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Volume 13, Issue 4, Pages 279-290 (December 2005)
PII: S0965-2299(05)00087-7
doi:10.1016/j.ctim.2005.08.003
Guggul for hyperlipidemia: A review by the Natural Standard Research
Collaboration
http://www.journals.elsevierhealth.com/periodicals/yctim/article/S0965-2299%2805%2900087-7/pdf

Natural Standard Research CollaborationiCatherine Ulbrichta , Ethan
Baschb, Philippe Szaparyc, Paul Hammernessd, Serguei Axentseve,
Heather Boonf, David Krollg, Levi Garrawayd, Mamta Vorah, Jen Woodsh

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J Assoc Physicians India. 1978 May;26(5):367-73.
Effect of guggulu (Commiphora mukul--Engl.) on serum lipids in obese,
hypercholesterolemic and hyperlipemic cases.
Kuppurajan K, Rajagopalan SS, Rao TK, Sitaraman R.
PMID: 730716 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/730716?dopt=Abstract
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Indian J Med Res. 1977 Mar;65(3):390-5.
Long term clinical studies on the hypolipidaemic effect of Commiphora
mukul (Guggulu) and clofibrate.
Malhotra SC, Ahuja MM, Sundaram KR.
PMID: 924552 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/924552?dopt=Abstract
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Indian J Med Res. 1986 Dec;84:626-34.
Clinical trial of gugulipid--a new hypolipidemic agent of plant origin
in primary hyperlipidemia.
Agarwal RC, Singh SP, Saran RK, Das SK, Sinha N, Asthana OP, Gupta PP,
Nityanand S, Dhawan BN, Agarwal SS.
PMID: 3552974 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3552974?dopt=Abstract
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J Assoc Physicians India. 1989 May;37(5):323-8.
Clinical trials with gugulipid. A new hypolipidaemic agent.
Nityanand S, Srivastava JS, Asthana OP.
Comment in:
• J Assoc Physicians India. 1990 Feb;38(2):186.

PMID: 2693440 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2693440?dopt=Abstract
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Originally published in Science Express on 2 May 2002
Science 31 May 2002:
Vol. 296. no. 5573, pp. 1703 - 1706
DOI: 10.1126/science.1072891 Prev | Table of Contents | Next

Reports: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/296/5573/1703.pdf
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Fiziol Zh. 2009;55(5):89-96.

The influence of the Tribulus terrestris extract on the parameters of
the functional preparadness and athletes' organism homeostase.

Milasius K, Dadeliene R, Skernevicius J.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20095389

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Rhabdomyolysis Caused by Commiphora mukul, a Natural Lipid-Lowering
Agent (July/August)
Antonio Bianchi 1, Paola Cantú 2, Fabio Firenzuoli 3, Gabriela
Mazzanti 4, Francesca Menniti-Ippolito 5*, Roberto Raschetti 5

http://www.theannals.com/cgi/content/abstract/aph.1D486v1

Published Online, 8 June 2004, www.theannals.com, DOI 10.1345/aph.
1D486.

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Annu Rev Nutr. 2003;23:303-13. Epub 2003 Feb 26.

GUGULIPID: a natural cholesterol-lowering agent.
Urizar NL, Moore DD.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12626688

(doi:10.1146/annurev.nutr.23.011702.073102)

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev.nutr.23.011702.073102?cookieSet=1
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7848901
Hypolipidemic and antioxidant effects of commiphora mukul as an
adjunct to dietary therapy in patients with hypercholesterolemia
Journal Cardiovascular Drugs and Therapy - DOI ---10.1007/BF00877420

Publisher Springer Netherlands
ISSN 0920-3206 (Print) 1573-7241 (Online)
Issue Volume 8, Number 4 / August, 1994
Category Lipids

Pages 659-664
Subject Collection Medicine
SpringerLink Date Tuesday, December 28, 2004
https://commerce.metapress.com/content/g9k260uw6493t2u6/resource-secured/?target=fulltext.pdf&sid=svbeun45kn3k2i4511tha245&sh=www.springerlink.com
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J Assoc Physicians India. 1990 Feb;38(2):186.
A new hypolipidaemic agent (gugulipid)
Das Gupta R.
Comment on:
• J Assoc Physicians India. 1989 May;37(5):323-8.
PMID: 2248657 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2248657
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J Assoc Physicians India. 1989 May;37(5):323-8.
Clinical trials with gugulipid. A new hypolipidaemic agent.
Nityanand S, Srivastava JS, Asthana OP.
Comment in:
• J Assoc Physicians India. 1990 Feb;38(2):186.
PMID: 2693440 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2693440
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Indian J Med Res. 1988 Apr;87:356-60.
Effect of Commiphora mukul (gum guggulu) in patients of hyperlipidemia
with special reference to HDL-cholesterol.
Verma SK, Bordia A.
PMID: 3169888 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3169888
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Indian J Med Res. 1986 Dec;84:626-34.
Clinical trial of gugulipid--a new hypolipidemic agent of plant origin
in primary hyperlipidemia.
Agarwal RC, Singh SP, Saran RK, Das SK, Sinha N, Asthana OP, Gupta PP,
Nityanand S, Dhawan BN, Agarwal SS.
PMID: 3552974 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3552974
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JAMA. 2003 Dec 3;290(21):2800; author reply 2801.
Guggulipid and cholesterol levels.
Firenzuoli F, Gori L.
Comment on:
• JAMA. 2003 Aug 13;290(6):765-72.
PMID: 14657061 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14657061

OR

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/290/21/2800

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Guggul for hypercholesterolemia
Shields and Moranville
Am J Health Syst Pharm.2005; 62: 1012-1014

PMID: 15901582 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ajhp.org/cgi/reprint/62/10/1012
• Online ISSN: 1535-2900
• Print ISSN: 1079-2082

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http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/np8004453

Effect of Guggulsterone and Cembranoids of Commiphora mukul on
Pancreatic Phospholipase A2: Role in Hypocholesterolemia

Bao-Zhu Yu†, Rajani Kaimal‡, Shi Bai†, Khalid A. El Sayed§, Suren A.
Tatulian , Rafael J. Apitz†, Mahendra K. Jain*†, Ruitang Deng‡ and
Otto G. Berg

J. Nat. Prod., 2009, 72 (1), pp 24–28
DOI: 10.1021/np8004453

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Resin from the mukul myrrh tree, guggul, can it be used for treating
hypercholesterolemia? A randomized, controlled study.
Complementary Therapies in Medicine, Volume 17, Issue 1, Pages 16-22
L. Nohr, L. Rasmussen, J. Straand

doi:10.1016/j.ctim.2008.07.001

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WCS-4T719S3-1&_user=10&_coverDate=01%2F31%2F2009&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=8fa253d59471c39e0039cceeed504045

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Complementary Therapies in Medicine
Volume 13, Issue 4, December 2005, Pages 279-290

doi:10.1016/j.ctim.2005.08.003.

