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Re: Medarticles Articles required 11-07-10

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Dear Plz help with the following articles. thanks in advance

1.Traditional plants as source of functional foods: a review
Authors: G. Riveraab; V. Bocanegra-Garciacuteaab; A. Mongec
CyTA - Journal of Food, Volume 8, Issue 2 August 2010 , pages 159 - 167
DOI: 10.1080/19476330903322978

2. Mushrooms as a Source of Anti-Inflammatory Agents
A. García-Lafuente, C. Moro, A. Villares, E. Guillamón, M.A. Rostagno, M. D'Arrigo and J.A. Martínez
Anti-Inflammatory & Anti-Allergy Agents in Medicinal Chemistry
Volume 9, Number 2, June 2010, Pp.125-141
DOI: 10.2174/187152310791110643

3. Prenyloxyphenylpropanoids as a Novel Class of Anti-inflammatory Agents
S. Genovese, M. Curini and F. Epifano
Anti-Inflammatory & Anti-Allergy Agents in Medicinal Chemistry
Volume 9, Number 2, June 2010, Pp.158-165
DOI: 10.2174/187152310791110616

4. A critical review of analytical methods for subvisible and visible particles.
Narhi LO, Jiang Y, Cao S, Benedek K, Shnek D.
Curr Pharm Biotechnol. 2009 Jun;10(4):373-81.
PMID: 19519412




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Medarticles Articles required 11-07-10

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Dear Plz help with the following articles. thanks in advance

1.Traditional plants as source of functional foods: a review
Authors: G. Riveraab; V. Bocanegra-Garciacuteaab; A. Mongec
CyTA - Journal of Food, Volume 8, Issue 2 August 2010 , pages 159 - 167
DOI: 10.1080/19476330903322978

2. Mushrooms as a Source of Anti-Inflammatory Agents
A. García-Lafuente, C. Moro, A. Villares, E. Guillamón, M.A. Rostagno, M. D'Arrigo and J.A. Martínez
Anti-Inflammatory & Anti-Allergy Agents in Medicinal Chemistry
Volume 9, Number 2, June 2010, Pp.125-141
DOI: 10.2174/187152310791110643

3. Prenyloxyphenylpropanoids as a Novel Class of Anti-inflammatory Agents
S. Genovese, M. Curini and F. Epifano
Anti-Inflammatory & Anti-Allergy Agents in Medicinal Chemistry
Volume 9, Number 2, June 2010, Pp.158-165
DOI: 10.2174/187152310791110616

4. A critical review of analytical methods for subvisible and visible particles.
Narhi LO, Jiang Y, Cao S, Benedek K, Shnek D.
Curr Pharm Biotechnol. 2009 Jun;10(4):373-81.
PMID: 19519412




Thanks

Best Regards

P. Rathee
Asst. Professor
PDM College of Pharmacy
Bahadurgarh
Ph:09466593965
Res:0126229566

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Re: Medarticles find medical book

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Not available.  Another book on subject

Orthopaedic Knowledge Update 6: Home Study Syllabus
by: James H., MD Beaty

Description:

Compilation of core information and updated information from the orthopedic literature (1994 through early 1998). Includes sections on: general knowledge, systemic disorders, upper extremity, lower extremity, and spine. Halftone illustrations. For clinicians.


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On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Tuấn Trần Anh <trananhtuantayho@yahoo.com.vn> wrote:
Dear all
Plz help me finding the following books:
1. Orthopaeidcs knowledge update 9 (
Publisher: American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons.ISBN-13: 9780892034178; ISBN: 0892034173)
2. Orthopaedics knowledge update: Trauma 4. ISBN 9780892036929
Thanks
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:3336 Young People: Preventing HIV/AIDS: UNFPA

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Young People: Preventing HIV/AIDS: UNFPA

Young People: The Greatest Hope for Turning the Tide
http://www.unfpa.org/hiv/people.htm


Diverse lives, varied interventions
Taking the lead to protect young people
Youth-adult partnerships on HIV prevention
Why focus on young people?
Keeping our promises

Young people remain at the centre of the HIV/AIDS epidemic in terms of
rates of infection, vulnerability, impact, and potential for change.
They have grown up in a world changed by AIDS but many still lack
comprehensive and correct knowledge about how to prevent HIV
infection. This situation persists even though the world has agreed
that young people have the human right to education, information and
services that could protect them from harm.

Young people are disproportionately affected in the HIV pandemic. They
face the economic and social impact of HIV/AIDS on families,
communities, and nations, and they must be at the centre of prevention
actions. Where young people are well informed of HIV risks and
prevention strategies, they are changing their behaviour in ways that
reduces their vulnerability. For example, in several countries,
targeted education has led to delayed sexual debut and increased use
of condoms resulting in a decrease in HIV prevalence in young people.
Yet efforts to increase HIV knowledge among young people remain
inadequate.

Diverse lives, varied interventions

Young people are diverse. Interventions must be tailored to meet their
individual characteristics and circumstances, such as age, sex,
religion, socioeconomic and marital status and domestic arrangements,
among other factors. Interventions should specifically address the
needs of vulnerable and high-risk groups of young people, including
injecting drug users (IDUs), whose high-risk behaviour has been
identified as a driving force behind HIV transmission in Eastern
Europe and Central Asia.

UNFPA strives to build on and expand rights-based policies and
programmes that promote healthy adolescent development and provide
them with age-appropriate knowledge and tools to make informed
choices. UNFPA-supported programmes emphasize behaviour change,
including abstinence or delay in sexual debut, reduction in the number
of sexual partners, monogamy, and correct and consistent condom use
for those who are sexually active. However, young people's needs are
not limited to prevention alone. Those who are HIV positive, some of
whom do not know they are infected, need care, treatment and support,
includign sexual and reproductive health services.

Taking the lead to protect young people

As part of the UNAIDS division of labour, UNFPA takes the lead in the
provision of information and education, condom programming, prevention
for out-of school young people and prevention efforts targeting
vulnerable groups.' Guided by its mandate to protect reproductive
health, UNFPA also plays a lead role in ensuring that young people are
dually protected against sexually transmitted infections, including
HIV, and unwanted pregnancies.

Forging genuine partnerships with young people themselves is an
overarching strategy. Other areas of special focus for UNFPA include
evidence-based interventions, very young adolescents and out-of-school
youth.

Youth-adult partnerships on HIV prevention

Youth-adult partnerships and programmes are an innovative way of
involving young people in HIV prevention efforts. They are based on
the understanding that young people have a right to partcipate in
programmes that affect them and on the experience that programmes are
more sustainable and more effective when youth are treated as
partners. Because youth are often less powerful, articulate and
knowledgeable than their adult partners, youth-adult partnerships
focus on technical assistance and training that empower young people
to make their voices heard.

Provided with necessary means and skills training, young people can be
important advocates for their specific sexual and reproductive health
needs. Given the possibility to speak up, they can introduce more
youth sensitive perspectives to policy-making processes. For example,
in 2005, a UNFPA-supported pilot project recruited young people in
Botswana to contribute to the Ntional AIDS Coordinating Agency through
a midterm review of the National Strategic Framework for HIV/AIDS. In
Thailand, young people were recruited to contribute to the the
national development frameworks that guide all UN programming in those
countries.

