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Today's topics:
* Another RBR brain injury - - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7d1e39cdd0fdbf10?hl=en
* How could Lance Armstrong Possibly have been doping? - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/225d6c6225dcf579?hl=en
* An actual cycling question - plagued by flats lately - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5bf5c5ac01954cf5?hl=en
* i bet leppy was wishing - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b328301914fdf730?hl=en
* The smoking gun on Armstrong's guilt - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9324de3f6e54a4e2?hl=en
* Scott Sunderland leaves team sky. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c30f2fd3580dcbfe?hl=en
* Lemond - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bc2f64af3f18801c?hl=en
* Floyd is a nice guy - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/57dd4150d72b160d?hl=en
* What is the "rock family tree" of dopers ?? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8f77b3d6a928c6ec?hl=en
* A review about BALCO - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6b542d3bba3f0c3f?hl=en
* Floyd Caption Contest - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/edfed7aa6ded02bf?hl=en
* SCRAM and LIVEDRUNK - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6dfa733135e8d307?hl=en
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TOPIC: Another RBR brain injury -
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7d1e39cdd0fdbf10?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 8:50 am
From: Ben Trovato
On May 24, 5:50 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am beginning to suspect that Friedes dropped a kettlebell on his
> head.
>
> Or was he always obtuse and had no understanding or irony?
Why must you always take everything so literally?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 3:08 pm
From: Steven Bornfeld
Anton Berlin wrote:
> I am beginning to suspect that Friedes dropped a kettlebell on his
> head.
>
> Or was he always obtuse and had no understanding or irony?
I missed the accident. Give the guy a break--he's very knowledgeable
and helpful on some of the music newsgroups. I don't always grok irony
either...
Steve
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TOPIC: How could Lance Armstrong Possibly have been doping?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/225d6c6225dcf579?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 8:58 am
From: Betty Munro
Anton Berlin wrote:
>>>> Great point Steve - just like how does Sarah Palin know if Russia is
>>>> a danger until she sees Putin peeking over her fence?
Betty Munro wrote:
>>> Putin pokin Palin does alliterate nicely.
Steve Freides wrote:
>> Putin pokin' Palin pleases participants preferring pedalling to
>> perambulation
curtis@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> Pesonally, I see this as turning into one of the more nauseating
> threads in recent history that doesn't include BL. Alliteration may
> excuse a lot, but mental pictures like this are not a way to start a
> work week.
Perhaps I should have said assonates.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 10:34 am
From: "Steve Freides"
ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
> On May 24, 8:49 am, Betty Munro <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>> Anton Berlin wrote:
>>> Great point Steve - just like how does Sarah Palin know if Russia
>>> is a danger until she sees Putin peeking over her fence?
>>
>> Putin pokin Palin does alliterate nicely.
>
> Palin illiterates just fine all by herself.
>
> -rj
Twoo, dat.
-S-
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 1:44 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article <85v9svFgv3U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Steve Freides" <steve@kbnj.com> wrote:
> Phil wrote:
>
> > It seems to me that a
> > lot of people here are positive that the only way that
> > Lance won the TDF was by doping.
>
> Define "a lot" - I'd say most people here don't know, realize they don't
> know, and also realize they will likely never know.
>
> I mean, s#$%, if I don't know what my next door neighbor puts in his
> coffee in the morning, how should I know what some professional bike
> racer half way across the world does?
What matters is what he puts in his dog's coffee.
I _know_ my neighbor's dog is tweaking. Won't shut up.
At least his bark is worse than his bite.
--
Old Fritz
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TOPIC: An actual cycling question - plagued by flats lately
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5bf5c5ac01954cf5?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 9:17 am
From: Brad Anders
On May 24, 6:10 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 24, 7:07 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I've been using the Vittoria Paves but the last 3 rides I went out on
> > I flatted.
>
> > Anyone have any good (not slime for fucks sake) strategies or a hot
> > clincher set up for flat avoidance?
>
> > Has to be in the 23-25mm range because of clearance concerns. TIA
>
> Tubeless, with sealant. Everything about your ride will be better
> than what you'll get with the typical "flat resistant" clincher.
> Hell, everything about your ride will be better than what you'd get
> with all but the best tubulars or "race quality" clinchers.
I switched over to tubeless with sealant this past month. While I
haven't had any punctures yet, the ride alone is worth the switch. I'm
using Ultegra WH-6700's and Specialized tubeless tires, with Slime.
Brad Anders
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 3:09 pm
From: Steven Bornfeld
Anton Berlin wrote:
> I've been using the Vittoria Paves but the last 3 rides I went out on
> I flatted.
>
> Anyone have any good (not slime for fucks sake) strategies or a hot
> clincher set up for flat avoidance?