Guggul for hyperlipidemia: A review by the Natural Standard Research
Collaboration
Complementary Therapies in Medicine, Volume 13, Issue 4, Pages 279-290
C. Ulbricht, E. Basch, P. Szapary, P. Hammerness, S. Axentsev, H.
Boon, D. Kroll, L. Garraway, M. Vora, J. Woods.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WCS-4H5MYGT-1&_user=10&_coverDate=12%2F31%2F2005&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=5e2c76c1d42323ca4e2ccd458e7720cf

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Today's topics:

* Paging Fredmaster of Brainerd - 7 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/abf0c16fdebb990d?hl=en
* The Hippodrome in Paris Sucks - The Fatty Master Travelogue - 7 messages, 5
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c8a92c0d28caaa75?hl=en
* Gila! - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7e7ab180e18c8ba3?hl=en
* Is Nothing Sacred Anymore?! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/da94b120a58783a8?hl=en
* At last, is this TD's breakthrough year ... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c6c5abe5b8bdff4a?hl=en
* More candid conversation with Cav - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/eabf3e320f97e82c?hl=en

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 10:03 pm
From: "Fred on a stick"


http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/readwriteweb_and_tableau_announce_winner_of_data_visualization_contest.php


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 4:39 am
From: "A. Dumas Fred"


Fred on a stick schreef:
> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/readwriteweb_and_tableau_announce_winner_of_data_visualization_contest.php

Stupid embedding gives "session expired". Try
http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/Fit-and-Fat-in-America-v2_1/FitAndFat


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 8:58 am
From: "Fred on a stick"


A. Dumas Fred wrote:
> Fred on a stick schreef:
>> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/readwriteweb_and_tableau_announce_winner_of_data_visualization_contest.php
>
> Stupid embedding gives "session expired". Try
> http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/Fit-and-Fat-in-America-v2_1/FitAndFat

Ah, really? Not for me. In any event, the interesting thing is that it got
an award while leaving out perhaps the most interesting correlation.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 10:19 am
From: "A. Dumas Fred"


Fred on a stick wrote:
> A. Dumas Fred wrote:
>> Fred on a stick wrote:
>>> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/readwriteweb_and_tableau_announce_winner_of_data_visualization_contest.php
>> Stupid embedding gives "session expired". Try
>> http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/Fit-and-Fat-in-America-v2_1/FitAndFat
>
> Ah, really? Not for me. In any event, the interesting thing is that it got
> an award while leaving out perhaps the most interesting correlation.

Right, I found the visualisation unattrictive & confusing, didn't get
around to checking the correlations. Which one?


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 10:35 am
From: "Fred on a stick"


A. Dumas Fred wrote:
> Fred on a stick wrote:
>> A. Dumas Fred wrote:
>>> Fred on a stick wrote:
>>>> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/readwriteweb_and_tableau_announce_winner_of_data_visualization_contest.php
>>> Stupid embedding gives "session expired". Try
>>> http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/Fit-and-Fat-in-America-v2_1/FitAndFat
>>
>> Ah, really? Not for me. In any event, the interesting thing is that
>> it got an award while leaving out perhaps the most interesting
>> correlation.
>
> Right, I found the visualisation unattrictive & confusing, didn't get
> around to checking the correlations. Which one?

http://www.ucolick.org/~bjw/misc/obesity_vote.gif


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 10:41 am
From: Ben Trovato


On Apr 29, 8:58 am, "Fred on a stick"
<anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
> A. Dumas Fred wrote:
> > Fred on a stick schreef:
> >>http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/readwriteweb_and_tableau_announc...
>
> > Stupid embedding gives "session expired". Try
> >http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/Fit-and-Fat-in-America-v2_1/F...
>
> Ah, really? Not for me. In any event, the interesting thing is that it got
> an award while leaving out perhaps the most interesting correlation.

That's what I thought, until I noticed the use of red and blue.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 11:54 am
From: "z, fred"


Fred on a stick wrote:
> A. Dumas Fred wrote:
>> Fred on a stick wrote:
>>> A. Dumas Fred wrote:
>>>> Fred on a stick wrote:
>>>>> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/readwriteweb_and_tableau_announce_winner_of_data_visualization_contest.php
>>>> Stupid embedding gives "session expired". Try
>>>> http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/Fit-and-Fat-in-America-v2_1/FitAndFat
>>> Ah, really? Not for me. In any event, the interesting thing is that
>>> it got an award while leaving out perhaps the most interesting
>>> correlation.
>> Right, I found the visualisation unattrictive & confusing, didn't get
>> around to checking the correlations. Which one?
>
> http://www.ucolick.org/~bjw/misc/obesity_vote.gif
>
>


Dean Vernon Wormer commented on that back in 1978

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TOPIC: The Hippodrome in Paris Sucks - The Fatty Master Travelogue
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 1:39 am
From: Betty Munro


Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> But I guess that's just the thing about a million monkeys sitting at keyboards.

Gorillas.


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 4:36 am
From: "A. Dumas Fred"


Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> Sometimes I'm more PC than the Microsoft commercials. For example, I'm
> working on a new water bottle for the shop, and thought it would be fun
> to have them say "Ne jamais abandonner, ne jamais capituler!" But even
> those who know Galaxy Quest still might take it the wrong way, a slam
> against French history.

It certainly is a slam against French grammar, although "Rendez-vous
jamais!" sounds suspect as well.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 11:53 am
From: Frederick the Great


In article <TD3Cn.160733$y13.14938@newsfe12.iad>,
"z, fred" <Nope@not.ca> wrote:

> Frederick the Great wrote:
> > In article <hm1Cn.279454$wr5.210330@newsfe22.iad>,
> > "z, fred" <Nope@not.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Frederick the Great wrote:
> >>> In article <H7Odnf2kBf7cHUXWnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> >>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Anton Berlin" <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:73995cca-e5d9-49a7-9943-5cfe79c25ed8@r1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> Knowing that they race bikes at velodromes it was only logical that I
> >>>>> try to take my girlfriend to see some hippo racing in Paris. Turns
> >>>>> out it's just a horse track.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fucking frogs !
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PS - I asked a french guy why they always plant tress on both sides of
> >>>>> the road,.... "It's because we know that the Germans prefer to march
> >>>>> in the shade"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lots of WWII French rifles for sale here also - very clean condition,
> >>>>> never fired, dropped once.
> >>>> Even for you that's pretty lame. If you do any real riding in France,
> >>> Oh no! Here comes Major Serious.
> >>>
> >> http://comics.com/frazz/2010-04-28/
> >
> > Oh no! Here comes minor Serious.
> >
>
> Thank you Mr. Stuffed Shit

We're serious. If you do not leave immediately, we'll
blow up another locomotive. Where was the French
resistance in 1936 when General Blomberg marched troops
across the Rhine River? A brigade of regulars would
have sent Blomberg packing. Could have ended Hitler's
position as chancellor; or ended his attentions on
France and concentrated them on the eastern front.

What is great about comics today is how bright the kids
are are; politcally aware; socially aware; moral; and
not afraid to explain to us where we go wrong. Not like
in my day when kids were apathetic or entirely unaware
of the problems of civilization.

<http://www.barnaclepress.com/cmcvlt/KatzenjammerKids/kk020622.jpg>

--
Old Fritz


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 11:59 am
From: Michael Press


In article <sp8ht5982mmkr01ec0u5gon4c7knu79med@4ax.com>,
curtis@the-md-russells.org wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:36:52 -0700, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
> <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
> >Seriously, get out and ride through the villages, and stop and actually read
> >the monuments you come across. There is no better way to explore a country
> >than from a bike.
>
> Seriously, read the monuments you come across riding in the U.S. - the
> South won the war, the Klan deserves our thanks and Spanish Catholic
> churches don't count when you do the 'first west of' thing.
>
> And the High Point of the Condfederacy at least makes Gettysburg a
> virtual victory for Lee. Damn Dutch didn't know when to run.
>
> I hope the French do the monuments better than we do - maybe take
> lessons from the Daughters of the Confederacy. Yeah, yeah, the French
> don't do the Monuments any better than they do the Tour.

Look what happens when you allow the losers to write histories.

--
Michael Press


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 11:59 am
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Betty Munro" <none@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:b7tna7-a41.ln1@donald.homeip.net...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> But I guess that's just the thing about a million monkeys sitting at
>> keyboards.
>
> Gorillas.

Good catch.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 12:05 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"A. Dumas Fred" <alexandre@dumas.fr> wrote in message
news:4282f$4bd96f43$53578816$20156@cache2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> Sometimes I'm more PC than the Microsoft commercials. For example, I'm
>> working on a new water bottle for the shop, and thought it would be fun
>> to have them say "Ne jamais abandonner, ne jamais capituler!" But even
>> those who know Galaxy Quest still might take it the wrong way, a slam
>> against French history.
>
> It certainly is a slam against French grammar, although "Rendez-vous
> jamais!" sounds suspect as well.

