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* Was your mother a prostitue ??? - 16 messages, 8 authors
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TOPIC: Was your mother a prostitue ???
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2d52929d4377e50e?hl=en
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== 1 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 11:05 pm
From: "Ray OHara"
"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:3d6dncygBZklfkXWnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> ok.... when a coach or player uses profanity at practice or on the
>> sidelines/field during a game, can Goodell fine them ??? Lots of
>> people find profanity offensive. What about when Tuna calls Kerry
>> Glenn "she". Should he be fined ??? What about trash talk on the
>> field ??? Fine Ray Lewis for trying to intimidate other players ???
>
> FWIW, Dez wasn't a member of the Miami Dolphins, or the NFL for that
> matter.
>
> I'm not saying I support a fine, BTW. I just think since the NFL has a
> stick up its ass about its "image", it would be consistent to fine him for
> this.
I doubt there will be any fines.
being ignorant isn't against thr rules.
but I could see the Fish taking action just for PR sake.
and as someone mentioned up thread, Bryant is to be commended for not
twisting the man into a pretzel.
== 2 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 6:01 am
From: Johnctx
> Dead on...and if somebody in a really decent corporation did this...they
> would get fired. Ireland should get the axe. Period.
Agreed, he is a huge moron. I hope the kid has a great career.
I wonder if teams passed on him hearing he was a "problem" at that
interview. Did this interview cost the guy money?
== 3 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 6:32 am
From: "Remy McSwain"
In
news:9a53075d-cb54-419d-ac91-00d3c092457f@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com,
Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2:40 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> Good question ???
>>
>> Goodell loves throwing punishment around. Is there a fine in
>> Ireland's future?
>
> this one is gonna be interesting... how can it be determined that
> ireland was out of line ??? after all.. what did old bill
> parcells say ??? what do you get when you squeez and orange.
> you could make a case that it was a legit tactic to see how a
> questionable guy will act when provoked.
If that was the case, the GM would've, or at least should've, said
so at the end of the interview. And even then, I think it was
totally out of line. Nah, I think the GM is an idot, plain and
simple.
== 4 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 6:34 am
From: "Remy McSwain"
In news:6O6dnf2hJ7qzHkTWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com,
Johnctx <jc@spamtx.net> wrote:
>> Dead on...and if somebody in a really decent corporation did
>> this...they would get fired. Ireland should get the axe.
>> Period.
>
> Agreed, he is a huge moron. I hope the kid has a great career.
>
> I wonder if teams passed on him hearing he was a "problem" at
> that interview. Did this interview cost the guy money?
What makes you think he was a problem at the interview?
== 5 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 6:41 am
From: Johnctx
Remy McSwain wrote:
> In news:6O6dnf2hJ7qzHkTWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com,
> Johnctx <jc@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>> Dead on...and if somebody in a really decent corporation did
>>> this...they would get fired. Ireland should get the axe.
>>> Period.
>> Agreed, he is a huge moron. I hope the kid has a great career.
>>
>> I wonder if teams passed on him hearing he was a "problem" at
>> that interview. Did this interview cost the guy money?
>
> What makes you think he was a problem at the interview?
>
>
I don't know that. That is why I put it in quotes.
Agents tear down other players they don't represent. I am just
thinking out loud but if Ireland opened his piehole to anyone that thi
skid is bad. He is not only a moron but a bad guy.
== 6 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 7:24 am
From: Michael
On Apr 28, 11:32 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>
> news:harlan-45083D.20101528042010@news60.forteinc.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <9a53075d-cb54-419d-ac91-00d3c0924...@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Apr 28, 2:40 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> > Michael wrote:
> >> > > Good question ???
>
> >> > Goodell loves throwing punishment around. Is there a fine in Ireland's
> >> > future?
>
> >> this one is gonna be interesting... how can it be determined that
> >> ireland was out of line ??? after all.. what did old bill parcells
> >> say ??? what do you get when you squeez and orange. you could make a
> >> case that it was a legit tactic to see how a questionable guy will act
> >> when provoked.
>
> > Michael, if Goodell is not a complete idiot it is easy.
>
> > He can compare this question to the HR policies of any major
> > organization or company. It would not be allowed.
>
> > More importantly, I thought the Fish were planning to draft Dez himself,
> > not his mother. Questions about his Mom or immediate family have no
> > relevance to an interview.
>
> > If his mom were interviewing for a job, there is a way to ask the
> > question. How is his Mom's drug use, sex life, or business supposed to
> > influence a grown man?
>
> > Give him a personality test if one wants but this was offensive.
>
> > And, Ireland deserves a suspension and fine for this or there is truly a
> > double standard.
