Tuesday, April 13, 2010

rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 6 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* it's all about the radios - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5925d32c6527d207?hl=en
* P-R perspective - 14 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/465aba640c705c4a?hl=en
* Cancellara Can't... - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cb78f893164022bd?hl=en
* Can't We All Just Get Along? - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/09050017eb68aa3a?hl=en
* I don't speak much Dutch but - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/07ad0fc39244f678?hl=en
* Cancellara can't win Amstel Gold and LBL - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ac61e5eef9a984e6?hl=en

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TOPIC: it's all about the radios
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5925d32c6527d207?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 9:54 am
From: Scott


On Apr 13, 2:45 am, "Fred K. Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "Betty Munro" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
>
> news:uemd97-173.ln1@donald.homeip.net...
>
> > Scott wrote:
> >> Moral of that story:  Riis is really smart.  Just ask him.
>
> > Natural selection, see also Bruyneel J.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Those are the two smart ones.
>
> No one else stands out.
>
> thanks,
>
> Fred. presented by Gringioni.

I don't disagree. I wasn't making fun of how Riis went to so much
trouble to bring it to everyone's attention that he is smart.

Q: What do Bjarne and his wife have in common?

A: They both love Bjarne.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 10:20 am
From: "Fred K. Gringioni"

"Scott" <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f7787498-e44e-4549-aac3-ac2cc2f64227@u31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

>
>
> I don't disagree. I wasn't making fun of how Riis went to so much
> trouble to bring it to everyone's attention that he is smart.
>
> Q: What do Bjarne and his wife have in common?
>
> A: They both love Bjarne.


Dumbass -

I never really noticed that before, but I don't read the cycling press
enough to be any sort of authority. I'll take your word for it.

thanks,

Fred. presented by Gringioni.


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TOPIC: P-R perspective
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/465aba640c705c4a?hl=en
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 10:17 am
From: "Fred K. Gringioni"

"Scott" <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:60501e7f-29c1-4af1-8260-

> I see. I hadn't read that thread before posting, but now that I have,
> I have to say that some of your points were also addressed in my
> conversations last week while in Belgium. For example, I'd asked why
> Boonen insisting on sharing so much of the work during Flanders, and
> why he didn't just sit on more. It seems that it didn't have anything
> to do with Boonen not being smart enough or too stubborn or proud to
> sit on, but rather it all had to do with the fact that, unlike in US
> amateur racing, the Euro pros just can't get away with that as they
> would lose all respect amongst their peers. Apparently they don't see
> wheel-sucking as the art form that we do.


Dumbass -

That's bullshit. Read Hincapie's comments from Flanders and Boonen's
comments from Roubaix. There were always a few guys who wouldn't share in
the work chasing and it killed the cooperative will of those who would
(chasing Boonen/Cancellara @ Flanders and Cancellara @ P-R).

Sharing the work may have been an admirable ethos for Boonen in Flanders,
but his overaggressiveness @ Paris-Roubaix was his undoing. He wasn't nearly
as strong as Cancellara. If he wanted to win, he should've realized it and
tailored his tactics with that fact in mind.

thanks,

Fred. presented by Gringioni.

== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 10:45 am
From: Scott


On Apr 13, 11:17 am, "Fred K. Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:60501e7f-29c1-4af1-8260-
>
> > I see.  I hadn't read that thread before posting, but now that I have,
> > I have to say that some of your points were also addressed in my
> > conversations last week while in Belgium.  For example, I'd asked why
> > Boonen insisting on sharing so much of the work during Flanders, and
> > why he didn't just sit on more.  It seems that it didn't have anything
> > to do with Boonen not being smart enough or too stubborn or proud to
> > sit on, but rather it all had to do with the fact that, unlike in US
> > amateur racing, the Euro pros just can't get away with that as they
> > would lose all respect amongst their peers.  Apparently they don't see
> > wheel-sucking as the art form that we do.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> That's bullshit. Read Hincapie's comments from Flanders and Boonen's
> comments from Roubaix. There were always a few guys who wouldn't share in
> the work chasing and it killed the cooperative will of those who would
> (chasing Boonen/Cancellara @ Flanders and Cancellara @ P-R).
>
> Sharing the work may have been an admirable ethos for Boonen in Flanders,
> but his overaggressiveness @ Paris-Roubaix was his undoing. He wasn't nearly
> as strong as Cancellara. If he wanted to win, he should've realized it and
> tailored his tactics with that fact in mind.
>
> thanks,
>
> Fred. presented by Gringioni.

Dumbass,

I guess we'll just have to agree to agree. I'm not arguing against
your points, and apparently you're not arguing mine. We agree Boonen
overdid it at Roubaix and we don't disagree that some riders didn't
help in the chase, which is a completely different thing than sitting
on Cancellara's wheel for 50km and which would've resulting in great
scorn for Boonen.

Quick quiz: what is perhaps the single greatest example of a 'cagey'
rider sitting on the wheel of a strong TT rider, then outsprinting
them for the win? Think Big!


== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 10:51 am
From: "Fred K. Gringioni"

"Scott" <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a69f6509-8d7b-41e2-b579-f162cc124434@q15g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 13, 11:17 am, "Fred K. Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>


> Quick quiz: what is perhaps the single greatest example of a 'cagey'
> rider sitting on the wheel of a strong TT rider, then outsprinting
> them for the win? Think Big!

Dumbass -

I guess I missed your sarcasm. Sorry.

As for the question, I think most people would say Bruyneel/Indurain at the
TdF, but the one I like is Sean Kelly/Moreno Argentin @ Milan-San Remo. That
was epic.

thanks,

Fred. presented by Gringioni.

== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 11:34 am
From: Amit Ghosh


On Apr 13, 12:46 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 11:21 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You're right, you don't have to be a multi-classics winner, but it
> does lend a bit more credence to it than say, your opinion or perhaps
> TK's opinion.  You go win L-B-L and maybe we'll pay attention to you.

dumbass,

here's a list of recent LBL winners :

valverde
di luca
hamilton
vandenbroucke
rebellin
vinokourov
camenzind
berzin
gianetti

i figure i'm just a couple faxes and oil changes away from a podium
spot.

== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 11:43 am
From: Amit Ghosh


On Apr 13, 1:45 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I guess we'll just have to agree to agree.  I'm not arguing against
> your points, and apparently you're not arguing mine.  We agree Boonen
> overdid it at Roubaix and we don't disagree that some riders didn't
> help in the chase, which is a completely different thing than sitting
> on Cancellara's wheel for 50km and which would've resulting in great
> scorn for Boonen.
>
> Quick quiz:  what is perhaps the single greatest example of a 'cagey'
> rider sitting on the wheel of a strong TT rider, then outsprinting
> them for the win?  Think Big!

dumbass,

you're probably thinking of boogerd sitting on armstrong at amstel,
but i can think of lots of cases where a rider sat on even at the risk
of getting caught/leeting a break go in order to win. pozzatto did in
the E3 last year.

pros generally don't work just for the hell of it - unlike most
dumabss amateurs. boogerd sat on because he could, he had teammates
chasing, working and then losing because of it is dumb.

boogerd pissed off all the papai-clones, but they don't understand
team tactics (it's not just leadouts and drafting).

== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 4:05 pm
From: Scott


On Apr 13, 12:34 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 12:46 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 12, 11:21 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You're right, you don't have to be a multi-classics winner, but it
> > does lend a bit more credence to it than say, your opinion or perhaps
> > TK's opinion.  You go win L-B-L and maybe we'll pay attention to you.
>
> dumbass,
>
> here's a list of recent LBL winners :
>
> valverde
> di luca
> hamilton
> vandenbroucke
> rebellin
> vinokourov
> camenzind
> berzin
> gianetti
>
> i figure i'm just a couple faxes and oil changes away from a podium
> spot.

Gotta think further back. How about this, you go put in a 14 yr pro
career with a few big classics wins in the pre-radio days, then I'll
pay attention to your comments re: race tactics.


== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 4:09 pm
From: Scott


On Apr 13, 12:43 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 1:45 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I guess we'll just have to agree to agree.  I'm not arguing against
> > your points, and apparently you're not arguing mine.  We agree Boonen
> > overdid it at Roubaix and we don't disagree that some riders didn't
> > help in the chase, which is a completely different thing than sitting
> > on Cancellara's wheel for 50km and which would've resulting in great
> > scorn for Boonen.
>
> > Quick quiz:  what is perhaps the single greatest example of a 'cagey'
> > rider sitting on the wheel of a strong TT rider, then outsprinting
> > them for the win?  Think Big!
>
> dumbass,
>
> you're probably thinking of boogerd sitting on armstrong at amstel,
> but i can think of lots of cases where a rider sat on even at the risk
> of getting caught/leeting a break go in order to win. pozzatto did in
> the E3 last year.
>
> pros generally don't work just for the hell of it - unlike most
> dumabss amateurs. boogerd sat on because he could, he had teammates
> chasing, working and then losing because of it is dumb.
>
> boogerd pissed off all the papai-clones, but they don't understand
> team tactics (it's not just leadouts and drafting).

Actually, I was referring to Bruyneel. Anyway, there is a subtle
difference between my example, any of the other examples, and the
Cancellara/Boonen example. In the Cancellara/Boonen case, we're
talking about a race that is traditionally won by the strongest rider
(as it was this year) and there's no great pride in being a wheel
sucker when an entire nation expects you to be that 'strongest'
rider. The other cases were cagey riders who were clearly not up to
the standard of the rider they followed and their only hopes were to
shamelessly wheel suck.


== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 4:44 pm
From: Henry


On Apr 14, 11:09 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 12:43 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 13, 1:45 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I guess we'll just have to agree to agree.  I'm not arguing against
> > > your points, and apparently you're not arguing mine.  We agree Boonen
> > > overdid it at Roubaix and we don't disagree that some riders didn't
> > > help in the chase, which is a completely different thing than sitting
> > > on Cancellara's wheel for 50km and which would've resulting in great
> > > scorn for Boonen.
>
> > > Quick quiz:  what is perhaps the single greatest example of a 'cagey'
> > > rider sitting on the wheel of a strong TT rider, then outsprinting
> > > them for the win?  Think Big!
>
> > dumbass,
>
> > you're probably thinking of boogerd sitting on armstrong at amstel,
> > but i can think of lots of cases where a rider sat on even at the risk
> > of getting caught/leeting a break go in order to win. pozzatto did in
> > the E3 last year.
>
> > pros generally don't work just for the hell of it - unlike most
> > dumabss amateurs. boogerd sat on because he could, he had teammates
> > chasing, working and then losing because of it is dumb.
>
> > boogerd pissed off all the papai-clones, but they don't understand
> > team tactics (it's not just leadouts and drafting).
>
> Actually, I was referring to Bruyneel.  Anyway, there is a subtle
> difference between my example, any of the other examples, and the
> Cancellara/Boonen example.  In the Cancellara/Boonen case, we're
> talking about a race that is traditionally won by the strongest rider
> (as it was this year) and there's no great pride in being a wheel
> sucker when an entire nation expects you to be that 'strongest'
> rider.  The other cases were cagey riders who were clearly not up to
> the standard of the rider they followed and their only hopes were to
> shamelessly wheel suck.
assuming Boonen did suck Cancellara's wheel, and win, the record books
would show the win


== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 5:02 pm
From: RobertH


On Apr 13, 5:44 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> assuming Boonen did suck Cancellara's wheel ...

The bizarre assumption is this idea that Cancellara would have just
TT'd all the way to the line with Boonen on his wheel.


== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 6:04 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Scott wrote:

> I guess we'll just have to agree to agree.

+ about a million points for that comment.


== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 6:35 pm
From: Amit Ghosh


On Apr 13, 7:09 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, I was referring to Bruyneel.  Anyway, there is a subtle
> difference between my example, any of the other examples, and the
> Cancellara/Boonen example.  In the Cancellara/Boonen case, we're
> talking about a race that is traditionally won by the strongest rider


dumbass,

i disagee, LBL is a type of race that is won by the strongest rider. a
lot of times the PR winner is the luckiest (last yr the whole break
behind boonen crashed out) and the race favors team tactics (flat,
small groups) - a strong /well-organized team is more important in PR
than in a race like LBL.

that is why lefevere teams won it 7 times in 8 years (1995-2002) and
10 times since 1995.

> (as it was this year) and there's no great pride in being a wheel
> sucker when an entire nation expects you to be that 'strongest'
> rider.  

a someone else pointed out. it wasn't as if cancellara would ride 50
kms with boonen on his wheel. if you've raced you been the the
position where you're in a break with someone who won't or can't
contribute you know that you have the choice to either sit up and try
again or try to drop them.

if boonen had maked cancellara more closely he might not have won, but
it would've played out like E3 or RVV, where in order to win
cancellara would have to attack sometime before a final sprint.

== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 8:24 pm
From: Scott


On Apr 13, 7:35 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 7:09 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually, I was referring to Bruyneel.  Anyway, there is a subtle
> > difference between my example, any of the other examples, and the
> > Cancellara/Boonen example.  In the Cancellara/Boonen case, we're
> > talking about a race that is traditionally won by the strongest rider
>
> dumbass,
>
> i disagee, LBL is a type of race that is won by the strongest rider. a
> lot of times the PR winner is the luckiest (last yr the whole break
> behind boonen crashed out) and the race favors team tactics (flat,
> small groups) - a strong /well-organized team is more important in PR
> than in a race like LBL.
>
> that is why lefevere teams won it 7 times in 8 years (1995-2002) and
> 10 times since 1995.
>
> > (as it was this year) and there's no great pride in being a wheel
> > sucker when an entire nation expects you to be that 'strongest'
> > rider.  
>
> a someone else pointed out. it wasn't as if cancellara would ride 50
> kms with boonen on his wheel. if you've raced you been the the
> position where you're in a break with someone who won't or can't
> contribute you know that you have the choice to either sit up and try
> again or try to drop them.
>
> if boonen had maked cancellara more closely he might not have won, but
> it would've played out like E3 or RVV, where in order to win
> cancellara would have to attack sometime before a final sprint.

Like I said, if you had 14 years as a Euro pro, I'd pay attention to
your opinions. You don't, and I don't.


== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 9:04 pm
From: Amit Ghosh


On Apr 13, 7:09 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, I was referring to Bruyneel.  Anyway, there is a subtle
> difference between my example,

dumbass,

there is also a very non subtle difference:

a stage in a stage race is a different situation than a one day race.
often in a stage race one rider might be looking to gain time the
others might be trying to win the stage.

indurain was looking for time, so it was in his interest to keep
pulling, rather than conserving himself to win the stage.


== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 9:06 pm
From: Amit Ghosh


On Apr 13, 11:24 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Like I said, if you had 14 years as a Euro pro, I'd pay attention to
> your opinions.  You don't, and I don't.

dumbass,

i have the benefit of careful observation - you don't.

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TOPIC: Cancellara Can't...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cb78f893164022bd?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 10:27 am
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Apr 13, 8:22 am, "Mexican Low Rider Mafia" <mexican-low-rider-
ma...@mexican-low-rider-mafia.com> wrote:
> Cancellara can't do a triple or a quad.
>
> I'll bet you a jillion euros on it.


Well duh. Those are hard to land even for Olympic figure skaters.

-rj


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 3:46 pm
From: Henry


On Apr 14, 1:22 am, "Mexican Low Rider Mafia" <mexican-low-rider-
ma...@mexican-low-rider-mafia.com> wrote:
> Cancellara can't do a triple or a quad.
>
> I'll bet you a jillion euros on it.

I thought it was brazillion


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 6:01 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
> On Apr 13, 8:22 am, "Mexican Low Rider Mafia" <mexican-low-rider-
> ma...@mexican-low-rider-mafia.com> wrote:
>> Cancellara can't do a triple or a quad.
>>
>> I'll bet you a jillion euros on it.
>
>
> Well duh. Those are hard to land even for Olympic figure skaters.

Have you SEEN what that boy's been doing lately? I say we give him some
skates and see what he can do!

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TOPIC: Can't We All Just Get Along?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/09050017eb68aa3a?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 12:11 pm
From: "Steve Freides"


ABS wrote:
> On Apr 11, 4:28 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> **Snip**
>
>> Retards,
>>
>> Mote, eye, beam, own.
>>
>> Ben
>
> Holy cow....breathtaking, seriously, a masterpiece of understatement,
> I recommend framing it.

It does require a Christian frame of reference - that's a strike against
it, IMHO.

-S-


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 2:47 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Apr 13, 3:11 pm, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
> ABS wrote:
> > On Apr 11, 4:28 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > **Snip**
>
> >> Retards,
>
> >> Mote, eye, beam, own.
>
> >> Ben
>
> > Holy cow....breathtaking, seriously, a masterpiece of understatement,
> > I recommend framing it.
>
> It does require a Christian frame of reference - that's a strike against
> it, IMHO.

Christians are easy to frame, they even
carry their own wood.

Ben

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 3:46 pm
From: heather


Fred K. Gringioni wrote:
>
> "heather" <clevis@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:82h7iuFc0fU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Mr. Vebell saw the fighting at Monte Cassino from a soldier's-eye
>> point of view. ''At one point, there was a truce so we could pick up
>> bodies,'' he said. As they gathered their dead, soldiers from both
>> sides began talking to each other, exchanging cigarettes, candy and
>> liquor and even inviting each other to share a meal. As far as the
>> soldiers were concerned ''the war could've ended right there,'' he
>> said. "
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Do you have a link to this story?
>
> As an aside, check out the Aldous Huxley quote on facebook.
>
> thanks,
>
> Fred. presented by Gringioni.

I got the quote from the seller of the photograph (on eBay), but I went
and found it for you, even though that restraining order is still in
effect...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/11/nyregion/squinting-drawing-and-never-forgetting.html?scp=1&sq=vebell&st=cse

yes, I like your quote, and the Eisenhower one too- I hate war too. (I
know, duh, who doesn't, but still, I do hate it.)


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 11:28 pm
From: "Fred K. Gringioni"

"heather" <clevis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:82kahbFa9dU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> I got the quote from the seller of the photograph (on eBay), but I went
> and found it for you, even though that restraining order is still in
> effect...
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/11/nyregion/squinting-drawing-and-never-forgetting.html?scp=1&sq=vebell&st=cse
>
> yes, I like your quote, and the Eisenhower one too- I hate war too. (I
> know, duh, who doesn't, but still, I do hate it.)


Dumbass -

Eisenhower quotes are awesome to use against the Chickenhawks. It's not like
they can claim that he's some raving liberal. His credentials are
impeccable.

I wish I would've known about this one before the start of the Iraq War.

"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen
to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing." President
Dwight David Eisenhower, former commander in chief of the Allied Forces,
WWII - Presidential news conference, 11 August 1954

thanks,

Fred. presented by Gringioni.


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TOPIC: I don't speak much Dutch but
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 3:49 pm
From: Henry


On Apr 13, 8:30 pm, Betty Munro <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> Henry wrote:
> > just like American is a dialect of English
>
> Flemish is a lot more understandable to Dutch speakers than some
> American dialects are to civilized english speakers.

I found a couple of UK accents an earful - Newcastle and York. Argh!

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TOPIC: Cancellara can't win Amstel Gold and LBL
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ac61e5eef9a984e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 13 2010 7:53 pm
From: "Mexican Low Rider Mafia"


It is not possible. Is it?


