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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2464 INVITATION TO INTERACTIVE TALK ON EARTH DAY April 22nd by Prof Arun Deep Ahluwalia on " PEACE,GEOHERITAGE & GLOBAL WARMING-NEW PERSPECTIVES" - 22nd April at Govt Museum Sector 10 11.30am

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Prof. Arun Deep Ahluwalia, speaker of EARTH DAY's Young Round Square Conference (Asia and Gulf Region) in Govt Museum Interactive session ( jointly organised by Directorate of Govt Museum & Art Gallery and  & LAWRENCE SCHOOL, SANAWAR, Himachal Pradesh) is at Panjab University as Environment Outreach Incharge; Professor of Geology & Research Scientist PURSE Project.
 
He was till last year CHAIRMAN & HEAD,Geology Dept; Director, Centre of Advanced Studies in Geology; Co-ordinator SAP; Panjab University,Chandigarh,India. Prior to his coming to university in 1982 he was Geologist with Geological SSurvey of India.
 
He is also EMERITUS GEOLOGIST-ENVIRONMENTALIST, PLANET EARTH CENTRE, Govt Museum Natural History & B.S.M & Centre of Performing and Visual Arts, Chandigarh,India (http://www.environmentplanetearth.com/);


He has been a Member US National Committee & Ex Visiting Scholar, Geology Dept, University of Cincinnati,OHIO,USA; OUTREACH PROGRAM COMMITTEE(OPC), International Year of Planet Earth (IYPE); EARTHSCIENCES OUTREACH VOLUNTEER OF INTERNATIONAL YEAR OF PLANET EARTH(IYPE) OF UNESCO.
 
He has travelled widely as an academic  guest and speaker from Canberra to Nevada across the world .He has been a- i) a Visiting Scholar at Geological Institute, ETH, Zurich, Switzerland and in Geology Department, Cincinnati University (OHIO); ii) guest speaker in ANU Canberra; Charles University, Prague; Lund University, Sweden; Aberystwyth, Bristol, Glasgow, Oxford Universities in UK; Universities at Cincinnati, Penn State, Dayton, Nevada, USA; iii) a guest geologist in Czech Republic, France, Germany, Russia, Kazakhstan, Italy, Nepal, Norway, Tunisia, Pakistan etc and BGS, Nottingham, Solothurn & Kanton Jura Switzerland.

 

He is also busy undertaking earth and environment outreach activities  in the region on behalf of Panjab University and Govt Museum. He can be described as a devoted missionary of earth and environmental sciences working at the thin boundary line between a university and various schools. He is a passionate communicator with a unique gift of gab through his colourful multimedia creations. 

He is also the Chief Consultant (Research) to Geoparks and Museums Projects of Gujarat Government. Together with Govt Museum he is undertaking similar ventures with Himachal Government for promoting Geotourism to the region.

 

Dr Ahluwalia is actively associated with several schools, colleges, universities and environment organizations/NGOs in propagation of peace in society for safe and sustainable living on the Planet Earth with proper and optimum use of geosciences. He feels geosciences has been underused across the planet especially in India and South Asia and no country can ever be a developed country by ignoring its geosciences and geoheritage.

 

He is of the opinion that through collaborative conservation and education geo heritage of the planet can be enjoyed and ecomincally harnessed across our borders leading to trremendous commerical growth. This pursuit according to himis a sure shot panacea to promoting peace in the world as it is impossible undersuch a geopoliical scenario for any neighbouring countries to fight wars.

 

Himalayan ecology sharing nations in south Asia if once they take to harnessing their natural resources and geoheriatage & geotourism potential across borders, peace is going to be permanent and forever. War would be out of fashion and unthinkable.

 
Dr AD Ahluwalia

 




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Member US National Committee & Ex Visiting Scholar, Geology Dept, University of Cincinnati,OHIO,USA;
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2464 The Eyjafjallajokull eruption -an update

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Breathtaking: Photographer Martin Rietze got to within 250 metres of the lava fountains to capture his stunning series of images
Photographer Martin Rietze got to within 250 metres of the lava fountains to capture his stunning series of images
Lava hits the sea from the volcanic eruption between the Myrdalsjokull and Eyjafjallajokull glaciers, east of Iceland's capital Reykjavik
Lava hits the sea from the volcanic eruption between the Myrdalsjokull and Eyjafjallajokull glaciers, east of Iceland's capital Reykjavik
 Lava flow from the fissure down the Hrunagil valley,
 Lava flow from the fissure down the Hrunagil valley,
Only around an hour old, this lavaflow is falling from a steep cliff a few hundred metres from the main eruption
 
volcanic eruption at the Fimmvorduhals volcano near the Eyjafjallajokull glacier
Lava spurts out of the site of a volcanic eruption at the Fimmvorduhals volcano near the Eyjafjallajokull glacier
ash
Close-up: The dark cloud of smoke coming from the Icelandic crater as seen by an Icelandic Coast Guard helicopter

The plume from the Icelandic volcano - seen as a grey-brown streak drifting across the middle of the image - is visible from space. It was imaged by the Modis instruments on two Nasa satellites as it blew towards the Shetland Islands
ash
Coating: Researchers at Sheffield Hallam University collected these particles of volcanic ash (seen here under a microscope) which fell on cars in the centre's grounds earlier today
Ice chunks carried downstream by floodwaters caused by volcanic activity lie on the Markarfljot river bank
Frozen: Ice chunks carried downstream by floodwaters caused by volcanic activity lie on the Markarfljot riverbank in Iceland yesterday
A car in Iceland drives through the ash from the volcano
Dusty: A car in Iceland drives through the ash from the volcano
Iceland volcano
Widespread: Ash from the erupting volcano sweeps in an arc across the Netherlands, Germany, Poland, and Russia in this image from NASA yesterday
 A satellite image of the volcano under the Eyjafjallajokull glacier in Iceland
Spectacular: A satellite image of the volcano under the Eyjafjallajokull glacier in Iceland
 
Iceland
 
A man surveys what is left of the main Icelandic coastal road after it was washed away by flood water following the volcano eruption
 
Iceland
 
Around 800 people have had to be evacuated and 70 tourists were rescued after they were trapped by the rising flood waters
 
volcano eruption
Spectacular: Plumes of smoke shoot up from a volcano under the Eyjafjallajokull glacier in Iceland today which has erupted for the first time in 200 years
Iceland
The Eyjafjallajokull eruption is the second in less than a month and has seen hundreds of international flights cancelled
Iceland
Workers have been forced to smash holes through roads in Iceland to allow the surging flood water to escape out to sea
Iceland
Part of the glacier has melted under the ferocious temperatures causing the flood swell to pour down the mountain
Iceland
Experts are concerned the recent eruption could trigger another more powerful one from the nearby Katla volcano
Iceland eruption
The eruption has caused travel disruption across Europe as airspace has been shut down
 
 
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alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots - 25 new messages in 7 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* The Best Cover Song Ever!! Ty Mr. Johny Cash! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/d83c2e85d4a4fb24?hl=en
* Tory Holt - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/c702ecae784377c4?hl=en
* Goodbye Ben Rottenburger, Steelers reacquire QB Byron Leftwich - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/84e266915567e5b0?hl=en
* Obama Care For Pets - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/efd6792d0923712d?hl=en
* Ben Roethlisberger suspended six games - 7 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/a60323b5171c04f5?hl=en
* Rothlessberger gets 6 games - 8 messages, 7 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/1dce11a87fc1cd00?hl=en
* SIX - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/174cc4cde23a4142?hl=en

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TOPIC: The Best Cover Song Ever!! Ty Mr. Johny Cash!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/d83c2e85d4a4fb24?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 7:21 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


Even you Libtards can't argue with this!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go&NR=1

mr dude (RIP Johny Cash)


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 5:38 am
From: Smithee


On Apr 20, 10:21 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
<foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Even you Libtards can't argue with this!!!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go&NR=1
>
> mr dude (RIP Johny Cash)

Seriously, Trent Reznor said that hearing that version justified his
career in music. The NIN web site went completely black the day he
died.

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TOPIC: Tory Holt
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/c702ecae784377c4?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:45 am
From: "Remy McSwain"


In news:hql36h$p42$1@news.eternal-september.org,
Ron W. <ronchamp1@comcast.net> wrote:
> Patriots today signed Fa Tory Holt. Holt, who is 34, played the
> bulk of his career with the Rams, and recently with the Jaguars.
> He WAS a star with the Rams, and caught 50 passes last year,
> with a 14 yd avg. This tells me that the Pats are not going to
> draft a top
> receiver. Keep on going on the cheap, Bill!

It tells me no such thing. BB is infamous for loading up at any
position where he thinks it could help the team. Unless this guy
signed for lots of guarenteed money, I just think he wants t see
what he's got left in the tank.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:02 am
From: NK


On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:45:02 -0400, "Remy McSwain"
<Paradis70080@gmail.com> wrote:

>In news:hql36h$p42$1@news.eternal-september.org,
>Ron W. <ronchamp1@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Patriots today signed Fa Tory Holt. Holt, who is 34, played the
>> bulk of his career with the Rams, and recently with the Jaguars.
>> He WAS a star with the Rams, and caught 50 passes last year,
>> with a 14 yd avg. This tells me that the Pats are not going to
>> draft a top
>> receiver. Keep on going on the cheap, Bill!
>
>It tells me no such thing. BB is infamous for loading up at any
>position where he thinks it could help the team. Unless this guy
>signed for lots of guarenteed money, I just think he wants t see
>what he's got left in the tank.

And, the notion that the Pats do things "on the cheap" is nonsense.
They always spend to within tickling distance of the cap, and you
*have* to go into a season with some cap space, otherwise it's tough
to pick up quality players when your signed players go down with
season ending injuries.

--
NK


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 6:48 am
From: "Remy McSwain"


In news:vbmts51vn8eddh7p6mppvi0tmui96j91uv@4ax.com,
NK <NK> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:45:02 -0400, "Remy McSwain"
> <Paradis70080@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In news:hql36h$p42$1@news.eternal-september.org,
>> Ron W. <ronchamp1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Patriots today signed Fa Tory Holt. Holt, who is 34, played the
>>> bulk of his career with the Rams, and recently with the
>>> Jaguars. He WAS a star with the Rams, and caught 50 passes
>>> last year, with a 14 yd avg. This tells me that the Pats are
>>> not going to draft a top
>>> receiver. Keep on going on the cheap, Bill!
>>
>> It tells me no such thing. BB is infamous for loading up at any
>> position where he thinks it could help the team. Unless this
>> guy signed for lots of guarenteed money, I just think he wants
>> t see what he's got left in the tank.
>
> And, the notion that the Pats do things "on the cheap" is
> nonsense. They always spend to within tickling distance of the
> cap, and you *have* to go into a season with some cap space,
> otherwise it's tough to pick up quality players when your signed
> players go down with season ending injuries.

I fully agree. This whole "Kraft is cheap" thing is born of
ignorance about how the cap works, and of how the Pats have always
spent all available money on players. I think they've mis-spent
some of the available money in recent years, and I think it's a myth
that the Pats have been great personnel decision makers. BB and
Pioli had a couple of great personnel years when they first arrived,
but since then, the drafts have been well below par, and there've
been a whole host of FA mistakes.

But the charge of cheap is simply nonsense.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 12:05 pm
From: "Ron W."


"Remy McSwain" <Paradis70080@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:RqudndZ13rKGn1LWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> In news:vbmts51vn8eddh7p6mppvi0tmui96j91uv@4ax.com,
> NK <NK> wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:45:02 -0400, "Remy McSwain"
>> <Paradis70080@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In news:hql36h$p42$1@news.eternal-september.org,
>>> Ron W. <ronchamp1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Patriots today signed Fa Tory Holt. Holt, who is 34, played the
>>>> bulk of his career with the Rams, and recently with the
>>>> Jaguars. He WAS a star with the Rams, and caught 50 passes
>>>> last year, with a 14 yd avg. This tells me that the Pats are
>>>> not going to draft a top
>>>> receiver. Keep on going on the cheap, Bill!
>>>
>>> It tells me no such thing. BB is infamous for loading up at any
>>> position where he thinks it could help the team. Unless this
>>> guy signed for lots of guarenteed money, I just think he wants
>>> t see what he's got left in the tank.
>>
>> And, the notion that the Pats do things "on the cheap" is
>> nonsense. They always spend to within tickling distance of the
>> cap, and you *have* to go into a season with some cap space,
>> otherwise it's tough to pick up quality players when your signed
>> players go down with season ending injuries.
>
> I fully agree. This whole "Kraft is cheap" thing is born of ignorance
> about how the cap works, and of how the Pats have always spent all
> available money on players. I think they've mis-spent some of the
> available money in recent years, and I think it's a myth that the Pats
> have been great personnel decision makers. BB and Pioli had a couple of
> great personnel years when they first arrived, but since then, the drafts
> have been well below par, and there've been a whole host of FA mistakes.
>
> But the charge of cheap is simply nonsense.