>
> Has to be in the 23-25mm range because of clearance concerns. TIA
Wow, am I out of it--tubeless, sealer, slime???
Old and in the way,
Steve
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 3:44 pm
From: bar
On May 24, 6:09 pm, Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com>
wrote:
> Anton Berlin wrote:
> > I've been using the Vittoria Paves but the last 3 rides I went out on
> > I flatted.
>
> > Anyone have any good (not slime for fucks sake) strategies or a hot
> > clincher set up for flat avoidance?
>
> > Has to be in the 23-25mm range because of clearance concerns. TIA
>
> Wow, am I out of it--tubeless, sealer, slime???
>
> Old and in the way,
> Steve
i hope you whipper-snappers aren't riding tubeless with all-carbon
forks ... because god knows even Slime (TM) won't help you in the
event of a blowout/fork explosion
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TOPIC: i bet leppy was wishing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b328301914fdf730?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 9:39 am
From: "z, fred"
Betty Munro wrote:
> bar wrote:
>>> and that stretch with about 15k to go where he tried to just
>>> ride them all off his wheel for a kilometer or two was just
>>> pathetic ... rogers was breathing through his nose behind him.
>
> A. Dumas Fred wrote:
>> Actually there was one moment where Rogers was in trouble, with
>> Leipheimer attacking and Zabriskie having bridged. That left Rogers
>> back with Langeveld (Rabobank) who stepped up and closed the gap. Not
>> sure Rogers could have doen it himself by then, he seemed gassed from
>> covering the 4 or so previous attacks. Thank you, mercenary team mate.
>
> He (Rogers) seemed to say thanks a little later.
>
> I'm surprised no one has said anything about Hincapie doing a Zabel (or
> that a Canadian can sprint).
[Joc Lovell grimacing]
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TOPIC: The smoking gun on Armstrong's guilt
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9324de3f6e54a4e2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 9:43 am
From: "z, fred"
Anton Berlin wrote:
> On May 24, 4:21 am, Betty Munro <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>> Anton Berlin wrote:
>>> Found on Radio Shack's website
>>> http://i50.tinypic.com/jk8004.jpg
>> What colours do they come in and where can I buy one ?
>
> For some reason they pulled the ad offline Friday and the local store
> said they no longer carried them.
>
> Hmmmmmm?????/
The stores in New Italy still stock them.
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TOPIC: Scott Sunderland leaves team sky.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c30f2fd3580dcbfe?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 12:19 pm
From: thirty-six
On 24 May, 01:50, heather <cle...@comcast.net> wrote:
> A. Dumas Fred wrote:
> > heather wrote:
> >> I watched my mom bleed to death one day
>
> > Gah.
>
> sorry! I just felt like the original poster might not understand the
> seriousness of what he was discussing.
> h
I am not conversant with the condition. I was wondering whether it
is liable to instability.
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TOPIC: Lemond
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bc2f64af3f18801c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 12:46 pm
From: Michael Press
In article
<b49dff2a-250e-4b12-a5d4-027c39ac2da7@c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
Uncle Dave <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote:
> On May 23, 8:55 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <38c1abbc-5ebe-46fc-bb32-abe65ec9f...@q8g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
> > Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 22, 9:24 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <d91cca07-ee29-412e-8133-ba03e7af0...@r9g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On May 21, 9:31 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/05/20/2010-05-20_g...
> >
> > > > > I always assumed Lemond must be doping because he was a yank and you
> > > > > know what a cheating bunch they are. They even make their own
> > > > > versions of perfectly good sports like rugby and cricket just so they
> > > > > can be world champions in something...
> >
> > > > How _is_ that cricket thing going?
> > > > Pakistanis and Jamaicans still eating your lunch?
> >
> > > England were crowned world champions just last week. Beat those damn
> > > Aussies. Had to invent a new form of the game to do it mind...
> >
> > Hey! You guys are doing what you are scragging us for.
> > Now let's play "Spot That Quotation."
> >
> > "...and it was not very wonderful that Catherine, who had
> > by nature nothing heroic about her, should prefer
> > cricket, baseball, riding on horseback, and running
> > about the country at the age of fourteen, to books ..."
>
> My guess is that it's from a book.
Written about 1798-1799.
--
Michael Press
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TOPIC: Floyd is a nice guy
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/57dd4150d72b160d?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 12:57 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<43c40120-a3f3-46e4-ba4c-df268843eb61@v18g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjweiner@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 22, 11:55 pm, "F. Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > "Fredmaster of Brainerd" <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:43eb2c29-eda1-46fe-bfc3-
> >
> > > Seriously, there is a thin line between taking
> > > your lumps honorably, and being an exploited
> > > chump or a scapegoat.
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > You've got your head up your ass.
