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1. Subtilosin A, a New Antibiotic Peptide Produced by Bacillus subtilis 168: Isolation, Structural Analysis, and Biogenesis1 J. Biochem, 1985, Vol. 98, No. 3 585-603
PMID: 3936839

2 Proteome Analysis of the Penicillin Producer Penicillium chrysogenum
June 1, 2010 Molecular & Cellular Proteomics, 9, 1182-1198.
doi: 10.1074/mcp.M900327-MCP200

3 Pore-forming properties of iturin A, a lipopeptide antibiotic. Biochimica et Biophysica Acta (BBA) - Biomembranes Volume 815, Issue 3, 28 May 1985, Pages 405-409 ,
doi:10.1016/0005-2736(85)90367-0

4 Foaming Properties of Lipopeptides Produced by Bacillus subtilis: Effect of Lipid and Peptide Structural Attributes
J. Agric. Food Chem., 1998, 46 (3), pp 911–916
DOI: 10.1021/jf970592d

5 Isolation and Partial Characterization of Antifungal Metabolites Produced by Bacillus sp. IBA 33
Current Microbiology
Volume 59, Number 6 / December, 2009, 646-650
DOI: 10.1007/s00284-009-9489-5

6 Purification and partial characterization of antifungal metabolite from Paenibacillus lentimorbus WJ5
World Journal of Microbiology and Biotechnology
Volume 24, Number 12 / December, 2008, 3057-3062
DOI: 10.1007/s11274-008-9852-x



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rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 7 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Cav in Greipel out! Milk-A-Waaaaaaaat? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dde023aea291feca?hl=en
* 2010 TdF is the last one for Lance - 7 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/952cbf6155ee78d2?hl=en
* How Does He Do It? - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7209f8b5945aec1c?hl=en
* Kirchen Possible Heart Attack - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0994eb0b86918592?hl=en
* The French Surrender Again - 5 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4b837ae7abe0cd17?hl=en
* No way Lance is going down - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cdd60ab31261b1aa?hl=en
* My ignorance - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3ba51efe13f562ca?hl=en

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TOPIC: Cav in Greipel out! Milk-A-Waaaaaaaat?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dde023aea291feca?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:32 am
From: Michael Press


In article
<89b4add4-286e-432f-bef9-fd87b81a041d@d16g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 28, 11:06 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <939108e9-2abf-4304-9cc5-54be2de3d...@a3g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >  TheCoz <cycled...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well, I have been wondering why this is, comparing the win list for
> > > 2010 on these two riders.
> > > With a 1 to 10 and Cav's asshole attitude, it seems Greiple would be
> > > the better sprinter to work for.
> > > Coz
> >
> > >  Andre Greiple 2010 Victories
> >
> > >     * Stage win at the Giro
> > >     * Five stage wins and points jersey at Tour of Turkey
> > >     * Stage winner of Volta ao Algarve (held yellow jersey)
> > >     * Stage win at Challenge Mallorca
> > >     * Three stage wins of Tour Down Under
> >
> > >  Mark Cavendish 2010 Victories
> >
> > >     * Winner of Stage 2 of Vuelta a Catalunya
> >
> > Past performance is not an indicator of future performance.
>
> As a disclaimer for the market, perhaps... but for athletic
> performance, you bet it is.

I bet Cavendish wins three stages in the TdF.

--
Michael Press


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 11:02 am
From: bar


On Jun 29, 11:32 am, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <89b4add4-286e-432f-bef9-fd87b81a0...@d16g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>  Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 28, 11:06 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <939108e9-2abf-4304-9cc5-54be2de3d...@a3g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > >  TheCoz <cycled...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Well, I have been wondering why this is, comparing the win list for
> > > > 2010 on these two riders.
> > > > With a 1 to 10 and Cav's asshole attitude, it seems Greiple would be
> > > > the better sprinter to work for.
> > > > Coz
>
> > > >  Andre Greiple 2010 Victories
>
> > > >     * Stage win at the Giro
> > > >     * Five stage wins and points jersey at Tour of Turkey
> > > >     * Stage winner of Volta ao Algarve (held yellow jersey)
> > > >     * Stage win at Challenge Mallorca
> > > >     * Three stage wins of Tour Down Under
>
> > > >  Mark Cavendish 2010 Victories
>
> > > >     * Winner of Stage 2 of Vuelta a Catalunya
>
> > > Past performance is not an indicator of future performance.
>
> > As a disclaimer for the market, perhaps... but for athletic
> > performance, you bet it is.
>
> I bet Cavendish wins three stages in the TdF.
>
> --
> Michael Press

Cav knew this is how it'd play out way back in april: "There's no
chance he's coming to a bike race that I'm in. Me on bad form is still
better than him."

Greipel to Milram in 2011 ...

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TOPIC: 2010 TdF is the last one for Lance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/952cbf6155ee78d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:44 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/29/2010 10:36 AM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Jun 29, 1:02 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 6/29/2010 12:56 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
>>> Ben Trovato<benn.trov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 5:33 pm, DA74<davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>>
>>>>> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...
>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/cycling/29cycling.html
>>
>>>> "At least two of the people Landis implicated said they had met with
>>>> investigators to tell of their past involvement with doping. They did
>>>> not provide details of those meetings, but both said they were honest
>>>> in responding to the investigators� questions. Those men, long
>>>> followers of cycling�s code of silence that kept doping a secret, did
>>>> not want their names published for fear of retribution during racing
>>>> at the Tour."
>>
>>> Just watch who LANCE chases down.
>>
>> Lance won't do anything this time around. His lawyers have undoubtedly
>> explained the concept of obstructing justice to him.
>
> Ongoing court proceedings should not deter
> teams from chasing, or not chasing, riders if
> they want to. That is, it's all well and good to
> say that teams shouldn't alter the sporting
> outcome because of issues outside the course.
> But then, should teams' tactical decisions be
> based on fear of the implications outside the
> course? Should LANCE ask Johan to call off
> chasing a break because it has a former teammate
> in it and LANCE is afraid that that teammate has
> been talking and therefore chasing will increase
> his legal jeopardy? How is that better?
>
> Once you open this box, you can't put the contents
> back in. This is why you are a dumbass and criminal
> investigations of sporting offenses are a mistake
> from the beginning. Sporting penalties for sporting
> offenses - it's the only sensible way.
>
> Fredmaster Ben

I think what people are referring to are the scenes with Bassons and
what's his name? Also, at this point, Armstrong probably doesn't know
who has said what to Novitsky or any other investigator.


