Monday, June 28, 2010

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Today's topics:

* How Does He Do It? - 13 messages, 8 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7209f8b5945aec1c?hl=en
* Cav in Greipel out! Milk-A-Waaaaaaaat? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dde023aea291feca?hl=en
* The French Surrender Again - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4b837ae7abe0cd17?hl=en
* 2010 TdF is the last one for Lance - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/952cbf6155ee78d2?hl=en
* Novitzky gets the Ball rolling - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/96a152be0c7d300f?hl=en
* Is Ocho probably a lying cunt? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dc98a8a061aeada1?hl=en
* No way Lance is going down - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cdd60ab31261b1aa?hl=en

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TOPIC: How Does He Do It?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7209f8b5945aec1c?hl=en
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== 1 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 6:13 pm
From: --D-y


On Jun 28, 7:59 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> > for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> > doper.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I forgot to answer the question: it's because Indurain is a nice guy.
> Doping isn't a crime against humanity and everyone likes Miguel so no
> one says anything.
>
> It'd be different if people (like you) had an axe to grind.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Yup, it's some kind of personality thing, or something.
--D-y


== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 7:05 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Jun 28, 6:06 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/28/2010 8:59 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> >> Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> >> for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> >> doper.
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > I forgot to answer the question: it's because Indurain is a nice guy.
> > Doping isn't a crime against humanity and everyone likes Miguel so no
> > one says anything.
>
> > It'd be different if people (like you) had an axe to grind.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Nobody really knows if he's a nice guy or not.  He's never spoken enough
> for anyone to form an opinion--except maybe his wife, maybe.


Dumbass -

The people with whom he has first person encounters (teamates, guys he
raced against) universally like him. I've never read a single negative
quote about his personality or any of his actions.

You can tell the press likes him too, you can tell by their "tone".
There's definitely a different "tone" when they're writing about
Robbie McEwen or Alexander Vinokourov.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 7:09 pm
From: "Steve Freides"


B. Lafferty wrote:
> On 6/28/2010 8:59 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
>> On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> Miguel Indurain that is. The guy is one of the most obvious
>>> candidates for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never
>>> seriously discussed as a doper.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> I forgot to answer the question: it's because Indurain is a nice guy.
>> Doping isn't a crime against humanity and everyone likes Miguel so no
>> one says anything.
>>
>> It'd be different if people (like you) had an axe to grind.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Nobody really knows if he's a nice guy or not. He's never spoken
> enough for anyone to form an opinion--except maybe his wife, maybe.

You can't possibly be this stupid and still figure out how to post to a
newsgroup. Quit putting us on, eh?

-S-


== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 7:22 pm
From: Phil H


On Jun 28, 6:06 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/28/2010 8:59 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> >> Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> >> for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> >> doper.
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > I forgot to answer the question: it's because Indurain is a nice guy.
> > Doping isn't a crime against humanity and everyone likes Miguel so no
> > one says anything.
>
> > It'd be different if people (like you) had an axe to grind.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Nobody really knows if he's a nice guy or not.  He's never spoken enough
> for anyone to form an opinion--except maybe his wife, maybe.
>
> I vaguely recall that Joe Freil had an interesting explanation in one of
> his early books for why he was able to climb so well. Part of it was
> that he lost some weight.  Sounds familiar.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It should......you didn't believe it then but I recall it was the
actual weight loss you didn't believe not the fact that losing 10 lbs
would improve climbing performance.

Phil H


== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 7:54 pm
From: Ben Trovato


On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> doper.  Is it because everyone assumes that he was?

What happened in 1996?


== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 8:12 pm
From: Rik Van Slick


On Jun 28, 8:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> doper.  Is it because everyone assumes that he was?

Oy. Get over it already. Sheesh!


== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 8:21 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Jun 28, 7:22 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 6:06 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 6/28/2010 8:59 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> > >> Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> > >> for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> > >> doper.
>
> > > Dumbass -
>
> > > I forgot to answer the question: it's because Indurain is a nice guy.
> > > Doping isn't a crime against humanity and everyone likes Miguel so no
> > > one says anything.
>
> > > It'd be different if people (like you) had an axe to grind.
>
> > > thanks,
>
> > > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> > Nobody really knows if he's a nice guy or not.  He's never spoken enough
> > for anyone to form an opinion--except maybe his wife, maybe.
>
> > I vaguely recall that Joe Freil had an interesting explanation in one of
> > his early books for why he was able to climb so well. Part of it was
> > that he lost some weight.  Sounds familiar.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It should......you didn't believe it then but I recall it was the
> actual weight loss you didn't believe not the fact that losing 10 lbs
> would improve climbing performance.

Dumbass -

10 kilos, not 10 lbs. and losing 10 kilos most definitely will improve
climbing (and everything else) performance.

Still doesn't mean he was clean. He was champion during the rampant
EPO era.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 8:24 pm
From: NoDannyNo


On Jun 28, 10:54 pm, Ben Trovato <benn.trov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> > for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> > doper.  Is it because everyone assumes that he was?
>
> What happened in 1996?

Barney Reese got better dope and the weather sucked that year.


== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 8:43 pm
From: Rik Van Slick


On Jun 28, 8:57 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> > for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> > doper.  Is it because everyone assumes that he was?
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Yes.
>
> BTW, that's one of the biggest pieces of evidence that LemonD was out
> for LANCE and Flandis simply because they're Americans who won the TdF
> (and therefore a threat to his legacy). Indurain was a guy who
> actually beat him in a TdF. Yet LemonD never says jack about dirty
> Indurain (or dirty Bugno or dirty Chiapucci).
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Do you remember when Indurian went blasting by Bugno in that TT in the
'93 tour? I guess Gianni had the wrong Orange Juice that morning!


== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 8:57 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Jun 28, 8:24 pm, NoDannyNo <riggodee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 10:54 pm, Ben Trovato <benn.trov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > > Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> > > for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> > > doper.  Is it because everyone assumes that he was?
>
> > What happened in 1996?
>
> Barney Reese got better dope and the weather sucked that year.

Dumbass -

I doubt he got better dope. It was the same stuff. He was just willing
to go where few men had gone before.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 9:16 pm
From: NoDannyNo


On Jun 28, 11:57 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."

