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Today's topics:
* Cav in Greipel out! Milk-A-Waaaaaaaat? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dde023aea291feca?hl=en
* 2010 TdF is the last one for Lance - 7 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/952cbf6155ee78d2?hl=en
* How Does He Do It? - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7209f8b5945aec1c?hl=en
* Kirchen Possible Heart Attack - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0994eb0b86918592?hl=en
* The French Surrender Again - 5 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4b837ae7abe0cd17?hl=en
* No way Lance is going down - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cdd60ab31261b1aa?hl=en
* My ignorance - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3ba51efe13f562ca?hl=en
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TOPIC: Cav in Greipel out! Milk-A-Waaaaaaaat?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dde023aea291feca?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:32 am
From: Michael Press
In article
<89b4add4-286e-432f-bef9-fd87b81a041d@d16g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 11:06 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <939108e9-2abf-4304-9cc5-54be2de3d...@a3g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > TheCoz <cycled...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well, I have been wondering why this is, comparing the win list for
> > > 2010 on these two riders.
> > > With a 1 to 10 and Cav's asshole attitude, it seems Greiple would be
> > > the better sprinter to work for.
> > > Coz
> >
> > > Andre Greiple 2010 Victories
> >
> > > * Stage win at the Giro
> > > * Five stage wins and points jersey at Tour of Turkey
> > > * Stage winner of Volta ao Algarve (held yellow jersey)
> > > * Stage win at Challenge Mallorca
> > > * Three stage wins of Tour Down Under
> >
> > > Mark Cavendish 2010 Victories
> >
> > > * Winner of Stage 2 of Vuelta a Catalunya
> >
> > Past performance is not an indicator of future performance.
>
> As a disclaimer for the market, perhaps... but for athletic
> performance, you bet it is.
I bet Cavendish wins three stages in the TdF.
--
Michael Press
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 11:02 am
From: bar
On Jun 29, 11:32 am, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <89b4add4-286e-432f-bef9-fd87b81a0...@d16g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 28, 11:06 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <939108e9-2abf-4304-9cc5-54be2de3d...@a3g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > TheCoz <cycled...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Well, I have been wondering why this is, comparing the win list for
> > > > 2010 on these two riders.
> > > > With a 1 to 10 and Cav's asshole attitude, it seems Greiple would be
> > > > the better sprinter to work for.
> > > > Coz
>
> > > > Andre Greiple 2010 Victories
>
> > > > * Stage win at the Giro
> > > > * Five stage wins and points jersey at Tour of Turkey
> > > > * Stage winner of Volta ao Algarve (held yellow jersey)
> > > > * Stage win at Challenge Mallorca
> > > > * Three stage wins of Tour Down Under
>
> > > > Mark Cavendish 2010 Victories
>
> > > > * Winner of Stage 2 of Vuelta a Catalunya
>
> > > Past performance is not an indicator of future performance.
>
> > As a disclaimer for the market, perhaps... but for athletic
> > performance, you bet it is.
>
> I bet Cavendish wins three stages in the TdF.
>
> --
> Michael Press
Cav knew this is how it'd play out way back in april: "There's no
chance he's coming to a bike race that I'm in. Me on bad form is still
better than him."
Greipel to Milram in 2011 ...
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TOPIC: 2010 TdF is the last one for Lance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/952cbf6155ee78d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:44 am
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 6/29/2010 10:36 AM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Jun 29, 1:02 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 6/29/2010 12:56 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
>>> Ben Trovato<benn.trov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 5:33 pm, DA74<davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>>
>>>>> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...
>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/cycling/29cycling.html
>>
>>>> "At least two of the people Landis implicated said they had met with
>>>> investigators to tell of their past involvement with doping. They did
>>>> not provide details of those meetings, but both said they were honest
>>>> in responding to the investigators� questions. Those men, long
>>>> followers of cycling�s code of silence that kept doping a secret, did
>>>> not want their names published for fear of retribution during racing
>>>> at the Tour."
>>
>>> Just watch who LANCE chases down.
>>
>> Lance won't do anything this time around. His lawyers have undoubtedly
>> explained the concept of obstructing justice to him.