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:45 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/29/2010 11:04 AM, Fred on a stick wrote:
> On 6/29/2010 4:36 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>> Sporting penalties for sporting
>> offenses - it's the only sensible way.
>
> Which explains why Brian would never support it.

Thanks for your attempted assistance, but I'll speak for myself, if
that's OK with you. :-)


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:47 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/29/2010 11:21 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
> On Jun 28, 5:33 pm, DA74<davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>>
>> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...
>
> Yeah. I speculate that he'll be tested repeatedly throughout this last
> TdF, and all his controls will return negative. He'll do well, but
> won't win. After he retires, Landis, Novitsky, the AFLD, and WADA will
> pursue him for years, but never get anywhere. Lance will continue to
> hook up with women who look like his mom, and will father 5 more kids.
> He will continue to get outrageous endorsement contracts, ride and win
> MTB races, do some more running, and eventually run for US Senate and
> win. He'll make a road racing comeback at 50 as a fatty masters,
> sponsored by Michelob Ultra, which he will drink during races from a
> solar powered, Peltier-cooled water bottle. He'll continue to serve in
> the Senate for 25 years, hobknob with the rich and famous, and at 75,
> be killed on his bike by a redneck that he flipped off.
>
> Is that enough speculation for you?
>
> Brad Anders

How about this week's PowerBall numbers?


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:51 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 6/29/2010 10:21 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
> He'll make a road racing comeback at 50 as a fatty masters,
> sponsored by Michelob Ultra, which he will drink during races from a
> solar powered, Peltier-cooled water bottle.

That would be so.fucking.cool!!

Except for the Michelob part.

Fred Flintstein


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 9:33 am
From: DA74


On Jun 29, 7:36 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 1:02 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > On 6/29/2010 12:56 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
> > >   Ben Trovato<benn.trov...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
>
> > >> On Jun 28, 5:33 pm, DA74<davidasto...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
> > >>> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>
> > >>>http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...
>
> Once you open this box, you can't put the contents
> back in.  This is why you are a dumbass and criminal
> investigations of sporting offenses are a mistake
> from the beginning.  Sporting penalties for sporting
> offenses - it's the only sensible way.
>
> Fredmaster Ben- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Fucktardmaster Ben,
What if the box contained conspiracy to purchase, distribute and
administer both approved and unapproved pharmaceuticals intended to
treat cancer patients and animals, blood transfusions being performed
in hotel rooms and vehicles on the roadsides by unlicensed
practitioners all paid for with money extracted from an agency of the
US Government so as to enhance winnings, salaries, sponsorships and
careers?


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 9:37 am
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"


On Jun 29, 11:51 am, Fred Flintstein
<bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
> On 6/29/2010 10:21 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
>
> > He'll make a road racing comeback at 50 as a fatty masters,
> > sponsored by Michelob Ultra, which he will drink during races from a
> > solar powered, Peltier-cooled water bottle.
>
> That would be so.fucking.cool!!
>
> Except for the Michelob part.

too late on the Michelob part. There is already a Michelob Ultra
cycling team: http://bit.ly/b1R6wJ and I'm sure they're already
recruiting LANCE.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 9:38 am
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 29, 8:51 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 6/29/2010 10:21 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
>
> > He'll make a road racing comeback at 50 as a fatty masters,
> > sponsored by Michelob Ultra, which he will drink during races from a
> > solar powered, Peltier-cooled water bottle.
>
> That would be so.fucking.cool!!
>
> Except for the Michelob part.
>
> Fred Flintstein

It will just look like he's drinking Ultra. Actually, the bottle will
contain Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. You don't think a retired LANCE would
actually drink tha Ultra shit, do you?

Brad Anders

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TOPIC: How Does He Do It?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7209f8b5945aec1c?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 9:04 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 6/29/2010 10:13 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
> I know that having any actual proof of doping isn't required to label
> anyone who wins a bike race a doper, but I've never seen strong
> evidence that Indurain was a doper. His rise to the top in the TdF was
> preceeded by a reasonable progression in placing, he was an extremely
> consistent performer through the racing year (unlike up/down dopers
> like Berzin and his ilk), and when the hardcore dopers like Riis came
> along, they blew his ass out of the water. His TT performances came
> from his high VO2max and large size resulting in ridiculous power
> levels. He was more of a hanger-on in the mountains, occasionally
> showing brilliance when others let their guard down. I could be wrong
> about this, but I don't recall him ever having borderline doping
> incidents, nor too many shady associations.

In most years Indurain also brought the strongest team. Just
ask Toni Rominger what it was like to have to attack after
the Banesto guys had spent the day riding tempo in the
mountains. This was especially true after the Spanish Amaya
team failed and was absorbed by Banesto.

Indurain's problems in 1996 also coincided with what was
probably his weakest team in support.

Fred Flintstein


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 10:03 am
From: Phil H


On Jun 29, 3:58 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/29/2010 4:52 AM, drmofe wrote:> On Jun 29, 12:50 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> >> Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> >> for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> >> doper.  Is it because everyone assumes that he was?
>
> > Indurain was clean, by the standards of the time.
> > This has been covered here before, many times.
>
> ROTFL!!

No one can say that anyone is clean but when you stop ROTFL tell us
what you've got on him so far. You started this muck raking thread so
put up or shut up.

Phil H


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 11:58 am
From: Anton Berlin


You can tell who the dopers are simply by looking at the cyclists they
put on the stage at the end of the race.

( I wish this was TIC )

The reason Armstrong is so god damn annoying is that he pretends and
vouches he's clean the loudest and most frequently.

