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Today's topics:
* Rudy P»venage Quotes - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/642b1409e0625936?hl=en
* Versus is killing cycling - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/50dfea6a6b1d3516?hl=en
* TdF tracking - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf09f77b2d4bca8b?hl=en
* Nash Equilibrium, Omerta & Doping - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/108ffdb7c581b5a4?hl=en
* time to shut down rbr? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/931e1762bba0d9bf?hl=en
* Mark Renshaw - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/79728fc3469f3ff8?hl=en
* There's Nothing More Pathetic... - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dd5fe2e2449a4e37?hl=en
* Some scenic roads not in the Tour - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d66899894b8fd970?hl=en
* Who was the best sprinter on a golden-age-of-LANCE team? - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8abd26604e5a4819?hl=en
* Tour is a little boring without some scandal - announcing the Floyd
Flightness Program - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8d7135bafa51246b?hl=en
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TOPIC: Rudy P»venage Quotes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/642b1409e0625936?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 11:22 am
From: Frederick the Great
In article <i16gsr$jdq$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemachine@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Keith" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:b4ic36hvli1is92ikvn6nbd3rfd4u6jgi1@4ax.com...
>
>
> <bullshit snipped>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Don't kid yourself. Ullrich was doping before he ever turned professional.
Suppose he _wants_ to kid himself? It is free country.
--
Old Fritz
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 11:29 am
From: "K. Fred Gauss"
On 07/09/2010 07:53 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> On 7/9/2010 9:44 AM, raamman wrote:
>> On Jul 9, 8:56 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>> raamman wrote:
>>>> On Jul 8, 9:55 pm, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> FF is right, east germans doped at every possible turn from
>>>>> childhood.
>>>
>>>>> Blame Honecker if you want to be correct
>>>
>>>> prize money and salary paid in foriegn currency to be heavily taxed by
>>>> the state, or simply garnished and the athelete rewarded with a parade
>>>> yep- except he was a little young to be a pro while the DDR existed.
>>>> there is no reason they would've wasted dope on someone without seeing
>>>> real talent first and an imminent reward
>>>
>>> Dumbass,
>>>
>>> Fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Ullrich"
>>>
>>> "Ullrich won his first bicycle race at 11. He was educated in the
>>> sports training system of the German Democratic Republic attending
>>> the KJS sports school in Berlin in 1986. In 1988, he was champion
>>> of the German Democratic Republic. The school closed two years
>>> after the fall of the Berlin wall in 1989."
>>>
>>> I'm just curious, how many decades have you been watching the Tour?
>>> I just want to be sure you are accorded the same respect as veteran
>>> Tour watchers like Keith.
>>>
>>> Fred Flintstein
>>
>> that's as a national AMATUER- why the fuck would the state bother
>> doping a kid for a local bike race ? jeeze, you guys sure are dumb-
>> must be alllll that medical weed. and your educational system. why
>> would you get up from your twinkies and procycling manager game to
>> post here ?
>
> That was classic, thanks. It isn't as good as having the rbr
> universal salutation tattooed on your forehead but it's still
> pretty good.
This is why RBR continues to provide a valuable service. Nowhere else
has preserved the history of professional athletics in communist
countries during the cold war. It's an education, it is.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 12:51 pm
From: Betty
K. Fred Gauss wrote:
> This is why RBR continues to provide a valuable service. Nowhere else
> has preserved the history of professional athletics in communist
> countries during the cold war. It's an education, it is.
Perhaps LANCE is a sleeper Russian agent.
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TOPIC: Versus is killing cycling
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/50dfea6a6b1d3516?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 12:06 pm
From: Anton Berlin
1. The idiot announcers - this morning "It's going to be a hot day in
France with temps approaching 100 celcius"
(global warming has gotten extreme in Europe? )
2. The "all sponsors - all Lance" commercials - Isn't there anyone
else qualified to sell beer, electric cars and cell phones? Is Road
ID the only bonafide product outside of these? If you don't cultivate
some 'stars' for next year and beyond you won't have a sponsor.
3. The painfully long sequeways featuring the same graphics and music
for 4+ years now.... god damn it you cunts get a clue - do like
eurosport does and slam right in and out of the racing without taking
another 30 seconds on each side.
4. The 'good old boys' show... after their inability to spot Lance's
flat tire the other day (RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR FUCKING EYES) I have
no faith that these ball lickers even give a shit about cycling.
They're just happy to get a free t-shirt and stay at the hotel
Formule1. There has got to be a better option than these fucknuts.
