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Shimomura Y, Wajid M, Ishii Y, Shapiro L, Petukhova L, Gordon D,
Christiano AM. Disruption of P2RY5, an orphan G protein-coupled
receptor, underlies autosomal recessive woolly hair. Nat Genet. 2008
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 2:17 pm
From: Michael Press


In article <7rOdnc9u6KoIYJLRnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote:

> If the Feds dig up more
> witnesses and corroborating evidence, the effects of trashing Novitsky
> will diminish proportionally. The issue here is getting to the truth or
> falsity of Landis' claims, no more, no less.

Who are the Feds? Time to name names.

--
Michael Press


== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 3:24 pm
From: rickhopkins


On Jun 10, 1:33 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/10/2010 4:20 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
>
> > On Jun 10, 5:54 am, Fred<fred.gar...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> >> On Jun 9, 5:42 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> On 6/9/2010 7:36 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>
> >>>> On Jun 9, 11:40 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>    wrote:
> >>>>> On 6/9/2010 2:15 PM, F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> >>>>>> "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>    wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:-PydndJBLcpTH5PRnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> >>>>>>>> Dumbass -
>
> >>>>>>>> She has a maternal interest in protecting their interests.
>
> >>>>>>>> Duh.
>
> >>>>>>>> thanks,
>
> >>>>>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
> >>>>>>> Armstrong has an obligation to support his children according to the
> >>>>>>> terms of his agreement.
>
> >>>>>> Dumbass -
>
> >>>>>> Her kids are his HEIRS.
>
> >>>>>> Heir. As in "inherit the fortune" heir. Capiche?
>
> >>>>>> thanks,
>
> >>>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> >>>>> I understand that and your comment is virtually nonsensical in this
> >>>>> situation.  With few exceptions, Louisiana succession law, IIRC, any
> >>>>> parent can disinherit a child. If Armstrong chose to disinherit his kids
> >>>>> by Kristin because Kristin gave testimony against him under subpoena or
> >>>>> as part of her own plea deal, I would simply think less of him than I
> >>>>> already do.
>
> >>>> Oh come on.  Nobody suggested that.
>
> >>>> Kurgan's point is that the LANCE's ex-wife has a stake
> >>>> in the LANCE's continued fame, success, and prestige,
> >>>> above and beyond his child support obligations.  If the
> >>>> LANCE winds up discredited, drunk in a ditch, and with
> >>>> no extra cash beyond the child support obligations, it's
> >>>> not something his ex would want to see (Even aside from the
> >>>> fact that they don't appear to demonstrate any public
> >>>> acrimony - and we have no insight into what they think
> >>>> privately.)  This point is not that hard to see, so I am
> >>>> wondering if you are being deliberately dense, or
> >>>> if your parsing module needs to be rebooted.
>
> >>>> Fredmaster Ben
>
> >>> Armstrong has enough socked away in investments that he doesn't have to
> >>> worry financially even if he should go to prison.  And if he did go to
> >>> prison, he'd probably get out and pull a Martha Stewart.  So, Kurgan's
> >>> "point" is nonsensical.
>
> >> You don't see a value to protecting the image a child has of their
> >> father?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Gotta agree here. It's pretty clear that Lance's kids idolize their
> > famous father. Hard to imagine how Kristin would want to be the one
> > that would take that away from her kids, especially if it's testimony
> > as to what she and she alone saw or remembers.
>
> > If that's what Floyd, his lawyers, or Novitsky are banking on, they're
> > nuts.
>
> > Brad Anders
>
> We're a long way from watching the go to jail soap opera.  I suggest
> that if she does get called to testify, she will be one of several and
> she may have no choice.  Even if she does give damaging testimony,
> people with kids who idolize them go to prison every day.  Life can be
> tough on families a family member is caught and goes off to prison.
> But, that is not a valid reason to not pursue the matter if you're a
> prosecutor. The bottom line is don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

We are a very long way from there even being charges let alone court
testimony. If the investigation goes "geez Ms. Armstrong did you ever
see blood bags in your frig - No, when you were in the hospital room
did Lance claim he doped - No, but Ms. Andru said he did. I can't
speak for what she thinks she heard, just what I did, or and
apparently several other people including a highly respected Dr. heard
what i did. But don't they have a reason to protect Mr. Armstrong - I
cannot speak to that just what I heard. Did you ever see Mr Armstrong
shoot up or take illicit drugs - No. Wow, without anything to shake
her (Landis' claims will only make her laugh - if her attorney let's
her laugh), it may be a very short interview.

Unless the feds can build a credible case and I suspect they cannot,
she will chat with them 2 or 3 times and nothing will happen.

For those of you who do not follow, Barry Bonds has yet to go to court
and several legal experts on these matters that I have heard speak (I
live in San Jose and listen to the news radio a lot), a good many of
them believe Bonds has the edge against the feds (particularly on some
ruling last year that excluded some evidence - cannot remember what
that was all about, but they believed it greatly weakened the fed's
case) and will likely beat the charges. If they cannot convict Bonds
(who admits he took cream and clear but did not know what was in them
- right), don't hold your breath the feds are going to follow this
very far without some real honest to god evidence - not just he said
she said stuff but tangible stuff. Prosecutors hate to loose and will
not push cases even if they think a crime has occurred unless they
believe they can win.

Ms. Armstrong will continue to say she is not aware of any illegal
activity and so what are fed's to do.


== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 3:31 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jun 10, 1:33 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/10/2010 4:20 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 10, 5:54 am, Fred<fred.gar...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> >> On Jun 9, 5:42 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> On 6/9/2010 7:36 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>
> >>>> On Jun 9, 11:40 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>    wrote:
> >>>>> On 6/9/2010 2:15 PM, F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> >>>>>> "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>    wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:-PydndJBLcpTH5PRnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> >>>>>>>> Dumbass -
>
> >>>>>>>> She has a maternal interest in protecting their interests.
>
> >>>>>>>> Duh.
>
> >>>>>>>> thanks,
>
> >>>>>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
> >>>>>>> Armstrong has an obligation to support his children according to the
> >>>>>>> terms of his agreement.
>
> >>>>>> Dumbass -
>
> >>>>>> Her kids are his HEIRS.
>
> >>>>>> Heir. As in "inherit the fortune" heir. Capiche?
>
> >>>>>> thanks,
>
> >>>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> >>>>> I understand that and your comment is virtually nonsensical in this
> >>>>> situation.  With few exceptions, Louisiana succession law, IIRC, any
> >>>>> parent can disinherit a child. If Armstrong chose to disinherit his kids
> >>>>> by Kristin because Kristin gave testimony against him under subpoena or
> >>>>> as part of her own plea deal, I would simply think less of him than I
> >>>>> already do.
>
> >>>> Oh come on.  Nobody suggested that.
>
> >>>> Kurgan's point is that the LANCE's ex-wife has a stake
> >>>> in the LANCE's continued fame, success, and prestige,
> >>>> above and beyond his child support obligations.  If the
> >>>> LANCE winds up discredited, drunk in a ditch, and with
> >>>> no extra cash beyond the child support obligations, it's
> >>>> not something his ex would want to see (Even aside from the
> >>>> fact that they don't appear to demonstrate any public
> >>>> acrimony - and we have no insight into what they think
> >>>> privately.)  This point is not that hard to see, so I am
> >>>> wondering if you are being deliberately dense, or
> >>>> if your parsing module needs to be rebooted.
>
> >>>> Fredmaster Ben
>
> >>> Armstrong has enough socked away in investments that he doesn't have to
> >>> worry financially even if he should go to prison.  And if he did go to
> >>> prison, he'd probably get out and pull a Martha Stewart.  So, Kurgan's
> >>> "point" is nonsensical.
>
> >> You don't see a value to protecting the image a child has of their
> >> father?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Gotta agree here. It's pretty clear that Lance's kids idolize their
> > famous father. Hard to imagine how Kristin would want to be the one
> > that would take that away from her kids, especially if it's testimony
> > as to what she and she alone saw or remembers.
>
> > If that's what Floyd, his lawyers, or Novitsky are banking on, they're
> > nuts.
>
> > Brad Anders
>
> We're a long way from watching the go to jail soap opera.  I suggest
> that if she does get called to testify, she will be one of several and
> she may have no choice.  Even if she does give damaging testimony,
> people with kids who idolize them go to prison every day.  Life can be
> tough on families a family member is caught and goes off to prison.
> But, that is not a valid reason to not pursue the matter if you're a
> prosecutor. The bottom line is don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Why are you even still talking about this?

