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The Rich – Poor Divide


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By Tomazinho Cardozo
Mankind has always discriminated. History is a witness to the fact that man has harassed woman, whites have hated blacks, higher castes have humiliated the lower castes, the rich controlled the poor, so on and so forth. Although all are the creations of God yet discrimination persists.

Poverty is a driving factor when it comes to discrimination. If we observe carefully blacks and the people belonging to lower castes have suffered the most. They were not given any opportunities to educate themselves. Even today, illiteracy is the highest among these people. The adverse effect of illiteracy is unemployment. Unemployment worsens the economic condition. Thus poverty continues from generation to generation. Women also suffered and their growth was suppressed. Even rich families, particularly in India, did not give the girl child all the facilities provided to the boy child. They were not exposed to education and to individual freedom as in the case of boys. Child marriages further suppressed the growth of the girl child. Thus we see that women of high caste families too experienced discrimination.
Beginning with individuals, the virus of discrimination spreads to families, communities, states and nations. Hence we find rich and poor families, communities, states and nations. Just like the rich dominate the lives of the poor in communities and the rich states dictate terms to poor states, in the same manner rich nations today make all efforts to control poor nations.
People are interdependent, even though we live on different continents within different political and economic systems. You may be wondering how you can affect the people of the Third World. There are several areas in which individual decisions of the so called developed nations can influence the relationship between rich and poor nations.
Take for example the process of land reforms in different parts of the world. Land

reforms could minimise the hunger of the people in poor countries. More than once the so called developed and rich nations have supported reactionary regimes in the less developed countries, even giving them military aid, in order to prevent land reforms. In recent times we have seen how rich nations, in the guise of protecting democracy and destruction of nuclear devices of mass destruction, have destroyed lives, properties and  regimes of other developing nations. The hidden agenda of these developed nations ultimately is the protection and promotion of their own selfish interests in a particular region in the guise of 'big brotherly' attitude. 
Another issue to consider is international trade. Rich nations can exploit poor nations; they have all the power and can set the terms of trade. Rich nations, for example, can set such high tariffs that poor nations cannot sell their products abroad. Such a policy protects the rich at the expense of the poor. On the other hand, when rich nations want certain goods their demands can upset the poor economies. For example, many Third World nations produce almost entirely for export. Their economies depend on export alone. Since exports are usually controlled by giant foreign corporations the interest of these giant corporations and not that of developing nations, plays an important role in this trade.  In recent years, some developing nations have taken courageous steps  to protect themselves against the control of multinational corporations by nationalising industries owned by outsiders.
Developing nations will have to prepare themselves for some major changes. For a long time the rich countries have been able to grow richer at the cost of poor countries. Take the example of oil. Rich nations make all the efforts to buy oil from other countries at low prices. Technology and development is based on oil. Thus rich nations would like to preserve the oil reserves of their countries for future use and at present make use of the oil from other developing countries by using all tactics that suit them well. This is exactly what's happening in the world today.
But all this is changing now. Oil won't be cheap again. Oil prices are bound to escalate. Oil producing countries have the potential to be the world powers. So also there are many other nations, including India, with vast natural resources, which have the capability of become world powers. Thus the equation of rich and poor nations is bound to change in times to come.
 

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PANAJI: The high court of Bombay at Goa on Wenesday pulled up the Anjuna, Betalbatim, Varca, Velsao-Pale, Cavelossim and Benaulim village panchayats for failing to comply with the court's earlier directions regarding structures built in violation of the Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) notification.

When the matter came up for hearing on Wednesday, amicus curaie Norma Alvares informed the court that the panchayats had not filed affidavits in terms with the June 14 orders of the court. The bench, thereafter, expressed disappointment and warned that it would initiate contempt proceedings against these six panchayats if the affidavits are not filed by the next date of hearing.

A division bench comprising Justice A S Oka and Justice F M Reis had passed the directions during the hearing of a suo motu writ petition initiated on July 31, 2006, based on a news item titled 'Is Goa sinking because of this?'. The news item highlighted the illegal constructions mushrooming in the No Development Zone (NDZ) along the state's coastal belt after the CRZ regulations came into effect on February 19, 1991.

The court had on June 14 directed all the coastal panchayats in the state to file fresh affidavits giving details of the structures which are already demolished and particulars of proceedings pending before the director of panchayats (DoP).

The court had earlier directed these panchayats to file affidavits giving details of the latest developments regarding the illegal structures in their jurisdiction and cautioned that contempt proceedings would be initiated against the sarpanch and secretary of panchyats if they fail to comply with the order.

The court will hear the petition further on July 15.

 

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By Dr Nandkumar Kamat

electronic Waste (e-Waste) comprises of waste electronic/electrical goods which are not fit for their originally intended use. These include items such as computers, cellular phones, stereos, refrigerators, air conditioners, other consumer durables, etc. Every year there are 2 million e-waste items.

Electrical and electronic waste or e-waste has become a global problem as it contains more than 51 hazardous elements and compounds including arsenic, mercury and lead. It is also a misplaced wealth because it contains gold and copper. The world generates about 50 million e-waste annually. Relatively, India's share is less than half a million MT. Most of India's e-waste comes from used TV sets. But now PCs and used mobile sets, etc, are slowly adding to the mountain of e-waste. Information and telecom are fastest growing industries. PC sales crossed 7.3 million units in 2007-08 growing 16 per cent. With an installed base of over 25 million units, the consumer electronics market is growing at 13-15 per cent annually.

There are three challenges facing the developing countries in e-waste management, first - an absence of infrastructure for appropriate waste management, second - an absence of legislation dealing specifically with e-waste and third - an absence of any framework for end-of-life (EoL) product take-back or implementation of extended producer responsibility (EPR).

Information and telecommunications technology (ICT) and computer Internet networking has penetrated nearly every aspect of modern life, and is positively affecting human life even in the most remote areas of the developing countries. The rapid growth in ICT has led to an improvement in the capacity of computers but simultaneously to a decrease in the products lifetime as a result of which increasingly large quantities of waste electrical and electronic equipment (e-waste) are generated annually, the dumping of obsolete and old electronic items from developed countries at a cheaper cost or even free.

Electronics Industries Association of India estimates the country has accumulated 380,000 tones of electronic waste, which is likely to increase to 800,000 tonnes by AD 2015. The 10-15 per cent growth in India's growing mountain of e-waste is alarming compared to just a 3 per cent global rate. It is the unorganised sector which is now dealing with this e-waste with many attendant risks for health, environment and safety.