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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2412 Brinda: committee may not serve independent probe

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Brinda: committee may not serve independent probe
http://www.hindu.com/2010/04/14/stories/2010041465251500.htm
Aarti Dhar, The Hindu, Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010

"Include public health experts in clinical trials"
How was the office of NRHM used for conducting "clinical trials'' of
HPV anti-cancer vaccine?
Prima facie a case of connivance with manufacturer in violation of
guidelines

NEW DELHI:Communist Party of India (Marxist) MP Brinda Karat has
expressed dissatisfaction with the three-member committee set up by
the government to look into the alleged violation of guidelines for
conducting "clinical trials'' of human papillomavirus (HPV) anti-
cancer vaccine by a non-government organisation (PATH) for a U.S.-
based pharmaceutical company. The project is funded by the Bill and
Melinda Gates Foundation.

Letter to Azad

"The committee that includes a former government official and a
serving doctor may not serve the purpose of independent enquiry. I
would request you to include well-known public health experts, people
from the social sector as well as those involved in studies regarding
violation of ethical guidelines in clinical trials," Ms. Karat has
said in a letter to Health Minister Ghulam Nabi Azad.

"The committee presumably will be dealing with the violation of
ethical guidelines by government officials and institutions, including
investigating the role of senior officials perhaps even more senior
than those in the committee. It is also necessary to inquire into how
the office of the NRHM [National Rural Health Mission] is used for the
project which is not in its mandate.

The committee members — S.P. Agarwal, former Director-General of
Health Services; Sunita Mittal, head of the Department Obstetrics and
Gynaecology at the All-India Institute of Medical Sciences; and
pharmacologist Ranjit Roy — have been asked to submit their report
within two months.

Ms. Karat wrote to Mr. Azad twice earlier drawing his attention to the
alleged violation of guidelines by MSD Pharmaceuticals in conducting
the trials through an NGO in Andhra Pradesh and Gujarat.

Fundamental question

"I had raised a fundamental question on the nature of the programme.
This was in the context of the differing statements given by the
concerned officials to me. More recently, both the Secretary of the
Ministry and the Director of the Indian Council of Medical Research
are on record in an official meeting that the programme is a 'clinical
trial.' I am, therefore, surprised that you have stated categorically
that it is not a clinical trial but 'an operational research study.'

"Elsewhere in the annexure it is referred to as a 'demonstration
project.' Are these the same and what are the definitions? On a
perusal of the ICMR literature and guidelines, I find that there is no
such category listed as 'operational research.' The NACO [National
AIDS Control Organisation] guidelines use this term, but with the same
protocols as clinical trials. Of late, some internationally funded
health medical researchers representing pharma companies are using
this term to provide a reason for not seeking ethical approval for a
study on the grounds that it does not involve primary research. I hope
you will clarify this issue," she said.

Conflict of interest

"Another issue which unfortunately has not been addressed in your
letter is the conflict of interest involved in the PATH project. This
NGO is a partner of the manufacturing company MERCK in other projects.

"As a partner, it can be easily understood that the conflict arises
from the interests of the subjects of the project, in this case
children, on the one hand, and the vaccine manufacturer, on the other.

"If there is not to be a cover-up of what appears prima facie to be a
case of connivance with a vaccine manufacturing company in violation
of set guidelines, I would once again request you to kindly look into
the aspect of the inquiry, both in its terms of reference and in its
composition."

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2411 Confinement sought for NY man who spread HIV

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ALBANY, N.Y. — A New York man who was convicted of knowingly infecting
at least 13 women with the AIDS virus has completed his prison
sentence, but he may face civil confinement as a sex offender.

Attorney General Andrew Cuomo wants Nushawn Williams held under a law
that allows for keeping the most dangerous sex offenders out of
communities after they have served their sentences.

Williams completed a 12-year sentence Tuesday.

Williams infected the women in western New York in the late 1990s. He
had said at the time that he didn't believe health officials who told
him he was HIV positive.

The process of determining whether Williams' mental state justifies
confinement or intensive supervision could take months.

Williams will be held until then. He now goes by the name Shyteek
Johnson.

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NEWS
* Banks Step Up Fight Against Corruption with Historic Cross-Debarment Agreement
* Bank Financing for Recovery Hits a Record $100 Billion
* East Asia Emerging Stronger from the Crisis
* Comoros Eligible for Debt Relief
* Bank Alerts European Governments to Steep Economic Costs of Roma Exclusion
* Towards Better Health Outcomes in Europe and Central Asia
* Latin America's Growth Hinges on Investing Wisely in Social Services
* The Challenge of Rebuilding Better After a Disaster
 
PUBLICATIONS
* The Little Data Book 2010
 
EVENTS AND DISCUSSIONS
* Speak Out: East Asia and Pacific Update Online Chat
 
REGIONAL NEWS AND PROJECTS
Africa
East Asia and Pacific
Europe and Central Asia
Latin America and the Caribbean
Middle East and North Africa
South Asia
 
RESULTS
* India's Tuberculosis Program Provides Hope to Millions
* In Latin America, Cash Transfers Protect the Most Vulnerable
* Bulgaria's Living Standards Rise with EU Membership
* Jordan Prepares for a Global Knowledge Economy
 