> I doubt he got better dope. It was the same stuff. He was just willing
> to go where few men had gone before.

57...58...59...60...ding-ding-ding-ding


== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 9:47 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Jun 28, 8:43 pm, Rik Van Slick <gyrerac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 8:57 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
>
>
>
>
>
> <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > > Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> > > for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> > > doper.  Is it because everyone assumes that he was?
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > Yes.
>
> > BTW, that's one of the biggest pieces of evidence that LemonD was out
> > for LANCE and Flandis simply because they're Americans who won the TdF
> > (and therefore a threat to his legacy). Indurain was a guy who
> > actually beat him in a TdF. Yet LemonD never says jack about dirty
> > Indurain (or dirty Bugno or dirty Chiapucci).
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Do you remember when Indurian went blasting by Bugno in that TT in the
> '93 tour? I guess Gianni had the wrong Orange Juice that morning!

Dumbass -

If a lotta guys are doping, there's still only gonna be one winner. It
doesn't mean the losers were all clean.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 9:58 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article <mvqdna3F5cT03rTRnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Miguel Indurain that is. The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> doper. Is it because everyone assumes that he was?

We were waiting for you to tell us.

--
Old Fritz

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TOPIC: Cav in Greipel out! Milk-A-Waaaaaaaat?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dde023aea291feca?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 7:03 pm
From: TheCoz


Well, I have been wondering why this is, comparing the win list for
2010 on these two riders.
With a 1 to 10 and Cav's asshole attitude, it seems Greiple would be
the better sprinter to work for.
Coz

Andre Greiple 2010 Victories

* Stage win at the Giro
* Five stage wins and points jersey at Tour of Turkey
* Stage winner of Volta ao Algarve (held yellow jersey)
* Stage win at Challenge Mallorca
* Three stage wins of Tour Down Under

Mark Cavendish 2010 Victories

* Winner of Stage 2 of Vuelta a Catalunya


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 10:04 pm
From: Scott


On Jun 28, 8:03 pm, TheCoz <cycled...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I have been wondering why this is, comparing the win list for
> 2010 on these two riders.
> With a 1 to 10 and Cav's asshole attitude, it seems Greiple would be
> the better sprinter to work for.
> Coz
>
>  Andre Greiple 2010 Victories
>
>     * Stage win at the Giro
>     * Five stage wins and points jersey at Tour of Turkey
>     * Stage winner of Volta ao Algarve (held yellow jersey)
>     * Stage win at Challenge Mallorca
>     * Three stage wins of Tour Down Under
>
>  Mark Cavendish 2010 Victories
>
>     * Winner of Stage 2 of Vuelta a Catalunya

When you're pretty darn sure you're not going to ride the TdF, you get
all the early season wins you can, no matter how small the race,
'cause that's all you're going to get.

If you're planning your season around the TdF, you don't care so much
about the TDU or ToT.

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TOPIC: The French Surrender Again
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4b837ae7abe0cd17?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 7:26 pm
From: Henry


On Jun 29, 10:48 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Henry" <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:528165eb-4243-4e7f-a996-6ec3a923f186@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I think India, China (and Russia) all have more population, money (?)
> > and football players. OK, maybe not India :)
>
> Dumbass -
>
> A nation has to be industrialized for a generation or more for the wealth
> (wealth enables time to be spent on leisure activities like sport) to take
> effect.
>
> None of the countries you mention are fully industrialized, not even China.
>
> Note the ascendancy of Japan and South Korea.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

I was sure (and wrong) that after the 2008 Olympics that China would
foucs on football. Big stadii, a premium league, coke snorting
footballers and the WAG's. Mind you, getting caught doping in China
could be a lot more serious than Western countries!


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 8:24 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Jun 28, 7:26 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 10:48 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Henry" <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:528165eb-4243-4e7f-a996-6ec3a923f186@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > I think India, China (and Russia) all have more population, money (?)
> > > and football players. OK, maybe not India :)
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > A nation has to be industrialized for a generation or more for the wealth
> > (wealth enables time to be spent on leisure activities like sport) to take
> > effect.
>
> > None of the countries you mention are fully industrialized, not even China.
>
> > Note the ascendancy of Japan and South Korea.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> I was sure (and wrong) that after the 2008 Olympics that China would
> foucs on football. Big stadii, a premium league, coke snorting
> footballers and the WAG's. Mind you, getting caught doping in China
> could be a lot more serious than Western countries!


Dumbass -

China will put $$$$ into it, but getting to the top in
football(soccer) is a lot harder than a lot of those little Olympic
sports. It's the number one sport for quite a number of fully
industrialized nations whom have a rich tradition in that sport.

It'll take China a generation, just like it's taking the US a
generation. It might even be harder for China since they're going to
be an extremely urbanized nation. Soccer fields will be expensive
infrastructure.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 10:02 pm
From: Scott


On Jun 28, 9:24 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 7:26 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 29, 10:48 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > "Henry" <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:528165eb-4243-4e7f-a996-6ec3a923f186@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > I think India, China (and Russia) all have more population, money (?)
> > > > and football players. OK, maybe not India :)
>
> > > Dumbass -
>
> > > A nation has to be industrialized for a generation or more for the wealth
> > > (wealth enables time to be spent on leisure activities like sport) to take
> > > effect.
>
> > > None of the countries you mention are fully industrialized, not even China.
>
> > > Note the ascendancy of Japan and South Korea.
>
> > > thanks,
>
> > > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> > I was sure (and wrong) that after the 2008 Olympics that China would
> > foucs on football. Big stadii, a premium league, coke snorting
> > footballers and the WAG's. Mind you, getting caught doping in China
> > could be a lot more serious than Western countries!
>
> Dumbass -
>
> China will put $$$$ into it, but getting to the top in
> football(soccer) is a lot harder than a lot of those little Olympic
> sports. It's the number one sport for quite a number of fully
> industrialized nations whom have a rich tradition in that sport.
>
> It'll take China a generation, just like it's taking the US a
> generation. It might even be harder for China since they're going to
> be an extremely urbanized nation. Soccer fields will be expensive
> infrastructure.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

I thought that the beauty of the game was that all you need is a few
kids, a ball, and an empty lot.