How big is the global e-waste problem? It has been estimated that 500 million PCs worldwide reached the end of their life in the decade between 1994 and 2003. This volume of obsolete PCs contain approximately 2870 000 tons of plastics, 718000 tons of lead, 1363 tons of Cadmium and 287 tons of mercury. In the US it accounted for 2.63 million tons of waste in 2005 (or 1.1 per cent of the waste stream). Between 1981 and 2005, more than 1 billion PCs have been sold worldwide – 400 million of those in the US. It accounted for 2.63 million tons of waste in 2005 (or 1.1 per cent of the waste stream), an increase of 7.8 per cent over 2004. Of this volume, 87.5 per cent was disposed rather than recycled. Between 1981 and 2005, more than 1 billion PCs have been sold worldwide – 400 million of those in the United States. In 2003 alone, more than 50 million computers were sold in the US.

In the UK (Western Europe) in 1998, 6 million tons of WEEE was generated accounting for 4 per cent of the MW stream. Increasing at 3–5 per cent a year, WEEE generation in the UK is estimated to hit 12 million tons by 2010. The volume of waste computers generated in South Korea in 2002 was estimated at 1.2 million and was predicted to double, reaching 2.2 million by 2005. Germany has a yearly electronic scrap waste stream of about 1.8 million whereas in Austria, the total e-scrap amounts to about 85 000 tons per year. It is estimated that approximately 300 000 scrap PCs are generated each year in Taiwan. About 1.6 million obsolete EEE were generated in 2003, in China with TV accounting for nearly half of the total.

The US e-waste recycling industry is reported to have once declared that about 80 per cent of the e-waste they received was exported into Asia, and 90 per cent of this went to China. The destination of un-recycled e-waste in the developed countries includes landfills, incinerators or export to developing countries. Antrekowitsch et al (2006) observed that 'up to 90% of e-scrap was land filled in 2003, even in the developed countries. Why is e-waste a dangerous environmental problem?

Many e-waste components include toxic constituents. Printed circuit boards have lead and cadmium, cathode ray tubes (CRTs) have lead oxide and cadmium, switches and flat-screen monitors contain mercury, computer batteries have cadmium, capacitors and transformers have cancer causing Poly Chlorinated Bi-phenyls (PCB), printed circuit boards, plastic brominated flame retardant casings cable, cable insulation/coating all contain toxic Poly Vinyl Chloride (PVC).

E-waste handling is a high-risk backyard operation performed using non-efficient and non-environmentally sound technologies. There are several occupational and environmental hazards. Resources are lost due to inefficient processes. E-waste impacts vulnerable social groups - women, children and migrant labourers. E-waste recycling is presently concentrated in the informal (unorganised) sector and no organised collection system prevails. Operations are mostly illegal and processes are highly polluting. How e-waste is recycled? Recycling operations engage in - dismantling, sale of dismantled parts, valuable resource recovery and export of processed waste for precious metal recovery. Effective management of e-waste in the developing countries demands the implementation of EPR, the establishment of product reuse through remanufacturing and the introduction of efficient recycling facilities. The implementation of a global system for the standardisation and certification/labelling of second-hand appliances intended for export to developing countries will be required to control the export of electronic recyclables in the name of second-hand appliances. What are the regulations in India?

The hazardous waste (management and handling) rules, 1998 as amended in 2008 for Toxic content – make registration mandatory for recyclers. Municipal Solid Waste Management and Handling Rules are meant for non-Toxic content. The Basel convention for regulating transboundary movement restricts import of toxic e-waste. Foreign Trade policy restricts import of second-hand computers and does not permit import of e-waste. Central Pollution Control Board notified guidelines notified in April 2008. The guidelines explicitly mention the need for a separate legislation for implementing 'Producer Responsibility'. A scientific approach is possible to recycle and reuse the e-waste and create some wealth in these operations. But this needs a multi-pronged effort supported by clear policies and legislations. The central government has appointed a four-member committee to frame the rules under EPA, 1986. It is hoped that by July 2010, better e-waste management regulations may come into practice.

 

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Medarticles Review article needed

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Plz help me finding the following full text review article:
 
Biotechnology of flavonoids and other phenylpropanoid-derived natural products. Part I: Chemical diversity, impacts on plant biology and human health

Filippos Ververidis, Dr. 1 *, Emmanouil Trantas 1 2, Carl Douglas 3, Guenter Vollmer 4, Georg Kretzschmar 4, Nickolas Panopoulos 2 5

 

Biotechnology Journal, Volume 2 Issue 10, Pages 1214 - 1234



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Book : Modern Dietary Fat Intakes in Disease Promotion

Chapter: Recent Cholesterol-Lowering Drug Trials: New Data, New
Questions

Pages 185-191

Book Series Nutrition and Health

Publisher Humana Press

DOI 10.1007/978-1-60327-571-2

ISBN 978-1-60327-570-5 (Print) 978-1-60327-571-2 (Online)

Part Part 3

DOI 10.1007/978-1-60327-571-2_11

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:3073 India, US to set up working groups on health sector

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WASHINGTON: India and the US have agreed to set up four working groups
to advance cooperation and establish common goals between two
countries in health sector.

In a meeting with the India's Union Health Minister, Mr Ghulam Nabi
Azad last week the US Health Secretary, Mr Kathleen Sebelius floated
the idea the working groups that will serve to engage all relevant
parts of each government.

Mr Azad, on a week-long trip to the US, welcomed the proposal and
suggested that nursing and paramedical education, quality assurance,
health informatics and mental health on non-communicable diseases be
included in the mandate of these working groups.

The health minister emphasised on the need for an oversight mechanism
to review all collaborative partnerships between US and India, besides
the need for a strong US position in support of the 'One World
OneHealth' concept in the context of Avian and Pandemic Influenza.

With India emerging as a global provider of health manpower, Mr Azad
also raised the need to upgrade nursing and paramedical education in
India to international standards introducing, institutions of nurse
practitioner and emergency paramedic.
Mr Azad asked his American counterpart to explore the possibility of
a tie between US medical institutes of excellence and the six AIIMS
like institutes being set up by the Indian government.

The meeting set into motion the dialogue on the India US Health
Initiative, which reflects the continuing partnership between the two
countries with health as the fulcrum.

This was the second meeting between the two leaders within a short
span of one month.

Mr Azad invited Mr Sebelius to visit India for the next round of
discussions under the India US Health Initiative.

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:3073 Fw: U.S.National HIV Testing Day

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Please find a message about the U.S.National HIV Testing Day.

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STATEMENT OF ANTHONY S. FAUCI, M.D. DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH ON NATIONAL HIV TESTING DAY JUNE 27, 2010

Routine HIV testing is central to ending the HIV/AIDS pandemic.  In the United States, someone becomes infected with HIV every nine and a half minutes. More than 20 percent of the estimated 1.1 million Americans living with HIV infection do not know they are infected.

On National HIV Testing Day, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health, urges everyone between the ages of 13 and 64 years to be tested for HIV at least once in their lifetime in keeping with the recommendation of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). People at high risk for HIV infection -- including substance abusers and their sexual partners, gay and bisexual men, female partners of bisexual men, and individuals with multiple sex partners -- should get tested at least once a year.

