
60's.


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:12 pm
From: Michael


On Mar 25, 4:04 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:

> "good breeding" ?  Did you really mean that literally?  

upbringing, not eugenics...


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 2:30 pm
From: Johnctx


Michael wrote:
> On Mar 25, 4:04 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> "good breeding" ? Did you really mean that literally?
>
> upbringing, not eugenics...

I think you meant rearing-- shut up Johnny-- not breeding.

I thought Margaret Sanger or one of the Huxley's got hold of your keyboard.


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