>
> Ongoing court proceedings should not deter
> teams from chasing, or not chasing, riders if
> they want to. That is, it's all well and good to
> say that teams shouldn't alter the sporting
> outcome because of issues outside the course.
> But then, should teams' tactical decisions be
> based on fear of the implications outside the
> course? Should LANCE ask Johan to call off
> chasing a break because it has a former teammate
> in it and LANCE is afraid that that teammate has
> been talking and therefore chasing will increase
> his legal jeopardy? How is that better?
>
> Once you open this box, you can't put the contents
> back in. This is why you are a dumbass and criminal
> investigations of sporting offenses are a mistake
> from the beginning. Sporting penalties for sporting
> offenses - it's the only sensible way.
>
> Fredmaster Ben
I think what people are referring to are the scenes with Bassons and
what's his name? Also, at this point, Armstrong probably doesn't know
who has said what to Novitsky or any other investigator.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:45 am
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 6/29/2010 11:04 AM, Fred on a stick wrote:
> On 6/29/2010 4:36 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>> Sporting penalties for sporting
>> offenses - it's the only sensible way.
>
> Which explains why Brian would never support it.
Thanks for your attempted assistance, but I'll speak for myself, if
that's OK with you. :-)
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:47 am
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 6/29/2010 11:21 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
> On Jun 28, 5:33 pm, DA74<davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>>
>> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...
>
> Yeah. I speculate that he'll be tested repeatedly throughout this last
> TdF, and all his controls will return negative. He'll do well, but
> won't win. After he retires, Landis, Novitsky, the AFLD, and WADA will
> pursue him for years, but never get anywhere. Lance will continue to
> hook up with women who look like his mom, and will father 5 more kids.
> He will continue to get outrageous endorsement contracts, ride and win
> MTB races, do some more running, and eventually run for US Senate and
> win. He'll make a road racing comeback at 50 as a fatty masters,
> sponsored by Michelob Ultra, which he will drink during races from a
> solar powered, Peltier-cooled water bottle. He'll continue to serve in
> the Senate for 25 years, hobknob with the rich and famous, and at 75,
> be killed on his bike by a redneck that he flipped off.
>
> Is that enough speculation for you?
>
> Brad Anders
How about this week's PowerBall numbers?
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 8:51 am
From: Fred Flintstein
On 6/29/2010 10:21 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
> He'll make a road racing comeback at 50 as a fatty masters,
> sponsored by Michelob Ultra, which he will drink during races from a
> solar powered, Peltier-cooled water bottle.
That would be so.fucking.cool!!
Except for the Michelob part.
Fred Flintstein
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 9:33 am
From: DA74
On Jun 29, 7:36 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 1:02 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > On 6/29/2010 12:56 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
> > > Ben Trovato<benn.trov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> On Jun 28, 5:33 pm, DA74<davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> Anyone want to engage in speculation of any particular kind?
>
> > >>>http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/28/lance.armstrong/?fbid=mVZEnnV...
>
> Once you open this box, you can't put the contents
> back in. This is why you are a dumbass and criminal
> investigations of sporting offenses are a mistake
> from the beginning. Sporting penalties for sporting
> offenses - it's the only sensible way.
>
> Fredmaster Ben- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Fucktardmaster Ben,
What if the box contained conspiracy to purchase, distribute and
administer both approved and unapproved pharmaceuticals intended to
treat cancer patients and animals, blood transfusions being performed
in hotel rooms and vehicles on the roadsides by unlicensed
practitioners all paid for with money extracted from an agency of the
US Government so as to enhance winnings, salaries, sponsorships and
careers?
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 9:37 am
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"
On Jun 29, 11:51 am, Fred Flintstein
<bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
> On 6/29/2010 10:21 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
>
> > He'll make a road racing comeback at 50 as a fatty masters,
> > sponsored by Michelob Ultra, which he will drink during races from a
> > solar powered, Peltier-cooled water bottle.
>
> That would be so.fucking.cool!!
>
> Except for the Michelob part.
too late on the Michelob part. There is already a Michelob Ultra
cycling team: http://bit.ly/b1R6wJ and I'm sure they're already
recruiting LANCE.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 9:38 am
From: Brad Anders
On Jun 29, 8:51 am, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 6/29/2010 10:21 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
>
> > He'll make a road racing comeback at 50 as a fatty masters,
> > sponsored by Michelob Ultra, which he will drink during races from a
> > solar powered, Peltier-cooled water bottle.