There is no evidence to suggest that LANCE's ex has
anything interesting to say about LANCE's dirty dog
drug-dealing ways, much less about bicycle racing, which
this newsgroup is sort of about. Maybe she does, but
that is for her, the investigators, and the lawyers to
determine.

The only reason this came up is because you have
a deep-seated desire to see the LANCE brought low,
and the prospect of his ex being questioned is awkward
and therefore you like talking about it. Also your
animosity toward the LANCE blinds you to the idea
that others may think about it differently, and so
his ex, even though she split from him, may not be
hostile to him and so she may not go out of her way to
be useful to the investigators.

It's not really that interesting or relevant, but it's all
about you in the end, and I guess that makes it
on-topic for RBR.

Fredpsychiatrist Ben


== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 3:41 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/10/2010 6:24 PM, rickhopkins wrote:
> On Jun 10, 1:33 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 6/10/2010 4:20 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 10, 5:54 am, Fred<fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jun 9, 5:42 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On 6/9/2010 7:36 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Jun 9, 11:40 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/9/2010 2:15 PM, F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:-PydndJBLcpTH5PRnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>>>>>>>>> She has a maternal interest in protecting their interests.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Duh.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>>>>>>>>> Armstrong has an obligation to support his children according to the
>>>>>>>>> terms of his agreement.
>>
>>>>>>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>>>>>>> Her kids are his HEIRS.
>>
>>>>>>>> Heir. As in "inherit the fortune" heir. Capiche?
>>
>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>
>>>>>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>>
>>>>>>> I understand that and your comment is virtually nonsensical in this
>>>>>>> situation. With few exceptions, Louisiana succession law, IIRC, any
>>>>>>> parent can disinherit a child. If Armstrong chose to disinherit his kids
>>>>>>> by Kristin because Kristin gave testimony against him under subpoena or
>>>>>>> as part of her own plea deal, I would simply think less of him than I
>>>>>>> already do.
>>
>>>>>> Oh come on. Nobody suggested that.
>>
>>>>>> Kurgan's point is that the LANCE's ex-wife has a stake
>>>>>> in the LANCE's continued fame, success, and prestige,
>>>>>> above and beyond his child support obligations. If the
>>>>>> LANCE winds up discredited, drunk in a ditch, and with
>>>>>> no extra cash beyond the child support obligations, it's
>>>>>> not something his ex would want to see (Even aside from the
>>>>>> fact that they don't appear to demonstrate any public
>>>>>> acrimony - and we have no insight into what they think
>>>>>> privately.) This point is not that hard to see, so I am
>>>>>> wondering if you are being deliberately dense, or
>>>>>> if your parsing module needs to be rebooted.
>>
>>>>>> Fredmaster Ben
>>
>>>>> Armstrong has enough socked away in investments that he doesn't have to
>>>>> worry financially even if he should go to prison. And if he did go to
>>>>> prison, he'd probably get out and pull a Martha Stewart. So, Kurgan's
>>>>> "point" is nonsensical.
>>
>>>> You don't see a value to protecting the image a child has of their
>>>> father?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> Gotta agree here. It's pretty clear that Lance's kids idolize their
>>> famous father. Hard to imagine how Kristin would want to be the one
>>> that would take that away from her kids, especially if it's testimony
>>> as to what she and she alone saw or remembers.
>>
>>> If that's what Floyd, his lawyers, or Novitsky are banking on, they're
>>> nuts.
>>
>>> Brad Anders
>>
>> We're a long way from watching the go to jail soap opera. I suggest
>> that if she does get called to testify, she will be one of several and
>> she may have no choice. Even if she does give damaging testimony,
>> people with kids who idolize them go to prison every day. Life can be
>> tough on families a family member is caught and goes off to prison.
>> But, that is not a valid reason to not pursue the matter if you're a
>> prosecutor. The bottom line is don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
>
> We are a very long way from there even being charges let alone court
> testimony. If the investigation goes "geez Ms. Armstrong did you ever
> see blood bags in your frig - No, when you were in the hospital room
> did Lance claim he doped - No, but Ms. Andru said he did. I can't
> speak for what she thinks she heard, just what I did, or and
> apparently several other people including a highly respected Dr. heard
> what i did. But don't they have a reason to protect Mr. Armstrong - I
> cannot speak to that just what I heard. Did you ever see Mr Armstrong
> shoot up or take illicit drugs - No. Wow, without anything to shake
> her (Landis' claims will only make her laugh - if her attorney let's
> her laugh), it may be a very short interview.
>
> Unless the feds can build a credible case and I suspect they cannot,
> she will chat with them 2 or 3 times and nothing will happen.


What is interesting is how quickly the Lemond vs. Trek case settled when
a) the judge refused to dismiss Lemond's claims and ordered the case to
go to trial and b) Kristin Armstrong was subpoenaed to testify at the
trial. Cause and effect? I don't know, but it would not be surprising.

BTW, IIRC, Kristin was not involved with Armstrong at the time of the
admissions that the Andreaus testified to.