UNFPA's commitment to youth participation is reflected in a wide range
of initiatives from peer education to advocacy work. These initiatives
build on and utilize the skills, knowledge and enthusiasm of young
people. Increasingly, young people are participating in important
events that help shape the global response to HIV/AIDS, such as the UN
General Assembly Special Session on HIV/AIDS and the International
AIDS Conference.

A number of major, regional programmes focusing on HIV prevention
among young people were initiated with support from UNFPA and others
since 2000, and the final reports from these programmes offer a number
of lessons and good practices to be incorporated into future efforts.
These include the African Youth Alliance, AfriYAN, the Reproductive
Health Initiative for Youth in Asia, and a major OPEC-Fund supported
initiative to prevent HIV among vulnerable populations in Central
America and the Caribbean.

Why focus on young people?

Young people are at the centre of the global AIDS epidemic. Of the 1.7
billion young people worldwide, 5.4 million are estimated to be living
with HIV (2007). About 40 per cent of new HIV infections are among
young people. This age group also has the highest rates (over 500,000
infections daily) of sexually transmitted infections excluding HIV.
Young people are particularly vulnerable to HIV infection for social,
political, cultural, biological, and economic reasons.

Whatever their circumstances, in order to protect themselves against
HIV, young people need:

Information
Skills
Youth-friendly health services
A safe and supportive environment
Are we keeping our promises?

The importance of preventing HIV infections among young people has
been a consistent message in all HIV/AIDS related commitments to date,
particularly ICPD+5, the Millennium Development Goals, the Declaration
of Commitment made at the 2001 United Nations General Assembly Special
Session on HIV/AIDS (UNGASS), and the General Assembly Political
Declaration on HIV/AIDS in 2006 (see box below). HIV prevention among
young people is also one of the 'Essential Programmatic Actions for
HIV Prevention' in the UNAIDS Policy Position Paper Intensifying HIV
prevention.

The Declaration of Commitment set specific targets for HIV prevention
among youth. It calls on all Governments to ensure:

HIV infection rates in persons 15 to 24 years of age should be reduced
by 25 percent in the most-affected countries by 2005, and by 25
percent globally by 2010.

By 2005, at least 90 percent, and by 2010 at least 95 percent of young
men and women aged 15 to 24 years have access to information,
education and services necessary to develop the life skills required
to reduce their vulnerability to HIV infection.
Six of 11 heavily affected African countries have reported a decline
of 25 per cent or more in HIV prevalence among young people in capital
cities, according to the 2006 Report on the Global AIDS Epidemic.
However, surveys indicate that fewer than 50 per cent of young people
have achieved comprehensive knowledge levels about HIV prevention in
2005.

"We, Heads of State and Government and representatives of States and
Governments…Commit ourselves to addressing the rising rates of HIV
infection among young people to ensure an HIV-free future generation
through the implementation of comprehensive, evidence-based prevention
strategies, responsible sexual behaviour, including the use of
condoms, evidence- and skills-based, youth specific HIV education,
mass media interventions, and the provision of youth friendly health
services." -- Paragraph 26 of the Political Declaration on HIV/AIDS

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Dear all
Plz help me finding the following books:
1. Orthopaeidcs knowledge update 9 (
Publisher: American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons.ISBN-13: 9780892034178; ISBN: 0892034173)
2. Orthopaedics knowledge update: Trauma 4. ISBN 9780892036929
Thanks
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rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing?hl=en

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Today's topics:

* Mark Renshaw - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/79728fc3469f3ff8?hl=en
* Versus is killing cycling - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/50dfea6a6b1d3516?hl=en
* Rudy PÈvenage Quotes - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/642b1409e0625936?hl=en
* Lance's Two Fathers - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae76a8cfff1e8186?hl=en
* Stage 7 question: Kloden - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/05921d8bdac11d64?hl=en
* Chavanel - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2a9133fff2882bf7?hl=en
* It had to happen - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/da1386ea4eccee53?hl=en
* Tour de France, stage 7 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e18dfb2a2ce8a358?hl=en
* The final selection, and their domestiques- - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f3ab19bb98479699?hl=en

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Mark Renshaw
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/79728fc3469f3ff8?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 1:07 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<fef14dd5-e180-43eb-ab5a-f188b1353ec2@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Uncle Dave <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote:

> On Jul 10, 2:21 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:f25570f7-6348-45d4-ad1d-a51fab26760d@c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > :: All great, no doubt. Renshaw is impressive, not only does he have the
> > :: speed, he's sharp on his positioning, aggressive, and not easily
> > :: intimidated. Combined with similar traits from Cavendish it makes a
> > :: hard combo to beat.
> > ::
> > :: Garmin looks to have some very fast guys (Dean, etc.), but they come
> > :  off as boobs in the last 500 m. If they can get it right, I'd really
> > :: like to see Ferrar and Cavendish go at it in the last 200 m on an
> > :: equal footing.
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > Garmin's fucked it up so many times. Today, they had 4 vs. 2 in the last
> > kilo with turns and they still botched it.
> >
> > They need to hire a world class coach, someone who was a master of sprint
> > tactics at the top level. Cavendish and his gang have Zabel, who does Garmin
> > have?
> >
> > Is Vaughters the climber trying to call their leadout tactics? Doesn't
> > really matter. Whomever is doing it is doing a shit job of teaching them
> > (assuming they have any teaching/coaching going on at all).
>
> Yeah, with about 300 metres or so to go, three of them were off the
> front by a few bike lengths and although that's not a great deal it
> should have been used to their advantage. Renshaw was hindered
> slightly by the third rider dropping back, but not enough ;-) I just
> love to watch a good lead out man at work, it sure is purty :-)

It is good for you that the gila monster is not posting.

--
Old Fritz


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 2:07 pm
From: Betty


Fred Gringioni wrote:
>> Is Vaughters the climber trying to call their leadout tactics?
>> Doesn't really matter. Whomever is doing it is doing a shit job of
>> teaching them

> They weren't able to get it together. The first two guys were leading out
> Renshaw, Hunter was off to the side trying to coax Farrar onto his wheel and
> Farrar was sitting back on Cav's wheel.
>
> They should've all been lined up in a row, either that or have Farrar in
> third position with the last guy sweeping Renshaw off in the turn. Take that
> inside line and touch the brakes just a bit, open the gap up to Farrar, kill
> the momentum of Renshaw/Cav.
>
> With two left handers right before the sprint, having the numbers allows you
> to do all sorts of creative stuff. Garmin just botched it.

Perhaps h**2 needs to give Farrar some coaching.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 2:44 pm
From: Uncle Dave


On Jul 10, 9:07 pm, Frederick the Great <los...@the.movies> wrote:
> In article
> <fef14dd5-e180-43eb-ab5a-f188b1353...@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
>  Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 2:21 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:f25570f7-6348-45d4-ad1d-a51fab26760d@c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > :: All great, no doubt. Renshaw is impressive, not only does he have the
> > > :: speed, he's sharp on his positioning, aggressive, and not easily
> > > :: intimidated. Combined with similar traits from Cavendish it makes a
> > > :: hard combo to beat.
> > > ::
> > > :: Garmin looks to have some very fast guys (Dean, etc.), but they come
> > > :  off as boobs in the last 500 m. If they can get it right, I'd really
> > > :: like to see Ferrar and Cavendish go at it in the last 200 m on an
> > > :: equal footing.
>
> > > Dumbass -
>
> > > Garmin's fucked it up so many times. Today, they had 4 vs. 2 in the last
> > > kilo with turns and they still botched it.
>
> > > They need to hire a world class coach, someone who was a master of sprint
> > > tactics at the top level. Cavendish and his gang have Zabel, who does Garmin
> > > have?
>
> > > Is Vaughters the climber trying to call their leadout tactics? Doesn't
> > > really matter. Whomever is doing it is doing a shit job of teaching them
> > > (assuming they have any teaching/coaching going on at all).
>
> > Yeah, with about 300 metres or so to go, three of them were off the
> > front by a few bike lengths and although that's not a great deal it
> > should have been used to their advantage.  Renshaw was hindered
> > slightly by the third rider dropping back, but not enough ;-)  I just
> > love to watch a good lead out man at work, it sure is purty :-)
>
> It is good for you that the gila monster is not posting.

