Sunday, June 6, 2010

Medarticles can someone please send me "surgery of pancreas" by TREDE and Carter

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please I am in desperate need of the book

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Re: Medarticles Need the following articles on Desonide

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Dear Anand,
Thank you.

Warm regards
Guru

On Jun 5, 7:23 pm, anandkumarreddy <anandkumarre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2nd one enclosed
>
> anand
> Get Govt job. Updated dailyhttp://www.indiasarkarinaukri.com/
>
> http://med-videos.blogspot.com/
> ----------------
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Guru <gandhor2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Friends,
> > I need the following full text articles:
>
> > 1) Desonide hydrogel: advances in vehicle technology
>
> >    CM Gelbard† and AA Hebert
> >    Expert Review of Dermatology
> >    February 2009, Vol. 4, No. 1, Pages 23-27 , DOI
> > 10.1586/17469872.4.1.23
> >    (doi:10.1586/17469872.4.1.23)
> > Also available in Ingenta Connect
>
> > 2) Desonide: a review of formulations, efficacy and safety
>
> >    NR Kahanek‌1, CG Gelbard‌†,1 & AA Hebert‌1,2
> >    Expert Opinion on Investigational Drugs
> >    July 2008, Vol. 17, No. 7, Pages 1097-1104 , DOI
> > 10.1517/13543784.17.7.1097
>
> > Could somebody help me please.
>
> > Thanks & Regards,
> > Guru
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alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets - 25 new messages in 6 topics - digest

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alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets?hl=en

alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets@googlegroups.com

Today's topics:

* OT: Gulf Oil Spill... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/bc87b0e97d691a3e?hl=en
* Football listing on satellite - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/99c31cde0fb49339?hl=en
* OT: Aid Flotilla To Gaza Strip - 18 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/b85aa6311a6ea70c?hl=en
* Hey Glenn, this will piss you off - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d2a14763e344dfde?hl=en
* fanhouse.com _ nfl-police-blotter - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6bd3aa41d9f70f67?hl=en
* Steelers' quarterback a changed man. - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3676d02e1a4afa89?hl=en

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TOPIC: OT: Gulf Oil Spill...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/bc87b0e97d691a3e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 9:18 pm
From: raiderjet


On Jun 2, 5:05 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> > This BP spil.  2,730,000,000 fucking gallons guaranteed.
>
> > Understand yet ???  This is a fucking earth changing disaster.
>
> Really?  How is it an Earth changing disaster?  Just because some birds and
> fish and marsh weeds must die?  Next year they will come back.  It is messy
> and ugly and hard on some of the wildlife but it is hardly any sort of
> earth-changing disaster.  Now if some by comet came down from the sky some
> night and hit the Earth that might be an earth-changing disaster.  Or a big
> enough volcano or a big enough earthquake.  This oil leak is just a big
> messy mess.  It is not an earth-changing disaster by any means.
>
> Get a grip on yourself and your hyperbole.
>
> It is sad that when the drills hit the motherlode the big release of high
> pressure gas tore up the pipe to the rig and killed about a dozen people.
> That is a form of disaster but it is not exactly earth-changing.
>
> It is just a big old sloppy mess that will be about 5% remediated by our
> efforts and 95% remediated by sunlight and dilution.  Not to panic.  The
> beaches and fisheries will reopen and everybody can make their money back.
>
> Sheesh.  Some people.

Good Lord you are a prize winning fucking dick. Let's drown you in
oil and then float your nearly dead assed carcuss into the ocean.
Then your pea sized brian might finally get it as you sink into hell
to suck off the assholes that caused all of this shit. "Sheesh", as
you put it. Moron.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 10:16 am
From: galen_boyer@yahoo.com


"RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox.net> writes:

>>
>> This BP spil. 2,730,000,000 fucking gallons guaranteed.
>>
>> Understand yet ??? This is a fucking earth changing disaster.
>>
>
> Really? How is it an Earth changing disaster?

Would you call this a disaster? Whether its earth changing or not.

> Just because some birds and fish and marsh weeds must die? Next year
> they will come back.

Next year? You really think this will be alright in the span of a year?
Sheesh!!!

> It is messy and ugly and hard on some of the wildlife but it is hardly
> any sort of earth-changing disaster. Now if some by comet came down
> from the sky some night and hit the Earth that might be an
> earth-changing disaster. Or a big enough volcano or a big enough
> earthquake. This oil leak is just a big messy mess.

That's it? Just a mess? Nothing bad has actually happened? Its just a
mess, and all we need is to take a few paper towels down there and clean
it up?

> It is not an earth-changing disaster by any means.
>
> Get a grip on yourself and your hyperbole.

This disaster will have far reaching effects on much of our world. The
food chain of the ocean will be affected by this, for sure. What will
happen, nobody knows, but this is a disaster. I don't care if it is
labeled earth-changing or not.

> It is sad that when the drills hit the motherlode the big release of
> high pressure gas tore up the pipe to the rig and killed about a dozen
> people. That is a form of disaster but it is not exactly
> earth-changing. It is just a big old sloppy mess that will be about
> 5% remediated by our efforts and 95% remediated by sunlight and
> dilution. Not to panic. The beaches and fisheries will reopen and
> everybody can make their money back.

This is destroying the Gulf coast, habitats of marine life, birds, what
else? Thousands of people livelyhoods are destroyed because of this.
This is on its way to destroying the Florida coast. Marine life is
catastrophically getting killed by this. Predators are not going to
avoid their prey that are in oil. How far does that stretch?

The full impact of this is yet to be seen. But one thing is clear,
noone can say for certain if we will recover from this. Noone can say
for certain what affect this will have on our lives for the near term as
well as the long-term. You seem to think this is no big deal.

> Sheesh. Some people.

"Its just a big messy mess". What an unbelievable set of blinders you are
wearing. Sheesh.

--
Galen Boyer

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TOPIC: Football listing on satellite
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/99c31cde0fb49339?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 6:34 am
From: bilgeoren


If there is any football match in the world being shown on satellite
it will say so here.

You can view whats being shown by league, tournament or by date.

Also where it tells you which channel its on if you hover the cursor
over it, it will tell you which satellite you need, what encryption,
frequency, position etc...


http://www.livesportsat.com

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TOPIC: OT: Aid Flotilla To Gaza Strip
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/b85aa6311a6ea70c?hl=en
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== 1 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 1:07 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


Johnny and anyone else who thinks Israel is this big bad country
trying to cut off aid to Gaza should look at the following links
http://www.aish.com/jw/me/95501584.html
http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/2010/06/israel_aid_to_gaza/

Not the US media Johnny.


== 2 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 1:25 pm
From: MZ


Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>
> Johnny and anyone else who thinks Israel is this big bad country
> trying to cut off aid to Gaza should look at the following links
> http://www.aish.com/jw/me/95501584.html
> http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/2010/06/israel_aid_to_gaza/
>
> Not the US media Johnny.

First link isn't working for me.


== 3 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 1:35 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Jun 6, 4:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>
> > Johnny and anyone else who thinks Israel is this big bad country
> > trying to cut off aid to Gaza should look at the following links
> >http://www.aish.com/jw/me/95501584.html
> >http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/2010/06/israel_aid_to_gaza/
>
> > Not the US media Johnny.
>
> First link isn't working for me.

I just clicked it, seems to work fine


== 4 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 1:45 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Jun 6, 4:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>
> > Johnny and anyone else who thinks Israel is this big bad country
> > trying to cut off aid to Gaza should look at the following links
> >http://www.aish.com/jw/me/95501584.html
> >http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/2010/06/israel_aid_to_gaza/
>
> > Not the US media Johnny.
>
> First link isn't working for me.

http://muqata.blogspot.com/2010/06/new-videos-including-i-want-to-be.html

Not as informative as the one you couldn't open but it gets the point
across. Read the comments below it as well


== 5 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 2:31 pm
From: MZ


Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> On Jun 6, 4:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny and anyone else who thinks Israel is this big bad country
>>> trying to cut off aid to Gaza should look at the following links
>>> http://www.aish.com/jw/me/95501584.html
>>> http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/2010/06/israel_aid_to_gaza/
>>> Not the US media Johnny.
>> First link isn't working for me.
>
> http://muqata.blogspot.com/2010/06/new-videos-including-i-want-to-be.html
>
> Not as informative as the one you couldn't open but it gets the point
> across. Read the comments below it as well

Doesn't add up. Here, a teenager can acquire a gun. They couldn't?

We're hearing a lot of stories on both sides. You've also got people
saying gunfire started before the ships were even boarded. There's a
lot that we don't know, and that we'll probably never know. But I think
common sense should reign supreme here. Here's what neither side seems
to be disputing:

* There were no guns on board.
* One side was military, the other side was not.