[snip]
>
> Ms. Armstrong will continue to say she is not aware of any illegal
> activity and so what are fed's to do.
Maybe.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 3:43 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/10/2010 6:31 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Jun 10, 1:33 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 6/10/2010 4:20 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 10, 5:54 am, Fred<fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jun 9, 5:42 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On 6/9/2010 7:36 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Jun 9, 11:40 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/9/2010 2:15 PM, F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:-PydndJBLcpTH5PRnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>>>>>>>>> She has a maternal interest in protecting their interests.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Duh.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>>>>>>>>> Armstrong has an obligation to support his children according to the
>>>>>>>>> terms of his agreement.
>>
>>>>>>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>>>>>>> Her kids are his HEIRS.
>>
>>>>>>>> Heir. As in "inherit the fortune" heir. Capiche?
>>
>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>
>>>>>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>>
>>>>>>> I understand that and your comment is virtually nonsensical in this
>>>>>>> situation. With few exceptions, Louisiana succession law, IIRC, any
>>>>>>> parent can disinherit a child. If Armstrong chose to disinherit his kids
>>>>>>> by Kristin because Kristin gave testimony against him under subpoena or
>>>>>>> as part of her own plea deal, I would simply think less of him than I
>>>>>>> already do.
>>
>>>>>> Oh come on. Nobody suggested that.
>>
>>>>>> Kurgan's point is that the LANCE's ex-wife has a stake
>>>>>> in the LANCE's continued fame, success, and prestige,
>>>>>> above and beyond his child support obligations. If the
>>>>>> LANCE winds up discredited, drunk in a ditch, and with
>>>>>> no extra cash beyond the child support obligations, it's
>>>>>> not something his ex would want to see (Even aside from the
>>>>>> fact that they don't appear to demonstrate any public
>>>>>> acrimony - and we have no insight into what they think
>>>>>> privately.) This point is not that hard to see, so I am
>>>>>> wondering if you are being deliberately dense, or
>>>>>> if your parsing module needs to be rebooted.
>>
>>>>>> Fredmaster Ben
>>
>>>>> Armstrong has enough socked away in investments that he doesn't have to
>>>>> worry financially even if he should go to prison. And if he did go to
>>>>> prison, he'd probably get out and pull a Martha Stewart. So, Kurgan's
>>>>> "point" is nonsensical.
>>
>>>> You don't see a value to protecting the image a child has of their
>>>> father?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> Gotta agree here. It's pretty clear that Lance's kids idolize their
>>> famous father. Hard to imagine how Kristin would want to be the one
>>> that would take that away from her kids, especially if it's testimony
>>> as to what she and she alone saw or remembers.
>>
>>> If that's what Floyd, his lawyers, or Novitsky are banking on, they're
>>> nuts.
>>
>>> Brad Anders
>>
>> We're a long way from watching the go to jail soap opera. I suggest
>> that if she does get called to testify, she will be one of several and
>> she may have no choice. Even if she does give damaging testimony,
>> people with kids who idolize them go to prison every day. Life can be
>> tough on families a family member is caught and goes off to prison.
>> But, that is not a valid reason to not pursue the matter if you're a
>> prosecutor. The bottom line is don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
>
> Why are you even still talking about this?
>
> There is no evidence to suggest that LANCE's ex has
> anything interesting to say about LANCE's dirty dog
> drug-dealing ways, much less about bicycle racing, which
> this newsgroup is sort of about. Maybe she does, but
> that is for her, the investigators, and the lawyers to
> determine.
>
> The only reason this came up is because you have
> a deep-seated desire to see the LANCE brought low,
> and the prospect of his ex being questioned is awkward
> and therefore you like talking about it. Also your
> animosity toward the LANCE blinds you to the idea
> that others may think about it differently, and so
> his ex, even though she split from him, may not be
> hostile to him and so she may not go out of her way to
> be useful to the investigators.
>
> It's not really that interesting or relevant, but it's all
> about you in the end, and I guess that makes it
> on-topic for RBR.
>
> Fredpsychiatrist Ben
>
>
Wrong. This came up because the press reported that Kristin Armstrong
was speaking with federal investigators.


== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 3:53 pm
From: "H. Fred Kveck"


In article <1b12716b-ead7-40bf-a45c-03e8738cce4e@z13g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjweiner@gmail.com> wrote:


> Fredpsychiatrist Ben

Make that Freudmaster Ben...


== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 3:59 pm
From: rickhopkins


On Jun 10, 3:41 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/10/2010 6:24 PM, rickhopkins wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 10, 1:33 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> >> On 6/10/2010 4:20 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
>
> >>> On Jun 10, 5:54 am, Fred<fred.gar...@yahoo.com>    wrote:
> >>>> On Jun 9, 5:42 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>    wrote:
>
> >>>>> On 6/9/2010 7:36 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Jun 9, 11:40 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>      wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 6/9/2010 2:15 PM, F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>      wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>news:-PydndJBLcpTH5PRnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Dumbass -
>
> >>>>>>>>>> She has a maternal interest in protecting their interests.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Duh.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
> >>>>>>>>> Armstrong has an obligation to support his children according to the
> >>>>>>>>> terms of his agreement.
>
> >>>>>>>> Dumbass -
>
> >>>>>>>> Her kids are his HEIRS.
>
> >>>>>>>> Heir. As in "inherit the fortune" heir. Capiche?
>
> >>>>>>>> thanks,
>
> >>>>>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> >>>>>>> I understand that and your comment is virtually nonsensical in this
> >>>>>>> situation.  With few exceptions, Louisiana succession law, IIRC, any
> >>>>>>> parent can disinherit a child. If Armstrong chose to disinherit his kids
> >>>>>>> by Kristin because Kristin gave testimony against him under subpoena or
> >>>>>>> as part of her own plea deal, I would simply think less of him than I
> >>>>>>> already do.
>
> >>>>>> Oh come on.  Nobody suggested that.
>
> >>>>>> Kurgan's point is that the LANCE's ex-wife has a stake
> >>>>>> in the LANCE's continued fame, success, and prestige,
> >>>>>> above and beyond his child support obligations.  If the
> >>>>>> LANCE winds up discredited, drunk in a ditch, and with
> >>>>>> no extra cash beyond the child support obligations, it's
> >>>>>> not something his ex would want to see (Even aside from the
> >>>>>> fact that they don't appear to demonstrate any public
> >>>>>> acrimony - and we have no insight into what they think
> >>>>>> privately.)  This point is not that hard to see, so I am
> >>>>>> wondering if you are being deliberately dense, or
> >>>>>> if your parsing module needs to be rebooted.
>
> >>>>>> Fredmaster Ben
>
> >>>>> Armstrong has enough socked away in investments that he doesn't have to
> >>>>> worry financially even if he should go to prison.  And if he did go to
> >>>>> prison, he'd probably get out and pull a Martha Stewart.  So, Kurgan's
> >>>>> "point" is nonsensical.
>
> >>>> You don't see a value to protecting the image a child has of their
> >>>> father?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>> Gotta agree here. It's pretty clear that Lance's kids idolize their
> >>> famous father. Hard to imagine how Kristin would want to be the one
> >>> that would take that away from her kids, especially if it's testimony
> >>> as to what she and she alone saw or remembers.
>
> >>> If that's what Floyd, his lawyers, or Novitsky are banking on, they're
> >>> nuts.
>
> >>> Brad Anders
>
> >> We're a long way from watching the go to jail soap opera.  I suggest
> >> that if she does get called to testify, she will be one of several and
> >> she may have no choice.  Even if she does give damaging testimony,
> >> people with kids who idolize them go to prison every day.  Life can be
> >> tough on families a family member is caught and goes off to prison.
> >> But, that is not a valid reason to not pursue the matter if you're a
> >> prosecutor. The bottom line is don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
>
> > We are a very long way from there even being charges let alone court
> > testimony.  If the investigation goes "geez Ms. Armstrong did you ever
> > see blood bags in your frig - No, when you were in the hospital room
> > did Lance claim he doped - No, but Ms. Andru said he did.  I can't
> > speak for what she thinks she heard, just what I did, or and
> > apparently several other people including a highly respected Dr. heard
> > what i did.  But don't they have a reason to protect Mr. Armstrong - I
> > cannot speak to that just what I heard.  Did you ever see Mr Armstrong
> > shoot up or take illicit drugs - No.  Wow, without anything to shake
> > her (Landis' claims will only make her laugh - if her attorney let's
> > her laugh), it may be a very short interview.
>
> > Unless the feds can build a credible case and I suspect they cannot,
> > she will chat with them 2 or 3 times and nothing will happen.
>
> What is interesting is how quickly the Lemond vs. Trek case settled when
> a) the judge refused to dismiss Lemond's claims and ordered the case to
> go to trial and b) Kristin Armstrong was subpoenaed to testify at the
> trial. Cause and effect?  I don't know, but it would not be surprising.
>
> BTW, IIRC, Kristin was not involved with Armstrong at the time of the
> admissions that the Andreaus testified to.
>
> [snip]
>
> > Ms. Armstrong will continue to say she is not aware of any illegal
> > activity and so what are fed's to do.
>
> Maybe.

