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* Road ID - Stupidiest idea ever ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/01935f5ba3d2fa3e?hl=en
* Radio ban plan ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ec5784fd1c6a58ee?hl=en
* Tour de Suisse, stage 2 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/fe42f00ebed9c349?hl=en
* You guys were right, RAAM is not a race - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/94073cfaf8375523?hl=en
* TDF 2010 prospective winners - 9 messages, 8 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3b5893ae469217fd?hl=en
* Eliminate time trial and aero bikes from racing. - 7 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9f5784738cf312f5?hl=en
* FRAAM women's leader - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c4ce518b1d1b33ab?hl=en
* Gord Fraser vs Linda Jackson Roller Room - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/72a15ab8c9685b67?hl=en
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TOPIC: Road ID - Stupidiest idea ever ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/01935f5ba3d2fa3e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 1:28 pm
From: Anton Berlin
On Jun 13, 3:03 pm, "Freddest Air" <fredd...@nowhere.calm> wrote:
> Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Road ID has to be the stupidiest idea ever.
>
> >But I do think I'd kick anyone in the balls that was actually wearing
> >one.
>
> Well then, you should start your campaign with their little bald moby-like
> doping-ass motherfucker of a spokesman who is making 5 figures to pimp those
> hospital bands.
Didn't he have one removed to be more like Lance?
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TOPIC: Radio ban plan ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ec5784fd1c6a58ee?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 1:37 pm
From: Anton Berlin
Anyone know the specifics of the radio ban implementation ? It wasn't
clear when the vote was decided last year.
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TOPIC: Tour de Suisse, stage 2 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/fe42f00ebed9c349?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 1:39 pm
From: nmp
Bob Martin wrote:
> Retirements to date : Stage
> Laurens Ten Dam (Ned) Rabobank
According to Dutch TV, broke two vertebrae, his left wrist and has a
concussion.
<http://nos.nl/artikel/164296-laurens-ten-dam-niet-naar-tour.html>
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TOPIC: You guys were right, RAAM is not a race
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/94073cfaf8375523?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 1:40 pm
From: Anton Berlin
A french women on a recumbant is in the lead
http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2010/06/Day5Buatois2Web-610x438.jpg
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TOPIC: TDF 2010 prospective winners
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3b5893ae469217fd?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 1:49 pm
From: "hargow20@yahoo.com"
I was a 'bit' surprised that Contador was not able to drop Janez
Brajkovic on the Alpe De Huez stage of the Dauphine-Libre. So it will
be interesting to see how and what role Janez Brajkovic plays in Team
Radio Shack if he is chosen for the TDF team.
As for Lance, his poor performance in yesterdays TT in the Tour De
Suisse is just one more sign that his career is headed downhill. The
rain is really no excuse for him to finish so far back.
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 2:05 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"
hargow20@yahoo.com wrote:
> I was a 'bit' surprised that Contador was not able to drop Janez
> Brajkovic on the Alpe De Huez stage of the Dauphine-Libre. So it will
> be interesting to see how and what role Janez Brajkovic plays in Team
> Radio Shack if he is chosen for the TDF team.
Ironically, his chances of being chosen are only 50/50:
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/06/news/despite-dauphine-triumph-brajkovic-isnt-a-lock-for-tour_120934
>
> As for Lance, his poor performance in yesterdays TT in the Tour De
> Suisse is just one more sign that his career is headed downhill. The
> rain is really no excuse for him to finish so far back.
No, it IS an excuse.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 2:25 pm
From: Horst Schnellinger
* hargow20@yahoo.com <hargow20@yahoo.com> [13-06-10 20:49]:
> I was a 'bit' surprised that Contador was not able to drop Janez
> Brajkovic on the Alpe De Huez stage of the Dauphine-Libre. So it will
> be interesting to see how and what role Janez Brajkovic plays in Team
> Radio Shack if he is chosen for the TDF team.
>
> As for Lance, his poor performance in yesterdays TT in the Tour De
> Suisse is just one more sign that his career is headed downhill. The
> rain is really no excuse for him to finish so far back.
So why should he risk anything in this TT, right before the TdF?
Also did Klöden, the Schleck brothers, Gesink and others, who all came
in with over 20sec, safety first. TdS is training for the TdF-Favorites,
nothing more.
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 2:43 pm
From: Scott
On Jun 13, 3:25 pm, Horst Schnellinger <schnellin...@nurfuerspam.de>
wrote:
> * hargo...@yahoo.com <hargo...@yahoo.com> [13-06-10 20:49]:
>
> > I was a 'bit' surprised that Contador was not able to drop Janez
> > Brajkovic on the Alpe De Huez stage of the Dauphine-Libre. So it will
> > be interesting to see how and what role Janez Brajkovic plays in Team
> > Radio Shack if he is chosen for the TDF team.
