Thursday, April 22, 2010

rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Ultra-light Weight Bikes - 11 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1d16e70426f95a63?hl=en
* Hey Magilla - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8ffad985ee143e1f?hl=en
* Anyone notice? - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a1a3753d5a3daa3c?hl=en
* Is it just me... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c93a82e049480000?hl=en
* Le Metier - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7c969a5de09ad090?hl=en
* The girl is a coffee drinkin' sightseer... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6f7e2d2c8375d0e9?hl=en
* TOUR DE CALIFORNIA SPECTATOR ROUTING - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c3b6e340244f70d0?hl=en
* No fixed gear hipsters in China? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/002201a65ea29950?hl=en
* wholesale high quality and low price FootBall - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5b5f2180fab3fb2f?hl=en

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TOPIC: Ultra-light Weight Bikes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1d16e70426f95a63?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 11:34 pm
From: "H. Fred Kveck"


In article <HMGdnfRRR74HT1LWnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Tom Kunich" <tkunich@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Fred K. Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hqohks$v8d$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >
> > "Tom Kunich" <tkunich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:1_-dnbEd4IgWXFLWnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> >> "Fredmaster of Brainerd" <bjweiner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:005a46f4-961d-444d-bb00-255dc66855e9@k36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Masters Fatties are not that upset when a violent crash?
> >>> have a bike in pieces.
> >>
> >> Huh? It explains why I'm acting strange.
> >
> > I agree, you're definitely acting different than what we're used to
> > seeing.
>
> My personality has apparently changed so that I'm afraid of everything.

But you were already voting Republican...


== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 3:37 am
From: Betty Munro


Tom Kunich wrote:
> My personality has apparently changed so that I'm afraid of everything.

And you didn't know about Obama's secret plot to supply republicans with
ultra light carbon forks ?


== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 3:45 am
From: "Barry Taylor"

"Steve Freides" <steve@kbnj.com> wrote in message
news:838tupFi0rU1@mid.individual.net...
> Barry Taylor wrote:
>> "Tom Kunich" <tkunich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:IPqdnRKmK4AM1lPWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@kbnj.com> wrote in message
>>> news:836vlmFeqfU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> Anyone who wants lighter and doesn't start by dropping bodyweight
>>>> has a serious lack of understanding of basic math. Let's see,
>>>> what's heavier, a pound of bicycle or a pound of bodyfat?
>>>
>> lotsa stuff snipped %<
>>
>>>> I settled on 172.5 even though all the formulas
>>>> put me between 165 and 170 - go figure. Same thing for bar width,
>>>> bar reach, etc., just kept trying things, all cheap/used, until I
>>>> figured out what I liked.
>>>
>>> I had the same problem and ended up with the same 172.5.
>>>
>> thanks for that...
>>
>> now I know why I keep getting the two of you confused with each other
>>
>> mind you it's hard to discriminate from down under
>> all you Freds up there look the same to me :-}
>>
>> ~~~ ~ _@
>> ~~ ~ _- \,
>> ~~ (*)/ (*) . . . bjbear on his treadly
>
> Yeah, but your toilets flush backwards, so who cares what you have to say,
> anyway?

Good one Fre(i)d - I guess you would know what that feels like

> -S-

-bjt-

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 5:12 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org


On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:45:01 -0700 (PDT), --D-y <dustoyevsky@mac.com>
wrote:

>My recollection (open to "co-rection") is that Trek pushed the Madone
>to a new level of lightness three years or so ago, followed PDQ by
>reports of the new Madones breaking as a result of crashes not thought
>to be severe enough to break a cf frame.
>I'm not "in the loop" and I heard of a couple of such Treks.

In the early days of Trek making a big push into the road racing
business, they had a large number of failures. The composites had a
real problem shortly after that with wear at the bottom bracket/frame
juncture. Both times Trek made it up by replacing immediately and
almost without question. Turned into a small marketing coup - most
racers seemed to feel that there was a risk of this with every
manufacturer at that level, regardless of material, and Trek showed
their willingness to stand behind the warranty.

We had one racer that went through three Treks with the bottom bracket
frame thing. We figured he had found a way to have a new bike every
three months for life.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...


== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 5:26 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org


On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:14:22 -0700 (PDT), Scott
<hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:

>How fragile are they?

? Not sure if you are asking me or the original poster. I do know that
I have looked at bikes at the College Park Bikes in College Park, MD
and Family Bikes in Crofton and both were capable of pointing out that
some frames/bicycles came with a weight warning and whether or not it
was relevant. And if I drove all the way out to Lary Black's store
near Frederick, he could and would talk for hours... A 225 pound
warning on a MTB for someone that weighs 230 but plans to ride it on
the street probably isn't an issue. Plan to do the state park, maybe
so.

Frankly, I've only had a couple of bikes on the edge of things and one
was a track bike that may have been light in some places, but the
fork, crown and drops were not where they took weight. Every major
failure was my own fault and I do too much work on my own stuff to
blame much on the shop or the manufacturer. I say that because I watch
and look at the stuff and you can feel and see problems when you have
it down to the frame.

There are composite parts on my Fuji Roubaix whatever (just below the
Pro) that I can't vouch for like the other bikes, but still,
everything looks solid and unrippled. Figure when I go down, its
because I never swapped out the tires for something that made more
sense and I flatted at a bad place. I'll try to land on another fattie
master when it happens...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...


== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 5:29 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org


On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:56:26 -0700 (PDT), Henry
<snogfest_hosebeast@yahoo.com> wrote:

>if brand A is shown to crack at position B compared to brand C ....
>well .... what about consumer advocate organisations ?

Infamous for applying 'left out in the rain' standards. Their reviews
seem to me to be spot on on everything I know absolutely nothing about
and irritating for everything I have more than a passing knowledge.
Fortunately, rbr has beaten all the cognitive dissonance right out of
me.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...


== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 5:33 am
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org


On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Randall
<randall.shimizu@gmail.com> wrote:

>The CPSC is a fairly competent organization. They primarily get
>involved when it makes the news or people have been killed. The
>other scenario is when many people have been seriously injured. There
>need to be a technical working group operating under the UCI or
>whatever organization makes the most sense. They in turn can help
>advise people like CPSC.

The CPSC does NOT have a good record with bicycles for adults. They
have been caught forever between, apparently, childhood memories and
reality, whether its braking standards or lighting or retention
systems for bicycle wheels, and they have generally trailed innovation
badly. They can be spot on for coaster brakes and incandescent light
bulb headlights.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...


== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 5:35 am
From: Betty Munro


curtis@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> Fortunately, rbr has beaten all the cognitive dissonance right out of
> me.v

bots don't grok cognitive dissonance.

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 5:46 am
From: Betty Munro


curtis@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> The CPSC does NOT have a good record with bicycles for adults. They
> have been caught forever between, apparently, childhood memories and
> reality, whether its braking standards

Don't you have some retarded law that bikes had to have their front
brake on the LHS in the US (or is that just some state or city thing) ?


== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 8:02 am
From: Scott


On Apr 22, 6:26 am, cur...@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:14:22 -0700 (PDT), Scott
>
> <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >How fragile are they?
>
> ? Not sure if you are asking me or the original poster. I do know that
> I have looked at bikes at the College Park Bikes in College Park, MD
> and Family Bikes in Crofton and both were capable of pointing out that
> some frames/bicycles came with a weight warning and whether or not it
> was relevant. And if I drove all the way out to Lary Black's store
> near Frederick, he could and would talk for hours... A 225 pound
> warning on a MTB for someone that weighs 230 but plans to ride it on
> the street probably isn't an issue. Plan to do the state park, maybe
> so.
>
> Frankly, I've only had a couple of bikes on the edge of things and one
> was a track bike that may have been light in some places, but the
> fork, crown and drops were not where they took weight. Every major
> failure was my own fault and I do too much work on my own stuff to
> blame much on the shop or the manufacturer. I say that because I watch
> and look at the stuff and you can feel and see problems when you have
> it down to the frame.
>
> There are composite parts on my Fuji Roubaix whatever (just below the
> Pro) that I can't vouch for like the other bikes, but still,
> everything looks solid and unrippled. Figure when I go down, its
> because I never swapped out the tires for something that made more
> sense and I flatted at a bad place. I'll try to land on another fattie
> master when it happens...
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...

Dumbass,

1) of course I was asking you. My post was in direct response to
yours.

2) while not purely rhetorical, it wasn't a serious question.
(Think: comedian - "it's so hot outside..." audience - "How hot
is it?")


== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 10:53 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Apr 22, 5:46 am, Betty Munro <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> cur...@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> > The CPSC does NOT have a good record with bicycles for adults. They
> > have been caught forever between, apparently, childhood memories and
> > reality, whether its braking standards
>
> Don't you have some retarded law that bikes had to have their front
> brake on the LHS in the US (or is that just some state or city thing) ?

Not as far as I know, that's just local convention, so
if you buy a bike it comes set up that way. A few oddballs
and cyclocross racers (wait, isn't that redundant?) switch
them. Motorcycles have brake on the RHS here, so it would
be odd to mandate that bikes were the opposite.

We do have retarded laws about bicycles having to have
one or more hand- or foot-brakes, that technically make
brakeless fixed gears illegal. These are state or city laws,
not federal. In general the states make their own laws
relating to local affairs such as traffic, although there are
certain incentives to have uniformity across states.
I fully expect Arizona to switch to driving on the left
any moment now just to assert its independence
from the rest of the states (also, Mexico drives on the
right, so we should do the opposite).

Ben

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Hey Magilla
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8ffad985ee143e1f?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 12:43 am
From: "Fred K. Gringioni"


Evelyn Steven got 5th today on the Mur de Huy.

There's no faking it on that climb. She's gonna be for real.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 1:54 am
From: Betty Munro


Fred K. Gringioni wrote:
> Evelyn Steven got 5th today on the Mur de Huy.
> There's no faking it on that climb. She's gonna be for real.

Magilla isn't interested if Liz isn't there.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Anyone notice?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a1a3753d5a3daa3c?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 1:52 am
From: Betty Munro


Scott wrote:
> but there were two very interesting race finishes today.

I was wondering why no one accused Evans of being a wheelsucker yet. It
was a superlative performance in that sense though as he was completely
anonymous until the last 100m of the mur. I wonder if he can do the
GW-LBL double, it must be quite a few years since that was done (I
gather back in Eddy's day they used to race them back to back on a weekend).


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 3:17 am
From: "A. Dumas Fred"


Op 22-04-10 01:58, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Apr 21, 3:36 pm, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> but there were two very interesting race finishes today.
>
> Who would have thought Cadel Fucking Evans would be
> the one to break the curse of the rainbow jersey?

What, with Boonen winning E3 & RVV in 2006, Bettini winning Lombardia in
2006 and Worlds again in 2007?


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:04 am
From: DirtRoadie


On Apr 21, 4:36 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> but there were two very interesting race finishes today.

Surely there's a newsgroup somewhere for discussion of such things.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 10:43 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Apr 22, 3:17 am, "A. Dumas Fred" <alexan...@dumas.fr> wrote:
> Op 22-04-10 01:58, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>
> > On Apr 21, 3:36 pm, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
> >> but there were two very interesting race finishes today.
>
> > Who would have thought Cadel Fucking Evans would be
> > the one to break the curse of the rainbow jersey?
>
> What, with Boonen winning E3 & RVV in 2006, Bettini winning Lombardia in
> 2006 and Worlds again in 2007?

Yeah, but that's Boonen and Bettini.
They were under-performing.

Ben

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Is it just me...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c93a82e049480000?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 1:54 am
From: Betty Munro


Scott wrote:
> or does it seem that BMC has more than it's share of doping related
> issues? What's up with that?

Something to do with hearing aids perhaps.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 4:43 am
From: "z, fred"


Betty Munro wrote:
> Scott wrote:
>> or does it seem that BMC has more than it's share of doping related
>> issues? What's up with that?
>
> Something to do with hearing aids perhaps.
>

http://n2.cdn.spikedhumor.com/1/180000/19477_hearing_aids.jpg

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Le Metier
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7c969a5de09ad090?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 5:57 am
From: "I.P. Freely"


http://rouleur.cc/le-metier

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TOPIC: The girl is a coffee drinkin' sightseer...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6f7e2d2c8375d0e9?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:03 am
From: "I.P. Freely"


I don't get the vibe that she seeks pain.

http://twitter.com/Liz_Hatch/status/12513975944


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 8:28 am
From: Amit Ghosh


On Apr 22, 9:03 am, "I.P. Freely" <pissing-everywh...@pissed-off.com>
wrote:
> I don't get the vibe that she seeks pain.
>
> http://twitter.com/Liz_Hatch/status/12513975944

dumbass,

she is delusional :

RT @GustavVeronica: Trying 2 figure out where we are 2 book
everything! Not easy w/diff schedules. More men/women races together,
Please!

she should just ditch the bike and stalk protour riders, since she
isn't even competitive against local cat 1/2s.


==============================================================================
TOPIC: TOUR DE CALIFORNIA SPECTATOR ROUTING
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c3b6e340244f70d0?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 9:10 am
From: kolldata


THE QUESTION is not so smart like Backpacker's "10 BEST HOT NYAD
SPRINGS" but I have trouble relating SUR to MENDOCINO....


is there internet info on best vantage points or local knowledge eg
MJ....


such as an accessible crest overlooking a long ride down the coast,
the climb, the crest, and some of the following downhill with a
backroute to the next AAA point....

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TOPIC: No fixed gear hipsters in China?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/002201a65ea29950?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 10:43 am
From: Jason Spaceman


From the article:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Are There Really No Hipsters in China?Irony-resisting
Chinese bicyclists have skipped the fixed-gear trend that has swept
the rest of the world.
By J. David GoodmanPosted Wednesday, April 21, 2010, at 2:22 PM ET

BEIJING—A multicolored messenger bag slung over one shoulder and short-
brimmed hat cocked to the side, Nie Zheng parked his brakeless bike in
the corner of a trendy cafe in the Beijing Central Business District
before settling into a molded plastic chair to chat about his
particular obsession. "It's been a dream since I was a kid to get a
bicycle like this," the 40-year-old fashion photographer told me. "But
no one sold them here." It took nearly nine months, he said, to get a
track bike he wanted sent from England in 2007.

