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Today's topics:

* Some perspective (or Fuck You Floyd) - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f297450cc58f809a?hl=en
* Landis admits, tells of doping on LA and Postal - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8a0290c1bcc162a4?hl=en
* Masters Fatties at risk for stupidity - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0e1b018e2fcf1fab?hl=en
* McQuaid needs an editor - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c79cfd1b7edfd578?hl=en
* Morotized Doping? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c78ad58063d0ada7?hl=en
* Giro, stage 11 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9dbe9f27048a0885?hl=en
* Lance this AM - "I'm 100% clean, always have been and if I'm lying may God
strike me off my bike today" - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/054daff39f109f2f?hl=en
* Flandis going to jail? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ea0d45c68e2cdfb0?hl=en
* Bad Omen - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/fe9afb8a3ae03b39?hl=en

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TOPIC: Some perspective (or Fuck You Floyd)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f297450cc58f809a?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:08 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<4fcce7cf-47b0-4252-893c-3ef265550ecf@c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
Amit Ghosh <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 20, 12:35 pm, "F. Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Dumbasses -
> >
> > Regardless of whether you believe Floyd was doping (I believe he was), he's
> > not credible.
> >
> > Dude's father in law committed suicide after he tested positive. Dude got
> > divorced. Dude spent 4 years crusading about his innocence. He was either
> > lying then or lying now. Credible people don't lie.
> >
> > The time for him to come clean was either right after he tested positive or
> > right after his poor father in law offed himself. Four years later? After he
> > tried to bankrupt the agencies with his legal campaign? Come on.
> >
>
> dumbass,
>
> it possible for a person to lie at one point and not lie at another
> point in time.

A regular liar lies all the time.
Floyd could say "The sun rises in the east."
and still be misleading. When you cannot
trust someone, you cannot trust them.
How do you know that what they say is
the fact of the matter?

--
Old Fritz


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:23 pm
From: Betty Munro


Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> But again, where is David Walsh??? Greg LeMond may be laying low for
>> awhile, perhaps finally taking advice from his attorneys.

K. Fred Gauss wrote:
> There's money to be made in a heart warming reunion between Greg and
> Floyd. Or a cage match.

How about including Lafferty II while you're matchmaking.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:25 pm
From: Betty Munro


Fred Flintstein wrote:
> So who's going to win Dancing With the Stars?

Tonya Harding. Liz will be 2nd.


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 3:42 pm
From: "GoneBeforeMyTime"


GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> Anton Berlin wrote:
>> On May 20, 12:14 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
>>> F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>>> Dumbasses -
>>>
>>>> Regardless of whether you believe Floyd was doping (I believe he
>>>> was)
>>>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>>>
>>> What I remember the most is how he got off his bike when he won the
>>> next stage after he was dead the day before. That sealed the tour,
>>> and I just remember he got off that bike like someone who just
>>> stepped out of a taxi or something. He didn't show a single sign of
>>> being tired, he looked like a terminator and that's very odd to me.
>>> Look at past champions and most of them are practically falling off
>>> their bikes after an effort like that. Look at Indurain or any
>>> number of riders. They rode some epic stages but they usually looked
>>> cooked and had to have help getting off their bikes. Landis got off
>>> that bike like he was balancing the Universe on his little finger. I
>>> just remember people seeing that and saying, shit, he must be on
>>> something.
>>
>> Stephen Roche may have been the last clean* rider to fall off the
>> bike after a hard stage.
>>
>>
>>
>> *1987 Stephen Roche An official Italian investigation into the
>> Carrera team found that Roche was administered EPO (with the help of
>> Francesco Conconi) in 1993, his last year in the peloton. It is
>> alleged that Roche took EPO earlier in his earlier career as well.
>> At one point Roche was threatening to sue Kimmage for his book -
>> Rough Ride which expressed that doping was widespread.
>>
>> Read more:
>> http://cyclinginfo.co.uk/blog/procycling/cycling-doping-scandals/#ixzz0oUqK7JdX
>
> Figuratively speaking, falling off the bike not literally, but I mean
> if you notice most riders after winning a hard important mountain
> stage like that are kind of shaky and definitely all in a lot of
> times, glad that it's over. Landis got off his bike that day like
> Clint Eastwood getting out a limo stepping onto the red carpet and
> speedily walking into the Oscars to win one for Unforgiven. I've
> never seen a rider so fresh and confident as Landis was that day when
> he got off his bike. That was a real head turner, if anyone got a
> Youtube clip of that, impressive, but not authentic obviously.

At 5:25, Phil says Landis gets off his bike like he's ready to deliver the
newspaper.
Talk about looking fresh, looking back that seems just too good to be true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlVuha6m204

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 4:36 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Betty Munro wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> But again, where is David Walsh??? Greg LeMond may be laying low for
>>> awhile, perhaps finally taking advice from his attorneys.
>
> K. Fred Gauss wrote:
>> There's money to be made in a heart warming reunion between Greg and
>> Floyd. Or a cage match.
>
> How about including Lafferty II while you're matchmaking.

When I said "heart warming reunion..." I wasn't thinking of a porn
movie. It's a fun thought, but I doubt there's any money in a movie with
those 3.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 4:37 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Doug Anderson wrote:
> But when
> you are dealing with a person who will say whatever he perceives to be
> to his advantage, you really can't draw conclusions about what is
> true.
>

Nicely said, independent of my opinion of Flandis.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Landis admits, tells of doping on LA and Postal
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8a0290c1bcc162a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:06 pm
From: Betty Munro


raamman wrote:
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703691804575255410855321120.html

If he did send these emails, why the fuck couldn't he wait until July so
rbr could get a double hits from his emails and the inevitable doping
scandal.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:05 pm
From: Betty Munro


curtis@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> He cannot be held responsible for his actions before he turned toward
> the light. It is enough that he is making a clean breast of things

Now you're hurling allegations at Liz the rbr sex symbol.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 4:21 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Michael Press wrote:
> In article <oa9av5t04oi9l38q7gs6a37ae0e94e2u4o@4ax.com>,
> Keith <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 20 May 2010 04:33:31 -0700 (PDT), Henry
>> <snogfest_hosebeast@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On May 20, 5:28 pm, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870369180457525541085532...
>>> so *now* he's telling the whole truth.
>> He's certainly more believable
>
> Only because he is saying things you want to hear.
> Do you think Floyd Landis is more trustworthy than
> he has been since 2006?
>
>> now than he was 4 years ago. Question
>> is whether Bruyneel, Armstrong and Andy Rihs will be asked to comment
>> about this.
>>
>> I'm guessing we'll have a "I have no specific recollection" answer.
>
> Now you are guessing.
>
>> Wonder whether Landis has any pictures or other evidence to support
>> his claims...I'm guess he does...
>
> Always keep your sense of wonder.
>

I'm guessing that Landis also has a signed confession by the Boston
Strangler!

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TOPIC: Masters Fatties at risk for stupidity
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0e1b018e2fcf1fab?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:28 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On May 20, 11:16 am, "F. Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Not too surprising.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8693947.stm

There needs no scientist, my Gringoni, come from the lab to tell us
this.

Sincere apologies to Horatio....

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TOPIC: McQuaid needs an editor
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c79cfd1b7edfd578?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:29 pm
From: Betty Munro


Ben Trovato wrote:
> Like an Irish headmaster w/ empty Jamesons piling up in the bottom
> drawer...

Sounds like something from a (late) Pink Floyd song. Perhaps he's
comfortably numb.

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TOPIC: Morotized Doping?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c78ad58063d0ada7?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:34 pm
From: Tuschinski


On May 20, 10:08 pm, cur...@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> On Thu, 20 May 2010 10:32:17 -0700, "F. Kurgan Gringioni"
>
>
>
> <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"Amit Ghosh" <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:a34cecc5-10af-4c77-b330-88e4a1f13e6a@k31g2000vbu.googlegroups.com...
> >On May 20, 12:55 pm, "F. Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
>
> >> Which part do you have a problem with? The motor? or the battery?
>
> >:: dumbass,
> >::
> >:: the noise.
>
> >Dumbass -
>
> >Electric motors don't make noise. The torque comes via magnetism, there's no
> >combustion.
>
> >For instance, in electric cars, the noise is from the drivetrain. They are
> >very quiet.
>
> >thanks,
>
> >Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>
> I am an expert on electric motors because I used to race those little
> slot cars. Electric motors whir like crazy, then fly off the track and
> sit there smoking and smelling like burnt oil. Who wants that on a
> bike?
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...

Actually, they don't. I have two pedelecs and they are silent. Bafang
and Tonqin are silent consumer brands, I'm sure someone can make
something more sophisticated.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 4:09 pm
From: "Mark J."