It appeals to people's sense of justice and fair play if he's exposed
once and for all.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 12:01 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 29, 11:58 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You can tell who the dopers are simply by looking at the cyclists they
> put on the stage at the end of the race.
>
> ( I wish this was TIC )
>
> The reason Armstrong is so god damn annoying is that he pretends and
> vouches he's clean the loudest and most frequently.
>
> It appeals to people's sense of justice and fair play if he's exposed
> once and for all.

Don't tell me - you were a hall monitor in elementary school, right?

Brad Anders

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TOPIC: Kirchen Possible Heart Attack
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0994eb0b86918592?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 9:05 am
From: Amit Ghosh

> Dumbass,
>
> You can die from drinking too much orange juice.
>
> Can you die in your sleep from orange juice intoxication?
> I doubt it, but if you are careful to moderate your
> intake, the chances probably drop to zero.  Arguably
> the same is true for hematocrit modification - this is
> one of the few places where I agree with D-y that
> there is a direct conflict between athletes' health
> and driving doping practices underground or into the
> hands of amateurs.  At least the 50% limit attempts
> to serve both interests.  So far as I can tell, there is
> no evidence that long term EPO low or micro-dosage use
> has a negative effect on athletes' post-career health.
> It is probably more innocuous than steroids.
>
> Zanoli, Jimenez and Pantani all exhibited some or
> substantial symptoms of depression and for one or two
> of them recreational drugs may have been contributory.
> That doesn't make their deaths any less tragic, but
> it does suggest that depression is significantly more
> dangerous to athletes' health than is EPO.
>

dumbass,

i'm not as dismissive as you.

it may seem reasonable that as long as you keep hct below some level
one avoids adverse effects, but there are a lot of unknowns.

what is the effect of maintaining a hct that is 15% higher than the
hct that one naturally developed with ? there might be structural
changes to the heart. the heart isn't a mechanical pump, it is a
growing organ and it's structure determines how it functions.

unlike orange juice, synthetic EPO is a growth hormone which mimics a
natural hormone and as such it is part of a feedback loop. how is that
feedback effected when one abuses EPO ? hormones typically (always?)
have more than one effect, does EPO effect something other than simply
the growth of red blood cells ?

athletes are also using variants like CERA or transfusions. so even if
low level EPO use is considered safe, what about the alternatives that
are also used?

it's is naive to assume that if you keep hct down it is fairly safe.
perhaps not as dangerous, but if the rate of a severe adverse reaction
is 1/1000 or 5/1000 should the sport not discourage it's use ?

what if i held races on a dangerous course, put up a big prize purse
and 1/1000 competitors died every year because of the nature of the
course ? is that an acceptable risk ?


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 9:46 am
From: Brad Anders


In the long list of potential negative effects on longevity due to a
pro cycling career, I don't thing managed EPO/blood doping use (50%
hct or less) would be that big an issue. I'd worry more about rhythm
disturbances, long-term EIB effects, illiac artery issues, joint
problems, bone mass loss, etc.

As far as drugs go, I'd be more worried about long-term use of
anabolic steroids, HCG, and HGH.

Brad Anders


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 12:02 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<1c4ffac7-c021-42c6-aa87-a93111593733@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Amit Ghosh <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Dumbass,
> >
> > You can die from drinking too much orange juice.
> >
> > Can you die in your sleep from orange juice intoxication?
> > I doubt it, but if you are careful to moderate your
> > intake, the chances probably drop to zero.  Arguably
> > the same is true for hematocrit modification - this is
> > one of the few places where I agree with D-y that
> > there is a direct conflict between athletes' health
> > and driving doping practices underground or into the
> > hands of amateurs.  At least the 50% limit attempts
> > to serve both interests.  So far as I can tell, there is
> > no evidence that long term EPO low or micro-dosage use
> > has a negative effect on athletes' post-career health.
> > It is probably more innocuous than steroids.
> >
> > Zanoli, Jimenez and Pantani all exhibited some or
> > substantial symptoms of depression and for one or two
> > of them recreational drugs may have been contributory.
> > That doesn't make their deaths any less tragic, but
> > it does suggest that depression is significantly more
> > dangerous to athletes' health than is EPO.
> >
>
> dumbass,
>
> i'm not as dismissive as you.
>
> it may seem reasonable that as long as you keep hct below some level
> one avoids adverse effects, but there are a lot of unknowns.
>
> what is the effect of maintaining a hct that is 15% higher than the
> hct that one naturally developed with ? there might be structural
> changes to the heart. the heart isn't a mechanical pump, it is a
> growing organ and it's structure determines how it functions.
>
> unlike orange juice, synthetic EPO is a growth hormone which mimics a
> natural hormone and as such it is part of a feedback loop. how is that
> feedback effected when one abuses EPO ? hormones typically (always?)
> have more than one effect, does EPO effect something other than simply
> the growth of red blood cells ?
>
> athletes are also using variants like CERA or transfusions. so even if
> low level EPO use is considered safe, what about the alternatives that
> are also used?
>
> it's is naive to assume that if you keep hct down it is fairly safe.
> perhaps not as dangerous, but if the rate of a severe adverse reaction
> is 1/1000 or 5/1000 should the sport not discourage it's use ?
>
> what if i held races on a dangerous course, put up a big prize purse
> and 1/1000 competitors died every year because of the nature of the
> course ? is that an acceptable risk ?

This is why an athlete should put on retainer
the very best medical advisors.