>
> > harlan
>
> Dead on...and if somebody in a really decent corporation did this...they
> would get fired. Ireland should get the axe. Period.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ireland is know for being an intelligent and effective manager that
has been a big part in brining the Fish back from basement. There has
never been a single instance of impropriety reported about his
dealings as GM of the Dolphins. Nothing at all off color in his past
either professional or personal. Dez has been reported to be a
distraction, a fool, uneducated, unintelligent, a self important self
aggrandizing distraction of a player that works hard when he feels
like it. This behavior is reported to have been a constant for his
entire college career. Non stop.
Ireland has one questionable moment and you say he should get the
axe. At the same time, the rest of the world sends Dez well wishes
for his career and commends him for not choosing violence.
Consider that Ireland did not ask him something like "Is your mother a
cheap crack whore". May be Ireland had questions about Dez's
character and he wanted to see if Dez had moved on from a very tuff
start in life with balance and dignity. Asking about his Mother's
past including such a hard question as the prostitution thing IMHO is
not off limits nor is it an unfair or question. Remember... The team
that drafts him is paying millions and risking a lot.
== 7 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 8:04 am
From: Michael
On Apr 28, 8:10 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <9a53075d-cb54-419d-ac91-00d3c0924...@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Apr 28, 2:40 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> > > Michael wrote:
> > > > Good question ???
>
> > > Goodell loves throwing punishment around. Is there a fine in Ireland's
> > > future?
>
> > this one is gonna be interesting... how can it be determined that
> > ireland was out of line ??? after all.. what did old bill parcells
> > say ??? what do you get when you squeez and orange. you could make a
> > case that it was a legit tactic to see how a questionable guy will act
> > when provoked.
>
> Michael, if Goodell is not a complete idiot it is easy.
>
> He can compare this question to the HR policies of any major
> organization or company. It would not be allowed.
Harlan...
We are talking about football players and the NFL, not Morgan Stanley
and an exec they are interviewing. The expected decorum is a bit
different, no ??? If you bust Ireland using those corporate standards,
than you can beef ANYONE in the NFL for such behavior while on the
job. That means at practice and on the field. Consider the things
that coaches say to players when they are drilling on the field at
practice. Consider the shit talk during a game. If I went to one of
my coworkers now and told him "Hey you mother****R !!!! When I get
back out there I'm gonna kick your F*****G ASS !!!!" I'd say I'd be
in big trouble. If you did that in the NFL, you'd be lauded and get
on the highlights. If Parcells yells at a player at practice "You
piece of chicken shit... He's not a f****ing girl.... Hit Him !!!"
That would make Parcells a tuff and salty coach. If a boss said that
to a guy in a corporate office... He'd be in deep shit. Again... The
NFL is not the corporate world. Dez was not interviewing for an exec
position at Morgan Stanley. No way can you seta precedent to hold the
NFL to those standards. The only ones that would like that are the
lawyers.
== 8 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 8:05 am
From: MZ
Michael wrote:
> On Apr 28, 11:32 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:harlan-45083D.20101528042010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> In article
>>> <9a53075d-cb54-419d-ac91-00d3c0924...@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 28, 2:40 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>> Good question ???
>>>>> Goodell loves throwing punishment around. Is there a fine in Ireland's
>>>>> future?
>>>> this one is gonna be interesting... how can it be determined that
>>>> ireland was out of line ??? after all.. what did old bill parcells
>>>> say ??? what do you get when you squeez and orange. you could make a
>>>> case that it was a legit tactic to see how a questionable guy will act
>>>> when provoked.
>>> Michael, if Goodell is not a complete idiot it is easy.
>>> He can compare this question to the HR policies of any major
>>> organization or company. It would not be allowed.
>>> More importantly, I thought the Fish were planning to draft Dez himself,
>>> not his mother. Questions about his Mom or immediate family have no
>>> relevance to an interview.
>>> If his mom were interviewing for a job, there is a way to ask the
>>> question. How is his Mom's drug use, sex life, or business supposed to
>>> influence a grown man?
>>> Give him a personality test if one wants but this was offensive.
>>> And, Ireland deserves a suspension and fine for this or there is truly a
>>> double standard.
>>> harlan
>> Dead on...and if somebody in a really decent corporation did this...they
>> would get fired. Ireland should get the axe. Period.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Ireland is know for being an intelligent and effective manager that
> has been a big part in brining the Fish back from basement. There has
> never been a single instance of impropriety reported about his
> dealings as GM of the Dolphins. Nothing at all off color in his past
> either professional or personal. Dez has been reported to be a
> distraction, a fool, uneducated, unintelligent, a self important self
> aggrandizing distraction of a player that works hard when he feels
> like it. This behavior is reported to have been a constant for his
> entire college career. Non stop.