> >
> > The "chumps" are the fools who believed Flandis' lies and donated to the
> > Floyd Fairness Fund or bought "Positively False" (Flandis' book).
> >
> > Flandis traveled around the country lying to those people.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Yeah, I guess Flandis's actions make it hard to be
> sympathetic and one should resist the urge. He may
> have taken more than the usual share of condemnation
> shortly after getting popped, but his subsequent actions
> have brought the attention upon himself. I made the
> comparison to Ricco (or Basso, etc etc) but those guys
> got taken back into the fold partly because they are
> members of the club in a way Floyd is not, but also
> because they had the sense to stay out of the spotlight
> for a little while.
>
> I still don't think the whole "honor" argument for keeping your
> mouth shut is a great one, here or elsewhere. There are
> all too many examples of using "honor" to mean covering up
> bad behavior (not talking about doping, but actual crimes).
> There is some merit in the idea that if you dope to gain
> an advantage and get caught, you shouldn't burn the
> people who did you favors. However, it's not clear to me
> that you owe silence to people who pressured you to dope.
No, you do not. Is it worth the time and energy to
continue to associate with them, if only in an
adversarial relationship? How do you protect those
who ought not be burned?
--
Old Fritz
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 1:19 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On May 24, 4:09 am, "A. Dumas Fred" <alexan...@dumas.fr> wrote:
> z, fred wrote:
>
> > You don't think that 3 year hiatus was actually 'retirement', do you?
>
> There is a theory that the UCI made a deal with Armstrong to take a
> suspension for some years while allowing him to call it retirement, to
> preserve cycling's image, and they never expected him to come back after
> that.
Oh!! I thought we were talking about Lafferty's
3 year hiatus from rbr.
Fredmaster Ben
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 2:04 pm
From: Keith
On Sun, 23 May 2010 22:07:46 -0700 (PDT), "Kurgan. presented by
Gringioni." <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >He was either lying then or lying now. Way too easy for a good attorney to
>> >tear him apart. He'd just have to spend a few days going over all that
>> >material and it's public record. Flandis would look sooooooo bad on the
>> >stand.
>>
>> ÊYou don't get it do you, they will get other people to confirm his
>> revelations, before anything happens.
>
>
>
>Dumbass -
>
>My point is that Floyd is not credible. I'm not talking about anyone
>else.
>
My point is that without Floyd's revelation it was business as usual.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 2:10 pm
From: Betty Munro
A. Dumas Fred wrote:
>> There is a theory that the UCI made a deal with Armstrong to take a
>> suspension for some years while allowing him to call it retirement, to
>> preserve cycling's image, and they never expected him to come back after
>> that.
Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> Oh!! I thought we were talking about Lafferty's
> 3 year hiatus from rbr.
I doubt if Lafferties hiatus had anything to do with rbr's image.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 3:26 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
On May 24, 2:04 pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 May 2010 22:07:46 -0700 (PDT), "Kurgan. presented by
>
>
>
>
>
> Gringioni." <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >He was either lying then or lying now. Way too easy for a good attorney to
> >> >tear him apart. He'd just have to spend a few days going over all that
> >> >material and it's public record. Flandis would look sooooooo bad on the
> >> >stand.
>
> >> ÊYou don't get it do you, they will get other people to confirm his
> >> revelations, before anything happens.
>
> >Dumbass -
>
> >My point is that Floyd is not credible. I'm not talking about anyone
> >else.
>
> My point is that without Floyd's revelation it was business as usual.
Dumbass -
It'll probably be business as usual again soon because:
Floyd is not credible.
thanks,
Fred. presented by Gringioni.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 3:32 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
On May 23, 10:27 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You make a good point here. It's interesting if you look at Tyler and
> Floyd with regard to their handling of their positive tests. Both got
> indignant and dragged their fans into the fight. They went on some
> misguided PR benders with "Believe Tyler", "Floyd Fairness Fund" which
> only had upside with their hardcore following but alienated the rest -
> including cycling fans and the establishment. I've never seen any of
> the Euro guys pull these circus tricks. They take their suspensions
> quietly, keep their mouths shut and are inserted right back into the
> fold.
Dumbass -
Yep.
I'd like to add that the problem with Floyd and Tyler's campaigns is
since they were built on lies, they ended up alienating nearly
*everyone* including their hardcore fans.
As for being inserted right back into the fold: that's the way it's
happening in the NFL too. Guys get a dirty drug test, they serve their
4 game suspension, then they start playing again. Rather than making
it some sort of big moral issue, look at it as a rules infraction,
make someone take their punishment, then go on from there. It's the
right way to treat the issue too since the population in general dopes
up every day (caffeine, alcohol, nicotine, THC, Viagra, ibuprofen,
birth control hormones, etc.). Athletes should not be held to a higher
standard than everyone else - it's unrealistic and will only result in
disappointment. Rather, they should be held to the same standard as
everyone else.
thanks,
Fred. presented by Gringioni.