It's obvious who the aggressor was.


== 6 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 5:23 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>
> Johnny and anyone else who thinks Israel is this big bad country
> trying to cut off aid to Gaza should look at the following links
> http://www.aish.com/jw/me/95501584.html
> http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/2010/06/israel_aid_to_gaza/
>
> Not the US media Johnny.

Jew Media, Glenn...What do you expect?

On the other hand...
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0606/idf-admits-doctoring-audio-gaza-flotilla/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-hijacking-of-the-truth-film-evidence-destroyed-1992517.html

One from the US media, One from the UK. Let me see...What to believe?
What to believe?


== 7 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 5:29 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Jun 6, 5:31 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> > On Jun 6, 4:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>
> >>> Johnny and anyone else who thinks Israel is this big bad country
> >>> trying to cut off aid to Gaza should look at the following links
> >>>http://www.aish.com/jw/me/95501584.html
> >>>http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/2010/06/israel_aid_to_gaza/
> >>> Not the US media Johnny.
> >> First link isn't working for me.
>
> >http://muqata.blogspot.com/2010/06/new-videos-including-i-want-to-be....
>
> > Not as informative as the one you couldn't open but it gets the point
> > across. Read the comments below it as well
>
> Doesn't add up.  Here, a teenager can acquire a gun.  They couldn't?
>
> We're hearing a lot of stories on both sides.  You've also got people
> saying gunfire started before the ships were even boarded.  There's a
> lot that we don't know, and that we'll probably never know.  But I think
> common sense should reign supreme here.  Here's what neither side seems
> to be disputing:
>
> * There were no guns on board.
> * One side was military, the other side was not.
>
> It's obvious who the aggressor was.


OK Mark, if you want to ignore that people on that shipping were
hoping they would be killed so they could be Martyred that's your
choice. To me it shows there was a separate agenda from the so called
humanitarian one they claimed to be on. If you could open the other
link you would have seen a woman saying either way I will have a happy
ending, I deliver aid to Gaza or I become a Martyr.
What it tells me is they wre hoping for exactly this kind of
confrontation and they got what they wanted. This was not Israel being
aggressive, this was Israel being egged on. It's really a shame Israel
wasn't smart enough not to fall into this.
The other thing is you are saying exactly what Hamas wants the West to
think. They want this David versus Goliath comparison with the sling
shots against guns.
Lastly Mark, were all the gas mask and bullet prof vest part of the
aid package they were delivering? I'm not going to mention the knives
because they put kitchen and cooking knives in the pile as well as
assault knives so it was hard to tell how many were weapons.


== 8 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 5:35 pm
From: MZ


Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> On Jun 6, 5:31 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>> On Jun 6, 4:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>>>> Johnny and anyone else who thinks Israel is this big bad country
>>>>> trying to cut off aid to Gaza should look at the following links
>>>>> http://www.aish.com/jw/me/95501584.html
>>>>> http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/2010/06/israel_aid_to_gaza/
>>>>> Not the US media Johnny.
>>>> First link isn't working for me.
>>> http://muqata.blogspot.com/2010/06/new-videos-including-i-want-to-be....
>>> Not as informative as the one you couldn't open but it gets the point
>>> across. Read the comments below it as well
>> Doesn't add up. Here, a teenager can acquire a gun. They couldn't?
>>
>> We're hearing a lot of stories on both sides. You've also got people
>> saying gunfire started before the ships were even boarded. There's a
>> lot that we don't know, and that we'll probably never know. But I think
>> common sense should reign supreme here. Here's what neither side seems
>> to be disputing:
>>
>> * There were no guns on board.
>> * One side was military, the other side was not.
>>
>> It's obvious who the aggressor was.
>
>
> OK Mark, if you want to ignore that people on that shipping were
> hoping they would be killed so they could be Martyred that's your
> choice. To me it shows there was a separate agenda from the so called
> humanitarian one they claimed to be on. If you could open the other
> link you would have seen a woman saying either way I will have a happy
> ending, I deliver aid to Gaza or I become a Martyr.
> What it tells me is they wre hoping for exactly this kind of
> confrontation and they got what they wanted. This was not Israel being
> aggressive, this was Israel being egged on. It's really a shame Israel
> wasn't smart enough not to fall into this.
> The other thing is you are saying exactly what Hamas wants the West to
> think. They want this David versus Goliath comparison with the sling
> shots against guns.
> Lastly Mark, were all the gas mask and bullet prof vest part of the
> aid package they were delivering? I'm not going to mention the knives
> because they put kitchen and cooking knives in the pile as well as
> assault knives so it was hard to tell how many were weapons.

Not a single point you've made justifies the killing of these people.
The friggin tea party assholes are hoping like hell that the government
comes in and beats them up too. That doesn't give the government a
right to actually DO it. The government is smart enough NOT to make
martyrs out of those people. The hippies were the same way. Kent State
was their rally cry.

In the end you've got armed military invading a ship full of unarmed
civilians. /thread


== 9 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 6:14 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Jun 6, 8:35 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> > On Jun 6, 5:31 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>> On Jun 6, 4:25 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >>>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>>>> Johnny and anyone else who thinks Israel is this big bad country
> >>>>> trying to cut off aid to Gaza should look at the following links
> >>>>>http://www.aish.com/jw/me/95501584.html
> >>>>>http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/2010/06/israel_aid_to_gaza/
> >>>>> Not the US media Johnny.
> >>>> First link isn't working for me.
> >>>http://muqata.blogspot.com/2010/06/new-videos-including-i-want-to-be....
> >>> Not as informative as the one you couldn't open but it gets the point
> >>> across. Read the comments below it as well
> >> Doesn't add up.  Here, a teenager can acquire a gun.  They couldn't?
>
> >> We're hearing a lot of stories on both sides.  You've also got people
> >> saying gunfire started before the ships were even boarded.  There's a
> >> lot that we don't know, and that we'll probably never know.  But I think
> >> common sense should reign supreme here.  Here's what neither side seems
> >> to be disputing:
>
> >> * There were no guns on board.
> >> * One side was military, the other side was not.
>
> >> It's obvious who the aggressor was.
>
> > OK Mark, if you want to ignore that people on that shipping were
> > hoping they would be killed so they could be Martyred that's your
> > choice. To me it shows there was a separate agenda from the so called
> > humanitarian one they claimed to be on. If you could open the other
> > link you would have seen a woman saying either way I will have a happy
> > ending, I deliver aid to Gaza or I become a Martyr.
> > What it tells me is they wre hoping for exactly this kind of
> > confrontation and they got what they wanted. This was not Israel being
> > aggressive, this was Israel being egged on. It's really a shame Israel
> > wasn't smart enough not to fall into this.
> > The other thing is you are saying exactly what Hamas wants the West to
> > think. They want this David versus Goliath comparison with the sling
> > shots against guns.
> > Lastly Mark, were all the gas mask and bullet prof vest part of the
> > aid package they were delivering? I'm not going to mention the knives
> > because they put kitchen and cooking knives in the pile as well as
> > assault knives so it was hard to tell how many were weapons.
>
> Not a single point you've made justifies the killing of these people.
> The friggin tea party assholes are hoping like hell that the government
> comes in and beats them up too.  That doesn't give the government a
> right to actually DO it.  The government is smart enough NOT to make
> martyrs out of those people.  The hippies were the same way.  Kent State
> was their rally cry.
>
> In the end you've got armed military invading a ship full of unarmed
> civilians.  /thread

After seeing the video showing exactly how armed they were I have to
say you are ignoring facts.
They didn't have to die, they just wanted to.


== 10 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 7:46 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Jun 2, 5:39 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:

> My sense is that militaries -- US, Israeli, whoever -- aren't careful
> enough about civilian casualties.  Whatever.  At least the discussion is
> being had.

Ummmmm Hamas' mission is to destroy Israel and her civilians.

I guess Hamas does not have to be careful about killing civilians????

mr dude

== 11 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 7:54 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Jun 3, 9:29 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
(sticks and chains and whatnot don't count
> as "armed" ...

I am sure that if I were whipping your ass with a chain you would
change your mind.

mr dude (chain expert)

== 12 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 7:58 pm
From: MZ


mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu wrote:
> On Jun 2, 5:39 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
>> My sense is that militaries -- US, Israeli, whoever -- aren't careful
>> enough about civilian casualties. Whatever. At least the discussion is
>> being had.
>
> Ummmmm Hamas' mission is to destroy Israel and her civilians.
>
> I guess Hamas does not have to be careful about killing civilians????
>
> mr dude
>

Figures that mr dude would advocate the Bin Laden motto of "you kill my
civilians, I'll kill yours."