--
Old Fritz

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TOPIC: The French Surrender Again
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4b837ae7abe0cd17?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 10:42 am
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Jun 28, 10:02 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 9:24 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
>
>
>
>
>
> <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 28, 7:26 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 29, 10:48 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > "Henry" <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:528165eb-4243-4e7f-a996-6ec3a923f186@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > I think India, China (and Russia) all have more population, money (?)
> > > > > and football players. OK, maybe not India :)
>
> > > > Dumbass -
>
> > > > A nation has to be industrialized for a generation or more for the wealth
> > > > (wealth enables time to be spent on leisure activities like sport) to take
> > > > effect.
>
> > > > None of the countries you mention are fully industrialized, not even China.
>
> > > > Note the ascendancy of Japan and South Korea.
>
> > > > thanks,
>
> > > > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> > > I was sure (and wrong) that after the 2008 Olympics that China would
> > > foucs on football. Big stadii, a premium league, coke snorting
> > > footballers and the WAG's. Mind you, getting caught doping in China
> > > could be a lot more serious than Western countries!
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > China will put $$$$ into it, but getting to the top in
> > football(soccer) is a lot harder than a lot of those little Olympic
> > sports. It's the number one sport for quite a number of fully
> > industrialized nations whom have a rich tradition in that sport.
>
> > It'll take China a generation, just like it's taking the US a
> > generation. It might even be harder for China since they're going to
> > be an extremely urbanized nation. Soccer fields will be expensive
> > infrastructure.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> I thought that the beauty of the game was that all you need is a few
> kids, a ball, and an empty lot.

Dumbass -

In a nation as densely packed as China, there' aren't gonna be too
many empty lots. They'll be better at sports with smaller footprints.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 11:14 am
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jun 28, 7:05 am, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> I think India, China (and Russia) all have more population, money (?)
> and football players. OK, maybe not India :)

dumbass,

india has had domestic pro soccer for a long time. my dad growing up
always had season tickets to his local team.

generally though there isn't a lot of emphasis on elite sports
compared to the west but this is changing as the attitudes become more
western.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 11:16 am
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jun 29, 1:42 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


> Dumbass -
>
> In a nation as densely packed as China, there' aren't gonna be too
> many empty lots. They'll be better at sports with smaller footprints.
>

dumbass,

is that why they invented table tennis ?


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 11:21 am
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Jun 29, 11:16 am, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 1:42 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > In a nation as densely packed as China, there' aren't gonna be too
> > many empty lots. They'll be better at sports with smaller footprints.
>
> dumbass,
>
> is that why they invented table tennis ?

Dumbass -

Did they invent it?

Regardless, it's a good example.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 11:22 am
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Jun 28, 10:18 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I was too cynical I guess, just believed that China would throw a big
> bag of cash at it. Stadii are an investment in keeping the locals happy

Dumbass -

In a nation as land starved as China, getting soccer fields next to
every school is gonna be much more challenging than in other nations.

They shortchange the school infrastructure. See what happened to the
schools in the earthquake. The kids are about the only ones who died.

thanks,

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 12:08 pm
From: Anton Berlin

> Sounds like you're ready to go down on LANCE though.

Betty, please don't out Phil in this public fashion. There are kids
in the room and we musn't offend them with the cocksuckers crazed
attempt to gurgle Lance's one remaining ball

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 12:14 pm
From: Anton Berlin


At the end of my cycling career I considered that if I put the same
effort into being a placekicker I could have made a $500k salary for
10 + years playing for an NFL team vs the trinkets that now adorn my
office wall.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 12:47 pm
From: DA74


On Jun 29, 12:14 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> At the end of my cycling career I considered that if I put the same
> effort into being a placekicker I could have made a $500k salary for
> 10 + years playing for an NFL team vs the trinkets that now adorn my
> office wall.

Only a douchebag would hang a ribbon on the wall for placing 3rd in a
35+ office park crit.

Just Sayin',
DA74


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 1:01 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jun 29, 2:47 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 12:14 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > At the end of my cycling career I considered that if I put the same
> > effort into being a placekicker I could have made a $500k salary for
> > 10 + years playing for an NFL team vs the trinkets that now adorn my
> > office wall.
>
> Only a douchebag would hang a ribbon on the wall for placing 3rd in a
> 35+ office park crit.
>
> Just Sayin',
> DA74

That's ironic.... the rest of the frames are douchebags!


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Date: Tuesday, 29 June, 2010, 21:52


The White House, Washington


Good afternoon,
Yesterday I returned from my fifth trip to the Gulf Coast region since the BP Deepwater Horizon oil rig burned into the sea and left the worst oil spill this country has ever seen in its wake. A team of Administration officials met with Governors, mayors, parish presidents and other local officials from four states and reiterated President Obama's promise to the people of the Gulf Coast region: We will not be satisfied until the leak is stopped, the oil in the Gulf is cleaned up, and the livelihoods of the people in the Gulf Coast region have been fully restored.
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Date: Tuesday, 29 June, 2010, 17:39

Dear friends,
I request you to kindly give following Press release. As IGNOU Regional Centre is trying to improve support services to learners of areas under our jurisdictionm wide dissemination of  relevant informations is very important for us as well as prospective learner community which is not much aware about existence of Regional Centre of IGNOU (Chandigarh) at Panchkula.
We monitored conduct of Term End Examination this time. Learners from this Region and  even stray learners from other Regions also benefitted by our presence as permissionto appear in Exam  can only be given by Regional Director, it was sensitive as well as tough because implications are too many. At times we even arranged emergency Question Papers.Many new Programmes have been introduced.One of these special Programmes relates to Foundation Course in Disability Studies. The examinees were  facilitated by the Regional Centre which had to arrange Question papers as Examinees number enhanced suddenly.Apart from Chandigarh,examination took place at Ambala and Patiala under jurisdiction.
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Jayant Patel, with his wife Kishoree, arrives at court in Brisbane yesterday to hear the jury's verdict. Picture: Philip Norrish Source: The Courier-Mail

 

JAYANT Patel was behind bars last night after a jury convicted him of the manslaughter of three patients and causing grievous bodily harm to a fourth.
The verdict brought to a climax the patient abuse scandal that rocked the Queensland health system.
 
The Indian-trained doctor showed no emotion when the six-man, six-woman jury panel delivered its bombshell verdict at 6.15pm (AEST) last night, after 14 weeks of evidence, more than 75 witnesses and nearly 50 hours of deliberations over six days.
 
Patel's wife, Kishoree, wept silently as her husband was led into the cells, before the packed courtroom.
 
Trial judge John Byrne denied bail to the 60-year-old former director of surgery at Bundaberg Base Hospital.
 
Patel had pleaded not guilty to the manslaughter of Mervyn Morris, 75, Gerry Kemps, 77, and James Phillips, 46. He also pleaded not guilty to causing grievous bodily harm to a fourth patient, Ian Vowles, 63.
 