Frankie is still asking questions like the local high school football
tv coverage despite being there the last 15 years +. C'mon versus if
you're going to have someone ask stupid air head noob questions make
sure she's gots some tits or a nice ass and not a god damn unibrow.
5. Lame graphics - they showed a sprint graphic the other day and it
had all the sophistication of a DeVry freshman class project from
1998. WTF? Did you spend your budget on? Use an xtranormal movie
for fucks sake, they're free and better quality than that communism
era cartoon you're currently using.
I hate you mother fuckers, the only reason I watch is to see if the
set somehow catches fire and you all suffer massive and painful
burns.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 1:15 pm
From: Geraard Spergen
On Jul 9, 12:06 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 1. The idiot announcers - this morning "It's going to be a hot day in
> France with temps approaching 100 celcius"
>
> (global warming has gotten extreme in Europe? )
>
> 2. The "all sponsors - all Lance" commercials - Isn't there anyone
> else qualified to sell beer, electric cars and cell phones? Is Road
> ID the only bonafide product outside of these? If you don't cultivate
> some 'stars' for next year and beyond you won't have a sponsor.
They must have really hurt you, bro.
I kind of like the Lance commercials with that fat guy and the
insurance company.
> 4. The 'good old boys' show...
> you're going to have someone ask stupid air head noob questions make
> sure she's gots some tits or a nice ass and not a god damn unibrow.
OK, this is a excellent idea.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 1:28 pm
From: Betty
Anton Berlin wrote:
>> 4. The 'good old boys' show...
>> you're going to have someone ask stupid air head noob questions make
>> sure she's gots some tits or a nice ass and not a god damn unibrow.
Geraard Spergen wrote:
> OK, this is a excellent idea.
They could learn from RAI.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 1:36 pm
From: DA74
On Jul 9, 1:15 pm, Geraard Spergen <GeraardSper...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jul 9, 12:06 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 4. The 'good old boys' show...
> > you're going to have someone ask stupid air head noob questions make
> > sure she's gots some tits or a nice ass and not a god damn unibrow.
>
> OK, this is a excellent idea.
I don't know what broadcast you're watching but Bob seems to have a
decent set of tits...
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 5:14 pm
From: Revtom
On Jul 9, 3:36 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 9, 1:15 pm, Geraard Spergen <GeraardSper...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 9, 12:06 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > 4. The 'good old boys' show...
> > > you're going to have someone ask stupid air head noob questions make
> > > sure she's gots some tits or a nice ass and not a god damn unibrow.
>
> > OK, this is a excellent idea.
>
> I don't know what broadcast you're watching but Bob seems to have a
> decent set of tits...
Get ready for everything to get worse. Comcast owns Versus; Comcast is
trying to buy NBC/Universal. Once Net Neutrality is killed off, all TV
is going to get a whole lot dumber. The "market" is going to be
whittled down to maybe three major sources for communication and
"entertainment". Without net neutrality, getting access to another
network's programming will cost whatever they charge. Yum.
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TOPIC: TdF tracking
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf09f77b2d4bca8b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 12:08 pm
From: Bob Martin
I haven't seen anyone else mention this but you can track and monitor HTC riders on
http://www.google.com/landing/mytrackstour/
I think it's excellent!
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 1:56 pm
From: drmofe
On Jul 10, 7:08 am, Bob Martin <bob.mar...@excite.com> wrote:
> I haven't seen anyone else mention this but you can track and monitor HTC riders onhttp://www.google.com/landing/mytrackstour/
>
> I think it's excellent!
I hear they have to carry these extra battery packs to keep the phone
charged, but they have a Therapeutic Use Exemption from the UCI that
gets them round the X-ray checks.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 6:11 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Jul 9, 1:56 pm, drmofe <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 7:08 am, Bob Martin <bob.mar...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> > I haven't seen anyone else mention this but you can track and monitor HTC riders onhttp://www.google.com/landing/mytrackstour/
>
> > I think it's excellent!
>
> I hear they have to carry these extra battery packs to keep the phone
> charged, but they have a Therapeutic Use Exemption from the UCI that
> gets them round the X-ray checks.
Chort. Now me: WADA is using this as a pilot program. Next year the
pros will have to use these 24/7. They're calling it the Rasmussen
Device.
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TOPIC: Nash Equilibrium, Omerta & Doping
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/108ffdb7c581b5a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 12:31 pm
From: Mark
On Jul 8, 3:13 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "DA74" <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:38e6e8b0-c7d4-4ce4-87d7-a7201a7f7fe0@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> : My bro Michael Shermer drops gets down to brass tacks for you. Click
> : away from fleshbot.com and click this to learn something for a change:
> :
> :http://trueslant.com/michaelshermer/2010/07/07/nash-equilibrium-the-o...