== 13 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 7:58 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Jun 4, 1:25 am, Johnny Morongo <j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com>
wrote:

> Did you ever notice that by and large the peoples against whom the
> Americans, Russians AND Israelis misuse their military power against
> have all been third world countries fighting for their very existence?
> It's never a fair fight.

Yes! All the aforementioned countries should drop their superior
weapons and use inferior ones to make it a "fair fight".

What a fucktard!!!!

mr dude (he probably has a cock in his mouth as we speak)

== 14 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 7:59 pm
From: MZ


mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu wrote:
> On Jun 3, 9:29 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> (sticks and chains and whatnot don't count
>> as "armed" ...
>
> I am sure that if I were whipping your ass with a chain you would
> change your mind.
>
> mr dude (chain expert)
>

If I was holding a gun, I'd love to see you try.


== 15 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:20 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Jun 4, 11:47 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:

>
> Have you ever been to Israel ??? How may Israelies do you know ???

I once ate an Israeli's liver with some Brett Favre beans and a nice
Chianti.

mr dude

== 16 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:33 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Jun 4, 9:11 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:

> I apologize...this is what happens when you almost die, get last rites three
> times (and did not ask for it !) and then have some miracle
> happen....


Ummmm if you believe in your religion and it's "last rites" ceremony
aren't you shitting in the face of your religious doctrine by living
three times???? If you had faith should have done the right thing and
died.

mr dude I'm (just saying)

== 17 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:37 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Jun 6, 10:58 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:

> Figures that mr dude would advocate the Bin Laden motto of "you kill my
> civilians, I'll kill yours."

I hate Bin Laden!!!

He "unfriended" me on Facebook!!!

He is such a fucktarded tool!!!

mr dude

== 18 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:38 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Jun 6, 10:59 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu wrote:
> > On Jun 3, 9:29 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> >  (sticks and chains and whatnot don't count
> >> as "armed" ...
>
> > I  am sure that if I were whipping your ass with a chain you would
> > change your mind.
>
> > mr dude (chain expert)
>
> If I was holding a gun, I'd love to see you try.

Your Mom holds a gun.

mr dude

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TOPIC: Hey Glenn, this will piss you off
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d2a14763e344dfde?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 6:57 pm
From: "Ray OHara"


http://www.examiner.com/x-41673-LA-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m6d5-Helen-Thomas--JEWS-GO-BACK-TO-POLAND

I never figured her for a racist. Maybe she's getting senile

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:04 pm
From: "RåvÑsfån®~"

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/category/nfl-police-blotter/


---

Drew ~
RävNsfän ®

"...I'm sending him (RävNsfän ®) to the kill file,
I suggest the rest of you do the same".
*Strickland* - April 15, 2009

"...I guess I'll go back to my previous habit
of just ignoring your (RävNsfän ®) posts..."
*Rocky* (the nutless squirrel) - Feb 23, 2010

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:22 pm
From: "R�v�sf�n�~"


Ben Roethlisberger Returns to Steelers, Changes 'For the Better'39
6/01/2010 3:24 PM ET By Pat McManamon

PITTSBURGH -- One of Ben Roethlisberger's better friends said the Pittsburgh
Steelers' quarterback returned to the team on Tuesday as a changed man.

"I don't know if anyone else really sees it," said Brett Keisel, a Steelers
defensive end. "But we're close and I think he's made changes for the
better."

What ways do those changes show?

"I don't know," Keisel said. "It's hard to really tell."


LOL !


Drew ~
R�vNsf�n �

"...I'm sending him (R�vNsf�n �) to the kill file,
I suggest the rest of you do the same".
*Strickland* - April 15, 2009

"...I guess I'll go back to my previous habit
of just ignoring your (R�vNsf�n �) posts..."
*Rocky* (the nutless squirrel) - Feb 23, 2010


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:26 pm
From: "Ray OHara"

"RåvÑsfån®~" <trustylombardi@ravens.net> wrote in message
news:4c0c654e$0$2377$b42602f9@news.qis.net...
> Ben Roethlisberger Returns to Steelers, Changes 'For the Better'39
> 6/01/2010 3:24 PM ET By Pat McManamon
>
> PITTSBURGH -- One of Ben Roethlisberger's better friends said the
> Pittsburgh Steelers' quarterback returned to the team on Tuesday as a
> changed man.
>
> "I don't know if anyone else really sees it," said Brett Keisel, a
> Steelers defensive end. "But we're close and I think he's made changes for
> the better."
>
> What ways do those changes show?
>
> "I don't know," Keisel said. "It's hard to really tell."
>
>
> LOL !
>

he said all that after he banged his head riding his cycle too.


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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 12:53 pm
From: "Mark J."


DA74 wrote:

> What Floyd said, as dubiously credible as he is, doesn't really matter
> in the grand scheme of things. I don't think anyone is going to down
> based solely on his allegations. The investigator(s) are going to use
> his allegations as a starting point and begin questioning those on the
> periphery and work their way inward. In the probable absence of any
> likely physical evidence they will seek corroboration from witnesses.
>
> And Floyd's story will either fall apart or will be substantiated.
> Simple as that.

No, there's a less simple and more likely alternative:

Floyd's allegations will be neither disproven nor substantiated, and
we'll remain in the "they're all quite possibly dopers but we'll never
know for sure who's who" limbo that we are in now.

If you think that this mess is going to magically resolve itself into
clarity, you're dreaming.

Mark J.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 12:53 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


DA74 wrote:
> On Jun 6, 10:06 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
> <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 5, 1:39 pm, "Francesco del Ponte" <f...@n00spaaam.c0m> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "F. Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:EMudnfctvs4dHZfRnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>> Dumbass -
>>>>>> When intellectually inferior are unable to refute logic, the personal
>>>>>> attack is a common fallback.
>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>>>>>> Believe Tyler
>>>>> You have far more insight into yourself than I've ever give you
>>>> credit for
>>>>> having.
>>>> Dumbass -
>>>> You're unable to address this piece of logic. Floyd's picking and
>>>> choosing
>>>> his fingerpointing based upon who is and is not in his good graces
>>>> is yet
>>>> another nail in the coffin of his credibility.
>>>> BTW, a few weeks ago you were in rbr yammering on about Floyd and
>>>> Arnie
>>>> Baker's hacking escapades. Back then he was evil incarnate, now he's
>>>> credible whistleblower? Sorry. When it comes to credibility, one can
>>>> go from
>>>> being a truthteller to being a liar, but one cannot go the other way,
>>>> not in
>>>> that short a period of time. Credibility comes from building up a
>>>> history
>>>> and a habit being a stand-up person. Floyd is the complete opposite
>>>> of that.
>>>> Maybe the dude should've figured all that out well before his poor
>>>> father in
>>>> law committed suicide.
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>>> Asshat,
>>> Why are you and others here so hung up on Floyd's credibility, aside from regurgitating
>>> Radio Shack's party line? His credibility is irrelevant to schmucks like you.
>>> The investigators are simply going to use his allegations as a starting off
>>> point. Corroboration is the only game in town and getting the players under
>>> oath by the feds will shed plenty of sunshine on the story. The truth will
>>> come out so don't get you panties tied in a knot in the meantime about Floyd's
>>> credibility.
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> I should add:
>>
>> has it occured to you that if Tugboat's Dad is left off the list
>> because Floyd likes him, there may be some people on the list because
>> Floyd doesn't like him?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Kurgobro,
> What Floyd said, as dubiously credible as he is, doesn't really matter
> in the grand scheme of things. I don't think anyone is going to down
> based solely on his allegations. The investigator(s) are going to use
> his allegations as a starting point and begin questioning those on the
> periphery and work their way inward. In the probable absence of any
> likely physical evidence they will seek corroboration from witnesses.
>
> And Floyd's story will either fall apart or will be substantiated.
> Simple as that.
>
> Whether he didn't initially name Tyler because he is a bro is
> irrelevant. Whether he named some guys with which he had an axe to
> grind is irrelevant. Floyd's story alone does not a conviction make
> and we're either at the beginning of a brewing storm or we've just
> witnessed a small fender bender on the side of the highway.
>
> You're Welcome,
> DA74
>

Fockstick,

This is stuff from 2003 and earlier. Each path will end in
a "I don't remember" dead end. If there are any faxes from
Kik they are long gone. The people that have LANCE's
medical records have had years to scrub them.

People that hate LANCE are getting boners over this stuff
and it isn't leaving enough blood for their brains.

LANCE is going to get his ass kicked in the Tour. PTHL will
just have to be happy with that because it is all they are
going to get.