The cause and effect could be at many layers. Even if she could not
testify to any doping issues as she may not have witnessed or be aware
of any, it probably was worthwhile for Lance to not extend this unless
the benefit greatly outweighed her being drug into to court. So I
suspect it was a cause and effect, but the motives could have been one
of not introducing her to stress unnecessarily (they apparently are
still on friendly terms from what I understand) and nothing to do of
any damaging testimony she might have given - it is also possible, but
less likely Lance was concerned.


== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 4:03 pm
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org


On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:53:41 -0700, "H. Fred Kveck"
<YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

>In article <1b12716b-ead7-40bf-a45c-03e8738cce4e@z13g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjweiner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Fredpsychiatrist Ben
>
> Make that Freudmaster Ben...

Freudmastur Ben...


== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 4:15 pm
From: "Mark J."


Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> There is no evidence to suggest that LANCE's ex has
> anything interesting to say about LANCE's dirty dog
> drug-dealing ways, much less about bicycle racing, which
> this newsgroup is sort of about. [...]

You mean this isn't rec.bicycles.dope er, uh .dopes?
But I was sure that I read here someplace ...

Mark J.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 4:33 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/10/2010 6:59 PM, rickhopkins wrote:
> On Jun 10, 3:41 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 6/10/2010 6:24 PM, rickhopkins wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 10, 1:33 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2010 4:20 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Jun 10, 5:54 am, Fred<fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 9, 5:42 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On 6/9/2010 7:36 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 11:40 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2010 2:15 PM, F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:-PydndJBLcpTH5PRnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> She has a maternal interest in protecting their interests.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Duh.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>>>>>>>>>>> Armstrong has an obligation to support his children according to the
>>>>>>>>>>> terms of his agreement.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Her kids are his HEIRS.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Heir. As in "inherit the fortune" heir. Capiche?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>>
>>>>>>>>> I understand that and your comment is virtually nonsensical in this
>>>>>>>>> situation. With few exceptions, Louisiana succession law, IIRC, any
>>>>>>>>> parent can disinherit a child. If Armstrong chose to disinherit his kids
>>>>>>>>> by Kristin because Kristin gave testimony against him under subpoena or
>>>>>>>>> as part of her own plea deal, I would simply think less of him than I
>>>>>>>>> already do.
>>
>>>>>>>> Oh come on. Nobody suggested that.
>>
>>>>>>>> Kurgan's point is that the LANCE's ex-wife has a stake
>>>>>>>> in the LANCE's continued fame, success, and prestige,
>>>>>>>> above and beyond his child support obligations. If the
>>>>>>>> LANCE winds up discredited, drunk in a ditch, and with
>>>>>>>> no extra cash beyond the child support obligations, it's
>>>>>>>> not something his ex would want to see (Even aside from the
>>>>>>>> fact that they don't appear to demonstrate any public
>>>>>>>> acrimony - and we have no insight into what they think
>>>>>>>> privately.) This point is not that hard to see, so I am
>>>>>>>> wondering if you are being deliberately dense, or
>>>>>>>> if your parsing module needs to be rebooted.
>>
>>>>>>>> Fredmaster Ben
>>
>>>>>>> Armstrong has enough socked away in investments that he doesn't have to
>>>>>>> worry financially even if he should go to prison. And if he did go to
>>>>>>> prison, he'd probably get out and pull a Martha Stewart. So, Kurgan's
>>>>>>> "point" is nonsensical.
>>
>>>>>> You don't see a value to protecting the image a child has of their
>>>>>> father?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>> Gotta agree here. It's pretty clear that Lance's kids idolize their
>>>>> famous father. Hard to imagine how Kristin would want to be the one
>>>>> that would take that away from her kids, especially if it's testimony
>>>>> as to what she and she alone saw or remembers.
>>
>>>>> If that's what Floyd, his lawyers, or Novitsky are banking on, they're
>>>>> nuts.
>>
>>>>> Brad Anders
>>
>>>> We're a long way from watching the go to jail soap opera. I suggest
>>>> that if she does get called to testify, she will be one of several and
>>>> she may have no choice. Even if she does give damaging testimony,
>>>> people with kids who idolize them go to prison every day. Life can be
>>>> tough on families a family member is caught and goes off to prison.
>>>> But, that is not a valid reason to not pursue the matter if you're a
>>>> prosecutor. The bottom line is don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
>>
>>> We are a very long way from there even being charges let alone court
>>> testimony. If the investigation goes "geez Ms. Armstrong did you ever
>>> see blood bags in your frig - No, when you were in the hospital room
>>> did Lance claim he doped - No, but Ms. Andru said he did. I can't
>>> speak for what she thinks she heard, just what I did, or and
>>> apparently several other people including a highly respected Dr. heard
>>> what i did. But don't they have a reason to protect Mr. Armstrong - I
>>> cannot speak to that just what I heard. Did you ever see Mr Armstrong
>>> shoot up or take illicit drugs - No. Wow, without anything to shake
>>> her (Landis' claims will only make her laugh - if her attorney let's
>>> her laugh), it may be a very short interview.
>>
>>> Unless the feds can build a credible case and I suspect they cannot,
>>> she will chat with them 2 or 3 times and nothing will happen.
>>
>> What is interesting is how quickly the Lemond vs. Trek case settled when
>> a) the judge refused to dismiss Lemond's claims and ordered the case to
>> go to trial and b) Kristin Armstrong was subpoenaed to testify at the
>> trial. Cause and effect? I don't know, but it would not be surprising.
>>
>> BTW, IIRC, Kristin was not involved with Armstrong at the time of the
>> admissions that the Andreaus testified to.
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Ms. Armstrong will continue to say she is not aware of any illegal
>>> activity and so what are fed's to do.
>>
>> Maybe.
>
> The cause and effect could be at many layers. Even if she could not
> testify to any doping issues as she may not have witnessed or be aware
> of any, it probably was worthwhile for Lance to not extend this unless
> the benefit greatly outweighed her being drug into to court. So I
> suspect it was a cause and effect, but the motives could have been one
> of not introducing her to stress unnecessarily (they apparently are
> still on friendly terms from what I understand) and nothing to do of
> any damaging testimony she might have given - it is also possible, but
> less likely Lance was concerned.
I agree.