DA74 wrote:
> On May 19, 7:06 pm, "F. Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> "Henry" <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:d4ea4b87-e1e9-438e-ac5b-89ecb3d5dc83@t14g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 20, 8:11 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I always kind of thought it was suspicious that Cancellara time
>>>> trialed with those panniers.
>>> as an electronincs luddite, I assume something like this is very easy
>>> to create and hide. Battery and motor in the frame.
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> IMO, in this particular project the electronics are easy and the hard part
>> is mechanical.
>>
>> Very doable, given enough resources. I think it'd be fun to build something
>> like this and use it on some group training ride. Cheating like that in a
>> real race though is just way, way beyond anything done before. It's way
>> worse than doping.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>
> It sounds rickfuckingdiculous. This smells like that other bullshit
> story in ~'03 where Lance was supposedly testing out magnetic bearings
> that would make pedaling a bike like an act of levitation. Plus this
> "motor" weighs four fucking pounds! Come on guys...
> -DA74

Here's the pictures and video. Try to keep up.
http://www.gruberassist.com/english/product/product-description/

Not four pounds, but even then, who cares if the thing carries its own
weight?

Mark J.

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TOPIC: Giro, stage 11
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9dbe9f27048a0885?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:53 pm
From: heather


Frederick the Great wrote:
> At what ratio of lead group to chase group
> does it stop being a break away and becomes
> a bitch slapping?

funny


h

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TOPIC: Lance this AM - "I'm 100% clean, always have been and if I'm lying may
God strike me off my bike today"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/054daff39f109f2f?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 3:49 pm
From: Anton Berlin


.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 4:23 pm
From: bar


On May 20, 6:49 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> .

i wonder if it was those stupid ugly oakleys that cut his pretty face
up?

tyler would have ridden bloody to the finish. what a punk.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 4:46 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Anton Berlin wrote:
> .

When did you find God?


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 4:48 pm
From: "Steve Freides"


K. Fred Gauss wrote:
> Anton Berlin wrote:
>> .
>
> When did you find God?

I hear God's been looking for Anton, and not for good reasons, either,
if you know what I mean.

-S-


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 5:10 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Steve Freides wrote:
> K. Fred Gauss wrote:
>> Anton Berlin wrote:
>>> .
>> When did you find God?
>
> I hear God's been looking for Anton, and not for good reasons, either,
> if you know what I mean.

If you're implying something gay, then yes I do!

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TOPIC: Flandis going to jail?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ea0d45c68e2cdfb0?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 4:52 pm
From: dave a


Lying under oath? Taking money under false pretense?

Fucking idiot.

- dave a

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Bad Omen
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/fe9afb8a3ae03b39?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 7:06 pm
From: "GoneBeforeMyTime"


The way the news portrayed that on National TV news, it just made you think
of a bad omen. First he was saying we like our point of view or the way we
see it rather then the way Floyd sees it. That sort of sounded like our
lawyers are better then his lawyers. That was before the crash, and then
they show Lance after the crash, like say what? What were you saying?

Of course the news love to do shit like that, makes everyone think he's full
of crap like that's what you get for being cocky about it. I always wanted
to look and marvel at the science of Lance as a refreshing diversion from
all the doping scandals. If this thing heats up, we could get to a new
really smelly low in cycling. Oh well, that will give rbr and Lafferty some
new material to fuel the fires.


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* Sort of OT: MSG Can Pay Lebron The most without circumventing the cap - 12
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TOPIC: Sort of OT: MSG Can Pay Lebron The most without circumventing the cap
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f1f43203fcee2312?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 10:05 am
From: Glenn Greenstein


On May 20, 11:59 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> > On May 20, 10:47 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> >> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>> There was a really short article in Forbes about how LeBron will be a
> >>> NY Knick because MSG as of last January can offer Lebron something
> >>> that no other NBA team can, the right to purchase stock options as an
> >>> employee of MSG. This actually makes the Knicks the team that can
> >>> offer him the biggest payout in a combo of salary and stock.
> >>>  I am wondering if this can be done with the Jets. All woody has to do
> >>> is sell the Jets to Johnson and Johnson and Johnson and then spin them
> >>> off. It's exactly what Cablevision did with MSG. This allows players
> >>> to use their own money to purchase discounted shares in the NY Jets
> >>> and sell them at a profit at a later date as a stock option. It
> >>> wouldn't be circumventing the cap because we are not paying the
> >>> player, he is just using his money to buy stock in something that can
> >>> increase because of their star power.
> >> Glenn, the NFL will never allow an NFL team to be owned by a public
> >> company. The last thing they want is financial scrutiny or a situation
> >> like the Packers that although quaint, doesn't allow them to ever be
> >> marketed.
>
> > John, they can't do that, it isn't legal. They would get slapped with
> > an anti-trust lawsuit. They may come up with a different reason to
> > reject them but being a public company isn't one they can use.
>
> Doesn't really matter.  It would still violate the salary cap, and
> probably the union rules.  The only reason the NBA is apparently
> allowing it is because they choose to.  The NFL owners are holding firm
> to this salary cap thing, even in the absence of one.

Mark, you are 100% wrong. The player is investing his own money, he
isn't being gifted the stock options, he has to buy them just like you
or I would. Being a company employee give you access to better deals
than the general public. It is also a risk. i know people who worked
20 years for companies and had a lot of money in stock options that
were worthless when they retired becuase the companies stock had
tanked so it's not even a sure thing.


== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 10:25 am
From: MZ


Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> On May 20, 11:59 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>> On May 20, 10:47 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>>>> There was a really short article in Forbes about how LeBron will be a
>>>>> NY Knick because MSG as of last January can offer Lebron something
>>>>> that no other NBA team can, the right to purchase stock options as an
>>>>> employee of MSG. This actually makes the Knicks the team that can
>>>>> offer him the biggest payout in a combo of salary and stock.
>>>>> I am wondering if this can be done with the Jets. All woody has to do
>>>>> is sell the Jets to Johnson and Johnson and Johnson and then spin them
>>>>> off. It's exactly what Cablevision did with MSG. This allows players
>>>>> to use their own money to purchase discounted shares in the NY Jets
>>>>> and sell them at a profit at a later date as a stock option. It
>>>>> wouldn't be circumventing the cap because we are not paying the
>>>>> player, he is just using his money to buy stock in something that can
>>>>> increase because of their star power.
>>>> Glenn, the NFL will never allow an NFL team to be owned by a public
>>>> company. The last thing they want is financial scrutiny or a situation
>>>> like the Packers that although quaint, doesn't allow them to ever be
>>>> marketed.
>>> John, they can't do that, it isn't legal. They would get slapped with
>>> an anti-trust lawsuit. They may come up with a different reason to
>>> reject them but being a public company isn't one they can use.
>> Doesn't really matter. It would still violate the salary cap, and
>> probably the union rules. The only reason the NBA is apparently
>> allowing it is because they choose to. The NFL owners are holding firm
>> to this salary cap thing, even in the absence of one.
>
> Mark, you are 100% wrong. The player is investing his own money, he
> isn't being gifted the stock options, he has to buy them just like you
> or I would. Being a company employee give you access to better deals
> than the general public. It is also a risk. i know people who worked
> 20 years for companies and had a lot of money in stock options that
> were worthless when they retired becuase the companies stock had
> tanked so it's not even a sure thing.

He's being gifted a discount, Glenn. It would be illegal if he was an
NCAA athlete. The NFL can (and I'm sure HAS) made it illegal too.


== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 10:59 am
From: Glenn Greenstein


On May 20, 1:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> > On May 20, 11:59 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>> On May 20, 10:47 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> >>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>>>> There was a really short article in Forbes about how LeBron will be a
> >>>>> NY Knick because MSG as of last January can offer Lebron something
> >>>>> that no other NBA team can, the right to purchase stock options as an
> >>>>> employee of MSG. This actually makes the Knicks the team that can
> >>>>> offer him the biggest payout in a combo of salary and stock.
> >>>>>  I am wondering if this can be done with the Jets. All woody has to do
> >>>>> is sell the Jets to Johnson and Johnson and Johnson and then spin them
> >>>>> off. It's exactly what Cablevision did with MSG. This allows players
> >>>>> to use their own money to purchase discounted shares in the NY Jets
> >>>>> and sell them at a profit at a later date as a stock option. It
> >>>>> wouldn't be circumventing the cap because we are not paying the
> >>>>> player, he is just using his money to buy stock in something that can
> >>>>> increase because of their star power.
> >>>> Glenn, the NFL will never allow an NFL team to be owned by a public
> >>>> company. The last thing they want is financial scrutiny or a situation
> >>>> like the Packers that although quaint, doesn't allow them to ever be
> >>>> marketed.
> >>> John, they can't do that, it isn't legal. They would get slapped with
> >>> an anti-trust lawsuit. They may come up with a different reason to
> >>> reject them but being a public company isn't one they can use.
> >> Doesn't really matter.  It would still violate the salary cap, and
> >> probably the union rules.  The only reason the NBA is apparently
> >> allowing it is because they choose to.  The NFL owners are holding firm
> >> to this salary cap thing, even in the absence of one.
>
> > Mark, you are 100% wrong. The player is investing his own money, he
> > isn't being gifted the stock options, he has to buy them just like you
> > or I would. Being a company employee give you access to better deals
> > than the general public. It is also a risk. i know people who worked
> > 20 years for companies and had a lot of money in stock options that
> > were worthless when they retired becuase the companies stock had
> > tanked so it's not even a sure thing.
>
> He's being gifted a discount, Glenn.  It would be illegal if he was an
> NCAA athlete.  The NFL can (and I'm sure HAS) made it illegal too.

Mark, you really have no idea what your talking about. I can introduce
you to about 5 different people who work for public companies and were
given exactly what you are saying is not allowed and it is no secret
they get these deals, the whole company knows it. Hell, a cashier at
Wal Mart can get a similar deal.


== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 11:07 am
From: "Ray OHara"

"Glenn Greenstein" <lexa695@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:249ce4de-30bc-4288-994c-
Mark, you really have no idea what your talking about. I can introduce
you to about 5 different people who work for public companies and were
given exactly what you are saying is not allowed and it is no secret
they get these deals, the whole company knows it. Hell, a cashier at
Wal Mart can get a similar deal.


========================================================================

stock options aside, just being in NYC brings personal marketing/endorsement
opportunities worth millions.


== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 11:28 am
From: MZ


Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> On May 20, 1:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>> On May 20, 11:59 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>>>> On May 20, 10:47 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>>>>>> There was a really short article in Forbes about how LeBron will be a
>>>>>>> NY Knick because MSG as of last January can offer Lebron something
>>>>>>> that no other NBA team can, the right to purchase stock options as an
>>>>>>> employee of MSG. This actually makes the Knicks the team that can
>>>>>>> offer him the biggest payout in a combo of salary and stock.
>>>>>>> I am wondering if this can be done with the Jets. All woody has to do
>>>>>>> is sell the Jets to Johnson and Johnson and Johnson and then spin them
>>>>>>> off. It's exactly what Cablevision did with MSG. This allows players
>>>>>>> to use their own money to purchase discounted shares in the NY Jets
>>>>>>> and sell them at a profit at a later date as a stock option. It
>>>>>>> wouldn't be circumventing the cap because we are not paying the
>>>>>>> player, he is just using his money to buy stock in something that can
>>>>>>> increase because of their star power.
>>>>>> Glenn, the NFL will never allow an NFL team to be owned by a public
>>>>>> company. The last thing they want is financial scrutiny or a situation
>>>>>> like the Packers that although quaint, doesn't allow them to ever be
>>>>>> marketed.
>>>>> John, they can't do that, it isn't legal. They would get slapped with
>>>>> an anti-trust lawsuit. They may come up with a different reason to
>>>>> reject them but being a public company isn't one they can use.
>>>> Doesn't really matter. It would still violate the salary cap, and
>>>> probably the union rules. The only reason the NBA is apparently
>>>> allowing it is because they choose to. The NFL owners are holding firm
>>>> to this salary cap thing, even in the absence of one.
>>> Mark, you are 100% wrong. The player is investing his own money, he
>>> isn't being gifted the stock options, he has to buy them just like you
>>> or I would. Being a company employee give you access to better deals
>>> than the general public. It is also a risk. i know people who worked
>>> 20 years for companies and had a lot of money in stock options that
>>> were worthless when they retired becuase the companies stock had
>>> tanked so it's not even a sure thing.
>> He's being gifted a discount, Glenn. It would be illegal if he was an
>> NCAA athlete. The NFL can (and I'm sure HAS) made it illegal too.
>
> Mark, you really have no idea what your talking about. I can introduce
> you to about 5 different people who work for public companies and were
> given exactly what you are saying is not allowed and it is no secret
> they get these deals, the whole company knows it. Hell, a cashier at
> Wal Mart can get a similar deal.

Well, then apparently 32 teams in the league also don't know what
they're talking about. Usenet brilliance hasn't been translated into
reality.


== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 11:29 am
From: MZ


Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> On May 20, 1:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>> On May 20, 11:59 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>>>> On May 20, 10:47 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>>>>>> There was a really short article in Forbes about how LeBron will be a
>>>>>>> NY Knick because MSG as of last January can offer Lebron something
>>>>>>> that no other NBA team can, the right to purchase stock options as an
>>>>>>> employee of MSG. This actually makes the Knicks the team that can
>>>>>>> offer him the biggest payout in a combo of salary and stock.
>>>>>>> I am wondering if this can be done with the Jets. All woody has to do
>>>>>>> is sell the Jets to Johnson and Johnson and Johnson and then spin them
>>>>>>> off. It's exactly what Cablevision did with MSG. This allows players
>>>>>>> to use their own money to purchase discounted shares in the NY Jets
>>>>>>> and sell them at a profit at a later date as a stock option. It
>>>>>>> wouldn't be circumventing the cap because we are not paying the
>>>>>>> player, he is just using his money to buy stock in something that can
>>>>>>> increase because of their star power.
>>>>>> Glenn, the NFL will never allow an NFL team to be owned by a public
>>>>>> company. The last thing they want is financial scrutiny or a situation
>>>>>> like the Packers that although quaint, doesn't allow them to ever be
>>>>>> marketed.
>>>>> John, they can't do that, it isn't legal. They would get slapped with
>>>>> an anti-trust lawsuit. They may come up with a different reason to
>>>>> reject them but being a public company isn't one they can use.
>>>> Doesn't really matter. It would still violate the salary cap, and
>>>> probably the union rules. The only reason the NBA is apparently
>>>> allowing it is because they choose to. The NFL owners are holding firm
>>>> to this salary cap thing, even in the absence of one.
>>> Mark, you are 100% wrong. The player is investing his own money, he
>>> isn't being gifted the stock options, he has to buy them just like you
>>> or I would. Being a company employee give you access to better deals
>>> than the general public. It is also a risk. i know people who worked
>>> 20 years for companies and had a lot of money in stock options that
>>> were worthless when they retired becuase the companies stock had
>>> tanked so it's not even a sure thing.
>> He's being gifted a discount, Glenn. It would be illegal if he was an
>> NCAA athlete. The NFL can (and I'm sure HAS) made it illegal too.
>
> Mark, you really have no idea what your talking about. I can introduce
> you to about 5 different people who work for public companies and were
> given exactly what you are saying is not allowed and it is no secret
> they get these deals, the whole company knows it. Hell, a cashier at
> Wal Mart can get a similar deal.

I think you're confusing my use of the word "illegal". I thought it was
clear that I was talking about against NCAA & NFL regulations, not US law.


== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 11:39 am
From: Glenn Greenstein


On May 20, 2:28 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> > On May 20, 1:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>> On May 20, 11:59 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>>>> On May 20, 10:47 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>>>>>> There was a really short article in Forbes about how LeBron will be a
> >>>>>>> NY Knick because MSG as of last January can offer Lebron something
> >>>>>>> that no other NBA team can, the right to purchase stock options as an
> >>>>>>> employee of MSG. This actually makes the Knicks the team that can
> >>>>>>> offer him the biggest payout in a combo of salary and stock.
> >>>>>>>  I am wondering if this can be done with the Jets. All woody has to do
> >>>>>>> is sell the Jets to Johnson and Johnson and Johnson and then spin them
> >>>>>>> off. It's exactly what Cablevision did with MSG. This allows players
> >>>>>>> to use their own money to purchase discounted shares in the NY Jets
> >>>>>>> and sell them at a profit at a later date as a stock option. It
> >>>>>>> wouldn't be circumventing the cap because we are not paying the
> >>>>>>> player, he is just using his money to buy stock in something that can
> >>>>>>> increase because of their star power.
> >>>>>> Glenn, the NFL will never allow an NFL team to be owned by a public
> >>>>>> company. The last thing they want is financial scrutiny or a situation
> >>>>>> like the Packers that although quaint, doesn't allow them to ever be
> >>>>>> marketed.
> >>>>> John, they can't do that, it isn't legal. They would get slapped with
> >>>>> an anti-trust lawsuit. They may come up with a different reason to
> >>>>> reject them but being a public company isn't one they can use.
> >>>> Doesn't really matter.  It would still violate the salary cap, and
> >>>> probably the union rules.  The only reason the NBA is apparently
> >>>> allowing it is because they choose to.  The NFL owners are holding firm
> >>>> to this salary cap thing, even in the absence of one.
> >>> Mark, you are 100% wrong. The player is investing his own money, he
> >>> isn't being gifted the stock options, he has to buy them just like you
> >>> or I would. Being a company employee give you access to better deals
> >>> than the general public. It is also a risk. i know people who worked
> >>> 20 years for companies and had a lot of money in stock options that
> >>> were worthless when they retired becuase the companies stock had
> >>> tanked so it's not even a sure thing.
> >> He's being gifted a discount, Glenn.  It would be illegal if he was an
> >> NCAA athlete.  The NFL can (and I'm sure HAS) made it illegal too.
>
> > Mark, you really have no idea what your talking about. I can introduce
> > you to about 5 different people who work for public companies and were
> > given exactly what you are saying is not allowed and it is no secret
> > they get these deals, the whole company knows it. Hell, a cashier at
> > Wal Mart can get a similar deal.
>
> Well, then apparently 32 teams in the league also don't know what
> they're talking about.  Usenet brilliance hasn't been translated into
> reality.