>
> That would be so.fucking.cool!!
>
> Except for the Michelob part.
>
> Fred Flintstein
It will just look like he's drinking Ultra. Actually, the bottle will
contain Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. You don't think a retired LANCE would
actually drink tha Ultra shit, do you?
Brad Anders
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TOPIC: How Does He Do It?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 9:04 am
From: Fred Flintstein
On 6/29/2010 10:13 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
> I know that having any actual proof of doping isn't required to label
> anyone who wins a bike race a doper, but I've never seen strong
> evidence that Indurain was a doper. His rise to the top in the TdF was
> preceeded by a reasonable progression in placing, he was an extremely
> consistent performer through the racing year (unlike up/down dopers
> like Berzin and his ilk), and when the hardcore dopers like Riis came
> along, they blew his ass out of the water. His TT performances came
> from his high VO2max and large size resulting in ridiculous power
> levels. He was more of a hanger-on in the mountains, occasionally
> showing brilliance when others let their guard down. I could be wrong
> about this, but I don't recall him ever having borderline doping
> incidents, nor too many shady associations.
In most years Indurain also brought the strongest team. Just
ask Toni Rominger what it was like to have to attack after
the Banesto guys had spent the day riding tempo in the
mountains. This was especially true after the Spanish Amaya
team failed and was absorbed by Banesto.
Indurain's problems in 1996 also coincided with what was
probably his weakest team in support.
Fred Flintstein
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 10:03 am
From: Phil H
On Jun 29, 3:58 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/29/2010 4:52 AM, drmofe wrote:> On Jun 29, 12:50 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> Miguel Indurain that is. The guy is one of the most obvious candidates
> >> for the TdF EPO Hall of Fame and yet he's never seriously discussed as a
> >> doper. Is it because everyone assumes that he was?
>
> > Indurain was clean, by the standards of the time.
> > This has been covered here before, many times.
>
> ROTFL!!
No one can say that anyone is clean but when you stop ROTFL tell us
what you've got on him so far. You started this muck raking thread so
put up or shut up.
Phil H
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 11:58 am
From: Anton Berlin
You can tell who the dopers are simply by looking at the cyclists they
put on the stage at the end of the race.
( I wish this was TIC )
The reason Armstrong is so god damn annoying is that he pretends and
vouches he's clean the loudest and most frequently.
It appeals to people's sense of justice and fair play if he's exposed
once and for all.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 12:01 pm
From: Brad Anders
On Jun 29, 11:58 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You can tell who the dopers are simply by looking at the cyclists they
> put on the stage at the end of the race.
>
> ( I wish this was TIC )
>
> The reason Armstrong is so god damn annoying is that he pretends and
> vouches he's clean the loudest and most frequently.
>
> It appeals to people's sense of justice and fair play if he's exposed
> once and for all.
Don't tell me - you were a hall monitor in elementary school, right?
Brad Anders
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TOPIC: Kirchen Possible Heart Attack
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0994eb0b86918592?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 9:05 am
From: Amit Ghosh
> Dumbass,
>
> You can die from drinking too much orange juice.
>
> Can you die in your sleep from orange juice intoxication?
> I doubt it, but if you are careful to moderate your
> intake, the chances probably drop to zero. Arguably
> the same is true for hematocrit modification - this is
> one of the few places where I agree with D-y that
> there is a direct conflict between athletes' health
> and driving doping practices underground or into the
> hands of amateurs. At least the 50% limit attempts
> to serve both interests. So far as I can tell, there is
> no evidence that long term EPO low or micro-dosage use
> has a negative effect on athletes' post-career health.
> It is probably more innocuous than steroids.
>
> Zanoli, Jimenez and Pantani all exhibited some or
> substantial symptoms of depression and for one or two
> of them recreational drugs may have been contributory.
> That doesn't make their deaths any less tragic, but
> it does suggest that depression is significantly more
> dangerous to athletes' health than is EPO.