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TOPIC: 2010 TdF is the last one for Lance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/952cbf6155ee78d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 8:22 pm
From: Ben Trovato


On Jun 28, 5:33 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/cycling/29cycling.html

"At least two of the people Landis implicated said they had met with
investigators to tell of their past involvement with doping. They did
not provide details of those meetings, but both said they were honest
in responding to the investigators' questions. Those men, long
followers of cycling's code of silence that kept doping a secret, did
not want their names published for fear of retribution during racing
at the Tour."


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 9:23 pm
From: Scott


On Jun 28, 6:33 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...

Perhaps he recognizes his mortality (err... age) and knows that he
can't keep racing at such a high level forever. You can look for
some nefarious reason if you like, I just think he's ready to move
on.

Next year he'll go back to racing w/ an amateur license. I hear he's
after Olheiser's record of two in a row.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 9:56 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<77ed302a-4667-496d-875a-f822fe78de14@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
Ben Trovato <benn.trovato@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 28, 5:33 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
> >
> > http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/cycling/29cycling.html
>
> "At least two of the people Landis implicated said they had met with
> investigators to tell of their past involvement with doping. They did
> not provide details of those meetings, but both said they were honest
> in responding to the investigators' questions. Those men, long
> followers of cycling's code of silence that kept doping a secret, did
> not want their names published for fear of retribution during racing
> at the Tour."

Just watch who LANCE chases down.

--
Old Fritz

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TOPIC: Novitzky gets the Ball rolling
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/96a152be0c7d300f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 8:27 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Jun 28, 4:39 pm, "K. Fred Gauss" <N...@This.Planet> wrote:
> DA74 wrote:
> > On Jun 27, 4:03 pm, "K. Fred Gauss" <N...@This.Planet> wrote:
> >> DA74 wrote:
> >>> Jesus fucking christ boys. This thread is littered with a litany of
> >>> baseless and/or vaguely defined attacks on Lafferty. You guys come out
> >>> swinging with all the grace of drunken cavemen. If he is as full of
> >>> shit as all you jagoffs purport then it shouldn't be too hard to do a
> >>> quick search and present some direct quotes here.
> >> It's been done several times before, as recently as this month.
>
> >> If you're interested, the only time I put much energy into arguing with
> >> Lafferty was July of 2006, when Brian was arguing that:
>
> >> 1. Pro cycling was finally clean
> >>     A. Lance was gone.
> >>     B. Operation Puerto had cleaned up the rest.
>
> >> 2. The tour finally had a clean champion in Landis
> >>     A. He had good days and bad days, he wasn't super consistent like
> >> Lance. That proved he was clean.
> >>     B. He suffered, he wasn't a robot like LANCE.
>
> >> Many people called bullshit on all of the above, Lafferty argued in
> >> predictable ways. Then the failed Landis test came out, Lafferty hung
> >> around for a week or 2 and then disappeared for a couple years.
>
> >> This is a months worth of bullshit I've condensed for you, it's not
> >> possible to find a single post that holds it all. Here's a start:http://tinyurl.com/3acmyua. His message from Jul 21 2006, 11:19 am
> >> should get you going.
>
> > Bro - I'm not talking about anything in this thread but the fact that
> > Lafferty has been right all along about LA. It's true.
> > DA74
>
> If all Lafferty had ever said was that Lance was doping, he wouldn't get
> the reaction he does now. He said too many other, incorrect things along
> the way to claim he was right all along. If we qualify it (as you do)
> that Lafferty was right all along when he said Lance was a doper, I
> don't think there'd be much argument. Definitely none from me, at any rate.
>
> On the other hand, the fact that he fact that he proclaimed Landis and
> Ulrich clean

<snip>


Dumbass -

Just a few months ago Laff@me was ranting on about Flandis and Arnie
Baker as hackers and touting his very own IT expertise.

Laffable indeed.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 9:23 pm
From: "H. Fred Kveck"


In article <DbOdnWLzU-GwXbXRnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 6/27/2010 11:07 PM, H. Fred Kveck wrote:

> > Speaking of learning to "read for comprehension..." I'm aware that you've
> > been posting about doping in here for years. That doesn't alter the fact that
> > you've been posting about the imminent demise of Lance for years too. We
> > know what the investigation is about - yet for you, it's still, at heart, about
> > taking Lance down.
>
> If I have been predicting the "imminent demise of Lance for years," I'm
> not aware of that prediction. If you can dig up a thread in which I
> predicted that, please do. The effect the ongoing criminal
> investigation may be the taking down of Lance, Thom and a number of
> their associates in doping and doping cover up related to mail, wire and
> insurance fraud. I do look forward to that possibility as I view these
> people as disreputable hypocrites and liars. Disagree if you like.

Brian, you're ignoring or trying to bluff your way out of things you've been
saying and wishing for for years, things that you've posted about as recently as mere
days ago. Example: "It's difficult to race while you're in the little room being
interrogated."

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/1b9828b368a09372

I'm starting to think that Amit is pretty close on Och and Weisel being what's
really eating at you. I wonder why?

> > The "revisionist history" is being perpetrated by you by trying to claim that
> > you're glad that Novitsky and co. are going to root out "misuse of government
> > money and insurance fraud." That's just a means to an end: the end of Lance.
> > If you can't see that (and I already know you can't), you're in serious denial.
>
> Actually, that's not what I said and not what I'm happy to see. I'm
> happy to see the criminal investigative power of the Federal government
> focused on the issue of doping in cycling and those at the very top of
> the food chain. That the link allowing or driving the probe is possible
> mail and wire fraud is lovely, IMO.

It is what you've been saying and you just described yourself as being happy to
see it happen! ("That the link allowing or driving the probe is possible mail and
wire fraud is lovely, IMO.") Too funny that you'll deny something and reinforce it
within a couple of sentences.

I think it's fucking retarded to have " the criminal investigative power of the
Federal government focused on the issue of doping in cycling." Cycling is just
another form of >>>entertainment<<< and there are other things far more worthy of the
government spending time and resources on than looking into doping in cycling (that
mostly happened in *Europe*, btw), baseball or any other form of entertainment.