I am clueless regarding French grammar. I can read it OK if there's
contextual help (something where I generally know what it's about), and I
can string things together clumsily to get my point across. But hearing it
spoken I am lost. The manner in which so many words/phrases come together
baffles me. Cest, for example. Spanish is a lot simpler that way, and I now
regret I didn't pay more attention to it during Jr. High. I mean, if you
can't get Spanish, what chance do you have with French?

Je parle francais come une vauche espagnole. I probably messed that one up
as well!

I visit France just long enough to begin to get a handle on the language
just about the time I have to leave. Hate that.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 1:47 pm
From: Fred Fredburger


On 04/28/2010 04:57 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "K. Fred Gauss" <Someone@Somewhere.You.Dont.Wanna.Be> wrote in message
> news:4bd8c288@news.x-privat.org...
>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

> Yeah well guess I just haven't seen the point to the infatuation with
> Liz Hatch. It obscures the oft-intelligent observations about tactics
> the show up here from time-to-time.

Despite the fact that it goes against my religion, I agree.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 3:19 am
From: bar


On Apr 28, 10:07 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 7:14 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > puhlease ... if levi and/or LANCE don't win every stage here it's a
> > frickin disgrace ...
>
> >  http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/sram-tour-of-the-gila-ne/stage-1/pho...
>
> > how will they ever expect to handle The Pistolero, menchov, cunego, or
> > evans in the later GRAND tours .... ?
>
> Geez, LA finished 3 places and 16 seconds behind Flandis, for crying
> out loud.

curious how the article (link above is broken now) doesn't mention
LANCE at all ... maybe he took a monster pull to set up leppy's
launch?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/sram-tour-of-the-gila-ne/stage-1/results

or maybe the form's not quite there ...


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 6:22 am
From: Scott


On Apr 29, 4:19 am, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 10:07 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 28, 7:14 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > puhlease ... if levi and/or LANCE don't win every stage here it's a
> > > frickin disgrace ...
>
> > >  http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/sram-tour-of-the-gila-ne/stage-1/pho...
>
> > > how will they ever expect to handle The Pistolero, menchov, cunego, or
> > > evans in the later GRAND tours .... ?
>
> > Geez, LA finished 3 places and 16 seconds behind Flandis, for crying
> > out loud.
>
> curious how the article (link above is broken now) doesn't mention
> LANCE at all ... maybe he took a monster pull to set up leppy's
> launch?
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/sram-tour-of-the-gila-ne/stage-1/res...
>
> or maybe the form's not quite there ...

Not to be an apologist for LA, but maybe he's just training and so
long as he gets the right amount of time in the right power/HR ranges,
he doesn't particularly care if he's 3rd or 20th or whatever. You do
know that sometimes pros ride races for training, right?


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 7:01 am
From: bar


On Apr 29, 9:22 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 29, 4:19 am, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 28, 10:07 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 28, 7:14 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > puhlease ... if levi and/or LANCE don't win every stage here it's a
> > > > frickin disgrace ...
>
> > > >  http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/sram-tour-of-the-gila-ne/stage-1/pho...
>
> > > > how will they ever expect to handle The Pistolero, menchov, cunego, or
> > > > evans in the later GRAND tours .... ?
>
> > > Geez, LA finished 3 places and 16 seconds behind Flandis, for crying
> > > out loud.
>
> > curious how the article (link above is broken now) doesn't mention
> > LANCE at all ... maybe he took a monster pull to set up leppy's
> > launch?
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/sram-tour-of-the-gila-ne/stage-1/res...
>
> > or maybe the form's not quite there ...
>
> Not to be an apologist for LA, but maybe he's just training and so
> long as he gets the right amount of time in the right power/HR ranges,
> he doesn't particularly care if he's 3rd or 20th or whatever.  You do
> know that sometimes pros ride races for training, right?

yeh, i get that. but i'm just curious ... i mean I haven't seen any
real indications of where his form is (like we have with contador,
evans, valverde, etc.).


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 12:07 pm
From: Michael Press


In article
<1d17b442-9547-447a-bb63-f55a849d933d@b21g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
bar <barbaricia@gmail.com> wrote:

> puhlease ... if levi and/or LANCE don't win every stage here it's a
> frickin disgrace ...
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/sram-tour-of-the-gila-ne/stage-1/photos/118417
>
> how will they ever expect to handle The Pistolero, menchov, cunego, or
> evans in the later GRAND tours .... ?

After the TdF, the winner takes victory laps around Europe
to celebrate and collect money for his team mates. In the
USA the futre losers have to take their victory laps before.

--
Michael Press


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 1:51 pm
From: Fred Fredburger


On 04/29/2010 07:01 AM, bar wrote:
> On Apr 29, 9:22 am, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 29, 4:19 am, bar<barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 10:07 pm, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Apr 28, 7:14 pm, bar<barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> puhlease ... if levi and/or LANCE don't win every stage here it's a
>>>>> frickin disgrace ...
>>
>>>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/sram-tour-of-the-gila-ne/stage-1/pho...
>>
>>>>> how will they ever expect to handle The Pistolero, menchov, cunego, or
>>>>> evans in the later GRAND tours .... ?
>>
>>>> Geez, LA finished 3 places and 16 seconds behind Flandis, for crying
>>>> out loud.
>>
>>> curious how the article (link above is broken now) doesn't mention
>>> LANCE at all ... maybe he took a monster pull to set up leppy's
>>> launch?
>>
>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/sram-tour-of-the-gila-ne/stage-1/res...
>>
>>> or maybe the form's not quite there ...
>>
>> Not to be an apologist for LA, but maybe he's just training and so
>> long as he gets the right amount of time in the right power/HR ranges,
>> he doesn't particularly care if he's 3rd or 20th or whatever. You do
>> know that sometimes pros ride races for training, right?
>
> yeh, i get that. but i'm just curious ... i mean I haven't seen any
> real indications of where his form is (like we have with contador,
> evans, valverde, etc.).

That's the way he's been since the late 90s. No show of form until June.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 9:49 am
From: "GoneBeforeMyTime"


Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Apr 27, 6:23 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
>> cur...@the-md-russells.org wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:37:53 -0700, "GoneBeforeMyTime"
>>> <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Do any of the domestic teams try to re-use or recycle their water
>>>> bottles to help the current global trend toward going green, or is
>>>> the UK side of the sport still pretty much a use it and throw it
>>>> away sport when it comes to water bottles? I can't imagine how many
>>>> of these water bottles are in the landfills worldwide. What is
>>>> Britain's take on that, of do they care at all? I use my water
>>>> bottles until I can't stand them anymore, then I buy new ones, but
>>>> not until then.
>>
>>> I think you're discussing two different issues here. There were cat
>>> IIIs DQ'd ten years and more ago for tossing water bottles when the
>>> ref or CR said to do otherwise. Water bottles were always an easy
>>> item for locals that didn't like the bike races to hang their
>>> complaints on. An empty doesn't have the heft to carry far and they
>>> stand out on the side of the road for the complainers, so that and
>>> pissing in public (behind a tree still counts as in public) have
>>> been among the long term bugaboos at local races. That and telling
>>> cops they're assholes. Never understood the reasoning behind doing
>>> that...
>>
>>> Pro races are different and most water bottles seemed snarfed up by
>>> the bystanders quick enough even here in the states. We still have a
>>> Seven Eleven water bottle my son got in Baltimore when they held the
>>> pro race here, before Philadephia. Not really an ecological problem
>>> in the scheme of things and I think it only garners the complainers
>>> a rep as nit picking whiners. And, yeah, I give my share to tree
>>> hugging charities.
>>
>>> Me, I use my water bottles until they crack. The black spots in the
>>> bottle only tell me that the water is pure enough to support other
>>> life forms.
>>
>>> Curtis L. Russell
>>> Odenton, MD (USA)
>>> Just someone on two wheels...
>>
>> Here in the road race, the Velo Promo sag stops and picks them up. I
>> tagged along one day with a guy who did this. In another race not
>> far away, within 50 miles, there was a $25 dollar fine for any rider
>> ditching their water bottle or trash. I had read once that a guy who
>> took a leak in Central Park behind a tree was prosecuted for
>> exposing himself to children and sentenced to prison. He committed
>> suicide before entering prison. As far as lawyers could tell, he
>> never did such a thing other then relieve himself, but an over
>> zealous prosecuted wanted to make an example out of the guy.
>
> Yes, give the perfect storm, changing into your jeans at the end of
> the road race may turn you into a sex criminal in some parts of
> Amerika.