No, it's good for him.

UD


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 4:18 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<fed5ac4e-4a83-49a2-b460-d9f37822e2fb@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Uncle Dave <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote:

> On Jul 10, 9:07 pm, Frederick the Great <los...@the.movies> wrote:
> > In article
> > <fef14dd5-e180-43eb-ab5a-f188b1353...@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
> >  Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 10, 2:21 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > >news:f25570f7-6348-45d4-ad1d-a51fab26760d@c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > :: All great, no doubt. Renshaw is impressive, not only does he have the
> > > > :: speed, he's sharp on his positioning, aggressive, and not easily
> > > > :: intimidated. Combined with similar traits from Cavendish it makes a
> > > > :: hard combo to beat.
> > > > ::
> > > > :: Garmin looks to have some very fast guys (Dean, etc.), but they come
> > > > :  off as boobs in the last 500 m. If they can get it right, I'd really
> > > > :: like to see Ferrar and Cavendish go at it in the last 200 m on an
> > > > :: equal footing.
> >
> > > > Dumbass -
> >
> > > > Garmin's fucked it up so many times. Today, they had 4 vs. 2 in the last
> > > > kilo with turns and they still botched it.
> >
> > > > They need to hire a world class coach, someone who was a master of sprint
> > > > tactics at the top level. Cavendish and his gang have Zabel, who does Garmin
> > > > have?
> >
> > > > Is Vaughters the climber trying to call their leadout tactics? Doesn't
> > > > really matter. Whomever is doing it is doing a shit job of teaching them
> > > > (assuming they have any teaching/coaching going on at all).
> >
> > > Yeah, with about 300 metres or so to go, three of them were off the
> > > front by a few bike lengths and although that's not a great deal it
> > > should have been used to their advantage.  Renshaw was hindered
> > > slightly by the third rider dropping back, but not enough ;-)  I just
> > > love to watch a good lead out man at work, it sure is purty :-)
> >
> > It is good for you that the gila monster is not posting.
>
> No, it's good for him.

Awright.

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TOPIC: Versus is killing cycling
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/50dfea6a6b1d3516?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 1:13 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<291f7c9e-de65-453a-880d-9f4253efe77f@d16g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 1. The idiot announcers - this morning "It's going to be a hot day in
> France with temps approaching 100 celcius"
>
> (global warming has gotten extreme in Europe? )
>
> 2. The "all sponsors - all Lance" commercials - Isn't there anyone
> else qualified to sell beer, electric cars and cell phones? Is Road
> ID the only bonafide product outside of these? If you don't cultivate
> some 'stars' for next year and beyond you won't have a sponsor.
>
> 3. The painfully long sequeways featuring the same graphics and music
> for 4+ years now.... god damn it you cunts get a clue - do like
> eurosport does and slam right in and out of the racing without taking
> another 30 seconds on each side.
>
> 4. The 'good old boys' show... after their inability to spot Lance's
> flat tire the other day (RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR FUCKING EYES) I have
> no faith that these ball lickers even give a shit about cycling.
> They're just happy to get a free t-shirt and stay at the hotel
> Formule1. There has got to be a better option than these fucknuts.
> Frankie is still asking questions like the local high school football
> tv coverage despite being there the last 15 years +. C'mon versus if
> you're going to have someone ask stupid air head noob questions make
> sure she's gots some tits or a nice ass and not a god damn unibrow.
>
> 5. Lame graphics - they showed a sprint graphic the other day and it
> had all the sophistication of a DeVry freshman class project from
> 1998. WTF? Did you spend your budget on? Use an xtranormal movie
> for fucks sake, they're free and better quality than that communism
> era cartoon you're currently using.
>
> I hate you mother fuckers, the only reason I watch is to see if the
> set somehow catches fire and you all suffer massive and painful
> burns.

It would be more amusing if you copied Versus et al.

--
Old Fritz

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Rudy PÈvenage Quotes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/642b1409e0625936?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 1:14 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article <4c376a8d$1@news.x-privat.org>,
"K. Fred Gauss" <Fred@fredlier.than.thou> wrote:

> On 07/09/2010 07:53 AM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> > On 7/9/2010 9:44 AM, raamman wrote:
> >> On Jul 9, 8:56 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>> raamman wrote:
> >>>> On Jul 8, 9:55 pm, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> FF is right, east germans doped at every possible turn from
> >>>>> childhood.
> >>>
> >>>>> Blame Honecker if you want to be correct
> >>>
> >>>> prize money and salary paid in foriegn currency to be heavily taxed by
> >>>> the state, or simply garnished and the athelete rewarded with a parade
> >>>> yep- except he was a little young to be a pro while the DDR existed.
> >>>> there is no reason they would've wasted dope on someone without seeing
> >>>> real talent first and an imminent reward
> >>>
> >>> Dumbass,
> >>>
> >>> Fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Ullrich"
> >>>
> >>> "Ullrich won his first bicycle race at 11. He was educated in the
> >>> sports training system of the German Democratic Republic attending
> >>> the KJS sports school in Berlin in 1986. In 1988, he was champion
> >>> of the German Democratic Republic. The school closed two years
> >>> after the fall of the Berlin wall in 1989."
> >>>
> >>> I'm just curious, how many decades have you been watching the Tour?
> >>> I just want to be sure you are accorded the same respect as veteran
> >>> Tour watchers like Keith.
> >>>
> >>> Fred Flintstein
> >>
> >> that's as a national AMATUER- why the fuck would the state bother
> >> doping a kid for a local bike race ? jeeze, you guys sure are dumb-
> >> must be alllll that medical weed. and your educational system. why
> >> would you get up from your twinkies and procycling manager game to
> >> post here ?
> >
> > That was classic, thanks. It isn't as good as having the rbr
> > universal salutation tattooed on your forehead but it's still
> > pretty good.
>
> This is why RBR continues to provide a valuable service. Nowhere else
> has preserved the history of professional athletics in communist
> countries during the cold war. It's an education, it is.

God bless us, every one.

--
Old Fritz


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 2:09 pm
From: Betty


K. Fred Gauss wrote:
>> This is why RBR continues to provide a valuable service. Nowhere else
>> has preserved the history of professional athletics in communist
>> countries during the cold war. It's an education, it is.

Frederick the Great wrote:
> God bless us, every one.

I thought we were on the other side.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 2:50 pm
From: Uncle Dave


On Jul 9, 2:55 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> FF is right,  east germans doped at every possible turn from
> childhood.
>
> Blame Honecker if you want to be correct

Oh, I wondered when it would be blamed on the commies. You are Joseph
McCarthy's bastard love child and I claim my free lynching.