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TOPIC: Forget Cytomax
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e84a36e9f3060f35?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 2:55 pm
From: Michael Press


In article <fgm6e7-ss8.ln1@donald.homeip.net>,
Betty <none@mailinator.com> wrote:

> Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> > pickle juice is the answer. link found in rbt:
> >
> > http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/09/phys-ed-can-pickle-juice-stop-muscle-cramps/
> >
> > I get cramps sometimes while pedaling hard
> > (climbing mostly) if I have reached too deep into
> > my suitcase of courage, or am just out of shape.
> > I'm sympathetic to the article's point that it isn't
> > really dehydration, it's from working too hard.
> > Gonna have to get a special pickle-juice bidon.
> >
> > (Kind of reminds me of the story about Bartali seeing
> > Coppi drink a special bottle and toss it away, and
> > sneaking back to find it and have the contents tested.
> > It turned out to be just mineral water - but maybe it
> > was really pickle juice?)
>
> Apparently the LIVEDRUNK(tm) solution is gin and quinine enhanced tonic.

A bit of citrus and sugar help.

<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B001XUIGG6/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=16310101&s=grocery>

--
Michael Press

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TOPIC: Completely off-topic, so don't read this
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 3:49 pm
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org


Justified is the best series on television in a long time and the last
show was a lesson in how to conduct community and family relations.
You have to appreciate a work ethic that says if shooting a person
once at very close range is a good thing, you may as well do it twice
more and be sure. I'm sure there are lessons for the LA situation
somewhere in there, but who cares?

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 5:03 pm
From: "Steve Freides"


curtis@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> Justified is the best series on television in a long time and the last
> show was a lesson in how to conduct community and family relations.
> You have to appreciate a work ethic that says if shooting a person
> once at very close range is a good thing, you may as well do it twice
> more and be sure. I'm sure there are lessons for the LA situation
> somewhere in there, but who cares?
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...

Please, pretty please, can I read it?

-S-


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 6:14 pm
From: curtis@the-md-russells.org


On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:03:18 -0400, "Steve Freides" <steve@kbnj.com>
wrote:

>curtis@the-md-russells.org wrote:
>> Justified is the best series on television in a long time and the last
>> show was a lesson in how to conduct community and family relations.
>> You have to appreciate a work ethic that says if shooting a person
>> once at very close range is a good thing, you may as well do it twice
>> more and be sure. I'm sure there are lessons for the LA situation
>> somewhere in there, but who cares?
>>
>> Curtis L. Russell
>> Odenton, MD (USA)
>> Just someone on two wheels...
>
>Please, pretty please, can I read it?
>
>-S-
>
Well, no, not really. Or at least, don't let it happen again...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 6:30 pm
From: NoDannyNo


On Jun 10, 6:49 pm, cur...@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> Justified is the best series on television in a long time and the last
> show was a lesson in how to conduct community and family relations.
> You have to appreciate a work ethic that says if shooting a person
> once at very close range is a good thing, you may as well do it twice
> more and be sure. I'm sure there are lessons for the LA situation
> somewhere in there, but who cares?
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...

Justified = Good TeeVee. But I wish they didn't kill off the M.C.
Gainey character.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 6:55 pm
From: Dear Crabby


On 6/10/10 3:49 PM, in article upq216p2ohpf0gdpkh0ketod2fbpmmvjec@4ax.com,
"curtis@the-md-russells.org" <curtis@the-md-russells.org> wrote:

> Justified is the best series on television in a long time and the last
> show was a lesson in how to conduct community and family relations.
> You have to appreciate a work ethic that says if shooting a person
> once at very close range is a good thing, you may as well do it twice
> more and be sure. I'm sure there are lessons for the LA situation
> somewhere in there, but who cares?
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...


I would rather watch some dumbass get his track bike repossessed on
Operation Repo. (Encino)


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TOPIC: Video: Ullrich training for big TdF comeback
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d6dd27b5f32dd3cb?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 4:34 pm
From: Jason Spaceman


He's working hard --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwII3BjBZB4

J. Spaceman

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 6:19 pm
From: NoDannyNo


On Jun 10, 7:34 pm, Jason Spaceman <notrea...@jspaceman.homelinux.org>
wrote:
> He's working hard -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwII3BjBZB4
>
> J. Spaceman

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Datz a gewd wun

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TOPIC: Simple hack to get $1000 to your home.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 6:49 pm
From: Dear Crabby


On 6/8/10 8:51 PM, in article
0b90dc00-6637-4cfc-8d51-878a25b7d4c9@t34g2000prd.googlegroups.com, "soumya"
<texaspeso06@gmail.com> wrote:

> Simple hack to get $1000 to your home at http://dailyupdatesonly.tk
>
> Due to high security risks,i have hidden the cheque link in an
> image. in that website on left side below search box, click on image
> and enter your name and address where you want to receive your
> cheque.please dont tell to anyone.


You are an idiot...........

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 7:11 pm
From: "z, fred"


Dear Crabby wrote:
> On 6/8/10 8:51 PM, in article
> 0b90dc00-6637-4cfc-8d51-878a25b7d4c9@t34g2000prd.googlegroups.com, "soumya"
> <texaspeso06@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Simple hack to get $1000 to your home at http://dailyupdatesonly.tk
>>
>> Due to high security risks,i have hidden the cheque link in an
>> image. in that website on left side below search box, click on image
>> and enter your name and address where you want to receive your
>> cheque.please dont tell to anyone.
>
>
> You are an idiot...........
>

I had mine sent to

Ch. de la Mêlée 12

1860 Aigle

Switzerland

If LANCE can do it, I can too!


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 8:09 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


z, fred wrote:
> Dear Crabby wrote:
>> On 6/8/10 8:51 PM, in article
>> 0b90dc00-6637-4cfc-8d51-878a25b7d4c9@t34g2000prd.googlegroups.com,
>> "soumya"
>> <texaspeso06@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Simple hack to get $1000 to your home at http://dailyupdatesonly.tk
>>>
>>> Due to high security risks,i have hidden the cheque link in an
>>> image. in that website on left side below search box, click on image
>>> and enter your name and address where you want to receive your
>>> cheque.please dont tell to anyone.
>>
>>
>> You are an idiot...........
>>
>
> I had mine sent to
>
> Ch. de la Mêlée 12
>
> 1860 Aigle
>
> Switzerland
>
>
>
> If LANCE can do it, I can too!

I just did my part for the "Floyd Fuck'em Fund"!

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TOPIC: HOT FOR TENAGE GUYS
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/41acc20a963d0631?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 7:47 pm
From: SRI DEVI


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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 7:48 pm
From: SRI DEVI


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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 9:16 pm
From: shiv shankar


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TOPIC: who is avoiding who
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/01651181c3307ef5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 9:10 pm
From: Fred


On Jun 7, 7:47 pm, "z, fred" <N...@not.ca> wrote:
> Fred wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 12:24 pm, S Perryman <a...@a.net> wrote:
>
> >> Contador is the best stage race rider in the peloton at the moment.
> >> Possibly the best of his generation / one of the greatest of all (time
> >> will tell) .
>
> >> Regards,
> >> Steven Perryman
>
> > Resort to hyperbole much??
>
> > While Contador has shown great promise and great results (so far) he
> > has a very long way to go (at least 6 more consecutive victories at
> > the TdF, for example) to even begin to approach greatest of all time
> > status.
>
> > Fred
>
> Dumbass,
>
> ONE OF THE greatest of all time does not equal greatest of all time.

You're pretty smart. Of course, I didn't say that it did.