>
> > As for Lance, his poor performance in yesterdays TT in the Tour De
> > Suisse is just one more sign that his career is headed downhill. The
> > rain is really no excuse for him to finish so far back.
>
> So why should he risk anything in this TT, right before the TdF?
> Also did Kl den, the Schleck brothers, Gesink and others, who all came
> in with over 20sec, safety first. TdS is training for the TdF-Favorites,
> nothing more.
Stop talking sense, it'll just confuse him.
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 4:19 pm
From: NoDannyNo
On Jun 13, 4:49 pm, "hargo...@yahoo.com" <hargo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I was a 'bit' surprised that Contador was not able to drop Janez
> Brajkovic on the Alpe De Huez stage of the Dauphine-Libre. So it will
> be interesting to see how and what role Janez Brajkovic plays in Team
> Radio Shack if he is chosen for the TDF team.
>
> As for Lance, his poor performance in yesterdays TT in the Tour De
> Suisse is just one more sign that his career is headed downhill. The
> rain is really no excuse for him to finish so far back.
Lance The Unimpeachable wins numba 8 by more than 5 minutes. There
will be a crash. Contador will DNF and Shrek will lose major time and
any semblance of form. The salt-stains on my chamois have foretold the
future and this is what they sed (and also not to order the Gulf
Shrimp platter from Sizzler any time soon).
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 4:15 pm
From: "H. Fred Kveck"
In article <f5d13909-75f1-40fb-87c6-11d30a4ad8f9@s1g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 3:25 pm, Horst Schnellinger <schnellin...@nurfuerspam.de>
> wrote:
> > * hargo...@yahoo.com <hargo...@yahoo.com> [13-06-10 20:49]:
> >
> > > I was a 'bit' surprised that Contador was not able to drop Janez
> > > Brajkovic on the Alpe De Huez stage of the Dauphine-Libre. So it will
> > > be interesting to see how and what role Janez Brajkovic plays in Team
> > > Radio Shack if he is chosen for the TDF team.
> >
> > > As for Lance, his poor performance in yesterdays TT in the Tour De
> > > Suisse is just one more sign that his career is headed downhill. The
> > > rain is really no excuse for him to finish so far back.
> >
> > So why should he risk anything in this TT, right before the TdF?
> > Also did Kl den, the Schleck brothers, Gesink and others, who all came
> > in with over 20sec, safety first. TdS is training for the TdF-Favorites,
> > nothing more.
>
> Stop talking sense, it'll just confuse him.
Can I amend that, Scott? "Stop talking, it'll just confuse him."
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 5:24 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<hargow20@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3b7daad5-5f95-4084-881d-cba2525d6d74@t14g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>I was a 'bit' surprised that Contador was not able to drop Janez
> Brajkovic on the Alpe De Huez stage of the Dauphine-Libre. So it will
> be interesting to see how and what role Janez Brajkovic plays in Team
> Radio Shack if he is chosen for the TDF team.
>
> As for Lance, his poor performance in yesterdays TT in the Tour De
> Suisse is just one more sign that his career is headed downhill. The
> rain is really no excuse for him to finish so far back.
Is this Apri 1st? If it was, I could understand someone saying that a
guy who is focusing on the TdF should be risking life & limb to win a
prologue, accumulating a time difference over his peer so insignificant
that a time bonus (if they're giving them) in a sprint would be greater.
And if it was (April 1st), I could understand someone ignoring the fact
that older guys don't recover from busted-up bodies as easily as younger
guys.
Geez, you've even got anti-Lance guys lining up against you on this one.
Points for that I suppose.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 6:37 pm
From: Amit Ghosh
On Jun 13, 8:24 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> Is this Apri 1st? If it was, I could understand someone saying that a
> guy who is focusing on the TdF should be risking life & limb to win a
> prologue, accumulating a time difference over his peer so insignificant
> that a time bonus (if they're giving them) in a sprint would be greater.
> And if it was (April 1st), I could understand someone ignoring the fact
> that older guys don't recover from busted-up bodies as easily as younger
> guys.
>
> Geez, you've even got anti-Lance guys lining up against you on this one.
> Points for that I suppose.
dumbass,
he lost 30 secs in 7.6kms and about 40 guys finished in front of him
some of who had to ride in the rain as well and also don't want to get
injured before the tour.