>
dumbass,
i'm not as dismissive as you.
it may seem reasonable that as long as you keep hct below some level
one avoids adverse effects, but there are a lot of unknowns.
what is the effect of maintaining a hct that is 15% higher than the
hct that one naturally developed with ? there might be structural
changes to the heart. the heart isn't a mechanical pump, it is a
growing organ and it's structure determines how it functions.
unlike orange juice, synthetic EPO is a growth hormone which mimics a
natural hormone and as such it is part of a feedback loop. how is that
feedback effected when one abuses EPO ? hormones typically (always?)
have more than one effect, does EPO effect something other than simply
the growth of red blood cells ?
athletes are also using variants like CERA or transfusions. so even if
low level EPO use is considered safe, what about the alternatives that
are also used?
it's is naive to assume that if you keep hct down it is fairly safe.
perhaps not as dangerous, but if the rate of a severe adverse reaction
is 1/1000 or 5/1000 should the sport not discourage it's use ?
what if i held races on a dangerous course, put up a big prize purse
and 1/1000 competitors died every year because of the nature of the
course ? is that an acceptable risk ?
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 9:46 am
From: Brad Anders
In the long list of potential negative effects on longevity due to a
pro cycling career, I don't thing managed EPO/blood doping use (50%
hct or less) would be that big an issue. I'd worry more about rhythm
disturbances, long-term EIB effects, illiac artery issues, joint
problems, bone mass loss, etc.
As far as drugs go, I'd be more worried about long-term use of
anabolic steroids, HCG, and HGH.
Brad Anders
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 12:02 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<1c4ffac7-c021-42c6-aa87-a93111593733@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Amit Ghosh <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dumbass,
> >
> > You can die from drinking too much orange juice.
> >
> > Can you die in your sleep from orange juice intoxication?
> > I doubt it, but if you are careful to moderate your
> > intake, the chances probably drop to zero. Arguably
> > the same is true for hematocrit modification - this is
> > one of the few places where I agree with D-y that
> > there is a direct conflict between athletes' health
> > and driving doping practices underground or into the
> > hands of amateurs. At least the 50% limit attempts
> > to serve both interests. So far as I can tell, there is
> > no evidence that long term EPO low or micro-dosage use
> > has a negative effect on athletes' post-career health.
> > It is probably more innocuous than steroids.
> >
> > Zanoli, Jimenez and Pantani all exhibited some or
> > substantial symptoms of depression and for one or two
> > of them recreational drugs may have been contributory.
> > That doesn't make their deaths any less tragic, but
> > it does suggest that depression is significantly more
> > dangerous to athletes' health than is EPO.
> >
>
> dumbass,
>
> i'm not as dismissive as you.
>
> it may seem reasonable that as long as you keep hct below some level
> one avoids adverse effects, but there are a lot of unknowns.
>
> what is the effect of maintaining a hct that is 15% higher than the
> hct that one naturally developed with ? there might be structural
> changes to the heart. the heart isn't a mechanical pump, it is a
> growing organ and it's structure determines how it functions.
>
> unlike orange juice, synthetic EPO is a growth hormone which mimics a
> natural hormone and as such it is part of a feedback loop. how is that
> feedback effected when one abuses EPO ? hormones typically (always?)
> have more than one effect, does EPO effect something other than simply
> the growth of red blood cells ?
>
> athletes are also using variants like CERA or transfusions. so even if
> low level EPO use is considered safe, what about the alternatives that
> are also used?
>
> it's is naive to assume that if you keep hct down it is fairly safe.
> perhaps not as dangerous, but if the rate of a severe adverse reaction
> is 1/1000 or 5/1000 should the sport not discourage it's use ?
>
> what if i held races on a dangerous course, put up a big prize purse
> and 1/1000 competitors died every year because of the nature of the
> course ? is that an acceptable risk ?
This is why an athlete should put on retainer
the very best medical advisors.
--
Old Fritz
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TOPIC: The French Surrender Again
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 10:42 am
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
On Jun 28, 10:02 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 9:24 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
>
>
>
>
>
> <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 28, 7:26 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 29, 10:48 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > "Henry" <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:528165eb-4243-4e7f-a996-6ec3a923f186@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > I think India, China (and Russia) all have more population, money (?)