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TOPIC: What is the "rock family tree" of dopers ??
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8f77b3d6a928c6ec?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 1:09 pm
From: Michael Press
In article <b96qc7-27g.ln1@donald.homeip.net>,
Betty Munro <none@mailinator.com> wrote:
> A. Dumas Fred wrote:
> >> You don't get it, I see.
>
> S Perryman wrote:
> > I see you don't get it.
>
> I don't get it you see.
> You see I don't get it.
> I get it you don't see.
> Don't you see I get it.
-- Gertrude Stein.
--
Michael Press
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TOPIC: A review about BALCO
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6b542d3bba3f0c3f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 1:38 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article <LuCdnRL_ctmWQWTWnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Fred Flintstein <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
> Hey Retards,
>
> BALCO did not start with accusations of sporting doping. What it
> started with was a used syringe turned in by a coach. The syringe
> was sent to Don Catlin who identified a steroid that could not
> have been manufactured legitimately. It's very existence was proof
> of an illegal drug manufacturing operation.
>
> Are you retards paying attention? The Feds don't care about doping
> jocks. And they certainly don't care about jocks doping in Spain.
> They do care about manufacturing and distributing dope.
>
> BALCO was about an underground drug lab. It wasn't about sporting
> fraud, the US has no federal laws against that. That's why when a
> boatload of athletes came up positive for the new steroid, the feds
> didn't give a shit about them.
>
> That's why sending an email and cc'ing a federal agent with stuff
> the feds don't care about is not the same fucking thing as the feds
> being involved.
Yes it is. Yes it is! Yes it is. Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala
--
Old Fritz
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 5:13 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"
Frederick the Great wrote:
> In article <LuCdnRL_ctmWQWTWnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Fred Flintstein <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey Retards,
>>
>> BALCO did not start with accusations of sporting doping. What it
>> started with was a used syringe turned in by a coach. The syringe
>> was sent to Don Catlin who identified a steroid that could not
>> have been manufactured legitimately. It's very existence was proof
>> of an illegal drug manufacturing operation.
>>
>> Are you retards paying attention? The Feds don't care about doping
>> jocks. And they certainly don't care about jocks doping in Spain.
>> They do care about manufacturing and distributing dope.
>>
>> BALCO was about an underground drug lab. It wasn't about sporting
>> fraud, the US has no federal laws against that. That's why when a
>> boatload of athletes came up positive for the new steroid, the feds
>> didn't give a shit about them.
>>
>> That's why sending an email and cc'ing a federal agent with stuff
>> the feds don't care about is not the same fucking thing as the feds
>> being involved.
>
> Yes it is. Yes it is! Yes it is. Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala
>
That's one popular tune!!!
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TOPIC: Floyd Caption Contest
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/edfed7aa6ded02bf?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 2:43 pm
From: "rick-paulos@uiowa.edu"
Yes, I dressed myself today.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 3:57 pm
From: bar
On May 24, 5:43 pm, "rick-pau...@uiowa.edu" <rick-pau...@uiowa.edu>
wrote:
> Yes, I dressed myself today.
"High-five Greg!!"
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TOPIC: SCRAM and LIVEDRUNK
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6dfa733135e8d307?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 4:10 pm
From: RicodJour
Whether it's used as a training device, or a form of quantified
recreational doping, SCRAM can now be used to improve, and maintain,
the required level of inebriation.
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/05/24/2010-05-24_lindsay_lohans_scram_bracelet_tamperfree_device_that_knows_exactly_how_much_you_.html
An ankle bracelet would be unacceptable in cycling, so a modified
heart monitor would do nicely.
Imagine impressing other rbridiots and LIVEDRUNK afficionados.
"Sierra Road, 9.3%, 3.7 miles, Tugboat Chernobyl Stout (with a nod to
Tyler), .11 BAC, motherfucker."
R
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 5:07 pm
From: bar
On May 24, 7:10 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> Whether it's used as a training device, or a form of quantified
> recreational doping, SCRAM can now be used to improve, and maintain,
> the required level of inebriation.
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/05/24/2010-05-24_lindsay_lohan...
>
> An ankle bracelet would be unacceptable in cycling, so a modified
> heart monitor would do nicely.
>
> Imagine impressing other rbridiots and LIVEDRUNK afficionados.
> "Sierra Road, 9.3%, 3.7 miles, Tugboat Chernobyl Stout (with a nod to
> Tyler), .11 BAC, motherfucker."
>
> R
Add GPS and the ability to post it all to mapmyride ...
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