I constantly hear on the radio talk shows that the Pats are 8 mil under the
cap. There has to be SOME truth to all this.
>
>

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TOPIC: Goodbye Ben Rottenburger, Steelers reacquire QB Byron Leftwich
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/84e266915567e5b0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 6:03 am
From: james


On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:00:40 +0000 (UTC), Rapist News
<steeler-rapist@steelers.com> wrote:

|http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_14922508
|
|PITTSBURGH—The Steelers reacquired quarterback Byron Leftwich by dealing a
|seventh-round draft pick to Tampa Bay, a sign they expect Ben
|Roethlisberger to be suspended for the start of the season.
|Leftwich backed up Roethlisberger in 2008, when the Steelers won the Super
|Bowl. He knows offensive coordinator Bruce Arians' system and could be
|ready to play Sept. 12 when the Steelers open against Atlanta.
|
|The Steelers play three teams that didn't make the playoffs—the Falcons,
|Bucs and Titans—plus division rival Baltimore in their first four games, a
|period that could span any Roethlisberger suspension.
|
|Pittsburgh already has third-year quarterback Dennis Dixon and longtime
|backup Charlie Batch under contract. Batch has been injured each of the
|past two seasons. Dixon has started only one NFL game.
|
|The Steelers could learn as early as Wednesday if Roethlisberger will be
|suspended for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy.
|

Admirable trade? leftwich for Ben?

james

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TOPIC: Obama Care For Pets
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/efd6792d0923712d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 9:35 am
From: Not Sure


On Apr 20, 9:34 am, clouddreamer <Reuse.Recy...@Reduce.now> wrote:
> Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> > "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu" <foster...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:527b56ba-134c-42d3-95ed-ed9f6a4a9fd0@c27g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Apr 19, 7:56 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
> > september.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> So Obama is the President of England now?
>
> > You obviously missed the correlation. Obama Care is designed upon the
> > British plan.
>
> > If you can't add 2 and 2 I will gladly buy you an abacus.
>
> > mr dude
> > =========================
>
> > That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. If you made that correlation to
> > begin with I will gladly buy you an session at your local public mental
> > health center for review of substantial delusions.
>
> Actually, it's more of a correlation to what had existed in the US. If
> you can't afford insurance or an operation that can save your life, you
> were sent home to die. Use up your lifetime limit, you die. Develop a
> "pre-existing" condition and you die waiting for appeal after appeal.

Wait for a doctor for a year, and you die. That's not just a
description of the joke of a healthcare system in your joke of a
country, but an actual instruction.

>
> Seems Mr. Dude continues to live in denial. The new system will make it
> harder for insurance to send you home to die.
>
>   ..
>
> --
> We must change the way we live
>         Or the climate will do it for us.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 6:39 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Apr 21, 12:35 pm, Not Sure <fred1321...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Wait for a doctor for a year, and you die. That's not just a
> description of the joke of a healthcare system in your joke of a
> country, but an actual instruction.


You're just angry because your "free" health care does not cover
asshole bleaching.

mr dude

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TOPIC: Ben Roethlisberger suspended six games
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 11:14 am
From: 788@gmail.com


http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36690098/ns/sports-nfl/


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 11:24 am
From: 788@gmail.com


On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:14:19 -0400, 788@gmail.com wrote:

>http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36690098/ns/sports-nfl/

This raises some questions for me:

1. He is suspended six games, does that mean six regular season games
or four preseason games and two regular season games?

2. How can he be suspended when there was no criminal conviction?
Doesn't there have to be a conviction before a supsension?


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 11:41 am
From: clouddreamer


788@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:14:19 -0400, 788@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36690098/ns/sports-nfl/
>
> This raises some questions for me:
>
> 1. He is suspended six games, does that mean six regular season games
> or four preseason games and two regular season games?
>
> 2. How can he be suspended when there was no criminal conviction?
> Doesn't there have to be a conviction before a supsension?

He doesn't have to be convicted. His conduct was enough to convince the
higher echelons that he needed a good slap in the face.

..

--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 12:57 pm
From: Smithee


On Apr 21, 2:24 pm, 7...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:14:19 -0400, 7...@gmail.com wrote:
> >http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36690098/ns/sports-nfl/
>
> This raises some questions for me:
>
> 1.  He is suspended six games, does that mean six regular season games
> or four preseason games and two regular season games?
>
> 2.  How can he be suspended when there was no criminal conviction?  
> Doesn't there have to be a conviction before a supsension?

Answers:

1. No, it's the first six games of the season.

2. Anybody can be suspended for any reason if they violate the
league's policy on personal conduct, which he obviously did.
Additionally, this guy is a serial offender -- regardless of whether
or not the DA thought he had enough hard evidence (and the victim,
realizing the hell that she would be put through by Roethlisberger's
lawyer and the media, asked him not to prosecute), I don't think there
is anybody in the world who doesn't know what actually happened that
night. Roethlisberger is pure slime, even Steelers fans are disgusted
by him, and that is saying something.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 2:41 pm
From: 788@gmail.com


On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:11:54 -0230, clouddreamer
<Reuse.Recycle@Reduce.now> wrote:

>788@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:14:19 -0400, 788@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36690098/ns/sports-nfl/
>>
>> This raises some questions for me:
>>
>> 1. He is suspended six games, does that mean six regular season games
>> or four preseason games and two regular season games?
>>
>> 2. How can he be suspended when there was no criminal conviction?
>> Doesn't there have to be a conviction before a supsension?
>
>He doesn't have to be convicted. His conduct was enough to convince the
>higher echelons that he needed a good slap in the face.
>
> ..
So what happens if the allegations turn out to be false?.


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 2:43 pm
From: 788@gmail.com


On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT), Smithee
<ssmith2010@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 21, 2:24 pm, 7...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:14:19 -0400, 7...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36690098/ns/sports-nfl/
>>
>> This raises some questions for me:
>>
>> 1.  He is suspended six games, does that mean six regular season games
>> or four preseason games and two regular season games?
>>
>> 2.  How can he be suspended when there was no criminal conviction?  
>> Doesn't there have to be a conviction before a supsension?
>
>Answers:
>
>1. No, it's the first six games of the season.

So to clarify you mean after the pre-season?

>
>2. Anybody can be suspended for any reason if they violate the
>league's policy on personal conduct, which he obviously did.
If you believe the accuser who isn't pressing charges.

>Additionally, this guy is a serial offender -- regardless of whether
>or not the DA thought he had enough hard evidence (and the victim,
>realizing the hell that she would be put through by Roethlisberger's
>lawyer and the media, asked him not to prosecute), I don't think there
>is anybody in the world who doesn't know what actually happened that
>night. Roethlisberger is pure slime, even Steelers fans are disgusted
>by him, and that is saying something.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 2:54 pm
From: clouddreamer


788@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:11:54 -0230, clouddreamer
> <Reuse.Recycle@Reduce.now> wrote:
>
>> 788@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:14:19 -0400, 788@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36690098/ns/sports-nfl/
>>> This raises some questions for me:
>>>
>>> 1. He is suspended six games, does that mean six regular season games
>>> or four preseason games and two regular season games?
>>>
>>> 2. How can he be suspended when there was no criminal conviction?
>>> Doesn't there have to be a conviction before a supsension?
>> He doesn't have to be convicted. His conduct was enough to convince the
>> higher echelons that he needed a good slap in the face.
>>
>> ..
> So what happens if the allegations turn out to be false?.


Since charges are not being laid, the details of that night became
public record. His witnessed conduct on the night in question was more
than enough to warrant disciplinary action.

..

--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us.

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 11:32 am
From: "Ray OHara"


alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension from
the NFL.

this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 11:40 am
From: Michael


On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension from
> the NFL.
>
> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.

i wonder if the steelers are going to cut him loose. i think there is
a good chance that might happen.


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 12:52 pm
From: Smithee


On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension from
> the NFL.
>
> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.

The guy is lowest of the low, the scum of the earth.


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:01 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1b6862bc-052f-4a69-bfb5-3cc9aa4e4f7c@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension from
> the NFL.
>
> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.

i wonder if the steelers are going to cut him loose. i think there is
a good chance that might happen.

This is not like losing a DE, or even a WR from a team...not where you
usually have someone else who can step in and run things and you can work
your schemes to adjust...when your starting QB is MIA...at the beginning of
the season??????? You need to look elsewhere for leadership. AFAIC, Ben
can go play some pick up ball in a beer league, or coach powder puff
ball...he'll be fine there. LOL, can you imagine Ben coaching in the
Lingerie League?


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:26 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Apr 21, 2:40 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension from
> > the NFL.
>
> > this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
>
> i wonder if the steelers are going to cut him loose.  i think there is
> a good chance that might happen.

I think that would be pretty dumb of them to do that. It is unlikely
they find another QB as good as he is,


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:24 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 21, 4:26 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 2:40 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension from
> > > the NFL.
>
> > > this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
>
> > i wonder if the steelers are going to cut him loose.  i think there is
> > a good chance that might happen.
>
> I think that would be pretty dumb of them to do that. It is unlikely
> they find another QB as good as he is,

Glenn... Do you know what is going on ??? Steelers fans are sending
Roethlisberger jerseys and mechandise return receipt to the Rooneys.
Hate mail by rote. Season ticket holders have cancelld orders. Many
commentarots who know pro ball and get inside info are all saying that
the stuff we know is just the tip of the iceberg as far as Ben's
missadventures. They are saying that the Steelers did try to work
with him and give him behavioral rehab to no avail. At the moment,
the all the stuff is coming out in the open, but he's been causing
problems for a long time. Right now, for the health of the Steelers,
the best move is to get rid of him asap. The fans want him with a
rope around his neck. He's toast in Steelerland.


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 5:26 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <hqngbn$on9$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Ray OHara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:

> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension from
> the NFL.
>
> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.

Ray, what I like about your post is that it admits the reason for the
suspension. In the no fun league, being guilty enough to be indicted is
not necessary.

I drank when underage. I probably served booze to girls who were
sloshed. If I could of and they would have I probably would have.

The bogus thing about this suspension is that many of us would buy
drinks for a pretty girl in a bar and none of us would card her.

So the behavior except for the alleged rape is nothing to complain about.

That is why your subject line is so true. Alleged.

While I never went in a girls bathroom and did the deed, it seems wierd
that there was not enough DNA to warrant taking any.

Having the DA submit her testimony to the press after deciding not to
press charges, having her not scream out and have witnesses, not press
charges in the bar, seems like slander since it was not given in a
public forum, under oath, facing a witness.

This whole thing stinks.

h


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 6:30 pm
From: Copp


In article <ac22cfd9-50ef-474c-af47-2bcd329d591d@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Apr 21, 2:40=A0pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Apr 21, 2:32=A0pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension f=
> rom
> > > the NFL.
> >
> > > this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
> >
> > i wonder if the steelers are going to cut him loose. =A0i think there is
> > a good chance that might happen.
>
> I think that would be pretty dumb of them to do that. It is unlikely
> they find another QB as good as he is,

Not if they think it's less unlikely he will end up in jail.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/tag/_/name/ben-roethlisberger-suspension-2010

"The Buffalo Bills and San Francisco 49ers need quarterbacks, too. What about them?


According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Pittsburgh Steelers have shopped Roethlisberger
to all of the above.

The idea of trading Roethlisberger has gained a lot of steam with the NFL draft just
one day away. When asked about it on a conference call Wednesday, Steelers president
Art Rooney II avoided the topic.