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TOPIC: Federal Prosecutor Assigned to Floyd Case
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bbdb2f1f5fc448b2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 10 2010 9:14 pm
From: DA74


Things are heating up in a big way. The Justice Department assigned
Doug Miller to the case that has developed since Floyd made his
allegations. He will support Jeff Novitzky by obtaining search
warrants and securing cooperation agreements presumably to present to
a grand jury to bring indictments against cyclists and / or team
owners (i.e. Lance) involved in the doping underworld.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/06/09/2010-06-09_government_assigns_federal_prosecutor_doug_miller_to_cycling_case_sparked_by_flo.html

You're Welcome,
DA74


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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2822 Our HIMACHAL HIMALAYA LANDFORMS book is finally in my hands

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Social luminaries, colleagues  and friends and above all Lovers of the Himalayas especially of Himachal Pradesh,
 
 
Our Book cum Photo Atlas "GEOMORPHOLOGY AND LANDFORMS- Illustrations from the Himachal Himalaya" by Om N Bhargava, Sanjay Kumbkarni, A D Ahluwalia is in my hand finally.
 
The book is dedicated to INTERNATIONAL YEAR OF PLANET EARTH and all the lovers of Mother Earth and promoters of Earth Sciences across the world.
 
I'd like to give a simple lectures based on the book intelligible and enjoyable to any one of any background. If possible at this most nostalgic hour marking the release of my first ever book I'd like to talk to teachers in Academic Staff Colleges Refresher Courses in the country ( No honorarium please; meeting so many teachers itself is an honour). Through these young teachers I have been talking to academic institutions from GNDU to BHU and across the country.
 
Publisher is TECHNOLOGY PUBLICATION Dehradun (technologypublications@yahoo.co.in).
 
I want to show it to you all; all three co authors are  proud alumni of Panjab University  & Geological Survey of India. ONB & SK are very distinguished and renowned and I deem it a great honour  to be with them.
 
Veteran geologist ONB sir  (Mobile +91 9876696510;01722596510) now 72  has finished 51 years of active field work in Himalayas and is still active as a Consultant to ONGC every year in Spiti Field Training. He is my GURU for last 41 years and collaborator in the PURSE Project given by the Prime Minister of India to Panjab University.
 
This is the first book of its type on Himalayas (technical as well as a Coffee Table Book for naturalists, mountaineers, environmentalists and photographers and shall be an essential ingredient for geotourism.
 
Main pictures heading chapters are sprinkled with choicest Poetry of famous English Poetry though the first one is a joint one from ATHARVA VEDA (Pleasant be thy hills , O Earth..................... Earth is my mother, her son am I; and Parjanya, my father; may he fill us with plenty"  and Lord Alfred Tennyson ( There rolls the deep where grew the tree, O earth what changes had thou seen).
212 pages including around 100 valuable pictures shot over 42 years ( from 1962 to 2004) by the three of us  and loaned by a few friends in India and abroad.
 
Part 1 is 25 pages of GEOLOGICAL BACKGROUND and Part 2 GEOMORPHOLOGY AND LANDFORMS has Chapters a)Introduction, b) Glaciers, c) Rivers, d)Lakes,
e)Meteoric Agencies, f) Lthological and Structural controls on the Morphology and g) Geoenvironment and lastly Summary of the Geomorphologic Evolution.
 
Cover page shows the grandeur of the Himalaya depicted at the Pin Parbati Pass, at an altitude of 4850 m, the placid proglacial lake and wildflowers making an intoxicating sight viewed from the Parbati side.
 
Regards & best wishes

--
Arun D Ahluwalia, Ph.D. FGS,  (adahl@pu.ac.in) #1501,49B, PUSHPAC,Chandigarh;

PU Environment Outreach Incharge; Professor of Geology & Research Scientist PURSE Project & Ex-CHAIRMAN & HEAD,Geology Dept; Director, Centre of Advanced Studies in Geology; Co-ordinator SAP; Panjab University,Chandigarh,India;
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EMERITUS GEOLOGIST-ENVIRONMENTALIST, PLANET EARTH CENTRE, Govt Museum Natural History & B.S.M & Centre of Performing and Visual Arts, Chandigarh,India (http://www.environmentplanetearth.com/);


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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2820 Kashmir Valley’s Spiraling Drug Abuse

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Kashmir Valley's Spiraling Drug Abuse
http://www.countercurrents.org/boga100610.htm

By Dilnaz Boga
10 June, 2010
Countercurrents.org

The dizzying epidemic of drugs in the backdrop of militarization and
violence in Kashmir, reports Dilnaz Boga

Inam Rashid (name changed) was among the many unfortunate ones who was
picked up and interrogated by state agencies on the pretext of having
links with militancy. For five days he was put under extreme
interrogation and was subsequently released without being charged. The
mental scars of this ordeal refused to heal. As if this was not enough
this 35-year-old lost 12 members of his family to the massive
earthquake of 2005 in Uri. This was more than Rashid could bear. He
sought a grim refuge in multiple addictive substances "to erase the
memories of his extended sufferings". He turned to cannabis, nicotine,
opium, ethanol and benzodiazepine in search of relief.

Another addict explains the reason for drug abuse saying that he felt
no peace, only blood in the air. This resonates with a common
perception that the thousands who died violent deaths in Kashmir weigh
heavy in the air in Kashmir.

A young addict recalls the desperation of his friend, who during a
strike in the city, was forced to pay Rs 5,000 for three bottles of
Codeine. "He was in such a bad state. He needed it badly. So he
shelled out the money and bought the bottles on the black market."

A patient's mother who is waiting for the doctors to discharge her son
from a de-addiction center says, "Why is the drug problem of this
magnitude? Why are the authorities not doing anything about it?"

With hardly any mental healthcare facilities or de-addiction centres
in the Valley, Kashmiris have been left to fend for themselves in
their attempt to deal with the emotional scars which have resulted
from the brutal effects of a conflict raging for a little over two
decades now.

This 26th June, the Valley has little to show for, as the world
observes International Day against Drug Abuse and Illicit Trafficking.
Several studies carried out on addiction in the Valley reveal a strong
correlation between conflict and drug abuse. The studies show that in
Kashmir, drugs are not used for recreational purposes but as a coping
mechanism to deal with the stresses of conflict in the most
militarized region in the world.

The stark contrast

Apart from the immediate damage to drug abusers, the medium and long
term corrosion to the very fabric of the society by the use of
prescription drugs and banned narcotics has been well established in
many other places in the world.

Reliable statistics on addiction are notoriously difficult to come by
in Kashmir. According to a study conducted by the United Nations Drug
Control Programme in 2008, there are 60,000 substance abusers in the
Valley. Dr Mushtaq Margoob's book, Menace of Drug Abuse in Kashmir,
published in 2008, states that the Valley has 2.11 lakh drug abusers.
The difference in figures can be attributed either to the stigma
around addiction or other factors, for instance addicts themselves
tend to exaggerate, while their families try to downplay the problem.
Any figures therefore should not be treated as absolutely conclusive
but an approximation.

In a study done at the Government Psychiatric Diseases Hospital (GPDH)
in 2002, doctors compared drug trends from 1980-88 and 2002 in
patients – before the armed conflict erupted and after. The figures
not only show a shocking state of affairs, but also indicate how deep-
rooted the scourge of addiction is. An alarming increase of over sixty
percent was reported in the use of opioid-based preparations (9.5 per
cent to 73.61 per cent), and an over twenty five percent increase in
multiple substance-abuse (15.8 per cent to 41.6 per cent), from the
1980s to 2002.