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 6:44 pm
From: Amit Ghosh
On Jun 13, 4:49 pm, "hargo...@yahoo.com" <hargo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I was a 'bit' surprised that Contador was not able to drop Janez
> Brajkovic on the Alpe De Huez stage of the Dauphine-Libre. So it will
> be interesting to see how and what role Janez Brajkovic plays in Team
> Radio Shack if he is chosen for the TDF team.
>
dumbass,
i think if he really wanted to he could have. he put in one attack and
if that dropped brajkovic he would've went for the win, but when
brajkovic was able to hang on he was content to let him sit on.
if he thinks his form is coming on too fast he might want to take it
easy not not push it right now.
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TOPIC: Eliminate time trial and aero bikes from racing.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9f5784738cf312f5?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 2:42 pm
From: Scott
On Jun 13, 2:25 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think there are several reasons why this would be a good idea.
>
> 1. Allows better comparisons across the spectrum of cyclists
> 2. Lowers the entry barrier for equal participation
> 3. Allows rider to stage race without excessive transport costs
>
> Of course the industry makes a lot of money from aero equipment so
> it's an uphill battle but for me there's something pure and true about
> a road bike.
Wouldn't you imagine that any elite racer with an actual honest to
goodness chance to win and who is traveling to stage races doesn't buy
their own bikes?
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 3:10 pm
From: Anton Berlin
On Jun 13, 4:42 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 2:25 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I think there are several reasons why this would be a good idea.
>
> > 1. Allows better comparisons across the spectrum of cyclists
> > 2. Lowers the entry barrier for equal participation
> > 3. Allows rider to stage race without excessive transport costs
>
> > Of course the industry makes a lot of money from aero equipment so
> > it's an uphill battle but for me there's something pure and true about
> > a road bike.
>
> Wouldn't you imagine that any elite racer with an actual honest to
> goodness chance to win and who is traveling to stage races doesn't buy
> their own bikes?
I know they either have them, buy them or sponsor provides. But what
about the guy trying to move up? The system shouldn't be rigged
against open competition. As is, it is.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 4:21 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
On Jun 13, 1:25 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think there are several reasons why this would be a good idea.
>
> 1. Allows better comparisons across the spectrum of cyclists
> 2. Lowers the entry barrier for equal participation
> 3. Allows rider to stage race without excessive transport costs
>
> Of course the industry makes a lot of money from aero equipment so
> it's an uphill battle but for me there's something pure and true about
> a road bike.
Dumbass -
I watched a triathlon on Universal Sports today and since they now
allow drafting, all the Tri-Freds were riding with road bike bars.
I was switching between that race and the Tour de Suisse on Versus and
the difference in bike handling skills is startling.
Triathlon would be more interesting if they switched the order to:
swim, run, bike.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 4:25 pm
From: NoDannyNo
On Jun 13, 4:25 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think there are several reasons why this would be a good idea.
>
> 1. Allows better comparisons across the spectrum of cyclists
> 2. Lowers the entry barrier for equal participation
> 3. Allows rider to stage race without excessive transport costs
>
> Of course the industry makes a lot of money from aero equipment so
> it's an uphill battle but for me there's something pure and true about
> a road bike.
Get rid of derailleurs, pneumatic tires, and "lycra-spandex" as well
and you'll really have something there.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 5:22 pm
From: "Mark J."
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
> On Jun 13, 1:25 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I think there are several reasons why this would be a good idea.
>>
>> 1. Allows better comparisons across the spectrum of cyclists
>> 2. Lowers the entry barrier for equal participation
>> 3. Allows rider to stage race without excessive transport costs
>>
>> Of course the industry makes a lot of money from aero equipment so
>> it's an uphill battle but for me there's something pure and true about
>> a road bike.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I watched a triathlon on Universal Sports today and since they now
> allow drafting, all the Tri-Freds were riding with road bike bars.
>
> I was switching between that race and the Tour de Suisse on Versus and
> the difference in bike handling skills is startling.
>
> Triathlon would be more interesting if they switched the order to:
> swim, run, bike.
The story is told of a triathlon once held in the order run, bike, swim.
"DNF" meant "Did Not Float."
Mark J.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 6:36 pm
From: Anton Berlin
On Jun 13, 6:25 pm, NoDannyNo <riggodee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 4:25 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I think there are several reasons why this would be a good idea.
>
> > 1. Allows better comparisons across the spectrum of cyclists
> > 2. Lowers the entry barrier for equal participation
> > 3. Allows rider to stage race without excessive transport costs
>
> > Of course the industry makes a lot of money from aero equipment so
> > it's an uphill battle but for me there's something pure and true about
> > a road bike.