Such devotion is something of a rarity among the fashion-conscious in
China, where bicycles are simply not mainstream cool. In fact, this
bike-saturated nation has—so far—managed to skip entirely what is
arguably the biggest global bicycle fad in a generation: the fixed-
gear.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Read it at http://www.slate.com/id/2250893/


J. Spaceman

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TOPIC: wholesale high quality and low price FootBall
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5b5f2180fab3fb2f?hl=en
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Medarticles Do pressures to publish increase scientists' bias?

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Do pressures to publish increase scientists' bias?

(posted on 22/04/2010)

Contact: Jen Laloup
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A press release from PLoS ONE

The quality of scientific research may be suffering because academics are being increasingly pressured to produce 'publishable' results, a new study suggests. A large analysis of papers in all disciplines shows that researchers report more "positive" results for their experiments in US states where academics publish more frequently. The results are reported in the online, open-access journal PLoS ONE on April 21st, by Daniele Fanelli, of the University of Edinburgh.

The condition of today's scientists is commonly described by the expression "publish or perish". Their careers are increasingly evaluated based on the sheer number of papers listed in their CVs, and by the number of citations received - a measure of scientific quality that is hotly debated. To secure jobs and funding, therefore, researchers must publish continuously. The problem is that papers are likely to be accepted by journals and to be cited depending on the results they report.

"Scientists face an increasing conflict of interest, torn between the need to be accurate and objective and the need to keep their careers alive" says Fanelli, "while many studies have shown the deleterious effects of financial conflicts of interests in biomedical research, no one has looked at this much broader conflict, which might affect all fields".

Dr Fanelli analysed over 1300 papers that declared to have tested a hypothesis in all disciplines, from physics to sociology, the principal author of which was based in a U.S. state. Using data from the National Science Foundation, he then verified whether the papers' conclusions were linked to the states' productivity, measured by the number of papers published on average by each academic.

Findings show that papers whose authors were based in more "productive" states were more likely to support the tested hypothesis, independent of discipline and funding availability. This suggests that scientists working in more competitive and productive environments are more likely to make their results look "positive". It remains to be established whether they do this by simply writing the papers differently or by tweaking and selecting their data.

"The outcome of an experiment depends on many factors, but the productivity of the US state of the researcher should not, in theory, be one of them," explains Fanelli "we cannot exclude that researchers in the more productive states are smarter and better equipped, and thus more successful, but this is unlikely to fully explain the marked trend observed in this study".

Positive results were less than half the total in Nevada, North Dakota and Mississippi. At the other extreme, states including Michigan, Ohio, District of Columbia and Nebraska had between 95% and 100% positive results, a rate that seems unrealistic even for the most outstanding institutions.

These conclusions could apply to all scientifically advanced countries. "Academic competition for funding and positions is increasing everywhere", says Fanelli "Policies that rely too much on cold measures of productivity might be lowering the quality of science itself".

 

###

Funding: This research was entirely supported by a Marie Curie Intra-European Fellowship (Grant Agreement Number PIEF-GA-2008-221441). The founders had no role in the study design, data collection, and analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript.

Competing Interests: The author has declared that no competing interests exist.

Funding: This research was entirely supported by a Marie Curie Intra-European Fellowship (Grant Agreement Number PIEF-GA-2008-221441). The funders had no role in study design, data collection and analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript.

Contact:
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Citation: Fanelli D (2010) Do Pressures to Publish Increase Scientists' Bias? An Empirical Support from US States Data. PLoS ONE 5(4): e10271. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0010271

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TOPIC: Rothlessberger gets 6 games
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 9:02 am
From: "Remy McSwain"


In news:hqo9ie$nc7$1@news.eternal-september.org,
Ray OHara <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> news:harlan-814E7F.20265221042010@news60.forteinc.com...
>> In article <hqngbn$on9$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> "Ray OHara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game
>>> suspension from
>>> the NFL.
>>>
>>> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
>>
>> Ray, what I like about your post is that it admits the reason
>> for the suspension. In the no fun league, being guilty enough
>> to be indicted is not necessary.
>>
>> I drank when underage. I probably served booze to girls who were
>> sloshed. If I could of and they would have I probably would
>> have. The bogus thing about this suspension is that many of us
>> would
>> buy drinks for a pretty girl in a bar and none of us would card
>> her. So the behavior except for the alleged rape is nothing to
>> complain about. That is why your subject line is so true.
>> Alleged.
>>
>> While I never went in a girls bathroom and did the deed, it
>> seems wierd that there was not enough DNA to warrant taking any.
>>
>> Having the DA submit her testimony to the press after deciding
>> not to press charges, having her not scream out and have
>> witnesses, not press charges in the bar, seems like slander
>> since it was not given in a public forum, under oath, facing a
>> witness. This whole thing stinks.
>>
>> h
>
>
> buying drinks is one thing.
> holding her in a room and forcing your johnson down her throat
> is something else.
> one incident, give him the benefit. several incidents and it's
> him.

I disagree with that, and the NFL must as well. Otherwise, if they
really did conclude that he did it, they would've thrown him out.


== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 9:06 am
From: "Remy McSwain"


In news:Ts2dnWbEV-afyE3WnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com,
Johnctx <jc@spamtx.net> wrote:
> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>> In article <hqngbn$on9$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> "Ray OHara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game
>>> suspension from the NFL.
>>>
>>> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
>>
>> Ray, what I like about your post is that it admits the reason
>> for the suspension. In the no fun league, being guilty enough
>> to be indicted is not necessary.
>>
>> I drank when underage. I probably served booze to girls who were
>> sloshed. If I could of and they would have I probably would
>> have. The bogus thing about this suspension is that many of us
>> would
>> buy drinks for a pretty girl in a bar and none of us would card
>> her. So the behavior except for the alleged rape is nothing to
>> complain about. That is why your subject line is so true.
>> Alleged.
>>
>> While I never went in a girls bathroom and did the deed, it
>> seems wierd that there was not enough DNA to warrant taking any.
>>
>> Having the DA submit her testimony to the press after deciding
>> not to press charges, having her not scream out and have
>> witnesses, not press charges in the bar, seems like slander
>> since it was not given in a public forum, under oath, facing a
>> witness. This whole thing stinks.
>>
>> h
>
> H, if the reports are accurate the man is a menace.
>
> I have to side with you that if there is no case why release it.
> As I read her story my visceral reaction was BS. 10 college kids
> & not one cellphone pic? Her story read like she was rewriting
> her obituary.
> Big Ben has changed his life forever. For all the damage that
> has been done to his rep & wallet, if her story is BS, then that
> is the real crime.

I think it's more likely that the truth lies in the middle. I
SUSPECT that he did a whole lot that was well out of bounds, and
that she embellished quite a bit. I also SUSPECT that the league
interviewed lots of witnesses, and that there's lots that can be
corroborated, and so hence that suspension. My suspicions will be
further confirmed for me if he chooses not to appeal. If he
doesn't, then that tells me he doesn't want all the evidence of
whatever he DID do to come out. So my bet is that there's plenty of
evidence to warrent the 6 games.


== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 9:28 am
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Apr 21, 6:24 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 4:26 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 21, 2:40 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension from
> > > > the NFL.
>
> > > > this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
>
> > > i wonder if the steelers are going to cut him loose.  i think there is
> > > a good chance that might happen.
>
> > I think that would be pretty dumb of them to do that. It is unlikely
> > they find another QB as good as he is,
>
> Glenn... Do you know what is going on ??? Steelers fans are sending
> Roethlisberger jerseys and mechandise return receipt to the Rooneys.
> Hate mail by rote.  Season ticket holders have cancelld orders.  Many
> commentarots who know pro ball and get inside info are all saying that
> the stuff we know is just the tip of the iceberg as far as Ben's
> missadventures.  They are saying that the Steelers did try to work
> with him and give him behavioral rehab to no avail.  At the moment,
> the all the stuff is coming out in the open, but he's been causing
> problems for a long time.  Right now, for the health of the Steelers,
> the best move is to get rid of him asap.  The fans want him with a
> rope around his neck.  He's toast in Steelerland.

All I'm saying is this will be very difficult for most fans to accept.
I am sure there are fans sending in hate mail, other burning his
jersey and even canceling subscriptions but that is nothing compared
to the broad fan base I am sure. I heard callers who were Steeler fans
this morning crying foul over the suspension as being too harsh so the
fan base is cutting both ways. If the Steelers dump Ben and don't have
a talented QB to play in his place there will be riots at Steeler
games. He is more responsible for the recent success that team has
than anyone.


== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 11:34 am
From: "Ray OHara"

"Glenn Greenstein" <lexa695@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a0b2c240-d220-4c96-8c6e-2f890a89f101@u34g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 21, 6:24 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 4:26 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 21, 2:40 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game
> > > > suspension from
> > > > the NFL.
>
> > > > this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
>
> > > i wonder if the steelers are going to cut him loose. i think there is
> > > a good chance that might happen.
>
> > I think that would be pretty dumb of them to do that. It is unlikely
> > they find another QB as good as he is,
>
> Glenn... Do you know what is going on ??? Steelers fans are sending
> Roethlisberger jerseys and mechandise return receipt to the Rooneys.
> Hate mail by rote. Season ticket holders have cancelld orders. Many
> commentarots who know pro ball and get inside info are all saying that
> the stuff we know is just the tip of the iceberg as far as Ben's
> missadventures. They are saying that the Steelers did try to work
> with him and give him behavioral rehab to no avail. At the moment,
> the all the stuff is coming out in the open, but he's been causing
> problems for a long time. Right now, for the health of the Steelers,
> the best move is to get rid of him asap. The fans want him with a
> rope around his neck. He's toast in Steelerland.

All I'm saying is this will be very difficult for most fans to accept.
I am sure there are fans sending in hate mail, other burning his
jersey and even canceling subscriptions but that is nothing compared
to the broad fan base I am sure. I heard callers who were Steeler fans
this morning crying foul over the suspension as being too harsh so the
fan base is cutting both ways. If the Steelers dump Ben and don't have
a talented QB to play in his place there will be riots at Steeler
games. He is more responsible for the recent success that team has
than anyone.


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't see Pitt precipitously dumping him.
they'd want something good in return, and and anyway what other team wants a
rapist?
If Ben behaves from now on it will blow over.
one point in his favor is he isn't married and having that to deal with.

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 11:47 am
From: "Ray OHara"

"Remy McSwain" <Paradis70080@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:D5udnXf8aayY7k3WnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> In news:hqo9ie$nc7$1@news.eternal-september.org,
> Ray OHara <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>> news:harlan-814E7F.20265221042010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>> In article <hqngbn$on9$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> "Ray OHara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game
>>>> suspension from
>>>> the NFL.
>>>>
>>>> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
>>>
>>> Ray, what I like about your post is that it admits the reason
>>> for the suspension. In the no fun league, being guilty enough
>>> to be indicted is not necessary.
>>>
>>> I drank when underage. I probably served booze to girls who were
>>> sloshed. If I could of and they would have I probably would
>>> have. The bogus thing about this suspension is that many of us would
>>> buy drinks for a pretty girl in a bar and none of us would card
>>> her. So the behavior except for the alleged rape is nothing to
>>> complain about. That is why your subject line is so true. Alleged.
>>>
>>> While I never went in a girls bathroom and did the deed, it
>>> seems wierd that there was not enough DNA to warrant taking any.
>>>
>>> Having the DA submit her testimony to the press after deciding
>>> not to press charges, having her not scream out and have
>>> witnesses, not press charges in the bar, seems like slander
>>> since it was not given in a public forum, under oath, facing a
>>> witness. This whole thing stinks.
>>>
>>> h
>>
>>
>> buying drinks is one thing.
>> holding her in a room and forcing your johnson down her throat
>> is something else.
>> one incident, give him the benefit. several incidents and it's
>> him.
>
> I disagree with that, and the NFL must as well. Otherwise, if they really
> did conclude that he did it, they would've thrown him out.
>


6 games is a lot of games. roughly 1/3rd the season.
next time it will be longer.


== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 11:48 am
From: "Ray OHara"

"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:_PSdnUHBhbkhzk3WnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> under drinking age and he was plying her with booze.
>> there is the other incident still pending.
>> it says at the very least that he's not very smooth.
>>
>>
>
> So then she wasn't underage. He was "forcing himself" on a girl, which is
> perfectly legal.


forcing oneself on women isn't legal no matter what their age.
buying booze for people under 21 is illegal.


== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 11:59 am
From: MZ


Ray OHara wrote:
> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
> news:_PSdnUHBhbkhzk3WnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> under drinking age and he was plying her with booze.
>>> there is the other incident still pending.
>>> it says at the very least that he's not very smooth.
>>>
>>>
>> So then she wasn't underage. He was "forcing himself" on a girl, which is
>> perfectly legal.
>
>
> forcing oneself on women isn't legal no matter what their age.

I kept the phrase in quotes. There doesn't appear to be any evidence
that he physically forced himself on a girl.


> buying booze for people under 21 is illegal.

Which, according to Goodell, is not what he was suspended 6 games for.

I'm curious...has the bar had its liquor license pulled yet?


== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 12:03 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 22, 2:59 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Ray OHara wrote:
> > "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote in message
> >news:_PSdnUHBhbkhzk3WnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >>> under drinking age and he was plying her with booze.
> >>> there is the other incident still pending.
> >>> it says at the very least that he's not very smooth.
>
> >> So then she wasn't underage.  He was "forcing himself" on a girl, which is
> >> perfectly legal.
>
> > forcing oneself on women isn't legal no matter what their age.
>
> I kept the phrase in quotes.  There doesn't appear to be any evidence
> that he physically forced himself on a girl.
>
> > buying booze for people under 21 is illegal.
>
> Which, according to Goodell, is not what he was suspended 6 games for.
>
> I'm curious...has the bar had its liquor license pulled yet?

if a person produces a false ID and it is accepted, is the bar at
fault ??? i dont know what the law is in that case... anyone know ???


== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 12:04 pm
From: MZ


Michael wrote:
> On Apr 22, 2:59 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Ray OHara wrote:
>>> "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote in message
>>> news:_PSdnUHBhbkhzk3WnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> under drinking age and he was plying her with booze.
>>>>> there is the other incident still pending.
>>>>> it says at the very least that he's not very smooth.
>>>> So then she wasn't underage. He was "forcing himself" on a girl, which is
>>>> perfectly legal.
>>> forcing oneself on women isn't legal no matter what their age.
>> I kept the phrase in quotes. There doesn't appear to be any evidence
>> that he physically forced himself on a girl.
>>
>>> buying booze for people under 21 is illegal.
>> Which, according to Goodell, is not what he was suspended 6 games for.
>>
>> I'm curious...has the bar had its liquor license pulled yet?
>
> if a person produces a false ID and it is accepted, is the bar at
> fault ??? i dont know what the law is in that case... anyone know ???

I don't either. But apparently Roethlisberger is at fault.


== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 12:13 pm
From: Johnctx


Michael wrote:
> On Apr 22, 2:59 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Ray OHara wrote:
>>> "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote in message
>>> news:_PSdnUHBhbkhzk3WnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> under drinking age and he was plying her with booze.
>>>>> there is the other incident still pending.
>>>>> it says at the very least that he's not very smooth.
>>>> So then she wasn't underage. He was "forcing himself" on a girl, which is
>>>> perfectly legal.
>>> forcing oneself on women isn't legal no matter what their age.
>> I kept the phrase in quotes. There doesn't appear to be any evidence
>> that he physically forced himself on a girl.
>>
>>> buying booze for people under 21 is illegal.
>> Which, according to Goodell, is not what he was suspended 6 games for.
>>
>> I'm curious...has the bar had its liquor license pulled yet?
>
> if a person produces a false ID and it is accepted, is the bar at
> fault ??? i dont know what the law is in that case... anyone know ???

In TX the liability is not only on the bar but the server. It is their
job to check ID. It is also a crime to show fake proof.


== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 12:22 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 22, 3:04 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > On Apr 22, 2:59 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> Ray OHara wrote:
> >>> "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote in message
> >>>news:_PSdnUHBhbkhzk3WnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >>>>> under drinking age and he was plying her with booze.
> >>>>> there is the other incident still pending.
> >>>>> it says at the very least that he's not very smooth.
> >>>> So then she wasn't underage.  He was "forcing himself" on a girl, which is
> >>>> perfectly legal.
> >>> forcing oneself on women isn't legal no matter what their age.
> >> I kept the phrase in quotes.  There doesn't appear to be any evidence
> >> that he physically forced himself on a girl.
>
> >>> buying booze for people under 21 is illegal.
> >> Which, according to Goodell, is not what he was suspended 6 games for.
>
> >> I'm curious...has the bar had its liquor license pulled yet?
>
> > if a person produces a false ID and it is accepted, is the bar at
> > fault ??? i dont know what the law is in that case... anyone know ???
>
> I don't either.  But apparently Roethlisberger is at fault.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

i guess he would be at fault if he knew the girls were under 21. i
have not seen any reports or commentary about that. did those girls
identify themselves to ben as being under 21 ??? if they are in a bar
drinking, is it OK if ben just takes it for granted that they are 21
or over or does he need to card them too ??? i remember when i was in
college from time to time high school sr's would try to get into frat
parties by telling people at the door they were college students.
suppose some unknowing person hooked up with one of them thinking they
were college age. would a college kid be at fault if they would up
sleeping with some twitt posing as a student ???


== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 12:29 pm
From: MZ


Michael wrote:
> On Apr 22, 3:04 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> On Apr 22, 2:59 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>> Ray OHara wrote:
>>>>> "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote in message
>>>>> news:_PSdnUHBhbkhzk3WnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>> under drinking age and he was plying her with booze.
>>>>>>> there is the other incident still pending.
>>>>>>> it says at the very least that he's not very smooth.
>>>>>> So then she wasn't underage. He was "forcing himself" on a girl, which is
>>>>>> perfectly legal.
>>>>> forcing oneself on women isn't legal no matter what their age.
>>>> I kept the phrase in quotes. There doesn't appear to be any evidence
>>>> that he physically forced himself on a girl.
>>>>> buying booze for people under 21 is illegal.
>>>> Which, according to Goodell, is not what he was suspended 6 games for.
>>>> I'm curious...has the bar had its liquor license pulled yet?
>>> if a person produces a false ID and it is accepted, is the bar at
>>> fault ??? i dont know what the law is in that case... anyone know ???
>> I don't either. But apparently Roethlisberger is at fault.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> i guess he would be at fault if he knew the girls were under 21. i
> have not seen any reports or commentary about that. did those girls
> identify themselves to ben as being under 21 ??? if they are in a bar
> drinking, is it OK if ben just takes it for granted that they are 21
> or over or does he need to card them too ??? i remember when i was in
> college from time to time high school sr's would try to get into frat
> parties by telling people at the door they were college students.
> suppose some unknowing person hooked up with one of them thinking they
> were college age. would a college kid be at fault if they would up
> sleeping with some twitt posing as a student ???

All tough questions, Michael. A lot of times it seems these things are
left to the discretion of the DA and how hard the girl wants to push
things. In a celeb case like this one, it goes back to what John was
saying about overzealous DAs.

I don't think it's reasonable to ask Roethlisberger to card girls in a
bar. That should be the server's job.

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TOPIC: Pats Draft
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/49817dceb70190a3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 1:28 pm
From: "Ron W."


From all the reports that I am hearing, the Pats are looking to trade DOWN!
If they leave either Kindle or Graham on the board and do that, I will flip
out!
Let's not get someone that we would have to pay too much, now. Get value!


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TOPIC: Here Comes Clausen Bitches!!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/6e5aa83eb781e726?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 3:46 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


Jimmy "the Pickle" Clausen will dominate the hapless Pats!!

mr dude


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:53 pm
From: CalC


On Apr 22, 6:46 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
<foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jimmy "the Pickle" Clausen will dominate the hapless Pats!!
>
> mr dude

Really who's he gonna play for?

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TOPIC: Obama Care For Pets
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 4:44 pm
From: "Nunya Bidnits"

"mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0cf85202-d9bc-495a-abe2-fd9bb3547cfe@b33g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 20, 10:34 am, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
september.invalid> wrote:

>
> That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. If you made that correlation to
> begin with I will gladly buy you an session at your local public mental
> health center for review of substantial delusions.

Substitute "dog" with "granny" and you should get the picture.

mr dude
-----------

I get the picture that it's the stupidest thing I've read all week.
Different week, same result, from the same hysterical wanker.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 5:28 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Apr 22, 7:44 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
september.invalid> wrote:

>
> I get the picture that it's the stupidest thing I've read all week.
> Different week, same result, from the same hysterical wanker.


Have you ever had your reading comprehension skills evaluated by your
psychiatrist??