"We really can't answer any questions about trades, particularly this time of year,"
Rooney said. "


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:26 pm
From: "RävNsfän ®"


"Strickland" <ur@slack.er> wrote in message
news:hqnce501ifm@drn.newsguy.com...
>I am not saying that I approve of anything the Ben might have done or
>did,,,,
> but 6 game suspension is way to harsh to the team and the fans of the
> STEELERS...

Bullshit! Goodell doesn't have to consider the STEELERS or their fans. The
Pittsperv Feeler is the one who is responsible for his own actions and
should have considered "his team" and "his fans" before engaging in conduct
that violates the NFL Code Of Conduct. And remember he did it twice, ...not
just once. I predicted 2-4 and he will wind up being suspended for just four
of the six games after Benji takes advantage of the back door they built in
to that 6 week suspension.

It could have been worse with an 8 week suspension, so instead of chastising
Goodell you should offer to kiss his ass. Thanks to Goodell Benji will be
back for the Ravens at sPlittsburgh.

Drew ~
RävNsfän ®

"...I'm sending him (RävNsfän ®) to the kill file,
I suggest the rest of you do the same".
*Strickland* - April 15, 2009

"...I guess I'll go back to my previous habit
of just ignoring your (RävNsfän ®) posts..."
*Rocky* (the nutless squirrel) - Feb 23, 2010


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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 12:08 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Apr 20, 11:38 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <tb60a7-eu5....@donald.homeip.net>,
>  Betty Munro <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > > I myself am an unfeeling robot monster,
>
> > Triathlete terminator.
>
> Hey, dude, they're totally not human. I'm supposed to feel pity?

There's no need for a triathlete terminator. Just
wait long enough and they'll all crash themselves out.

Fredmaster Ben


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:21 am
From: Betty Munro


Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> There's no need for a triathlete terminator. Just
> wait long enough and they'll all crash themselves out.

So triathletes are proof for intelligent (or stupid) design or just
another manifestation of the peacock tail ?


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:15 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Fredmaster of Brainerd" <bjweiner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:81f2dd0a-756d-4caa-bb24-04fd453302d7@s15g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 20, 11:38 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <tb60a7-eu5....@donald.homeip.net>,
> Betty Munro <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > > I myself am an unfeeling robot monster,
>
> > Triathlete terminator.
>
> Hey, dude, they're totally not human. I'm supposed to feel pity?
===============
There's no need for a triathlete terminator. Just
wait long enough and they'll all crash themselves out.

Fredmaster Ben
===============

No lie. A very good customer of mine "disappeared" for five months. I
actually mentioned at home that we hadn't seen her, hoped she was ok or that
we didn't do something bad that sent her to another shop. Next day she comes
in, says she spent 40 days in a hospital in OZ in September after a tri
event there in which she was run into from behind by a pack of guys. This is
a non-drafting event. She's just now more-or-less back on her feet.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:39 pm
From: ChiefScout


On Apr 21, 4:15 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "Fredmaster of Brainerd" <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:81f2dd0a-756d-4caa-bb24-04fd453302d7@s15g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 20, 11:38 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:> In article <tb60a7-eu5....@donald.homeip.net>,
> > Betty Munro <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> > > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > > > I myself am an unfeeling robot monster,
>
> > > Triathlete terminator.
>
> > Hey, dude, they're totally not human. I'm supposed to feel pity?
>
> ===============
> There's no need for a triathlete terminator.  Just
>  wait long enough and they'll all crash themselves out.
>
> Fredmaster  Ben
> ===============
>
> No lie. A very good customer of mine "disappeared" for five months. I
> actually mentioned at home that we hadn't seen her, hoped she was ok or that
> we didn't do something bad that sent her to another shop. Next day she comes
> in, says she spent 40 days in a hospital in OZ in September after a tri
> event there in which she was run into from behind by a pack of guys. This is
> a non-drafting event. She's just now more-or-less back on her feet.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

I do duathlons (don't like swimming). Unlike most, I know I can't
ride in a pack. Last year I was at a race in which the road was very
narrow. There was no way you could not draft as everyone bunched up
and we had a real peloton going. Nice because it was my fastest bike
time ever!

However, the stupid tri-dudes actually rode on their aerobars while in
this big crowd. It was unbelievable! I stayed off to the side (and
off the bars!) and motored my way through the pack as quickly as I
could because I was convinced one of those idiots would touch a wheel
and they would be down in no time. Pretty sure there were no
accidents but I can see why you pros have such a poor regard for
triathlete bike handling skills.

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== 1 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:19 am
From: Betty Munro


Anton Berlin wrote:
> You are 100% right. it's basically a sham to collect money

ISO and the protour have something in common.


== 2 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:24 am
From: Betty Munro


Scott wrote:
> Yeah, we have other sorts of delusions...

I can assure you chicks dig us.


== 3 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 5:02 am
From: "Barry Taylor"

"Tom Kunich" <tkunich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:IPqdnRKmK4AM1lPWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> "Steve Freides" <steve@kbnj.com> wrote in message
> news:836vlmFeqfU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> Anyone who wants lighter and doesn't start by dropping bodyweight has a
>> serious lack of understanding of basic math. Let's see, what's heavier,
>> a pound of bicycle or a pound of bodyfat?
>
lotsa stuff snipped %<

>> I settled on 172.5 even though all the formulas put me
>> between 165 and 170 - go figure. Same thing for bar width, bar reach,
>> etc., just kept trying things, all cheap/used, until I figured out what I
>> liked.
>
> I had the same problem and ended up with the same 172.5.
>
thanks for that...