Fred Flintstein


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 1:09 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jun 6, 10:42 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/6/2010 1:05 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
>
> > On Jun 6, 9:43 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> Ah, I didn't know it developed from subpoena to arrest warrant.
>
> >> It's possible that since they have a Frenchman who confessed to the
> >> actual hacking they may have vacated the warrant.
>
> > Super IP Expert Lafferty -
>
> > I thought, based upon your posting here, there was irrefutable proof
> > that Arnie and Floyd did it.
>
> > After all, hackers just make money for defense attorneys, right?
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> You're wrong again.  There was an allegation reported as to the IP:
> address used in the hacking.  See the CyclingNews and NY Times corrected
> reports.  It still isn't clear who did what, when.  It's also not clear
> who the Frenchman may or may not have been working for, particularly as
> it appears he may have hacked for other "clients" as well.
>
> Carry on.

Dumbass,

You posted all this stuff about IP addresses,
Baker and Landis:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/3334fd6b65c6900f?hl=en

*after* the French guy owned up to the hacking.
So was it all just wishful thinking on your part?

Fredhacker Ben


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 5:26 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/6/2010 4:09 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Jun 6, 10:42 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 6/6/2010 1:05 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 9:43 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Ah, I didn't know it developed from subpoena to arrest warrant.
>>
>>>> It's possible that since they have a Frenchman who confessed to the
>>>> actual hacking they may have vacated the warrant.
>>
>>> Super IP Expert Lafferty -
>>
>>> I thought, based upon your posting here, there was irrefutable proof
>>> that Arnie and Floyd did it.
>>
>>> After all, hackers just make money for defense attorneys, right?
>>
>>> thanks,
>>
>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>>
>> You're wrong again. There was an allegation reported as to the IP:
>> address used in the hacking. See the CyclingNews and NY Times corrected
>> reports. It still isn't clear who did what, when. It's also not clear
>> who the Frenchman may or may not have been working for, particularly as
>> it appears he may have hacked for other "clients" as well.
>>
>> Carry on.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> You posted all this stuff about IP addresses,
> Baker and Landis:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/3334fd6b65c6900f?hl=en
>
> *after* the French guy owned up to the hacking.
> So was it all just wishful thinking on your part?
>
> Fredhacker Ben
As of 2/17 when I posted, I was citing what I was aware of from the
French and US press. As you can see, I don't spend all my time
searching for the latest news.

The following appeared in the NY Times on *2/19/10*:

"Correction: February 19, 2010
An article on Tuesday about the issuing of an arrest warrant in France
for the United States cyclist Floyd Landis in connection with a computer
data hacking case from 2006 misstated the suspicions of investigators
after a security breach at the French antidoping lab that tested
Landis�s urine samples from the 2006 Tour de France. *Investigators
found that an e-mail message sent to another lab in an apparent effort
to discredit the Ch�tenay-Malabry antidoping lab � the message included
nonpublic documents from Landis�s Tour testing, the first indication
that the French lab had been hacked � had originated from the same
Internet Protocol address used by Arnie Baker, then Landis�s coach; they
did not conclude that a Trojan horse program used to download files
remotely from the lab could have originated from an e-mail message sent
from Baker�s computer.* (In fact, a French computer specialist, Alain
Quiros, has confessed to the hacking.)"

It's not clear how Landis and/or Baker's was involved in the matter.
Maybe that's part of why the French judge wanted to ask them about.

Keep trying. Carry on.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 1:02 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<4f3c92f1-5f1e-4781-b19a-d2d27ed6a71e@z15g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
DA74 <davidastor74@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 6, 9:58 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
> <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 6, 7:57 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Asked if he believed in Landis's allegations Bahati said: "I think I'm a
> > > realist but it's hard for me to say if he was telling the truth or not.
> > > I think in sports you may always have people looking for that extra edge
> > > but I have no clue. I've never been at that level of the sport."
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > His opinion is the same as most of us, however, unlike Floyd, he
> > doesn't want to be a rat.
> >
> > I know you don't get that position, but please indulge me and consider
> > a different group doing a similar thing. Say there's a rave going on.
> > Quite a few people there will be on some sort of hallucinogin or
> > recreational drug. Say someone gets busted. The rat will point fingers
> > at all his/her peers in an attempt to get off. Most won't however.
> > Most will just take their punishment.
> >
> > It's clear that, based upon your behavior in this group, that you
> > don't understand peer dynamics so I'll explain it to you. Most people
> > will put the esteem of their peers much higher than the esteem of the
> > authorities or the esteem of the rest of society.
> >
> > If indeed Floyd is telling the truth, he'll be in with the
> > authorities, but he'll be shunned by his peers. He's trying to bring
> > all his friends down just because he went down. Some friend he is. How
> > would he feel if one of his friends decided to blow the whistle on him
> > when he was using and getting away with it? He's slime.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Kurgobro,
> I think the whole backstory for this Floyd mess is the fact that he
> felt shunned by his peers after his suspension. The emails from Dr.
> Brent Kay to Lance actually lay out this scenario. It seems that Floyd
> felt like he couldn't get back into the game so he gave it one last
> try with the threatening emails to Messick and then, once unsuccessful
> decided to take everyone down. Who knows what goes through his brain
> but he obviously only cares about himself and obviously feels like his
> peers turned their backs on him.

That he ever chose threats suggests that his initial
attempts to get back into the game were as maladroit
as his later attempts.

--
Old Fritz


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 4:03 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jun 6, 1:55 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 6, 11:33 am, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Kurgobro,
> > I think the whole backstory for this Floyd mess is the fact that he
> > felt shunned by his peers after his suspension.
>
> <snip>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> You're probably right.
>
> It's stupid of him though, if indeed he wanted to get back in the
> game. As you pointed out earlier in this group, some others (Basso, et
> al) have taken their suspension quietly and gotten back in.
>
> Floyd's mistakes began when he was doing all that crap with the Floyd
> Fairness Fund and his book and all that. IMO, all of his actions have
> been wrong. First he dicked over the people he lied to about not
> doping (and took their money), now he's dicking over his peers. At
> least he's dicking over his peers whom he doesn't like.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

A serious flaw would be if he's playing favorites with his
revelations. If Floyd knows others are doping and he hasn't outed
them because they are friends or have been 'supportive' then he's just
a vindictive cunt.

If he rreally wants a clean conscience he should tell all - I know
this isn't the popular answer but either your clean or your not.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 5:14 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/6/2010 7:03 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Jun 6, 1:55 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
> <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 6, 11:33 am, DA74<davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Kurgobro,
>>> I think the whole backstory for this Floyd mess is the fact that he
>>> felt shunned by his peers after his suspension.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> You're probably right.
>>
>> It's stupid of him though, if indeed he wanted to get back in the
>> game. As you pointed out earlier in this group, some others (Basso, et
>> al) have taken their suspension quietly and gotten back in.
>>
>> Floyd's mistakes began when he was doing all that crap with the Floyd
>> Fairness Fund and his book and all that. IMO, all of his actions have
>> been wrong. First he dicked over the people he lied to about not
>> doping (and took their money), now he's dicking over his peers. At
>> least he's dicking over his peers whom he doesn't like.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> A serious flaw would be if he's playing favorites with his
> revelations. If Floyd knows others are doping and he hasn't outed
> them because they are friends or have been 'supportive' then he's just
> a vindictive cunt.
>
> If he rreally wants a clean conscience he should tell all - I know
> this isn't the popular answer but either your clean or your not.
As a practical matter, it's often best to not make the full proffer up
front. Better to see the reaction and then continue to deal. This assums
he hasn't already told what he might know about others.

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TOPIC: LA will not race the Tour
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 1:04 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


DA74 wrote:
> Please expound or SFTU.

Dude. Suck it.

Thanks,

Fred Flintstein


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 1:04 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


Amit Ghosh wrote:
> On Jun 6, 2:08 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Consider also the potential for damage to a French company and
>> the French tourism industry. If you were to calculate the winners
>> and losers in this scenario, a big winner would be the Giro, the
>> sport's biggest and most important event. The one all the top
>> riders would never miss.
>>
>
> dumbass,
>
> the tour is the tour and the giro will never come close to the level
> of exposure.
>
> the tour has already had numerous scandals, the biggest was floyd
> landis, but the rasmussen thing happened the year after and neither of
> those had any impact on the stature of the event.
>

What the original poster was projecting was that a foreign
witch hunt could lead to arrest and detention in France.
That's not true, but if it were I think you would find a
much lower degree of enthusiasm among top riders for racing
the Tour. For example, how could a LANCE scandal not also
threaten Contador?

I was just pointing out that the original poster was thinking
with the wrong organ.

