Friday, June 25, 2010

[socialactionfoundationforequity:2983 Re: Think Globally, Act Locally for Equitable Development

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Dear All,

Decentralsiation has not been getting due importance that it should
get as people are lured to mega thinking, large projects and quick
bucks. Eventhough decentralisation is not a panacea, it can cure many
ills of the present day society even in this environment of rapid
expansion of globalisation.

Regards,

K Rajasekharan
Decentralisation Watch Kerala
www.decwatch.org


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> Dear Associates,
>
> Please find the attached document on " Vision of Global Thinking & Local
> Action for Holistic Planning & Sustainable Development through Inclusive
> Governance"
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> Thanks & Regards,
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> Herminia Da Costa,
> Nodal Officer GPMSA & Principal Trainer, UNDP - GoI
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>  Vision of Global Thinking & Local Action for Holistic Planning & Sustainable Community Development through Inclusive Governance.doc
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Medarticles book

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hi friend can anyone send me this book :Creasy and Resnik's Maternal-Fetal Medicine: Principles and Practice:

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2983 Drug Enforcement Administration Home

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Drug Abuse and Illicit Trafficking trends in Goa calls for proper Enforcement of Justice

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2981 UN announces environment education programme

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UN announces environment education programme
http://igovernment.in/site/un-announces-environment-education-programme-37854

It is aimed at helping young people learn about trends and
perspectives in the field of environmental protection and
sustainability
Published on 06/24/2010

New Delhi: In order to spread awareness about the environment and
develop young leaders in the field, the United Nations on Thursday
announced a global environment educational programme for students.

The Bayer Young Environmental Envoy Programme (BYEEP) organised by
healthcare company Bayer and the United Nations Environment Programme
(UNEP) will help young people learn about trends and perspectives in
the field of environmental protection and sustainability, a statement
from Bayer said.

The two winners of BYEEP 2010 from India will visit the Bayer
headquarters in Leverkusen, Germany, on a week-long study trip, which
will give them the opportunity to gain firsthand experience of best
environmental protection practices by the company, people and
government in industrialised countries, reports IANS.

The programme is open to all Indian students within the age group of
18-24 years actively involved in a current or completed environmental
project.


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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2978 India extends ban on milk products from China

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India extends ban on milk products from China
http://igovernment.in/site/india-extends-ban-milk-products-china-37851

Ban was imposed in 2008 after traces of melamine — a chemical which
can cause problems such as kidney stones — were found in their milk
products
Published on 06/24/2010

New Delhi: India has extended the ban on Chinese milk and milk
products for another six months, a government statement said.

"The central government further extends the prohibition on import of
milk and milk products, including chocolates and chocolate products
and candies, confectionery, food preparations with milk or milk solids
as an ingredient, from China," a notification from the Directorate
General of Foreign Trade (DGFT) said.

The ban came into existence on December 1, 2008 for one year and was
extended for a period of six months on December 23, 2009.

Chinese milk products were banned after traces of melamine — a
chemical which can cause problems such as kidney stones — were found
resulting in widespread bans across countries, reports IANS.

The DGFT's order, however, did not give any reason for the extension
of the ban.

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2978 Education loan subsidy scheme finalised

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Education loan subsidy scheme finalised
http://igovernment.in/site/education-loan-subsidy-scheme-finalised-37855

The scheme provides full interest subsidy on the loans taken to pursue
technical and professional courses
Published on 06/24/2010

New Delhi: To make education loans cheaper, a scheme was finalised on
Thursday to provide full interest subsidy on the loans taken by
students with annual family income below Rs4.5 lakh to pursue
technical and professional courses.

The format for the scheme was finalised after a meeting between the
Human Resource Development (HRD) Ministry and the Indian Banks'
Association (IBA), reports IANS.

"The scheme provides interest subvention to students for the period of
their course. The interest for this period will be paid to the banks
by the government," a Ministry official said.

The Canara Bank was finalised as the nodal bank for IBA member banks
to claim the subsidy amount reimbursement.

The scheme, which was approved by the cabinet last year provides
interest subvention to students with annual family income below Rs 4.5
lakh for the period till there course finishes.

It will provide interest subvention from the academic year 2009-10.

"The moratorium period also covers the time taken by the student to
get a job, or one year, whichever comes first," the official said.

The scheme will be valid for all loans from scheduled banks for
pursuing courses in professional and technical streams from recognised
institutes in India.

"All eligible students who wish to avail the benefits should approach
the respective bank branch from where they availed of the education
loan and complete the necessary formalities, including obtaining the
certification in respect of annual family income from the competent
authority at the local level," the official said.

The individual student accounts will then be credited with the
interest due on the loan for the academic year 2009-10 onwards, the
official added.

The scheme is effective for all IBA-approved educational loans.