Mark, Woody owns a public company just as Dolan does. Woody can do
what cablevision did. He can buy the Jets through Johnson and Johnson
just as Cablevision bought MSG among other things like Blockbuster and
Radio City and then spin them off as a separately traded companies.
There is nothing illegal about any of this. If there is another owner
who owns a public company he can do the same thing but Woody is the
only one I know of, that's why not every team can do this. Maybe
Snyder can do it, not sure where he made his money.


== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 11:42 am
From: Glenn Greenstein


On May 20, 2:29 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> > On May 20, 1:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>> On May 20, 11:59 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>>>> On May 20, 10:47 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>>>>>> There was a really short article in Forbes about how LeBron will be a
> >>>>>>> NY Knick because MSG as of last January can offer Lebron something
> >>>>>>> that no other NBA team can, the right to purchase stock options as an
> >>>>>>> employee of MSG. This actually makes the Knicks the team that can
> >>>>>>> offer him the biggest payout in a combo of salary and stock.
> >>>>>>>  I am wondering if this can be done with the Jets. All woody has to do
> >>>>>>> is sell the Jets to Johnson and Johnson and Johnson and then spin them
> >>>>>>> off. It's exactly what Cablevision did with MSG. This allows players
> >>>>>>> to use their own money to purchase discounted shares in the NY Jets
> >>>>>>> and sell them at a profit at a later date as a stock option. It
> >>>>>>> wouldn't be circumventing the cap because we are not paying the
> >>>>>>> player, he is just using his money to buy stock in something that can
> >>>>>>> increase because of their star power.
> >>>>>> Glenn, the NFL will never allow an NFL team to be owned by a public
> >>>>>> company. The last thing they want is financial scrutiny or a situation
> >>>>>> like the Packers that although quaint, doesn't allow them to ever be
> >>>>>> marketed.
> >>>>> John, they can't do that, it isn't legal. They would get slapped with
> >>>>> an anti-trust lawsuit. They may come up with a different reason to
> >>>>> reject them but being a public company isn't one they can use.
> >>>> Doesn't really matter.  It would still violate the salary cap, and
> >>>> probably the union rules.  The only reason the NBA is apparently
> >>>> allowing it is because they choose to.  The NFL owners are holding firm
> >>>> to this salary cap thing, even in the absence of one.
> >>> Mark, you are 100% wrong. The player is investing his own money, he
> >>> isn't being gifted the stock options, he has to buy them just like you
> >>> or I would. Being a company employee give you access to better deals
> >>> than the general public. It is also a risk. i know people who worked
> >>> 20 years for companies and had a lot of money in stock options that
> >>> were worthless when they retired becuase the companies stock had
> >>> tanked so it's not even a sure thing.
> >> He's being gifted a discount, Glenn.  It would be illegal if he was an
> >> NCAA athlete.  The NFL can (and I'm sure HAS) made it illegal too.
>
> > Mark, you really have no idea what your talking about. I can introduce
> > you to about 5 different people who work for public companies and were
> > given exactly what you are saying is not allowed and it is no secret
> > they get these deals, the whole company knows it. Hell, a cashier at
> > Wal Mart can get a similar deal.
>
> I think you're confusing my use of the word "illegal".  I thought it was
> clear that I was talking about against NCAA & NFL regulations, not US law.

First off an NCAA player can't even work in a grocery store let alone
get stock options so there is no argument there. What rule or
regulation does a player break when he is buying stock options that
are offered to him in the same manner as they are offered to thousands
of people that work for public companies.
Please be specific.
And bte, the NBA cap is far more complex the the NFL one so if it
works there I am pretty sure it works in the NFL.


== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 12:19 pm
From: MZ


Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> On May 20, 2:29 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>> On May 20, 1:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>>>> On May 20, 11:59 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 20, 10:47 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>>>>>>>> There was a really short article in Forbes about how LeBron will be a
>>>>>>>>> NY Knick because MSG as of last January can offer Lebron something
>>>>>>>>> that no other NBA team can, the right to purchase stock options as an
>>>>>>>>> employee of MSG. This actually makes the Knicks the team that can
>>>>>>>>> offer him the biggest payout in a combo of salary and stock.
>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if this can be done with the Jets. All woody has to do
>>>>>>>>> is sell the Jets to Johnson and Johnson and Johnson and then spin them
>>>>>>>>> off. It's exactly what Cablevision did with MSG. This allows players
>>>>>>>>> to use their own money to purchase discounted shares in the NY Jets
>>>>>>>>> and sell them at a profit at a later date as a stock option. It
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be circumventing the cap because we are not paying the
>>>>>>>>> player, he is just using his money to buy stock in something that can
>>>>>>>>> increase because of their star power.
>>>>>>>> Glenn, the NFL will never allow an NFL team to be owned by a public
>>>>>>>> company. The last thing they want is financial scrutiny or a situation
>>>>>>>> like the Packers that although quaint, doesn't allow them to ever be
>>>>>>>> marketed.
>>>>>>> John, they can't do that, it isn't legal. They would get slapped with
>>>>>>> an anti-trust lawsuit. They may come up with a different reason to
>>>>>>> reject them but being a public company isn't one they can use.
>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It would still violate the salary cap, and
>>>>>> probably the union rules. The only reason the NBA is apparently
>>>>>> allowing it is because they choose to. The NFL owners are holding firm
>>>>>> to this salary cap thing, even in the absence of one.
>>>>> Mark, you are 100% wrong. The player is investing his own money, he
>>>>> isn't being gifted the stock options, he has to buy them just like you
>>>>> or I would. Being a company employee give you access to better deals
>>>>> than the general public. It is also a risk. i know people who worked
>>>>> 20 years for companies and had a lot of money in stock options that
>>>>> were worthless when they retired becuase the companies stock had
>>>>> tanked so it's not even a sure thing.
>>>> He's being gifted a discount, Glenn. It would be illegal if he was an
>>>> NCAA athlete. The NFL can (and I'm sure HAS) made it illegal too.
>>> Mark, you really have no idea what your talking about. I can introduce
>>> you to about 5 different people who work for public companies and were
>>> given exactly what you are saying is not allowed and it is no secret
>>> they get these deals, the whole company knows it. Hell, a cashier at
>>> Wal Mart can get a similar deal.
>> I think you're confusing my use of the word "illegal". I thought it was
>> clear that I was talking about against NCAA & NFL regulations, not US law.
>
> First off an NCAA player can't even work in a grocery store let alone
> get stock options so there is no argument there. What rule or
> regulation does a player break when he is buying stock options that
> are offered to him in the same manner as they are offered to thousands
> of people that work for public companies.
> Please be specific.
> And bte, the NBA cap is far more complex the the NFL one so if it
> works there I am pretty sure it works in the NFL.

Then please explain to me why there hasn't been a single team in the NFL
that has offered players stock options to circumvent the salary cap.

I'll tell you why. Because it's against the rules.

Stock options = salary. From the CBA, salary includes "compensation in
money, property, investments, loans or anything else of value to which
an NFL player may be awarded."


== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:24 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


On May 20, 3:19 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> > On May 20, 2:29 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>> On May 20, 1:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>>>> On May 20, 11:59 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >>>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>>>>>> On May 20, 10:47 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> There was a really short article in Forbes about how LeBron will be a
> >>>>>>>>> NY Knick because MSG as of last January can offer Lebron something
> >>>>>>>>> that no other NBA team can, the right to purchase stock options as an
> >>>>>>>>> employee of MSG. This actually makes the Knicks the team that can
> >>>>>>>>> offer him the biggest payout in a combo of salary and stock.
> >>>>>>>>>  I am wondering if this can be done with the Jets. All woody has to do
> >>>>>>>>> is sell the Jets to Johnson and Johnson and Johnson and then spin them
> >>>>>>>>> off. It's exactly what Cablevision did with MSG. This allows players
> >>>>>>>>> to use their own money to purchase discounted shares in the NY Jets
> >>>>>>>>> and sell them at a profit at a later date as a stock option. It
> >>>>>>>>> wouldn't be circumventing the cap because we are not paying the
> >>>>>>>>> player, he is just using his money to buy stock in something that can
> >>>>>>>>> increase because of their star power.
> >>>>>>>> Glenn, the NFL will never allow an NFL team to be owned by a public
> >>>>>>>> company. The last thing they want is financial scrutiny or a situation
> >>>>>>>> like the Packers that although quaint, doesn't allow them to ever be
> >>>>>>>> marketed.
> >>>>>>> John, they can't do that, it isn't legal. They would get slapped with
> >>>>>>> an anti-trust lawsuit. They may come up with a different reason to
> >>>>>>> reject them but being a public company isn't one they can use.
> >>>>>> Doesn't really matter.  It would still violate the salary cap, and
> >>>>>> probably the union rules.  The only reason the NBA is apparently
> >>>>>> allowing it is because they choose to.  The NFL owners are holding firm
> >>>>>> to this salary cap thing, even in the absence of one.
> >>>>> Mark, you are 100% wrong. The player is investing his own money, he
> >>>>> isn't being gifted the stock options, he has to buy them just like you
> >>>>> or I would. Being a company employee give you access to better deals
> >>>>> than the general public. It is also a risk. i know people who worked
> >>>>> 20 years for companies and had a lot of money in stock options that
> >>>>> were worthless when they retired becuase the companies stock had
> >>>>> tanked so it's not even a sure thing.
> >>>> He's being gifted a discount, Glenn.  It would be illegal if he was an
> >>>> NCAA athlete.  The NFL can (and I'm sure HAS) made it illegal too.
> >>> Mark, you really have no idea what your talking about. I can introduce
> >>> you to about 5 different people who work for public companies and were
> >>> given exactly what you are saying is not allowed and it is no secret
> >>> they get these deals, the whole company knows it. Hell, a cashier at
> >>> Wal Mart can get a similar deal.
> >> I think you're confusing my use of the word "illegal".  I thought it was
> >> clear that I was talking about against NCAA & NFL regulations, not US law.
>
> > First off an NCAA player can't even work in a grocery store let alone
> > get stock options so there is no argument there. What rule or
> > regulation does a player break when he is buying stock options that
> > are offered to him in the same manner as they are offered to thousands
> > of people that work for public companies.
> > Please be specific.
> > And bte, the NBA cap is far more complex the the NFL one so if it
> > works there I am pretty sure it works in the NFL.
>
> Then please explain to me why there hasn't been a single team in the NFL
> that has offered players stock options to circumvent the salary cap.
>
> I'll tell you why.  Because it's against the rules.
>
> Stock options = salary.  From the CBA, salary includes "compensation in
> money, property, investments, loans or anything else of value to which
> an NFL player may be awarded."

It's because there are no NFL teams except the Packers that are public
and if they were offered stock options it is a private matter or do
you think a player needs to tell the public about his investment
portfolio. For all we know Packer players are offered options, it just
is not in a contract and doesn't have to be because it is a personnel
matter if he buys them. What you are thinking of is when a company
hires a new CEO or CFO and part of his compensation is company stock
as an incentive for him to do a good job. Keep the margins fat and you
get a lot of money but make a lot of bad decisions and those options
are not worth the paper they are written on.
Also what you quoted doesn't address what I am speaking of. I am
talking about a player investing his own money, what you are talking
about is being awarded to the player. Awarded is the key word here, I
am talking about buying.Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?


== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:54 pm
From: MZ


Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> On May 20, 3:19 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>> On May 20, 2:29 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>>>> On May 20, 1:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 20, 11:59 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 10:47 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> There was a really short article in Forbes about how LeBron will be a
>>>>>>>>>>> NY Knick because MSG as of last January can offer Lebron something
>>>>>>>>>>> that no other NBA team can, the right to purchase stock options as an
>>>>>>>>>>> employee of MSG. This actually makes the Knicks the team that can
>>>>>>>>>>> offer him the biggest payout in a combo of salary and stock.
>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if this can be done with the Jets. All woody has to do
>>>>>>>>>>> is sell the Jets to Johnson and Johnson and Johnson and then spin them
>>>>>>>>>>> off. It's exactly what Cablevision did with MSG. This allows players
>>>>>>>>>>> to use their own money to purchase discounted shares in the NY Jets
>>>>>>>>>>> and sell them at a profit at a later date as a stock option. It
>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be circumventing the cap because we are not paying the
>>>>>>>>>>> player, he is just using his money to buy stock in something that can
>>>>>>>>>>> increase because of their star power.
>>>>>>>>>> Glenn, the NFL will never allow an NFL team to be owned by a public
>>>>>>>>>> company. The last thing they want is financial scrutiny or a situation
>>>>>>>>>> like the Packers that although quaint, doesn't allow them to ever be
>>>>>>>>>> marketed.
>>>>>>>>> John, they can't do that, it isn't legal. They would get slapped with
>>>>>>>>> an anti-trust lawsuit. They may come up with a different reason to
>>>>>>>>> reject them but being a public company isn't one they can use.
>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It would still violate the salary cap, and
>>>>>>>> probably the union rules. The only reason the NBA is apparently
>>>>>>>> allowing it is because they choose to. The NFL owners are holding firm
>>>>>>>> to this salary cap thing, even in the absence of one.
>>>>>>> Mark, you are 100% wrong. The player is investing his own money, he
>>>>>>> isn't being gifted the stock options, he has to buy them just like you
>>>>>>> or I would. Being a company employee give you access to better deals
>>>>>>> than the general public. It is also a risk. i know people who worked
>>>>>>> 20 years for companies and had a lot of money in stock options that
>>>>>>> were worthless when they retired becuase the companies stock had
>>>>>>> tanked so it's not even a sure thing.
>>>>>> He's being gifted a discount, Glenn. It would be illegal if he was an
>>>>>> NCAA athlete. The NFL can (and I'm sure HAS) made it illegal too.
>>>>> Mark, you really have no idea what your talking about. I can introduce
>>>>> you to about 5 different people who work for public companies and were
>>>>> given exactly what you are saying is not allowed and it is no secret
>>>>> they get these deals, the whole company knows it. Hell, a cashier at
>>>>> Wal Mart can get a similar deal.
>>>> I think you're confusing my use of the word "illegal". I thought it was
>>>> clear that I was talking about against NCAA & NFL regulations, not US law.
>>> First off an NCAA player can't even work in a grocery store let alone
>>> get stock options so there is no argument there. What rule or
>>> regulation does a player break when he is buying stock options that
>>> are offered to him in the same manner as they are offered to thousands
>>> of people that work for public companies.
>>> Please be specific.
>>> And bte, the NBA cap is far more complex the the NFL one so if it
>>> works there I am pretty sure it works in the NFL.
>> Then please explain to me why there hasn't been a single team in the NFL
>> that has offered players stock options to circumvent the salary cap.
>>
>> I'll tell you why. Because it's against the rules.
>>
>> Stock options = salary. From the CBA, salary includes "compensation in
>> money, property, investments, loans or anything else of value to which
>> an NFL player may be awarded."
>
> It's because there are no NFL teams except the Packers that are public
> and if they were offered stock options it is a private matter or do
> you think a player needs to tell the public about his investment
> portfolio.For all we know Packer players are offered options, it just
> is not in a contract and doesn't have to be because it is a personnel
> matter if he buys them. What you are thinking of is when a company
> hires a new CEO or CFO and part of his compensation is company stock
> as an incentive for him to do a good job. Keep the margins fat and you
> get a lot of money but make a lot of bad decisions and those options
> are not worth the paper they are written on.
> Also what you quoted doesn't address what I am speaking of. I am
> talking about a player investing his own money, what you are talking
> about is being awarded to the player. Awarded is the key word here, I
> am talking about buying.Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

Glenn, the CBA is clear. I don't know why you're having trouble with
this. Salary is defined broadly. Stock options, or ANYTHING else of
"value to which an NFL player may be awarded", counts against the cap.


== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 6:22 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


On May 20, 5:54 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> > On May 20, 3:19 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>> On May 20, 2:29 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>>>> On May 20, 1:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >>>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>>>>>> On May 20, 11:59 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On May 20, 10:47 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> There was a really short article in Forbes about how LeBron will be a
> >>>>>>>>>>> NY Knick because MSG as of last January can offer Lebron something
> >>>>>>>>>>> that no other NBA team can, the right to purchase stock options as an
> >>>>>>>>>>> employee of MSG. This actually makes the Knicks the team that can
> >>>>>>>>>>> offer him the biggest payout in a combo of salary and stock.
> >>>>>>>>>>>  I am wondering if this can be done with the Jets. All woody has to do
> >>>>>>>>>>> is sell the Jets to Johnson and Johnson and Johnson and then spin them
> >>>>>>>>>>> off. It's exactly what Cablevision did with MSG. This allows players
> >>>>>>>>>>> to use their own money to purchase discounted shares in the NY Jets
> >>>>>>>>>>> and sell them at a profit at a later date as a stock option. It
> >>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be circumventing the cap because we are not paying the
> >>>>>>>>>>> player, he is just using his money to buy stock in something that can
> >>>>>>>>>>> increase because of their star power.
> >>>>>>>>>> Glenn, the NFL will never allow an NFL team to be owned by a public
> >>>>>>>>>> company. The last thing they want is financial scrutiny or a situation
> >>>>>>>>>> like the Packers that although quaint, doesn't allow them to ever be
> >>>>>>>>>> marketed.
> >>>>>>>>> John, they can't do that, it isn't legal. They would get slapped with
> >>>>>>>>> an anti-trust lawsuit. They may come up with a different reason to
> >>>>>>>>> reject them but being a public company isn't one they can use.
> >>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter.  It would still violate the salary cap, and
> >>>>>>>> probably the union rules.  The only reason the NBA is apparently
> >>>>>>>> allowing it is because they choose to.  The NFL owners are holding firm
> >>>>>>>> to this salary cap thing, even in the absence of one.
> >>>>>>> Mark, you are 100% wrong. The player is investing his own money, he
> >>>>>>> isn't being gifted the stock options, he has to buy them just like you
> >>>>>>> or I would. Being a company employee give you access to better deals
> >>>>>>> than the general public. It is also a risk. i know people who worked
> >>>>>>> 20 years for companies and had a lot of money in stock options that
> >>>>>>> were worthless when they retired becuase the companies stock had
> >>>>>>> tanked so it's not even a sure thing.
> >>>>>> He's being gifted a discount, Glenn.  It would be illegal if he was an
> >>>>>> NCAA athlete.  The NFL can (and I'm sure HAS) made it illegal too.
> >>>>> Mark, you really have no idea what your talking about. I can introduce
> >>>>> you to about 5 different people who work for public companies and were
> >>>>> given exactly what you are saying is not allowed and it is no secret
> >>>>> they get these deals, the whole company knows it. Hell, a cashier at
> >>>>> Wal Mart can get a similar deal.
> >>>> I think you're confusing my use of the word "illegal".  I thought it was
> >>>> clear that I was talking about against NCAA & NFL regulations, not US law.
> >>> First off an NCAA player can't even work in a grocery store let alone
> >>> get stock options so there is no argument there. What rule or
> >>> regulation does a player break when he is buying stock options that
> >>> are offered to him in the same manner as they are offered to thousands
> >>> of people that work for public companies.
> >>> Please be specific.
> >>> And bte, the NBA cap is far more complex the the NFL one so if it
> >>> works there I am pretty sure it works in the NFL.
> >> Then please explain to me why there hasn't been a single team in the NFL
> >> that has offered players stock options to circumvent the salary cap.
>
> >> I'll tell you why.  Because it's against the rules.
>
> >> Stock options = salary.  From the CBA, salary includes "compensation in
> >> money, property, investments, loans or anything else of value to which
> >> an NFL player may be awarded."
>
> > It's because there are no NFL teams except the Packers that are public
> > and if they were offered stock options it is a private matter or do
> > you think a player needs to tell the public about his investment
> > portfolio.For all we know Packer players are offered options, it just
> > is not in a contract and doesn't have to be because it is a personnel
> > matter if he buys them. What you are thinking of is when a company
> > hires a new CEO or CFO and part of his compensation is company stock
> > as an incentive for him to do a good job. Keep the margins fat and you
> > get a lot of money but make a lot of bad decisions and those options
> > are not worth the paper they are written on.
> > Also what you quoted doesn't address what I am speaking of. I am
> > talking about a player investing his own money, what you are talking
> > about is being awarded to the player. Awarded is the key word here, I
> > am talking about buying.Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?
>
> Glenn, the CBA is clear.  I don't know why you're having trouble with
> this.  Salary is defined broadly.  Stock options, or ANYTHING else of
> "value to which an NFL player may be awarded", counts against the cap.

AWARDED MARK, THAT IS THE KEY HERE. THE OPTIONS I SPEAK OF ARE NOT
AWARDED THEY ARE PURCHASED.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:36 pm
From: Ian


On May 19, 2:49 pm, Demetrios <hestian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 19, 4:24 am, Ian <spuorgelg...@ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 19, 3:22 am, "yoyodog" <NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Ian" <spuorgelg...@ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> > >news:0e4e4ca9-2960-4419-bcd3-a623a0cf2de1@m21g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > It just seems so wrong seeing a Jets WR wearing #10 in the OTA photos
> > > > onhttp://nyjets.com
>
> > > > I'll probably get used to it by three snaps into the Ravens' game, but
> > > > I'm going to have to crayon out Chad's name on a lot of my apparel. ;)
>
> > > Isn't Santonio Holmes going to wear #10?
>
> > Well, yes Yoyo, that was the whole point of the post.
>
> > I've only ever known Pennington wearing #10, and now it's Holmes
> > wearing it. It just looks weird to me seeing a Jets #10 not throwing
> > the ball.
>
> > It just looks weird.
>
> I was confused too, since we don't have Holmes for the Ravens game.
> But yeah, it's gonna be weird, really weird...
>
> That, and I read the story about Jason Taylor "honoring" Tim Bowens
> with his uniform selection.http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5200653
>
> Somehow Bowens isn't smart enough to realize that Jason Taylor went
> home and googled 'miami dolphins 95' to figure out who to attribute it
> to when he got his number. It's not like he had a huge choice between
> numbers...what a phony.

I see where I introduced the confusion. Make that, "third snap of his
first game".

--
Ian

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 5:55 pm
From: buRford


Hopefully, this will work itself out, but one of the biggest head-scratchers of the
offseason - - letting Feely go - - may be biting us. I never understood the move, without
a competent replacement.

A bunch of stories tonite about Folk. Here's Cimini...

"It's too soon to say the Jets have a kicking crisis, but Rex Ryan admitted he's
concerned. Former Cowboys PK Nick Folk, whom they're counting on to replace Jay Feely
(Cards), was brutal. At one point, he missed three straight from about 40 yards. Said
Ryan: "Yeah, it concerns me. We'd all feel a lot better if they decided to make a few."
Folk, of course, was run out of Dallas last season because he imploded late in the season.
That Feely decision could backfire on the Jets in a big way."


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rec.bicycles.racing - 26 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Some perspective (or Fuck You Floyd) - 10 messages, 7 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f297450cc58f809a?hl=en
* What happened to Andy Schleck yesterday? - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7321a48b802196c6?hl=en
* Morotized Doping? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c78ad58063d0ada7?hl=en
* Told you so, you motherfuckers... - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c79cfd1b7edfd578?hl=en
* Giro, stage 11 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9dbe9f27048a0885?hl=en
* Irony: the final frontier - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/39b0a2182dd4de6c?hl=en
* Landis admits, tells of doping on LA and Postal - 4 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8a0290c1bcc162a4?hl=en
* Masters Fatties at risk for stupidity - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0e1b018e2fcf1fab?hl=en

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TOPIC: Some perspective (or Fuck You Floyd)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f297450cc58f809a?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:25 pm
From: Dumbass


On May 20, 12:35 pm, "F. Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Dumbasses -
>
> Regardless of whether you believe Floyd was doping (I believe he was), he's
> not credible.
>
> Dude's father in law committed suicide after he tested positive. Dude got
> divorced. Dude spent 4 years crusading about his innocence. He was either
> lying then or lying now. Credible people don't lie.
>
> The time for him to come clean was either right after he tested positive or
> right after his poor father in law offed himself. Four years later? After he
> tried to bankrupt the agencies with his legal campaign? Come on.
>
> Fuck you Floyd.
>
> thanks,
>
> Fred. presented by Gringioni.