> > > > > and football players. OK, maybe not India :)
>
> > > > Dumbass -
>
> > > > A nation has to be industrialized for a generation or more for the wealth
> > > > (wealth enables time to be spent on leisure activities like sport) to take
> > > > effect.
>
> > > > None of the countries you mention are fully industrialized, not even China.
>
> > > > Note the ascendancy of Japan and South Korea.
>
> > > > thanks,
>
> > > > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> > > I was sure (and wrong) that after the 2008 Olympics that China would
> > > foucs on football. Big stadii, a premium league, coke snorting
> > > footballers and the WAG's. Mind you, getting caught doping in China
> > > could be a lot more serious than Western countries!
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > China will put $$$$ into it, but getting to the top in
> > football(soccer) is a lot harder than a lot of those little Olympic
> > sports. It's the number one sport for quite a number of fully
> > industrialized nations whom have a rich tradition in that sport.
>
> > It'll take China a generation, just like it's taking the US a
> > generation. It might even be harder for China since they're going to
> > be an extremely urbanized nation. Soccer fields will be expensive
> > infrastructure.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> I thought that the beauty of the game was that all you need is a few
> kids, a ball, and an empty lot.
Dumbass -
In a nation as densely packed as China, there' aren't gonna be too
many empty lots. They'll be better at sports with smaller footprints.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 11:14 am
From: Amit Ghosh
On Jun 28, 7:05 am, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I think India, China (and Russia) all have more population, money (?)
> and football players. OK, maybe not India :)
dumbass,
india has had domestic pro soccer for a long time. my dad growing up
always had season tickets to his local team.
generally though there isn't a lot of emphasis on elite sports
compared to the west but this is changing as the attitudes become more
western.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 11:16 am
From: Amit Ghosh
On Jun 29, 1:42 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
> Dumbass -
>
> In a nation as densely packed as China, there' aren't gonna be too
> many empty lots. They'll be better at sports with smaller footprints.
>
dumbass,
is that why they invented table tennis ?
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 11:21 am
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
On Jun 29, 11:16 am, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 1:42 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > In a nation as densely packed as China, there' aren't gonna be too
> > many empty lots. They'll be better at sports with smaller footprints.
>
> dumbass,
>
> is that why they invented table tennis ?
Dumbass -
Did they invent it?
Regardless, it's a good example.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 11:22 am
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
On Jun 28, 10:18 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I was too cynical I guess, just believed that China would throw a big
> bag of cash at it. Stadii are an investment in keeping the locals happy
Dumbass -
In a nation as land starved as China, getting soccer fields next to
every school is gonna be much more challenging than in other nations.
They shortchange the school infrastructure. See what happened to the
schools in the earthquake. The kids are about the only ones who died.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
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TOPIC: No way Lance is going down
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 12:08 pm
From: Anton Berlin
> Sounds like you're ready to go down on LANCE though.
Betty, please don't out Phil in this public fashion. There are kids
in the room and we musn't offend them with the cocksuckers crazed
attempt to gurgle Lance's one remaining ball
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TOPIC: My ignorance
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 12:14 pm
From: Anton Berlin
At the end of my cycling career I considered that if I put the same
effort into being a placekicker I could have made a $500k salary for
10 + years playing for an NFL team vs the trinkets that now adorn my
office wall.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 12:47 pm
From: DA74
On Jun 29, 12:14 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> At the end of my cycling career I considered that if I put the same
> effort into being a placekicker I could have made a $500k salary for
> 10 + years playing for an NFL team vs the trinkets that now adorn my
> office wall.
Only a douchebag would hang a ribbon on the wall for placing 3rd in a
35+ office park crit.
Just Sayin',
DA74
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 29 2010 1:01 pm
From: Anton Berlin
On Jun 29, 2:47 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 12:14 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > At the end of my cycling career I considered that if I put the same
> > effort into being a placekicker I could have made a $500k salary for
> > 10 + years playing for an NFL team vs the trinkets that now adorn my
> > office wall.
>
> Only a douchebag would hang a ribbon on the wall for placing 3rd in a
> 35+ office park crit.
>
> Just Sayin',
> DA74
That's ironic.... the rest of the frames are douchebags!
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