>
> Ireland has one questionable moment and you say he should get the
> axe. At the same time, the rest of the world sends Dez well wishes
> for his career and commends him for not choosing violence.
>
> Consider that Ireland did not ask him something like "Is your mother a
> cheap crack whore". May be Ireland had questions about Dez's
> character and he wanted to see if Dez had moved on from a very tuff
> start in life with balance and dignity. Asking about his Mother's
> past including such a hard question as the prostitution thing IMHO is
> not off limits nor is it an unfair or question. Remember... The team
> that drafts him is paying millions and risking a lot.
Figures.
== 9 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 8:10 am
From: Michael
On Apr 29, 11:05 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
<SNIP>
>Figures.
Can you expand on that ???
== 10 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 9:12 am
From: Deadmeat
On 4/28/2010 5:03 PM, Johnctx wrote:
> Tutor wrote:
>> On Apr 28, 12:22 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Good question ???
>>
>> Ireland was just trying to find out if Dez had anything in common with
>> the large majority of Dolphin fans.
>>
>
> You are only a prostitute if you are paid.
Your mom tell you that?
== 11 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 9:31 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:e60cdaa5-b1e0-40db-90ae-3937c08423f4@l32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 28, 11:32 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>
> news:harlan-45083D.20101528042010@news60.forteinc.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <9a53075d-cb54-419d-ac91-00d3c0924...@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Apr 28, 2:40 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> > Michael wrote:
> >> > > Good question ???
>
> >> > Goodell loves throwing punishment around. Is there a fine in
> >> > Ireland's
> >> > future?
>
> >> this one is gonna be interesting... how can it be determined that
> >> ireland was out of line ??? after all.. what did old bill parcells
> >> say ??? what do you get when you squeez and orange. you could make a
> >> case that it was a legit tactic to see how a questionable guy will act
> >> when provoked.
>
> > Michael, if Goodell is not a complete idiot it is easy.
>
> > He can compare this question to the HR policies of any major
> > organization or company. It would not be allowed.
>
> > More importantly, I thought the Fish were planning to draft Dez himself,
> > not his mother. Questions about his Mom or immediate family have no
> > relevance to an interview.
>
> > If his mom were interviewing for a job, there is a way to ask the
> > question. How is his Mom's drug use, sex life, or business supposed to
> > influence a grown man?
>
> > Give him a personality test if one wants but this was offensive.
>
> > And, Ireland deserves a suspension and fine for this or there is truly a
> > double standard.
>
> > harlan
>
> Dead on...and if somebody in a really decent corporation did this...they
> would get fired. Ireland should get the axe. Period.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ireland is know for being an intelligent and effective manager that
has been a big part in brining the Fish back from basement. There has
never been a single instance of impropriety reported about his
dealings as GM of the Dolphins. Nothing at all off color in his past
either professional or personal. Dez has been reported to be a
distraction, a fool, uneducated, unintelligent, a self important self
aggrandizing distraction of a player that works hard when he feels
like it. This behavior is reported to have been a constant for his
entire college career. Non stop.
Ireland has one questionable moment and you say he should get the
axe. At the same time, the rest of the world sends Dez well wishes
for his career and commends him for not choosing violence.
Consider that Ireland did not ask him something like "Is your mother a
cheap crack whore". May be Ireland had questions about Dez's
character and he wanted to see if Dez had moved on from a very tuff
start in life with balance and dignity. Asking about his Mother's
past including such a hard question as the prostitution thing IMHO is
not off limits nor is it an unfair or question. Remember... The team
that drafts him is paying millions and risking a lot.
Learn how to read...I said if he worked for a reputable corporation that
values it's public image he would get fired...and YES...I think he should
get fired if he asked that question. That's just the way I am....I don't
like arrogant assholes.
== 12 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 9:34 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:a21dce62-17bb-4361-920b-12be50c32944@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 28, 8:10 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <9a53075d-cb54-419d-ac91-00d3c0924...@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Apr 28, 2:40 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> > > Michael wrote:
> > > > Good question ???
>
> > > Goodell loves throwing punishment around. Is there a fine in Ireland's
> > > future?
>
> > this one is gonna be interesting... how can it be determined that
> > ireland was out of line ??? after all.. what did old bill parcells
> > say ??? what do you get when you squeez and orange. you could make a
> > case that it was a legit tactic to see how a questionable guy will act
> > when provoked.
>
> Michael, if Goodell is not a complete idiot it is easy.
>
> He can compare this question to the HR policies of any major
> organization or company. It would not be allowed.
Harlan...