"Carry on..." hahahaha


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 9:34 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:

> Dumbass -
>
> Just a few months ago Laff@me was ranting on about Flandis and Arnie
> Baker as hackers and touting his very own IT expertise.
>
> Laffable indeed.
>

Yeah, stuff like that is silly enough that I almost enjoy having
Lafferty around. But I'm an IT guy, so I might have had a special
appreciation for it.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 8:57 pm
From: "Tony Frankfurt"

The officials Landis named as encouraging doping �
including the former USA Cycling board president Jim
Ochowicz, who is known as the �Godfather of American
cycling� and the Swiss businessman Andy Rihs � are
also gearing up for cycling�s most glamorous event.
Ochowicz and Rihs are co-owners of the BMC Racing team,
which will compete in its first Tour.

Ochowicz, who in 1986 took the first American team to
the Tour de France, said Monday by telephone that he had
not been contacted by investigators and that the federal
fraud inquiry did not worry him.

�It has no effect on me whatsoever,� he said from BMC
Racing�s European headquarters in Belgium. He added that
his initial reaction to Landis�s claims had not changed.
The allegations against him were untrue, unfounded and
unproven, said Ochowicz, who is one of Armstrong�s closest
friends.

�The authorities should absolutely stop it,� Ochowicz said,
referring to cheating in the sport. �But I have no clue
what went on. I wasn�t a part of it.�

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TOPIC: No way Lance is going down
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cdd60ab31261b1aa?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 9:29 pm
From: Phil


Its just nnot going to happen. Lancve is a hero to thousands ofpeople,
most of who could care less about bicycle racing. Lance has raised
millions of dollars for cancer reaserch. He is a regular White Knight.
Thousands of kids are alive today because of his efforts. There is no
frickin way that Lance is going down for doping just because some one
else says he saw him do it or heard about it. If there is a money
trail that leads directly to him or pictures that show him shooting up
then there might be an outside chance of a successful shot at getting
lance on a drug/doping charge. BUT just because Floyfd or Tyler or
anyone else say they saw him do it nothing will happen. You may want
it soooo bad but it just ain't gonna happen. If anyone was going to
get LA for dopng it would have already happened....Right now he is
almost untouchable.


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Could someone send me this paper,please:
Low serum testosterone levels are associated with increased risk of
mortality in a population-based cohort of men aged 20–79
Eur Heart J (2010) 31(12): 1494-1501

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Today's topics:

* Kim Kirchen most likely done with racing - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bc7ff9767a83eebc?hl=en
* Kirchen Possible Heart Attack - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0994eb0b86918592?hl=en
* Cleaning and scrubbing Lafferty - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e13fa72713b23b14?hl=en
* TdF Podium predictions - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8f023468176a0a7d?hl=en
* The French Surrender Again - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4b837ae7abe0cd17?hl=en
* split personality - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5acc658a77a62e25?hl=en
* Dam Nice Photos - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/992baaf80c04851c?hl=en
* For Pedalchick... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/400896d347e1ac31?hl=en
* Novitzky gets the Ball rolling - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/96a152be0c7d300f?hl=en
* 2010 TdF is the last one for Lance - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/952cbf6155ee78d2?hl=en
* How Does He Do It? - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7209f8b5945aec1c?hl=en
* French woman stops Longo's Domination by 4 minutes - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c628b855499c1777?hl=en

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TOPIC: Kim Kirchen most likely done with racing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bc7ff9767a83eebc?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 11:58 am
From: Brad Anders


WPW makes some sense, but I suspect he'd have had many incidents prior
to this year, as you're born with it and the symptoms usually happen
even as a child. There's also some confusion with regard to his "bad
reaction to antibiotics" prior to his first incident this year, either
it's a non-factor or acted in a trigger in some way I don't
understand.

Regardless, if it is WPW, he could get ablation to fix it, with a good
prognosis. Not sure why this would end his career. Maybe it's
something else.

Brad Anders


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 12:21 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jun 28, 9:44 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It turns out several other members of his family have the same
> condition that caused KK's cardiac arrest.  Friends and insiders in LU
> are saying he's out for good.

No just that cousins and uncles also have the problem over the last
two decades. I think there will be an official explanation later.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 2:21 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Anton Berlin" <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7f964762-5000-42cc-a3de-2175c1fd7cf6@i16g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 28, 9:44 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It turns out several other members of his family have the same
> condition that caused KK's cardiac arrest. Friends and insiders in LU
> are saying he's out for good.

=====
No just that cousins and uncles also have the problem over the last
two decades. I think there will be an official explanation later.
=====

Sad that he's finished racing, but fortunate to have pulled through this
episode. It was sounding pretty bad for a while.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 5:42 pm
From: Doug Anderson


Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> writes:

> On 6/28/2010 10:47 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
> > On Jun 28, 7:44 am, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> It turns out several other members of his family have the same
> >> condition that caused KK's cardiac arrest. Friends and insiders in LU
> >> are saying he's out for good.
> >
> > Did you get any info on what it is? A-fib? Long Q-t? I would have
> > thought a genetic rhythm disturbance would have been picked up years
> > ago, I was suspecting it was hypertrophy-induced.
> >
> > Brad Anders
>
>
> I'm curious too. Arrhythmias are hardly rare, even in this
> age group. We have some physicians here, don't we? The only heart
> condition I remember (and I don't remember much) thought to have a
> genetic component is Wolff-Parkinson-White Syndrome:
>
> http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4785

Or for another possibility that we have too little information to
diagnose, google hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.

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TOPIC: Kirchen Possible Heart Attack
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0994eb0b86918592?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 12:29 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jun 22, 9:35 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 3:45 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Brad - date a girl half your age with DD breasts like I do .... works
> > wonders on the blood flow.
>
> Hey, wait a minute... aren't you like 32 or something?? You're not
> Boonen's alter ego, are you?