Asked by Justice Byrne's associate whether he had anything to say after the verdict was delivered, Patel answered: "No, your honour."
 
Last night's unanimous guilty verdicts sparked an outpouring of emotion in both Brisbane and Bundaberg, where the surgeon's patients and the families of his victims had gathered.
Judy Kemps - wife of Gerry Kemps - was tearful and relieved.
 
"My only concern has been that he will go somewhere else and do the same thing, and I didn't want anyone else going through what we went through," Ms Kemps said outside the Queensland Supreme Court in Brisbane.
 
"I feel so relieved it's all over. I'm ready to start my life again."
 
Mr Vowles, who was the only former patient to give evidence in the trial, was overjoyed at the guilty verdict.
 
Dr Patel removed his bowel, declaring it "didn't like" his body and he needed to "whip it out", despite tests showing it was non-cancerous.
 
In Bundaberg last night, Mr Vowles said he was keen to get on with his life after years of stress.
"People mightn't think it has been (affecting me) but it's kind of on your mind all the time, dragging you down," he said.
 
Dr Patel's sentencing has been adjourned until tomorrow. Manslaughter carries a maximum jail sentence of life, and grievous bodily harm up to 14 years' jail.
 
During the trial, the surgeon was accused of possessing a "toxic ego", misdiagnosing patients and rushing into unnecessary, complex surgery on patients too frail to handle the operations.
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Phillips died on May 21, 2003, two days after Dr Patel performed an oesophagectomy on him.
Phillips was a frail, sick man suffering from oesophageal cancer and was also an end-stage renal patient. The Crown argued Patel should never have performed such a complex and dangerous operation on Phillips.
 
Patel removed part of the colon of Morris on May 23, 2003, to treat rectal bleeding. The prosecution argued that Patel misdiagnosed Morris, and the operation did not treat the rectal bleeding. Morris died on June 14, 2003, from respiratory failure, after continued bleeding and poor nutrition.
 
Patel removed Mr Vowles's large bowel on October 4, 2004, despite biopsies on removed polyps showing he was cancer-free. He was left impotent and needing a permanent ileostomy bag. The prosecution said the operation was unnecessary because Mr Vowles did not have cancer.
 
Kemps died on December 21, 2004, after Patel performed an oesophagectomy on him the day before. After the oesophagectomy, Kemps continued to bleed, but Patel did not re-operate until hours later. He could not find the source of the bleeding and Kemps bled to death. The prosecution argued Patel should not have performed the operation in the first place, and that he should have re-opened Kemps immediately.
 
Patel's legal battle will not end with last night's guilty verdicts, and the appeal his lawyers flagged. The former surgeon faces another Supreme Court trial on charges of grievous bodily harm and fraud, but a date has not yet been set.
 
Patel has been committed to stand trial on eight fraud charges.
 
He is accused of dishonestly gaining employment and a salary at the Bundaberg Base Hospital and dishonestly gaining registration as a doctor in Queensland.
 
Patel is also facing a grievous bodily harm charge, relating to his treatment of Darcy Russell Blight.
 
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NEW DELHI: The National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) on Tuesday issued notice to the home ministry over pictures showing security men carrying the bodies of Maoists, including women, with their hands and feet tied to bamboo poles.

Taking suo motu cognizance of media reports, the human rights body has asked the home secretary to submit a factual report on the matter by July 27.

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* How Does He Do It? - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* The French Surrender Again - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* No way Lance is going down - 4 messages, 4 authors
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* 2010 TdF is the last one for Lance - 7 messages, 5 authors
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* Kirchen Possible Heart Attack - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Novitzky gets the Ball rolling - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* what a pic - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Cav in Greipel out! Milk-A-Waaaaaaaat? - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: How Does He Do It?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7209f8b5945aec1c?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 1:52 am
From: drmofe


On Jun 29, 12:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> doper.  Is it because everyone assumes that he was?

Indurain was clean, by the standards of the time.
This has been covered here before, many times.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 3:58 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/29/2010 4:52 AM, drmofe wrote:
> On Jun 29, 12:50 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Miguel Indurain that is. The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
>> for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
>> doper. Is it because everyone assumes that he was?
>
> Indurain was clean, by the standards of the time.
> This has been covered here before, many times.
ROTFL!!


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:13 am
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 28, 5:57 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 5:50 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Miguel Indurain that is.  The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> > for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> > doper.  Is it because everyone assumes that he was?
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Yes.
>
> BTW, that's one of the biggest pieces of evidence that LemonD was out
> for LANCE and Flandis simply because they're Americans who won the TdF
> (and therefore a threat to his legacy). Indurain was a guy who
> actually beat him in a TdF. Yet LemonD never says jack about dirty
> Indurain (or dirty Bugno or dirty Chiapucci).
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

I know that having any actual proof of doping isn't required to label
anyone who wins a bike race a doper, but I've never seen strong
evidence that Indurain was a doper. His rise to the top in the TdF was
preceeded by a reasonable progression in placing, he was an extremely
consistent performer through the racing year (unlike up/down dopers
like Berzin and his ilk), and when the hardcore dopers like Riis came
along, they blew his ass out of the water. His TT performances came
from his high VO2max and large size resulting in ridiculous power
levels. He was more of a hanger-on in the mountains, occasionally
showing brilliance when others let their guard down. I could be wrong
about this, but I don't recall him ever having borderline doping
incidents, nor too many shady associations.

What am I missing here? Is it just that he was a winner that makes him
a doper? If that's the criteria, the UCI should simply give anyone who
wins a major Tour a 2-year ban, and give the win to the 2nd place guy.
There's no doubt he's clean.

Brad Anders

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TOPIC: The French Surrender Again
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 2:39 am
From: "A. Dumas"


Henry wrote:
> Mind you, getting caught doping in China
> could be a lot more serious than Western countries!