>
> Dumbass -
>
> It's a good article until the end. At the end he proposes his solution to
> the "problem" of doping.
>
> Imagining that doping can be eradicated is a total fallacy. The larger
> society in which sport resides dopes to quite an extreme degree so it is
> only natural that doping occurs in sport. Doping will never go away. All
> they can do is try to contain it.
>
> Just like with all the other drugs. The use is contained, but it will never
> be eradicated.
>
> thanks,
>
> Sociology. presented by Gringioni.
The reality in sociology and anthropology textbooks is collecting dust
on library shelves. For better or for worse, most people are not
interested in it...
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 2:28 pm
From: Brad Anders
On Jul 8, 12:13 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "DA74" <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:38e6e8b0-c7d4-4ce4-87d7-a7201a7f7fe0@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> : My bro Michael Shermer drops gets down to brass tacks for you. Click
> : away from fleshbot.com and click this to learn something for a change:
> :
> :http://trueslant.com/michaelshermer/2010/07/07/nash-equilibrium-the-o...
>
> Dumbass -
>
> It's a good article until the end. At the end he proposes his solution to
> the "problem" of doping.
>
> Imagining that doping can be eradicated is a total fallacy. The larger
> society in which sport resides dopes to quite an extreme degree so it is
> only natural that doping occurs in sport. Doping will never go away. All
> they can do is try to contain it.
>
> Just like with all the other drugs. The use is contained, but it will never
> be eradicated.
>
> thanks,
>
> Sociology. presented by Gringioni.
This is a correct analysis.
Brad Anders
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 2:32 pm
From: Brad Anders
On Jul 8, 5:48 am, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Jul 7, 11:59 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My bro Michael Shermer drops gets down to brass tacks for you. Click
> > away from fleshbot.com and click this to learn something for a change:
>
> >http://trueslant.com/michaelshermer/2010/07/07/nash-equilibrium-the-o...
>
> Nothing new there. Scorched earth, eternal test test testing. He did
> leave out quarantining of athletes, and only hinted at lifetime ban on
> hint of first offense (ooooo, scary! scary!)
Nothing new because there is nothing new on this topic. IMO, the ever-
escalating attempts to make cycling "clean" are destroying it more
effectively than dope could ever do.
Brad Anders
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 5:45 pm
From: DA74
On Jul 9, 2:28 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 12:13 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "DA74" <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:38e6e8b0-c7d4-4ce4-87d7-a7201a7f7fe0@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> > : My bro Michael Shermer drops gets down to brass tacks for you. Click
> > : away from fleshbot.com and click this to learn something for a change:
> > :
> > :http://trueslant.com/michaelshermer/2010/07/07/nash-equilibrium-the-o...
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > It's a good article until the end. At the end he proposes his solution to
> > the "problem" of doping.
>
> > Imagining that doping can be eradicated is a total fallacy. The larger
> > society in which sport resides dopes to quite an extreme degree so it is
> > only natural that doping occurs in sport. Doping will never go away. All
> > they can do is try to contain it.
>
> > Just like with all the other drugs. The use is contained, but it will never
> > be eradicated.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Sociology. presented by Gringioni.
>
> This is a correct analysis.
>
> Brad Anders- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is a correct analysis of a correct analysis.
DA74
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TOPIC: time to shut down rbr?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/931e1762bba0d9bf?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 12:31 pm
From: "Fred Gringioni"
"B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:xsydneJTY7deJ6jRnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
: On 7/8/2010 7:34 AM, Cicero Venatio wrote:
: > When I saw the silhouette of Lance alone in the dust cloud on the dirt
: > stage, it kind of dawned on me that this is also the end of rbr. Without
: > Lance there is no rbr. We had a good run, but it's time for all of us to
: > move on, to bigger and better things. Kind of like when we moved on from
: > Radio Shack years ago.
:
: LOL. rbr will survive without Lance.
Dumbass -
When LANCE goes away, you go away.
Hopefully the two of you would go away again.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
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TOPIC: Mark Renshaw
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/79728fc3469f3ff8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 2:25 pm
From: Brad Anders
On Jul 9, 11:05 am, S Perryman <a...@a.net> wrote:
> Uncle Dave wrote:
> > Not a rider I know anything about because HTC don't exactly make the
> > proper races a priority, just these long, lazy, summer promenades
> > designs to fill otherwise empty media airtime ;-)
> > But, jeez, he is one of the best lead-out men I've seen and I've seen
> > a few...