Knowing one's HIV status is vitally important to the individual and for protecting the broader public health. Testing positive for HIV infection is the critical first step linking a person to counseling, medical care and treatment, which help improve quality of health and stave off HIV-related complications and co-infections. People who know they are infected with HIV also are more likely to reduce behaviors that could transmit the virus to others, which benefits the larger community.

Additionally, a growing body of evidence suggests that people infected with HIV who consistently take antiretroviral therapy to control the virus not only protect their health but may be less infectious to others -- a theory NIAID is currently examining through clinical research.

Later this year, in collaboration with CDC and local health departments, NIAID will launch a feasibility study in several U.S. cities, designed to determine whether expanded HIV testing along with better linkages to medical care and treatment can show value as part of a broader campaign to reduce HIV incidence.

Although expanded HIV testing initiatives and prevention efforts appear to be having some positive impact, far too many people still are getting infected with HIV. Nearly three decades into the HIV/AIDS epidemic, more than 56,000 new HIV infections occur each year, an unacceptably high rate that has remained relatively stable since the late 1990s.

HIV infection may not grab the headlines as it did during the darkest days in the 1980s, but it is still a serious, incurable medical issue that can lead to AIDS-a disease that claimed nearly 18,000 American lives in 2007. Too many people are diagnosed with HIV late in the course of infection, missing the window of opportunity when antiretroviral therapy can provide the best health outcomes.

Sadly, the stigma and fear associated with HIV testing are still very real concerns for many. On this National HIV Testing Day, we all must do our part to eliminate these obstacles and emphasize the important, lifesaving value of getting tested. To find an HIV testing site near you or for more information about HIV testing, visit AIDSinfo <http://www.aidsinfo.nih.gov/other/specialityPage.aspx?pageID=37> and AIDS.gov <http://aids.gov/>.

Dr. Fauci is director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md.

NIAID conducts and supports research-at NIH, throughout the United States, and worldwide-to study the causes of infectious and immune-mediated diseases, and to develop better means of preventing, diagnosing and treating these illnesses. News releases, fact sheets and other NIAID-related materials are available on the NIAID Web site at <http://www.niaid.nih.gov>.

The National Institutes of Health (NIH) -- The Nation's Medical Research Agency -- includes 27 Institutes and Centers and is a component of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. It is the primary federal agency for conducting and supporting basic, clinical and translational medical research, and it investigates the causes, treatments, and cures for both common and rare diseases. For more information about NIH and its programs, visit <www.nih.gov>.

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I need these articles

NEVER AUDIT ALONE - THE CASE FOR AUDIT TEAMS 

Author: Nancy H. Adams

DOI: 10.1080/105294199750061308

Publication Frequency: 4 issues per year

Published in: Quality Assurance, Volume 7, Issue 4 October 1999 , pages 195 - 200

 

 

AUDITING OF CHROMATOGRAPHIC DATA 

Author: Jennifer Tomlin Mabie

DOI: 10.1080/105294199277789

Publication Frequency: 4 issues per year

Published in: Quality Assurance, Volume 6, Issue 4 October 1999 , pages 229 - 233

Formats available: PDF (English)

 

COMPUTER VALIDATION IN TOXICOLOGY: HISTORICAL REVIEW FOR FDA AND EPA GOOD LABORATORY PRACTICE 

Author: David L. Brodish

DOI: 10.1080/105294199277752

Publication Frequency: 4 issues per year

Published in: Quality Assurance, Volume 6, Issue 4 October 1999 , pages 185 - 199

Formats available: PDF (English)

THE FACILITY BETWEEN CERTIFICATION AND ACCREDITATION 

Authors: Raffaele Lasala; Rossella Rizzello

DOI: 10.1080/105294199277815

Publication Frequency: 4 issues per year

Published in: Quality Assurance, Volume 6, Issue 3 April 1999 , pages 137 - 148

Formats available: PDF (English)

 

QUALITY ASSURANCE REVIEWS: HOW THEY DIFFER FROM PEER REVIEWS 

Author: Nancy H. Adams

DOI: 10.1080/105294199277879

Publication Frequency: 4 issues per year

Published in: Quality Assurance, Volume 6, Issue 2 February 1999 , pages 75 - 85

Formats available: PDF (English)

 

A GENERAL GUIDE FOR CONDUCTING IN-PROCESS INSPECTIONS 

Author: Claire Massari

DOI: 10.1080/105294199277897

Publication Frequency: 4 issues per year

Published in: Quality Assurance, Volume 6, Issue 2 February 1999 , pages 97 - 105

Formats available: PDF (English)
 
 
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* Floyd the Scientistic - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6785b5cd683f1447?hl=en
* The Doctor In Brescia - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Liz Hatch Worst Quote Ever!!! - 5 messages, 4 authors
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* TdF Stage 3 - Risk to Contador? - 4 messages, 4 authors
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* Kirchen Possible Heart Attack - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Doping in other sports - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* The Philosophy of Faith versus Science – Lance and PEDs - 6 messages, 5
authors
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* Finally - the hard proof of mechanical doping we were waiting for - 1
messages, 1 author
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* The gray North Sea - 1 messages, 1 author
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Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 11:50 am
From: DA74


On Jun 30, 11:04 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 10:50 am, "Tony Frankfurt" <n...@null.null> wrote:
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> > An interesting article is here looking at the impacts of Floyd allegations and
> > exploration how riders are able to continue race undetected.
>
> > "Landis further lowered the risk of detection, he informed SI, by learning
> > how to use the Sysmex machine, an automated blood analyzer owned by Phonak,
> > his team from 2005-06, and also learned to monitor his reticulocytes with a
> > microscope."
>
> >http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/austin_murphy/06/30/eff...
>
> Every time I read an article where Michael Ashenden is quoted, I'm
> staggered by his intellect. Quotes:
>
> "It is easier to catch someone doping if you know what, when, and how,
> they are doping,"
>
> Brilliant.
>
> "I had never contemplated that riders would continue to use EPO during
> a Tour,"
>
> Perceptive.
>
> "I fear we may be approaching the limit of how invasive testing can
> be ... How do you balance the obvious need for riders to sleep with an
> awareness that if they [microdose] in the evening, traces will have
> disappeared by 6am next morning? On which side does the public want to
> fall: protecting clean riders from doped competitors, or protecting a
> doped rider's sleep?"
>
> Compassionate.
>
> The man is a treasure.
>
> Brad Anders

He's not a treasure dickwad. He's a total fucking asshole for
critisizing Coyle's research about Lance's increased muscle
efficiency. It's Coyle's data therefore Coyle should have the right to
draw any conclusion he wants to support his hypothesis.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 12:34 pm
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jun 30, 1:50 pm, "Tony Frankfurt" <n...@null.null> wrote:
> An interesting article is here looking at the impacts of Floyd allegations and
> exploration how riders are able to continue race undetected.
>
> "Landis further lowered the risk of detection, he informed SI, by learning
> how to use the Sysmex machine, an automated blood analyzer owned by Phonak,
> his team from 2005-06, and also learned to monitor his reticulocytes with a
> microscope."
>
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/austin_murphy/06/30/eff...