UD


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 4:20 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article <n54ng7-tm8.ln1@donaldm.homeip.net>,
Betty <none@mailinator.com> wrote:

> K. Fred Gauss wrote:
> >> This is why RBR continues to provide a valuable service. Nowhere else
> >> has preserved the history of professional athletics in communist
> >> countries during the cold war. It's an education, it is.
>
> Frederick the Great wrote:
> > God bless us, every one.
>
> I thought we were on the other side.

I am a shameless front runner.

--
Old Fritz


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 5:44 pm
From: "Fred Gringioni"

"Anton Berlin" <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:540b1163-5112-47cd-ace5-58fa03f30f3f@s24g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
: Raaman
:
: You haven't a clue how the system worked in the east. They took from
: a pool 10x the size of our for every sport. The only way to succeed
: was to win one for the state. They instituionalized children as
: athletes from the pre-school on. Every east german child had more
: hormones in them back then than our dairy cows do today.

Dumbass -

FRAAMman is completely uninformed.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


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TOPIC: Lance's Two Fathers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae76a8cfff1e8186?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 1:33 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<7bee66b6-ea23-4cff-ba0f-0e18c0e9c0c8@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
Ben Trovato <benn.trovato@hotmail.com> wrote:

> It's a flat, dreary countryside, broken only by church steeples and
> large white crosses which rise into a sky frequently rent by a
> tornado. A grim corner of Texas

Amarillo? Lubbock? Odessa?

No! Plano, Texas. Near Dallas, Austin, and
the Texas hill country of white limestone,
granite monoliths, and (yes) rolling, forested hills.

Heaven save me if I were to blackguard la belle France.

--
Old Fritz


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 3:09 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Texas is a shit hole. I've lived there enough to know.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 6:34 pm
From: --D-y


On Jul 10, 3:33 pm, Frederick the Great <los...@the.movies> wrote:
> In article
> <7bee66b6-ea23-4cff-ba0f-0e18c0e9c...@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
>  Ben Trovato <benn.trov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It's a flat, dreary countryside, broken only by church steeples and
> > large white crosses which rise into a sky frequently rent by a
> > tornado.  A grim corner of Texas
>
> Amarillo? Lubbock? Odessa?
>
> No! Plano, Texas. Near Dallas, Austin, and
> the Texas hill country of white limestone,
> granite monoliths, and (yes) rolling, forested hills.
>
> Heaven save me if I were to blackguard la belle France.

"Near"? To Austin? Not any way shape or form, except maybe for some
exceptions relating to the wearing of cowboy hats.
Austin is on the edge of the Hill Country, btw.
--D-y


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 8:26 pm
From: CowPunk


On Jul 10, 4:09 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Texas is a shit hole.  I've lived there enough to know.

It was only a shit-hole while you were living there. You smell worse
than cow shit and now that you are gone it's a much nicer place to
live.

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TOPIC: Stage 7 question: Kloden
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/05921d8bdac11d64?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 1:46 pm
From: Frederick the Great


Andreas Klöden dropped three minutes today.
Any guesses? Does he not have it?
Was it one of those bad days?
Was he saving energy? (for tomorrow, say)

--
Old Fritz


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 4:15 pm
From: Keith


On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:46:37 -0700, Frederick the Great
<lostit@the.movies> wrote:

>Andreas Klšden dropped three minutes today.
>Any guesses? Does he not have it?
>Was it one of those bad days?
>Was he saving energy? (for tomorrow, say)

Yes, very strange...his worst ever performance on the TDF
probably...guess his "bag" got lost in the mail or LA took a double
dose.

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TOPIC: Chavanel
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2a9133fff2882bf7?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 1:52 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jul 10, 1:02 pm, Frederick the Great <los...@the.movies> wrote:
> Fails drug test.
>
> Just kidding.
> So Chavanel is chasing for the lead
> descending the Col de la Croix, and
> Paul Sherwen remarks that Chavanel
> is not a premier descender. There is
> Chavanel's knee hanging way out in
> the wind. Yeah, Paul nails it.

While Phil and Paul occasionally stumble into making a good comment,
more than not, they say the most idiotic stuff and fail to observe
what's going on in the race. That said, most of the alternative
coverage I've heard over the years has been even worse.

Brad Anders


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 2:42 pm
From: Uncle Dave


On Jul 10, 9:52 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 1:02 pm, Frederick the Great <los...@the.movies> wrote:
>
> > Fails drug test.
>
> > Just kidding.
> > So Chavanel is chasing for the lead
> > descending the Col de la Croix, and
> > Paul Sherwen remarks that Chavanel
> > is not a premier descender. There is
> > Chavanel's knee hanging way out in
> > the wind. Yeah, Paul nails it.
>
> While Phil and Paul occasionally stumble into making a good comment,
> more than not, they say the most idiotic stuff and fail to observe
> what's going on in the race. That said, most of the alternative
> coverage I've heard over the years has been even worse.

When we first got the Tour nightly on TV in the UK (1980s IIRC), all
we had was a highlights show with Messrs Liggett and Sherwen. It was
OK, although because it was edited, you used to hear the phrase "the
man they call 'The Badger'" an infuriating number of times for a 60
minute show. Now that ITV has several channels, they are showing
every stage live and I switch over to their coverage occasionally.
It's like going back in time, although I have noticed that Sherwen is
actually doing some commentary now rather than just punditry. He
seems quite good at it. I've never liked Liggett since he turned up
to commentate on a track meet at Herne Hill in the 1970s driving a
Porsche. It just didn't seem appropriate somehow. He's always tried
a bit too hard to be "professional" for my liking. David Duffield,
sadly now retired from Eurosport, was at least enthusiastic and came
out with some wonderful nonsense. If you get the chance, watch German
coverage. The last time I did, Rudi Altig was still doing the pundit
role and he's a pleasure to listen to.

UD


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 4:40 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<301edcc6-3798-43a8-8cc4-1459141ca4b4@t13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Brad Anders <pbanders@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 10, 1:02 pm, Frederick the Great <los...@the.movies> wrote:
> > Fails drug test.
> >
> > Just kidding.
> > So Chavanel is chasing for the lead
> > descending the Col de la Croix, and
> > Paul Sherwen remarks that Chavanel
> > is not a premier descender. There is
> > Chavanel's knee hanging way out in
> > the wind. Yeah, Paul nails it.
>
> While Phil and Paul occasionally stumble into making a good comment,
> more than not, they say the most idiotic stuff and fail to observe
> what's going on in the race. That said, most of the alternative
> coverage I've heard over the years has been even worse.

Walter Ulbricht is going about incognito testing his own
popularity by asking people if they like Ulbricht. One
man he asks says, "Come with me." He takes Ulbricht on a
train and a bus until they are deep in the Saxon hills
near the Czechoslovak border. They walk in the country
until they are many kilometers from the nearest house and
then they finally stop. This man looks all around and
murmurs to Ulbricht, "I personally don't mind him at all."


Same with me. I like Phil and Paul.