BUSINESS AND CAREER OPPORTUNITIES
* Regional Strategy & Program Director (Middle East and North Africa)
 
ON THE BLOGS
* Africa Can Meet the MDGs
* The Economy Slumbers as Power Eludes Bangladesh
 
IN DEPTH
* Financial Crisis: Rethinking Globalization after the Crisis
 
DID YOU KNOW?
* 2010 is International Year of Biodiversity
 
 
 
Banks Step Up Fight Against Corruption with Historic Cross-Debarment Agreement
Taking a major step in the global fight against fraud and corruption, leading Multilateral Development Banks (MDBs) signed an agreement to cross-debar firms and individuals found to have engaged in wrongdoing in MDB-financed development projects. Under the new agreement, entities debarred by one MDB may be sanctioned for the same misconduct by other participating development banks, serving as a powerful deterrent to firms that are engaging in fraudulent and corrupt practices in development projects. Read More
 
Bank Financing for Recovery Hits a Record $100 Billion
The World Bank Group has committed $ 100 billion since July 2008, an all-time high, as it helps countries respond to and recover from the global downturn. The speed and scale of the Bank's response to help countries through the financial crisis has been unprecedented, with support to 497 projects in areas such as safety nets for the poor, infrastructure to create jobs and build a foundation for recovery, agriculture to support small farmers, and micro-finance to help small and micro-enterprises. Read More
 
East Asia Emerging Stronger from the Crisis
The developing countries of East Asia, led by China, are recovering well from the global economic crisis, according to a new report from the World Bank. But how the region's leaders handle the next round of important economic decisions will determine the strength and speed of future growth. Video Speak Out Read More
 
Comoros Eligible for Debt Relief
A preliminary assessment has deemed the Union of the Comoros eligible for assistance under the enhanced Heavily Indebted Poor Countries (HIPC) Initiative, bringing it a step towards forgiveness of the majority of the country's $285.9 million in foreign debt. Comoros will qualify for unconditional debt relief upon reaching the completion point under the HIPC initiative. Read More
 
Bank Alerts European Governments to Steep Economic Costs of Roma Exclusion
European countries are losing hundreds of millions of Euros annually in productivity and fiscal contributions as a result of economic and fiscal costs of Roma exclusion, according to the World Bank's ongoing study "Economic Costs of Roma Exclusion," whose preliminary findings were presented at the Second European Roma Summit. The study, which focuses on the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Romania and Serbia, finds that the vast majority of working-age Roma lack sufficient skills to participate successfully in the labor market, and recommends investing in education as the economically smart choice to make. Read More
 
Towards Better Health Outcomes in Europe and Central Asia              
As the international community observes World Health Day, the World Bank's program in Europe and Central Asia aims to improve health outcomes, building on the successes and focusing on the challenges that lie ahead for the health of the region's most vulnerable groups. Various programs and interventions have been designed and implemented in different countries, aimed at improved financing and organization of health service delivery, raising awareness, and working with government on developing appropriate policies, laws, and regulations. Read More
 
Latin America's Growth Hinges on Investing Wisely in Social Services
Investing "smart" in key social and economic services should be at the top of Latin America's development agenda as it turns the corner on the global financial crisis and resumes brisk economic growth. Issues that need to be addressed to sustain growth and align the region with global standards, include closing the region's education, health and innovation gaps, which were placed on the backburner during the thick of the economic crisis, said World Bank vice president Pamela Cox while attending the World Economic Forum on Latin America in Cartagena, Colombia. Read More
 
Rebuilding Better after a Disaster: Bank Handbook Guides Experts
The 2008 earthquake in China claimed over 68,000 lives; with the recent quake in Haiti, some 230,000 people are feared dead. The toll in both these calamities could have been dramatically reduced had homes, schools, hospitals and office buildings been built to withstand the earth's violent tremors. "Safer Homes, Stronger Communities" is a handbook that gives policymakers and project managers the information they need to plan and carry out housing and community reconstruction projects that empower communities affected by disasters and that reduce their vulnerability to future disasters. Download the Handbook Read More
 
 
 
The Little Data Book 2010  
Now in its eighth edition, this pocket-sized reference on key development data for more than 200 countries provides profiles of each country with 54 development indicators about people, environment, economy, technology and infrastructure, trade, and finance. It is intended as a quick reference for users of World Development Indicators and the Atlas of Global Development. Read More
 
 
 
 
Speak Out: East Asia and Pacific Update Online Chat
World Bank economists Ivailo Izvorski and  Vikram Nehru held an online chat on April 12 on the Bank's latest East Asia and Pacific Economic Update. The report finds the region's output and exports have returned to pre-financial crisis levels; rapid economic growth is anticipated. Online Chat Transcript
 
 
 
Monthly Operational Summary of proposed projects in all regions
 
 
 