Give Floyd a break. He's got all these lawyer bills from back when he
was claiming that he did not dope, he he need the proceeds from
writing a book where he claims he doped with LA.


== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:27 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Fred Flintstein" <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote in message
news:C4udnVRmxfPwFWjWnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 5/20/2010 1:59 PM, Amit Ghosh wrote:
>> i don't see how he will make money off this though. he isn't going to
>> get that job at mellow johnny's like livingston did.
>
> Well, he isn't going to write up the details and post
> it on a blog for everyone to see. We'll see how far
> along the book deal is. If it comes out in July then
> we'll know.
>
> Fred Flintstein

Tabloid magazines have paid significant sums of money for stories with less
"leg" than this one. Floyd isn't going about it quite the right way to
maximize monetary value, but I just figues that's Floyd being Floyd. The
same guy who didn't have a problem at his hearings when he overheard his
good friend making that sick fake call to LeMond.

I have to believe there's some big $$$ and fame to the writer who brings
down the Lance empire, if Floyd's allegations are true. My own opinion is
that Floyd is extrapolating an awful lot. If organized doping was/is going
on, I think it likely that someone as smart as Bruyneel would make sure guys
like Floyd were "marginalized" in terms of their knowledge of the big
picture.

But again, where is David Walsh??? Greg LeMond may be laying low for awhile,
perhaps finally taking advice from his attorneys.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:34 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


On 05/20/2010 09:35 AM, F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

> Dude's father in law committed suicide after he tested positive. Dude
> got divorced. Dude spent 4 years crusading about his innocence. He was
> either lying then or lying now.

Or he was lying then and now. But seriously, we know he was lying then,
right? The question is how much of what he's saying now is the truth and
how much is lashing out or attention seeking.

But I must admit, I really don't care. It's just a bicycle race.


== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:35 pm
From: Brad Anders


Where's Lemond? I thought he'd have emerged by now.

Brad Anders

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:38 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


On 05/20/2010 01:27 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "Fred Flintstein" <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:C4udnVRmxfPwFWjWnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On 5/20/2010 1:59 PM, Amit Ghosh wrote:
>>> i don't see how he will make money off this though. he isn't going to
>>> get that job at mellow johnny's like livingston did.
>>
>> Well, he isn't going to write up the details and post
>> it on a blog for everyone to see. We'll see how far
>> along the book deal is. If it comes out in July then
>> we'll know.
>>
>> Fred Flintstein
>
> Tabloid magazines have paid significant sums of money for stories with
> less "leg" than this one. Floyd isn't going about it quite the right way
> to maximize monetary value, but I just figues that's Floyd being Floyd.
> The same guy who didn't have a problem at his hearings when he overheard
> his good friend making that sick fake call to LeMond.
>
> I have to believe there's some big $$$ and fame to the writer who brings
> down the Lance empire, if Floyd's allegations are true. My own opinion
> is that Floyd is extrapolating an awful lot. If organized doping was/is
> going on, I think it likely that someone as smart as Bruyneel would make
> sure guys like Floyd were "marginalized" in terms of their knowledge of
> the big picture.
>
> But again, where is David Walsh??? Greg LeMond may be laying low for
> awhile, perhaps finally taking advice from his attorneys.

There's money to be made in a heart warming reunion between Greg and
Floyd. Or a cage match.


== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:41 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


On 05/20/2010 11:50 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:

> I think he's telling the closest thing he can to reality now (his
> faulty memory, his perception and biases, etc)

Add "perceived self interest" to the list and I agree.


== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:45 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 5/20/2010 12:45 PM, Fred on a stick wrote:
> His denial and fight against the positive, and his admission now is
> consistent with what I had predicted back in 2006: that he doped, but hadn't
> doped with synthetic T before that stage. He fought the positive because he
> wasn't positive. Now he's admitting doping during his career because he
> actually doped during his career.

Nostradumbass,

So who's going to win Dancing With the Stars?

Fred Flintstein


== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:48 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"K. Fred Gauss" <Fred@fredlier.than.thou> wrote in message
news:4bf59ddb@news.x-privat.org...
> On 05/20/2010 01:27 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> "Fred Flintstein" <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:C4udnVRmxfPwFWjWnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> On 5/20/2010 1:59 PM, Amit Ghosh wrote:
>>>> i don't see how he will make money off this though. he isn't going to
>>>> get that job at mellow johnny's like livingston did.
>>>
>>> Well, he isn't going to write up the details and post
>>> it on a blog for everyone to see. We'll see how far
>>> along the book deal is. If it comes out in July then
>>> we'll know.
>>>
>>> Fred Flintstein
>>
>> Tabloid magazines have paid significant sums of money for stories with
>> less "leg" than this one. Floyd isn't going about it quite the right way
>> to maximize monetary value, but I just figues that's Floyd being Floyd.
>> The same guy who didn't have a problem at his hearings when he overheard
>> his good friend making that sick fake call to LeMond.
>>
>> I have to believe there's some big $$$ and fame to the writer who brings
>> down the Lance empire, if Floyd's allegations are true. My own opinion
>> is that Floyd is extrapolating an awful lot. If organized doping was/is
>> going on, I think it likely that someone as smart as Bruyneel would make
>> sure guys like Floyd were "marginalized" in terms of their knowledge of
>> the big picture.
>>
>> But again, where is David Walsh??? Greg LeMond may be laying low for
>> awhile, perhaps finally taking advice from his attorneys.
>
> There's money to be made in a heart warming reunion between Greg and
> Floyd. Or a cage match.

Rollerball. No substitutions. No penalties. Televised live from Las Vegas.
It would be a shame to destroy another indoor wood track like they did in
the movie, but think of the ratings! Think of the betting. It might finally
make cycling a well-known sport.

We don't even have to suspend penalties. Just have McQuaid serve as referee.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:58 pm
From: semi-ambivalent


On May 20, 1:04 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>  (he isn't going to get that job at mellow johnny's like livingston
> did.)
>
> Sows and cunts like Lance only have so many tits that can be sucked
> off of.
>
> Almost makes Liz Hatch look respectable for only having 2.

Dang! Betty is right...

sa


== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:08 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<4fcce7cf-47b0-4252-893c-3ef265550ecf@c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
Amit Ghosh <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 20, 12:35 pm, "F. Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Dumbasses -
> >
> > Regardless of whether you believe Floyd was doping (I believe he was), he's
> > not credible.
> >
> > Dude's father in law committed suicide after he tested positive. Dude got
> > divorced. Dude spent 4 years crusading about his innocence. He was either
> > lying then or lying now. Credible people don't lie.
> >
> > The time for him to come clean was either right after he tested positive or
> > right after his poor father in law offed himself. Four years later? After he
> > tried to bankrupt the agencies with his legal campaign? Come on.
> >
>
> dumbass,
>
> it possible for a person to lie at one point and not lie at another
> point in time.

A regular liar lies all the time.
Floyd could say "The sun rises in the east."
and still be misleading. When you cannot
trust someone, you cannot trust them.
How do you know that what they say is
the fact of the matter?

--
Old Fritz

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TOPIC: What happened to Andy Schleck yesterday?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:28 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On May 20, 8:46 am, Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 20, 9:02 am, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I swear Phil and Paul should just get a divorce and be done with it.
> > I had to mute yesterday's coverage after getting tired of hearing them
> > talk all over each other ...
>
> > Sean Kelly and that other guy ... now there's real class.- Hide quoted text -
>
> In protest, I commuted without my Road ID this morning.

POTM.

Ben


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 8:18 am
From: Betty Munro


Anton Berlin wrote:
> Mutliple reasons to prefer ToC over Giro:
>
> 1. Smoother roads
> 2. Better weather on average
> 3. Cleaner hotels
> 4. No snarly Italian waiters (once outside of wine counties)
> 5. Get to replenish EPO stock from Tour Sponsor

I'm not sure about the podium girls though, perhaps they should get that
tattooed one in.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:56 pm
From: Betty Munro


Anton Berlin wrote:
> Mutliple reasons to prefer ToC over Giro:
>
> 1. Smoother roads
> 2. Better weather on average
> 3. Cleaner hotels
> 4. No snarly Italian waiters (once outside of wine counties)
> 5. Get to replenish EPO stock from Tour Sponsor

I'm not sure about the podium girls though, perhaps they should get that
tattooed one in.