Ha ha. Cheating is part of their culture. Actually, as a coaching friend
said who spent some years in China, it not considered cheating if you
can get away with it, then it is just making good use of the opportunities.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 4:38 am
From: Betty


Henry wrote:
>> Mind you, getting caught doping in China
>> could be a lot more serious than Western countries!

A. Dumas wrote:
> Ha ha. Cheating is part of their culture. Actually, as a coaching friend
> said who spent some years in China, it not considered cheating if you
> can get away with it, then it is just making good use of the opportunities.

Turtle blood and 5000m world records in the nineties.

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TOPIC: No way Lance is going down
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cdd60ab31261b1aa?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 3:03 am
From: Keith


On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:29:48 -0700 (PDT), Phil <prh142@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Its just nnot going to happen. Lancve is a hero to thousands ofpeople,
>most of who could care less about bicycle racing. Lance has raised
>millions of dollars for cancer reaserch. He is a regular White Knight.
>Thousands of kids are alive today because of his efforts. There is no
>frickin way that Lance is going down for doping just because some one
>else says he saw him do it or heard about it. If there is a money
>trail that leads directly to him or pictures that show him shooting up
>then there might be an outside chance of a successful shot at getting
>lance on a drug/doping charge. BUT just because Floyfd or Tyler or
>anyone else say they saw him do it nothing will happen. You may want
>it soooo bad but it just ain't gonna happen. If anyone was going to
>get LA for dopng it would have already happened....Right now he is
>almost untouchable.

He is, it will just take time, WADA is guessing 2016
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-armstrong-fraud-investigation-will-take-time?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=news_headlines
and in the meantime he'll have to lie low...


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 6:17 am
From: semi-ambivalent


On Jun 29, 12:25 am, William Fred <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Phil <prh...@gmail.com> wrote in news:889147c1-a7c9-4f31-9a97-7c7569082189
> @z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Thousands of kids are alive today because of his efforts.
>
> And with only one working testicle.  Now I suspect doping.
>
> --
> Bill Fred

The OP's remark is also a resounding slap in the faces of those
researchers and nurses and lowly techs who are actually doing the
research and work and curing. Such is Lancephilia.

sa


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 6:22 am
From: Betty


Phil wrote:
> Its just nnot going to happen. Lancve is a hero to thousands ofpeople,
> most of who could care less about bicycle racing. Lance has raised
> millions of dollars for cancer reaserch. He is a regular White Knight.

Sounds like you're ready to go down on LANCE though.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 6:27 am
From: Andre


On Jun 29, 9:22 am, Betty <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> Phil wrote:
> > Its just nnot going to happen. Lancve is a hero to thousands ofpeople,
> > most of  who could care less about bicycle racing. Lance has raised
> > millions of dollars for cancer reaserch. He is a regular White Knight.
>
> Sounds like you're ready to go down on LANCE though.

Sounds like you're the one giving him a blow job.

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TOPIC: 2010 TdF is the last one for Lance
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 4:02 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/29/2010 12:56 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
> In article
> <77ed302a-4667-496d-875a-f822fe78de14@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> Ben Trovato<benn.trovato@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 28, 5:33 pm, DA74<davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>>>
>>> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/cycling/29cycling.html
>>
>> "At least two of the people Landis implicated said they had met with
>> investigators to tell of their past involvement with doping. They did
>> not provide details of those meetings, but both said they were honest
>> in responding to the investigators' questions. Those men, long
>> followers of cycling's code of silence that kept doping a secret, did
>> not want their names published for fear of retribution during racing
>> at the Tour."
>
> Just watch who LANCE chases down.
>
Lance won't do anything this time around. His lawyers have undoubtedly
explained the concept of obstructing justice to him.


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 6:35 am
From: --D-y


On Jun 29, 6:02 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/29/2010 12:56 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <77ed302a-4667-496d-875a-f822fe78d...@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> >   Ben Trovato<benn.trov...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >> On Jun 28, 5:33 pm, DA74<davidasto...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
> >>> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>
> >>>http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...
>
> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/cycling/29cycling.html
>
> >> "At least two of the people Landis implicated said they had met with
> >> investigators to tell of their past involvement with doping. They did
> >> not provide details of those meetings, but both said they were honest
> >> in responding to the investigators' questions. Those men, long
> >> followers of cycling's code of silence that kept doping a secret, did
> >> not want their names published for fear of retribution during racing
> >> at the Tour."
>
> > Just watch who LANCE chases down.
>
> Lance won't do anything this time around.  His lawyers have undoubtedly
> explained the concept of obstructing justice to him.

Justice... justice for all, Brian?
--D-y


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 7:21 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/29/2010 9:35 AM, --D-y wrote:
> On Jun 29, 6:02 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 6/29/2010 12:56 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> In article
>>> <77ed302a-4667-496d-875a-f822fe78d...@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Ben Trovato<benn.trov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 5:33 pm, DA74<davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>>
>>>>> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...
>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/cycling/29cycling.html
>>
>>>> "At least two of the people Landis implicated said they had met with
>>>> investigators to tell of their past involvement with doping. They did
>>>> not provide details of those meetings, but both said they were honest
>>>> in responding to the investigators� questions. Those men, long
>>>> followers of cycling�s code of silence that kept doping a secret, did
>>>> not want their names published for fear of retribution during racing
>>>> at the Tour."
>>
>>> Just watch who LANCE chases down.
>>
>> Lance won't do anything this time around. His lawyers have undoubtedly
>> explained the concept of obstructing justice to him.
>
> Justice... justice for all, Brian?
> --D-y

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 73
CHAPTER 73�OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 7:36 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jun 29, 1:02 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/29/2010 12:56 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
> >   Ben Trovato<benn.trov...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >> On Jun 28, 5:33 pm, DA74<davidasto...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
> >>> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>
> >>>http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...
>
> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/cycling/29cycling.html
>
> >> "At least two of the people Landis implicated said they had met with
> >> investigators to tell of their past involvement with doping. They did
> >> not provide details of those meetings, but both said they were honest
> >> in responding to the investigators' questions. Those men, long
> >> followers of cycling's code of silence that kept doping a secret, did
> >> not want their names published for fear of retribution during racing
> >> at the Tour."
>
> > Just watch who LANCE chases down.
>
> Lance won't do anything this time around.  His lawyers have undoubtedly
> explained the concept of obstructing justice to him.