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2978 MHA asks Kerala to take action against IGP

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MHA asks Kerala to take action against IGP
http://igovernment.in/site/mha-asks-kerala-take-action-against-igp-37850

Suspended Inspector General of Police Tomin J Thachenkery reportedly
met people in Middle East facing criminal cases in the state
Published on 06/24/2010

Thiruvananthapuram: The Union Home Ministry has written to the Kerala
Chief Secretary to initiate action against Tomin J Thachenkery,
Inspector General of Police, currently under suspension for going on a
foreign trip without official clearance and reportedly meeting people
there who have cases registered against them.

Thachenkery was suspended in April after Chief Minister VS
Achuthanandan was told that the police officer did not take permission
for his trip to the Middle East including his visit to Doha.

The fresh round of controversy surfaced on Wednesday when a section of
the media reported that the senior Kerala cop had met a few people in
Qatar who have cases registered against them here, reports IANS.

When this issue was put to Achuthanandan, he said the Chief Secretary
would take necessary action on the reported letter from the Union Home
Ministry.

"I do not intend to share details of this with you," Achuthanandan
said.

But, Thursday a TV channel aired the letter written by the Home
Ministry to the Chief Secretary highlighting the lapses and the
serious violations committed by Thachenkery.

The letter says that Thachenkery had asked officials of the Indian
Embassy in Qatar about details of four people who have links with now
arrested south Indian commander of Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) T Nasir.

Incidentally, Thachenkery as IG Kannur range prior to his suspension
had questioned Nasir at Bangalore.

The letter also says that Thachenkery while in Qatar met people who
have cases registered against them in the state.

This is the second suspension that Thachenkery has got under the
Achuthanandan government. The first came in July 2007 when he was
suspended in the wake of a first information report (FIR) filed in a
vigilance court, accusing him of amassing assets worth Rs 95 lakh
between January 1, 2003, and March 31, 2005, when he was Managing
Director of the state-owned Books and Publication Society.

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2978 India rejects demand for a greater Nagaland

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India rejects demand for a greater Nagaland
http://igovernment.in/site/india-rejects-demand-greater-nagaland-37853

Any change in the borders of the states in the northeast will invite
opposition from people, government says
Published on 06/24/2010

New Delhi: Borders of the states in the northeast cannot be changed as
this will invite opposition from people, Minister for Development of
North Eastern Region (DoNER) Bijoy Krishna Handique said.

Responding to queries from media persons on the demand of the National
Socialist Council for Nagaland-Isak-Muivah (NSCN-I-M) for Greater
Nagaland, he said that states of the northeast would not agree to
change of boundaries and "people would also resist" any such move.

He said the concept of Nagalim (Greater Nagaland) involves
incorporation of districts from states such as Manipur and Assam. "You
cannot change boundaries (of states)," he said, adding that the
boundaries were created a long time back, reports IANS.

The minister said that the external-aided projects for the development
of the northeast include a new road project at a cost of Rs.1,500
crore, a rural livelihood project and a northeastern region community
resource management project for upland areas to boost agricultural
production

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2976 How Kenya Welcomes Somali Refugees

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Subject: How Kenya Welcomes Somali Refugees
To: "Avnish Jolly" <avnishjolly@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, 26 June, 2010, 2:16

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How Kenya Welcomes Refugees
Shot at and raped. Arrested and beaten. Detained and deported. Extorted and robbed. Threatened and insulted. Ignored and shunned. The treatment of hardened criminals in some far-flung police state? The fate of political opponents by a repressive regime? Not quite. For Somali refugees - 80 percent of them women and children - this is their welcome to Kenya.
Kenya's welcoming committee for Somali refugees is a notoriously corrupt and abusive police force. For many of the newly arrived Somali refugees interviewed by Human Rights Watch in the Dadaab refugee camps, "Karibuni Kenya" - "Welcome to Kenya" - sounds like this:
"Four [officers] beat and raped us. They kicked me in the stomach, back, and head and held me in a choke position."
"For 10 minutes, the [officers] punched him in the head, kicked him, and whipped him with a nyunyo [a thin rubber whip]. He lost consciousness."
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Europe Fails Migrant Children
Pressure From Human Rights Watch Bringing Change to Canary Islands
Many European countries are failing to care for migrant children who arrive alone from places like West Africa or Afghanistan seeking safety. But potential changes fueled by a Human Rights Watch report may improve the living conditions of migrant children on the Canary Islands, a Spanish archipelago.
The Canary Islands' government has housed 250 unaccompanied migrant children in emergency shelters, with no formal occupancy limits or regulatory oversight. Since 2007, Human Rights Watch has investigated the poor conditions of these facilities. After reading our new report, the government told us that it plans to close the largest, and worst, of the centers – La Esperanza.
Children housed in La Esperanza told Human Rights Watch that they were given low-quality food, and that the facility does not have enough heat, hot water, or blankets. They also reported violent behavior among the children. The children, many of whom fled West Africa, will be moved to other emergency centers. Yet so far, the government hasn't made a commitment to bring those centers up to its own legal standards.
In the rest of Europe, a growing number of countries now plan to deport Afghan children arriving alone to a reception center in Kabul. The British Government claims that deporting children will prevent others from making these hazardous journeys. But instead of discouraging children from fleeing their homeland, it could have the opposite effect.
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Kimberley Process: Halt Zimbabwe Diamond Trade
The Kimberley Process risks total irrelevance if it ignores Zimbabwe's ongoing human rights abuses in and around its Marange diamond fields. If the Kimberley Process can't take real action on an issue like Zimbabwe, then what is it good for?
Lebanon: Seize Opportunity to End Discrimination Against Palestinians
Members of Lebanon's parliament should vote to end restrictions on Palestinian refugees' rights to own property and work. Lebanon has marginalized Palestinian refugees for too long. Parliament should seize this opportunity to turn the page and end discrimination against Palestinians.
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:2976 GPF Newsletter Apr. 20-24