Funny how certain locals tolerate things and others fly apart at the handle,
for instance nude tanning on the beach used to be allowed at Summerland.
What ended it? Probably an over zealous prosecutor. There was a nice bike
shop there once near the beach. I stopped in one day on the way to Santa
Paula and bought some pedals, while my friend bought a complete road bike.
Great place to live and ride.


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 12:28 pm
From: bar


... at Gila? http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/danielson-on-form-for-tour-of-california


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 2:55 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Apr 29, 2:28 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ... at Gila?  http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/danielson-on-form-for-tour-of-california

He's definitely building form.

http://www.tomscott.com/stupidfight/#tomdanielson-vs-Liz_Hatch

-rj

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 3:55 pm
From: bar


On Apr 26, 9:52 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 26, 5:56 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 25, 9:18 pm, "z, fred" <N...@not.ca> wrote:
>
> > > dumbass, you should be familiar with this:
>
> > > "Baseball is ninety percent mental and the other half is physical."
>
> > dumbass,
>
> > all sports are mental - especially in the case of amateurs - doing
> > well at a sport makes you feel good, probably because it earns you
> > respect and admiration from your peers and doing poorly makes you feel
> > bad.
>
> > somehow we are wired that way, my guess is that in primitive times a
> > human's status among peers had a strong effect on their physical well
> > being. that's not really the case today but we are still wired that
> > way.
>
> You really don't get it sometimes, do you?

how's this for candid? -> http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/64th-tour-de-romandie-upt/stage-2/photos/118472

"The reason for the two-fingered salute, Cavendish said, was to "send
a message to commentators and journalists who don't know jack shit
about cycling," for writing him off."


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 4:38 pm
From: heather


bar wrote:

> "The reason for the two-fingered salute, Cavendish said, was to "send
> a message to commentators and journalists who don't know jack shit
> about cycling," for writing him off."

video of sprint here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1KNEw2qlm0

I've written Cavendish off, off of my bj list. (not that he cares)

h


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 4:53 pm
From: "F. Kurgan Gringioni"

"heather" <clevis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:83ujj6F6itU1@mid.individual.net...
> bar wrote:
>
>> "The reason for the two-fingered salute, Cavendish said, was to "send
>> a message to commentators and journalists who don't know jack shit
>> about cycling," for writing him off."
>
> video of sprint here
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1KNEw2qlm0
>
> I've written Cavendish off, off of my bj list. (not that he cares)

Dumbass -

Does your bj list consist of people whom you'd like to blow?

just curious,

Fred. presented by Gringioni.

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== 1 of 16 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 11:05 pm
From: "Ray OHara"

"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:3d6dncygBZklfkXWnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> ok.... when a coach or player uses profanity at practice or on the
>> sidelines/field during a game, can Goodell fine them ??? Lots of
>> people find profanity offensive. What about when Tuna calls Kerry
>> Glenn "she". Should he be fined ??? What about trash talk on the
>> field ??? Fine Ray Lewis for trying to intimidate other players ???
>
> FWIW, Dez wasn't a member of the Miami Dolphins, or the NFL for that
> matter.
>
> I'm not saying I support a fine, BTW. I just think since the NFL has a
> stick up its ass about its "image", it would be consistent to fine him for
> this.


I doubt there will be any fines.
being ignorant isn't against thr rules.
but I could see the Fish taking action just for PR sake.

and as someone mentioned up thread, Bryant is to be commended for not
twisting the man into a pretzel.


== 2 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 6:01 am
From: Johnctx

> Dead on...and if somebody in a really decent corporation did this...they
> would get fired. Ireland should get the axe. Period.

Agreed, he is a huge moron. I hope the kid has a great career.

I wonder if teams passed on him hearing he was a "problem" at that
interview. Did this interview cost the guy money?


== 3 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 6:32 am
From: "Remy McSwain"


In
news:9a53075d-cb54-419d-ac91-00d3c092457f@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com,
Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2:40 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> Good question ???
>>
>> Goodell loves throwing punishment around. Is there a fine in
>> Ireland's future?
>
> this one is gonna be interesting... how can it be determined that
> ireland was out of line ??? after all.. what did old bill
> parcells say ??? what do you get when you squeez and orange.
> you could make a case that it was a legit tactic to see how a
> questionable guy will act when provoked.

If that was the case, the GM would've, or at least should've, said
so at the end of the interview. And even then, I think it was
totally out of line. Nah, I think the GM is an idot, plain and
simple.


== 4 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 6:34 am
From: "Remy McSwain"


In news:6O6dnf2hJ7qzHkTWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com,
Johnctx <jc@spamtx.net> wrote:
>> Dead on...and if somebody in a really decent corporation did
>> this...they would get fired. Ireland should get the axe.
>> Period.
>
> Agreed, he is a huge moron. I hope the kid has a great career.
>
> I wonder if teams passed on him hearing he was a "problem" at
> that interview. Did this interview cost the guy money?

What makes you think he was a problem at the interview?


== 5 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 6:41 am
From: Johnctx


Remy McSwain wrote:
> In news:6O6dnf2hJ7qzHkTWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com,
> Johnctx <jc@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>> Dead on...and if somebody in a really decent corporation did
>>> this...they would get fired. Ireland should get the axe.
>>> Period.
>> Agreed, he is a huge moron. I hope the kid has a great career.
>>
>> I wonder if teams passed on him hearing he was a "problem" at
>> that interview. Did this interview cost the guy money?
>
> What makes you think he was a problem at the interview?
>
>

I don't know that. That is why I put it in quotes.

Agents tear down other players they don't represent. I am just
thinking out loud but if Ireland opened his piehole to anyone that thi
skid is bad. He is not only a moron but a bad guy.


== 6 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 7:24 am
From: Michael


On Apr 28, 11:32 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>
> news:harlan-45083D.20101528042010@news60.forteinc.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <9a53075d-cb54-419d-ac91-00d3c0924...@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Apr 28, 2:40 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> > Michael wrote:
> >> > > Good question ???
>
> >> > Goodell loves throwing punishment around. Is there a fine in Ireland's
> >> > future?
>
> >> this one is gonna be interesting... how can it be determined that
> >> ireland was out of line ???  after all.. what did old bill parcells
> >> say ??? what do you get when you squeez and orange.  you could make a
> >> case that it was a legit tactic to see how a questionable guy will act
> >> when provoked.
>
> > Michael, if Goodell is not a complete idiot it is easy.
>
> > He can compare this question to the HR policies of any major
> > organization or company. It would not be allowed.
>
> > More importantly, I thought the Fish were planning to draft Dez himself,
> > not his mother. Questions about his Mom or immediate family have no
> > relevance to an interview.
>
> > If his mom were interviewing for a job, there is a way to ask the
> > question. How is his Mom's drug use, sex life, or business supposed to
> > influence a grown man?
>
> > Give him a personality test if one wants but this was offensive.
>
> > And, Ireland deserves a suspension and fine for this or there is truly a
> > double standard.
>
> > harlan
>
> Dead on...and if somebody in a really decent corporation did this...they
> would get fired.  Ireland should get the axe. Period.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ireland is know for being an intelligent and effective manager that
has been a big part in brining the Fish back from basement. There has
never been a single instance of impropriety reported about his
dealings as GM of the Dolphins. Nothing at all off color in his past
either professional or personal. Dez has been reported to be a
distraction, a fool, uneducated, unintelligent, a self important self
aggrandizing distraction of a player that works hard when he feels
like it. This behavior is reported to have been a constant for his
entire college career. Non stop.

Ireland has one questionable moment and you say he should get the
axe. At the same time, the rest of the world sends Dez well wishes
for his career and commends him for not choosing violence.