dumbass,

maybe he can get a job at the LNDD.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 1:08 pm
From: --D-y


On Jun 30, 2:34 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 1:50 pm, "Tony Frankfurt" <n...@null.null> wrote:
>
> > An interesting article is here looking at the impacts of Floyd allegations and
> > exploration how riders are able to continue race undetected.
>
> > "Landis further lowered the risk of detection, he informed SI, by learning
> > how to use the Sysmex machine, an automated blood analyzer owned by Phonak,
> > his team from 2005-06, and also learned to monitor his reticulocytes with a
> > microscope."
>
> >http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/austin_murphy/06/30/eff...
>
> dumbass,
>
> maybe he can get a job at the LNDD.

nyuck nyuck.
D-y liked that one.
--D-y

==============================================================================
TOPIC: The Doctor In Brescia
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8f070d125b7d8965?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 11:55 am
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jun 30, 6:31 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/police-carry-out-doping-raids-in-italy

dumbass,

eve of the tour.


==============================================================================
TOPIC: Liz Hatch Worst Quote Ever!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9284816c8397ecfc?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 12:02 pm
From: "GoneBeforeMyTime"


Superfly TNT wrote:
> http://www.een.be/programmas/villa-vanthilt/liz-hatch-en-haar-idool-ludo-dierckxsens
>
> Go to 4:06 into the video clip for this gem....
>
> "Cycling in the US is not important." Liz Hatch

Correct, it isn't to most people here. While she mentioned unless you are
Lance, heck, once I was inside a Ford dealership shop having my car work
done and sitting in Lobby watching a soap opera. I got up to change the TV
channel to watch Lance in the TDF and as not to be rude I ask a girl if it
was ok if I watched Lance in the TDF and she said sure, but who is Lance?
Lance Armstrong, you know the guy who won 7 Tours, and she said, no, never
heard of him. Lots of people make up a lot of other cultures here in the
states, and they don't know much outside of their slice of the US pie
culturally speaking. Now, if I said Tiger Woods, I bet she would of said,
yeah I know Tiger. Lance should be a household name as a sports cult figure.

What's up with Ludo and that steak meat marinade thing, is that supposed to
be funny to Belgiums?


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 2:16 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Jun 30, 2:02 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
> Superfly TNT wrote:
> >http://www.een.be/programmas/villa-vanthilt/liz-hatch-en-haar-idool-l...
>
> > Go to 4:06 into the video clip for this gem....
>
> > "Cycling in the US is not important."  Liz Hatch
>
> Correct, it isn't to most people here. While she mentioned unless you are
> Lance, heck, once  I was inside a Ford dealership shop having my car work
> done and sitting in Lobby watching a soap opera. I got up to change the TV
> channel to watch Lance in the TDF and as not to be rude I ask a girl if it
> was ok if I watched Lance in the TDF and she said sure, but who is Lance?
> Lance Armstrong, you know the guy who won 7 Tours, and she said, no, never
> heard of him. Lots of people make up a lot of other cultures here in the
> states, and they don't know much outside of their slice of the US pie
> culturally speaking. Now, if I said Tiger Woods, I bet she would of said,

http://esl.about.com/od/grammarintermediate/a/cm_of.htm

> yeah I know Tiger. Lance should be a household name as a sports cult figure.

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=lance+armstrong&word2=tiger+woods

About 8:1. That's more than I would've predicted.

>
> What's up with Ludo and that steak meat marinade thing, is that supposed to
> be funny to Belgiums?

While I don't know any Belgiums, I do remember reading about a really
old-school treatment for saddle sores that involved applying raw
steak. Maybe someone who speaks Belgish could tell us if they were
making some kind of joke related to that.

-rj

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 2:49 pm
From: dave a


On 6/30/2010 2:16 PM, ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
> On Jun 30, 2:02 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime"<F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
>> Superfly TNT wrote:
>>> http://www.een.be/programmas/villa-vanthilt/liz-hatch-en-haar-idool-l...
>>
>>> Go to 4:06 into the video clip for this gem....
>>
>>> "Cycling in the US is not important." Liz Hatch
>>
>> Correct, it isn't to most people here. While she mentioned unless you are
>> Lance, heck, once I was inside a Ford dealership shop having my car work
>> done and sitting in Lobby watching a soap opera. I got up to change the TV
>> channel to watch Lance in the TDF and as not to be rude I ask a girl if it
>> was ok if I watched Lance in the TDF and she said sure, but who is Lance?
>> Lance Armstrong, you know the guy who won 7 Tours, and she said, no, never
>> heard of him. Lots of people make up a lot of other cultures here in the
>> states, and they don't know much outside of their slice of the US pie
>> culturally speaking. Now, if I said Tiger Woods, I bet she would of said,
>
> http://esl.about.com/od/grammarintermediate/a/cm_of.htm
>
>> yeah I know Tiger. Lance should be a household name as a sports cult figure.
>
> http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=lance+armstrong&word2=tiger+woods
>
> About 8:1. That's more than I would've predicted.
>

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=liz+hatch&word2=brian+lafferty

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 2:58 pm
From: TheCoz


On Jun 30, 2:02 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
> Superfly TNT wrote:
> >http://www.een.be/programmas/villa-vanthilt/liz-hatch-en-haar-idool-l...
>
> > Go to 4:06 into the video clip for this gem....
>
> > "Cycling in the US is not important."  Liz Hatch
>
> Correct, it isn't to most people here. While she mentioned unless you are
> Lance, heck, once  I was inside a Ford dealership shop having my car work
> done and sitting in Lobby watching a soap opera. I got up to change the TV
> channel to watch Lance in the TDF and as not to be rude I ask a girl if it
> was ok if I watched Lance in the TDF and she said sure, but who is Lance?
> Lance Armstrong, you know the guy who won 7 Tours, and she said, no, never
> heard of him. Lots of people make up a lot of other cultures here in the
> states, and they don't know much outside of their slice of the US pie
> culturally speaking. Now, if I said Tiger Woods, I bet she would of said,
> yeah I know Tiger. Lance should be a household name as a sports cult figure.
>
> What's up with Ludo and that steak meat marinade thing, is that supposed to
> be funny to Belgiums?