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To: avnishjolly@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, 26 June, 2010, 3:41

Global Policy Forum
June 21 - June 25, 2010
Security Council  Social and Economic Policy   International Justice   NGOs    Iraq  
 
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Security Council


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China Says "Concerned" about South Korea-U.S. Drill (June 22, 2010)
China has expressed concern about joint U.S.-South Korea military exercises involving a U.S. aircraft carrier. China has called for restraint in the wake of South Korea's allegations that North Korea sank one of Seoul's navy ships. China prefers that the Security Council only act after the South's claims have been independently substantiated, and believes that military drills like these may "escalate tensions and harm the interests of countries in this region." (Reuters)

Russia Pushing for Control of Fuel Supplies to Crucial US Airbase (June 22, 2010)
A recent UN report states that the security situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated in the last three months, contrary to the assertions of the Pentagon and NATO that the US-led coalition is making steady progress. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon emphasized that violence has increased on nearly all dimensions, with a 94% increase in roadside bombings over the same period in 2009. Ban linked the increased violence to NATO operations and "a growing capability" of the local insurgency. In response to the UN report, a key NATO official said, "It has to be tougher perhaps before it goes easier." (The Telegraph)

UN: Afghan Insurgent Violence Soaring Over Last Year's Levels (June 19, 2010)
A recent UN report states that the security situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated in the last three months, contrary to the assertions of the Pentagon and NATO that the US-led coalition is making steady progress. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon emphasized that violence has increased on nearly all dimensions, with a 94% increase in roadside bombings over the same period in 2009. Ban linked the increased violence to NATO operations and "a growing capability" of the local insurgency. In response to the UN report, a key NATO official said, "It has to be tougher perhaps before it goes easier." (The Huffington Post)




Social and Economic Policy


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Opening Remarks at Launch of 2010 MDG Report (June 23, 2010)
UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon painted a picture of mixed success at the release of the 2010 Millennium Development Goals report. In spite of the crises in finance, food and fuel, the world has seen reduction in the poverty rate overall, but, "improvements in the lives of the poor have been unacceptably slow." In an effort to generate renewed momentum for the anti-poverty goals in the run up to the 2015 deadline, the Secretary-General announced that he has established an MDG Advocacy Group composed of political leaders and other prominent figures. (United Nations News Center)

G8 Falls Short on Development Aid (June 23, 2010)
In advance of the Toronto G20 summit, G8 countries have issued the Muskoka Accountability Report, assessing the results of their commitments to international development aid. The report is a step towards greater accountability and transparency in the G8 process. It identifies areas of shortfall from the promises of the 2005 Gleneagles Summit, naming and shaming the countries responsible. Set within a long history of unfulfilled pledges, the G20 meeting in Canada offers leaders the opportunity to re-commit to the goals they earlier identified. But whether it will be the "recovery and new beginning," as the conference is named, remains to be seen. (IRIN)

The True Cost of the World Cup in South Africa (June 22, 2010)
The costs of hosting the World Cup in South Africa were said to be justified by the economic growth that the event was supposed to generate. Expenses are expected to surpass original estimates by 757 percent. The expected growth in infrastructure and small local businesses has not come close to offsetting the funds that have been diverted from long-term priorities such as healthcare and education. FIFA and international corporate sponsors such as McDonald's and Coca Cola are the biggest beneficiaries of the event with much of the local South African population unable to even attend the matches. (AlterNet)

Far From Gulf, a Spill Scourge 5 Decades Old (June 16, 2010)
The Gulf oil spill leads headlines daily, whereas the international media ignore weekly oil spills in the Niger Delta. The oil industry contributes 80% of the Nigerian government's revenue, yet the people living in the region benefit little. The nearly 546 million gallons of oil spilled in Nigeria has led to catastrophic environmental destruction and seriously damaged the food supply and livelihoods of those living there. Collusion between government and oil industry officials has led to ineffectual regulatory policies. Without media coverage, the big oil companies like Shell escape accountability. (New York Times)