Ongoing court proceedings should not deter
teams from chasing, or not chasing, riders if
they want to. That is, it's all well and good to
say that teams shouldn't alter the sporting
outcome because of issues outside the course.
But then, should teams' tactical decisions be
based on fear of the implications outside the
course? Should LANCE ask Johan to call off
chasing a break because it has a former teammate
in it and LANCE is afraid that that teammate has
been talking and therefore chasing will increase
his legal jeopardy? How is that better?

Once you open this box, you can't put the contents
back in. This is why you are a dumbass and criminal
investigations of sporting offenses are a mistake
from the beginning. Sporting penalties for sporting
offenses - it's the only sensible way.

Fredmaster Ben


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:04 am
From: Fred on a stick


On 6/29/2010 4:36 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> Sporting penalties for sporting
> offenses - it's the only sensible way.

Which explains why Brian would never support it.


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:21 am
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 28, 5:33 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...

Yeah. I speculate that he'll be tested repeatedly throughout this last
TdF, and all his controls will return negative. He'll do well, but
won't win. After he retires, Landis, Novitsky, the AFLD, and WADA will
pursue him for years, but never get anywhere. Lance will continue to
hook up with women who look like his mom, and will father 5 more kids.
He will continue to get outrageous endorsement contracts, ride and win
MTB races, do some more running, and eventually run for US Senate and
win. He'll make a road racing comeback at 50 as a fatty masters,
sponsored by Michelob Ultra, which he will drink during races from a
solar powered, Peltier-cooled water bottle. He'll continue to serve in
the Senate for 25 years, hobknob with the rich and famous, and at 75,
be killed on his bike by a redneck that he flipped off.

Is that enough speculation for you?

Brad Anders


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:22 am
From: --D-y


On Jun 29, 9:21 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/29/2010 9:35 AM, --D-y wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 29, 6:02 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> >> On 6/29/2010 12:56 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
>
> >>> In article
> >>> <77ed302a-4667-496d-875a-f822fe78d...@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>    Ben Trovato<benn.trov...@hotmail.com>    wrote:
>
> >>>> On Jun 28, 5:33 pm, DA74<davidasto...@hotmail.com>    wrote:
> >>>>> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>
> >>>>>http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...
>
> >>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/cycling/29cycling.html
>
> >>>> "At least two of the people Landis implicated said they had met with
> >>>> investigators to tell of their past involvement with doping. They did
> >>>> not provide details of those meetings, but both said they were honest
> >>>> in responding to the investigators questions. Those men, long
> >>>> followers of cycling s code of silence that kept doping a secret, did
> >>>> not want their names published for fear of retribution during racing
> >>>> at the Tour."
>
> >>> Just watch who LANCE chases down.
>
> >> Lance won't do anything this time around.  His lawyers have undoubtedly
> >> explained the concept of obstructing justice to him.
>
> > Justice... justice for all, Brian?
> > --D-y
>
> TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 73
> CHAPTER 73 OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE

Non-sequitur there, B-man.
--D-y

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 5:43 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jun 28, 6:37 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 12:12 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > True. And to my knowledge, not all (any?) of those cases you cite were
> > proven to be the result of EPO use at the levels shown in the Gewiss
> > table.
>
> > > then there was the string of deaths in 2003-4, zanette, salanson,
> > > zanoli, jimenez and pantani. the last three weren't active when they
> > > died but were in their 30's
>
> > IIRC, Pantani died of as a result of recreational drug use (cocaine?).
> > As for the rest, I have no idea. Could EPO have been a major factor?
> > Possibly. However, I suggest that this handful of riders represent a
> > small fraction of those who took EPO and apparently didn't die. I'm
> > sure if EPO were the "death drug" that it's been depicted as, that
> > there would be a lot more fear of it among pros and a lot fewer users.
> > That doesn't seem to be the case.
>
> dumbass,
>
> you're right, none of them have been linked to EPO, but suppose some
> are.
>
> at what level would you say it represents a health risk 1/1000,
> 5/1000 ?

Dumbass,

You can die from drinking too much orange juice.

Can you die in your sleep from orange juice intoxication?
I doubt it, but if you are careful to moderate your
intake, the chances probably drop to zero. Arguably
the same is true for hematocrit modification - this is
one of the few places where I agree with D-y that
there is a direct conflict between athletes' health
and driving doping practices underground or into the
hands of amateurs. At least the 50% limit attempts
to serve both interests. So far as I can tell, there is
no evidence that long term EPO low or micro-dosage use
has a negative effect on athletes' post-career health.
It is probably more innocuous than steroids.

Zanoli, Jimenez and Pantani all exhibited some or
substantial symptoms of depression and for one or two
of them recreational drugs may have been contributory.
That doesn't make their deaths any less tragic, but
it does suggest that depression is significantly more
dangerous to athletes' health than is EPO.

Fredmaster Ben

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 6:31 am
From: --D-y


On Jun 29, 7:43 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 6:37 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 28, 12:12 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > True. And to my knowledge, not all (any?) of those cases you cite were
> > > proven to be the result of EPO use at the levels shown in the Gewiss
> > > table.
>
> > > > then there was the string of deaths in 2003-4, zanette, salanson,
> > > > zanoli, jimenez and pantani. the last three weren't active when they
> > > > died but were in their 30's
>
> > > IIRC, Pantani died of as a result of recreational drug use (cocaine?).
> > > As for the rest, I have no idea. Could EPO have been a major factor?
> > > Possibly. However, I suggest that this handful of riders represent a
> > > small fraction of those who took EPO and apparently didn't die. I'm
> > > sure if EPO were the "death drug" that it's been depicted as, that
> > > there would be a lot more fear of it among pros and a lot fewer users.
> > > That doesn't seem to be the case.
>
> > dumbass,
>
> > you're right, none of them have been linked to EPO, but suppose some
> > are.
>
> > at what level would you say it represents a health risk 1/1000,
> > 5/1000 ?
>
> Dumbass,
>
> You can die from drinking too much orange juice.
>
> Can you die in your sleep from orange juice intoxication?
> I doubt it, but if you are careful to moderate your
> intake, the chances probably drop to zero.  Arguably
> the same is true for hematocrit modification - this is
> one of the few places where I agree with D-y that
> there is a direct conflict between athletes' health
> and driving doping practices underground or into the
> hands of amateurs.  At least the 50% limit attempts
> to serve both interests.  So far as I can tell, there is
> no evidence that long term EPO low or micro-dosage use
> has a negative effect on athletes' post-career health.
> It is probably more innocuous than steroids.
>
> Zanoli, Jimenez and Pantani all exhibited some or
> substantial symptoms of depression and for one or two
> of them recreational drugs may have been contributory.
> That doesn't make their deaths any less tragic, but
> it does suggest that depression is significantly more
> dangerous to athletes' health than is EPO.
>
> Fredmaster Ben