>
> Get rid of derailleurs, pneumatic tires, and "lycra-spandex" as well
> and you'll really have something there.
This isn't an anti-tech rant, it's more of a democratic one. They've
eliminated aero bikes from the hour (at least the one that counts)
many aero features from mass starts, radios, and minimum weight
limits.
The thought isn't out of line.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 5:47 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 6/13/2010 7:25 PM, NoDannyNo wrote:
> On Jun 13, 4:25 pm, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I think there are several reasons why this would be a good idea.
>>
>> 1. Allows better comparisons across the spectrum of cyclists
>> 2. Lowers the entry barrier for equal participation
>> 3. Allows rider to stage race without excessive transport costs
>>
>> Of course the industry makes a lot of money from aero equipment so
>> it's an uphill battle but for me there's something pure and true about
>> a road bike.
>
> Get rid of derailleurs, pneumatic tires, and "lycra-spandex" as well
> and you'll really have something there.
Two words. Wool. Chamois (the real kind that gets stiff between rides).
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TOPIC: FRAAM women's leader
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c4ce518b1d1b33ab?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 3:12 pm
From: --D-y
On Jun 13, 11:01 am, Victor Kan <victor....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 12, 10:24 pm, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> ...
>
> > Mechanical doping.
>
> > Damn, how much does that chain weigh all by itself?
> > --D-y
>
> About 2.5x a regular bike's chain.
I forgot to <g>.
<g>
> There's nothing unfair about using a recumbent in RAAM since
> individuals and teams using them are in a separate category from those
> using UCI legal bikes. The results reporting has gradually been
> moving towards including recumbent riders with the others in the same
> lists, but in the end, the records still show separate categories.
The usual attempted 'bent hedgemony.
No "consent" here. Bents are bents, bikes are bikes. Not at all
difficult to tell apart and may "the records" always reflect this.
Again, I rode a bent. Once. No thanks, as long as I can still ride my
real bike.
<g>
--D-y
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 4:17 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
On Jun 12, 4:14 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 12, 3:27 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 12, 2:50 pm, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/06/news/raam-update-robic-ailing-...
>
> > > -rj
>
> > Given the neck and back problems that lots of RAAM riders suffer from,
> > I'm surprised they'll let her use a recumbent. Seems like an unfair
> > advantage of sorts. Is it cheating, a moral issue, a sporting
> > violation, or something altogether different?
>
> That would be an interesting discussion, if anyone cared about FRAAM.
Fuck off, asshole. Speak for yourself.
FRed Across AMerica is this continent's greatest endurance sporting
event.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
fan of FRAAM
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 4:17 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
On Jun 13, 12:54 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 11:26 am, Victor Kan <victor....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 13, 12:28 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > hmmm, I guess if I'd cared more about RAAM, I'd have known that
> > > already.
>
> > Posting at all, much less twice, to a thread about RAAM is putting you
> > in grave danger of caring more about RAAM than you'd want to reveal.
>
> Not really, I don't care about RAAM even a little bit. While I'm sure
> it matters to people who participate in marathon road events, it
> wouldn't qualify as even a momentary blip on my 'idle curiousity'
> radar if it were announced that it were to never happen again.
FRed Across AMerica is this continent's greatest endurance sporting
event.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
fan of FRAAM
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 4:26 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
> On Jun 12, 4:14 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 12, 3:27 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 12, 2:50 pm, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/06/news/raam-update-robic-ailing-...
>>>> -rj
>>> Given the neck and back problems that lots of RAAM riders suffer from,
>>> I'm surprised they'll let her use a recumbent. Seems like an unfair
>>> advantage of sorts. Is it cheating, a moral issue, a sporting
>>> violation, or something altogether different?
>> That would be an interesting discussion, if anyone cared about FRAAM.
>
>
>
>
> Fuck off, asshole. Speak for yourself.
>
> FRed Across AMerica is this continent's greatest endurance sporting
> event.
>
Passive aggressive nimrod,
Please stop denigrating FRAAM by using limiting modifiers such as
"endurance sporting".
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TOPIC: Gord Fraser vs Linda Jackson Roller Room
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/72a15ab8c9685b67?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 3:57 pm
From: "GoneBeforeMyTime"
Roller Room, coming to a race near you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pf8C_-cwj4
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 5:55 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah
On Jun 13, 5:57 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
> Roller Room, coming to a race near you!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pf8C_-cwj4
Has that woman ever pedaled a bicycle before?
-rj
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