Aid Ironies (May 24, 2010)
Thoughtful and constructive criticism of international aid can be invaluable in efforts to promote accountability of aid agencies and realize more effective and sustainable aid interventions. A failure to differentiate between misspent and well-spent aid, however, forms the backbone of common criticism of international aid, promoting public misunderstanding and masking aid successes and achievements. Ultimately this contributes to a misguided public discourse prioritizing, often incongruous, anti-aid ideologies ahead of opportunities to realize economic and social improvements for some of the world's poorest and most vulnerable people. (Huffington Post)




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Podcast Interview with William Pace and Jennifer Trahan about the ICC Review Conference (June 22, 2010)
On June 22, 2010, GPF interviewed William Pace, Convenor of the Coalition for the International Criminal Court, and Jennifer Trahan, Assistant Clinical Professor at New York University, about the relevance and outcome of the Review Conference of the International Criminal Court. The conference took place in Kampala, Uganda, from May 30 until June 12, 2010. The discussion focussed mainly on the amendment on the crime of aggression and the role of the United States during the negotiations. (Global Policy Forum)

Sri Lanka Furious as UN's Ban Names War Crimes Panel (June 21, 2010)
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon is due to name a three-member panel of experts to look into alleged war crimes committed by the Sri Lankan military against the separatist Tamil Tiger rebels during the final months of the country's civil war. The move follows a visit to the island by the under Secretary General for Political Affairs, Lynn Pascoe. The Sri Lankan government is deeply unhappy with the Secretary General's decision, as the creation of the panel could lead to a full-blown war crimes investigation. (AFP)

Hague Prosecutor: Fugitives are Priority (June 19, 2010)
The Chief Prosecutor and President of the Hague Tribunal have presented their six-month reports on the work of the Tribunal to the UN Security Council. According to Prosecutor Serge Brammertz, the Serbian government has continued to cooperate with the Tribunal by giving access to documents, witnesses and archives. Serbia has also continued with its operative activities in the search for Ratko Mladic and Goran Hadžic. Brammertz stresses, however, that Belgrade must consider its current form of actions and increase its efforts in finding and arresting the fugitives. (B92)

Surrendered Darfur Rebels to Appear in Court (June 17, 2010)
On August 27, 2009, the International Criminal Court summoned the Sudan rebel leaders Abdallah Banda Abakaer and Saleh Mohammed Jerbo Jamus to appear before the Court for alleged war crimes offences. Both are believed to be responsible for the attack against the African Union Mission in Sudan (AMIS) in 2007, leaving 12 AMIS soldiers dead. On June 16, 2010, both rebel leaders turned themselves in to the ICC. Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir, who is also wanted for alleged war crimes, continues to deny the charges against him. (Afrik.com)




NGOs


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Review: "The United Nations and Civil Society" (June 16, 2010)
Nora McKeon's book analyzes the interaction between civil society organizations (CSOs) and the UN over the past two decades. Much of the focus is devoted to food and agricultural issues and McKeon examines the World Food Summits of 1996 and 2002 to identify a growing trend of "partnership culture" between the FAO and CSOs. Although she calls attention to the obstacles faced by CSOs, she does believe that the UN can serve as a forum for meaningful CSO engagement. (Foreign Policy in Focus)



Iraq


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Soldier's Shocking Allegation: Troops Ordered to Engage in "360 Rotational Fire" Against Civilians (June 21, 2010)
Former US Army Specialist Ethan McCord has revealed that orders for "360 rotational fire" against civilians were issued in Iraq at battalion level as a new standard operating procedure in response to improvised explosive device (IED) attacks. If true, the claim amounts to evidence for mass execution of civilians: an egregious war crime. Such mass execution of civilians has been prosecuted in the past under international law in the cases of Germany 1944, Nanking 1937, Hankow 1938 and the German invasion of Poland 1939. McCord is one of the soldiers visible in the Wikileaks video helping wounded children after the attack. He, along with a former colleague, has also written an Open Letter of Reconciliation and Responsibility to the Iraqi People and joined the growing ranks of US soldiers who oppose the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. (Alternet)







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TOPIC: News Flash!
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 11:53 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 6/25/2010 1:11 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
> I don't look to pro athletes when I'm looking for role models on how
> to live my life in the first place. Or musicians. Or movie stars. Or
> politicians.
>
> So, if Longo wants to be childless, and spend her whole life racing
> her bike, and playing the piano, I'm glad that's working for her.
>
> Brad Anders

Exactly so. It is no business of mine how she lives
her life. And I am sure she will get along just fine
without my admiration.

It wasn't just raising children specifically that I
was referring to. I think that dedicating your life
to racing bikes is OK for a while. But I think to not
have found a different path at her age is exceptional,
and not in a positive way.

Linda Jackson creates a new career for herself every
couple of years. I think that's every bit as
exceptional, in a positive way, as what Longo has
accomplished.

Fred Flintstein


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 12:36 pm
From: Betty


GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
>> Deal with it.

ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
> Priceless.