--
Old Fritz


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 5:27 pm
From: Ben Trovato


On Jul 10, 1:52 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 1:02 pm, Frederick the Great <los...@the.movies> wrote:
>
> > Fails drug test.
>
> > Just kidding.
> > So Chavanel is chasing for the lead
> > descending the Col de la Croix, and
> > Paul Sherwen remarks that Chavanel
> > is not a premier descender. There is
> > Chavanel's knee hanging way out in
> > the wind. Yeah, Paul nails it.
>
> While Phil and Paul occasionally stumble into making a good comment,
> more than not, they say the most idiotic stuff and fail to observe
> what's going on in the race. That said, most of the alternative
> coverage I've heard over the years has been even worse.
>
> Brad Anders

As I have not the television, I depend on the clips on youtube. I
like the ones from Sporza; occasionally they say something like
"Cavendish perfekt aan de wiel van Renshaw. Voila" and the rest is
Flemish to me, punctuated with the occasional oeyoeyoeyoeyoe...

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TOPIC: It had to happen
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/da1386ea4eccee53?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 3:16 pm
From: Anton Berlin


with more and more riders
> dribbling off the back.

According to Landis the last time "riders were dribbling off the back"
it was with Lance and some strippers in an Austin office.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 5:22 pm
From: "Fred Gringioni"

"Anton Berlin" <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d7827e4c-ed9c-43d4-b879-6da81bb23606@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
: with more and more riders
: > dribbling off the back.
:
: According to Landis the last time "riders were dribbling off the back"
: it was with Lance and some strippers in an Austin office.

Dumbass -

Nice friend Floyd is.

He gets provided with strippers and drugs and how does he pay that back?

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


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TOPIC: Tour de France, stage 7 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e18dfb2a2ce8a358?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 3:19 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Bob - I love the work you do here but does this look right?

An entire group of guys that first names only begin with A or B.

Biggest losers by time :
-21:16 Adriano Malori
-21:16 Alan Perez Lezaun
-21:16 Andreas Klier
-21:16 Andriy Grivko
-21:16 Anthony Geslin
-21:16 Anthony Roux
-21:16 Bernhard Eisel
-21:16 Bert Grabsch
-21:16 Brent Bookwalter
-21:16 Brett Lancaster
-21:16 Brian Vandborg

==============================================================================
TOPIC: The final selection, and their domestiques-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f3ab19bb98479699?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 4:16 pm
From: Keith


On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:36:17 -0700, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:

>Making the final cut (GC contenders and their domestiques)-
>
>4 RS guys (Levi, Jani, Horner, Armstrong)
>3 Rabobank (Menchov, Gesink & Cepa, who was in the lead break)
>3 Astana (Contador, Vino & Garcia).
>2 Saxo (Schleck & Sorensen)
>2 BMC (Evans & Morabito
>2 Liquigas (Basso & Kreuziger)
>
>Interesting because watching the stage, RS was pretty invisible, yet they
>had the most horsepower.

They did pull at one point

>Vino was working hard, but did Astana get rid of
>anyone that really mattered?
>
>Great day for Sylvain Chavanel. Looks like his move to Quick Step was the
>right thing to do.

More like breaking his neck and then staying off the bike for 1.5
months, he was already with QS last year.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 4:22 pm
From: DA74


On Jul 10, 11:36 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> Making the final cut (GC contenders and their domestiques)-
>
> 4 RS guys (Levi, Jani, Horner, Armstrong)
> 3 Rabobank (Menchov, Gesink & Cepa, who was in the lead break)
> 3 Astana (Contador, Vino & Garcia).
> 2 Saxo (Schleck & Sorensen)
> 2 BMC (Evans & Morabito
> 2 Liquigas (Basso & Kreuziger)
>
> Interesting because watching the stage, RS was pretty invisible, yet they
> had the most horsepower. Vino was working hard, but did Astana get rid of
> anyone that really mattered?
>
> Great day for Sylvain Chavanel. Looks like his move to Quick Step was the
> right thing to do.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

Astana showed that they came to fight, Saxo showed that they have been
weakened by the loss of Frank and if you were paying attention you saw
major weakness in the Shack.

Everyone on RS but Lance was invisible because they all got shelled
and were hanging on for dear life when Astana turned the screws.
Kloden was OTB pretty early and LL, LB and CH were at the back of the
move which made them utterly useless to Lance when it mattered. Who
cares if they all managed to hang on - There was not a single thing
they could have done to help Lance when it got hard. I bet Lance was
pissed after the race - and deservedly so.
-DA74


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* Versus is killing cycling - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* First Mountain Stage starting - following on iPhone Versus App ! - 1
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* Cervélo TestTeam newsletter report- 3.39 kph for 1st ! - 1 messages, 1
author
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* Lance's Two Fathers - 1 messages, 1 author
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* It had to happen - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Tour de France, stage 7 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
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* How Many Sly Riders Pulled Out Thier Earpiece? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8c020e4afcd88250?hl=en
* Some scenic roads not in the Tour - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* The final selection, and their domestiques- - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Chavanel - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Mark Renshaw
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/79728fc3469f3ff8?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 12:40 am
From: Uncle Dave


On Jul 10, 2:21 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f25570f7-6348-45d4-ad1d-a51fab26760d@c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>
> :: All great, no doubt. Renshaw is impressive, not only does he have the
> :: speed, he's sharp on his positioning, aggressive, and not easily
> :: intimidated. Combined with similar traits from Cavendish it makes a
> :: hard combo to beat.
> ::
> :: Garmin looks to have some very fast guys (Dean, etc.), but they come
> :  off as boobs in the last 500 m. If they can get it right, I'd really
> :: like to see Ferrar and Cavendish go at it in the last 200 m on an
> :: equal footing.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Garmin's fucked it up so many times. Today, they had 4 vs. 2 in the last
> kilo with turns and they still botched it.
>
> They need to hire a world class coach, someone who was a master of sprint
> tactics at the top level. Cavendish and his gang have Zabel, who does Garmin
> have?
>
> Is Vaughters the climber trying to call their leadout tactics? Doesn't
> really matter. Whomever is doing it is doing a shit job of teaching them
> (assuming they have any teaching/coaching going on at all).

Yeah, with about 300 metres or so to go, three of them were off the
front by a few bike lengths and although that's not a great deal it
should have been used to their advantage. Renshaw was hindered
slightly by the third rider dropping back, but not enough ;-) I just
love to watch a good lead out man at work, it sure is purty :-)

UD


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 11:23 am
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jul 9, 9:21 pm, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:


> Dumbass -
>
> Garmin's fucked it up so many times. Today, they had 4 vs. 2 in the last
> kilo with turns and they still botched it.
>
> They need to hire a world class coach, someone who was a master of sprint
> tactics at the top level. Cavendish and his gang have Zabel, who does Garmin
> have?
>
> Is Vaughters the climber trying to call their leadout tactics? Doesn't
> really matter. Whomever is doing it is doing a shit job of teaching them
> (assuming they have any teaching/coaching going on at all).

dumbass,

you are guilty of some armchair quarterbacking (we all are).

renshaw has the power (and skill, but mainly power) to hold a position
and move up in the finale. plus cavendish has the speed to finish it
off, which makes everyone on his team look good.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 12:14 pm
From: "Fred Gringioni"

"Amit Ghosh" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e4a52bee-19dc-4a02-86b0-ba8367db0c57@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 9, 9:21 pm, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:


> Dumbass -
>
> Garmin's fucked it up so many times. Today, they had 4 vs. 2 in the last
> kilo with turns and they still botched it.
>
> They need to hire a world class coach, someone who was a master of sprint
> tactics at the top level. Cavendish and his gang have Zabel, who does
> Garmin
> have?
>
> Is Vaughters the climber trying to call their leadout tactics? Doesn't
> really matter. Whomever is doing it is doing a shit job of teaching them
> (assuming they have any teaching/coaching going on at all).