I'm 47 and would be thanking god if my girlfriend wasn't also an
agnostic non-theist.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 12:31 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jun 22, 11:15 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 8:50 pm, "z, fred" <N...@not.ca> wrote:
>
> > Scott wrote:
> > > On Jun 22, 3:45 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> Brad - date a girl half your age with DD breasts like I do .... works
> > >> wonders on the blood flow.
>
> > > Hey, wait a minute... aren't you like 32 or something?? You're not
> > > Boonen's alter ego, are you?
>
> > I'd say add almost 10 years.
>
> Yeah, but then it wouldn't be funny, just pathetic.

Pathetic is a matter of perspective - friends think I have the
kavorka.

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=qZcaWmd5X9Q&feature=related

.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 12:52 pm
From: Betty


Fred Flintstein wrote:
> The universe of athletes taking EPO is dramatically larger
> than that represented by cyclists taking EPO. For example,
> if you had to do 30min of extra time in the World Cup, EPO
> would make a significant difference. If it was important to
> recover and do it all again in a couple of days you'd have
> a pretty big incentive. Especially considering the money
> involved.

<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article396203.ece>

The normal benefits of faster recovery leading to harder training would
apply.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 1:18 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 6/28/2010 2:52 PM, Betty wrote:
> The normal benefits of faster recovery leading to harder training would
> apply.

Careful, Durex94 really has a weakness for this sort of thing.

Fred Flintstein

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TOPIC: Cleaning and scrubbing Lafferty
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e13fa72713b23b14?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 1:07 pm
From: Betty


DA74 wrote:
>> Colonel Fitts is already hot and bothered - don't tease him too much
>> or he might blow all over his Commodore 64.

B. Lafferty wrote:
> OK. I'll try to be nice. Now if you'll excuse me. I haven't played my
> Atari yet today.

You would probably prefer this one (unfortunately they don't have a
uniball version):

<http://www.giantbomb.com/stroker/61-23184/>
or here to play
<http://c64s.com/game/1891/stroker/>

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TOPIC: TdF Podium predictions
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8f023468176a0a7d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 2:25 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Amit Ghosh" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7ff70b4-3840-453b-b7c5-65e27bf14c6e@y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 25, 5:30 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:

> Jani B is an extreme dark horse, and
> would require a scenario where he was put in charge of checking Contador
> on
> the final parts of the climb... and as the only person on RS who might be
> able to hold his wheel, could end up putting him in a position to be
> supported for the GC.

========
dumbass,

brajkovic is a good rider, but will not be GC material.

he probably has one or two good climbs n him but he will not be a
regular at the front group in the mtns. leipheimer and kloden will
more likely to be high on GC.
========

I agree, but Jani could be put into a very tough spot if he's the guy who
manages to hang onto Contador's wheel and suddenly has a two minute gap on
the rest of the field. Would be very tough to take the position that's not
something to defend. The only way this scenario could play out is if nothing
happens in the Alpes, which Contador believes to be the case.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


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TOPIC: The French Surrender Again
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4b837ae7abe0cd17?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 3:48 pm
From: "Fred Gringioni"

"Henry" <snogfest_hosebeast@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:528165eb-4243-4e7f-a996-6ec3a923f186@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...


> I think India, China (and Russia) all have more population, money (?)
> and football players. OK, maybe not India :)


Dumbass -

A nation has to be industrialized for a generation or more for the wealth
(wealth enables time to be spent on leisure activities like sport) to take
effect.

None of the countries you mention are fully industrialized, not even China.

Note the ascendancy of Japan and South Korea.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


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TOPIC: split personality
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5acc658a77a62e25?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 3:51 pm
From: "Fred Gringioni"

"Henry" <snogfest_hosebeast@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:365890dd-c122-4caf-939b-986d413e32c5@q40g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
: Upon reading through recent posts, I'm becoming aware that certain
: trolls seem to be flaming each other, using different aliases.

<snip>

Dumbass -

Don't know if you're referring to me in the troll collection, but I access
usenet with three different devices and they all use a different program and
different alias. However, all the aliases are versions of Kurgan Gringioni
and I try to sign it the same.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 4:17 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Fred Gringioni wrote:
> "Henry" <snogfest_hosebeast@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:365890dd-c122-4caf-939b-986d413e32c5@q40g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> : Upon reading through recent posts, I'm becoming aware that certain
> : trolls seem to be flaming each other, using different aliases.
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Don't know if you're referring to me in the troll collection, but I access
> usenet with three different devices and they all use a different program and
> different alias. However, all the aliases are versions of Kurgan Gringioni
> and I try to sign it the same.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>

And I generally flame myself using the same alias, so it's not me!

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TOPIC: Dam Nice Photos
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/992baaf80c04851c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 3:54 pm
From: "GoneBeforeMyTime"


I can't remember when I have seen so many stunning quality photos which tell
the story from start to finish. They were loaded at good size and resolution
for the slideshow. The colors are awesome, the detail and sharpness precise,
very nice job, and at full screen this slideshow rocks!

British Road Nationals
http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishcycling/sets/72157624252506147/

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TOPIC: For Pedalchick...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/400896d347e1ac31?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 4:30 pm
From: "marco"


http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/usa-cycling-junior-u23-elite-road-national-championships-cn-1/day-4/photos/127647

...or, if that link doesn't work:
http://tinyurl.com/28fkn53

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TOPIC: Novitzky gets the Ball rolling
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/96a152be0c7d300f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 4:39 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


DA74 wrote:
> On Jun 27, 4:03 pm, "K. Fred Gauss" <N...@This.Planet> wrote:
>> DA74 wrote:
>>> Jesus fucking christ boys. This thread is littered with a litany of
>>> baseless and/or vaguely defined attacks on Lafferty. You guys come out
>>> swinging with all the grace of drunken cavemen. If he is as full of
>>> shit as all you jagoffs purport then it shouldn't be too hard to do a
>>> quick search and present some direct quotes here.
>> It's been done several times before, as recently as this month.
>>
>> If you're interested, the only time I put much energy into arguing with
>> Lafferty was July of 2006, when Brian was arguing that:
>>
>> 1. Pro cycling was finally clean
>> A. Lance was gone.
>> B. Operation Puerto had cleaned up the rest.
>>
>> 2. The tour finally had a clean champion in Landis
>> A. He had good days and bad days, he wasn't super consistent like
>> Lance. That proved he was clean.
>> B. He suffered, he wasn't a robot like LANCE.
>>
>> Many people called bullshit on all of the above, Lafferty argued in
>> predictable ways. Then the failed Landis test came out, Lafferty hung
>> around for a week or 2 and then disappeared for a couple years.
>>
>> This is a months worth of bullshit I've condensed for you, it's not
>> possible to find a single post that holds it all. Here's a start:http://tinyurl.com/3acmyua. His message from Jul 21 2006, 11:19 am
>> should get you going.
>
> Bro - I'm not talking about anything in this thread but the fact that
> Lafferty has been right all along about LA. It's true.
> DA74