Charge it to your rbr branded credit card.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 12:37 pm
From: Betty


Fred Flintstein wrote:
> While I certainly respect Longo's immense accomplishments
> as a cyclist, I'm not sure how I feel about someone that
> doesn't have anything else going on with their life. There
> are many others that could choose to compete at high levels
> of competition as older athletes. But at some point they
> conclude that it is time to move on and "because I can" is
> not enough of a justification to do it.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho1yJwvWCrw>


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 1:25 pm
From: KGring


On Jun 25, 11:11 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 10:59 am, Fred Flintstein
>
>
>
> <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
> > On 6/25/2010 12:14 PM, GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
>
> > > Anton Berlin wrote:
> > >> On Jun 25, 9:48 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> On 6/24/2010 4:53 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> > >>>> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman
> > >>>> cyclist. Is that now up for debate?
>
> > >>> Burton competed at Worlds on a team with her daughter. In
> > >>> order to do that she had to recognize that there were other
> > >>> things in life besides racing bikes.
>
> > >>> While I certainly respect Longo's immense accomplishments
> > >>> as a cyclist, I'm not sure how I feel about someone that
> > >>> doesn't have anything else going on with their life. There
> > >>> are many others that could choose to compete at high levels
> > >>> of competition as older athletes. But at some point they
> > >>> conclude that it is time to move on and "because I can" is
> > >>> not enough of a justification to do it.
>
> > >>> But Longo never found that point. I'm not sure how I feel
> > >>> about that. But admiration just isn't coming.
>
> > >>> Fred Flintstein
>
> > >> Fucking freek - Longo plays the piano and plays it very well.  Some
> > >> people have better things to do then to pollute the planet with clones
> > >> of themselves.
>
> > >>http://i46.tinypic.com/2hozp1h.jpg
>
> > > Longo also well connected, lots of friends in both USA and Europe,
> > > especially France. From even short accounts, her life is full of fun and
> > > meaning besides being the best ever at road racing. I've heard her play, not
> > > bad. What I find most amazing is her military like discipline in the sport.
> > > That's certainly one aspect of what you would expect from a pro. All Pros
> > > know preparation is key, but I find it incredible that she was constantly on
> > > the move all those years back and forth from Europe to America to race.
> > > Traveling in itself is stressful, and I can't imagine how many plane trips
> > > she has made in the last 30 years. My favorite attribute in Longo is her
> > > ability to do several different races in one day and win them. Racing
> > > perhaps in the morning, then getting in the car traveling many miles to race
> > > in the afternoon, and she did it quite often for many years. That's got to
> > > be incredibly stressful. What other women has even done that? Van Moorsel,
> > > no, Luperini, no, no one.
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cBmwjz8Vng
>
> > Thanks. Without intending to, you've reinforced my point. Maybe
> > the reason no one lives the way Longo does is because that isn't
> > an intelligent way to live.
>
> > And yes, she is without peer as a bike racer.
>
> > Fred Flintstein
>
> I don't look to pro athletes when I'm looking for role models on how
> to live my life in the first place. Or musicians. Or movie stars. Or
> politicians.
>
> So, if Longo wants to be childless, and spend her whole life racing
> her bike, and playing the piano, I'm glad that's working for her.

Dumbass -

Longo plays the piano?

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 1:26 pm
From: KGring


On Jun 25, 11:11 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 10:59 am, Fred Flintstein
>
>
>
> <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
> > On 6/25/2010 12:14 PM, GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
>
> > > Anton Berlin wrote:
> > >> On Jun 25, 9:48 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> On 6/24/2010 4:53 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> > >>>> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman
> > >>>> cyclist. Is that now up for debate?
>
> > >>> Burton competed at Worlds on a team with her daughter. In
> > >>> order to do that she had to recognize that there were other
> > >>> things in life besides racing bikes.
>
> > >>> While I certainly respect Longo's immense accomplishments
> > >>> as a cyclist, I'm not sure how I feel about someone that
> > >>> doesn't have anything else going on with their life. There
> > >>> are many others that could choose to compete at high levels
> > >>> of competition as older athletes. But at some point they
> > >>> conclude that it is time to move on and "because I can" is
> > >>> not enough of a justification to do it.
>
> > >>> But Longo never found that point. I'm not sure how I feel
> > >>> about that. But admiration just isn't coming.
>
> > >>> Fred Flintstein
>
> > >> Fucking freek - Longo plays the piano and plays it very well.  Some
> > >> people have better things to do then to pollute the planet with clones
> > >> of themselves.
>
> > >>http://i46.tinypic.com/2hozp1h.jpg
>
> > > Longo also well connected, lots of friends in both USA and Europe,
> > > especially France. From even short accounts, her life is full of fun and
> > > meaning besides being the best ever at road racing. I've heard her play, not
> > > bad. What I find most amazing is her military like discipline in the sport.
> > > That's certainly one aspect of what you would expect from a pro. All Pros
> > > know preparation is key, but I find it incredible that she was constantly on
> > > the move all those years back and forth from Europe to America to race.
> > > Traveling in itself is stressful, and I can't imagine how many plane trips
> > > she has made in the last 30 years. My favorite attribute in Longo is her
> > > ability to do several different races in one day and win them. Racing
> > > perhaps in the morning, then getting in the car traveling many miles to race
> > > in the afternoon, and she did it quite often for many years. That's got to
> > > be incredibly stressful. What other women has even done that? Van Moorsel,
> > > no, Luperini, no, no one.
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cBmwjz8Vng
>
> > Thanks. Without intending to, you've reinforced my point. Maybe
> > the reason no one lives the way Longo does is because that isn't
> > an intelligent way to live.
>
> > And yes, she is without peer as a bike racer.
>
> > Fred Flintstein
>
> I don't look to pro athletes when I'm looking for role models on how
> to live my life in the first place. Or musicians. Or movie stars. Or
> politicians.