Fred Flintstein


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 2:31 pm
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jun 6, 4:04 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:
> Amit Ghosh wrote:

> What the original poster was projecting was that a foreign
> witch hunt could lead to arrest and detention in France.
> That's not true, but if it were I think you would find a
> much lower degree of enthusiasm among top riders for racing
> the Tour. For example, how could a LANCE scandal not also
> threaten Contador?

dumbass,

contador is the teflon don. how did his entire team (incluing the
manager) get implicated in puerto but he was unscathed ?


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 3:40 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/6/2010 3:22 PM, Betty Munro wrote:
> K. Fred Gauss wrote:
>> If Lafferty were a French cop in a position of authority, this would
>> make perfect sense.
>
> The return of the Pink Panther.
In the event that you forgot, the inspector always got his man.


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 3:57 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jun 6, 1:08 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:
> Amit Ghosh wrote:
> > On Jun 6, 1:26 pm, "Fred" <n00sp...@n00spam.c0m> wrote:
>
> >> He's not going to set foot in France. Especially with allegations that he was
> >> involved in organized doping on French soil as both a rider and team owner.
> >> They are champing at the bit to get him into an interrogation room.
>
> > dumbass,
>
> > how are the recent allegations worse that what armstrong endured in
> > the past ? the walsh stuff, the betsey andreu stuff, the andreu
> > vaughters chat ? the 1999 LNDD stuff ?
>
> Consider also the potential for damage to a French company and
> the French tourism industry. If you were to calculate the winners
> and losers in this scenario, a big winner would be the Giro, the
> sport's biggest and most important event. The one all the top
> riders would never miss.
>
> Fred Flintstein

You've got a point... the USA and the Hollywood have struggled and
suffered without Roman Polanski's presence.

I hope she was a lot hotter at 13 ,,,, kind of looks like a fat
Jessica Lange.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5349005-504083.html

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 4:33 pm
From: bar


On Jun 6, 5:31 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 6, 4:04 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Amit Ghosh wrote:
> > What the original poster was projecting was that a foreign
> > witch hunt could lead to arrest and detention in France.
> > That's not true, but if it were I think you would find a
> > much lower degree of enthusiasm among top riders for racing
> > the Tour. For example, how could a LANCE scandal not also
> > threaten Contador?
>
> dumbass,
>
> contador is the teflon don. how did his entire team (incluing the
> manager) get implicated in puerto but he was unscathed ?

the Pistolero is clean, bro. Get over it. If LANCE comes to France,
he'll get his monkey ass blown away, not by french authorities, but by
the Pistolero ... did you see him smoke that prologue today? LANCE
doesn't want any of that ...

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 6:10 pm
From: drmofe


On Jun 7, 7:22 am, Betty Munro <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> K. Fred Gauss wrote:
> >  If Lafferty were a French cop in a position of authority, this would make perfect sense.
>
> The return of the Pink Panther.

Where is h squared when you need her?
Oh, not that sort of Pink Panther.


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 6:16 pm
From: drmofe


On Jun 7, 5:26 am, "Fred" <n00sp...@n00spam.c0m> wrote:
> He's not going to set foot in France. Especially with allegations that he was
> involved in organized doping on French soil as both a rider and team owner.
> They are champing at the bit to get him into an interrogation room.

What would be hilarious would be to see protestors along the route
holding up pictures of batteries with "Electricite" rather than "Dope"

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 1:23 pm
From: "GoneBeforeMyTime"


curtis@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> 1. John Eustace is the most annoying announcer allowed to broadcast at
> major and semi-major events.
> 2. John Eustace is far more interested in what he wants to say than
> what is actually happening in the race, often talking right through
> the few actual happenings on the road.
> 3. Steve and Todd or Phil and Paul sound absolutely professional
> compared to this team - Todd was the lone worthwhile voice in the wall
> of sound that accompanied the race. The only thing to really break
> through were the two times the sirens went off.
> 4. The Footon-Servetto kit is a crime against both nature and mankind.
> It makes ugly an absolute goal and exceeds the target.
>
> I stayed around, but missed whether or not the guy in front most of
> the last third of the race finished and took the King of the Wall. I
> assume he did, but...
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...

Sounds like the description of David Duffy who got fired, finally after
people complained. Russell Williams was cool though and very much spot/point
on.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 2:13 pm
From: "H. Fred Kveck"


In article <9eaacbc2-0cbc-49dc-a342-98cb8b43b3f7@e6g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
Amit Ghosh <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 5, 6:06�pm, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-b2uZccQIQ
> >
> > -rj
>
> dumbass,
>
> i would love it if matt decanio trained all winter on a blacked out
> beater bike and went to redlands and beat a bunch of pros, but that
> will never happen let alone decanio riding at the europro level.
>
> he has the talent but he is either manic depressive or just
> emotionally immature to deal with all the little setbacks that any
> bike racer has to deal with.
>
> many of his ex-prime alliance teammates are still racing with some
> success, danny pate, mike creed, svein tuft.

I get the feeling he's exactly where he wants to be.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 2:26 pm
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jun 6, 5:13 pm, "H. Fred Kveck" <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <9eaacbc2-0cbc-49dc-a342-98cb8b43b...@e6g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>  Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 5, 6:06 pm, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-b2uZccQIQ
>
> > > -rj
>
> > dumbass,
>
> > i would love it if matt decanio trained all winter on a blacked out
> > beater bike and went to redlands and beat a bunch of pros, but that
> > will never happen let alone decanio riding at the europro level.
>
> > he has the talent but he is either manic depressive or just
> > emotionally immature to deal with all the little setbacks that any
> > bike racer has to deal with.
>
> > many of his ex-prime alliance teammates are still racing with some
> > success, danny pate, mike creed, svein tuft.
>
>    I get the feeling he's exactly where he wants to be.

dumbass,

if he's where he wants to be why is he on youtube with antoine vayer
saying he wants to ride at the europro level ? why doesn't he just
leave cycling, there are way better/easier ways to make money.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 3:21 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Amit Ghosh wrote:
> On Jun 6, 5:13 pm, "H. Fred Kveck" <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>> In article <9eaacbc2-0cbc-49dc-a342-98cb8b43b...@e6g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>> Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 5, 6:06 pm, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-b2uZccQIQ
>>>> -rj
>>> dumbass,
>>> i would love it if matt decanio trained all winter on a blacked out
>>> beater bike and went to redlands and beat a bunch of pros, but that
>>> will never happen let alone decanio riding at the europro level.
>>> he has the talent but he is either manic depressive or just
>>> emotionally immature to deal with all the little setbacks that any
>>> bike racer has to deal with.
>>> many of his ex-prime alliance teammates are still racing with some
>>> success, danny pate, mike creed, svein tuft.
>> I get the feeling he's exactly where he wants to be.
>
> dumbass,
>
> if he's where he wants to be why is he on youtube with antoine vayer
> saying he wants to ride at the europro level ? why doesn't he just
> leave cycling, there are way better/easier ways to make money.

You've made some unjustified assumptions about his decision making process.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 5:49 pm
From: Dear Crabby


On 6/6/10 11:19 AM, in article
9eaacbc2-0cbc-49dc-a342-98cb8b43b3f7@e6g2000vbm.googlegroups.com, "Amit
Ghosh" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 5, 6:06 pm, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-b2uZccQIQ
>>
>> -rj
>
> dumbass,
>
> i would love it if matt decanio trained all winter on a blacked out
> beater bike and went to redlands and beat a bunch of pros, but that
> will never happen let alone decanio riding at the europro level.
>
> he has the talent but he is either manic depressive or just
> emotionally immature to deal with all the little setbacks that any
> bike racer has to deal with.
>
> many of his ex-prime alliance teammates are still racing with some
> success, danny pate, mike creed, svein tuft.

Chris Horner...........


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 2:33 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Betty Munro wrote:
> B. Lafferty wrote:
>>>>>> He really is miraculous!
>>>>> I'll bet his butt hurt so much he used a steroid cream on it.
>
> Fred wrote:
>>>> And I'll bet he can produce a doctor's note for it if you give him a
>>>> day or
>>>> so.
>
> B. Lafferty wrote:
>>> You are so cynical. :-)
>
> K. Fred Gauss wrote:
>> If there were any Church of the Free Markets adherents left in this
>> NG, they would explain to you why this is not cynical, but rather
>> moral and just.
>
> You must be missing SOTSs rbr essays.

Not really, no. He did have some interesting stuff, sometimes. Remember
his claim that Somalia represented an ideal of liberty that everyone
else should strive for? Where else can you get ideas like that? (That's
a rhetorical question, you don't have to answer it)

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TOPIC: Dauphine & Chris Horner
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3b102ea7bf8fe426?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 2:32 pm
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jun 4, 3:29 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> Team Radioshack
>
> Janez Brajkovic
> Ben Hermans
> Christopher Horner
> Geoffroy Lequatre
> Sergio Miguel Moreira Paulinho
> Sébastien Rosseler
> Tomas Vaitkus
> Haimar Zubeldia Agirre
>
> So who's the team leader?
>
> --Mike--     Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

dumbass,

your bald boyfriend isn't going to win.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 4:16 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Was in Austin over the weekend and took a moment to stop by the
doper's shop. Nothing interesting. Just some overpriced run of the
mill shit.