If all Lafferty had ever said was that Lance was doping, he wouldn't get
the reaction he does now. He said too many other, incorrect things along
the way to claim he was right all along. If we qualify it (as you do)
that Lafferty was right all along when he said Lance was a doper, I
don't think there'd be much argument. Definitely none from me, at any rate.

On the other hand, the fact that he fact that he proclaimed Landis and
Ulrich clean counts heavily against any insight that might be claimed by
having made that observation. I know you aren't talking about that, but
it'd be unreasonable for you expect everyone else to ignore it.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 4:59 pm
From: DA74


On Jun 28, 4:39 pm, "K. Fred Gauss" <N...@This.Planet> wrote:
> DA74 wrote:
> > On Jun 27, 4:03 pm, "K. Fred Gauss" <N...@This.Planet> wrote:
> >> DA74 wrote:
> >>> Jesus fucking christ boys. This thread is littered with a litany of
> >>> baseless and/or vaguely defined attacks on Lafferty. You guys come out
> >>> swinging with all the grace of drunken cavemen. If he is as full of
> >>> shit as all you jagoffs purport then it shouldn't be too hard to do a
> >>> quick search and present some direct quotes here.
> >> It's been done several times before, as recently as this month.
>
> >> If you're interested, the only time I put much energy into arguing with
> >> Lafferty was July of 2006, when Brian was arguing that:
>
> >> 1. Pro cycling was finally clean
> >>     A. Lance was gone.
> >>     B. Operation Puerto had cleaned up the rest.
>
> >> 2. The tour finally had a clean champion in Landis
> >>     A. He had good days and bad days, he wasn't super consistent like
> >> Lance. That proved he was clean.
> >>     B. He suffered, he wasn't a robot like LANCE.
>
> >> Many people called bullshit on all of the above, Lafferty argued in
> >> predictable ways. Then the failed Landis test came out, Lafferty hung
> >> around for a week or 2 and then disappeared for a couple years.
>
> >> This is a months worth of bullshit I've condensed for you, it's not
> >> possible to find a single post that holds it all. Here's a start:http://tinyurl.com/3acmyua. His message from Jul 21 2006, 11:19 am
> >> should get you going.
>
> > Bro - I'm not talking about anything in this thread but the fact that
> > Lafferty has been right all along about LA. It's true.
> > DA74
>
> If we qualify it (as you do)
> that Lafferty was right all along when he said Lance was a doper, I
> don't think there'd be much argument. Definitely none from me, at any rate.


Well then Princeps Mathematicorum, as the silver tongued troubadour
Fred Durst would say, "We're in agreeance."

JGBüttner74

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TOPIC: 2010 TdF is the last one for Lance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/952cbf6155ee78d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 5:33 pm
From: DA74


Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnVruNf


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 5:45 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/28/2010 8:33 PM, DA74 wrote:
> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnVruNf

Didn't he say something like this a few years ago? It could all be moot
if the French police haul him in this year. I'll bet Willy Voet could
give him some pointers on how to handle himself. Taxi anyone?


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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 5:50 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


Miguel Indurain that is. The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
doper. Is it because everyone assumes that he was?


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 5:57 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> doper.  Is it because everyone assumes that he was?


Dumbass -

Yes.

BTW, that's one of the biggest pieces of evidence that LemonD was out
for LANCE and Flandis simply because they're Americans who won the TdF
(and therefore a threat to his legacy). Indurain was a guy who
actually beat him in a TdF. Yet LemonD never says jack about dirty
Indurain (or dirty Bugno or dirty Chiapucci).

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 5:59 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> doper.

Dumbass -

I forgot to answer the question: it's because Indurain is a nice guy.
Doping isn't a crime against humanity and everyone likes Miguel so no
one says anything.

It'd be different if people (like you) had an axe to grind.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 6:06 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/28/2010 8:59 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
> On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Miguel Indurain that is. The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
>> for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
>> doper.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I forgot to answer the question: it's because Indurain is a nice guy.
> Doping isn't a crime against humanity and everyone likes Miguel so no
> one says anything.
>
> It'd be different if people (like you) had an axe to grind.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Nobody really knows if he's a nice guy or not. He's never spoken enough
for anyone to form an opinion--except maybe his wife, maybe.

I vaguely recall that Joe Freil had an interesting explanation in one of
his early books for why he was able to climb so well. Part of it was
that he lost some weight. Sounds familiar.


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 6:07 pm
From: Phil H


On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> doper.  Is it because everyone assumes that he was?

Don't you remember discussing his weight loss and improved climbing
performance. To discuss anyone as a serious doper you have to have
serious evidence not just hearsay from disgruntled ex-team mates, ex-
wives, ex-employees etc etc.

What up.....not enough LA doping action?

Phil H


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 6:13 pm
From: --D-y


On Jun 28, 7:59 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> > for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> > doper.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I forgot to answer the question: it's because Indurain is a nice guy.
> Doping isn't a crime against humanity and everyone likes Miguel so no
> one says anything.
>
> It'd be different if people (like you) had an axe to grind.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Yup, it's some kind of personality thing, or something.
--D-y

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 6:12 pm
From: SHUSSBAR


On Jun 26, 5:21 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
> M lodie Lesueur wins solo in the French national road racehttp://www.cyclingnews.com/races/french-road-championships-ne/elite-w...

LONGO won the time trial though. She prepared mostly for TT that now.