I think Liz is funny to the Belgiums. Is it me, or has Liz's boobs got
bigger?
Coz


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 3:32 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Jun 30, 4:49 pm, dave a <blkcatREMOVET...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/30/2010 2:16 PM, ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 30, 2:02 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime"<F...@EuroForums.com>  wrote:
> >> Superfly TNT wrote:
> >>>http://www.een.be/programmas/villa-vanthilt/liz-hatch-en-haar-idool-l...
>
> >>> Go to 4:06 into the video clip for this gem....
>
> >>> "Cycling in the US is not important."  Liz Hatch
>
> >> Correct, it isn't to most people here. While she mentioned unless you are
> >> Lance, heck, once  I was inside a Ford dealership shop having my car work
> >> done and sitting in Lobby watching a soap opera. I got up to change the TV
> >> channel to watch Lance in the TDF and as not to be rude I ask a girl if it
> >> was ok if I watched Lance in the TDF and she said sure, but who is Lance?
> >> Lance Armstrong, you know the guy who won 7 Tours, and she said, no, never
> >> heard of him. Lots of people make up a lot of other cultures here in the
> >> states, and they don't know much outside of their slice of the US pie
> >> culturally speaking. Now, if I said Tiger Woods, I bet she would of said,
>
> >http://esl.about.com/od/grammarintermediate/a/cm_of.htm
>
> >> yeah I know Tiger. Lance should be a household name as a sports cult figure.
>
> >http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=lance+armstrong&wor...
>
> > About 8:1.  That's more than I would've predicted.
>
> http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=liz+hatch&word2=bri...

Photo finish!

Poor Liz. She can't seem to win any race.

-rj

==============================================================================
TOPIC: TdF Stage 3 - Risk to Contador?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/17379c8d766113ba?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 12:09 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jun 30, 6:30 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/97th-tour-de-france-gt/stage-3
>
> Are the cobbles a risk to Contador?
>
> Brad Anders

Certainement, if there are student protests, he
might be hit by a cobble. Quel dommage!

Fredmaitre Ben


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 12:49 pm
From: Randall


On Jun 30, 11:20 am, Fred Flintstein
<bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
> On 6/30/2010 11:30 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/97th-tour-de-france-gt/stage-3
>
> > Are the cobbles a risk to Contador?
The pave may prove to be a significant risk for Contador. Today's pros
don't ride the pave to often. Contador has trained a bit on
cobblestones this spring. My guess is that he can probably stay with
Lance and field unless they really decide to go fast.

>
> > Brad Anders
>
> Given his status as a former teammate of Lance Armstrong and
> past employee of Tailwind Sports he would be foolish to ride
> cobbles without first consulting legal counsel.
>
> B. Lafferty

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 2:18 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Jun 30, 2:49 pm, Randall <randall.shim...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Are the cobbles a risk to Contador?
>
> The pave may prove to be a significant risk for Contador. Today's pros
> don't ride the pave to often. Contador has trained a bit on
> cobblestones this spring. My guess is that he can probably stay with
> Lance and field unless they really decide to go fast.

It's only June 30th, dumbass. You're a day early.

-rj


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 3:03 pm
From: --D-y


On Jun 30, 11:30 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/97th-tour-de-france-gt/stage-3
>
> Are the cobbles a risk to Contador?

This race beginning is an obvious gift-- and compliment-- to Lance
Armstrong.
Don't let anyone kid you, the French love him and would be ecstatic to
see him win Number Eight, a record that would be a long time in the
equalling, including a second miraculous comeback story.
--D-y

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Kirchen Possible Heart Attack
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0994eb0b86918592?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 12:31 pm
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jun 29, 12:46 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In the long list of potential negative effects on longevity due to a
> pro cycling career, I don't thing managed EPO/blood doping use (50%
> hct or less) would be that big an issue. I'd worry more about rhythm
> disturbances, long-term EIB effects, illiac artery issues, joint
> problems, bone mass loss, etc.
>

dumbass,

so what you're saying is: though you know more about the heart than i
do you also don't know what the risks are.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 1:17 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 30, 12:31 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 12:46 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In the long list of potential negative effects on longevity due to a
> > pro cycling career, I don't thing managed EPO/blood doping use (50%
> > hct or less) would be that big an issue. I'd worry more about rhythm
> > disturbances, long-term EIB effects, illiac artery issues, joint
> > problems, bone mass loss, etc.
>
> dumbass,
>
> so what you're saying is: though you know more about the heart than i
> do you also don't know what the risks are.

You're right, I don't know what the risks are, if any. I don't even
know if I know more about the heart than you do.

Brad Anders

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Doping in other sports
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0c4c3b9ca7ae859e?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 2:53 pm
From: dave a


http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/30/california.sports.drugs/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo

or

http://tinyurl.com/24355n2

Is Vicodin a PED?


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 3:42 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Strychnine is preferred but work your way up to man size doses
gently.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: The Philosophy of Faith versus Science – Lance and PEDs
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ba36316b5f828f68?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 3:25 pm
From: Phil H


It may be an oversimplification but the schools of thought appear IMO
to fall into one of the two subject categories. There are those whose
reality is faith based and those whose reality is based on scientific
evidence.

As individuals we may have suspicions about whether an athlete doped
or not; the difference is, one group has very different standards of
proof when it comes to deciding whether something is true or not. What
are examples of the indicators used to determine the reality of the
faith based group?

Hearsay – he said/she said.
Unprovable accusations – from disgruntled employees, teammates etc.
Unreliable testing – a claim of never testing positive is twisted
around and used as supporting evidence of guilt.
Rogue testing – illegally or unofficially obtained results.
Guilt by association – other team members caught later.
Insufficient Reasons – aka railroaded by retards (RBR). Lance was born
when jupiter aligned with mars on the eleventh vernal equinox 17 days
after lent therefore he must be a doper.
Immediate Decision – We aren't going to wait to collect and review all
of the evidence we'll rule on what just showed up while emotions are
high.
Argument Winning - rather than Truth Seeking
Limited Possibility Fallacy - Anyone who thinks Lance didn't dope is
either naive or stupid

The whole issue of concluding that Lance is a doper is missing one
single piece of hard irrefutable scientific evidence. That's exactly
the same for any other cyclist. The faith based group loves to create
gray clouds of suspicion but as far as the science goes, the issue is
simply black or white.

Phil H


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 3:37 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Phil - the 'faith based' are all on the "Lance is clean" camp. He has
tested positive for both 'at that time' and retroactive tests.

Those irrefutable facts, by themselves, make the "Lance is clean" camp
less about faith and more about denial and delusion.

As an agnostic non-theist (the only rational POV IMHO) I have no
problem admitting that "I don't know" or "can't know" when it comes to
a higher power.