Consider that Ireland did not ask him something like "Is your mother a
cheap crack whore". May be Ireland had questions about Dez's
character and he wanted to see if Dez had moved on from a very tuff
start in life with balance and dignity. Asking about his Mother's
past including such a hard question as the prostitution thing IMHO is
not off limits nor is it an unfair or question. Remember... The team
that drafts him is paying millions and risking a lot.


== 7 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 8:04 am
From: Michael


On Apr 28, 8:10 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <9a53075d-cb54-419d-ac91-00d3c0924...@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Apr 28, 2:40 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> > > Michael wrote:
> > > > Good question ???
>
> > > Goodell loves throwing punishment around.  Is there a fine in Ireland's
> > > future?
>
> > this one is gonna be interesting... how can it be determined that
> > ireland was out of line ???  after all.. what did old bill parcells
> > say ??? what do you get when you squeez and orange.  you could make a
> > case that it was a legit tactic to see how a questionable guy will act
> > when provoked.
>
> Michael, if Goodell is not a complete idiot it is easy.
>
> He can compare this question to the HR policies of any major
> organization or company. It would not be allowed.

Harlan...

We are talking about football players and the NFL, not Morgan Stanley
and an exec they are interviewing. The expected decorum is a bit
different, no ??? If you bust Ireland using those corporate standards,
than you can beef ANYONE in the NFL for such behavior while on the
job. That means at practice and on the field. Consider the things
that coaches say to players when they are drilling on the field at
practice. Consider the shit talk during a game. If I went to one of
my coworkers now and told him "Hey you mother****R !!!! When I get
back out there I'm gonna kick your F*****G ASS !!!!" I'd say I'd be
in big trouble. If you did that in the NFL, you'd be lauded and get
on the highlights. If Parcells yells at a player at practice "You
piece of chicken shit... He's not a f****ing girl.... Hit Him !!!"
That would make Parcells a tuff and salty coach. If a boss said that
to a guy in a corporate office... He'd be in deep shit. Again... The
NFL is not the corporate world. Dez was not interviewing for an exec
position at Morgan Stanley. No way can you seta precedent to hold the
NFL to those standards. The only ones that would like that are the
lawyers.


== 8 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 8:05 am
From: MZ


Michael wrote:
> On Apr 28, 11:32 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:harlan-45083D.20101528042010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> In article
>>> <9a53075d-cb54-419d-ac91-00d3c0924...@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 28, 2:40 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>> Good question ???
>>>>> Goodell loves throwing punishment around. Is there a fine in Ireland's
>>>>> future?
>>>> this one is gonna be interesting... how can it be determined that
>>>> ireland was out of line ??? after all.. what did old bill parcells
>>>> say ??? what do you get when you squeez and orange. you could make a
>>>> case that it was a legit tactic to see how a questionable guy will act
>>>> when provoked.
>>> Michael, if Goodell is not a complete idiot it is easy.
>>> He can compare this question to the HR policies of any major
>>> organization or company. It would not be allowed.
>>> More importantly, I thought the Fish were planning to draft Dez himself,
>>> not his mother. Questions about his Mom or immediate family have no
>>> relevance to an interview.
>>> If his mom were interviewing for a job, there is a way to ask the
>>> question. How is his Mom's drug use, sex life, or business supposed to
>>> influence a grown man?
>>> Give him a personality test if one wants but this was offensive.
>>> And, Ireland deserves a suspension and fine for this or there is truly a
>>> double standard.
>>> harlan
>> Dead on...and if somebody in a really decent corporation did this...they
>> would get fired. Ireland should get the axe. Period.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Ireland is know for being an intelligent and effective manager that
> has been a big part in brining the Fish back from basement. There has
> never been a single instance of impropriety reported about his
> dealings as GM of the Dolphins. Nothing at all off color in his past
> either professional or personal. Dez has been reported to be a
> distraction, a fool, uneducated, unintelligent, a self important self
> aggrandizing distraction of a player that works hard when he feels
> like it. This behavior is reported to have been a constant for his
> entire college career. Non stop.
>
> Ireland has one questionable moment and you say he should get the
> axe. At the same time, the rest of the world sends Dez well wishes
> for his career and commends him for not choosing violence.
>
> Consider that Ireland did not ask him something like "Is your mother a
> cheap crack whore". May be Ireland had questions about Dez's
> character and he wanted to see if Dez had moved on from a very tuff
> start in life with balance and dignity. Asking about his Mother's
> past including such a hard question as the prostitution thing IMHO is
> not off limits nor is it an unfair or question. Remember... The team
> that drafts him is paying millions and risking a lot.

Figures.


== 9 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 8:10 am
From: Michael


On Apr 29, 11:05 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:

<SNIP>

>Figures.

Can you expand on that ???


== 10 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 9:12 am
From: Deadmeat


On 4/28/2010 5:03 PM, Johnctx wrote:
> Tutor wrote:
>> On Apr 28, 12:22 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Good question ???
>>
>> Ireland was just trying to find out if Dez had anything in common with
>> the large majority of Dolphin fans.
>>
>
> You are only a prostitute if you are paid.


Your mom tell you that?


== 11 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 9:31 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:e60cdaa5-b1e0-40db-90ae-3937c08423f4@l32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 28, 11:32 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>
> news:harlan-45083D.20101528042010@news60.forteinc.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <9a53075d-cb54-419d-ac91-00d3c0924...@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
> > Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Apr 28, 2:40 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> > Michael wrote:
> >> > > Good question ???
>
> >> > Goodell loves throwing punishment around. Is there a fine in
> >> > Ireland's
> >> > future?
>
> >> this one is gonna be interesting... how can it be determined that
> >> ireland was out of line ??? after all.. what did old bill parcells
> >> say ??? what do you get when you squeez and orange. you could make a
> >> case that it was a legit tactic to see how a questionable guy will act
> >> when provoked.
>
> > Michael, if Goodell is not a complete idiot it is easy.
>
> > He can compare this question to the HR policies of any major
> > organization or company. It would not be allowed.
>
> > More importantly, I thought the Fish were planning to draft Dez himself,
> > not his mother. Questions about his Mom or immediate family have no
> > relevance to an interview.
>
> > If his mom were interviewing for a job, there is a way to ask the
> > question. How is his Mom's drug use, sex life, or business supposed to
> > influence a grown man?
>
> > Give him a personality test if one wants but this was offensive.
>
> > And, Ireland deserves a suspension and fine for this or there is truly a
> > double standard.
>
> > harlan
>
> Dead on...and if somebody in a really decent corporation did this...they
> would get fired. Ireland should get the axe. Period.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ireland is know for being an intelligent and effective manager that
has been a big part in brining the Fish back from basement. There has
never been a single instance of impropriety reported about his
dealings as GM of the Dolphins. Nothing at all off color in his past
either professional or personal. Dez has been reported to be a
distraction, a fool, uneducated, unintelligent, a self important self
aggrandizing distraction of a player that works hard when he feels
like it. This behavior is reported to have been a constant for his
entire college career. Non stop.

Ireland has one questionable moment and you say he should get the
axe. At the same time, the rest of the world sends Dez well wishes
for his career and commends him for not choosing violence.

Consider that Ireland did not ask him something like "Is your mother a
cheap crack whore". May be Ireland had questions about Dez's
character and he wanted to see if Dez had moved on from a very tuff
start in life with balance and dignity. Asking about his Mother's
past including such a hard question as the prostitution thing IMHO is
not off limits nor is it an unfair or question. Remember... The team
that drafts him is paying millions and risking a lot.

Learn how to read...I said if he worked for a reputable corporation that
values it's public image he would get fired...and YES...I think he should
get fired if he asked that question. That's just the way I am....I don't
like arrogant assholes.