<snip>


Dumbass -

I look to models when it comes to where I'd like to live my life.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 2:50 pm
From: "A. Dumas"


Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Jun 25, 9:48 am, Fred Flintstein wrote:
>> While I certainly respect Longo's immense accomplishments
>> as a cyclist, I'm not sure how I feel about someone that
>> doesn't have anything else going on with their life.
>> [...] I'm not sure how I feel
>> about that. But admiration just isn't coming.
>
> Fucking freek - Longo plays the piano and plays it very well.

Also has a bachelor's degree in Maths and an MBA.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 12:19 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 25, 11:42 am, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/german-road-championships-cn/elite-m...
>
> "Tony Martin of HTC-Columbia won his first German time trial
> championship title on Friday. The 25-year-old covered the 34.5km
> course in 35:15."

Assuming the data is right (doubtful), 58.71 km/hr (36.48 mph). Maybe
the ITT had a 20 mph tailwind, or was off a cliff. Or derny-paced. Or
Grubered.

Brad Anders


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 12:32 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Jun 25, 1:19 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Or Grubered.

I think this is a worthy addition to the language.
DR


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 12:46 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 25, 12:32 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 1:19 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Or Grubered.
>
> I think this is a worthy addition to the language.

2010 Tour de France, Phil Liggett: "AND CANCELLARA HAS DONE IT AGAIN,
HE'S GRUBERED THE PROLOGUE COURSE ON HIS WAY TO THE YELLOW JERSEY"


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 1:43 pm
From: Anton Berlin


two other riders within a minute (nice to see jenn is in there)

1-way with downhill and/or tailwind is the likely story


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 2:15 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 25, 12:19 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 11:42 am, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/german-road-championships-cn/elite-m...
>
> > "Tony Martin of HTC-Columbia won his first German time trial
> > championship title on Friday. The 25-year-old covered the 34.5km
> > course in 35:15."
>
> Assuming the data is right (doubtful), 58.71 km/hr (36.48 mph).

Just looked at the German women's ITT. Judith Arndt, 28 km in 34:33,
48.63 km/hr (30.22 mph).

How come I never got to do a TT on a course like that? I might have
broken the 20 mph barrier.

Brad Anders

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TOPIC: Novitzky gets the Ball rolling
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 1:46 pm
From: "i,Fred"

And now it begins. Ball gets served with a warrant regarding doping on Rock
Racing:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/06/24/2010-06-24_fed_roid_probe_on_ball.html


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 2:06 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 25, 1:46 pm, "i,Fred" <n0...@anywhere.0rg> wrote:
> And now it begins. Ball gets served with a warrant regarding doping on Rock
> Racing:
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/06/24/2010-06-24_f...

That's it? They're going after a defunct pro team with an out-of-
business bankroller? This is going to lead to the downfall of the
EMPIRE OF LANCE? Guess I was expecting a bit more fireworks.

Side note: Landis needs to write a new book after all this is over,
"Don't Burn Your Bridges, Nuke 'em!"

Brad Anders


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 2:27 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/25/2010 5:06 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
> On Jun 25, 1:46 pm, "i,Fred"<n0...@anywhere.0rg> wrote:
>> And now it begins. Ball gets served with a warrant regarding doping on Rock
>> Racing:
>>
>> http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/06/24/2010-06-24_f...
>
> That's it? They're going after a defunct pro team with an out-of-
> business bankroller? This is going to lead to the downfall of the
> EMPIRE OF LANCE? Guess I was expecting a bit more fireworks.
>
> Side note: Landis needs to write a new book after all this is over,
> "Don't Burn Your Bridges, Nuke 'em!"
>
> Brad Anders
I seriously doubt that this is "it." If anything "it" is just the
beginning.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 4:15 pm
From: Scott


On Jun 25, 3:27 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/25/2010 5:06 PM, Brad Anders wrote:> On Jun 25, 1:46 pm, "i,Fred"<n0...@anywhere.0rg>  wrote:
> >> And now it begins. Ball gets served with a warrant regarding doping on Rock
> >> Racing:
>
> >>http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/06/24/2010-06-24_f...
>
> > That's it? They're going after a defunct pro team with an out-of-
> > business bankroller? This is going to lead to the downfall of the
> > EMPIRE OF LANCE? Guess I was expecting a bit more fireworks.
>
> > Side note: Landis needs to write a new book after all this is over,
> > "Don't Burn Your Bridges, Nuke 'em!"
>
> > Brad Anders
>
> I seriously doubt that this is "it."  If anything "it" is just the
> beginning.