:: dumbass,
::
:: you are guilty of some armchair quarterbacking (we all are).
::
:: renshaw has the power (and skill, but mainly power) to hold a position
:: and move up in the finale. plus cavendish has the speed to finish it
:: off, which makes everyone on his team look good.

Dumbass -

They weren't able to get it together. The first two guys were leading out
Renshaw, Hunter was off to the side trying to coax Farrar onto his wheel and
Farrar was sitting back on Cav's wheel.

They should've all been lined up in a row, either that or have Farrar in
third position with the last guy sweeping Renshaw off in the turn. Take that
inside line and touch the brakes just a bit, open the gap up to Farrar, kill
the momentum of Renshaw/Cav.

With two left handers right before the sprint, having the numbers allows you
to do all sorts of creative stuff. Garmin just botched it.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 1:06 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article <i18i2u$ni9$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemachine@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Brad Anders" <pbanders@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:f25570f7-6348-45d4-ad1d-a51fab26760d@c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>
> :: All great, no doubt. Renshaw is impressive, not only does he have the
> :: speed, he's sharp on his positioning, aggressive, and not easily
> :: intimidated. Combined with similar traits from Cavendish it makes a
> :: hard combo to beat.
> ::
> :: Garmin looks to have some very fast guys (Dean, etc.), but they come
> : off as boobs in the last 500 m. If they can get it right, I'd really
> :: like to see Ferrar and Cavendish go at it in the last 200 m on an
> :: equal footing.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Garmin's fucked it up so many times. Today, they had 4 vs. 2 in the last
> kilo with turns and they still botched it.
>
> They need to hire a world class coach, someone who was a master of sprint
> tactics at the top level. Cavendish and his gang have Zabel, who does Garmin
> have?
>
> Is Vaughters the climber trying to call their leadout tactics? Doesn't
> really matter. Whomever is doing it is doing a shit job of teaching them
> (assuming they have any teaching/coaching going on at all).

They are clean. Is that not good enough for you?

--
Old Fritz


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 1:07 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<fef14dd5-e180-43eb-ab5a-f188b1353ec2@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Uncle Dave <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote:

> On Jul 10, 2:21 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:f25570f7-6348-45d4-ad1d-a51fab26760d@c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > :: All great, no doubt. Renshaw is impressive, not only does he have the
> > :: speed, he's sharp on his positioning, aggressive, and not easily
> > :: intimidated. Combined with similar traits from Cavendish it makes a
> > :: hard combo to beat.
> > ::
> > :: Garmin looks to have some very fast guys (Dean, etc.), but they come
> > :  off as boobs in the last 500 m. If they can get it right, I'd really
> > :: like to see Ferrar and Cavendish go at it in the last 200 m on an
> > :: equal footing.
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > Garmin's fucked it up so many times. Today, they had 4 vs. 2 in the last
> > kilo with turns and they still botched it.
> >
> > They need to hire a world class coach, someone who was a master of sprint
> > tactics at the top level. Cavendish and his gang have Zabel, who does Garmin
> > have?
> >
> > Is Vaughters the climber trying to call their leadout tactics? Doesn't
> > really matter. Whomever is doing it is doing a shit job of teaching them
> > (assuming they have any teaching/coaching going on at all).
>
> Yeah, with about 300 metres or so to go, three of them were off the
> front by a few bike lengths and although that's not a great deal it
> should have been used to their advantage. Renshaw was hindered
> slightly by the third rider dropping back, but not enough ;-) I just
> love to watch a good lead out man at work, it sure is purty :-)

It is good for you that the gila monster is not posting.

--
Old Fritz

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TOPIC: Versus is killing cycling
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/50dfea6a6b1d3516?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 12:50 am
From: Davey Crockett


"K. Fred Gauss" a écrit profondement:

| Revtom wrote:
>
| > Get ready for everything to get worse. Comcast owns Versus; Comcast is
| > trying to buy NBC/Universal. Once Net Neutrality is killed off, all TV
| > is going to get a whole lot dumber. The "market" is going to be
| > whittled down to maybe three major sources for communication and
| > "entertainment". Without net neutrality, getting access to another
| > network's programming will cost whatever they charge. Yum.
>
| That's the wrong incoherent nonsense for this NG.

It happens to be extremely pertinent.

The "Internet 2" that Davey was warning about several years ago is
looming ever larger on the horizon.

And the UseNet will probably suffer as much if not more than other
Internet components.

And where will rbr be then?

Even ixquick, a Nederlands corporation, which has Stolen a March on
traditional listing sites cum search engines by refusing to register IP
numbers, and which has become the only search utility employed by any
savvy computer user, is under attack and is in need of support.

Look at "Written Declaration 29", formulated by New World Order
asslicking bureaucrats and endorsed last week by the idiots which, with
very few exceptions, comprise the European Parliament (sic), as a measure
to assist in tracking and/or identifying paedophiles.

This of course is an outright Red Herring. The real purpose of WD29 is
to record, analyze and profile individuals' search habits so that they
can be more effectively targeted for SPAM by Capitalists or classified
as "Terrorists" by m'Bongo's minions for reading the Constitution.

So just go back to polluting the other newsgroups you lurk in and stay
out of RBR

Further reading:
http://seclists.org/interesting-people/2010/Jun/133
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbdhYNNqbEE&feature=youtu.be

David Soetoro, Indonesian Citizen, grabs "Muh Dik" when the National Hymn
strikes up - http://69.165.217.79:6080/rbr/obongo.jpg

--
After conducting its successful coup d'etat in Honduras, the
imperialistic Barack Obama administration is now bent on ousting
Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega.
http://www.infowars.com/coast-guard-dispatching-ships-and-personnel-to-costa-rica-to-threaten-nicaragua-2/


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 3:34 am
From: "A. Dumas"


Davey Crockett wrote:
> [stuff]

Why do you use a Chinese character set? "charset=gb2312"


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 6:33 am
From: Davey Crockett


"A. Dumas" a écrit profondement:

| Davey Crockett wrote:
| > [stuff]
>
| Why do you use a Chinese character set? "charset=gb2312"

As far as I know, my system picks the most appropriate charset to use -
at least I thought it did

Let's see what happens with this posting and whether I need to make any
changes

--
"And when they behead your own people in the wars, which are to come,
then you will know what this was all about."

—Slobodan Milosevic

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TOPIC: There's Nothing More Pathetic...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dd5fe2e2449a4e37?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 2:23 am
From: Betty


Fred Gringioni wrote:
> They should just let those guys fight. They're not really capable of hurting
> each other and it's entertaining for the rest of us.

Sounds like a rbr deathmatch.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 7:16 am
From: --D-y


On Jul 9, 5:02 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 7/9/2010 5:37 PM, Brad Anders wrote:> ... than watching skinny-ass bike racers try to beat on each other.
> > I've seen 6th graders do a better job of it. Looks more like a cheap
> > porn movie than a fight.
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fight-breaks-out-after-tour-stage-6
>
> > Brad Anders
>
> Not quite ready for a Bruce Lee film--although the comedy would fit in
> well.