It seems pretty cut and dried to me.

mr dude


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TOPIC: Traded
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/72447d1867685d50?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:47 pm
From: "Ray OHara"


fuck me.
the pats have some major holes. how about filling onme with a quality guy.


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:52 pm
From: CalC


On Apr 22, 9:47 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> fuck me.
> the pats have some major holes. how about filling onme with a quality guy.

Easy Knute O'Hara they traded down 2 picks....


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:02 pm
From: "Len"


"CalC" <calcarpenter1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f9aa5ff7-b04f-4fa3-886b-a569cf78e518@d34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 22, 9:47 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> fuck me.
>> the pats have some major holes. how about filling onme with a quality
>> guy.
>
> Easy Knute O'Hara they traded down 2 picks....

And just traded down again.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:02 pm
From: CalC


On Apr 22, 9:52 pm, CalC <calcarpent...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 22, 9:47 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmaeil.com> wrote:
>
> > fuck me.
> > the pats have some major holes. how about filling onme with a quality guy.
>
> Easy Knute O'Hara they traded down 2 picks....

Even better they trade 5 spots down...will likely still get the guy
they want plus in total they grab a free 3rd round pick.


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:42 pm
From: CalC


On Apr 22, 10:02 pm, "Len" <lbertr...@gwi.net> wrote:
> "CalC" <calcarpent...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f9aa5ff7-b04f-4fa3-886b-a569cf78e518@d34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 22, 9:47 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> fuck me.
> >> the pats have some major holes. how about filling onme with a quality
> >> guy.
>
> > Easy Knute O'Hara they traded down 2 picks....
>
> And just traded down again.

For the guy they picked they could have traded down 4 more times
too.......I don't like passing on Kindle at all....this guy had better
be a player because forget Bellichick's picks his LB non picks that
he's passed on have proven to be a pretty decent bunch the last 3
years and Kindle could join that group.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:50 pm
From: "Ray OHara"

"CalC" <calcarpenter1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:72c40b57-b862-4fd7-a150-f77bf7c3a0a3@j17g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 22, 10:02 pm, "Len" <lbertr...@gwi.net> wrote:
> "CalC" <calcarpent...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f9aa5ff7-b04f-4fa3-886b-a569cf78e518@d34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 22, 9:47 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> fuck me.
> >> the pats have some major holes. how about filling onme with a quality
> >> guy.
>
> > Easy Knute O'Hara they traded down 2 picks....
>
> And just traded down again.

For the guy they picked they could have traded down 4 more times
too.......I don't like passing on Kindle at all....this guy had better
be a player because forget Bellichick's picks his LB non picks that
he's passed on have proven to be a pretty decent bunch the last 3
years and Kindle could join that group.


=======================================================================

Yeah a CB . a good one is hard to find. this guy better pan out.
I was sure they saw Kindle was safe for them. I thought LBs were a need,

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TOPIC: WHY EVEN HAVE A FIRST ROUND PICK?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/620697886b73dbaa?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:23 pm
From: Tamara


Passing up on Dez Bryant will come back to haunt the Patriots, and
don't count on the Pats ever using that first rounder they got for
Seymour.

Belifuck draft genius? yeh right!!! cheap cocksuckers more like it!!!


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TOPIC: YEA!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/eb98fcf77e79da59?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:24 pm
From: Eüphy


It's gonna be Kindle... take it to the bank.

Ü


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Today's topics:

* Will Tony Dungy help Big Ben ??? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/57730cd27294070f?hl=en
* Seahawks did great - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4a0d931af628d996?hl=en
* Damn Bills - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/62ed277b82f65798?hl=en
* Mock picks, AFC East - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d68b154741c9d70e?hl=en
* Jets reported to be shopping Faneca - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/b46c57ae92075c5e?hl=en
* clausen? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/98e1f7c37114e779?hl=en
* Green Bay- Bulaga - 7 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/88399f703b74cfaa?hl=en
* Denver.... Tebow in the first round - 7 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/00f389ece341a2f5?hl=en
* The fucked us again. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8a7f2bfc318dbab9?hl=en

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TOPIC: Will Tony Dungy help Big Ben ???
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/57730cd27294070f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:02 pm
From: Beiselbub©


On Apr 22, 6:27 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:9815a49a-9f30-4928-98aa-d579a2fedf33@i37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 22, 10:12 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Tony Dungy is a good man. He understands that people deserve a second
> > chance. We should never throw away a human being. Do you think Tony
> > Dungy will step in to help counsel and mentor Big Ben in his time of
> > need ???
>
> No takers, huh ???  I wonder why Ben is getting NOTHING but venom
> coming his way
>
> ========================================================================
>
> being a rapist has that effect.
> if he wasn't Big Ben he'd been in jail.

Exactly. Ben is a serial dirtbag.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:04 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 22, 8:27 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:9815a49a-9f30-4928-98aa-d579a2fedf33@i37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 22, 10:12 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Tony Dungy is a good man. He understands that people deserve a second
> > chance. We should never throw away a human being. Do you think Tony
> > Dungy will step in to help counsel and mentor Big Ben in his time of
> > need ???
>
> No takers, huh ???  I wonder why Ben is getting NOTHING but venom
> coming his way
>
> ========================================================================
>
> being a rapist has that effect.
> if he wasn't Big Ben he'd been in jail.

ray, i dont think he's a rapist... both the stories are real
questionable... he's just a dirt bag... i'm just wondering why he's
getting no love from anyone... vick did worse stuff and he had a
respected and upstanding guy in dungy stepping in to help. the only
help and support ben got was from the commish in the form of forced
psyc evaluation...

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TOPIC: Seahawks did great
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4a0d931af628d996?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:09 pm
From: Michael


So far Pete Carol's Seattle are cleaning up. Two excellent picks.
Thomas will be a pro bowler I think. I figued they would go for
Clausen... Bzzzzzt !

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TOPIC: Damn Bills
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/62ed277b82f65798?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:19 pm
From: MZ


UnixUser wrote:
> Didn't want Spiller in the AFC East.. He is damn good.

Fortunately, they can only have one RB on the field at a time. That
leaves their only other talented players on the bench. It really wasn't
a very smart pick for them.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:22 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 22, 9:19 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> UnixUser wrote:
> > Didn't want Spiller in the AFC East.. He is damn good.
>
> Fortunately, they can only have one RB on the field at a time.  That
> leaves their only other talented players on the bench.  It really wasn't
> a very smart pick for them.

mark... i agree... the second worst pick thus far with the worst being
san diego, IMHO. but, the bills pick is consistent with what we can
get used to expecting from galey, a world class loser like his
predecessor jauron