== 12 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 9:34 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:a21dce62-17bb-4361-920b-12be50c32944@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 28, 8:10 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <9a53075d-cb54-419d-ac91-00d3c0924...@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Apr 28, 2:40 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> > > Michael wrote:
> > > > Good question ???
>
> > > Goodell loves throwing punishment around. Is there a fine in Ireland's
> > > future?
>
> > this one is gonna be interesting... how can it be determined that
> > ireland was out of line ??? after all.. what did old bill parcells
> > say ??? what do you get when you squeez and orange. you could make a
> > case that it was a legit tactic to see how a questionable guy will act
> > when provoked.
>
> Michael, if Goodell is not a complete idiot it is easy.
>
> He can compare this question to the HR policies of any major
> organization or company. It would not be allowed.

Harlan...

We are talking about football players and the NFL, not Morgan Stanley
and an exec they are interviewing. The expected decorum is a bit
different, no ??? If you bust Ireland using those corporate standards,
than you can beef ANYONE in the NFL for such behavior while on the
job. That means at practice and on the field. Consider the things
that coaches say to players when they are drilling on the field at
practice. Consider the shit talk during a game. If I went to one of
my coworkers now and told him "Hey you mother****R !!!! When I get
back out there I'm gonna kick your F*****G ASS !!!!" I'd say I'd be
in big trouble. If you did that in the NFL, you'd be lauded and get
on the highlights. If Parcells yells at a player at practice "You
piece of chicken shit... He's not a f****ing girl.... Hit Him !!!"
That would make Parcells a tuff and salty coach. If a boss said that
to a guy in a corporate office... He'd be in deep shit. Again... The
NFL is not the corporate world. Dez was not interviewing for an exec
position at Morgan Stanley. No way can you seta precedent to hold the
NFL to those standards. The only ones that would like that are the
lawyers.

Do you realize your double standard is really a "plantation mentality" ?
They are paying him to play football and that has a different set of ethical
standards than if they were going to pay him to be an executive...you can
treat the "player" one way and the "executive caliber" another, and higher
way?

== 13 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 9:51 am
From: Michael


On Apr 29, 12:31 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message

<SNIP>

> Learn how to read...I said if he worked for a reputable corporation that
> values it's public image he would get fired...and YES...I think he should
> get fired if he asked that question.  That's just the way I am....I don't
> like arrogant assholes.- Hide quoted text -

The Dolphins are not a reputable organization that values its public
image ??? You are considering that Ireland in an arrogant asshole yet
you did not whiteness the tenor of the interview for yourself ???
Arrogance bothers you, but a self important and self aggrandizing guy
like Dez is reported to be deserves your praise and well wishes ???
You stated in a former post that you would "BE DAMMED" before you
judge and discount a guy like Santonio or another player that commits
questionable acts time and again ??? Such a person as Santonion
deserves a second chance and should get his spot in an NFL team.
We'll understand the game they play and understand that due to
occupational influences, it could help to bring them to violence or
some other questionable act. But Ireland... Quite another story. He
should get the axe huh ??? No mitigating factors. No understand. No
second chances. Just your JUDGMENT that he is an arrogant asshole and
should get the axe. Brilliant.


== 14 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 9:55 am
From: Michael


On Apr 29, 12:34 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:

<SNIP>

> Do you realize your double standard is really a "plantation mentality" ?
> They are paying him to play football and that has a different set of ethical
> standards than if they were going to pay him to be an executive...you can
> treat the "player" one way and the "executive caliber" another, and higher
> way?- Hide quoted text -

As of right now, I'm not convinced the question that Ireland asked was
off base considering the circumstances and the job he was applying
for.


== 15 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 1:43 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Apr 28, 2:41 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2:32 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 28, 12:22 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > Good question ???
>
> > I give Dez all the credit in the world for not punching him out.
>
> if dez got physical, he would have blown his first round status.   you
> know how the media would have played it.  "troubled college nfl draft
> prospect dez bryant attacks dolphin's gm"

Oh I know that but still, it was pretty much an insult for him to say
that.


== 16 of 16 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 2:18 pm
From: Deadmeat


On 4/29/2010 12:55 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Apr 29, 12:34 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>
>> Do you realize your double standard is really a "plantation mentality" ?
>> They are paying him to play football and that has a different set of ethical
>> standards than if they were going to pay him to be an executive...you can
>> treat the "player" one way and the "executive caliber" another, and higher
>> way?- Hide quoted text -
>
> As of right now, I'm not convinced the question that Ireland asked was
> off base considering the circumstances and the job he was applying
> for.


http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/13327/wiley-on-ireland-teams-need-to-know


Wiley agrees with you.

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TOPIC: cowboys draft board leaked
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4e971eb8bd92bf83?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 5:45 am
From: Johnctx


MZ wrote:
> Johnctx wrote:
>> MZ wrote:
>>> http://dallascowboystimes.com/2010/04/cowboys-war-room-pictures-the-draft-board/
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks to our friends at Cowboys Zone, we acquired two pictures of
>>> the Cowboys' Draft War Room. The second of these provides an
>>> up-close glimpse of the Cowboys' draft board. Below is a list of the
>>> names we were able to decipher, along with the round and order in
>>> which the Cowboys graded that prospect. Note that, due to the
>>> positioning of Jerry's arm in the photo and the ineligibility of some
>>> of the names, this is not a comprehensive list.
>>
>> I wonder if any team has their video guy watching the draft in hope of
>> catching something like this?
>>
>> Also I don't know if it means anything but Dallas & the Jets had
>> Wilson rated over Devin McCourty & Kareem Jackson.
>
> We know Dallas did. The Jets did too? How do you know that?

Stop hitting me with logic or you will be sent away. You are correct as
we didn't have the chance.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 8:06 am
From: MZ


Johnctx wrote:
> MZ wrote:
>> Johnctx wrote:
>>> MZ wrote:
>>>> http://dallascowboystimes.com/2010/04/cowboys-war-room-pictures-the-draft-board/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to our friends at Cowboys Zone, we acquired two pictures of
>>>> the Cowboys' Draft War Room. The second of these provides an
>>>> up-close glimpse of the Cowboys' draft board. Below is a list of
>>>> the names we were able to decipher, along with the round and order
>>>> in which the Cowboys graded that prospect. Note that, due to the
>>>> positioning of Jerry's arm in the photo and the ineligibility of
>>>> some of the names, this is not a comprehensive list.
>>>
>>> I wonder if any team has their video guy watching the draft in hope
>>> of catching something like this?
>>>
>>> Also I don't know if it means anything but Dallas & the Jets had
>>> Wilson rated over Devin McCourty & Kareem Jackson.
>>
>> We know Dallas did. The Jets did too? How do you know that?
>
> Stop hitting me with logic or you will be sent away. You are correct as
> we didn't have the chance.

Haha I was hoping you found pics of Rex eating a hamburger in front of
the Jets draft board. Err...turkey burger now.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 8:56 am
From: graybeard


On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:06:14 -0400 MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:

>Haha I was hoping you found pics of Rex eating a hamburger in front of
>the Jets draft board. Err...turkey burger now.

I've always wondered why a patty made of turkey or any other meat can't
be called a hamburger. After all, I've never actually seen a hamburger
made of ham. ;-)
--
graybeard


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 9:24 am
From: Johnctx


MZ wrote:
> Johnctx wrote:
>> MZ wrote:
>>> Johnctx wrote:
>>>> MZ wrote:
>>>>> http://dallascowboystimes.com/2010/04/cowboys-war-room-pictures-the-draft-board/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to our friends at Cowboys Zone, we acquired two pictures of
>>>>> the Cowboys' Draft War Room. The second of these provides an
>>>>> up-close glimpse of the Cowboys' draft board. Below is a list of
>>>>> the names we were able to decipher, along with the round and order
>>>>> in which the Cowboys graded that prospect. Note that, due to the
>>>>> positioning of Jerry's arm in the photo and the ineligibility of
>>>>> some of the names, this is not a comprehensive list.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if any team has their video guy watching the draft in hope
>>>> of catching something like this?
>>>>
>>>> Also I don't know if it means anything but Dallas & the Jets had
>>>> Wilson rated over Devin McCourty & Kareem Jackson.
>>>
>>> We know Dallas did. The Jets did too? How do you know that?
>>
>> Stop hitting me with logic or you will be sent away. You are correct
>> as we didn't have the chance.
>
> Haha I was hoping you found pics of Rex eating a hamburger in front of
> the Jets draft board. Err...turkey burger now.

