Sunday, July 11, 2010

rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 15 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Lance is pissed at Levi after Stage 8 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/763171d3b97964fa?hl=en
* Tour de France, stage 7 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e18dfb2a2ce8a358?hl=en
* Johan thanked RBR and we missed it somehow? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/81e9abb3c9b008ab?hl=en
* Wiggo confirmed as one-tour wonder ? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1b66a9fc94f90739?hl=en
* Cadel Evans - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d7e40772c2a65d86?hl=en
* Tour de France, stage 8 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/689c716b6925f6ad?hl=en
* Does anyone know why Horner ditched Lance? - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6da6c14520ad1f35?hl=en
* Mark Renshaw - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/79728fc3469f3ff8?hl=en
* Tour de France race bible - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ffb4ae42b53011ea?hl=en
* this is the "clean" Lance - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/27b5a24be3c618b2?hl=en
* Making Lance legitimate - no win but a place or show - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/be40a7fcda772b91?hl=en
* Andy takes it easy... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/307e3e373e762d9f?hl=en
* Message for Johan Bruyneel : waiting until the final climb ... - 3 messages,
3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/66615a3372740d39?hl=en
* 3 suggestions for Lance - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d7310c20a45122ee?hl=en
* New podium prediction - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c2e3c2be6b847272?hl=en

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TOPIC: Lance is pissed at Levi after Stage 8
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/763171d3b97964fa?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:34 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Nice work Magiila !

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TOPIC: Tour de France, stage 7 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e18dfb2a2ce8a358?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:39 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 11, 3:13 am, Bob Martin <bob.mar...@excite.com> wrote:
> in 321128 20100710 231904 Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Bob - I love the work you do here but does this look right?
>
> >An entire group of guys that first names only begin with A or B.
>
> >Biggest losers by time :
> >-21:16   Adriano Malori
> >-21:16   Alan Perez Lezaun
> >-21:16   Andreas Klier
> >-21:16   Andriy Grivko
> >-21:16   Anthony Geslin
> >-21:16   Anthony Roux
> >-21:16   Bernhard Eisel
> >-21:16   Bert Grabsch
> >-21:16   Brent Bookwalter
> >-21:16   Brett Lancaster
> >-21:16   Brian Vandborg
>
> Over a quarter of the peloton lost 21:16 on the lead yesterday, I just show the top of the list.
> (If it wasn't for those pesky Spaniards with two surnames I'd sort by surname  ;-)  )

OK got it - I always thought that was a complete list. Thanks

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TOPIC: Johan thanked RBR and we missed it somehow?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/81e9abb3c9b008ab?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:42 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Dec 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7vwdZ5glOQ&NR=1


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TOPIC: Wiggo confirmed as one-tour wonder ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1b66a9fc94f90739?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:58 pm
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"


On Jul 11, 2:19 pm, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Keith" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1d2k365jjh49kad3ddc4tkl58t84dbm9rm@4ax.com...
> : Looks like Wiggo benefitted from Astana's "soft-pedalling" for LA too
> : in 2009...
>
> You're an idiot.

He should stick to what he does best: giving reacharounds to Lafferty
on the LANCE/doping threads.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 11:01 pm
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jul 11, 2:15 pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Looks like Wiggo benefitted from Astana's "soft-pedalling" for LA too
> in 2009...
>
> He should have listened to Vaughters Wiggo, this year's tour is
> obvisously too hard for him and it's only starting....Sky and Wiggo
> remind me of T-Mobile and Kloden in 2006 when they were on the attack
> on Peyresourde and Portillon and he blew up on the way to Pla de Beret
> (lost 1.30 like Wiggo today)

dumbass,

someone here said that the odds for wiggins were 30:1, so i would say
wiggins rode about how i would've expected.

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TOPIC: Cadel Evans
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d7e40772c2a65d86?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:59 pm
From: "JC"


When Cadel Evans grabbed the yellow jersey, one of our commentators(Phil
Anderson) was asked "can Cadel hold on to it"?,.. he said he doubted it as
when he reaches the alps he won't have any team support, where as the other
contenders will.
Now i was under the understanding that the main reason he switched to BMC
from the Silence team was for better team support as he wasn't getting any
from Silence during the mountain stages.??

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TOPIC: Tour de France, stage 8 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/689c716b6925f6ad?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 8:18 pm
From: Randall


On Jul 11, 3:54 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 3:17 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 5:05 pm, Betty <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> > > Bob Martin wrote:
> > > > Stage 8 : Jul 11, Station des Rousses - Morzine-Avoriaz, 189 km      
>
> > > >   1 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank                                              4.54.11
> > > >   2 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi                                    
> > > >   3 Robert Gesink (Ned) Rabobank                                                      0.10
> > > >   4 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Liquigas-Doimo                                                  
> > > >   5 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana                                                
> > > >   6 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team                                                    
>
> > > Contador didn't seem to have his normal climbing acceleration today when
> > > Sanchez and Schleck attacked. Tuesday might get interesting esp since
> > > Schleck needs some (lots) time in hand when the ITT arrives.
>
> > Yep, there was definitely a chink in AC's armor today, and there's a
> > smell of blood in the water.
>
> I kept waiting for Contador to blast off - never happened. He said he
> had "breathing problems". I'm pretty sure anyone trying to hang on
> Navarro's wheel was having "breathing problems", judging by the number
> he shelled.
>
> Brad Anders

The big surprise today is that Contador was unable to keep up with
Andy Schleck. As for Lance it's not really big surprise because has
suffered from a lack of agility and luck since his comeback.