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TOPIC: Mock picks, AFC East
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d68b154741c9d70e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:25 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 22, 4:25 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Apr 22, 4:17 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Michael wrote:
> > > On Apr 22, 3:41 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> > >> This link has all the "experts" picks.
>
> > >>http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/12936/we-walked-a-mile-in-t...
>
> > >> Thursday, April 22, 2010
> > >> We walked a mile in these mockasins
> > >> By Tim Graham
> > >> ESPN.com
>
> > >> Finally, it's draft day.
>
> > >> Time for one last AFC East mock roundup for you to mull over.
>
> > >> These are the latest projections from ESPN's Mel Kiper, Todd McShay and
> > >> the Scouts Inc. crew, ESPN.com's NFL Blog Network, Dallas Morning News
> > >> writer Rick Gosselin, the NFL.com trio of Bucky Brooks, Charles Davis
> > >> and Pat Kirwan, the National Football Post's Wes Bunting, and the
> > >> CBSSports.com quartet of Clark Judge, Pete Prisco, Rob Rang and Chad Reuter.
>
> > >> No. 9 Buffalo Bills
>
> > > I'd say they want Clausen, but I have a feeling Seattle will take him
> > > first.  I figure the Bills will take Clausen of Seattle does not.  If
> > > Seattle takes Clausen, I think Galey will take an offensive line guy.
> > > Bulaga or Davis. My money is on Bulaga.
>
> > Michael, Seattle just gave up decent value for Whitehurst.  I think
> > they'll look somewhere other than QB unless they move Hasselbeck.
>
> I know all about Whithurst.  Pete Carol likes Clausen a lot and I'm
> sure Carol knows Whithurst is not a bonafied franchise QB.  I bet
> Carol has been telling Galey that Clausen is a Flake.
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> No. 12 Miami Dolphins
>
> > > <SNIP>
>
> > > The Fish need help on their d-line. I'd agree with Morgan or
> > > Williams.  My money is on Morgan as the guy they want
> > >> No. 22 New England Patriots
>
> > > The Pats above all need edge rushers.  They dont have to trade down
> > > because the already have a pile of picks.  They will go with the best
> > > 34 edge guy they can get.  Kindle or Odrick.  If both are available,
> > > my money is on Odrick as they guy they want.  Jets would like him too
> > > and I bet they know that :-)
>
> > I agree.  They need edge rushers and interior rushers, which Kindle and
> > Odrick fill.  I hear that Kindle is more of a prototypical OLB -- long
> > arms, stops the run -- and isn't quite as explosive as an edge rusher as
> > a guy like Graham.  I think they go Kindle.  They usually prefer set the
> > edge read-and-react kind of guys.
>
> > >> No. 29 New York Jets
>
> > > I got a feeling the Jets will be looking to trade up.  They will
> > > dangle Alan Faneca and Clemens as trade bait.  As it has been
> > > suggested that it would be silly to trade Faneca without a
> > > replacement, the Jets may very well be trying to land the highest
> > > rated guard in the draft, Mike Iupati.  He fits the Jets style of
> > > running to a T.  Nasty ass bastard that beats the piss out of d-line
> > > guys and blasts big holes.  They also want Odrick and Kindle.  If they
> > > cant trade up to snatch Iupati, I imagine they will wind up with who
> > > ever they have rated highest on their board.  My money is on a trade
> > > up deal with Faneca to get Iupati.
>
> > I'm still thinking Pouncey falls.  I really wish they'd go TE though,
> > because it's almost laughable watching Hartsock stay on the field for
> > almost an entire game.  Seeing Hartsock out there is like playing ball
> > when we were kids, and having one of the guys bring his kid brother to play.- Hide quoted text -
>
> I dont think it will be Pouncy... Given Iupati's power and vicious
> style of play, I think Rex is drooling.  I got a feeling he's really
> the guy they want bad.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

a total strike out for me here... dang...

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TOPIC: Jets reported to be shopping Faneca
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/b46c57ae92075c5e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:27 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 22, 7:26 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Tutor wrote:
>
> > Let's be realistic about Alan Faneca please. He is a rock solid run
> > blocker, particularly when he pulls right. It sure makes the Mangold-
> > Moore combo look great that Faneca is usually pulling there.
> > However... Alan is a huge liability in pass protection. Thank God
> > Sanchez is mobile. Faneca was a turnstile at times and he gets pushed
> > back constantly by the pass rush. It would not be a horrible thing to
> > replace Faneca with someone who can keep our Franchise QB sound. We
> > would sure miss him in the run game, but at his astronomical cost (not
> > so relevant in an uncapped season), it is certainly smart of the team
> > to consider replacing him or at least grooming his replacement (not
> > Slauson, please) sooner than later.
>
> If they draft a starting-caliber guard, it's also not unreasonable to
> think that they could use Faneca a lot as a second TE in tight sets,
> similar to how they used Hunter.  They could even set him in motion to
> lead block or to block across the line.

looks like i was wrong... iupati off the board now


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:31 pm
From: MZ


Michael wrote:
> On Apr 22, 7:26 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Tutor wrote:
>>
>>> Let's be realistic about Alan Faneca please. He is a rock solid run
>>> blocker, particularly when he pulls right. It sure makes the Mangold-
>>> Moore combo look great that Faneca is usually pulling there.
>>> However... Alan is a huge liability in pass protection. Thank God
>>> Sanchez is mobile. Faneca was a turnstile at times and he gets pushed
>>> back constantly by the pass rush. It would not be a horrible thing to
>>> replace Faneca with someone who can keep our Franchise QB sound. We
>>> would sure miss him in the run game, but at his astronomical cost (not
>>> so relevant in an uncapped season), it is certainly smart of the team
>>> to consider replacing him or at least grooming his replacement (not
>>> Slauson, please) sooner than later.
>> If they draft a starting-caliber guard, it's also not unreasonable to
>> think that they could use Faneca a lot as a second TE in tight sets,
>> similar to how they used Hunter. They could even set him in motion to
>> lead block or to block across the line.
>
> looks like i was wrong... iupati off the board now

And Pouncey..

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TOPIC: clausen?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/98e1f7c37114e779?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:42 pm
From: MZ


So will he be a Viking?


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:44 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 22, 9:42 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> So will he be a Viking?

i seen every nd game and felt clausen was the best qb in the draft...
for seattle, buf and sf to skip on him, he must be a real flake in
person. the vikes might just pass too... should be interesting

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TOPIC: Green Bay- Bulaga
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/88399f703b74cfaa?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:52 pm
From: Michael


Wanna bet bulaga winds up as a career guard ???


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:54 pm
From: MZ


Michael wrote:
> Wanna bet bulaga winds up as a career guard ???

Everyone knew they'd take him. Smart trade by New England because they
didn't need a tackle and they knew GB would take one.

BTW -- I love twitter, because you find out about what's going on in the
draft room before they say it on TV.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:55 pm
From: MZ


MZ wrote:
> Michael wrote:
>> Wanna bet bulaga winds up as a career guard ???
>
> Everyone knew they'd take him. Smart trade by New England because they
> didn't need a tackle and they knew GB would take one.
>
> BTW -- I love twitter, because you find out about what's going on in the
> draft room before they say it on TV.

BTW, I'm hoping for Odrick or Kindle here.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:57 pm
From: MZ


MZ wrote:
> MZ wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> Wanna bet bulaga winds up as a career guard ???
>>
>> Everyone knew they'd take him. Smart trade by New England because
>> they didn't need a tackle and they knew GB would take one.
>>
>> BTW -- I love twitter, because you find out about what's going on in
>> the draft room before they say it on TV.
>
> BTW, I'm hoping for Odrick or Kindle here.