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TOPIC: Morotized Doping?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c78ad58063d0ada7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:29 pm
From: DA74


On May 20, 9:55 am, "F. Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "DA74" <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2711cb99-5d93-44f4-88a1-ddb31102626c@r21g2000prr.googlegroups.com...
>
> > It sounds rickfuckingdiculous. This smells like that other bullshit
> > story in ~'03 where Lance was supposedly testing out magnetic bearings
> > that would make pedaling a bike like an act of levitation. Plus this
> > "motor" weighs four fucking pounds!  Come on guys...
>
> Dumbass -
>
> It's totally plausible. I'm not talking about the cheating part, I'm talking
> about being able to hide a system that works inside a bike frame that
> produces 60-100 watts.
>
> Which part do you have a problem with? The motor? or the battery?
>
> thanks,
>
> Fred. presented by Gringioni.

I have a problem with the story. It just sounds like some bullshit
gossip that somebody heard from a friend about some guy at some race
somewhere and it has spun out into a "story" with no pictures no
interviews etc...Just like the levitating magnetic bearings that Lance
was going to use in the Tour in 2003.

If a news organization is going to publish something give me some
information. In what race did it occur? Did the other riders notice
something strange about the bike or the rider? This sounds like
bullshit. I don't have a problem with the plausability but do you
really think this will go unnoticed in the pro peloton? And if some
jagoff is doing this in an amateur race is he trying to get a
contract? I mean seriously this whole thing is fucking lame.

-DA74

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TOPIC: Told you so, you motherfuckers...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c79cfd1b7edfd578?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:32 pm
From: Michael Press


In article
<4a74e5bc-62ed-4516-9104-98801c1942ec@o12g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Amit Ghosh <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 20, 2:53 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
> > On May 20, 7:09 am, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > ...straight from the horses mouth. Finally.
> >
> > Everyone knew Landis was doping.
>
> dumbass,
>
> not everyone. there are pundits here on rbr that will tell you that
> landis was framed by incompetent french lab techs.

Just because he is guilty does not mean he was not framed.

--
Michael Press


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:35 pm
From: Michael Press


In article <deOdnd-nipI2wWjWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:

> Does McQuaid have any idea how he sounds when he says something like
> this???
>
> "These guys coming out now with things like this from the past is only
> damaging the sport. If they've any love for the sport they wouldn't do
> it," he said.

A drunken, narcoleptic, hypocrite.

What did I win?

--
Michael Press


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:41 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 5/20/2010 3:24 PM, Uncle Dave wrote:
> Anton Berlin wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>
>> Motherfuckers - Indurain was doping. Holy shit -where do you all get
>> your reasoning from? Coin flips?
>
> I think you'd have to be very naive to not think Indurain was dopig.
> He went from total domination back to also ran at, oh, just the same
> time they introduced an effective test for blood doping. I'm no
> historian and no expert on doping either but I remember those two
> things seemd to be just a little too coincidental. Ditto Riis, in
> reverse.
>
> UD

Dumbass,

The hematocrit testing started the season after Indurain retired.
Riis became Mr 60% during Indurain's last Tour.

Fred Flintstein


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:53 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"DA74" <davidastor74@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0b953fc7-130f-47c9-8a41-bc79bca5adc2@g5g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On May 20, 6:04 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 20, 2:26 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > >For my part, I can't see how Armstrong couldn't be doping - his
> > >transition from one day specialist and tour domestique to dominant
> > >tour winner was, if you take out the time he was being treated for
> > >cancer, an overnight sensation.
>
>
> God damn Mike how can ou be so fucking obtuse? Armstrong was doing
> with Strock back at the OTC, it's how he got the testicular cancer in
> the first place.
>
>
> Landis finally realized no more milk was coming from the Armstrong
> tit. We will see this again and again in the future.... every rider
> that develops a conscience around the same time Lance won't come to
> promote their failing bike shop in South America will come back on
> him.
>
==================
I think Trek dealers by and large are still at LA's tit and will have
his back no matter what comes out. They are promoting these bikes as
having something special in them and getting a premium from the
community of Freds who buy the hype. Here's a quote from Trek: "Nine
Tour de France Wins. Greatness is built into our DNA...Read on and see
why we believe it must be the bike."

Treks has as much to do with winning the Tour as orange juice (no the
real kind). I think dealers should refund the Freds a percentage of
the sales price they added in for the "Tour de France DNA" bullshit
now that the door to the dope fridge is open.

You're Welcome,
DA74
==================

I don't think that's true anymore; I think Lance's affect on bicycle sales
is more wide-spread than it is limited to just Trek dealers. In fact, to
some extent the $$$ paid to Lance and his two teams (don't forget the U23
guys) is seen as a "tax" on Trek dealers that no longer gives us that much
of an advantage over the other brands. It's been great in terms of
motivating engineers to build better product, no question about that, and in
general it's given the company a strong focus. But even when the Tur de
France, domestically, was all about Lance, all the time, other dealers saw
their road bike sales rise as well. The overall awareness of cycling,
specifically road cycling, has benefitted greatly.

I apologize for introducing a bit of the real world in RBR. I'd be lying to
say it won't happen again.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


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TOPIC: Giro, stage 11
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9dbe9f27048a0885?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:41 pm
From: Frederick the Great


At what ratio of lead group to chase group
does it stop being a break away and becomes
a bitch slapping?

Sometimes long breaks get away in bad weather, but this?
Are the riders keeping omerta? Nobody is talking.

--
Old Fritz

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TOPIC: Irony: the final frontier
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/39b0a2182dd4de6c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:49 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article <fojfc7-tgu.ln1@donald.homeip.net>,
Betty Munro <none@mailinator.com> wrote:

> <http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/05/17/1541236/Software-Recognizes-Sarcastic-Tweets>


<http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/sarcasm/howtobesarcastic/lessontwo>

In order to be able to recognize sarcasm, you will need
to hear a lot of sarcastic comments, and to pay close
attention to the nuances that make an otherwise simple
comment into a sarcastic sting. To do this, you will
need regular access to one person who is a natural at
being sarcastic. The easiest place to start would be
the people you already know. Although it is unlikely
that you will have a friend or acquaintance who is
clever enough to be sarcastic -- being that you are not
sarcastic yourself*--it is still worth evaluating your
friends.

...

---
*As previously discussed, though you may not be
dim-witted, it is highly likely that you do not have
the requisite intelligence, wit, or cleverness to
attract members of the intelligentsia as friends or
acquaintances.

--
Old Fritz


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:00 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article <ucmav5puf5nhjt3pla01v8jlkidem3ht8b@4ax.com>,
curtis@the-md-russells.org wrote:

> On Thu, 20 May 2010 08:18:06 -0500, Fred Flintstein
> <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 5/20/2010 6:41 AM, Betty Munro wrote:
> >>
> >> <http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/05/17/1541236/Software-Recognizes-Sarcastic-Tweets>
> >>
> >
> >Everybody has competition.
> >
> >Fred Flintstein
>
> Betty's right. <Yawn> Get back to me when it does irony. It'll be on a
> Mac and the headline will read, "Software does irony, but won't do
> windows..."

Wellll, a sarcastic remark is typically ironic to hide
the scorn from its object(s), while amusing the other
audience.

--
Old Fritz

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TOPIC: Landis admits, tells of doping on LA and Postal
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8a0290c1bcc162a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 8:14 am
From: Betty Munro


Scott wrote:
>> Has anyone ascertained the veracity of the 'email' to USAC?- Hide quoted text -

Anton Berlin wrote:
> I would think the time lag and the fact its from a newpaper that
> should have a pretty strong editorial process, research and legal
> department gives it 100% veracity.

50/50


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 8:11 am
From: Betty Munro


z, fred wrote:
> Maybe Floyd's email account was hacked.

Lafferty strikes back.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:55 pm
From: Betty Munro


z, fred wrote:
> Maybe Floyd's email account was hacked.

Lafferty strikes back.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 1:55 pm
From: Betty Munro


Scott wrote:
>> Has anyone ascertained the veracity of the 'email' to USAC?- Hide
quoted text -

Anton Berlin wrote:
> I would think the time lag and the fact its from a newpaper that
> should have a pretty strong editorial process, research and legal
> department gives it 100% veracity.

50/50

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TOPIC: Masters Fatties at risk for stupidity
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0e1b018e2fcf1fab?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 2:05 pm
From: Michael Press


In article <ht3nb9$gh8$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"F. Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Not too surprising.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8693947.stm
__________________

Study leader Dr Sudha Seshadri concluded: "Although
these findings are preliminary, they could improve our
understanding of the mechanisms underlying the
relationship of obesity with dementia, with potentially
important implications for prevention strategies."
__________________

What relationship Dr. Sashadri?

--
Michael Press


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