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NEWS
* G20 Nations Can Promote Multipolar Growth
* G8 Nations Expand Maternal and Child Health Efforts
* Bank Appoints Special Envoy for Climate Change
* Developing Countries Pilot Climate Action
* Tuvalu Joins the World Bank
* Latin America: Technology to Improve Disaster Prevention
 
 
PUBLICATIONS
* Russia Navigates Bumpy Recovery
 
 
EVENTS AND DISCUSSIONS
* World Bank Praxis Discussion Series: Women & Development
 
 
REGIONAL NEWS AND PROJECTS
Africa
East Asia and Pacific
Europe and Central Asia
Latin America and the Caribbean
Middle East and North Africa
South Asia
 
 
RESULTS
* Polio Declines in Nigeria
* Nigeriens Combat Climate, Food Crises

 
BUSINESS AND CAREER OPPORTUNITIES
* Ombudsman
 
 
ON THE BLOGS
* A Path Out of Conflict
 
 
IN DEPTH
* Delivering Results for the World's Poorest Countries
 
 
DID YOU KNOW?
* Sports Can Help Achieve Development Goals
 
 


 

NEWS
 
 
G20 Nations Can Promote Multipolar Growth
The most important thing that the G20 can do for development is to secure a strong recovery in growth, according to a Bank report submitted to the recent G20 summit in Toronto. Promotion of strong, multipolar growth in developing countries would be a global "win-win," as it would support development in poorer countries and contribute to strong growth at the global level. Read More
 
 
G8 Nations Expand Maternal and Child Health Efforts
Each year in developing countries, more than 350,000 women die due to pregnancy and childbirth complications; 8 million children under 5 die from preventable causes. As momentum builds for greater investment to meet the Millennium Development Goals, health systems approaches in Rwanda, Nepal and elsewhere shine as examples of how to reduce infant and child mortality rates. Read More
 
 
Bank Appoints Special Envoy for Climate Change
The Bank announced the appointment of Andrew Steer as Special Envoy for Climate Change, a new position created amid unprecedented demand from developing countries for Bank support in their efforts to address development and climate change as interlinked challenges. Steer will guide the Bank's work on climate change, oversee the Climate Investment Fund, co-chair the Strategic Climate Fund, and help mobilize climate financing. Read More
 
 
Developing Countries Pilot Climate Action
Three groups of developing countries received support from the climate investment funds for initiatives that will transform their approach to development and poverty reduction. The pilot programs cover a variety of climate action approaches, from scaling up renewable energy in Nepal, to reducing deforestation in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Read More
 
 
Tuvalu Joins the World Bank
The World Bank Group's 187th member, Tuvalu has a population of just over 12,000 and a total land area of 26 square kilometers, making it the smallest member. The country faces significant development challenges, and is particularly vulnerable to climate change. "We look forward to working with the government of Tuvalu to help improve development outcomes and bring about positive change in people's lives," said Jim Adams, World Bank Vice President for the East Asia and Pacific region. Read More
 
 
Latin America: Technology to Improve Disaster Prevention
Demand for World Bank disaster risk management services in Latin America has almost doubled in the last few years. The current span of regional activities has emphasized vulnerability reduction, encouraging innovations such as a web-based application to improve a landslide prediction model that won Global Random Hacks of Kindness' 'hackathon.' Other innovations include 'crowdsourcing' of risk assessment and web-based mapping applications. Read More
 
 
 
 
 
Russia Navigates Bumpy Recovery
Against heightened global uncertainties, Russia is experiencing a bumpy economic recovery supported by rising household consumption. However, high unemployment continues, and credit and investment activity is still limited, says the World Bank's new Russian Economic Report. Real GDP in Russia is expected to grow by 4.5% in 2010 followed by a 4.8% growth in 2011. Read More
 
 
 
EVENTS AND DISCUSSIONS
 
World Bank Praxis Discussion Series: Women & Development
Over the past 40 years women's health and education have improved, but their economic status hasn't changed much. Economic participation can change the patterns of traditional behavior that women are bound to as dependent members of the household. Four experts recently discussed these issues as part of a panel moderated by Olivia Rousset. Watch the Discussion
 
 
  
REGIONAL NEWS AND PROJECTS
 
Monthly Operational Summary of proposed projects in all regions
 
 
 
Africa
 
 
Partnership to Boost Access to Health Care in Lesotho
Lesotho's health sector faces daunting challenges including battling the world's third highest HIV/AIDS prevalence rate, low life expectancy, and an over-burdened health care system. A new public-private partnership is tackling these problems by replacing facilities that operate at minimal levels, with new facilities that can provide quality care for patients and improved working conditions for staff. Read More
 
 
Chad: Second Population and HIV/AIDS Project
$20 million for programs that encourage the Chadian population to adopt behaviors which will reduce the risk of HIV infection and too closely spaced and/or unintended pregnancies, thus contributing to progress towards the Millennium Development Goals. Read More
 
 
Cameroon – Competitive Value Chains Project
$30 million to contribute to the growth of the sustainable wood processing and ecotourism industries by improving their competitiveness and the investment climate. Read More
 
 
Ghana: Energy Development and Access Project
$70 million to help the Electricity Company of Ghana overhaul the physical infrastructure to reduce technical losses, improve supply quality to clients, connect more customers, and increase revenue collection in the project areas. Read More
 
 
Ghana: eGhana Project
$44.7 million for the ongoing eGhana Project that is working to generate growth and employment by leveraging information and communication technologies. The project focuses in creating the enabling environment necessary for the growth of the sector, support local ICT businesses and promote e-government applications. Read More
 
 
Ghana – Sustainable Rural Water and Sanitation Project
$75 million to expand access to and ensure sustainability of water and sanitation services in six rural communities over the next six years. Read More
 
 
Uganda – Agricultural Technology and Agribusiness Advisory Services
$120 million to increase agricultural productivity and commercialization through the development of agricultural technology and advisory service systems. Read More
 
For more information on the Africa region...
 