However, when it comes to the Bible and Lance Armstrong, I can
unequivocally say that they are both full of shit and regurgitate a
constant stream of lies and only self-deceiving fools and the mentally
and morally weak believe in them.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 3:43 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/30/2010 6:37 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> Phil - the 'faith based' are all on the "Lance is clean" camp. He has
> tested positive for both 'at that time' and retroactive tests.
>
> Those irrefutable facts, by themselves, make the "Lance is clean" camp
> less about faith and more about denial and delusion.
>
> As an agnostic non-theist (the only rational POV IMHO) I have no
> problem admitting that "I don't know" or "can't know" when it comes to
> a higher power.
>
> However, when it comes to the Bible and Lance Armstrong, I can
> unequivocally say that they are both full of shit and regurgitate a
> constant stream of lies and only self-deceiving fools and the mentally
> and morally weak believe in them.
>

Think Unitarian Universalist where all of your answers are questioned. :-)


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 3:48 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jun 30, 5:43 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 6/30/2010 6:37 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>
> > Phil - the 'faith based' are all on the "Lance is clean" camp.  He has
> > tested positive for both 'at that time' and retroactive tests.
>
> > Those irrefutable facts, by themselves, make the "Lance is clean" camp
> > less about faith and more about denial and delusion.
>
> > As an agnostic non-theist (the only rational POV IMHO) I have no
> > problem admitting that "I don't know" or "can't know" when it comes to
> > a higher power.
>
> > However, when it comes to the Bible and Lance Armstrong, I can
> > unequivocally say that they are both full of shit and regurgitate a
> > constant stream of lies and only self-deceiving fools and the mentally
> > and morally weak believe in them.
>
> Think Unitarian Universalist where all of your answers are questioned. :-)

Yeah, those "there's more than one path to the mountain top" are the
most annoying fuckers of all


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 4:03 pm
From: rickhopkins


On Jun 30, 3:48 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 5:43 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 6/30/2010 6:37 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>
> > > Phil - the 'faith based' are all on the "Lance is clean" camp.  He has
> > > tested positive for both 'at that time' and retroactive tests.
>
> > > Those irrefutable facts, by themselves, make the "Lance is clean" camp
> > > less about faith and more about denial and delusion.
>
> > > As an agnostic non-theist (the only rational POV IMHO) I have no
> > > problem admitting that "I don't know" or "can't know" when it comes to
> > > a higher power.
>
> > > However, when it comes to the Bible and Lance Armstrong, I can
> > > unequivocally say that they are both full of shit and regurgitate a
> > > constant stream of lies and only self-deceiving fools and the mentally
> > > and morally weak believe in them.
>
> > Think Unitarian Universalist where all of your answers are questioned. :-)
>
> Yeah, those "there's more than one path to the mountain top" are the
> most annoying fuckers of all

Unitarian Universalist - aren't they the ones that burn a "?" on your
lawn.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 4:15 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 30, 3:37 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Phil - the 'faith based' are all on the "Lance is clean" camp.  He has
> tested positive for both 'at that time' and retroactive tests.

While I am not in the "Lance is clean" camp, none of the positive test
results you mention resulted in any form of sanctions against him. Not
even a slap on the wrist. Plus, despite being specifically targeted
for testing, he's passed hundreds of drug tests since his comeback.

If he's one of the worst dopers in the peloton as you say, then you've
got to admit that drug testing is a complete fraud. The officials are
corrupt (i.e. the unpunished positives) and the tests don't work (i.e.
worst doper in the peloton always tests negative).

So, what's your solution? Do you advocate dropping drug testing, since
it seems worthless? Got a better suggestion? How do you recommend that
they catch Lance doping? 24x7x365 A/V surveillance? Or would you be
willing to be a hall monitor again and take on the job?

Brad Anders

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TOPIC: Finally - the hard proof of mechanical doping we were waiting for
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/49a53ebc7a75ec77?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 4:11 pm
From: Anton Berlin


http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/06/bikes-tech/2011-specialized-roubaix-with-or-without-battery_123445/attachment/specialized-1


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TOPIC: The gray North Sea
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d39186dcece1cc5f?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 4:26 pm
From: Frederick the Great


So what's the deal? The Giro and TdF visit the gray
North Sea. Two hundred riders on narrow roads ripped
into tatters by the wind, falling like ten pins.
Another train wreck. And then the baby heads.

--
Old Fritz


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People love playing games online, and many get addicted to them. Casino games are very popular and playing them online has become a great pastime for many. There are games such as roulette, keno, slots, blackjack and video poker, just to name a few. The following will help you learn how you can play casino games online.


Instructions

Step 1
Decide whether you want to play for free or use money. Obviously, if you decide you want to gamble you should always be prepared to lose, so don't put in more than you can afford.
Step 2
Download anti-virus protection--this is a necessity.
Step 3
Find sites. There are sites where you can play for free. Some are listed in the resource section.
Step 4
Open an account if required. Most of the time it will be for a free account, but some sites require you to deposit money to play. These are good and bad sites, since you have the chance to win--or lose.
Step 5
Download software, if necessary, to play on the site. Some sites require you to download their software even to play online, Make sure you computer has enough hard drive space.
Step 6
Decide which game you want to play. This will also help you to choose which site you want to play at. There are numerous sites and you have to narrow it down somehow.
Step 7
Play your game. Have fun especially if you are on a free site. If you have chosen to play for money, watch your money and try to quit when you are ahead or at least when you have broken even.
 

How to Play Casino Games Online

Buzz It
People love playing games online, and many get addicted to them. Casino games are very popular and playing them online has become a great pastime for many. There are games such as roulette, keno, slots, blackjack and video poker, just to name a few. The following will help you learn how you can play casino games online.


Instructions

Step 1
Decide whether you want to play for free or use money. Obviously, if you decide you want to gamble you should always be prepared to lose, so don't put in more than you can afford.
Step 2
Download anti-virus protection--this is a necessity.
Step 3
Find sites. There are sites where you can play for free. Some are listed in the resource section.
Step 4
Open an account if required. Most of the time it will be for a free account, but some sites require you to deposit money to play. These are good and bad sites, since you have the chance to win--or lose.
Step 5
Download software, if necessary, to play on the site. Some sites require you to download their software even to play online, Make sure you computer has enough hard drive space.
Step 6
Decide which game you want to play. This will also help you to choose which site you want to play at. There are numerous sites and you have to narrow it down somehow.
Step 7
Play your game. Have fun especially if you are on a free site. If you have chosen to play for money, watch your money and try to quit when you are ahead or at least when you have broken even.
 

rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Liz Hatch Worst Quote Ever!!! - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9284816c8397ecfc?hl=en
* what a pic - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5ba2091cd291c88c?hl=en
* tdf x-ray machines - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3343a923be13519b?hl=en
* The Doctor In Brescia - 8 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8f070d125b7d8965?hl=en
* The French Surrender Again - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4b837ae7abe0cd17?hl=en
* 5 Man Race? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e839b944d2dfdf3c?hl=en
* TdF Stage 3 - Risk to Contador? - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/17379c8d766113ba?hl=en
* Floyd the Scientistic - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6785b5cd683f1447?hl=en

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TOPIC: Liz Hatch Worst Quote Ever!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9284816c8397ecfc?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 12:15 am
From: Superfly TNT


http://www.een.be/programmas/villa-vanthilt/liz-hatch-en-haar-idool-ludo-dierckxsens

Go to 4:06 into the video clip for this gem....