Africa
 
Africans Living Outside the Continent Can Make a Development Difference Back Home
At a Washington D.C. gathering of some 400 members of the African diaspora, representatives from 19 countries and 137 associations discussed ways to mobilize resources in order to further development in Africa. The World Bank's Managing Director, Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, called on African nations to tap in to the diaspora: "Country after country on the continent is looking for one skill or the other that I know is available outside, even on a part time basis," she said. Read More
 
Approved
South Africa: Eskom Investment Support Project
$3,750 billion to help South Africa achieve a reliable electricity supply while also financing some of the biggest solar and wind power plants in the developing world. The loan aims to benefit the poor directly, through jobs created as the economy bounces back from the global financial crisis and through additional power capacity to expand access to electricity. Read More
 
 Approved
Senegal: Economic Governance Project
$8 million IDA credit to improve aspects of the functioning of the justice sector relevant to the investment climate. The four year project is expected to reduce delays and backlog of case processing at the Regional Court of Justice of Dakar, and reduce average time to enforce a contract, among others. Read More
 
 Approved
Tanzania: Energy Development and Access Expansion Project [Additional Financing]
 $25 million in additional financing to support small renewable energy projects for rural Tanzania. Eighty potential projects have been identified, of which 22 are considered priority with confirmed sponsors and detailed design studies completed or underway with a cumulative total size of 78 MW. The additional funds will scale-up the project's outcomes and targets for renewable energy generation. Read More
 
For more information on the Africa region...
 
  
East Asia and Pacific
 
East Asia's Challenges in Post-Crisis Period
The East Asia and Pacific region is poised to make a full recovery from the global economic crisis, and could be poised to lead world economic growth in coming decades, said Juan Jose Daboub, Managing Director of the World Bank Group, at the 14th ASEAN Finance Ministers' Meeting. The challenges that remain include implementation of the remaining reform agenda, accelerating regional integration, and achieving a balance between energy security and sustainability, he said. Read More
 
Approved
Vietnam: Second Northern Mountains Poverty Reduction Project
$150 million to enhance the living standards of the local people. This is done through improving and diversifying their livelihoods opportunities through better access to productive infrastructure, innovative businesses, improved agricultural productivity and local employment. It also helps to build capacity of local governments and communities to plan, manage and implement livelihood improvement programs in their localities. Read More
 
Approved
Vietnam: Central North Region Health Support Project
$65 million for better health for poor communities. In 2008, the government of Vietnam passed a Health Insurance Law aimed at universal coverage within the decade. The project will increase coverage for the near poor - currently at only 10% - while upgrading capacities of district hospitals and preventive health centers. It will also provide further training to medical practitioners and upgrade medical colleges. Read More
 
Approved
Vietnam: Ho Chi Minh City Environmental Sanitation Project [Additional Financing]
$90 million to build a 335 km drainage system from the city's business center to control annual flooding and increase the collection of wastewater in an environmentally and financially sustainable manner. Together with dredging of canals and embankments, it will provide flood relief to 240,000 households, prevent infrastructure damage - currently estimated at US$ 78 million annually - while reducing public health risks. More than one million people will benefit. Read More
 
Approved
Vietnam: Red River Delta Rural Water Supply and Sanitation Project [Additional Financing]
$65 million to build infrastructure for sanitation and water supply that will benefit 800,000 people. It will also support hygiene behavior change in the 120 targeted communities while helping the government build capacity for sustainable rural water supply schemes, with tariffs set at a level sufficient to cover operations, maintenance and debt service. Read More
 
Approved
Vietnam: First Power Sector Reform Development Policy Loan
$312 million for four main policy areas essential to the reform of Vietnam's power sector: development of a competitive power market by reducing the existing monopoly, power sector restructuring to offer customers more choice in services, electricity tariff reform to attract new investors and improving energy efficiency. Read More
 
Approved
Solomon Islands: Telecommunications and ICT Development Project
 $3.25 million to facilitate increased access to a wide variety of reliable and affordable telecommunications services for the majority of the Solomon Islands population through efficient and well-regulated competition. The project will support the development of a new Telecommunications Commission designed to promote good governance in the sector, and will pave the way for more widespread application of information communication technologies supporting economic and social development, including greater opportunities for women. Read More
 
For more information on the East Asia and Pacific region... 
 
  
Europe and Central Asia
 
Approved
Bosnia and Herzegovina: First Programmatic Public Expenditure Development Policy Operation
$111 million to help mitigate the impact of the economic crisis. The program will provide budget support to accelerate the implementation of priority public expenditure reforms including social assistance to the poor, improving the structure and efficiency of public expenditures; and enhancing private sector competitiveness. Read More
 
Approved
Croatia: Justice Sector Support Project
$36.3 million to further improve the efficiency of Croatia's justice system - a necessary process in Croatia's path towards successful European Union accession. The Justice Sector Support Project will support the implementation of key reform legislation related to the modernization and upgrading of the capacity of three key elements of Croatia's justice system: the courts, the prosecution, and the Ministry of Justice. Read More
 
For more information on the Europe and Central Asia region... 
 