No just me eating crow. Good catch you f***er.

:)

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TOPIC: UFA Tanner, Texas
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c10ce3397f7f2bbe?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 5:57 am
From: Johnctx


Harlan Lachman wrote:
> In article <htidncyNQuCy3UrWnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Johnctx <jc@spamtx.net> wrote:
>
>> A buddy I trust claims this kid from Texas might have some value. He
>> was also academic All Big 12 as well. When was the last time we found
>> an OL as a UFA?
>>
>> http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=1707
>>
>> Thus far unheralded offensive lineman Charlie Tanner has turned in a
>> terrific workout. Tanner started the day by completing 35 reps on the
>> bench, posted a vertical jump of 36 inches then ran his 40 in times as
>> fast as 5.06 seconds. His official average times for the two runs will
>> be in the range of 5.12 seconds. His ten yard split was 1.72 seconds.
>> Tanner¹s short shuttle time was also a very solid 4.55 seconds.
>>
>> 04/01/2010 - PRO DAY RESULTS: 79 scouts and coaches representing 30
>> teams (the Rams and Lions were the only two not represented), including
>> three head coaches, came together to watch. G Charlie Tanner (6-3 7/8,
>> 305) ran 5.20 and 5.12 in the 40. Tanner posted a 36-inch vertical jump,
>> a 9-foot, 3-inch broad jump and a 4.38-second short shuttle ??? all
>> numbers that would have put him in the top-10 amongst offensive linemen
>> at the combine. His vertical jump would have beaten out Oklahoma T Trent
>> Williams' top mark of 34 1/2 inches, while his 4.38-second short shuttle
>> would have shattered the best mark at the combine ??? a time of 4.51
>> second set by Arizona State OL Shawn Lauvao. Combined with a 5.20 and
>> 5.12 in the 40, Tanner certainly helped his stock Wednesday. - Gil
>> Brandt, NFL.com
>
> But since even though they had Colt McCoy and Shipley they could not run
> the ball, likely not.
>
> Harlan

If he wasn't picked there was a reason but don't underestimate what a
bad football coach Mack Brown is on the field. He is clueless but has
great recruits, great program, and would make most big programs better.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 6:14 am
From: Johnctx


Johnctx wrote:
> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>> In article <htidncyNQuCy3UrWnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> Johnctx <jc@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> A buddy I trust claims this kid from Texas might have some value. He
>>> was also academic All Big 12 as well. When was the last time we
>>> found an OL as a UFA?
>>>
>>> http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=1707
>>>
>>> Thus far unheralded offensive lineman Charlie Tanner has turned in a
>>> terrific workout. Tanner started the day by completing 35 reps on
>>> the bench, posted a vertical jump of 36 inches then ran his 40 in
>>> times as fast as 5.06 seconds. His official average times for the
>>> two runs will be in the range of 5.12 seconds. His ten yard split
>>> was 1.72 seconds. Tanner¹s short shuttle time was also a very solid
>>> 4.55 seconds.
>>>
>>> 04/01/2010 - PRO DAY RESULTS: 79 scouts and coaches representing 30
>>> teams (the Rams and Lions were the only two not represented),
>>> including three head coaches, came together to watch. G Charlie
>>> Tanner (6-3 7/8, 305) ran 5.20 and 5.12 in the 40. Tanner posted a
>>> 36-inch vertical jump, a 9-foot, 3-inch broad jump and a 4.38-second
>>> short shuttle ??? all numbers that would have put him in the top-10
>>> amongst offensive linemen at the combine. His vertical jump would
>>> have beaten out Oklahoma T Trent Williams' top mark of 34 1/2 inches,
>>> while his 4.38-second short shuttle would have shattered the best
>>> mark at the combine ??? a time of 4.51 second set by Arizona State OL
>>> Shawn Lauvao. Combined with a 5.20 and 5.12 in the 40, Tanner
>>> certainly helped his stock Wednesday. - Gil Brandt, NFL.com
>>
>> But since even though they had Colt McCoy and Shipley they could not
>> run the ball, likely not.
>>
>> Harlan
>
> If he wasn't picked there was a reason but don't underestimate what a
> bad football coach Mack Brown is on the field. He is clueless but has
> great recruits, great program, and would make most big programs better.

& really if he had any RB's didn't use them but that wouldn't be the
first time.

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TOPIC: Joe McKnight article
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8cf4e0a29f44c306?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 6:28 am
From: Johnctx


There are LSU fans that still would like to shoot him.

You know who he is built like? Chris Johnson of the titans.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/news/story?id=5143471

Wednesday, April 28, 2010
Joe McKnight wants to run from his past
By Rich Cimini
ESPNNewYork.com

Joe McKnight will report to the New York Jets' rookie minicamp this
weekend, and, for perhaps the first time in his football life, he won't
be treated like a rock star.

He's OK with that. After everything he has experienced, from raising the
spirits of his Louisiana hometown in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina
to carrying the weight of unrealistic expectations at USC, he's tired of
the heavy lifting.

All he wants is to play football. He just wants to be Joe again. Which,
of course, raises the question: Where did Joe go?

Joe used to be poetry with a football in his hands. He was so dynamic
during a legendary prep career in New Orleans, he made grizzled college
recruiters behave like teenage boys on their first date. Joe averaged
nearly 16 yards per carry as senior at John Curtis Christian High
School, where he scored 22 touchdowns five different ways -- running,
receiving, returning punts, returning kickoffs and intercepting passes.
Everybody assumed he'd win the Heisman Trophy some day; the only
question was how many times.

Turns out the only Heismans he saw were the seven trophies on display in
USC's Heritage Hall. Considering all the the pre-college hype, Joe's
three-year career at USC was unfulfilling. The Jets got him with a
fourth-round pick, so no one is expecting miracles. His job is to
replace the popular Leon Washington as an all-purpose back, so he's not
walking into a high-pressure situation. That's probably a good thing

"Joe has come up a hard road, but he's got all kinds of special
abilities," former USC coach Pete Carroll told ESPNNewYork.com from his
new office inside the Seattle Seahawks' facility. "He'll fit right in.
That role won't be too big for him at all."

From the time he started as a 5-year-old on the pee-wee level, Joe was
so gifted that he became bigger than the games. But his life changed
before his junior year in high school after New Orleans was devastated
by Katrina. Joe evacuated to Shreveport when the levees broke, and he
wound up separated from his mother for a month. She had evacuated to
Baton Rouge.

Football season was coming, but Joe couldn't get home. His house was
destroyed by the hurricane. He enrolled at the Evangel Christian Academy
in Shreveport, but only played two games. He eventually got back to New
Orleans -- what was left of it -- and back to his team. He still had no
home. He moved in with his high-school coach, J.T. Curtis, and they
leaned on football and each other, hoping their team could heal the
community's broken soul. In the Deep South, high school football can
inspire like a Sunday-morning sermon.

In the first game after Katrina, Joe gave the town something to cheer
about. After a slow start, what you'd expect after several weeks without
practice, he turned a nowhere, off-tackle run into a 60-yard touchdown.
He disappeared into a crowd of defenders, like Clark Kent in a phone
booth, and came out as a blur. The applause lasted for more than a year,
as Joe piled up ridiculous numbers and led Curtis to a state championship.

"That run," said Curtis, whose father founded the school, "is one I
don't think I'll ever forget."

When it came time to pick a college, most of the local folks assumed,
more like wished, prayed and hoped, Joe would choose LSU. It was only
natural, right? USC also wanted him badly, as did Ole Miss. In "Meat
Market," a book by ESPN The Magzine's Bruce Feldman that chronicles
recruiting wars in the SEC, Ole Miss coach Ed Orgeron says, "If he comes
to Oxford, we'll change the bricks on Manning Way to McKnight Way."