Twitter is reporting another trade.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 6:59 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 22, 9:57 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> MZ wrote:
> > MZ wrote:
> >> Michael wrote:
> >>> Wanna bet bulaga winds up as a career guard ???
>
> >> Everyone knew they'd take him.  Smart trade by New England because
> >> they didn't need a tackle and they knew GB would take one.
>
> >> BTW -- I love twitter, because you find out about what's going on in
> >> the draft room before they say it on TV.
>
> > BTW, I'm hoping for Odrick or Kindle here.
>
> Twitter is reporting another trade.

Bwaaaaahahahahahhahaha.... Dallas takes Dez...


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:02 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 22, 9:55 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> MZ wrote:
> > Michael wrote:
> >> Wanna bet bulaga winds up as a career guard ???
>
> > Everyone knew they'd take him.  Smart trade by New England because they
> > didn't need a tackle and they knew GB would take one.
>
> > BTW -- I love twitter, because you find out about what's going on in the
> > draft room before they say it on TV.
>
> BTW, I'm hoping for Odrick or Kindle here.

They will still get one of them even with the trade to Dallas... Smart
move by Pats camp... The can get their edge rusher and another pick
as if they needed more


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:05 pm
From: MZ


Michael wrote:
> On Apr 22, 9:55 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> MZ wrote:
>>> Michael wrote:
>>>> Wanna bet bulaga winds up as a career guard ???
>>> Everyone knew they'd take him. Smart trade by New England because they
>>> didn't need a tackle and they knew GB would take one.
>>> BTW -- I love twitter, because you find out about what's going on in the
>>> draft room before they say it on TV.
>> BTW, I'm hoping for Odrick or Kindle here.
>
> They will still get one of them even with the trade to Dallas... Smart
> move by Pats camp... The can get their edge rusher and another pick
> as if they needed more

That trade moves them from the 4th round into the 3rd round. They had
another 4th already (from the first trade) but they didn't have a 3rd,
so it makes sense. Also, earlier today Belichick said that he feels
that this draft is deep into the beginning of the third round, so
they'll probably use that pick for that reason. Not bad, but I'm
concerned that the Ravens will take a front 7 player.

The Jets can get Odrick if he continues to fall.

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TOPIC: Denver.... Tebow in the first round
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:07 pm
From: Michael


You gotta be kiddin' me... They blew that pick out their ass


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:09 pm
From: MZ


Michael wrote:
> You gotta be kiddin' me... They blew that pick out their ass

I tend to agree. BUT...if anyone can get something out of Tebow, it's
McDaniels. You never know.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:11 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 22, 10:09 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > You gotta be kiddin' me... They blew that pick out their ass
>
> I tend to agree.  BUT...if anyone can get something out of Tebow, it's
> McDaniels.  You never know.

Tebow has a wind up like Randy Johnson for heck sake...


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:17 pm
From: MZ


Michael wrote:
> On Apr 22, 10:09 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> You gotta be kiddin' me... They blew that pick out their ass
>> I tend to agree. BUT...if anyone can get something out of Tebow, it's
>> McDaniels. You never know.
>
> Tebow has a wind up like Randy Johnson for heck sake...

The guy definitely has some shortcomings. But think of it this way...
McDaniels turned a crap QB like Cassel into a productive one. Tebow is
better. McDaniels was a QB coach so if anyone's equipped to do it, it's
him. He's a very dynamic offensive playcaller, loves the wildcat (his
version is a bit different), runs a spread offense, and has been very
productive running "dink and dunk" kind of offenses. I think he could
actually be successful in Denver.

I just don't think they needed to trade up for him.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:22 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 22, 10:17 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > On Apr 22, 10:09 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> Michael wrote:
> >>> You gotta be kiddin' me... They blew that pick out their ass
> >> I tend to agree.  BUT...if anyone can get something out of Tebow, it's
> >> McDaniels.  You never know.
>
> > Tebow has a wind up like Randy Johnson for heck sake...
>
> The guy definitely has some shortcomings.  But think of it this way...
> McDaniels turned a crap QB like Cassel into a productive one.  Tebow is
> better.  McDaniels was a QB coach so if anyone's equipped to do it, it's
> him.  He's a very dynamic offensive playcaller, loves the wildcat (his
> version is a bit different), runs a spread offense, and has been very
> productive running "dink and dunk" kind of offenses.  I think he could
> actually be successful in Denver.
>
> I just don't think they needed to trade up for him.

I know Josh is the second coming of Henning as far as QB development,
but you cant stop a Penguin from waddling when he walks. Tebow IMHO
is further away from being an NFL QB than Kellen Clemens is


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:23 pm
From: MZ


Michael wrote:
> On Apr 22, 10:17 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> On Apr 22, 10:09 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>> You gotta be kiddin' me... They blew that pick out their ass
>>>> I tend to agree. BUT...if anyone can get something out of Tebow, it's
>>>> McDaniels. You never know.
>>> Tebow has a wind up like Randy Johnson for heck sake...
>> The guy definitely has some shortcomings. But think of it this way...
>> McDaniels turned a crap QB like Cassel into a productive one. Tebow is
>> better. McDaniels was a QB coach so if anyone's equipped to do it, it's
>> him. He's a very dynamic offensive playcaller, loves the wildcat (his
>> version is a bit different), runs a spread offense, and has been very
>> productive running "dink and dunk" kind of offenses. I think he could
>> actually be successful in Denver.
>>
>> I just don't think they needed to trade up for him.
>
> I know Josh is the second coming of Henning as far as QB development,
> but you cant stop a Penguin from waddling when he walks. Tebow IMHO
> is further away from being an NFL QB than Kellen Clemens is

BTW, if you're looking for someone pissed off, it's me right now.
Another CB???


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:24 pm
From: Michael


On Apr 22, 10:23 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > On Apr 22, 10:17 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> Michael wrote:
> >>> On Apr 22, 10:09 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >>>> Michael wrote:
> >>>>> You gotta be kiddin' me... They blew that pick out their ass
> >>>> I tend to agree.  BUT...if anyone can get something out of Tebow, it's
> >>>> McDaniels.  You never know.
> >>> Tebow has a wind up like Randy Johnson for heck sake...
> >> The guy definitely has some shortcomings.  But think of it this way...
> >> McDaniels turned a crap QB like Cassel into a productive one.  Tebow is
> >> better.  McDaniels was a QB coach so if anyone's equipped to do it, it's
> >> him.  He's a very dynamic offensive playcaller, loves the wildcat (his
> >> version is a bit different), runs a spread offense, and has been very
> >> productive running "dink and dunk" kind of offenses.  I think he could
> >> actually be successful in Denver.
>
> >> I just don't think they needed to trade up for him.
>
> > I know Josh is the second coming of Henning as far as QB development,
> > but you cant stop a Penguin from waddling when he walks.  Tebow IMHO
> > is further away from being an NFL QB than Kellen Clemens is
>
> BTW, if you're looking for someone pissed off, it's me right now.
> Another CB???- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

WHAT THE FUCK ?!?!? No edge rusher ????

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 7:25 pm
From: Still Roper


I think Mccourty would have been a Jet with the next pick...

Good on ya Pats! Now fuck off.


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