"Cycling in the US is not important." Liz Hatch


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 5:41 am
From: Scott


On Jun 30, 1:15 am, Superfly TNT <superfly-...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.een.be/programmas/villa-vanthilt/liz-hatch-en-haar-idool-l...
>
> Go to 4:06 into the video clip for this gem....
>
> "Cycling in the US is not important."  Liz Hatch

Hate to rain on your Liz-bashing parade, but in the context of which
she was speaking, she was exactly right.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 5:51 am
From: NoDannyNo


On Jun 30, 3:15 am, Superfly TNT <superfly-...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.een.be/programmas/villa-vanthilt/liz-hatch-en-haar-idool-l...
>
> Go to 4:06 into the video clip for this gem....
>
> "Cycling in the US is not important."  Liz Hatch

If you're gonna slam her, don't do it for stating facts. Do it for
admitting that she didn't know that you have to occasionally pump up
bicycle tires or for feigning modesty about her pseudo-nudey pics.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 8:00 am
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Jun 30, 2:15 am, Superfly TNT <superfly-...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.een.be/programmas/villa-vanthilt/liz-hatch-en-haar-idool-l...
>
> Go to 4:06 into the video clip for this gem....
>
> "Cycling in the US is not important."  Liz Hatch

This made me like LH a little bit more.

As for the best quote in the video, that comes at about 3:40, and has
nothing to do with Liz.

-rj

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TOPIC: what a pic
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5ba2091cd291c88c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 12:45 am
From: Fred on a stick


On 6/30/2010 2:26 AM, H. Fred Kveck wrote:
> In article<aa18ba41-0dd3-4e54-9d60-93bd38bdc253@x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> ronaldo_jeremiah<ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.zzipper.com/testimonials/Photos/GeoffWallace.jpg
>
> Too bad he forgot his Birkenstocks and the Bell Biker helmet from '75.

Yellow like a raincoat, with strategically placed see-through bits that
aren't otherwise functional, ridden by a creepy old guy. Ugh. Forget the
Birkenstocks, I'm just glad he's wearing pants.


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TOPIC: tdf x-ray machines
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3343a923be13519b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 12:53 am
From: Michael Press


In article
<295a7812-0638-4a6a-9ee0-8a972d46e134@k1g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
Brad Anders <pbanders@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 29, 6:58 pm, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Lance always seems to have access to the best and the brightest, and you
> > know if there is a way to defeat the x-ray machines looking for any type
> > grubered bike, he will know how to do it.  Lance knows, if someone tells
> > him how it's done, that it is very likely that one of his competitors
> > will also discover the way to create an undetectable grubered bike.  You
> > could probably reconstruct a gruber-assist using carbon fiber, or some
> > sort of shield, and you know the CIA can defeat an airport scanner, if
> > they had to, every technology can be defeated with more technology.
> > Lance is the only one left from the starting field in the 1997 tdf, so
> > he has to have some sort of ace up his sleeve.  If you see him riding
> > away from Contador in the Pyrenees Mountains, you will marvel that Lance
> > has once again out smarted them all.
>
> What I marvel at is that you haven't gotten stuffed into a bag and
> taken back to the loony bin.

Th th th th th th th that's all, Folks.

--
Michael Press


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 2:11 am
From: Betty


Cicero Venatio wrote:
>> Lance always seems to have access to the best and the brightest, and you
>> know if there is a way to defeat the x-ray machines looking for any type
>> grubered bike, he will know how to do it.

Brad Anders wrote:
> What I marvel at is that you haven't gotten stuffed into a bag and
> taken back to the loony bin.

Give the ghoul a brake (sic), he's still disappointed that
a) Kirchen had a genetic heart disease so his heart problem had nothing
to do with doping and
b) Kirchen survived.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 10:30 am
From: Anton Berlin


That's kooky talk

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TOPIC: The Doctor In Brescia
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8f070d125b7d8965?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 3:31 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/police-carry-out-doping-raids-in-italy


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 4:28 am
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"


On Jun 30, 6:31 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/police-carry-out-doping-raids-in-italy

where did you hear of this site "cyclingnews.com"? it's very cool
that you found it and post all these informative and insightful
links. I never would never known about it or visited it otherwise.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 4:42 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/30/2010 7:28 AM, derFahrer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 30, 6:31 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/police-carry-out-doping-raids-in-italy
>
> where did you hear of this site "cyclingnews.com"? it's very cool
> that you found it and post all these informative and insightful
> links. I never would never known about it or visited it otherwise.
>
One of the real perks to checking in at rbr.


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 6:29 am
From: --D-y


On Jun 30, 5:31 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/police-carry-out-doping-raids-in-italy

Meanwhile, bad guys who can and will shoot back are getting a break.

"They're all still doping".
--D-y


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 6:54 am
From: "Steve Freides"


B. Lafferty wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/police-carry-out-doping-raids-in-italy

I'll bet you told them where to find they could find the drugs. C'mon,
now, admit it.

-S-


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 7:07 am
From: DirtRoadie


On Jun 30, 5:28 am, "derFah...@gmail.com" <derfah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 6:31 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/police-carry-out-doping-raids-in-italy
>
> where did you hear of this site "cyclingnews.com"?  it's very cool
> that you found it and post all these informative and insightful
> links.  I never would never known about it or visited it otherwise.

Lordy! There is even news about BICYCLE RACING there! Almost makes
you want to stop looking here for such news, doesn't it?


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 8:12 am
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 6/30/2010 9:54 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> B. Lafferty wrote:
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/police-carry-out-doping-raids-in-italy
>
> I'll bet you told them where to find they could find the drugs. C'mon,
> now, admit it.
>
> -S-
>
>
Bugno told them where to look.


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 11:39 am
From: "Steve Freides"


B. Lafferty wrote:
> On 6/30/2010 9:54 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> B. Lafferty wrote:
>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/police-carry-out-doping-raids-in-italy
>>
>> I'll bet you told them where to find they could find the drugs.
>> C'mon, now, admit it.
>>
>> -S-
>>
>>
> Bugno told them where to look.

Nah, say it ain't so! I thought it was you - you're just being modest.