From the looks of things mainly non RBR posers and fatties buying the
$26 t-shirts.

If the shop that Heather sent me to in Belgium and Jowan's in
Kluisbergen rate 10s then MJ's is about a 4 maybe 4.5.

Much better time swimming over at Barton Springs.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 4:36 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jun 6, 12:38 am, drmofe <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
> On Jun 6, 6:02 am, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/2010/06/anatomy-of-cancellara-attack....
>
> Nice link.  The guy obviously did some work and to a first
> approximation the numbers look believable.
> The odd thing is: if you were going to pick an attack which
> demonstrated something fishy, that wouldn't be it.
> You know, his bridge up to the leaders at Beijing was more physically
> impressive.
> The attack in the gutter at Paris-Roubaix was well-timed, but nothing
> that hasn't been seen before in that race, at around that time in
> proceedings.  If that's the only indicator, it isn't convincing.  So
> somebody doesn't necessarily know something, but they think they
> might.  A tip-off, rather than a smoking gun.
>
> Boardman's "1kW from an AAA" is nonsensical.  A power recovery system
> that got back more than a small fraction of power input would be of
> interest - but the power still has to come from somewhere.
> Let's say the rider sits in the bunch for 5 hours - we know from
> previous analysis that he can cruise and expend 100-150W.  Let's say
> he puts in 200W for 5 hours instead of 150, so there's 0.25kWh to play
> with.
> He needs 1500W for 10 seconds, that's only 0.004kWh.  So the system
> doesn't even have to be that efficient.  If it exists, he can spin it
> up for only 15 minutes at 50W excess input power at 33% efficiency.
> The only real clue we have at the moment is Phil Liggett's potentially
> Freudian "He's a machine" line

The author is biased. He has a obvious man crush on FC. ( looks like
it's been going on a year + now )

http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/2009/11/some-probability-and-statistics-on.html

If I was Fabian I'd get an ex parte before this stocker does something
creepier than advertising his love in a blog.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 4:39 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Lance better talk to his attorneys before he realizes too late you
can't punch people for telling the truth.

They ain't 'fighting words' if they're true. (of course I have no
idea what the laws in LU are)

But in Amerika it's open season on Lance.

http://gantdaily.com/2010/06/06/heckler-tries-to-spoil-armstrongs-third-place-finish-in-luxembourg/

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 10:32 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/6/2010 12:58 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
> On Jun 6, 7:57 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> Asked if he believed in Landis�s allegations Bahati said: �I think I�m a
>> realist but it�s hard for me to say if he was telling the truth or not.
>> I think in sports you may always have people looking for that extra edge
>> but I have no clue. I�ve never been at that level of the sport.�
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> His opinion is the same as most of us, however, unlike Floyd, he
> doesn't want to be a rat.
>
> I know you don't get that position, but please indulge me and consider
> a different group doing a similar thing. Say there's a rave going on.
> Quite a few people there will be on some sort of hallucinogin or
> recreational drug. Say someone gets busted. The rat will point fingers
> at all his/her peers in an attempt to get off. Most won't however.
> Most will just take their punishment.
>
> It's clear that, based upon your behavior in this group, that you
> don't understand peer dynamics so I'll explain it to you. Most people
> will put the esteem of their peers much higher than the esteem of the
> authorities or the esteem of the rest of society.
>
> If indeed Floyd is telling the truth, he'll be in with the
> authorities, but he'll be shunned by his peers. He's trying to bring
> all his friends down just because he went down. Some friend he is. How
> would he feel if one of his friends decided to blow the whistle on him
> when he was using and getting away with it? He's slime.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Thanks ever so much for sharing.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 11:33 am
From: DA74


On Jun 6, 9:58 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 6, 7:57 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Asked if he believed in Landis's allegations Bahati said: "I think I'm a
> > realist but it's hard for me to say if he was telling the truth or not.
> > I think in sports you may always have people looking for that extra edge
> > but I have no clue. I've never been at that level of the sport."
>
> Dumbass -
>
> His opinion is the same as most of us, however, unlike Floyd, he
> doesn't want to be a rat.
>
> I know you don't get that position, but please indulge me and consider
> a different group doing a similar thing. Say there's a rave going on.
> Quite a few people there will be on some sort of hallucinogin or
> recreational drug. Say someone gets busted. The rat will point fingers
> at all his/her peers in an attempt to get off. Most won't however.
> Most will just take their punishment.
>
> It's clear that, based upon your behavior in this group, that you
> don't understand peer dynamics so I'll explain it to you. Most people
> will put the esteem of their peers much higher than the esteem of the
> authorities or the esteem of the rest of society.
>
> If indeed Floyd is telling the truth, he'll be in with the
> authorities, but he'll be shunned by his peers. He's trying to bring
> all his friends down just because he went down. Some friend he is. How
> would he feel if one of his friends decided to blow the whistle on him
> when he was using and getting away with it? He's slime.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Kurgobro,
I think the whole backstory for this Floyd mess is the fact that he
felt shunned by his peers after his suspension. The emails from Dr.
Brent Kay to Lance actually lay out this scenario. It seems that Floyd
felt like he couldn't get back into the game so he gave it one last
try with the threatening emails to Messick and then, once unsuccessful
decided to take everyone down. Who knows what goes through his brain
but he obviously only cares about himself and obviously feels like his
peers turned their backs on him.
-DA74


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 12:01 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


DA74 wrote:
> On Jun 6, 9:58 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
> <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 6, 7:57 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Asked if he believed in Landis's allegations Bahati said: "I think I'm a
>>> realist but it's hard for me to say if he was telling the truth or not.
>>> I think in sports you may always have people looking for that extra edge
>>> but I have no clue. I've never been at that level of the sport."
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> His opinion is the same as most of us, however, unlike Floyd, he
>> doesn't want to be a rat.
>>
>> I know you don't get that position, but please indulge me and consider
>> a different group doing a similar thing. Say there's a rave going on.
>> Quite a few people there will be on some sort of hallucinogin or
>> recreational drug. Say someone gets busted. The rat will point fingers
>> at all his/her peers in an attempt to get off. Most won't however.
>> Most will just take their punishment.
>>
>> It's clear that, based upon your behavior in this group, that you
>> don't understand peer dynamics so I'll explain it to you. Most people
>> will put the esteem of their peers much higher than the esteem of the
>> authorities or the esteem of the rest of society.
>>
>> If indeed Floyd is telling the truth, he'll be in with the
>> authorities, but he'll be shunned by his peers. He's trying to bring
>> all his friends down just because he went down. Some friend he is. How
>> would he feel if one of his friends decided to blow the whistle on him
>> when he was using and getting away with it? He's slime.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Kurgobro,
> I think the whole backstory for this Floyd mess is the fact that he
> felt shunned by his peers after his suspension. The emails from Dr.
> Brent Kay to Lance actually lay out this scenario. It seems that Floyd
> felt like he couldn't get back into the game so he gave it one last
> try with the threatening emails to Messick and then, once unsuccessful
> decided to take everyone down. Who knows what goes through his brain
> but he obviously only cares about himself and obviously feels like his
> peers turned their backs on him.
> -DA74

That's what I got, too. I don't see any other way to spin those emails.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 11:55 am
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Jun 6, 11:33 am, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Kurgobro,
> I think the whole backstory for this Floyd mess is the fact that he
> felt shunned by his peers after his suspension.

<snip>


Dumbass -

You're probably right.

It's stupid of him though, if indeed he wanted to get back in the
game. As you pointed out earlier in this group, some others (Basso, et
al) have taken their suspension quietly and gotten back in.