>
> In days of yore, one of the good pilot fish in the late 1970s for the great
> Freddie Maertens, was a young team mate named ... Sean Kelly.
>
> Perhaps Renshaw should take note.
>
> Regards,
> Steven Perryman
All great, no doubt. Renshaw is impressive, not only does he have the
speed, he's sharp on his positioning, aggressive, and not easily
intimidated. Combined with similar traits from Cavendish it makes a
hard combo to beat.
Garmin looks to have some very fast guys (Dean, etc.), but they come
off as boobs in the last 500 m. If they can get it right, I'd really
like to see Ferrar and Cavendish go at it in the last 200 m on an
equal footing.
Brad Anders
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TOPIC: There's Nothing More Pathetic...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dd5fe2e2449a4e37?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 2:37 pm
From: Brad Anders
... than watching skinny-ass bike racers try to beat on each other.
I've seen 6th graders do a better job of it. Looks more like a cheap
porn movie than a fight.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fight-breaks-out-after-tour-stage-6
Brad Anders
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 3:02 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 7/9/2010 5:37 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
> ... than watching skinny-ass bike racers try to beat on each other.
> I've seen 6th graders do a better job of it. Looks more like a cheap
> porn movie than a fight.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fight-breaks-out-after-tour-stage-6
>
> Brad Anders
Not quite ready for a Bruce Lee film--although the comedy would fit in
well.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 4:06 pm
From: RicodJour
On Jul 9, 5:37 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ... than watching skinny-ass bike racers try to beat on each other.
> I've seen 6th graders do a better job of it. Looks more like a cheap
> porn movie than a fight.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fight-breaks-out-after-tour-stage-6
Oh, yes there is. I clicked on a link on that page and was taken to
this:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/greg-lemond/cobblestones-crashes-and-potential-winners-of-the-tour
Greg is a douchebag. I mean an honest to God douchebag. Even when
he's not trying to be a douchebag...whoops!...he's a douchebag.
He writes how he took out an old man of the sport, effectively ending
his career, because he's smiling for the camera, he thinks that
roadside nurses are such big cycling fans that they don't want to cut
off his jersey (must have really rocked the continent the way he
racked up that COORS CLASSIC win the year before - scared the shit out
of the pro peloton, I bet), and there's more douchebaggery heaped upon
douchebaggery.
Why isn't he running for office?
R
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 5:43 pm
From: DA74
On Jul 9, 2:37 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ... than watching skinny-ass bike racers try to beat on each other.
> I've seen 6th graders do a better job of it. Looks more like a cheap
> porn movie than a fight.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fight-breaks-out-after-tour-stage-6
>
> Brad Anders
Here's the video. Just the first few seconds where you can see the
limp fists fly (37 seconds long):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KveDxORwcw8
But here's a better one of the fight done with xtranormal (40 seconds
long):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rc88xTRjo8
DA74
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TOPIC: Some scenic roads not in the Tour
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d66899894b8fd970?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 2:56 pm
From: Anton Berlin
Worth a look
http://matadortrips.com/photo-essay-the-worlds-most-spectacular-roads-vol-2
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 2:59 pm
From: Anton Berlin
Some more
http://matadortrips.com/the-worlds-most-spectacular-roads
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TOPIC: Who was the best sprinter on a golden-age-of-LANCE team?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8abd26604e5a4819?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 3:40 pm
From: drmofe
On Jul 9, 5:29 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> LA's squad has always focused on the overall win, so I'm curious who
> was considered the best sprinter on a what-me-sprint? team.
Raul Alcala
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 3:54 pm
From: RicodJour
On Jul 9, 6:40 pm, drmofe <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
> On Jul 9, 5:29 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > LA's squad has always focused on the overall win, so I'm curious who
> > was considered the best sprinter on a what-me-sprint? team.
>
> Raul Alcala
Alcala was done, really, by the time he was on a team with LANCE, and
I am really asking about a LANCE team. Alcala was on a Lance team,
before Lance became LANCE. In the not too distant future, LANCE will
morph his name into an unpronounceable symbol like that other idiot
that used to be Prince.
Sorry to say, Bobbi Eden won't be giving you a BJ, but thanks for
participating.
R
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TOPIC: Tour is a little boring without some scandal - announcing the Floyd
Flightness Program
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8d7135bafa51246b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 4:05 pm
From: Scott
On Jul 8, 8:03 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If we all chip in a few bucks we can fly Floyd back to France where he
> can either raise a big stink in a face to face confrontation with
> CanceRmstrong and/or get arrested himself for that computer hacking.
>
who needs doping allegations when you can watch post-stage fights!
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