-S-

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TOPIC: The French Surrender Again
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4b837ae7abe0cd17?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 7:33 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jun 29, 5:24 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 7:26 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 29, 10:48 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > "Henry" <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > I think India, China (and Russia) all have more population, money (?)
> > > > and football players. OK, maybe not India :)
>
> > > Dumbass -
>
> > > A nation has to be industrialized for a generation or more for the wealth
> > > (wealth enables time to be spent on leisure activities like sport) to take
> > > effect.
>
> > > None of the countries you mention are fully industrialized, not even China.
>
> > > Note the ascendancy of Japan and South Korea.
>
> > > thanks,
>
> > > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> > I was sure (and wrong) that after the 2008 Olympics that China would
> > foucs on football. Big stadii, a premium league, coke snorting
> > footballers and the WAG's. Mind you, getting caught doping in China
> > could be a lot more serious than Western countries!
>
> Dumbass -
>
> China will put $$$$ into it, but getting to the top in
> football(soccer) is a lot harder than a lot of those little Olympic
> sports. It's the number one sport for quite a number of fully
> industrialized nations whom have a rich tradition in that sport.
>
> It'll take China a generation, just like it's taking the US a
> generation. It might even be harder for China since they're going to
> be an extremely urbanized nation. Soccer fields will be expensive
> infrastructure.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Dumbass,

Here are some interesting opinions on the subject:

http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/where-are-chinas-soccer-stars/

They touch on the issue you mention, that soccer
is already a popular sport in wealthy industrialized
nations. Although there are small non-wealthy nations
that are more competitive than China, but that goes
to your other point about tradition. One of the
interesting opinions is that there is a difference between
sports in which athletes benefit from early selection
and full time training (gymnastics, or probably diving)
and ones in which ability matures later, like soccer.
In the latter case you need a large pool of players,
and they don't necessarily benefit from being isolated
early at olympic training centers. This decentralized
pathway may not work as well in China, and it also
suggests why it's hard to rise to the top of the sport
just by throwing money at it - something that I think
the US's slow improvement at soccer also demonstrates.

When I was about 12 or so I played on a club soccer
team (I was terrible BTW) and we used to take a van
out to the burbs to play middle school teams, I think
because there weren't other clubs of kids that age
for us to play in the city, a city of about 400K people.
That's one reason that US soccer sucked, and still
kinda sucks. No pipeline.

Fredkeeper Ben

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TOPIC: 5 Man Race?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 8:24 am
From: DirtRoadie


On Jun 27, 8:43 pm, "brian_j_r...@yahoo.com" <brian_j_r...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Luxemborg National Championships.  5th place 23 minutes back?
>
> Fränk Schleck (Team Saxo Bank) 4:15:14
> 2 Andy Schleck (Team Saxo Bank)
> 3 Ben Gastauer (AG2R La Mondiale) 0:00:35
> 4 Laurent Didier (Team Saxo Bank) 0:02:14
> 5 Cyrille Heymans (Continental Team Differdange) 0:23:05

Not much depth in the field.
Fifth was an up-and-coming junior.
http://bit.ly/bogWwc

DR

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TOPIC: TdF Stage 3 - Risk to Contador?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/17379c8d766113ba?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 9:30 am
From: Brad Anders


http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/97th-tour-de-france-gt/stage-3

Are the cobbles a risk to Contador?

Brad Anders


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 11:20 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 6/30/2010 11:30 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/97th-tour-de-france-gt/stage-3
>
> Are the cobbles a risk to Contador?
>
> Brad Anders

Given his status as a former teammate of Lance Armstrong and
past employee of Tailwind Sports he would be foolish to ride
cobbles without first consulting legal counsel.

B. Lafferty


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 11:39 am
From: DA74


On Jun 30, 11:20 am, Fred Flintstein
<bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
> On 6/30/2010 11:30 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/97th-tour-de-france-gt/stage-3
>
> > Are the cobbles a risk to Contador?
>
> > Brad Anders
>
> Given his status as a former teammate of Lance Armstrong and
> past employee of Tailwind Sports he would be foolish to ride
> cobbles without first consulting legal counsel.
>
> B. Lafferty


No, that is silly. A former Belgian pro told me that a friend of his
heard that he trained really hard for that stage, the kind of training
where he would take stimulants and then pair that up with "shit to
enhance recovery" - He'll be fine.

-Bib Shworts

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TOPIC: Floyd the Scientistic
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6785b5cd683f1447?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 10:50 am
From: "Tony Frankfurt"

An interesting article is here looking at the impacts of Floyd allegations and
exploration how riders are able to continue race undetected.

"Landis further lowered the risk of detection, he informed SI, by learning
how to use the Sysmex machine, an automated blood analyzer owned by Phonak,
his team from 2005-06, and also learned to monitor his reticulocytes with a
microscope."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/austin_murphy/06/30/effect.of.landis.accusations/


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 11:04 am
From: Brad Anders


On Jun 30, 10:50 am, "Tony Frankfurt" <n...@null.null> wrote:
> An interesting article is here looking at the impacts of Floyd allegations and
> exploration how riders are able to continue race undetected.
>
> "Landis further lowered the risk of detection, he informed SI, by learning
> how to use the Sysmex machine, an automated blood analyzer owned by Phonak,
> his team from 2005-06, and also learned to monitor his reticulocytes with a
> microscope."
>
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/austin_murphy/06/30/eff...

Every time I read an article where Michael Ashenden is quoted, I'm
staggered by his intellect. Quotes:

"It is easier to catch someone doping if you know what, when, and how,
they are doping,"

Brilliant.

"I had never contemplated that riders would continue to use EPO during
a Tour,"

Perceptive.

"I fear we may be approaching the limit of how invasive testing can
be ... How do you balance the obvious need for riders to sleep with an
awareness that if they [microdose] in the evening, traces will have
disappeared by 6am next morning? On which side does the public want to
fall: protecting clean riders from doped competitors, or protecting a
doped rider's sleep?"

Compassionate.

The man is a treasure.

Brad Anders

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 11:35 am
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"


>
> "Landis further lowered the risk of detection, he informed SI, by learning
> how to use the Sysmex machine,

The reporter got it wrong. Flandis really said "... learned how to
ride the Sybian ..."

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 11:50 am
From: DA74


On Jun 30, 11:04 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 10:50 am, "Tony Frankfurt" <n...@null.null> wrote:
>
> > An interesting article is here looking at the impacts of Floyd allegations and
> > exploration how riders are able to continue race undetected.
>
> > "Landis further lowered the risk of detection, he informed SI, by learning
> > how to use the Sysmex machine, an automated blood analyzer owned by Phonak,
> > his team from 2005-06, and also learned to monitor his reticulocytes with a
> > microscope."
>
> >http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/austin_murphy/06/30/eff...
>
> Every time I read an article where Michael Ashenden is quoted, I'm
> staggered by his intellect. Quotes:
>
> "It is easier to catch someone doping if you know what, when, and how,
> they are doping,"
>
> Brilliant.
>
> "I had never contemplated that riders would continue to use EPO during
> a Tour,"
>
> Perceptive.
>
> "I fear we may be approaching the limit of how invasive testing can
> be ... How do you balance the obvious need for riders to sleep with an
> awareness that if they [microdose] in the evening, traces will have
> disappeared by 6am next morning? On which side does the public want to
> fall: protecting clean riders from doped competitors, or protecting a
> doped rider's sleep?"
>
> Compassionate.
>
> The man is a treasure.
>
> Brad Anders

He's not a treasure dickwad. He's a total fucking asshole for
critisizing Coyle's research about Lance's increased muscle
efficiency. It's Coyle's data therefore Coyle should have the right to
draw any conclusion he wants to support his hypothesis.


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