We are talking about football players and the NFL, not Morgan Stanley
and an exec they are interviewing. The expected decorum is a bit
different, no ??? If you bust Ireland using those corporate standards,
than you can beef ANYONE in the NFL for such behavior while on the
job. That means at practice and on the field. Consider the things
that coaches say to players when they are drilling on the field at
practice. Consider the shit talk during a game. If I went to one of
my coworkers now and told him "Hey you mother****R !!!! When I get
back out there I'm gonna kick your F*****G ASS !!!!" I'd say I'd be
in big trouble. If you did that in the NFL, you'd be lauded and get
on the highlights. If Parcells yells at a player at practice "You
piece of chicken shit... He's not a f****ing girl.... Hit Him !!!"
That would make Parcells a tuff and salty coach. If a boss said that
to a guy in a corporate office... He'd be in deep shit. Again... The
NFL is not the corporate world. Dez was not interviewing for an exec
position at Morgan Stanley. No way can you seta precedent to hold the
NFL to those standards. The only ones that would like that are the
lawyers.
Do you realize your double standard is really a "plantation mentality" ?
They are paying him to play football and that has a different set of ethical
standards than if they were going to pay him to be an executive...you can
treat the "player" one way and the "executive caliber" another, and higher
way?
== 13 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 9:51 am
From: Michael
On Apr 29, 12:31 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
<SNIP>
> Learn how to read...I said if he worked for a reputable corporation that
> values it's public image he would get fired...and YES...I think he should
> get fired if he asked that question. That's just the way I am....I don't
> like arrogant assholes.- Hide quoted text -
The Dolphins are not a reputable organization that values its public
image ??? You are considering that Ireland in an arrogant asshole yet
you did not whiteness the tenor of the interview for yourself ???
Arrogance bothers you, but a self important and self aggrandizing guy
like Dez is reported to be deserves your praise and well wishes ???
You stated in a former post that you would "BE DAMMED" before you
judge and discount a guy like Santonio or another player that commits
questionable acts time and again ??? Such a person as Santonion
deserves a second chance and should get his spot in an NFL team.
We'll understand the game they play and understand that due to
occupational influences, it could help to bring them to violence or
some other questionable act. But Ireland... Quite another story. He
should get the axe huh ??? No mitigating factors. No understand. No
second chances. Just your JUDGMENT that he is an arrogant asshole and
should get the axe. Brilliant.
== 14 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 9:55 am
From: Michael
On Apr 29, 12:34 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
<SNIP>
> Do you realize your double standard is really a "plantation mentality" ?
> They are paying him to play football and that has a different set of ethical
> standards than if they were going to pay him to be an executive...you can
> treat the "player" one way and the "executive caliber" another, and higher
> way?- Hide quoted text -
As of right now, I'm not convinced the question that Ireland asked was
off base considering the circumstances and the job he was applying
for.
== 15 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 1:43 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein
On Apr 28, 2:41 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2:32 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 28, 12:22 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > Good question ???
>
> > I give Dez all the credit in the world for not punching him out.
>
> if dez got physical, he would have blown his first round status. you
> know how the media would have played it. "troubled college nfl draft
> prospect dez bryant attacks dolphin's gm"
Oh I know that but still, it was pretty much an insult for him to say
that.
== 16 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 2:18 pm
From: Deadmeat
On 4/29/2010 12:55 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Apr 29, 12:34 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>
>> Do you realize your double standard is really a "plantation mentality" ?
>> They are paying him to play football and that has a different set of ethical
>> standards than if they were going to pay him to be an executive...you can
>> treat the "player" one way and the "executive caliber" another, and higher
>> way?- Hide quoted text -
>
> As of right now, I'm not convinced the question that Ireland asked was
> off base considering the circumstances and the job he was applying
> for.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/13327/wiley-on-ireland-teams-need-to-know
Wiley agrees with you.
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TOPIC: cowboys draft board leaked
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4e971eb8bd92bf83?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 5:45 am
From: Johnctx
MZ wrote:
> Johnctx wrote:
>> MZ wrote:
>>> http://dallascowboystimes.com/2010/04/cowboys-war-room-pictures-the-draft-board/
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks to our friends at Cowboys Zone, we acquired two pictures of
>>> the Cowboys' Draft War Room. The second of these provides an
>>> up-close glimpse of the Cowboys' draft board. Below is a list of the
>>> names we were able to decipher, along with the round and order in
>>> which the Cowboys graded that prospect. Note that, due to the
>>> positioning of Jerry's arm in the photo and the ineligibility of some
>>> of the names, this is not a comprehensive list.
>>
>> I wonder if any team has their video guy watching the draft in hope of
>> catching something like this?
>>
>> Also I don't know if it means anything but Dallas & the Jets had
>> Wilson rated over Devin McCourty & Kareem Jackson.
>
> We know Dallas did. The Jets did too? How do you know that?