Floyd's mistakes began when he was doing all that crap with the Floyd
Fairness Fund and his book and all that. IMO, all of his actions have
been wrong. First he dicked over the people he lied to about not
doping (and took their money), now he's dicking over his peers. At
least he's dicking over his peers whom he doesn't like.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 11:59 am
From: DA74


On Jun 6, 11:55 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 6, 11:33 am, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Kurgobro,
> > I think the whole backstory for this Floyd mess is the fact that he
> > felt shunned by his peers after his suspension.
>
> <snip>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> You're probably right.
>
> It's stupid of him though, if indeed he wanted to get back in the
> game. As you pointed out earlier in this group, some others (Basso, et
> al) have taken their suspension quietly and gotten back in.
>
> Floyd's mistakes began when he was doing all that crap with the Floyd
> Fairness Fund and his book and all that. IMO, all of his actions have
> been wrong. First he dicked over the people he lied to about not
> doping (and took their money), now he's dicking over his peers. At
> least he's dicking over his peers whom he doesn't like.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

You're right. I think his biggest problem is that he thinks he's a lot
smarter than he really is. That is a lethal combination for him and
those around him. What a fucking moron.
-DA74

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 10:37 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/6/2010 1:06 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
> On Jun 5, 1:39 pm, "Francesco del Ponte"<f...@n00spaaam.c0m> wrote:
>> "F. Kurgan Gringioni"<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:EMudnfctvs4dHZfRnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>>>> When intellectually inferior are unable to refute logic, the personal
>>>>> attack is a common fallback.
>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>
>>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>>>>> Believe Tyler
>>
>>>> You have far more insight into yourself than I've ever give you
>>> credit for
>>>> having.
>>
>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>> You're unable to address this piece of logic. Floyd's picking and
>>> choosing
>>> his fingerpointing based upon who is and is not in his good graces
>>> is yet
>>> another nail in the coffin of his credibility.
>>
>>> BTW, a few weeks ago you were in rbr yammering on about Floyd and
>>> Arnie
>>> Baker's hacking escapades. Back then he was evil incarnate, now he's
>>
>>> credible whistleblower? Sorry. When it comes to credibility, one can
>>> go from
>>> being a truthteller to being a liar, but one cannot go the other way,
>>> not in
>>> that short a period of time. Credibility comes from building up a
>>> history
>>> and a habit being a stand-up person. Floyd is the complete opposite
>>> of that.
>>
>>> Maybe the dude should've figured all that out well before his poor
>>> father in
>>> law committed suicide.
>>
>>> thanks,
>>
>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>>
>> Asshat,
>> Why are you and others here so hung up on Floyd's credibility, aside from regurgitating
>> Radio Shack's party line? His credibility is irrelevant to schmucks like you.
>> The investigators are simply going to use his allegations as a starting off
>> point. Corroboration is the only game in town and getting the players under
>> oath by the feds will shed plenty of sunshine on the story. The truth will
>> come out so don't get you panties tied in a knot in the meantime about Floyd's
>> credibility.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I should add:
>
> has it occured to you that if Tugboat's Dad is left off the list
> because Floyd likes him, there may be some people on the list because
> Floyd doesn't like him?
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Has it occurred to you that Landis may (or may not) have implicated
Tug's dad verbally or in a sworn statement only the investigating
authorities are privy to? Of course not. Carry on.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 10:42 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/6/2010 1:05 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
> On Jun 6, 9:43 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Ah, I didn't know it developed from subpoena to arrest warrant.
>>
>> It's possible that since they have a Frenchman who confessed to the
>> actual hacking they may have vacated the warrant.
>
>
>
> Super IP Expert Lafferty -
>
> I thought, based upon your posting here, there was irrefutable proof
> that Arnie and Floyd did it.
>
> After all, hackers just make money for defense attorneys, right?
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
You're wrong again. There was an allegation reported as to the IP:
address used in the hacking. See the CyclingNews and NY Times corrected
reports. It still isn't clear who did what, when. It's also not clear
who the Frenchman may or may not have been working for, particularly as
it appears he may have hacked for other "clients" as well.

Carry on.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 11:19 am
From: DA74


On Jun 6, 10:06 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 5, 1:39 pm, "Francesco del Ponte" <f...@n00spaaam.c0m> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "F. Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >"B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > >news:EMudnfctvs4dHZfRnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > >>> Dumbass -
>
> > >>> When intellectually inferior are unable to refute logic, the personal
> > >>> attack is a common fallback.
>
> > >>> thanks,
>
> > >>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
> > >>> Believe Tyler
>
> > >> You have far more insight into yourself than I've ever give you
> > >credit for
> > >> having.
>
> > >Dumbass -
>
> > >You're unable to address this piece of logic. Floyd's picking and
> > >choosing
> > >his fingerpointing based upon who is and is not in his good graces
> > >is yet
> > >another nail in the coffin of his credibility.
>
> > >BTW, a few weeks ago you were in rbr yammering on about Floyd and
> > >Arnie
> > >Baker's hacking escapades. Back then he was evil incarnate, now he's
>
> > >credible whistleblower? Sorry. When it comes to credibility, one can
> > >go from
> > >being a truthteller to being a liar, but one cannot go the other way,
> > >not in
> > >that short a period of time. Credibility comes from building up a
> > >history
> > >and a habit being a stand-up person. Floyd is the complete opposite
> > >of that.
>
> > >Maybe the dude should've figured all that out well before his poor
> > >father in
> > >law committed suicide.
>
> > >thanks,
>
> > >Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> > Asshat,
> > Why are you and others here so hung up on Floyd's credibility, aside from regurgitating
> > Radio Shack's party line? His credibility is irrelevant to schmucks like you.
> > The investigators are simply going to use his allegations as a starting off
> > point. Corroboration is the only game in town and getting the players under
> > oath by the feds will shed plenty of sunshine on the story. The truth will
> > come out so don't get you panties tied in a knot in the meantime about Floyd's
> > credibility.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I should add:
>
> has it occured to you that if Tugboat's Dad is left off the list
> because Floyd likes him, there may be some people on the list because
> Floyd doesn't like him?
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Kurgobro,
What Floyd said, as dubiously credible as he is, doesn't really matter
in the grand scheme of things. I don't think anyone is going to down
based solely on his allegations. The investigator(s) are going to use
his allegations as a starting point and begin questioning those on the
periphery and work their way inward. In the probable absence of any
likely physical evidence they will seek corroboration from witnesses.

And Floyd's story will either fall apart or will be substantiated.
Simple as that.

Whether he didn't initially name Tyler because he is a bro is
irrelevant. Whether he named some guys with which he had an axe to
grind is irrelevant. Floyd's story alone does not a conviction make
and we're either at the beginning of a brewing storm or we've just
witnessed a small fender bender on the side of the highway.

You're Welcome,
DA74

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 12:53 pm
From: "Mark J."


DA74 wrote:

> What Floyd said, as dubiously credible as he is, doesn't really matter
> in the grand scheme of things. I don't think anyone is going to down
> based solely on his allegations. The investigator(s) are going to use
> his allegations as a starting point and begin questioning those on the
> periphery and work their way inward. In the probable absence of any
> likely physical evidence they will seek corroboration from witnesses.
>
> And Floyd's story will either fall apart or will be substantiated.
> Simple as that.

No, there's a less simple and more likely alternative:

Floyd's allegations will be neither disproven nor substantiated, and
we'll remain in the "they're all quite possibly dopers but we'll never
know for sure who's who" limbo that we are in now.

If you think that this mess is going to magically resolve itself into
clarity, you're dreaming.

Mark J.

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TOPIC: Family man Armstrong looks strong in Luxembourg
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/625296abf5b6e0f5?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 10:38 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/6/2010 12:50 PM, Fred wrote:
> "B. Lafferty"<bl@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 6/5/2010 8:08 PM, K. Fred Gauss wrote:
>>> B. Lafferty wrote:
>>>> On 6/5/2010 11:55 AM, K. Fred Gauss wrote:
>>>>> "Family is one of the reasons that could prompt Armstrong to end
>> his
>>>>> career for good at the end of the season."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100604/sp_nm/us_cycling_luxembourg_armstrong
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Haven't we heard that before?
>>>
>>> From:
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100605/sp_nm/us_cycling_luxembourg_armstrong
>>>
>>> "It's even impossible to compare right now because 12 months ago
>> today I
>>> was in Colorado recovering from the Giro, trying to prepare for
>> the
>>> Tour, having a baby so there's really no comparison."
>>>
>>> The man had a baby last June! No wonder he didn't win the tour!
>>>
>>> He really is miraculous!
>> I'll bet his butt hurt so much he used a steroid cream on it.
>
> And I'll bet he can produce a doctor's note for it if you give him a day or
> so.
You are so cynical. :-)


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 11:07 am
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


B. Lafferty wrote:
> On 6/6/2010 12:50 PM, Fred wrote:
>> "B. Lafferty"<bl@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> On 6/5/2010 8:08 PM, K. Fred Gauss wrote:
>>>> B. Lafferty wrote:
>>>>> On 6/5/2010 11:55 AM, K. Fred Gauss wrote:
>>>>>> "Family is one of the reasons that could prompt Armstrong to end
>>> his
>>>>>> career for good at the end of the season."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100604/sp_nm/us_cycling_luxembourg_armstrong
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Haven't we heard that before?
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100605/sp_nm/us_cycling_luxembourg_armstrong
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "It's even impossible to compare right now because 12 months ago
>>> today I
>>>> was in Colorado recovering from the Giro, trying to prepare for
>>> the
>>>> Tour, having a baby so there's really no comparison."
>>>>
>>>> The man had a baby last June! No wonder he didn't win the tour!
>>>>
>>>> He really is miraculous!
>>> I'll bet his butt hurt so much he used a steroid cream on it.
>>
>> And I'll bet he can produce a doctor's note for it if you give him a
>> day or
>> so.
> You are so cynical. :-)

If there were any Church of the Free Markets adherents left in this NG,
they would explain to you why this is not cynical, but rather moral and
just.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 12:28 pm
From: Betty Munro


B. Lafferty wrote:
>>>>> He really is miraculous!
>>>> I'll bet his butt hurt so much he used a steroid cream on it.

Fred wrote:
>>> And I'll bet he can produce a doctor's note for it if you give him a
>>> day or
>>> so.