I agree. It's only beginning.

On another note, did anyone really believe that all those "ex" dopers
on Rock Racing had really cleaned up?


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 4:50 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/25/2010 7:15 PM, Scott wrote:
> On Jun 25, 3:27 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 6/25/2010 5:06 PM, Brad Anders wrote:> On Jun 25, 1:46 pm, "i,Fred"<n0...@anywhere.0rg> wrote:
>>>> And now it begins. Ball gets served with a warrant regarding doping on Rock
>>>> Racing:
>>
>>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/06/24/2010-06-24_f...
>>
>>> That's it? They're going after a defunct pro team with an out-of-
>>> business bankroller? This is going to lead to the downfall of the
>>> EMPIRE OF LANCE? Guess I was expecting a bit more fireworks.
>>
>>> Side note: Landis needs to write a new book after all this is over,
>>> "Don't Burn Your Bridges, Nuke 'em!"
>>
>>> Brad Anders
>>
>> I seriously doubt that this is "it." If anything "it" is just the
>> beginning.
>
> I agree. It's only beginning.
>
> On another note, did anyone really believe that all those "ex" dopers
> on Rock Racing had really cleaned up?

And the criminal search warrant is under seal so that no one will know
who has talked and provided evidence leading to the issuance of the
warrant. It's just the beginning of a long process. Sit back and enjoy
the show, folks.


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 6:17 pm
From: DA74


On Jun 25, 4:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/25/2010 7:15 PM, Scott wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 25, 3:27 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> >> On 6/25/2010 5:06 PM, Brad Anders wrote:>  On Jun 25, 1:46 pm, "i,Fred"<n0...@anywhere.0rg>    wrote:
> >>>> And now it begins. Ball gets served with a warrant regarding doping on Rock
> >>>> Racing:
>
> >>>>http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/06/24/2010-06-24_f...
>
> >>> That's it? They're going after a defunct pro team with an out-of-
> >>> business bankroller? This is going to lead to the downfall of the
> >>> EMPIRE OF LANCE? Guess I was expecting a bit more fireworks.
>
> >>> Side note: Landis needs to write a new book after all this is over,
> >>> "Don't Burn Your Bridges, Nuke 'em!"
>
> >>> Brad Anders
>
> >> I seriously doubt that this is "it."  If anything "it" is just the
> >> beginning.
>
> > I agree.  It's only beginning.
>
> > On another note, did anyone really believe that all those "ex" dopers
> > on Rock Racing had really cleaned up?
>
> And the criminal search warrant is under seal so that no one will know
> who has talked and provided evidence leading to the issuance of the
> warrant.  It's just the beginning of a long process.  Sit back and enjoy
> the show, folks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have the distinct feeling that this opening salvo is meant to start
applying pressure to those who may have information that will assist
the prosecutors in targeting the big fish. These motherfuckers are
going to start singing like a Spring Nightengale when they get
confronted with the consequences of lying to the Feds and the reality
of prison life for skinny white guys with the build of Kate Moss at
the end of a coke binge at NY Fashion Week.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 6:38 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jun 25, 8:17 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 4:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 6/25/2010 7:15 PM, Scott wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 25, 3:27 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> > >> On 6/25/2010 5:06 PM, Brad Anders wrote:>  On Jun 25, 1:46 pm, "i,Fred"<n0...@anywhere.0rg>    wrote:
> > >>>> And now it begins. Ball gets served with a warrant regarding doping on Rock
> > >>>> Racing:
>
> > >>>>http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/06/24/2010-06-24_f...
>
> > >>> That's it? They're going after a defunct pro team with an out-of-
> > >>> business bankroller? This is going to lead to the downfall of the
> > >>> EMPIRE OF LANCE? Guess I was expecting a bit more fireworks.
>
> > >>> Side note: Landis needs to write a new book after all this is over,
> > >>> "Don't Burn Your Bridges, Nuke 'em!"
>
> > >>> Brad Anders
>
> > >> I seriously doubt that this is "it."  If anything "it" is just the
> > >> beginning.
>
> > > I agree.  It's only beginning.
>
> > > On another note, did anyone really believe that all those "ex" dopers
> > > on Rock Racing had really cleaned up?
>
> > And the criminal search warrant is under seal so that no one will know
> > who has talked and provided evidence leading to the issuance of the
> > warrant.  It's just the beginning of a long process.  Sit back and enjoy
> > the show, folks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I have the distinct feeling that this opening salvo is meant to start
> applying pressure to those who may have information that will assist
> the prosecutors in targeting the big fish. These motherfuckers are
> going to start singing like a Spring Nightengale when they get
> confronted with the consequences of lying to the Feds and the reality
> of prison life for skinny white guys with the build of Kate Moss at
> the end of a coke binge at NY Fashion Week.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I am going to open some Champagne - great news.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 2:30 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