Stop hitting me with logic or you will be sent away. You are correct as
we didn't have the chance.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 8:06 am
From: MZ
Johnctx wrote:
> MZ wrote:
>> Johnctx wrote:
>>> MZ wrote:
>>>> http://dallascowboystimes.com/2010/04/cowboys-war-room-pictures-the-draft-board/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to our friends at Cowboys Zone, we acquired two pictures of
>>>> the Cowboys' Draft War Room. The second of these provides an
>>>> up-close glimpse of the Cowboys' draft board. Below is a list of
>>>> the names we were able to decipher, along with the round and order
>>>> in which the Cowboys graded that prospect. Note that, due to the
>>>> positioning of Jerry's arm in the photo and the ineligibility of
>>>> some of the names, this is not a comprehensive list.
>>>
>>> I wonder if any team has their video guy watching the draft in hope
>>> of catching something like this?
>>>
>>> Also I don't know if it means anything but Dallas & the Jets had
>>> Wilson rated over Devin McCourty & Kareem Jackson.
>>
>> We know Dallas did. The Jets did too? How do you know that?
>
> Stop hitting me with logic or you will be sent away. You are correct as
> we didn't have the chance.
Haha I was hoping you found pics of Rex eating a hamburger in front of
the Jets draft board. Err...turkey burger now.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 8:56 am
From: graybeard
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:06:14 -0400 MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>Haha I was hoping you found pics of Rex eating a hamburger in front of
>the Jets draft board. Err...turkey burger now.
I've always wondered why a patty made of turkey or any other meat can't
be called a hamburger. After all, I've never actually seen a hamburger
made of ham. ;-)
--
graybeard
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 9:24 am
From: Johnctx
MZ wrote:
> Johnctx wrote:
>> MZ wrote:
>>> Johnctx wrote:
>>>> MZ wrote:
>>>>> http://dallascowboystimes.com/2010/04/cowboys-war-room-pictures-the-draft-board/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to our friends at Cowboys Zone, we acquired two pictures of
>>>>> the Cowboys' Draft War Room. The second of these provides an
>>>>> up-close glimpse of the Cowboys' draft board. Below is a list of
>>>>> the names we were able to decipher, along with the round and order
>>>>> in which the Cowboys graded that prospect. Note that, due to the
>>>>> positioning of Jerry's arm in the photo and the ineligibility of
>>>>> some of the names, this is not a comprehensive list.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if any team has their video guy watching the draft in hope
>>>> of catching something like this?
>>>>
>>>> Also I don't know if it means anything but Dallas & the Jets had
>>>> Wilson rated over Devin McCourty & Kareem Jackson.
>>>
>>> We know Dallas did. The Jets did too? How do you know that?
>>
>> Stop hitting me with logic or you will be sent away. You are correct
>> as we didn't have the chance.
>
> Haha I was hoping you found pics of Rex eating a hamburger in front of
> the Jets draft board. Err...turkey burger now.
No just me eating crow. Good catch you f***er.
:)
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TOPIC: UFA Tanner, Texas
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c10ce3397f7f2bbe?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 5:57 am
From: Johnctx
Harlan Lachman wrote:
> In article <htidncyNQuCy3UrWnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Johnctx <jc@spamtx.net> wrote:
>
>> A buddy I trust claims this kid from Texas might have some value. He
>> was also academic All Big 12 as well. When was the last time we found
>> an OL as a UFA?
>>
>> http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=1707
>>
>> Thus far unheralded offensive lineman Charlie Tanner has turned in a
>> terrific workout. Tanner started the day by completing 35 reps on the
>> bench, posted a vertical jump of 36 inches then ran his 40 in times as
>> fast as 5.06 seconds. His official average times for the two runs will
>> be in the range of 5.12 seconds. His ten yard split was 1.72 seconds.
>> Tanner¹s short shuttle time was also a very solid 4.55 seconds.
>>
>> 04/01/2010 - PRO DAY RESULTS: 79 scouts and coaches representing 30
>> teams (the Rams and Lions were the only two not represented), including
>> three head coaches, came together to watch. G Charlie Tanner (6-3 7/8,
>> 305) ran 5.20 and 5.12 in the 40. Tanner posted a 36-inch vertical jump,
>> a 9-foot, 3-inch broad jump and a 4.38-second short shuttle ??? all
>> numbers that would have put him in the top-10 amongst offensive linemen
>> at the combine. His vertical jump would have beaten out Oklahoma T Trent
>> Williams' top mark of 34 1/2 inches, while his 4.38-second short shuttle
>> would have shattered the best mark at the combine ??? a time of 4.51
>> second set by Arizona State OL Shawn Lauvao. Combined with a 5.20 and
>> 5.12 in the 40, Tanner certainly helped his stock Wednesday. - Gil
>> Brandt, NFL.com
>
> But since even though they had Colt McCoy and Shipley they could not run
> the ball, likely not.