now I know why I keep getting the two of you confused with each other

mind you it's hard to discriminate from down under
all you Freds up there look the same to me :-}

~~~ ~ _@
~~ ~ _- \,
~~ (*)/ (*) . . . bjbear on his treadly

== 4 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 5:53 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org


On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:42:15 -0700 (PDT), "hargow20@yahoo.com"
<hargow20@yahoo.com> wrote:

>A lot of the riders are sold on the high-tech factor appeal. Your
>average salesperson has no idea what the tensile strength of a carbon
>fiber frame vs titanium or steel etc

They don't need to. The three or four bike shops I go to have
salespeople that know that some frames are stupid light and tell you
that, especially if you weigh north of 250. They tell you everything
you need to know, as long as you are straight with them how you are
going to use the bike. And if you choose not to hear or to pretend
your weight isn't what it is, they pretty much have to sell you a bike
you should not be riding, but that isn't something to blame on the
salesperson or the bike or the manufacturer.

In the end, it isn't that the person couldn't choose a bike, its that
they chose a poor bike shop or chose to ignore what they were told.

The first would make any associated warnings about frames or forks
irrelevant IMO. Salespeople that are only interested in making a sale
will talk right through the warnings. The second is even more
pervasive and there is nothing to be done with it.

Frankly, I think that most markets have pretty good, if not perfect,
information and most people are buying after deciding that the known
risks do not apply to them or the risk is worth taking for the result
expected. Fattie masters do nothing BUT talk about equipment and (in
this area) go from bike shop to bike shop until thrown out. They
aren't information deprived unless they decide to avoid the bike shops
that tell them what they don't want to hear. A conscious choice.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...


== 5 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 6:05 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org


On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:04:49 -0700 (PDT), "hargow20@yahoo.com"
<hargow20@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In the 80's most of the frames steel and of similar materials. Some of
>the pro's rode on custom Masi's. But let's remember that almost all of
>the bike companies had custom frame departments.

Two words: bonded aluminum. We had bonded aluminum frames and bonded
aluminum forks and pros raced on them in the 1980s. And we had long
conversations about how could a powerful sprinter like Kelly ride a
Vitus frame at full gallop and when a local strong sprinter did it,
the thing flexed like a swami. People bought stupid light BA frames
and some fell apart (I think Vitus was the lightest frame at the time
and a frame best suited for people under 160 pounds was sold to those
tall and over 180, even as large frame size exacerbated the main
problem).

Sure, they weren't the majority, but the majority of frames sold right
now aren't stupid light either.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...


== 6 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 7:31 am
From: "Tom Kunich"


"Barry Taylor" <taylorbj@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:hqmph8$52m$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au...
>
> thanks for that...
>
> now I know why I keep getting the two of you confused with each other

Also could be because you don't know how to read?

> mind you it's hard to discriminate from down under
> all you Freds up there look the same to me :-}

Standing on your head like that is hard on your perception.


== 7 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 7:33 am
From: Scott


On Apr 21, 12:31 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>  They assume that since Lance and
>
> > the other pros are riding this frame that it must be good. Until the
> > 80's and late 90's you could make a reasonable assumption that this
> > was true.
>
> I disagree strongly.  Almost every pro I knew in the 80s raced on
> custom frames and then were rebadged to appear to be (name any and
> every frame).

You mean that 7-11 replica Huffy I bought wasn't a good bike?


== 8 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 10:04 am
From: "Fred K. Gringioni"

<hargow20@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:d868b4b1-cb64-4ec4-abb2-


> A lot of the riders are sold on the high-tech factor appeal. Your
> average salesperson has no idea what the tensile strength of a carbon
> fiber frame vs titanium or steel etc.


Dumbass -

Even if you know that information, it wouldn't do you any good unless you
had a virtual (in a computer) model of the frame and could do a finite
element analysis.

thanks,

Fred. presented by Gringioni.

== 9 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 11:08 am
From: "Tom Kunich"


<curtis@the-md-russells.org> wrote in message
news:iftts5lctkrm4t7vgg9e1ib5elg5smrk5o@4ax.com...
>
> Sure, they weren't the majority, but the majority of frames sold right
> now aren't stupid light either.

The problem isn't "stupid light" but rather "very light" with layup
imperfections that can't be detected. Trek deals with such possible problems
by making the frame MUCH stronger than necessary so they aren't very light
frames and forks.

But the other companies are trying to gain business and a reputation by
selling very light to stupid light bikes and taking the chance of being sued
when someone is seriously injured as the frame or fork breaks due to
undetectable imperfections.

== 10 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 11:20 am
From: "Steve Freides"


Barry Taylor wrote:
> "Tom Kunich" <tkunich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:IPqdnRKmK4AM1lPWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> "Steve Freides" <steve@kbnj.com> wrote in message
>> news:836vlmFeqfU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> Anyone who wants lighter and doesn't start by dropping bodyweight
>>> has a serious lack of understanding of basic math. Let's see,
>>> what's heavier, a pound of bicycle or a pound of bodyfat?
>>
> lotsa stuff snipped %<
>
>>> I settled on 172.5 even though all the formulas
>>> put me between 165 and 170 - go figure. Same thing for bar width,
>>> bar reach, etc., just kept trying things, all cheap/used, until I
>>> figured out what I liked.
>>
>> I had the same problem and ended up with the same 172.5.
>>
> thanks for that...
>
> now I know why I keep getting the two of you confused with each other
>
> mind you it's hard to discriminate from down under
> all you Freds up there look the same to me :-}
>
> ~~~ ~ _@
> ~~ ~ _- \,
> ~~ (*)/ (*) . . . bjbear on his treadly

Yeah, but your toilets flush backwards, so who cares what you have to
say, anyway?

-S-


== 11 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:49 pm
From: Betty Munro


Tom Kunich wrote:
> But the other companies are trying to gain business and a reputation by
> selling very light to stupid light bikes and taking the chance of being
> sued when someone is seriously injured as the frame or fork breaks due
> to undetectable imperfections.

Please supply links to statistics on carbon frame failures versus other
materials if you expect us to believe it.

== 12 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 2:45 pm
From: --D-y


On Apr 21, 1:08 pm, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> <cur...@the-md-russells.org> wrote in message
>
> news:iftts5lctkrm4t7vgg9e1ib5elg5smrk5o@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > Sure, they weren't the majority, but the majority of frames sold right
> > now aren't stupid light either.
>
> The problem isn't "stupid light" but rather "very light" with layup
> imperfections that can't be detected. Trek deals with such possible problems
> by making the frame MUCH stronger than necessary so they aren't very light
> frames and forks.

Imperfections? OK. Nothing new; for instance, gaps in brazed joints of
"vintage steel" euro bikes, and bikes (your brand here) that were
known for breaking (your location here), likely due to overheating
during brazing and rushing cooling after braze.

My recollection (open to "co-rection") is that Trek pushed the Madone
to a new level of lightness three years or so ago, followed PDQ by
reports of the new Madones breaking as a result of crashes not thought
to be severe enough to break a cf frame.
I'm not "in the loop" and I heard of a couple of such Treks.

> But the other companies are trying to gain business and a reputation by
> selling very light to stupid light bikes and taking the chance of being sued
> when someone is seriously injured as the frame or fork breaks due to
> undetectable imperfections.

My advice is to buy a Crumpton. Nick is way ahead of the curve you're
alluding to and did his "too light" experiments with prototypes at
least a few years ago.

Hey, TK, this is that "competition in a free marketplace" all you
neocons laud to the moon. Lighter, lighter, lighter and cheaper, too!
More profits!!!
(How does it feel to be a crash tester?)
--D-y

== 13 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:56 pm
From: Henry


On Apr 21, 5:42 pm, "hargo...@yahoo.com" <hargo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 5:49 pm, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:836vlmFeqfU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > Anyone who wants lighter and doesn't start by dropping bodyweight has a
> > > serious lack of understanding of basic math.  Let's see, what's heavier, a
> > > pound of bicycle or a pound of bodyfat?
>
> A lot of the riders are sold on the high-tech factor appeal. Your
> average salesperson has no idea what the tensile strength of a carbon
> fiber frame vs titanium or steel etc. They assume that since Lance and
> the other pros are riding this frame that it must be good. Until the
> 80's and late 90's you could make a reasonable assumption that this
> was true. Part of the problem today is that the magazines do a very
> poor job of educating the consumer. They spend most of their time
> talking about how well the bike rides or the value. With composites
> it's harder to evaluate the construction. I would like to see them put
> bikes on testing machine and see how many cycles a frame will take
> before it cracks. So as a result you see riders spending $3000 and up
> and don't realize that one good crash will leave the bikes in pieces.
> I am very surprised that more consumers are not upset when this
> happens.
>
> > Nevertheless you find that the majority of top end cyclists around these
> > days are still fairly new and indeed they want light equipment rather than
> > taking weight off of their own bodies where it really matters.
>
> > > The purpose of spending $$$ on a bike, at least for me, was to get one
> > > that fit right.
>
> > Most of us can us stock frames and get a good fit.
>
> > > If I didn't have the fit problems, I'd be riding a stock frame.
>
> > And that's what I mean.
>
> > > I did the same thing, BTW, to determine crank length - I think all those
> > > formulas are for shit.  I put different sized cranks on, bought used, of
> > > course, and rode each for a few months.  I settled on 172.5 even though
> > > all the formulas put me between 165 and 170 - go figure.  Same thing for
> > > bar width, bar reach, etc., just kept trying things, all cheap/used, until
> > > I figured out what I liked.
>
> > I had the same problem and ended up with the same 172.5.
>
>

I don't read many magazines but I imagine that it's potentially very
bad for their advertising income if the subjected bicycles to the sort
of death-test you are suggesting ?
if brand A is shown to crack at position B compared to brand C ....
well .... what about consumer advocate organisations ?


== 14 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 5:12 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<5815f8fe-2045-4ca6-b884-413adcdf683b@z3g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
--D-y <dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote:

> On Apr 21, 1:08 pm, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > <cur...@the-md-russells.org> wrote in message
> >
> > news:iftts5lctkrm4t7vgg9e1ib5elg5smrk5o@4ax.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > Sure, they weren't the majority, but the majority of frames sold right
> > > now aren't stupid light either.
> >
> > The problem isn't "stupid light" but rather "very light" with layup
> > imperfections that can't be detected. Trek deals with such possible problems
> > by making the frame MUCH stronger than necessary so they aren't very light
> > frames and forks.
>
> Imperfections? OK. Nothing new; for instance, gaps in brazed joints of
> "vintage steel" euro bikes, and bikes (your brand here) that were
> known for breaking (your location here), likely due to overheating
> during brazing and rushing cooling after braze.
>
> My recollection (open to "co-rection") is that Trek pushed the Madone
> to a new level of lightness three years or so ago, followed PDQ by
> reports of the new Madones breaking as a result of crashes not thought
> to be severe enough to break a cf frame.
> I'm not "in the loop" and I heard of a couple of such Treks.
>
> > But the other companies are trying to gain business and a reputation by
> > selling very light to stupid light bikes and taking the chance of being sued
> > when someone is seriously injured as the frame or fork breaks due to
> > undetectable imperfections.
>
> My advice is to buy a Crumpton. Nick is way ahead of the curve you're
> alluding to and did his "too light" experiments with prototypes at
> least a few years ago.
>
> Hey, TK, this is that "competition in a free marketplace" all you
> neocons laud to the moon. Lighter, lighter, lighter and cheaper, too!
> More profits!!!
> (How does it feel to be a crash tester?)

Must hurt biting your tongue hard enough to not say "crash test dummy."

--
Old Fritz


== 15 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 5:13 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Apr 20, 10:42 pm, "hargo...@yahoo.com" <hargo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 5:49 pm, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:836vlmFeqfU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > Anyone who wants lighter and doesn't start by dropping bodyweight has a
> > > serious lack of understanding of basic math.  Let's see, what's heavier, a
> > > pound of bicycle or a pound of bodyfat?
>
> A lot of the riders are sold on the high-tech factor appeal. Your
> average salesperson has no idea what the tensile strength of a carbon
> fiber frame vs titanium or steel etc. They assume that since Lance and
> the other pros are riding this frame that it must be good. Until the
> 80's and late 90's you could make a reasonable assumption that this
> was true. Part of the problem today is that the magazines do a very
> poor job of educating the consumer. They spend most of their time
> talking about how well the bike rides or the value. With composites
> it's harder to evaluate the construction. I would like to see them put
> bikes on testing machine and see how many cycles a frame will take
> before it cracks. So as a result you see riders spending $3000 and up
> and don't realize that one good crash will leave the bikes in pieces.
> I am very surprised that more consumers are not upset when this
> happens.

Don't be an idiot.

Masters Fatties are not that upset when a violent crash
leaves a bike in pieces. That merely proves to all their
buddies what a bleeding-edge lightweight awesome
bike they had in the first place.

Bikes that break when crashed are not a safety issue.
If I have to explain this to you and Kunich once more
I'm gonna scream. Bike parts that break when JRA,
causing a crash, are a safety issue. But there are relatively
few of these, and your and Kunich's ideas for preventing
them are impractical or just wrong.

You want to get the CPSC involved? I think the CPSC is
a fine organization that prevents people like Dan Aykroyd
from selling Johnny-Flaming-Torch costumes, but they
are not the right organization to construct standards for
all parts of a performance-oriented bicycle. The CPSC
brought you lawyer lips to protect all the people out there
who are too dumb to operate a quick release skewer
correctly. Do you want the CPSC protecting you and
Kunich from yourselves in all other aspects of bike
construction as well?

Won't someone please think of all the children injured
by snapping carbon fiber bicycles each year?

Fredmaster Ben