Heck, why not toss it out there and look like a fool a month from now? Let's
hear it. Here's mine-

1: Contador
2: Basso
3: Lance

This assumes Andy can't quite get it together enough to overcome the minute
he'll lose in the final TT... this just doesn't look like his year. Wiggins
could end up in there instead of Lance. Jani B is an extreme dark horse, and
would require a scenario where he was put in charge of checking Contador on
the final parts of the climb... and as the only person on RS who might be
able to hold his wheel, could end up putting him in a position to be
supported for the GC. But there's a lot of other 2nd-tier talent out there
that could make a showing.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 3:39 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Jun 25, 4:30 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:

> This assumes <snip>

Goddamn. Give us your top ten and spare us all the logic and pre-made
excuses, candyass.

-rj

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TOPIC: Competition for SchwartzSoft?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 2:56 pm
From: "A. Dumas"


ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/science/25voice.html

I thought this was the most interesting science-to-audio news of the
week: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10385675.stm


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 3:41 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Jun 25, 4:56 pm, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr> wrote:
> ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/science/25voice.html
>
> I thought this was the most interesting science-to-audio news of the
> week:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10385675.stm

To hell with the god particle - what would the Kunich particle sound
like?

-rj

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TOPIC: AFLD banned on TdF- Ricco back on big team...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 6:05 pm
From: DA74


On Jun 24, 9:42 pm, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "DA74" <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e66894ca-4bad-47e8-a246-1cd290a259f3@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 24, 5:56 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 6/24/2010 7:36 PM, Fred Gringioni wrote:
>
> > > "Mike Jacoubowsky"<Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
> > >news:zZ-dnS9Ck9bKQr7RnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> > > :
> > > : That's to justify "tests" not interrogations. Do you seriously feel
> > > Lance
> > > : would fail a drug test (which would then lead to the "little room"
> > > : interrogation?
>
> > > Dumbass -
>
> > > Laff@me ignores inconvenient little facts like that in his wet dreams.
>
> > > thanks,
>
> > > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> > You children are so predictable in your infantile comments. But, carry
> > on. ROTFL!!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> ::The depth and acuteness of the irony dripping from their man-crush
> ::accusations against you never fails to amaze me. You must have hurt
> ::them bro...bad.
> ::
> ::Like Lester Burnham in American Beauty who spurned the homosexual
> ::advance of Colonel Fitts who then retaliates as a result of his pent
> ::up repression. It's so classic it's amusing.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> If you'd been here since the beginning, you'd understand.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Kurgobro,
Aside from my defense of Lafferty, what makes you think I haven't been
a part of this circle jerk from the beginning?

And by the way, with all due respect to you (with the exception of all
the unimaginative Lafferty-bashing lemmings) - You do realize that the
ultimate irony of all this is that he has been right all along -
right?
-DA74


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 6:13 pm
From: "z, fred"


DA74 wrote:
> On Jun 24, 9:42 pm, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> "DA74" <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:e66894ca-4bad-47e8-a246-1cd290a259f3@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 24, 5:56 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 6/24/2010 7:36 PM, Fred Gringioni wrote:
>>>> "Mike Jacoubowsky"<Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:zZ-dnS9Ck9bKQr7RnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>> :
>>>> : That's to justify "tests" not interrogations. Do you seriously feel
>>>> Lance
>>>> : would fail a drug test (which would then lead to the "little room"
>>>> : interrogation?
>>>> Dumbass -
>>>> Laff@me ignores inconvenient little facts like that in his wet dreams.
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>>> You children are so predictable in your infantile comments. But, carry
>>> on. ROTFL!!- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> ::The depth and acuteness of the irony dripping from their man-crush
>> ::accusations against you never fails to amaze me. You must have hurt
>> ::them bro...bad.
>> ::
>> ::Like Lester Burnham in American Beauty who spurned the homosexual
>> ::advance of Colonel Fitts who then retaliates as a result of his pent
>> ::up repression. It's so classic it's amusing.
>>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> If you'd been here since the beginning, you'd understand.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Kurgobro,
> Aside from my defense of Lafferty, what makes you think I haven't been
> a part of this circle jerk from the beginning?
>
> And by the way, with all due respect to you (with the exception of all
> the unimaginative Lafferty-bashing lemmings) - You do realize that the
> ultimate irony of all this is that he has been right all along -
> right?
> -DA74

Yes and no.

KG's criticism of Lafferty is mainly about Lafferty's, like LemonD's,
single minded obsession with LANCE without equal attention or concern
toward any of the other dopers.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 6:40 pm
From: Anton Berlin


I'll build a poll so we can tabulate the winner easily in a
spreadsheet. Give me a few days


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