>
> Harlan
If he wasn't picked there was a reason but don't underestimate what a
bad football coach Mack Brown is on the field. He is clueless but has
great recruits, great program, and would make most big programs better.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 6:14 am
From: Johnctx
Johnctx wrote:
> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>> In article <htidncyNQuCy3UrWnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> Johnctx <jc@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> A buddy I trust claims this kid from Texas might have some value. He
>>> was also academic All Big 12 as well. When was the last time we
>>> found an OL as a UFA?
>>>
>>> http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=1707
>>>
>>> Thus far unheralded offensive lineman Charlie Tanner has turned in a
>>> terrific workout. Tanner started the day by completing 35 reps on
>>> the bench, posted a vertical jump of 36 inches then ran his 40 in
>>> times as fast as 5.06 seconds. His official average times for the
>>> two runs will be in the range of 5.12 seconds. His ten yard split
>>> was 1.72 seconds. Tanner¹s short shuttle time was also a very solid
>>> 4.55 seconds.
>>>
>>> 04/01/2010 - PRO DAY RESULTS: 79 scouts and coaches representing 30
>>> teams (the Rams and Lions were the only two not represented),
>>> including three head coaches, came together to watch. G Charlie
>>> Tanner (6-3 7/8, 305) ran 5.20 and 5.12 in the 40. Tanner posted a
>>> 36-inch vertical jump, a 9-foot, 3-inch broad jump and a 4.38-second
>>> short shuttle ??? all numbers that would have put him in the top-10
>>> amongst offensive linemen at the combine. His vertical jump would
>>> have beaten out Oklahoma T Trent Williams' top mark of 34 1/2 inches,
>>> while his 4.38-second short shuttle would have shattered the best
>>> mark at the combine ??? a time of 4.51 second set by Arizona State OL
>>> Shawn Lauvao. Combined with a 5.20 and 5.12 in the 40, Tanner
>>> certainly helped his stock Wednesday. - Gil Brandt, NFL.com
>>
>> But since even though they had Colt McCoy and Shipley they could not
>> run the ball, likely not.
>>
>> Harlan
>
> If he wasn't picked there was a reason but don't underestimate what a
> bad football coach Mack Brown is on the field. He is clueless but has
> great recruits, great program, and would make most big programs better.
& really if he had any RB's didn't use them but that wouldn't be the
first time.
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TOPIC: Joe McKnight article
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8cf4e0a29f44c306?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 6:28 am
From: Johnctx
There are LSU fans that still would like to shoot him.
You know who he is built like? Chris Johnson of the titans.
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/news/story?id=5143471
Wednesday, April 28, 2010
Joe McKnight wants to run from his past
By Rich Cimini
ESPNNewYork.com
Joe McKnight will report to the New York Jets' rookie minicamp this
weekend, and, for perhaps the first time in his football life, he won't
be treated like a rock star.
He's OK with that. After everything he has experienced, from raising the
spirits of his Louisiana hometown in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina
to carrying the weight of unrealistic expectations at USC, he's tired of
the heavy lifting.
All he wants is to play football. He just wants to be Joe again. Which,
of course, raises the question: Where did Joe go?
Joe used to be poetry with a football in his hands. He was so dynamic
during a legendary prep career in New Orleans, he made grizzled college
recruiters behave like teenage boys on their first date. Joe averaged
nearly 16 yards per carry as senior at John Curtis Christian High
School, where he scored 22 touchdowns five different ways -- running,
receiving, returning punts, returning kickoffs and intercepting passes.
Everybody assumed he'd win the Heisman Trophy some day; the only
question was how many times.
Turns out the only Heismans he saw were the seven trophies on display in
USC's Heritage Hall. Considering all the the pre-college hype, Joe's
three-year career at USC was unfulfilling. The Jets got him with a
fourth-round pick, so no one is expecting miracles. His job is to
replace the popular Leon Washington as an all-purpose back, so he's not
walking into a high-pressure situation. That's probably a good thing
"Joe has come up a hard road, but he's got all kinds of special
abilities," former USC coach Pete Carroll told ESPNNewYork.com from his
new office inside the Seattle Seahawks' facility. "He'll fit right in.
That role won't be too big for him at all."
From the time he started as a 5-year-old on the pee-wee level, Joe was
so gifted that he became bigger than the games. But his life changed
before his junior year in high school after New Orleans was devastated
by Katrina. Joe evacuated to Shreveport when the levees broke, and he
wound up separated from his mother for a month. She had evacuated to
Baton Rouge.