I don't know... assault with a weapon, a retaliatory over the top nose-
breaker blow parried, followed by a spin and attempted elbow to the
throat (which luckily didn't land due to the tangle of arms and
wheel).
Pretty vicious, and someone could have been hurt.

Wonder what "the deal" was?
--D-y


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 10:52 am
From: NoDannyNo


On Jul 10, 10:16 am, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Jul 9, 5:02 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > On 7/9/2010 5:37 PM, Brad Anders wrote:> ... than watching skinny-ass bike racers try to beat on each other.
> > > I've seen 6th graders do a better job of it. Looks more like a cheap
> > > porn movie than a fight.
>
> > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fight-breaks-out-after-tour-stage-6
>
> > > Brad Anders
>
> > Not quite ready for a Bruce Lee film--although the comedy would fit in
> > well.
>
> I don't know... assault with a weapon, a retaliatory over the top nose-
> breaker blow parried, followed by a spin and attempted elbow to the
> throat (which luckily didn't land due to the tangle of arms and
> wheel).
> Pretty vicious, and someone could have been hurt.
>
> Wonder what "the deal" was?
> --D-y

"...assault with a weapon"

That wheel? He'd have done more damage with a spool of cotton candy.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 12:15 pm
From: "Fred Gringioni"

"Betty" <none@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:fqqlg7-cp3.ln1@donaldm.homeip.net...
: Fred Gringioni wrote:
: > They should just let those guys fight. They're not really capable of
hurting
: > each other and it's entertaining for the rest of us.
:
: Sounds like a rbr deathmatch.


Bingo!

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 12:19 pm
From: "Fred Gringioni"

"--D-y" <dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote in message
news:71a921ba-94b2-4a18-9991-d5a0d4fcf9d6@c33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 9, 5:02 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 7/9/2010 5:37 PM, Brad Anders wrote:> ... than watching skinny-ass bike
> racers try to beat on each other.
> > I've seen 6th graders do a better job of it. Looks more like a cheap
> > porn movie than a fight.
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fight-breaks-out-after-tour-stage-6
>
> > Brad Anders
>
> Not quite ready for a Bruce Lee film--although the comedy would fit in
> well.

:: I don't know... assault with a weapon, a retaliatory over the top nose-
:: breaker blow parried, followed by a spin and attempted elbow to the
:: throat (which luckily didn't land due to the tangle of arms and
:: wheel).
:: Pretty vicious, and someone could have been hurt.

Dumbass -

The "blows" they threw was all rag-arm variety. You can't truly hurt someone
without proper form - when throwing blows standing up, the power has to
transmit from the ground, through your legs and torso. Even if a cyclist had
proper form, the lack of traction cleats on the cycling shoes would prevent
a transfer of any real power.

They were flailing around like girls. Add lack of arm wattage to the lack of
proper form and there's no way they can hurt each other unless they start
biting or eye gouging.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


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Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 4:09 am
From: Keith


Watching it on the iPhone Versus app, pretty interesting to see the
actual start, quiterare to see that on TV and see some guys gunning
it. Spotted dick successor on the attack of the course.

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TOPIC: Cervélo TestTeam newsletter report- 3.39 kph for 1st !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/fb066e3e97656861?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 6:30 am
From: "almost_fast@yahoo.com"


On Jul 8, 8:24 pm, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cervélo TestTeam [newslet...@cervelo.com]
>
> "Claudia Häusler strong in another top 5 finish
> The Giro Donne reached the mountains today as the stage seven course
> travelled from Como to Albese covering 111 km, including two longer
> climbs. Claudia Häusler (GER) turned in another strong performance
> finishing in 5th place with the first chasing group. However Cervélo
> TestTeam did not have all good luck today as Emma Pooley (GBR) had a
> puncture early on in the race at the 5 km point and lost a lot of
> time. The stage victory was a solo effort from Evelyn Stevens. The
> American rider finished about 40 seconds ahead of Marianne Vos (NED)
> and Judith Arndt (GER). The current overall leader is Marianne Vos
> with Cervélo TestTeam's Claudia Häusler holding fifth in the GC a 1:29
> back.
>
> "We had a good plan for this stage but unfortunately our tactic
> disintegrated after the first 5 km when Emma had a flat and lost some
> time," said Egon van Kessel, Cervélo TestTeam, Sports Director.
> "However she didn't lose her motivation and tried to come back into
> the field. At the beginning of the first climb she was 1:50 behind and
> then moved up to tenth position. But then her energy was not enough
> anymore. The lead break away consisted of about 10 riders and included
> Claudia. Out of this break away came the winner when Stevens attacked
> successfully and took a solo win. Today we lost some time, but the GC
> is still within our reach. We are motivated and will work hard to
> reach a top position in the GC."
>
> Tomorrow, the eighth stage from Chiavenna into the well-known Livigno
> is on the schedule. It will be a tough race over 93 km.
> Giro Donne Stage 7 Results: Como - Albese 11.0 km
> 1st     Evelyn Stevens (USA)    3:14:33 3.39 km/h (2.11 mph)
> 2nd     Marianne Vos (NED)      +0.42
> 3rd     Judith Arndt (GER)      s.t.
> 4th     Tatiana Guderzo (ITA)   s.t.
> 5th     Claudia Häusler (GER)  s.t.
>
> 10th    Emma Pooley (GBR)       +5.39
> 38th    Carla Ryan (AUS)        +19.07
> 40th    Patricia Schwager (SUI) +21.37
> 70th    Iris Slappendel (NED)   +38.24
> 90th    Kirsten Wild (NED)      s.t.    "
>
> nothing looked amiss before mailing out ?

That's a really fast speed for the winner.

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TOPIC: Lance's Two Fathers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae76a8cfff1e8186?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 7:48 am
From: Anton Berlin


The French love 400 Blows and Mouchette style stories.

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TOPIC: It had to happen
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/da1386ea4eccee53?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 9:39 am
From: Frederick the Great


It had to happen.

17:07 CEST
The field is now exploded, with more and more riders
dribbling off the back.

--
Old Fritz

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TOPIC: Tour de France, stage 7 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e18dfb2a2ce8a358?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 9:56 am
From: Bob Martin



Stage 7 : Jul 10, Tournus - Station des Rousses, 165.5 km

1 Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) Quick Step 4.22.52
2 Rafael Valls Ferri (Spa) Footon-Servetto 0.57
3 Juan Manuel Garate Cepa (Spa) Rabobank 1.27
4 Thomas Voeckler (Fra) Bbox Bouygues Telecom 1.40
5 Mathieu Perget (Fra) Caisse d'Epargne
6 Daniel Moreno Fernandez (Spa) Omega Pharma-Lotto
7 Pierrick Fedrigo (Fra) Bbox Bouygues Telecom 1.47
8 Ryder Hesjedal (Can) Garmin - Transitions
9 Ruben Plaza Molina (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne
10 Eros Capecchi (Ita) Footon-Servetto


Changes in GC, stage 7 compared to stage 6 :

Biggest gainers by position :
+74 Steve Morabito
+73 Mathieu Perget
+61 Damiano Cunego
+60 Eros Capecchi
+59 Iban Velasco Murillo
+54 Jurgen Van De Walle
+54 Amael Moinard
+52 Mauro Santambrogio
+52 Gorka Verdugo Marcotegui
+51 Paolo Tiralongo