In another study conducted by GPDH, with help from the Ministry of
Science and Technology in 2006, out of the 561 substance-use disorder
patients, it was discovered that 63.85 per cent of patients had either
experienced or witnessed multiple traumatic events, qualifying for the
diagnosis of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) compared to 36.14
per cent patients who had exposure to one traumatic event.

This startling connection establishes the link between violence, PTSD
and recourse to addiction, where PTSD is a primary disorder and
subsequent substances abuse is used to self medicate symptoms of the
disorder.

Currently, in Kashmir, 80 per cent drug-users comprise those who
consume prescription medicines. Easy availability of pharmaceuticals
across the counter has contributed to the enormity of the malady.
Drugs containing opioids, such as Corex and Codeine are consumed by
most addicts. Benzodiazepines like Diazepam, Alprazolam and cannabis
derivatives like hashish, marijuana and alcohol are also responsible
for the steady surge in addiction. For many school students including
girls, items of common use like polish and glue double up as
inhalants. The use of nicotine, Iodex, diluters, sleeping pills and
inhalants like boot polish, fevicol and ink-removers has been observed
in female addicts who might not have the means to obtain other not-so-
easily available substances.

Toothless law or complacent state?

In Kashmir the problem has metastasized for several reasons. To begin
with, the role of the drug monitoring agencies in controlling the
menace in the Valley is zero, emphasizes a doctor. In fact, the law
chooses to look the other way. Any person booked under the Narcotics
Drugs and Psychotropic Substances (NDPS) Act can be released on bail;
whereas, the act is non-bailable in any other state. The police are
not authorised to act against the chemists under the NDPS Act, for
misuse of prescription drugs.

It is difficult to break the nexus between the chemists, the peddlers
and the police, admits a high-ranking police official. As per his
estimation, Sopore and South Kashmir are the worst hit in the Valley.
"There is a problem of denial in Kashmir. As long as that persists, it
is impossible to resolve this problem." The official adds, a lack of
awareness compounds the problem. In rural Kashmir, families are
unaware if a drug is being abused in their midst. "The womenfolk don't
know that the man of the house is an addict. They think he's taking
medicines. In that case, how can they help him?" he asks.

He also feels the current laws are inadequate, "The laws that exist
are not implemented."

The past

A study titled, "Deviance among adolescents" conducted on 300 boys and
400 girls in 2005, reveals that youth are the most vulnerable to
drugs. College students in Srinagar and Kupwara, both male and female,
were observed using drugs and alcohol.

The objective of the study was to research deviant behaviour of
adolescent boys and girls under conditions of armed conflict. The
report states that a total of 20 per cent boys and 14 per cent girls
were involved in drug abuse, and 34 per cent cases were at the risk of
potential suicide. Interestingly, boys and girls from middle class
families constituted 70 per cent of drug-abusers.

"A big reason of students taking to drugs and alcoholism is poor
performance in academics, insecurities and peer pressure," said
Professor A G Madhosh, who was the lead researcher for the study. He
says, "By 2010, there has been a 15 per cent rise in addiction."

Operation Drug 'Em All?

The connection between the intensity of internal conflict and
prevalence of drug abuse is not incidental. The conflict in the North
East of India, especially Manipur, saw a marked decline and success in
containment by the state in the past decade or so. This was in great
measure due to several reasons – one of them being the easy
availability of drugs during this period and its direct link to
intravenous drug use and HIV, which swept through the entire
population like a raging wildfire, consuming an entire generation of
young people with it. Some 1,00,000 people live with HIV and AIDS in
the North East, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC)
states.

Kashmir too, is on its way if the situation remains unchecked.

Four studies have been commissioned by the Government of India,
undertaken by specialists here, titled "Women and children under armed
conflict". Professor Madhosh says the studies are complete but he is
unable to comment on them any further. But sources related to the
study revealed, "In highly militarised regions of North Kashmir such
as Kupwara, we found the highest concentration of addicts. It is an
alarming situation as there is free access to drugs and alcohol due to
army presence."

A doctor from Srinagar confirmed this connection after he came across
a patient who used to source his prescription drugs from an army camp.
Not only have the armed forces encouraged addiction openly, but in
instances they have also come down heavily on locals who have resisted
this.

A journalist remembers an incident in North Kashmir where after
several fruitless attempts to get the police to act upon a group of
addicts who would routinely gather at a bus terminal, some youth and
elders of the village joined hands to deal with the nuisance. Violence
ensued after the group of addicts refused to budge from the spot. The
following day, the same villagers were assaulted by personnel from a
local army camp, recalls the source. "The villagers were assaulted
brutally, and were categorically warned by the army to leave the
addicts alone." A police official agrees to the fact that the army was
involved and elaborates on how it all started and why. He recalls how
in the nineties, drugs were used by the security forces as a strategy
in seeking information on militants.

"In the 1990s, when militancy was at its peak, the security forces
used to exchange drugs for information provided by ex-militants. The
situation is different now – militancy is almost eliminated, but the
drug issue has become worse with the years."

The present: Scale of the epidemic

Dr Arshad Hussain, a psychiatrist at the GPDH, recounts that
historically, Kashmir used to be a low drug addiction zone. In the
1980s, when the entire sub-continent, a part of Golden Triangle, was
witnessing an opioid boom, Kashmir had resisted. Not anymore.

The situation has taken a drastic turn. Just the statistics are
alarming, as per the GPDH figures – 90 per cent abusers belong to the
age group of 17-35, with a lifetime prevalence of drug addiction. This
is a very conservative estimate, experts say. Many deaths have been
reported in young men because of opioid use. Epidemiologists
categorically state that this indicates an ongoing epidemic. Dr Abdul
Maajid of the Psychiatry Department of the SKIMS Medical College,
Bemina, informs about the deaths of three drug abusers in rural areas
in North Kashmir in the last three months alone – two persons, who
died of drug over-dose, and one died in a road accident because he was
high on drugs.

What is more alarming is the fact that the first time user belongs to
the much younger age group. Steadily, Kashmir is losing the most
productive age group to drugs, with manifold repercussions on social
and occupational function, affecting both society and economy.

The social and economic implications of substance abuse are worrisome.
Increased absenteeism and deterioration in quality and quantity of
work output are also witnessed in substance abuse cases. These
youngsters who should be at the prime of their abilities become
dysfunctional entities within society in the long term.

The effects of drug abuse are long-term and limitless, as they
percolate through all the aspects of life. Dr Arshid Hussain says,
"There is an increase in the crime rate, road accidents, suicides and
suicidal attempts, deaths due to overdose, psychiatric disorders and
high cost on general health issues due to chronic drug abuse like
liver disorders, gastritis, accidental injuries and an increased risk
for HIV infections due to Intravenous Drug Use (IDU)."

Not to mention the toll it takes on a family. The emotional trauma,
shame, and grief resulting from abuse and the frequent threat of
violence and subsequent separation cause irreparable damage to the
family structure. Addiction impacts children's lives too, often
leaving them to bear its consequences till late adulthood.

'Lost: one generation to gun, next to drugs'

A study by the Sociology Department of Kashmir University reveals that
35 per cent of youth between 15 to 25 years of age have taken to
drugs. Sociologist Dr B A Dabla says, "We lost one generation to the
gun and we are going to lose the next to drugs." The number of girls
involved is also high, even school girls are addicts, he adds. The
solution, explains Dr Dabla, lies in providing solid economic,
religious and psychological remedies.