Football season was coming, but Joe couldn't get home. His house was
destroyed by the hurricane. He enrolled at the Evangel Christian Academy
in Shreveport, but only played two games. He eventually got back to New
Orleans -- what was left of it -- and back to his team. He still had no
home. He moved in with his high-school coach, J.T. Curtis, and they
leaned on football and each other, hoping their team could heal the
community's broken soul. In the Deep South, high school football can
inspire like a Sunday-morning sermon.
In the first game after Katrina, Joe gave the town something to cheer
about. After a slow start, what you'd expect after several weeks without
practice, he turned a nowhere, off-tackle run into a 60-yard touchdown.
He disappeared into a crowd of defenders, like Clark Kent in a phone
booth, and came out as a blur. The applause lasted for more than a year,
as Joe piled up ridiculous numbers and led Curtis to a state championship.
"That run," said Curtis, whose father founded the school, "is one I
don't think I'll ever forget."
When it came time to pick a college, most of the local folks assumed,
more like wished, prayed and hoped, Joe would choose LSU. It was only
natural, right? USC also wanted him badly, as did Ole Miss. In "Meat
Market," a book by ESPN The Magzine's Bruce Feldman that chronicles
recruiting wars in the SEC, Ole Miss coach Ed Orgeron says, "If he comes
to Oxford, we'll change the bricks on Manning Way to McKnight Way."
Joe's decision to attend USC was regarded by the local folk as an act of
treason. That spring, at the Mardi Gras parade, the Curtis High marching
band was jeered because Joe had spurned LSU. Joe's mother, Jennifer
McKnight, said she still gets an occasional dirty look in public. Ditto,
Curtis.
"Some people are still angry at me," he said. "They think it was my job
to make sure he picked LSU."
Even after he picked USC, televised live, Joe still couldn't run from
great expectations. In L.A., he was hailed as The Next Reggie Bush. The
former Heisman winner, drafted by Joe's hometown Saints in 2006, was a
breathtaking open-field runner. So was Joe. Bush could line up in
different positions and catch the ball like a polished wide receiver. So
could Joe. The Reggie talk was relentless, and it followed him the
better part of his college career.
"It's totally unfair for anybody," Carroll said of the Bush comparisons.
"Reggie was one of the greatest college players to ever play. Of course,
we wanted to see if we could find the next one. We thought Joe had all
those abilities."
By his own admission, Joe started to believe he was Reggie. As a
freshman, he tried to make every play a highlight, making a fancy move
when a routine move would've sufficed. The production wasn't there, and
those close to him became concerned he was obsessed with being Reggie
Bush. Carroll took some of the blame, saying "we kind of messed him up
early on" by trying to rush him into a prominent role. Even his mother
noticed Joe wasn't right.
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"They looked at him to be the next Reggie Bush, not realizing that
Reggie is Reggie and Joe is Joe," she said. "They needed to let Joe be
Joe. Once he realized that, and let the game come to him, he was fine.
When they played Ohio State, that was Joe, not Reggie."
That was last September, when Joe, never known as the toughest inside
runner, attacked the fierce Ohio State defense for 32 yards on five
carries on a late, game-winning drive. Unfortunately, there weren't many
games like that in his USC career. He was slowed in his first two
seasons by a variety of injuries -- dislocated toes, a sprained knee and
banged-up fingers. He was a part-time player in USC's deep stable of backs.
"Every year, we had great running backs come," McKnight said. "We never
had a chance to show what we were about."
The knock on Joe was that he was immature and didn't like to play hurt,
criticisms that followed him into the NFL draft. One general manager,
speaking on the condition of anonymity, called him "a Ferrari that was
always in the shop."
The slights weren't only coming from coaches and scouts. According to
people close to him, Joe did need to work on himself. They say he
finally realized he needed to chage on Feb. 3, 2009, when his son,
Jaiden, was born. Having a child while he was still in college, "made
him get his head on straight," his mother said. Sometimes that is a
cliché in sports -- how many perspective-changing child births have we
read about? -- but Jaiden's birth really did seem to have a positive
impact on Joe.
For a change, he stayed healthy. He won the starting tailback job and
rushed for 1,014 yards (6.2 per carry), becoming the first USC back to
rush for 1,000 since 2005. Two backs did it that year, LenDale White and
some guy named Reggie. For the first time since childhood, Joe was Joe,
running free, running for Joe, not chasing an icon.
"It took me a while to get that out of my head," McKnight said of the
Bush comparisons. "I mean, it's a lot of pressure. I tried to live up to
the expectations."
Joe never got a chance to take a final bow at USC, as he was suspended
from the Emerald Bowl after it was discovered he was driving an SUV
registered to a Santa Monica businessman. The businessman said he bought
it for Joe's girlfriend, whom he employed, as a favor. USC investigated
for possible NCAA violations.