Biggest losers by position :
-87 Thor Hushovd
-75 Robbie McEwen
-67 Andriy Grivko
-65 Jurgen Roelandts
-65 Kristjan Koren
-58 David Millar
-57 Fabian Cancellara
-56 Arkaitz Duran Daroca
-55 Tony Martin
-44 Jose Joaquin Rojas Gil
-42 Matthieu Ladagnous

Biggest gainers by time :
+1:01 Sylvain Chavanel
+0:04 Rafael Valls Ferri

Biggest losers by time :
-21:16 Adriano Malori
-21:16 Alan Perez Lezaun
-21:16 Andreas Klier
-21:16 Andriy Grivko
-21:16 Anthony Geslin
-21:16 Anthony Roux
-21:16 Bernhard Eisel
-21:16 Bert Grabsch
-21:16 Brent Bookwalter
-21:16 Brett Lancaster
-21:16 Brian Vandborg

Favourites by position :
+30 Joaquin Rodriguez
+20 Ivan Basso
+20 Carlos Sastre
+19 Robert Gesink
+7 Levi Leipheimer
+4 Roman Kreuziger
+4 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil
+4 Lance Armstrong
+3 Denis Menchov
+3 Bradley Wiggins
+3 Alberto Contador Velasco
+2 Andy Schleck
+1 Cadel Evans
-7 Andreas Kloden

Favourites by time :
-0:46 Roman Kreuziger
-0:46 Robert Gesink
-0:46 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil
-0:46 Levi Leipheimer
-0:46 Lance Armstrong
-0:46 Joaquin Rodriguez
-0:46 Ivan Basso
-0:46 Denis Menchov
-0:46 Carlos Sastre
-0:46 Cadel Evans
-0:46 Bradley Wiggins
-0:46 Andy Schleck
-0:46 Alberto Contador Velasco
-2:59 Andreas Kloden

Top 3 and favourites GC standings (previous stage in parens) :
1 Sylvain Chavanel 33:01:23 (was 5th at 1:01)
2 Cadel Evans 1:25 (was 3rd at 0:39)
3 Ryder Hesjedal 1:32 (was 4th at 0:46)
4 Andy Schleck 1:55 (was 6th at 1:09)
.....
6 Alberto Contador Velasco 2:26 (was 9th at 1:40)
.....
10 Denis Menchov 2:35 (was 13th at 1:49)
11 Bradley Wiggins 2:35 (was 14th at 1:49)
12 Roman Kreuziger 3:10 (was 16th at 2:24)
13 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil 3:11 (was 17th at 2:25)
14 Lance Armstrong 3:16 (was 18th at 2:30)
.....
17 Levi Leipheimer 3:39 (was 24th at 2:53)
.....
23 Robert Gesink 4:02 (was 42nd at 3:16)
.....
26 Carlos Sastre 4:05 (was 46th at 3:19)
27 Ivan Basso 4:06 (was 47th at 3:20)
28 Joaquin Rodriguez 4:19 (was 58th at 3:33)
.....
35 Andreas Kloden 6:00 (was 28th at 3:01)

Top 10 on Points table with previous in parens:
1 Thor Hushovd 118 (unchanged)
2 Alessandro Petacchi 114 (unchanged)
3 Robbie McEwen 105 (unchanged)
4 Jose Joaquin Rojas Gil 92 (unchanged)
5 Mark Cavendish 85 (unchanged)
6 Edvald Boasson Hagen 82 (unchanged)
7 Sebastien Turgot 79 (unchanged)
8 Geraint Thomas 74 (unchanged)
9 Gerald Ciolek 71 (unchanged)
10 Sylvain Chavanel 69 (was 15th with 44 points)

Top 10 on Mountains table with previous in parens:
1 Jerome Pineau 44 (was 1st with 13 points)
2 Sylvain Chavanel 36 (was 3rd with 8 points)
3 Mathieu Perget 28 (was 2nd with 12 points)
4 Thomas Voeckler 21 (was 0 points)
5 Ruben Perez Moreno 20 (was 9th with 4 points)
6 Rafael Valls Ferri 18 (was 0 points)
7 Juan Manuel Garate Cepa 16 (was 0 points)
8 Danilo Hondo 16 (was 0 points)
9 Daniel Moreno Fernandez 12 (was 0 points)
10 Christian Knees 11 (was 0 points)

Retirements to date : Stage
Juan Jose Oroz Ugalde (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 7 <<<
Stijn Vandenbergh (Bel) Team Katusha 7 <<<
Amets Txurruka (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 5
Christian Vande Velde (USA) Garmin - Transitions 3
David Le Lay (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 3
Frank Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 3
Niki Terpstra (Ned) Team Milram 3
Adam Hansen (Aus) Team HTC - Columbia 2
Mickael Delage (Fra) Omega Pharma-Lotto 2
Manuel Cardoso (Spa) Footon-Servetto 1
Mathias Frank (Swi) BMC Racing Team 1
Total retirements : 11


(This report can also be seen at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rvmartin2)

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TOPIC: How Many Sly Riders Pulled Out Thier Earpiece?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8c020e4afcd88250?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 10:12 am
From: "brian_j_roth@yahoo.com"


I would, having heard a sample of Yates droning....

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TOPIC: Some scenic roads not in the Tour
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d66899894b8fd970?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 11:27 am
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jul 9, 5:56 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Worth a look
>
> http://matadortrips.com/photo-essay-the-worlds-most-spectacular-roads...

dumbass,

does anyone know what the road is that's pictured on the cover of
accelerated C++ ?

http://i33.tinypic.com/r73dc6.jpg

i always assumed it was the stelvio, the book only states that the
photo was taken by one of the authors.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 12:21 pm
From: "Fred Gringioni"

"Amit Ghosh" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3ce46d0f-8524-4821-a08d-1383aa490748@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 9, 5:56 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Worth a look
>
> http://matadortrips.com/photo-essay-the-worlds-most-spectacular-roads...

:dumbass,
:
:does anyone know what the road is that's pictured on the cover of
:accelerated C++ ?
:
:http://i33.tinypic.com/r73dc6.jpg
:
:i always assumed it was the stelvio, the book only states that the
:photo was taken by one of the authors.


Dumbass -

It doesn't look the same as the Stelvio in the photo essay.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


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TOPIC: The final selection, and their domestiques-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f3ab19bb98479699?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 11:36 am
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


Making the final cut (GC contenders and their domestiques)-

4 RS guys (Levi, Jani, Horner, Armstrong)
3 Rabobank (Menchov, Gesink & Cepa, who was in the lead break)
3 Astana (Contador, Vino & Garcia).
2 Saxo (Schleck & Sorensen)
2 BMC (Evans & Morabito
2 Liquigas (Basso & Kreuziger)

Interesting because watching the stage, RS was pretty invisible, yet they
had the most horsepower. Vino was working hard, but did Astana get rid of
anyone that really mattered?

Great day for Sylvain Chavanel. Looks like his move to Quick Step was the
right thing to do.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


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TOPIC: Chavanel
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2a9133fff2882bf7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 10 2010 1:02 pm
From: Frederick the Great


Fails drug test.


Just kidding.
So Chavanel is chasing for the lead
descending the Col de la Croix, and
Paul Sherwen remarks that Chavanel
is not a premier descender. There is
Chavanel's knee hanging way out in
the wind. Yeah, Paul nails it.

--
Old Fritz


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