== 16 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 5:33 pm
From: "H. Fred Kveck"


In article <hqnb6a$fhk$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Fred K. Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:

> <hargow20@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:d868b4b1-cb64-4ec4-abb2-
>
>
> > A lot of the riders are sold on the high-tech factor appeal. Your
> > average salesperson has no idea what the tensile strength of a carbon
> > fiber frame vs titanium or steel etc.

> Even if you know that information, it wouldn't do you any good unless you
> had a virtual (in a computer) model of the frame and could do a finite
> element analysis.

The things that he's talking about cannot be taken in isolation, as he seems to
think, and come up with a meaningful piece of information that'll tell you anything
about a bike frame.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:22 am
From: bar


On Apr 20, 10:17 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 6:45 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 7:30 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 20, 12:46 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Skip to about 2 mins in:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjqVbLhDfvw
>
> > > > I'll note that the last turn onto the Champs is a right-hander too ...
> > > > I bet Cav will veto all these guys from HTC's Turkey lineup for the
> > > > TdF ...
>
> > > Let me get this straight, you think the crash was because it was a
> > > right hand turn and these guys won't be selected for the TdF because
> > > the final turn on the final stage is also a right hand turn???
>
> > no. apologies for the confusion. what i was trying to suggest is that
> > Cav will probably not feel comfortable riding behind guys who overcook
> > and grease out in corners like this one in Turkey. Or, for that
> > matter, guys who get scared and tap the brakes like Garmin did last
> > year. But I think this crash was a case of misjudging a corner and
> > hitting it too fast.
>
> > I've googled but can't find anyplace where Cav has commented on this
> > crash, but I guarantee you he saw it and was taking notes (if not
> > names).
>
> Looked to me like it was only the leading rider who had a problem.
> All the others seemed just fine until the lead rider lost his rear
> wheel.

Agreed. But the effect was devastating. Greipel (in a nice way) puts
the blame on Grabsch:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/greipels-turkish-adventure-comes-to-an-end

Also, what the hell was Visconti doing as they crossed the line? Did
he think he'd been impeded or what? He actually thwapped Viviani on
the shoulder there ...

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:36 pm
From: Scott


but there were two very interesting race finishes today.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:58 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Apr 21, 3:36 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> but there were two very interesting race finishes today.

Who would have thought Cadel Fucking Evans would be
the one to break the curse of the rainbow jersey?

Ben


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 5:11 pm
From: Scott


On Apr 21, 5:58 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 3:36 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > but there were two very interesting race finishes today.
>
> Who would have thought Cadel Fucking Evans would be
> the one to break the curse of the rainbow jersey?
>
> Ben

Don't know about all that, but it was interesting waiting for the
blistering acceleration from Contador that never materialized.

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== 1 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 11:39 am
From: Michael


On Apr 21, 2:31 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > On Apr 21, 1:19 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> >> Michael wrote:
> >>> On Apr 21, 12:19 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Apr 21, 10:22 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>>> 1050 ESPN radio reports Jets could  be looking to save 7 million by
> >>>>> shopping Faneca.  Not to mention, improve pass blocking.
> >>>> This is a bad idea.
> >>> I think the most important unit on a pro team is the offensive line.
> >>> Having the same guys on the line together for a long time is ideal so
> >>> long as they are not Adrian Clarke and Anthony Clement.  I would not
> >>> usually think that changing the chemistry on an offensive line is a
> >>> good thing.  In this case, I do.  Fenca is a poor pass blocker and
> >>> getting worse. He also costs too much.  I dont think his pulling out
> >>> to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.
> >> His pulling to the right, getting out in the flat on the left side,
> >> being involved in turning pass plays & running plays from no gain into
> >> 1st downs have quite a bit of value. Nothing is more frustrating to a
> >> dfense than thinking you have the play covered and safety  or CB gets
> >> taken out by an OL.  Who cares about money in an uncapped year.
>
> >> Draft a guard & see what we have.  You can always cut him next year or
> >> you get him to restructure.  You are overstating his weaknesses to prove
> >> yourself right.
>
> >>         3/1/2008: Signed a five-year, $40 million contract. The deal contains
> >> $21 million guaranteed, including a $4.2 million signing bonus. 2010:
> >> $7.5 million (+ $7.5 million roster bonus?), 2011: $7.75 million, 2012:
> >> $6.75 million, 2013: Free Agent
>
> > John... I dont think I'm overstating the fact that he's not a good
> > pass blocker.  At times he looked like a turnstyle.  He gets
> > demolished. Lots of the guys that sit in my section also noticed how
> > often he got blown up this past season.  I think the coaches can see
> > that too. Could be a hazard to the qb's health.   If we dont have
> > better, we have no choice, but I think the end is near for him.  This
> > will be his last season, I'd expect.
>
> No you are overstating how bad he is as a pass blocker not that he is
> not a good pass blocker.  You are also minimizing his contributions in
> other areas. You wrote & I quote:
>
> <<I dont think his pulling out
> to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.>>
>
> That is just vomitus.  Ok maybe I am overreacting but this was vomitus
>
> Adrien Clarke
>
> We have no alternative so cutting him is insanity.  He have up 6 sacks &
> 3 QB hits last year but you do realize Sanchez was he least touched QB
> in the league.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

to my eyes, he looked like a bad pass blocker... and as badly as
sanchez did at times making decisions he was "A +" at moving to avoid
pressure. His abilty to avoid pass rushers was a big part of being
one of the least hit/sacked qb's in the nfl.
belichic seems to know exactly where to apply pressure when he plays
the jets. they collapse faneca.


== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:04 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:VuCdnS4Bz4g1tVLWnZ2dnUVZ_qU3t52d@giganews.com...
> Michael wrote:
>> On Apr 21, 12:19 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Apr 21, 10:22 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1050 ESPN radio reports Jets could be looking to save 7 million by
>>>> shopping Faneca. Not to mention, improve pass blocking.
>>> This is a bad idea.
>>
>> I think the most important unit on a pro team is the offensive line.
>> Having the same guys on the line together for a long time is ideal so
>> long as they are not Adrian Clarke and Anthony Clement. I would not
>> usually think that changing the chemistry on an offensive line is a
>> good thing. In this case, I do. Fenca is a poor pass blocker and
>> getting worse. He also costs too much. I dont think his pulling out
>> to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.
>
> They need to get another guy before they get rid of him. The Jets depth
> at OL is laughably bad. They should probably draft another guard and let
> him develop as a backup before they jettison Faneca. Like I mentioned in
> another thread, maybe they should have their sights set on Pouncey in the
> first round?

AMEN !!!!! Wise words. I can not understand this idiotic mentality of
people thinking about getting rid of anybody until you have a replacement.
That is flat out stupid. Hell, even in high school you use JV teams to
create replacements, I don't think the Jets have been running a JV schedule,
and I don't think it is a given you come up with a replacement.


== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:04 pm
From: Johnctx


Michael wrote:
> On Apr 21, 2:31 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> On Apr 21, 1:19 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 21, 12:19 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 21, 10:22 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 1050 ESPN radio reports Jets could be looking to save 7 million by
>>>>>>> shopping Faneca. Not to mention, improve pass blocking.
>>>>>> This is a bad idea.
>>>>> I think the most important unit on a pro team is the offensive line.
>>>>> Having the same guys on the line together for a long time is ideal so
>>>>> long as they are not Adrian Clarke and Anthony Clement. I would not
>>>>> usually think that changing the chemistry on an offensive line is a
>>>>> good thing. In this case, I do. Fenca is a poor pass blocker and
>>>>> getting worse. He also costs too much. I dont think his pulling out
>>>>> to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.
>>>> His pulling to the right, getting out in the flat on the left side,
>>>> being involved in turning pass plays & running plays from no gain into
>>>> 1st downs have quite a bit of value. Nothing is more frustrating to a
>>>> dfense than thinking you have the play covered and safety or CB gets
>>>> taken out by an OL. Who cares about money in an uncapped year.
>>>> Draft a guard & see what we have. You can always cut him next year or
>>>> you get him to restructure. You are overstating his weaknesses to prove
>>>> yourself right.
>>>> 3/1/2008: Signed a five-year, $40 million contract. The deal contains
>>>> $21 million guaranteed, including a $4.2 million signing bonus. 2010:
>>>> $7.5 million (+ $7.5 million roster bonus?), 2011: $7.75 million, 2012:
>>>> $6.75 million, 2013: Free Agent
>>> John... I dont think I'm overstating the fact that he's not a good
>>> pass blocker. At times he looked like a turnstyle. He gets
>>> demolished. Lots of the guys that sit in my section also noticed how
>>> often he got blown up this past season. I think the coaches can see
>>> that too. Could be a hazard to the qb's health. If we dont have
>>> better, we have no choice, but I think the end is near for him. This
>>> will be his last season, I'd expect.
>> No you are overstating how bad he is as a pass blocker not that he is
>> not a good pass blocker. You are also minimizing his contributions in
>> other areas. You wrote & I quote:
>>
>> <<I dont think his pulling out
>> to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.>>
>>
>> That is just vomitus. Ok maybe I am overreacting but this was vomitus
>>
>> Adrien Clarke
>>
>> We have no alternative so cutting him is insanity. He have up 6 sacks &
>> 3 QB hits last year but you do realize Sanchez was he least touched QB
>> in the league.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> to my eyes, he looked like a bad pass blocker... and as badly as
> sanchez did at times making decisions he was "A +" at moving to avoid
> pressure. His abilty to avoid pass rushers was a big part of being
> one of the least hit/sacked qb's in the nfl.
> belichic seems to know exactly where to apply pressure when he plays
> the jets. they collapse faneca.


I am not saying he is a good pass blocker. He is a very good run
blocker so when the + & -'s are tallied he is a good guard. He has good
feet tell which me at his age he works hard & shows up fit.

To this day I wish we would have released Kendall, kept Mawae & had
Mangold playing guard waiting in the wings to play center.


== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:07 pm
From: Johnctx


papa.carl44 wrote:
> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
> news:VuCdnS4Bz4g1tVLWnZ2dnUVZ_qU3t52d@giganews.com...
>> Michael wrote:
>>> On Apr 21, 12:19 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 21, 10:22 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 1050 ESPN radio reports Jets could be looking to save 7 million by
>>>>> shopping Faneca. Not to mention, improve pass blocking.
>>>> This is a bad idea.
>>> I think the most important unit on a pro team is the offensive line.
>>> Having the same guys on the line together for a long time is ideal so
>>> long as they are not Adrian Clarke and Anthony Clement. I would not
>>> usually think that changing the chemistry on an offensive line is a
>>> good thing. In this case, I do. Fenca is a poor pass blocker and
>>> getting worse. He also costs too much. I dont think his pulling out
>>> to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.
>> They need to get another guy before they get rid of him. The Jets depth
>> at OL is laughably bad. They should probably draft another guard and let
>> him develop as a backup before they jettison Faneca. Like I mentioned in
>> another thread, maybe they should have their sights set on Pouncey in the
>> first round?
>
> AMEN !!!!! Wise words. I can not understand this idiotic mentality of
> people thinking about getting rid of anybody until you have a replacement.
> That is flat out stupid. Hell, even in high school you use JV teams to
> create replacements, I don't think the Jets have been running a JV schedule,
> and I don't think it is a given you come up with a replacement.
>
>

Ryan said that it is all BS. I hope he is right.

Having said that if we don't have any young guys at guard with any
promise I wonder what Randy Thomas has left in the tank?

One of the problems of the prevalence of the spread offense is the
decreased production of quality OL.


== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:27 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Apr 21, 12:29 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 12:19 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 21, 10:22 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > 1050 ESPN radio reports Jets could  be looking to save 7 million by
> > > shopping Faneca.  Not to mention, improve pass blocking.
>
> > This is a bad idea.
>
> I think the most important unit on a pro team is the offensive line.
> Having the same guys on the line together for a long time is ideal so
> long as they are not Adrian Clarke and Anthony Clement.  I would not
> usually think that changing the chemistry on an offensive line is a
> good thing.  In this case, I do.  Fenca is a poor pass blocker and
> getting worse. He also costs too much.  I dont think his pulling out
> to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.

And who is going to replace him?


== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:29 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Apr 21, 1:10 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 12:32 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Michael wrote:
> > > On Apr 21, 12:19 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Apr 21, 10:22 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >>> 1050 ESPN radio reports Jets could  be looking to save 7 million by
> > >>> shopping Faneca.  Not to mention, improve pass blocking.
> > >> This is a bad idea.
>
> > > I think the most important unit on a pro team is the offensive line.
> > > Having the same guys on the line together for a long time is ideal so
> > > long as they are not Adrian Clarke and Anthony Clement.  I would not
> > > usually think that changing the chemistry on an offensive line is a
> > > good thing.  In this case, I do.  Fenca is a poor pass blocker and
> > > getting worse. He also costs too much.  I dont think his pulling out
> > > to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.
>
> > They need to get another guy before they get rid of him.  The Jets depth
> > at OL is laughably bad.  They should probably draft another guard and
> > let him develop as a backup before they jettison Faneca.  Like I
> > mentioned in another thread, maybe they should have their sights set on
> > Pouncey in the first round?
>
> They got a guy last year from Nebraska.  Matt Slausson.  He has played
> all spots on the o-line and was said to be developing well.  Who knows
> how well.

It would be a down grade. For whatever reason you have hated Faneca
since we acquired him. If you start Slausson it will be a new guy