Goodbye, USC. Hello, NFL draft.
Despite questions about his durability and character, the Jets liked Joe
so much they traded up to select him. The other shoe dropped when they
traded Washington to Carroll, who curiously passed on Joe in the fourth
round, one spot ahead of where the Jets took him. Carroll said he had a
greater need on defense, so he picked Oregon defensive back Walter Thurmond.
The man who knows Joe the best, Curtis, believes the best is yet to come.
"I think he's going to explode on the professional level," he said. "Now
he can just play."
The Jets don't see him as the next Reggie Bush. They don't expect him to
be the next Leon Washington. They just want him to be Joe, the Joe from
2009.
Joe McKnight.
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TOPIC: Local kid needs lobbyists...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5694e80816cab1ca?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 7:45 am
From: buRford
I just stumbled on this article... love the kids name, and he went to one of my *alma
maters* ;)
Undrafted Stony Brook RB Conte Cuttino generates internet buzz as Jets rookie mini-camp
nears
By Manish Mehta/The Star-Ledger
April 28, 2010, 6:37PM
The groundswell of support came without warning, a tweeting tidal wave that flooded my
account.
Not long after the NFL draft wrapped up, Jets fans went on a Twitter march for a running
back from their backyard. They recited his stats, relayed his skills and attached a catchy
hashtag to all their tweets -- #Cuttino2NYJets.
Before long, I felt like I'd known Stony Brook's Conte Cuttino my entire life.
For all the transactions the Jets have made this offseason, the fans have one more move
they'd like their team to execute: Give this Long Island kid a chance at rookie mini-camp
this weekend.
Strip away his social media savvy - Cuttino is active on Twitter and Facebook - and here's
what's left: A 5-10, 200-pound running back with impressive skills. Cuttino, Stony Brook's
all-time leading rusher (3,067 yards), gained 836 yards on 177 carries (4.5 ypc) last
season in the Division 1-AA Big South Conference.
Although certain restrictions apply, there's no limit to the number of tryout players for
rookie mini-camps. In other words, the Jets - who recently left their long-time training
camp home at Hofstra - really have nothing to lose to invite the Long Island native.
For now, Mickey Dean (Arkansas-Pine Bluff) and Marlon Lucky (Nebraska) are the only
running backs who will be trying out during the Jets rookie mini-camp April 30-May 2. Rex
Ryan's club, of course, is pretty well set at the position with Shonn Greene, LaDainian
Tomlinson, Joe McKnight and Chauncey Washington.
Cuttino, who starred at Uniondale High School in Long Island, simply wants a chance to
display his skills.
"I can give a team diversification with my abilities," Cuttino told The Star-Ledger in an
email. "I have quickness and catching ability that make me able to be a change-up back. I
can be a threat in the pass game, like screens, routes out the back field and in the slot
position. My drive and determination, along with my talent, makes me a great player to
work with for any coach. I feel that if given the opportunity to participate in a minicamp
or if I am given a tryout, I will open a lot of eyes and raise some eyebrows just like in
my pro days, where I ran a 4.45 40yd at Albany. I truly feel that I have the ability to
matchup or exceed my competition on the field in the NFL."
Cuttino - who has the Twitter handle @Cuttino_01 - has received hundreds of tweets this
week from the Jets' faithful.
A sampling of the support:
From @WVU_RedsNYJ_K_I: "#Cuttino2NYJets only seems logical. He's got potential outta this
world. Watch sum film. I don't care who he is playin against"
From @D_Wyatt13: "Conte's #s compared to RB's at combine: 40 yard (4th best), Vertical
(2nd best), Broad Jump (1st), 3 cone (1st) 20 yard (1st) #Cuttino2NYJets"
From @WG_SPA: "#Cuttino2NYJets Sign this dude Jets!!! He is better then Danny Woodhead!!"
Some people implored Jets players " From @PortugalBoy: "@Revis24 Hey Dude let Mr. T know
that the #Jets fans want @Cuttino_01 to be given a chance. #Cuttino2NYJets"
@Gscott1847 cut right to the chase: "#Cuttino2NYJets #Cuttino2NYJets #Cuttino2NYJets
#Cuttino2NYJets #Cuttino2NYJets #Cuttino2NYJets #Cuttino2NYJets #Cuttino2NYJets #NFL
#NyJets"
"I truly feel blessed to know that I have so many people in my corner as I go about this
journey to achieving my dream," Cuttino said. "Taking my time to network through Facebook
and Twitter and be close to fans and others definitely is paying off. Things can be done
more effectively with hundreds of voices instead of one (me). I thank all that voice their
opinion and support on Twitter and am deeply grateful for them all. I am really humbled by
the outpouring."
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