There have been efforts towards this, in the year 2004 the Department
of Psychiatry of Government Medical College conducted awareness and
intervention programmes in Srinagar, Anantnag and Baramulla. A record
number of 2,500 patients were identified and a treatment plan was
formulated. Many underwent detoxification and a lesser number
continued treatment because of the absence of proper de-addiction
facilities.

Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), an international humanitarian aid
organisation also works to address this burgeoning situation in the
Valley. MSF tries to help clients through weekly counseling sessions.
A team member informs that awareness is a big part of trying to form a
solution, "Psycho-educating them and their families about the problem,
the nature of the drug-disorder, the necessary treatment and on the
manner in which to deal with the person is a very important part of
this work."

In Kashmir's case, he adds, "The emphasis should be laid on judicious
and appropriate prescription of psychotropic drugs. For example,
prescription of benzodiazepines and the duration they should be
prescribed for."

Obstacles: Stigma and poor rehab facilities

The Department of Psychiatry is treating at least 2,000 patients a
year with drug related problems. Experts say that 90 per cent of
patients are between 17 to 35 years of age. Almost all of them were
abusing one of the following drugs – opioids, benzodiazepines,
cannabinoids and solvents. In a departure from standard practice,
these patients are being treated along side with mentally-ill patients
with no separate OPD or IPD or rehabilitation facilities because of
lack of professional staff.

The youngest victim, in Srinagar's Police Control Room's seven-bed de-
addiction facility in Batamaloo, was a 13-year-old heroin addict.
Despite the social stigma attached to being treated by the police,
this facility sees two to three fresh cases a day, doctors say. "If
this centre was located outside these premises, we'd get thousands of
cases," opines a doctor. After grappling with the difficulty of
talking patients into getting treatment, the families bring them to
the centre, only to have the doctors turn them away for lack of beds.

"So many patients come from faraway villages, but we can't treat them
as we lack the infrastructure in dealing with such huge numbers. It's
heartbreaking but we have no choice," explains a doctor. The centre
currently has 28 patients on its waiting list from different parts of
the Valley. Three patients died after they were turned away due to
unavailability of beds. A psychiatrist states: "Two patients died of
over-dose and one committed suicide." Explaining this, Dr Arshid
Hussain says that the addicts have a high dependence level on
prescription drugs that is facilitated by easy availability.

Tip of the ice-berg

This is only the tip of the ice-berg. Dr Hussain adds that out of the
addiction cases that are reported at the hospital, school-going
children comprise 15 to 20 per cent of that population; and of this
two to three per cent are those who abuse solvents like polish and
glue. He says it all started in the nineties with the population
turning to drugs like Corex cough syrup, injectable Pentazocine,
Benzodiazepines and Spasmo Proxyvon. The result of the damage done
then is surfacing now.

Experts say that the Kashmir situation is quite different from any
other part of the world. Here, addicts avoid alcohol due to religious
reasons and also because it is traceable (it has a strong smell);
injectables also leave marks, so they stick to benzodiazepines,
codeine phosphate and opiates, which are easily available and can only
be traced during the middle and the severe phases of addiction.

Dr Wiqar Bashir of the Batamaloo Drug De-addiction Centre (DDC) blames
the gravity of the situation on agencies that monitor drug control,
"Almost 50 per cent of medical shops in the Valley are unlicensed."
Easy availability of the drugs is a huge contributing factor to
addiction, he believes.

Dr Bashir has also noticed similarities in the cases that he has
treated – a close-knit relationship exists between domestic violence,
children from broken homes and drug addiction. "It leads to
destruction in all areas of life."

Sources in the peddling business reveal that the valley consumes 6000
bottles of Codeine per day, and out of this Sopore alone consumes over
3,000 bottles. "If you visit the Degree College in Sopore, you will
find that 80 per cent of the boys are on Codeine," say ex-addicts who
shared this information with doctors. The foregoing scenario shows
clearly that the situation is turning for the worse and is
deteriorating at a rapid pace. If a large-scale intervention is not
initiated by the state at multiple levels, Kashmir will continue to
sink in an abyss.

Dr Bashir explains the extent of deterioration, "Three years ago,
initiation age for addicts was 16 years, now it is 11 to 12 years. In
Kashmir, drugs are used as a coping mechanism for stress and
depression." Almost 50 to 75 per cent addicts, doctors at the DAC have
found, use drugs to overcome depression, PTSD and anxiety. The DDC has
been getting telephonic queries from girls who are addicted to
sleeping pills. "We cannot admit them here as we don't have a female
ward," Dr Bashir admits. Expansion plans are underway at the Batamaloo
facility, but they do not encompass a separate ward for females.

Social worker Yasir Zahgeer who has been helping addicts recover for
the last eight years, shares his insight on the causes of the sky-
rocketing levels of abuse. He reveals that almost 50 per cent of drug
abuse cases he has come across are directly related to violence.
"Patients who are unable to deal with the after effects of torture and
violence, those who have been witness to blasts and shoot-outs finally
seek refuge in drugs."

Due to the lucrative nature of drug peddling, he adds, locals hoard
these medicines and sell them at higher prices to the addicts.

According to him, increasing the number of doctors is not the answer
to this problem which is spiraling out of control. Even if the
existing de-addiction facilities are expanded, there will be a
shortage of counselors who are a crucial input in preventing relapse.
Zahgeer explains, "Initially, when the addict is admitted to our
centre, doctors play 70 per cent of the role until the withdrawal
symptoms disappear, and the counselors play 30 per cent of role in the
first week. After that, the ratio is reversed. We need counselors in
the long-term to teach them how to resist going back to drugs and to
develop new techniques in coping with everyday stress factors."

Future tense: Genotype altered

Unless there are immediate measures taken from all quarters of
society, and a long term effort is made to re-integrate this
population into the mainstream, this youth of Kashmir will pass on
this disease to their next generation, warns Dr Maajid.

"It is scientifically proven that chronic stress alters the genotype
of the individual. Children will imbibe the behaviour of the parents
if they are suffering from PTSD. Stress will lead to drug abuse. The
next generation will be genetically pre-disposed to using drugs and
this will exacerbate the problem."

Instead of alienating addicts, or "hanging them from Lal Chowk", as a
community leader puts it, the need of the hour is that society
supports him or her through de-toxification and counseling thereafter.
Societal and familial support can play a major role in the recovery of
the individual. They also must ensure that they exert pressure on the
authorities to crack down on suppliers, and expose the entrenched
nexus that protects drug peddlers.


Dilnaz Boga is a 33-year-old journalist from Mumbai. She was working
for a newspaper, Mumbai Mirror as a senior copy-editor. Previously,
she has also worked for a city-based newspaper, writing on issues like
health, human interest, civic, education and crime. She has also
covered conflicts in Kashmir, the North-East and Gadchirolli for
several publications in Mumbai. She completed her BA in English and
Psychology from Sophia College, Mumbai University and her MA in
English literature from Mumbai University. In July 2004, she completed
her MA in Peace and Conflict Studies with a distinction on her
dissertation 'Cycles of violence: The impact of human rights
violations on the children in Kashmir' from the University of Sydney
in Australia.

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