  
Latin America and the Caribbean
 
Approved
Brazil: Second Minas Gerais Development Partnership Project (Additional Financing)
$461 million for an innovative, results-based public sector reform program in Minas Gerais, which resulted in significant improvements in the services provided by the state. The loan contributes to move forward an agenda focused on achieving specific results such as improved student test scores, reduced levels of child mortality and increased road quality. Budgets are therefore assigned according to pre-established targets. Read More
 
Approved
Argentina: Road Safety Project
$30 million to reduce the number and seriousness of traffic accidents in Argentina's road system, a South American country that registers a death rate from traffic accidents of 18.7 per 100,000 inhabitants, one of the highest in the region. The project will strengthen the institutional framework and management capacity for road safety and the reduction of road crashes in selected pilot corridors. Read More
 
For more information on the Latin America and the Caribbean region... 
 
 
Middle East and North Africa
 
Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative Workshop in Yemen
More than 45 representatives from civil society, government and the private sector gathered to share their experiences with the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative (EITI). The World Bank, a co-organizer of the workshop, has supported the EITI process in Yemen since 2008 through technical assistance to the Ministry of Oil and Minerals and a multi-donor trust fund for training and capacity building efforts, as well as an EITI reconciliation audit. Read More
 
For more information on the Middle East and North Africa region...
 
 
South Asia
 
For more information on the South Asia region
 
 
 
India's Tuberculosis Program Provides Hope to Millions
Tuberculosis (TB) is India's leading cause of adult illness and death from a communicable disease. In 1993, the Indian government began to treat TB patients with the World Health Organization-recommended Directly Observed Treatment Short-course (DOTS).The first World Bank credit (1997- 2005) allowed rapid expansion of the DOTS strategy throughout the country. By providing free services through public or non-public institutions, the project ensured that the diagnosis and treatment of TB was available to all citizens regardless of their economic status. Between 1997 and 2008, more than 9.5 million people suffering from TB were diagnosed and placed on treatment, thus saving more than 1.7 million additional lives. Read More
 
In Latin America, Cash Transfers Protect the Most Vulnerable
A novel social protection tool is combating poverty and preventing its transmission across generations. Conditional cash transfer (CCT) programs, which offer qualifying families cash in exchange for commitments such as taking children to health clinics or keeping them in school, have reduced poverty rates, increased the use of health and education services, and created a critical social safety net for children. Currently, CCT programs benefit 93 million people, across Latin America and the Caribbean. Read More
 
Bulgaria's Living Standards Rise with EU Membership
In Bulgaria, more than 700,000 people have benefited from small social infrastructure improvements and services through the Social Investment and Employment Promotion Project since 2002. Improvements in revenue administration and strong economic growth contributed to an increase in tax and social contribution revenues by 4.6% of GDP between 2002 and 2008, the highest revenue gain among new EU member states. Turnaround times for registering a real estate transaction and mortgage were reduced to a single day from seven days. Read More
 
Jordan Prepares for a Global Knowledge Economy
Beginning in 2002, with support from the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD), the government of Jordan designed a comprehensive education strategy to and instituted reforms to capitalize on its strong record of education completion and adult literacy. Its reforms have strengthened education policy objectives and strategies, transformed education programs and practices, improved school buildings and learning environments, and enhanced equity in the poorer areas of the country. Today, 70 percent of Jordan's basic and secondary students have access to online learning portals. Read More
 
 
 
 
Regional Strategy & Program Director (Middle East and North Africa)
The Regional Strategy and Program Director position will allow the region to respond to this demand and support a concerted effort to ramp up regional activities in the new FY. The director would also manage a small unit which will launch regional strategic thinking and develop programs in close coordination with Sector Directors/Country Directors to ensure a solid pipeline of initiatives and allow forward-looking engagement with our clients. Read More
 
 
 
 
Africa Can Meet the MDGs
Shanta Devarajan, World Bank Chief Economist for Africa,  argues that Africa can meet the Millennium Development Goals, if not by 2015, then soon thereafter. Although most African countries are off-track on most of the MDGs, Africa has, since the mid-1990s, arguably been making the greatest progress towards the goals. Read More
 
The Economy Slumbers as Power Eludes Bangladesh
In Bangladesh, failure to invest enough in power generation while the rest of the economy boomed has now become the Achilles' heel of the economy, says Zahid Hussain, senior economist in the Bank's South Asia Finance and Poverty group. Read More
 
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 IN DEPTH
 
Financial Crisis: Rethinking Globalization After the Crisis

The World Bank Institute-sponsored Development Debates series recently tackled the topic of "Rethinking Globalization After the Crisis," asking experts from five African countries to comment on Africa's export competitiveness. Find out more about this debate, watch interviews with Bank experts, and keep track of the crisis with an interactive financial crisis timeline. Read More


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2010 is International Year of Biodiversity
This year is an opportunity to celebrate biodiversity, learn more about it, and reduce biodiversity loss resulting from human activities. Youthink! is focusing on biodiversity, with a story on life on earth, a slideshow on biodiversity and poverty reduction, and answers to rarely asked questions such as "Who are charismatic species?" Read More
 
 
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