B. Lafferty wrote:
>> You are so cynical. :-)

K. Fred Gauss wrote:
> If there were any Church of the Free Markets adherents left in this NG,
> they would explain to you why this is not cynical, but rather moral and
> just.

You must be missing SOTSs rbr essays.

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TOPIC: LA will not race the Tour
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8769f97c1fd7ee72?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 10:43 am
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jun 6, 1:26 pm, "Fred" <n00sp...@n00spam.c0m> wrote:

> He's not going to set foot in France. Especially with allegations that he was
> involved in organized doping on French soil as both a rider and team owner.
> They are champing at the bit to get him into an interrogation room.

dumbass,

how are the recent allegations worse that what armstrong endured in
the past ? the walsh stuff, the betsey andreu stuff, the andreu
vaughters chat ? the 1999 LNDD stuff ?


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 10:44 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/6/2010 1:43 PM, Amit Ghosh wrote:
> On Jun 6, 1:26 pm, "Fred"<n00sp...@n00spam.c0m> wrote:
>
>> He's not going to set foot in France. Especially with allegations that he was
>> involved in organized doping on French soil as both a rider and team owner.
>> They are champing at the bit to get him into an interrogation room.
>
> dumbass,
>
> how are the recent allegations worse that what armstrong endured in
> the past ? the walsh stuff, the betsey andreu stuff, the andreu
> vaughters chat ? the 1999 LNDD stuff ?
Think about it a while longer and get back to us. If you haven't
figured it out with additional thinking cap time, we'll explain it to you.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 11:08 am
From: Fred Flintstein


Amit Ghosh wrote:
> On Jun 6, 1:26 pm, "Fred" <n00sp...@n00spam.c0m> wrote:
>
>> He's not going to set foot in France. Especially with allegations that he was
>> involved in organized doping on French soil as both a rider and team owner.
>> They are champing at the bit to get him into an interrogation room.
>
> dumbass,
>
> how are the recent allegations worse that what armstrong endured in
> the past ? the walsh stuff, the betsey andreu stuff, the andreu
> vaughters chat ? the 1999 LNDD stuff ?

Consider also the potential for damage to a French company and
the French tourism industry. If you were to calculate the winners
and losers in this scenario, a big winner would be the Giro, the
sport's biggest and most important event. The one all the top
riders would never miss.

Fred Flintstein


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 11:23 am
From: DA74


On Jun 6, 11:08 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:
> Amit Ghosh wrote:
> > On Jun 6, 1:26 pm, "Fred" <n00sp...@n00spam.c0m> wrote:
>
> >> He's not going to set foot in France. Especially with allegations that he was
> >> involved in organized doping on French soil as both a rider and team owner.
> >> They are champing at the bit to get him into an interrogation room.
>
> > dumbass,
>
> > how are the recent allegations worse that what armstrong endured in
> > the past ? the walsh stuff, the betsey andreu stuff, the andreu
> > vaughters chat ? the 1999 LNDD stuff ?
>
> Consider also the potential for damage to a French company and
> the French tourism industry. If you were to calculate the winners
> and losers in this scenario, a big winner would be the Giro, the
> sport's biggest and most important event. The one all the top
> riders would never miss.
>
> Fred Flintstein

This post makes no sense. What French company? Why would the tourism
industry suffer? Why would the Giro win? What does all this have to do
with Lance being questioned by the French authorities? If you recall
the race did just fine without him.

Please expound or SFTU.

Thanks,
DA74


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 11:32 am
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jun 6, 2:08 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:

> Consider also the potential for damage to a French company and
> the French tourism industry. If you were to calculate the winners
> and losers in this scenario, a big winner would be the Giro, the
> sport's biggest and most important event. The one all the top
> riders would never miss.
>

dumbass,

the tour is the tour and the giro will never come close to the level
of exposure.

the tour has already had numerous scandals, the biggest was floyd
landis, but the rasmussen thing happened the year after and neither of
those had any impact on the stature of the event.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 12:15 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Fred wrote:
> He's not going to set foot in France.

Sure he will.

> Especially with allegations that he was
> involved in organized doping on French soil as both a rider and team owner.

Those allegations never kept him away before. There's no reason to
believe they will now.

> They are champing at the bit to get him into an interrogation room.

Who is "they"? What's their motive? If Lafferty were a French cop in a
position of authority, this would make perfect sense. But he's not, so
it's unclear who you are casting in that role.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 12:22 pm
From: Betty Munro


K. Fred Gauss wrote:
> If Lafferty were a French cop in a position of authority, this would make perfect sense.

The return of the Pink Panther.

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TOPIC: Dauphine & Chris Horner
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3b102ea7bf8fe426?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 11:04 am
From: S Perryman


K. Fred Gauss wrote:

> S Perryman wrote:

> I think you may have stumbled upon the real reason Lance isn't there.

1. Contador has just won the prologue.
2. Armstrong is allegedly riding the Tour de Suisse.


On #1, bloody hell.

On #2, the Dauphine course appears to be very much akin to the TdF
than can be said for the TdS. Riders in the former are likely to get a
much better mountains work-out than in the latter.


Anyone know if Vino is going to be admitted to ride the TdF ??
Based on the form to date, that is going to be a nasty pairing that
Astana will have.


Regards,
Steven Perryman

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TOPIC: SU13
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/82db1bd30fac913b?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 11:19 am
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jun 5, 6:06 pm, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-b2uZccQIQ
>
> -rj

dumbass,

i would love it if matt decanio trained all winter on a blacked out
beater bike and went to redlands and beat a bunch of pros, but that
will never happen let alone decanio riding at the europro level.

he has the talent but he is either manic depressive or just
emotionally immature to deal with all the little setbacks that any
bike racer has to deal with.

many of his ex-prime alliance teammates are still racing with some
success, danny pate, mike creed, svein tuft.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 12:52 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Jun 6, 1:19 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 5, 6:06 pm, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-b2uZccQIQ
>
> > -rj
>
> dumbass,
>
> i would love it if matt decanio trained all winter on a blacked out
> beater bike and went to redlands and beat a bunch of pros, but that
> will never happen let alone decanio riding at the europro level.
>

Agreed.

I find myself wondering how the guy even makes enough money to eat.
Does anyone know?

-rj


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TOPIC: Where in the world is Allen Lim?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ac068e67bc767ab3?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 11:56 am
From: "Fred"

Allen Lim's Twitter account has been silent since Floyd started spouting off.
Do you know where Allen Lim is?


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 12:01 pm
From: DA74


On Jun 6, 11:56 am, "Fred" <f...@n0where.spam> wrote:
> Allen Lim's Twitter account has been silent since Floyd started spouting off.
> Do you know where Allen Lim is?

Fredster,
Don't hold your breath. But you may want to check with Coggan on this
one.
-DA74


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 12:24 pm
From: Betty Munro


Fred wrote:
> Allen Lim's Twitter account has been silent since Floyd started spouting off.
> Do you know where Allen Lim is?

<http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i_Qr5jcsuFj9rPiNuDwHVFQLDf9wD9G431VO0>

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TOPIC: Some initial impressions of the Phillie race
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c147179a3628a612?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 12:46 pm
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org


1. John Eustace is the most annoying announcer allowed to broadcast at
major and semi-major events.
2. John Eustace is far more interested in what he wants to say than
what is actually happening in the race, often talking right through
the few actual happenings on the road.
3. Steve and Todd or Phil and Paul sound absolutely professional
compared to this team - Todd was the lone worthwhile voice in the wall
of sound that accompanied the race. The only thing to really break
through were the two times the sirens went off.
4. The Footon-Servetto kit is a crime against both nature and mankind.
It makes ugly an absolute goal and exceeds the target.

I stayed around, but missed whether or not the guy in front most of
the last third of the race finished and took the King of the Wall. I
assume he did, but...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...


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