adjusting at a key position and Slausson is about the only decent
reserve we have


== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:34 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 21, 4:07 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> papa.carl44 wrote:
> > "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote in message
> >news:VuCdnS4Bz4g1tVLWnZ2dnUVZ_qU3t52d@giganews.com...
> >> Michael wrote:
> >>> On Apr 21, 12:19 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Apr 21, 10:22 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>> 1050 ESPN radio reports Jets could  be looking to save 7 million by
> >>>>> shopping Faneca.  Not to mention, improve pass blocking.
> >>>> This is a bad idea.
> >>> I think the most important unit on a pro team is the offensive line.
> >>> Having the same guys on the line together for a long time is ideal so
> >>> long as they are not Adrian Clarke and Anthony Clement.  I would not
> >>> usually think that changing the chemistry on an offensive line is a
> >>> good thing.  In this case, I do.  Fenca is a poor pass blocker and
> >>> getting worse. He also costs too much.  I dont think his pulling out
> >>> to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.
> >> They need to get another guy before they get rid of him.  The Jets depth
> >> at OL is laughably bad.  They should probably draft another guard and let
> >> him develop as a backup before they jettison Faneca.  Like I mentioned in
> >> another thread, maybe they should have their sights set on Pouncey in the
> >> first round?
>
> > AMEN !!!!!  Wise words.  I can not understand this idiotic mentality of
> > people thinking about getting rid of anybody until you have a replacement.
> > That is flat out stupid.  Hell, even in high school you use JV teams to
> > create replacements, I don't think the Jets have been running a JV schedule,
> > and I don't think it is a given you come up with a replacement.
>
> Ryan said that it is all BS. I hope he is right.
>
> Having said that if we don't have any young guys at guard with any
> promise I wonder what Randy Thomas has left in the tank?

Randy Thomas is not a criminal nor did he have any off the field
issues. He does not fit the Jet's profile... Think Nate Newton,
Barrett Robins, Bryant McKinne and I think Kenyatta Walker would
gladly leave the Toronto Argonauts to join the Jets.

== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:35 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 21, 4:29 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 1:10 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 21, 12:32 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
> > > Michael wrote:
> > > > On Apr 21, 12:19 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Apr 21, 10:22 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > >>> 1050 ESPN radio reports Jets could  be looking to save 7 million by
> > > >>> shopping Faneca.  Not to mention, improve pass blocking.
> > > >> This is a bad idea.
>
> > > > I think the most important unit on a pro team is the offensive line.
> > > > Having the same guys on the line together for a long time is ideal so
> > > > long as they are not Adrian Clarke and Anthony Clement.  I would not
> > > > usually think that changing the chemistry on an offensive line is a
> > > > good thing.  In this case, I do.  Fenca is a poor pass blocker and
> > > > getting worse. He also costs too much.  I dont think his pulling out
> > > > to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.
>
> > > They need to get another guy before they get rid of him.  The Jets depth
> > > at OL is laughably bad.  They should probably draft another guard and
> > > let him develop as a backup before they jettison Faneca.  Like I
> > > mentioned in another thread, maybe they should have their sights set on
> > > Pouncey in the first round?
>
> > They got a guy last year from Nebraska.  Matt Slausson.  He has played
> > all spots on the o-line and was said to be developing well.  Who knows
> > how well.
>
> It would be a down grade. For whatever reason you have hated Faneca
> since we acquired him. If you start Slausson it will be a new guy
> adjusting at a key position and Slausson is about the only decent
> reserve we have- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I dont hate Faneca... I hate what the paid for him


== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:43 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 21, 4:29 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 1:10 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 21, 12:32 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
> > > Michael wrote:
> > > > On Apr 21, 12:19 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Apr 21, 10:22 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > >>> 1050 ESPN radio reports Jets could  be looking to save 7 million by
> > > >>> shopping Faneca.  Not to mention, improve pass blocking.
> > > >> This is a bad idea.
>
> > > > I think the most important unit on a pro team is the offensive line.
> > > > Having the same guys on the line together for a long time is ideal so
> > > > long as they are not Adrian Clarke and Anthony Clement.  I would not
> > > > usually think that changing the chemistry on an offensive line is a
> > > > good thing.  In this case, I do.  Fenca is a poor pass blocker and
> > > > getting worse. He also costs too much.  I dont think his pulling out
> > > > to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.
>
> > > They need to get another guy before they get rid of him.  The Jets depth
> > > at OL is laughably bad.  They should probably draft another guard and
> > > let him develop as a backup before they jettison Faneca.  Like I
> > > mentioned in another thread, maybe they should have their sights set on
> > > Pouncey in the first round?
>
> > They got a guy last year from Nebraska.  Matt Slausson.  He has played
> > all spots on the o-line and was said to be developing well.  Who knows
> > how well.
>
> It would be a down grade. For whatever reason you have hated Faneca
> since we acquired him. If you start Slausson it will be a new guy
> adjusting at a key position and Slausson is about the only decent
> reserve we have- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

If Sanchez gets injured because a defender blasts straight through
Fancea...


== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 2:49 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Apr 21, 4:43 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 4:29 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 21, 1:10 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 21, 12:32 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
> > > > Michael wrote:
> > > > > On Apr 21, 12:19 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> On Apr 21, 10:22 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > >>> 1050 ESPN radio reports Jets could  be looking to save 7 million by
> > > > >>> shopping Faneca.  Not to mention, improve pass blocking.
> > > > >> This is a bad idea.
>
> > > > > I think the most important unit on a pro team is the offensive line.
> > > > > Having the same guys on the line together for a long time is ideal so
> > > > > long as they are not Adrian Clarke and Anthony Clement.  I would not
> > > > > usually think that changing the chemistry on an offensive line is a
> > > > > good thing.  In this case, I do.  Fenca is a poor pass blocker and
> > > > > getting worse. He also costs too much.  I dont think his pulling out
> > > > > to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.
>
> > > > They need to get another guy before they get rid of him.  The Jets depth
> > > > at OL is laughably bad.  They should probably draft another guard and
> > > > let him develop as a backup before they jettison Faneca.  Like I
> > > > mentioned in another thread, maybe they should have their sights set on
> > > > Pouncey in the first round?
>
> > > They got a guy last year from Nebraska.  Matt Slausson.  He has played
> > > all spots on the o-line and was said to be developing well.  Who knows
> > > how well.
>
> > It would be a down grade. For whatever reason you have hated Faneca
> > since we acquired him. If you start Slausson it will be a new guy
> > adjusting at a key position and Slausson is about the only decent
> > reserve we have- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> If Sanchez gets injured because a defender blasts straight through
> Fancea...

This kind of thinking is plain stupid. He is a football player (even
if the league treats football players like pussys).


== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:09 pm
From: MZ


Johnctx wrote:
> Michael wrote:
>> On Apr 21, 2:31 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>> Michael wrote:
>>>> On Apr 21, 1:19 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 21, 12:19 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 10:22 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 1050 ESPN radio reports Jets could be looking to save 7 million by
>>>>>>>> shopping Faneca. Not to mention, improve pass blocking.
>>>>>>> This is a bad idea.
>>>>>> I think the most important unit on a pro team is the offensive line.
>>>>>> Having the same guys on the line together for a long time is ideal so
>>>>>> long as they are not Adrian Clarke and Anthony Clement. I would not
>>>>>> usually think that changing the chemistry on an offensive line is a
>>>>>> good thing. In this case, I do. Fenca is a poor pass blocker and
>>>>>> getting worse. He also costs too much. I dont think his pulling out
>>>>>> to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.
>>>>> His pulling to the right, getting out in the flat on the left side,
>>>>> being involved in turning pass plays & running plays from no gain into
>>>>> 1st downs have quite a bit of value. Nothing is more frustrating to a
>>>>> dfense than thinking you have the play covered and safety or CB gets
>>>>> taken out by an OL. Who cares about money in an uncapped year.
>>>>> Draft a guard & see what we have. You can always cut him next year or
>>>>> you get him to restructure. You are overstating his weaknesses to
>>>>> prove
>>>>> yourself right.
>>>>> 3/1/2008: Signed a five-year, $40 million contract. The
>>>>> deal contains
>>>>> $21 million guaranteed, including a $4.2 million signing bonus. 2010:
>>>>> $7.5 million (+ $7.5 million roster bonus?), 2011: $7.75 million,
>>>>> 2012:
>>>>> $6.75 million, 2013: Free Agent
>>>> John... I dont think I'm overstating the fact that he's not a good
>>>> pass blocker. At times he looked like a turnstyle. He gets
>>>> demolished. Lots of the guys that sit in my section also noticed how
>>>> often he got blown up this past season. I think the coaches can see
>>>> that too. Could be a hazard to the qb's health. If we dont have
>>>> better, we have no choice, but I think the end is near for him. This
>>>> will be his last season, I'd expect.
>>> No you are overstating how bad he is as a pass blocker not that he is
>>> not a good pass blocker. You are also minimizing his contributions in
>>> other areas. You wrote & I quote:
>>>
>>> <<I dont think his pulling out
>>> to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.>>
>>>
>>> That is just vomitus. Ok maybe I am overreacting but this was vomitus
>>>
>>> Adrien Clarke
>>>
>>> We have no alternative so cutting him is insanity. He have up 6 sacks &
>>> 3 QB hits last year but you do realize Sanchez was he least touched QB
>>> in the league.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> to my eyes, he looked like a bad pass blocker... and as badly as
>> sanchez did at times making decisions he was "A +" at moving to avoid
>> pressure. His abilty to avoid pass rushers was a big part of being
>> one of the least hit/sacked qb's in the nfl.
>> belichic seems to know exactly where to apply pressure when he plays
>> the jets. they collapse faneca.
>
>
> I am not saying he is a good pass blocker. He is a very good run
> blocker so when the + & -'s are tallied he is a good guard. He has good
> feet tell which me at his age he works hard & shows up fit.
>
> To this day I wish we would have released Kendall, kept Mawae & had
> Mangold playing guard waiting in the wings to play center.

For what it's worth, and it may not be much, statistically PFF had him
rated as the 18th best guard in the NFL in run blocking (among players
who appeared in 75% or more snaps). In comparison, Moore was 8th. As a
pass blocker, Faneca was 4th worst in the NFL. Moore was 6th best.

I don't know exactly how they derive those numbers, but it's worth
noting that Faneca gave up 6 sacks, 2 QB hits, and 15 pressures (reg
season), while Moore gave up only 1 sack, 2 hits, and 8 pressures
(fewest pressures in the league).

Again, take it for what it's worth.

Michael may not be that far off the mark in his evaluation here,
although I still agree with you guys that they need an established
player to play LG before they even think about getting rid of Faneca.
Maybe Slauson's that guy, but it's just as likely that he doesn't even
make the final 53. We really don't know, but Rex probably does.


== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:30 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 21, 6:09 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Johnctx wrote:
> > Michael wrote:
> >> On Apr 21, 2:31 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> >>> Michael wrote:
> >>>> On Apr 21, 1:19 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> >>>>> Michael wrote:
> >>>>>> On Apr 21, 12:19 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Apr 21, 10:22 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 1050 ESPN radio reports Jets could  be looking to save 7 million by
> >>>>>>>> shopping Faneca.  Not to mention, improve pass blocking.
> >>>>>>> This is a bad idea.
> >>>>>> I think the most important unit on a pro team is the offensive line.
> >>>>>> Having the same guys on the line together for a long time is ideal so
> >>>>>> long as they are not Adrian Clarke and Anthony Clement.  I would not
> >>>>>> usually think that changing the chemistry on an offensive line is a
> >>>>>> good thing.  In this case, I do.  Fenca is a poor pass blocker and
> >>>>>> getting worse. He also costs too much.  I dont think his pulling out
> >>>>>> to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.
> >>>>> His pulling to the right, getting out in the flat on the left side,
> >>>>> being involved in turning pass plays & running plays from no gain into
> >>>>> 1st downs have quite a bit of value. Nothing is more frustrating to a
> >>>>> dfense than thinking you have the play covered and safety  or CB gets
> >>>>> taken out by an OL.  Who cares about money in an uncapped year.
> >>>>> Draft a guard & see what we have.  You can always cut him next year or
> >>>>> you get him to restructure.  You are overstating his weaknesses to
> >>>>> prove
> >>>>> yourself right.
> >>>>>         3/1/2008: Signed a five-year, $40 million contract. The
> >>>>> deal contains
> >>>>> $21 million guaranteed, including a $4.2 million signing bonus. 2010:
> >>>>> $7.5 million (+ $7.5 million roster bonus?), 2011: $7.75 million,
> >>>>> 2012:
> >>>>> $6.75 million, 2013: Free Agent
> >>>> John... I dont think I'm overstating the fact that he's not a good
> >>>> pass blocker.  At times he looked like a turnstyle.  He gets
> >>>> demolished. Lots of the guys that sit in my section also noticed how
> >>>> often he got blown up this past season.  I think the coaches can see
> >>>> that too. Could be a hazard to the qb's health.   If we dont have
> >>>> better, we have no choice, but I think the end is near for him.  This
> >>>> will be his last season, I'd expect.
> >>> No you are overstating how bad he is as a pass blocker not that he is
> >>> not a good pass blocker.  You are also minimizing his contributions in
> >>> other areas. You wrote & I quote:
>
> >>> <<I dont think his pulling out
> >>> to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.>>
>
> >>> That is just vomitus.  Ok maybe I am overreacting but this was vomitus
>
> >>> Adrien Clarke
>
> >>> We have no alternative so cutting him is insanity.  He have up 6 sacks &
> >>> 3 QB hits last year but you do realize Sanchez was he least touched QB
> >>> in the league.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> to my eyes, he looked like a bad pass blocker... and as badly as
> >> sanchez did at times making decisions he was "A +" at moving to avoid
> >> pressure.  His abilty to avoid pass rushers was a big part of being
> >> one of the least hit/sacked qb's in the nfl.
> >> belichic seems to know exactly where to apply pressure when he plays