 
 
East Asia and Pacific
 
 
Indonesia Consolidates Robust Economic Performance
Indonesia continues to consolidate its robust economic performance. While risks remain large with capital flows and financial markets recently volatile, policy makers have managed this adeptly. Growth remains solid and inflation moderate according to the recently released Indonesia Economic Quarterly, which also raised Indonesia's growth forecasts for 2011. Read More
 
 
China – Energy Efficiency Financing II Project
$100 million to improve the energy efficiency of selected enterprises by scaling-up commercial lending for energy efficiency investments. Read More
 
 
Vietnam: Support for Transition to a Middle Income Country
$456.5 million, in four credits, to support Vietnam's development efforts. The credits will help create an innovative and market-responsive higher education system in Vietnam, build government capacity to plan and prepare public investments efficiently. Read More
 
For more information on the East Asia and Pacific region...
 
 
 
Europe and Central Asia
 
 
Tajikistan: Ferghana Valley Water Resource Management Project
$10 million as additional financing to increase the coverage of the drained and irrigated areas in Bobojon Gafurov and Kannibodom districts, strengthen the early warning system of the Kayrakkum dam, and assess geotechnical risks associated with the dam. Read More
 
 
Tajikistan: Fourth Programmatic Development Policy Grant
$ 25.4 million to help the government mitigate the impact of the global economic slowdown and to help it continue to implement its medium-term reform program. The grant will also enable the government to maintain its health, education, and social protection services. Read More
 
 
Moldova: Economic Recovery Development Policy Operation
$25 million to adequately fund priority expenditures for economic recovery and social protection during fiscal correction, and lay the foundations for a sustained post-crisis recovery in Moldova through exports and private investment. Read More
 
For more information on the Europe and Central Asia region...
 
 
 
Middle East and North Africa
 
 
Achieving Better Health in Middle East and North Africa
The Middle East and North Africa region has recorded one of the fastest rates of decline in child mortality among all the developing regions. But it still characterized by inefficient and inequitable health outcomes. A recent regional health policy forum focused on equity, quality and efficiency in health and health care, and recognized the best scientific papers and documentaries tackling these issues. Read More
 
 
Commitment in an Uncertain Environment
Mariam Sherman, the World Bank's new Country Director for West Bank and Gaza talks about the challenges and opportunities there. The pressures in conflict situations often result in economic aid fulfilling a humanitarian function, and we need to strike the correct balance between response to short-term needs and attention to long-term goals, she said. Watch the Video | Read More
 
 
West Bank and Gaza: Supporting Economic Recovery
$55 million for projects in the West Bank and Gaza to support Palestinian economic recovery and development. The funding, channeled through the Trust Fund for the West Bank and Gaza, will support projects in water and sanitation, land administration, social services, NGO development and public sector capacity building. Read More
 
For more information on the Middle East and North Africa region...
 
 
 
South Asia
 
 
World Bank Lends Record $9.3 billion to India
The World Bank's lending to India for the fiscal year ending June 2010 will reach $9.3 billion. The lending responds to the government's request to help insulate its capital markets from the global slowdown; to remove infrastructure constraints to growth; and to continue delivering essential social services. 
 
 
India: National Cyclone Risk Mitigation Project
$255 million to help India mitigate the risks and vulnerability of its people to natural disasters, especially cyclones. The project will improve early warning and communication systems and enhance capacity of local communities to respond to disasters, among others. Read More
 
 
Bangladesh – Chittagong Water Supply Improvement and Sanitation Project
$170 million to increase access to potable water and improved sanitation. The project will also support the establishment of a long-term water supply, sanitation and drainage infrastructure development and management. Read More
 
 
Bangladesh –"Nuton Jibon" Project
$115 million to improve the quality of life and resilience to an unpredictable climate, and natural hazards and disasters affecting the rural poor—especially marginalized and vulnerable households.
 
 
Bangladesh – Municipal Services Project
$42 million to expand improvements in urban infrastructure and municipal financial and management capacity. Read More
 
For more information on the South Asia region
 
 
 
 
 
Polio Declines in Nigeria
Between 2003 and 2007, Nigeria registered an average of 1,000 cases of polio each year. But just three cases of the disease have been registered so far in 2010. This sharp decline can be attributed to efforts to challenge misconceptions about the vaccine, with help from traditional leaders. Following introduction of  this initiative, Nigeria saw a 92% decline in reported cases of polio in 2009 alone. Read More
 
 
Nigeriens Combat Climate, Food Crises
When floods washed away livelihoods in Agadez, Niger last year, the World Bank-financed Community Action Program provided immediate assistance to villagers. Commune leaders came together to evaluate needs, and secured pumps, cattle, seeds and fertilizer. The Community Action Program has also provided assistance to Nigeriens battling drought, climate and food crises. With food insecurity rising, the program helped establish 136 cereal banks across Niger.
Slideshow  | Read More
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ombudsman
The World Bank Group is recruiting an individual with extensive successful experience in conflict resolution to fill a position of ombudsman. The Bank Group's Ombuds Services Office provides assistance in the informal resolution of conflicts and other issues brought to the attention of the office, monitors trends and emerging issues, and provides views and advice on ways to improve the workplace environment. Read More
 
 
 
 
 
 
A Path Out of Conflict
Twenty-two of the 34 countries furthest from reaching the Millennium Development Goals are conflict-ridden. Insecurity and conflict constitute a global crisis with significant development consequences, said World Bank Chief Economist Justin Yifu Lin, sketching out some of the early directions coming out of the consultative process for the Bank's 2011 World Development Report on conflict, security and development. Read More
 
 
For more on the Blogs
 
 
IN DEPTH
 
 
Delivering Results for the World's Poorest Countries
The World Bank's concessional finance window, the International Development Association (IDA), is hard at work, delivering results for the poorest countries. Whether it is reducing malaria by 30% in Zambia, improving health systems to drastically increase life expectancies in Armenia, or expanding access to water to 94% of the population of Burkina Faso, IDA has been improving development outcomes in 79 countries. Learn more about what IDA is doing, watch a video of its results, and track IDA's progress with an interactive timeline. Website | Interactive Timeline | Video
 
 
 
 
 
Sports Can Help Achieve Development Goals
While many of us are eagerly following the World Cup football games in South Africa, Youthink! takes a closer look at how sports can be a tool for development. Slideshow | Read More
 
 
 
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