I'm happy you agree on one point <g>.

I think all three of the above had extensive "recreational" drug use;
Zanoli and Pantani also had "depression" (it's a bigger basket than
that) problems.
Zanoli apparently cut his wrist severely and blamed it on being at a
party (according to one source). Excuse me, I don't remember Jiminez
offhand.

This is a problem with the "doping" sobriquet. EPO, HGH are to the
best of my knowledge not directly psycho-active ("no buzz from
ingestion"), quite different from "rec" drugs like speed, coke, heroin
(pot belge).

Athletes-- like Rasmussen-- who hone themselves to a fine edge might
tend to have fragile psyches, related to not having a lot in reserve
physically. Not the best setup to include heavy use of "party drugs"
where the up might be fun but the down definitely is not.
--D-y

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 5:50 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jun 28, 7:20 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/28/2010 12:38 PM, Amit Ghosh wrote:
>
> > On Jun 27, 11:07 pm, "H. Fred Kveck"<YOURhow...@h-
>
> >>     Amit is probably also on the mark with his comment that you also hope it brings
> >> down Ochowicz and Weisel. Wonder if that'd be collateral damage for you, or the
> >> actual primary target?
>
> > weisel's quaking in his booots !!!
>
> Thom Weisel and his first have a history of problems with Federal
> securities regulators.  I doubt he will enjoy being drawn into a
> possible Federal mail, wire and insurance fraud investigation.  Whether
> or not he's worried is irrelevant, IMO.

Luftmensch,

Wouldn't it be possible to conclude from these
facts that Thom Weisel has beaten more serious
charges that strike at the core of his business,
and got off with fines even though he's probably a
wretched dirty capitalist tool, and therefore that
he isn't going to be scared of Jeff Novitsky and
his crack team of federal meat inspectors?

Fredmaster Ben


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 6:05 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/29/2010 8:50 AM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Jun 28, 7:20 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 6/28/2010 12:38 PM, Amit Ghosh wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 27, 11:07 pm, "H. Fred Kveck"<YOURhow...@h-
>>
>>>> Amit is probably also on the mark with his comment that you also hope it brings
>>>> down Ochowicz and Weisel. Wonder if that'd be collateral damage for you, or the
>>>> actual primary target?
>>
>>> weisel's quaking in his booots !!!
>>
>> Thom Weisel and his first have a history of problems with Federal
>> securities regulators. I doubt he will enjoy being drawn into a
>> possible Federal mail, wire and insurance fraud investigation. Whether
>> or not he's worried is irrelevant, IMO.
>
> Luftmensch,
>
> Wouldn't it be possible to conclude from these
> facts that Thom Weisel has beaten more serious
> charges that strike at the core of his business,
> and got off with fines even though he's probably a
> wretched dirty capitalist tool, and therefore that
> he isn't going to be scared of Jeff Novitsky and
> his crack team of federal meat inspectors?
>
> Fredmaster Ben

Just about anything is possible.

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TOPIC: what a pic
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 7:34 am
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


http://www.zzipper.com/testimonials/Photos/GeoffWallace.jpg

-rj


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:15 am
From: Fred on a stick


On 6/29/2010 4:34 PM, ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
> http://www.zzipper.com/testimonials/Photos/GeoffWallace.jpg

From the testimonial itself: "I am pleased with this recumbent rocket.
It is fast, stable and it looks as cool as Mr. Rosens rig. This is
bleeding edge stuff."


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:21 am
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 29, 8:15 am, Fred on a stick <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid>
wrote:
> On 6/29/2010 4:34 PM, ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
>
> >http://www.zzipper.com/testimonials/Photos/GeoffWallace.jpg
>
>  From the testimonial itself: "I am pleased with this recumbent rocket.
> It is fast, stable and it looks as cool as Mr. Rosens rig. This is
> bleeding edge stuff."

Is that Jeff Potter?

Brad Anders

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TOPIC: Cav in Greipel out! Milk-A-Waaaaaaaat?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dde023aea291feca?hl=en
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Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:32 am
From: Michael Press


In article
<89b4add4-286e-432f-bef9-fd87b81a041d@d16g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 28, 11:06 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <939108e9-2abf-4304-9cc5-54be2de3d...@a3g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >  TheCoz <cycled...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well, I have been wondering why this is, comparing the win list for
> > > 2010 on these two riders.
> > > With a 1 to 10 and Cav's asshole attitude, it seems Greiple would be
> > > the better sprinter to work for.
> > > Coz
> >
> > >  Andre Greiple 2010 Victories
> >
> > >     * Stage win at the Giro
> > >     * Five stage wins and points jersey at Tour of Turkey
> > >     * Stage winner of Volta ao Algarve (held yellow jersey)
> > >     * Stage win at Challenge Mallorca
> > >     * Three stage wins of Tour Down Under
> >
> > >  Mark Cavendish 2010 Victories
> >
> > >     * Winner of Stage 2 of Vuelta a Catalunya
> >
> > Past performance is not an indicator of future performance.
>
> As a disclaimer for the market, perhaps... but for athletic
> performance, you bet it is.

I bet Cavendish wins three stages in the TdF.

--
Michael Press


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