> >> the jets.  they collapse faneca.
>
> > I am not saying he is a good pass blocker.  He is a very good run
> > blocker so when the + & -'s are tallied he is a good guard.  He has good
> > feet tell which me at his age he works hard & shows up fit.
>
> > To this day I wish we would have released Kendall, kept Mawae & had
> > Mangold playing guard waiting in the wings to play center.
>
> For what it's worth, and it may not be much, statistically PFF had him
> rated as the 18th best guard in the NFL in run blocking (among players
> who appeared in 75% or more snaps).  In comparison, Moore was 8th.  As a
> pass blocker, Faneca was 4th worst in the NFL.  Moore was 6th best.
>
> I don't know exactly how they derive those numbers, but it's worth
> noting that Faneca gave up 6 sacks, 2 QB hits, and 15 pressures (reg
> season), while Moore gave up only 1 sack, 2 hits, and 8 pressures
> (fewest pressures in the league).
>
> Again, take it for what it's worth.
>
> Michael may not be that far off the mark in his evaluation here,
> although I still agree with you guys that they need an established
> player to play LG before they even think about getting rid of Faneca.
> Maybe Slauson's that guy, but it's just as likely that he doesn't even
> make the final 53.  We really don't know, but Rex probably does.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Mark... Thank you for the stats. I saying how good Moore is and I get
flamed. I have been saying how bad Faneca is at pass blocking and I
get flamed. I see the games and I watcht he lines. The idiot
commitee sends Faneca to the pro-bowl and I'm left wondering. I see
the games. All of them. Faneca is fukin liability. An expensive
one. The Jet coaches are just as smart as I am and I bet hey know it
too and want to send him off. Any aveage guard out there would be an
upgrade on Faneca and cost way less money. I dont care how much
running around Faneca does on running plays. He's not the player now
a lot of people thing he is.


== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:24 pm
From: MZ


Michael wrote:
> On Apr 21, 6:09 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Johnctx wrote:
>>> Michael wrote:
>>>> On Apr 21, 2:31 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 21, 1:19 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 12:19 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 10:22 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 1050 ESPN radio reports Jets could be looking to save 7 million by
>>>>>>>>>> shopping Faneca. Not to mention, improve pass blocking.
>>>>>>>>> This is a bad idea.
>>>>>>>> I think the most important unit on a pro team is the offensive line.
>>>>>>>> Having the same guys on the line together for a long time is ideal so
>>>>>>>> long as they are not Adrian Clarke and Anthony Clement. I would not
>>>>>>>> usually think that changing the chemistry on an offensive line is a
>>>>>>>> good thing. In this case, I do. Fenca is a poor pass blocker and
>>>>>>>> getting worse. He also costs too much. I dont think his pulling out
>>>>>>>> to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.
>>>>>>> His pulling to the right, getting out in the flat on the left side,
>>>>>>> being involved in turning pass plays & running plays from no gain into
>>>>>>> 1st downs have quite a bit of value. Nothing is more frustrating to a
>>>>>>> dfense than thinking you have the play covered and safety or CB gets
>>>>>>> taken out by an OL. Who cares about money in an uncapped year.
>>>>>>> Draft a guard & see what we have. You can always cut him next year or
>>>>>>> you get him to restructure. You are overstating his weaknesses to
>>>>>>> prove
>>>>>>> yourself right.
>>>>>>> 3/1/2008: Signed a five-year, $40 million contract. The
>>>>>>> deal contains
>>>>>>> $21 million guaranteed, including a $4.2 million signing bonus. 2010:
>>>>>>> $7.5 million (+ $7.5 million roster bonus?), 2011: $7.75 million,
>>>>>>> 2012:
>>>>>>> $6.75 million, 2013: Free Agent
>>>>>> John... I dont think I'm overstating the fact that he's not a good
>>>>>> pass blocker. At times he looked like a turnstyle. He gets
>>>>>> demolished. Lots of the guys that sit in my section also noticed how
>>>>>> often he got blown up this past season. I think the coaches can see
>>>>>> that too. Could be a hazard to the qb's health. If we dont have
>>>>>> better, we have no choice, but I think the end is near for him. This
>>>>>> will be his last season, I'd expect.
>>>>> No you are overstating how bad he is as a pass blocker not that he is
>>>>> not a good pass blocker. You are also minimizing his contributions in
>>>>> other areas. You wrote & I quote:
>>>>> <<I dont think his pulling out
>>>>> to the right is so valuable that they cant do without him.>>
>>>>> That is just vomitus. Ok maybe I am overreacting but this was vomitus
>>>>> Adrien Clarke
>>>>> We have no alternative so cutting him is insanity. He have up 6 sacks &
>>>>> 3 QB hits last year but you do realize Sanchez was he least touched QB
>>>>> in the league.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> to my eyes, he looked like a bad pass blocker... and as badly as
>>>> sanchez did at times making decisions he was "A +" at moving to avoid
>>>> pressure. His abilty to avoid pass rushers was a big part of being
>>>> one of the least hit/sacked qb's in the nfl.
>>>> belichic seems to know exactly where to apply pressure when he plays
>>>> the jets. they collapse faneca.
>>> I am not saying he is a good pass blocker. He is a very good run
>>> blocker so when the + & -'s are tallied he is a good guard. He has good
>>> feet tell which me at his age he works hard & shows up fit.
>>> To this day I wish we would have released Kendall, kept Mawae & had
>>> Mangold playing guard waiting in the wings to play center.
>> For what it's worth, and it may not be much, statistically PFF had him
>> rated as the 18th best guard in the NFL in run blocking (among players
>> who appeared in 75% or more snaps). In comparison, Moore was 8th. As a
>> pass blocker, Faneca was 4th worst in the NFL. Moore was 6th best.
>>
>> I don't know exactly how they derive those numbers, but it's worth
>> noting that Faneca gave up 6 sacks, 2 QB hits, and 15 pressures (reg
>> season), while Moore gave up only 1 sack, 2 hits, and 8 pressures
>> (fewest pressures in the league).
>>
>> Again, take it for what it's worth.
>>
>> Michael may not be that far off the mark in his evaluation here,
>> although I still agree with you guys that they need an established
>> player to play LG before they even think about getting rid of Faneca.
>> Maybe Slauson's that guy, but it's just as likely that he doesn't even
>> make the final 53. We really don't know, but Rex probably does.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Mark... Thank you for the stats. I saying how good Moore is and I get
> flamed. I have been saying how bad Faneca is at pass blocking and I
> get flamed. I see the games and I watcht he lines. The idiot
> commitee sends Faneca to the pro-bowl and I'm left wondering. I see
> the games. All of them. Faneca is fukin liability. An expensive
> one. The Jet coaches are just as smart as I am and I bet hey know it
> too and want to send him off. Any aveage guard out there would be an
> upgrade on Faneca and cost way less money. I dont care how much
> running around Faneca does on running plays. He's not the player now
> a lot of people thing he is.

Michael, I don't think people have been flaming you. We've just come to
expect you to overstate your case and come to exaggerated conclusions. :)

Seriously though, I'm not a huge fan of individual stats in football.
This is a good site for it (check it out...profootballfocus.com), but
stats only go so far. I see a few inconsistencies between the stats and
what I've observed with the Pats (who I'm a lot more familiar with than
the Jets, obviously). For example, Stephen Neal was ranked the 2nd best
guard in football last year, but he was a UFA this season and ended up
signing an el cheapo contract. So, even though PFF thinks he's great,
there are 31 GMs in the league who aren't quite as enamored with him.
Good player, yes. Second best in the league? No way.

Case in point...Damien Woody was ranked #4 overall for tackles. He's a
good player, but come on. Woody over Clady and Gaither? That's what
stats give you. So, grain of salt definitely should be applied here.

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TOPIC: Rothlessberger gets 6 games
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1dce11a87fc1cd00?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 11:40 am
From: Michael


On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension from
> the NFL.
>
> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.

i wonder if the steelers are going to cut him loose. i think there is
a good chance that might happen.


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 12:20 pm
From: Demetrios


On Apr 21, 2:40 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension from
> > the NFL.
>
> > this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
>
> i wonder if the steelers are going to cut him loose.  i think there is
> a good chance that might happen.

And somehow he is still missing fewer important games than Santonio
Holmes with his four game suspension.

The Steelers could walk through half those games with Terry Bradshaw
back at QB.

Then three straight prime time games when Ben comes back.

Maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist, but wouldn't one assume that the NFL
takes these issues into account when creating schedules?

D.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 12:52 pm
From: Smithee


On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension from
> the NFL.
>
> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.

The guy is lowest of the low, the scum of the earth.


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:01 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1b6862bc-052f-4a69-bfb5-3cc9aa4e4f7c@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension from
> the NFL.
>
> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.

i wonder if the steelers are going to cut him loose. i think there is
a good chance that might happen.

This is not like losing a DE, or even a WR from a team...not where you
usually have someone else who can step in and run things and you can work
your schemes to adjust...when your starting QB is MIA...at the beginning of
the season??????? You need to look elsewhere for leadership. AFAIC, Ben
can go play some pick up ball in a beer league, or coach powder puff
ball...he'll be fine there. LOL, can you imagine Ben coaching in the
Lingerie League?


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:26 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Apr 21, 2:40 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension from
> > the NFL.
>
> > this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
>
> i wonder if the steelers are going to cut him loose.  i think there is
> a good chance that might happen.

I think that would be pretty dumb of them to do that. It is unlikely
they find another QB as good as he is,


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:24 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 21, 4:26 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 2:40 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension from
> > > the NFL.
>
> > > this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
>
> > i wonder if the steelers are going to cut him loose.  i think there is
> > a good chance that might happen.
>
> I think that would be pretty dumb of them to do that. It is unlikely
> they find another QB as good as he is,

Glenn... Do you know what is going on ??? Steelers fans are sending
Roethlisberger jerseys and mechandise return receipt to the Rooneys.
Hate mail by rote. Season ticket holders have cancelld orders. Many
commentarots who know pro ball and get inside info are all saying that
the stuff we know is just the tip of the iceberg as far as Ben's
missadventures. They are saying that the Steelers did try to work
with him and give him behavioral rehab to no avail. At the moment,
the all the stuff is coming out in the open, but he's been causing
problems for a long time. Right now, for the health of the Steelers,
the best move is to get rid of him asap. The fans want him with a
rope around his neck. He's toast in Steelerland.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 12:24 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:9916f2fa-57fd-4f92-b842-faf5a2345955@j21g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 21, 12:07 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:

<SNIP>

>> papa.... i'm not a trained expert in addictions...from my own limited
> >observations, the people i know that went off track with booze seemed
>> to have problems before they took their first drink. i see what you
> >are getting at though. he cant move ahead unless he cuts out the
>> booze first and so i agree...

> It seems like the booze is part of his picture all the time...and, when I
> ran some outpatient groups it was standard policy to tell guys to not show
> up in their favorite shirts, advertising booze shirts....it sounds like a
> little thing, but it tells you a lot. I remember one guy who said he had
> to
> go buy all new tee shirts...he literally didn't have any that weren't
> about
> booze of some kind.

Interesting... Most of the people I knew/know that had/have real
problems with booze did/do everything they can to hide it. They would
never have been seen in a t-shirt with booze advertising icons on it.
In the line of work that I have been doing all my life, professional
sales, I've come across a lot of addictive personalities. That kinda
work seems to attract people that are compulsive on one way or
another. Lots have something to prove 24-7 just like an athlete
does. Immediate self gratification is also a common trait. Lots of
people will work in an intense, aggressive spurt and than think...
"Now I've done all that, I need to do something for myself". The
"something" they need to do can be healthy recreation, but all too
often it is booze or worse.

A salseman is not going to go wear a shirt like that. I don't think an
executive at any level will either. Guys who picture themselves as rugged,
wild, have no rules may choose to do so. Go walk on the boards at the
Jersey shore and notice how many you see, given they are on vacation it's
understandable, but it also says what they think a good time is and what is
needed to have it. When I was drinking, over two decades ago, I would never
wear anything like that either. It wasn't my deal, I never liked drawing
attention to myself. Me thinks Ben does like attention. That's the deal,
it's how you act out what is going on inside of you. In those same groups
with the tee shirt guys I would have some white shirted executive who was
certain he had nothing in common with any of the others in the group. On
one occasion a particularly resistant sales guy actually ran into the young
guy he used to score some coke from in the group. Here they were, both
addicts, using cocaine and booze to the extreme and sitting together. The
sales guy was selling stocks and the other guy, in his "hip" clothes was
selling anything he could make a buck on too, but at local "chic" nite spot.
Ben is the guy who wants everyone to know who he is, how much he can drink
and handle, how big he is...he is the "conspicuous consumption" guy. Point
is...there is no one model for an addict...lots of common traits that can be
expressed in many ways...but no one model...they come in all sizes, colors,
varieties.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 12:32 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 21, 3:24 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:9916f2fa-57fd-4f92-b842-faf5a2345955@j21g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 21, 12:07 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>
> >> papa.... i'm not a trained expert in addictions...from my own limited
> > >observations, the people i know that went off track with booze seemed
> >> to have problems before they took their first drink. i see what you
> > >are getting at though. he cant move ahead unless he cuts out the
> >> booze first and so i agree...
> > It seems like the booze is part of his picture all the time...and, when I
> > ran some outpatient groups it was standard policy to tell guys to not show
> > up in their favorite shirts, advertising booze shirts....it sounds like a
> > little thing, but it tells you a lot. I remember one guy who said he had
> > to
> > go buy all new tee shirts...he literally didn't have any that weren't
> > about
> > booze of some kind.