Joe's decision to attend USC was regarded by the local folk as an act of
treason. That spring, at the Mardi Gras parade, the Curtis High marching
band was jeered because Joe had spurned LSU. Joe's mother, Jennifer
McKnight, said she still gets an occasional dirty look in public. Ditto,
Curtis.

"Some people are still angry at me," he said. "They think it was my job
to make sure he picked LSU."

Even after he picked USC, televised live, Joe still couldn't run from
great expectations. In L.A., he was hailed as The Next Reggie Bush. The
former Heisman winner, drafted by Joe's hometown Saints in 2006, was a
breathtaking open-field runner. So was Joe. Bush could line up in
different positions and catch the ball like a polished wide receiver. So
could Joe. The Reggie talk was relentless, and it followed him the
better part of his college career.

"It's totally unfair for anybody," Carroll said of the Bush comparisons.
"Reggie was one of the greatest college players to ever play. Of course,
we wanted to see if we could find the next one. We thought Joe had all
those abilities."

By his own admission, Joe started to believe he was Reggie. As a
freshman, he tried to make every play a highlight, making a fancy move
when a routine move would've sufficed. The production wasn't there, and
those close to him became concerned he was obsessed with being Reggie
Bush. Carroll took some of the blame, saying "we kind of messed him up
early on" by trying to rush him into a prominent role. Even his mother
noticed Joe wasn't right.

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"They looked at him to be the next Reggie Bush, not realizing that
Reggie is Reggie and Joe is Joe," she said. "They needed to let Joe be
Joe. Once he realized that, and let the game come to him, he was fine.
When they played Ohio State, that was Joe, not Reggie."

That was last September, when Joe, never known as the toughest inside
runner, attacked the fierce Ohio State defense for 32 yards on five
carries on a late, game-winning drive. Unfortunately, there weren't many
games like that in his USC career. He was slowed in his first two
seasons by a variety of injuries -- dislocated toes, a sprained knee and
banged-up fingers. He was a part-time player in USC's deep stable of backs.

"Every year, we had great running backs come," McKnight said. "We never
had a chance to show what we were about."

The knock on Joe was that he was immature and didn't like to play hurt,
criticisms that followed him into the NFL draft. One general manager,
speaking on the condition of anonymity, called him "a Ferrari that was
always in the shop."

The slights weren't only coming from coaches and scouts. According to
people close to him, Joe did need to work on himself. They say he
finally realized he needed to chage on Feb. 3, 2009, when his son,
Jaiden, was born. Having a child while he was still in college, "made
him get his head on straight," his mother said. Sometimes that is a
cliché in sports -- how many perspective-changing child births have we
read about? -- but Jaiden's birth really did seem to have a positive
impact on Joe.

For a change, he stayed healthy. He won the starting tailback job and
rushed for 1,014 yards (6.2 per carry), becoming the first USC back to
rush for 1,000 since 2005. Two backs did it that year, LenDale White and
some guy named Reggie. For the first time since childhood, Joe was Joe,
running free, running for Joe, not chasing an icon.

"It took me a while to get that out of my head," McKnight said of the
Bush comparisons. "I mean, it's a lot of pressure. I tried to live up to
the expectations."

Joe never got a chance to take a final bow at USC, as he was suspended
from the Emerald Bowl after it was discovered he was driving an SUV
registered to a Santa Monica businessman. The businessman said he bought
it for Joe's girlfriend, whom he employed, as a favor. USC investigated
for possible NCAA violations.

Goodbye, USC. Hello, NFL draft.

Despite questions about his durability and character, the Jets liked Joe
so much they traded up to select him. The other shoe dropped when they
traded Washington to Carroll, who curiously passed on Joe in the fourth
round, one spot ahead of where the Jets took him. Carroll said he had a
greater need on defense, so he picked Oregon defensive back Walter Thurmond.

The man who knows Joe the best, Curtis, believes the best is yet to come.

"I think he's going to explode on the professional level," he said. "Now
he can just play."

The Jets don't see him as the next Reggie Bush. They don't expect him to
be the next Leon Washington. They just want him to be Joe, the Joe from
2009.

Joe McKnight.

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TOPIC: Local kid needs lobbyists...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5694e80816cab1ca?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Apr 29 2010 7:45 am
From: buRford


I just stumbled on this article... love the kids name, and he went to one of my *alma
maters* ;)


Undrafted Stony Brook RB Conte Cuttino generates internet buzz as Jets rookie mini-camp
nears
By Manish Mehta/The Star-Ledger
April 28, 2010, 6:37PM

The groundswell of support came without warning, a tweeting tidal wave that flooded my
account.

Not long after the NFL draft wrapped up, Jets fans went on a Twitter march for a running
back from their backyard. They recited his stats, relayed his skills and attached a catchy
hashtag to all their tweets -- #Cuttino2NYJets.

Before long, I felt like I'd known Stony Brook's Conte Cuttino my entire life.

For all the transactions the Jets have made this offseason, the fans have one more move
they'd like their team to execute: Give this Long Island kid a chance at rookie mini-camp
this weekend.

Strip away his social media savvy - Cuttino is active on Twitter and Facebook - and here's
what's left: A 5-10, 200-pound running back with impressive skills. Cuttino, Stony Brook's
all-time leading rusher (3,067 yards), gained 836 yards on 177 carries (4.5 ypc) last
season in the Division 1-AA Big South Conference.

Although certain restrictions apply, there's no limit to the number of tryout players for
rookie mini-camps. In other words, the Jets - who recently left their long-time training
camp home at Hofstra - really have nothing to lose to invite the Long Island native.

For now, Mickey Dean (Arkansas-Pine Bluff) and Marlon Lucky (Nebraska) are the only
running backs who will be trying out during the Jets rookie mini-camp April 30-May 2. Rex
Ryan's club, of course, is pretty well set at the position with Shonn Greene, LaDainian
Tomlinson, Joe McKnight and Chauncey Washington.

Cuttino, who starred at Uniondale High School in Long Island, simply wants a chance to
display his skills.

"I can give a team diversification with my abilities," Cuttino told The Star-Ledger in an
email. "I have quickness and catching ability that make me able to be a change-up back. I
can be a threat in the pass game, like screens, routes out the back field and in the slot
position. My drive and determination, along with my talent, makes me a great player to
work with for any coach. I feel that if given the opportunity to participate in a minicamp
or if I am given a tryout, I will open a lot of eyes and raise some eyebrows just like in
my pro days, where I ran a 4.45 40yd at Albany. I truly feel that I have the ability to
matchup or exceed my competition on the field in the NFL."

Cuttino - who has the Twitter handle @Cuttino_01 - has received hundreds of tweets this
week from the Jets' faithful.

A sampling of the support:

From @WVU_RedsNYJ_K_I: "#Cuttino2NYJets only seems logical. He's got potential outta this
world. Watch sum film. I don't care who he is playin against"

From @D_Wyatt13: "Conte's #s compared to RB's at combine: 40 yard (4th best), Vertical
(2nd best), Broad Jump (1st), 3 cone (1st) 20 yard (1st) #Cuttino2NYJets"

From @WG_SPA: "#Cuttino2NYJets Sign this dude Jets!!! He is better then Danny Woodhead!!"

Some people implored Jets players " From @PortugalBoy: "@Revis24 Hey Dude let Mr. T know
that the #Jets fans want @Cuttino_01 to be given a chance. #Cuttino2NYJets"

@Gscott1847 cut right to the chase: "#Cuttino2NYJets #Cuttino2NYJets #Cuttino2NYJets
#Cuttino2NYJets #Cuttino2NYJets #Cuttino2NYJets #Cuttino2NYJets #Cuttino2NYJets #NFL
#NyJets"

"I truly feel blessed to know that I have so many people in my corner as I go about this
journey to achieving my dream," Cuttino said. "Taking my time to network through Facebook
and Twitter and be close to fans and others definitely is paying off. Things can be done
more effectively with hundreds of voices instead of one (me). I thank all that voice their
opinion and support on Twitter and am deeply grateful for them all. I am really humbled by
the outpouring."


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