>
> Interesting... Most of the people I knew/know that had/have real
> problems with booze did/do everything they can to hide it.  They would
> never have been seen in a t-shirt with booze advertising icons on it.
> In the line of work that I have been doing all my life, professional
> sales, I've come across a lot of addictive personalities. That kinda
> work seems to attract people that are compulsive on one way or
> another.  Lots have something to prove 24-7 just like an athlete
> does.  Immediate self gratification is also a common trait.  Lots of
> people will work in an intense, aggressive spurt and than think...
> "Now I've done all that, I need to do something for myself".  The
> "something" they need to do can be healthy recreation, but all too
> often it is booze or worse.
>
> A salseman is not going to go wear a shirt like that.  I don't think an
> executive at any level will either.  Guys who picture themselves as rugged,
> wild, have no rules may choose to do so.  Go walk on the boards at the
> Jersey shore and notice how many you see, given they are on vacation it's
> understandable, but it also says what they think a good time is and what is
> needed to have it.  When I was drinking, over two decades ago, I would never
> wear anything like that either.  It wasn't my deal, I never liked drawing
> attention to myself.  Me thinks Ben does like attention.  That's the deal,
> it's how you act out what is going on inside of you.  In those same groups
> with the tee shirt guys I would have some white shirted executive who was
> certain he had nothing in common with any of the others in the group.  On
> one occasion a particularly resistant sales guy actually ran into the young
> guy he used to score some coke from in the group.  Here they were, both
> addicts, using cocaine and booze to the extreme and sitting together.  The
> sales guy was selling stocks and the other guy, in his "hip" clothes was
> selling anything he could make a buck on too, but at local "chic" nite spot.
> Ben is the guy who wants everyone to know who he is, how much he can drink
> and handle, how big he is...he is the "conspicuous consumption" guy.  Point
> is...there is no one model for an addict...lots of common traits that can be
> expressed in many ways...but no one model...they come in all sizes, colors,
> varieties.

in general dont you think that most adicts try to hide their
addiction ??? obviously, big ben is a special case... but there are
not that many rock stars and nfl qb's out there... in all other cases,
it is not "OK" or kewl to be an adict, and people try to hide it.

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TOPIC: Torry Holt, Pats
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 12:45 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 20, 3:05 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Johnctx wrote:
> > Good signing for Pats.  He hasn't dropped off much.
>
> >http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2010/04/v...
>
> > Torry Holt, a 12-year veteran receiver whose best days were as part of
> > the Rams' "Greatest Show on Turf," will sign a one-year, $1.7 million
> > deal with New England, according to a league source.
>
> > Listed at 6-feet, 200 pounds, Holt spent last season with the Jaguars,
> > with 51 receptions for 722 yards (14.2 yards per catch). During the
> > first 10 seasons of his career, all in St. Louis, Holt averaged 87
> > catches per season; in the Super Bowl XXXVI loss to the Patriots, he
> > recorded five grabs.
>
> > Soon to be 34 years old, Holt provides more depth to a position needing
> > it in New England.
>
> > In March, Holt told NFL.com that he wanted to play with an elite
> > quarterback. He now has that in Tom Brady.
>
> He'll be their new Jabar Gaffney, hopefully with better hands.  I think
> this move tells us they don't like the WRs in the draft.  Tate/Holt will
> battle for the outside spot across from Moss, and Welker/Edelman will
> play in the slot.  Pretty good offensive group, but they still need a TE
> from this draft.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

i dont like the wr's in the draft either... i expect golden tate will
be a bust... he cant get away from marginal college db's. how's he
gonna do against revis, cromartie, etc ???


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 1:36 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Apr 21, 12:35 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> > On Apr 21, 9:19 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 20, 3:05 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
> >>> Johnctx wrote:
> >>>> Good signing for Pats.  He hasn't dropped off much.
> >>>>http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2010/04/v...
> >>>> Torry Holt, a 12-year veteran receiver whose best days were as part of
> >>>> the Rams' "Greatest Show on Turf," will sign a one-year, $1.7 million
> >>>> deal with New England, according to a league source.
> >>>> Listed at 6-feet, 200 pounds, Holt spent last season with the Jaguars,
> >>>> with 51 receptions for 722 yards (14.2 yards per catch). During the
> >>>> first 10 seasons of his career, all in St. Louis, Holt averaged 87
> >>>> catches per season; in the Super Bowl XXXVI loss to the Patriots, he
> >>>> recorded five grabs.
> >>>> Soon to be 34 years old, Holt provides more depth to a position needing
> >>>> it in New England.
> >>>> In March, Holt told NFL.com that he wanted to play with an elite
> >>>> quarterback. He now has that in Tom Brady.
> >>> He'll be their new Jabar Gaffney, hopefully with better hands.  I think
> >>> this move tells us they don't like the WRs in the draft.  Tate/Holt will
> >>> battle for the outside spot across from Moss, and Welker/Edelman will
> >>> play in the slot.  Pretty good offensive group, but they still need a TE
> >>> from this draft.- Hide quoted text -
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >> This is a very good pick up for 2010 for New England.  It gives Brady
> >> and Moss someone who can move the chains and help let Moss get free.
> >> Since Welker and his replacement usually in the slot, this finally
> >> gives the Pats somene opposit Moss who can be a threat.  Sure Holt is
> >> old and only has a year left, but he can and will be productive.  Last
> >> year he had 700 yds and a very good YPC.
>
> > He won't have those numbers in NE unless Welker can't play which is
> > very possible. I think this sort of tells you that NE thinks they need
> > a plan B for Welker.
>
> Welker was out catching passes from Brady at UCLA two weeks ago.  He'll
> play this year.  The Pats need outside receivers ever since they let
> Gaffney go.  They tried to draft one last year with Tate, but he got
> hurt.  Holt is insurance for Tate, not for Welker.

Makes sense then.

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TOPIC: MAKE A SHITLOAD OF MONEY!!!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 2:10 pm
From: Krushbrook


A little while back, I was browsing these newsgroups, just like you

are now, and came across an article similar to this that said you


could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial


investment of $5.00 ! So I thought, "Yeah, right, this must be a


scam", like most of us, but I was curious, like most of us, so I
kept


reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 5 names


and address stated in the article. You then place your own name and


address in the bottom of the list of #5, and post the article in at


least 200 newsgroups.(There are thousands) No catch, that was it.


So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I


thought about trying it. I figured what I have got to lose except 5


stamps and $5.00, right?


Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little worried about


the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with U.S. Post


Office(1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed lega!


Then I invested the measly $5.00................


\\


\Well GUESS WHAT! !..... With in 7 days, I started getting money in


the mail! I was shocked! I still figured it end soon, and didn't give


it another thought. But the money just coming in. In my first week, I


made about $20.00 to $30.00 dollars. By the end of the second week I


had made total of over $1,000.00!!!!!! In the third week I had over


$10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and I


have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it's still comming in


....... It's certainly worth $5.00, and 5 stamps, I spent more than


that on the lottery!!


Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, Why it works....


also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get


the information of it as you need it. The process is very simple and


consists of 3 easy steps :


STEP 1 : Get 5 separate pieces of paper and write the following on


each piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." now get 5


$1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 5 pieces of paper so the


bill will not be seen through the envelopes to prevent thievery.
Next,


place on paper in each of the 5 envelopes and seal them. You should


now have 5 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the


above phrase and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a


service by this. THIS IS PERFECTLY LEGAL!


Mail the 5 envelopes to the following addresses :


#1 Occupant
P.O. Box 54230
Houston, Tx.
77272-1193
U.S.A.


#2 Kevin Michael
1006 Abercorn Place
Sherwood, AR 72120
U.S.A.


#3 Chang
P.O.Box 502651
San Diego CA 92150-2651
U.S.A.


#4 Belchior Mira
R. Jose Dias Coelho, 7, 1 DT
Bom-Sucesso, ALVERCA
2615
PORTUGAL


#5 Kylen Rushbrook
P.O. Box 2
Danforth IL, 60930
U.S.A


STEP 2 : Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move


the other names up ( 5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3, etc...) and add YOUR


Name as number 5 on the list.


STEP 3 : Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as


close to original as possible. Now, post your mended article to at


least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 18,000 groups) All


you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you


make! Don't know How post in the newsgroups? Well do exactly the


following :


FOR NETSCAPE USERS,


1) Click on any newsgroups, like normal. Then click on "To
News",


which is in the top left corner of the newsgroups page. This will


bring up a message box.


2) Fill in the SUBJECT with a flashy title, like the one I used,


something to catch the eye!!!


3) Now go to the message part of the box and retype this letter


exactly as it tis here, with exception of your few changes. (remember


to add your name to number 5 and move the rest up)


4) When you're done typing in the WHOLE letter, click on 'FILE'


above the send button. Then, 'SAVE AS..' DO NOT SEND YOUR ARTICLE


UNTIL YOU SAVE IT. (so you don't have to type this 200 times :-)


5) Now that you have saved the letter, go ahead and send your


first copy! (Click the 'SEND' button in the top left corner)


6) This is where you post all 200! OK, go to ANY newsgroup


article and click the 'TO NEWS' button again. Type in your flashy


subject in the 'SUBJECT BOX', then go to the message and place your


cursor here. Now click on 'ATTACHMENT' which is right below the


'SUBJECT BOX'. Click on attach file then find your letter wherever
you


saved it. Click once on your file then click 'OPEN' then click 'OK'.


If you did this right, you should see your filename in the
'ATTACHMENT


BOX' and it will be shaded.


NOW POST AWAY!!


IF YOU'RE USING INTERNET EXPLORER :


It's just as easy, holding down the left mouse button, highlight


this entire article, then press the 'CTRL' key and 'C' key at the
same


time to copy this article. Then print the article for your records to


have the names of those you will be sending $1.00 to.


Next, go to the newsgroups and press 'POST AN ARTICLE' type in


your flashy subject and click the large window below. Press 'CTRL'
and


'V' and the article will appear in the message window. **BE SURE TO


MAKE YOUR ADDRESS CHANGES TO THE 5 NAMES.**. Now re-highlight the


article andre-copy it so you have the changes..... then all you have


to do for each newsgroups is 'CTRL' and 'V' and press 'POST'. It's


that easy!!!


THAT'S IT! ALL you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and
post


away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for


each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE
MORE


MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200 **


That's it! you will begin receiving money from around the world
within


day's! You may eventually want to rent a P.O.Box due to the large


amount of mail you receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can


invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **
JUST


MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESS ARE CORRECT. **


Now the WHY part :


Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low


example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #5 on the letter. Now,


each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200


postings, each with my name at #4 and only 5 persons respond to each


of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each


make 200 MINIMUM postings with my name at #3 and only 5 replies each,


I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn


around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #2 and only receive 5


replies each, I will make an additional $625.00! OK, now here is the


fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200 letters with
my


name #1 and the each only receive 5 replies, that just made me


$3,125.00!!! With a original investment of only $5.00! AMAZING! And
as


I said 5 respones is actually VERY LOW! Average is probable 20 to 30!


So lets put those figures at just 15 responses per person. Here is


what you will make :


at #5 $15.00


at #4 $225.00


at #3 $3,375.00


at #2 $50,625.00


at #1 $759,375.00


When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest


posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $5.00 to names on the


list, putting your name at number 5 again. And start posting again.


the thing to remember is, do you realize that thousands of people all


over the world are joining the internet and reading these articles


everyday, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So can you afford $5.00 and see if


it really works?? I think so... People have said, "What if the plan


is played out and no one sends you the money? So what! What are the


chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and


new honest people who are joining the internet and newsgroups
everyday


and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000


new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual


internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will work. You


just have to be honest. Make sure you print this article out RIGHT


NOW, also. Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and


always keep an eye on the newsgroups to make sure everyone is playing


fairly. Remember, HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. You don't need to cheat


the basic idea to make the money!!


GOOD LUCK to all and please play fairly and reap the huge rewards
from


this, which is tons of extra CASH. ** By the way, if you try to


deceive people by posting the message with your name in the list and


not sending the money to the rest of the people already on the list,


you will NOT get as much. Someone I talked to knew someone who did


that and he only made about $150.00, and that's after seven or eight


weeks! Then he sent the 5 $1.00 bills, people added him to their


lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10k. This is the fairest and
most


honest way I have ever seen to share the wealth of the world with


costing anything but our time!!! You also may want to but mailing and


e-mail lists for future dollars.


Please remember to declare your extra income. Thanks once again....

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:52 pm
From: JetsLife


I don't know if I've seen someone less excited to join the Jets since
Favre's presser. He even said the same thing: only reason I'm here is
to help this team win.

I'm not a hater like some others tho -- I take his comments with
pride. Us Jets fans can be a nasty lot. Tho a far cry from Raiders
fans, they are gang-banging animals. Lucky I made it out alive one of
the times I attended in Oakland. Learned my lesson to keep Jets gear/
cheering to a minimum.

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