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TOPIC: Does anyone know why Horner ditched Lance?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6da6c14520ad1f35?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 8:23 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"DWC_TT" <Kenfberg@aol.com> wrote in message
news:977ca233-67a6-4674-896a-2e693611d1cd@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 11, 6:38 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Horner was doing the pacing for Lance after he got dropped but then
> disappeared up the road for some reason. He ended up down 4:05 on the
> stage and all I can figure is that Bruyneel sent him up the road in
> case someone needed him??
> DA74

http://www.versus.com/cycling/videos/interview-with-chris-horner---post-stage-8/

I have yet to see Chris not tell it like it is, regarding what's going
on in the peloton, and his own situation. And you can tell the guy knows
his job, perfectly. He talks about figuring out what Lance was capable
of and used his SRM to set the pace accordingly. No seat-of-the-pants
stuff.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 11:19 pm
From: "Fred Gringioni"

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
news:LcCdnTOnFq8hF6fRnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
: "DWC_TT" <Kenfberg@aol.com> wrote in message
: news:977ca233-67a6-4674-896a-2e693611d1cd@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
: On Jul 11, 6:38 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: > Horner was doing the pacing for Lance after he got dropped but then
: > disappeared up the road for some reason. He ended up down 4:05 on the
: > stage and all I can figure is that Bruyneel sent him up the road in
: > case someone needed him??
: > DA74
:
:
http://www.versus.com/cycling/videos/interview-with-chris-horner---post-stage-8/
:
: I have yet to see Chris not tell it like it is, regarding what's going
: on in the peloton, and his own situation.

<snip>


Dumbass -

He's the best English language bike racer interview by far.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 11:52 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemachine@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:i1ec1o$6hm$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
> news:LcCdnTOnFq8hF6fRnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> : "DWC_TT" <Kenfberg@aol.com> wrote in message
> :
> news:977ca233-67a6-4674-896a-2e693611d1cd@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> : On Jul 11, 6:38 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> : > Horner was doing the pacing for Lance after he got dropped but
> then
> : > disappeared up the road for some reason. He ended up down 4:05 on
> the
> : > stage and all I can figure is that Bruyneel sent him up the road
> in
> : > case someone needed him??
> : > DA74
> :
> :
> http://www.versus.com/cycling/videos/interview-with-chris-horner---post-stage-8/
> :
> : I have yet to see Chris not tell it like it is, regarding what's
> going
> : on in the peloton, and his own situation.
>
> <snip>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> He's the best English language bike racer interview by far.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Remember the old days, when he was criticized everywhere for failing in
his first attempt to race in Europe, coming back here to be a big fish
in a small pond? Has Chris matured or were people here immature? Oh,
right, this *is* RBR. :-)

Whatever, it's an interesting transition and I can't think of anyone
else who has gained so much credibility so late in their career.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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TOPIC: Mark Renshaw
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/79728fc3469f3ff8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 8:43 pm
From: Ronko


In article <57a79$4c39a561$53578816
$3247@cache6.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, alexandre@dumas.fr says...
>
>
>Uncle Dave wrote:
>> On Jul 11, 5:10 am, Ronko wrote:
>>> Look closely at Renshaw's lead-out yesterday, it was impressive.
Basically
>>> he set the whole thing up with perfect position and Cavendish knew
when
>>> to go. Is Cavendish the fastest? Certainly he has the quickest
acceleration,
>>> at least he did yesterday getting about 3/4s bike length on Farrar
very
>>> quickly. But after that they were in a dead heat. Was Farrar 100%?
Was
>>> Cavendish going at 100%? No way to determine. Right now Cavendish
is
>>> winning the most, and in large part to Renshaw's excellent work.
>>
>> You don't think the fact that he's bike lengths faster than everyone
>> else over the last 150 metres has anything to do with it then?
>
>He isn't. Ronko was right: after the initial acceleration off Renshaw's
>wheel, Cav and Farrar (with his broken wrist) had the same speed.
If you can, find an overhead replay of that stage. Faster means more
speed, acceleration means going from a slower to that faster speed. Cav out
accelerated Farrar, jumping the 3/4 bike length. Then it was even and
Farrar looked to be gaining slightly. Absolute speed and acceleration are
two different terms.


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TOPIC: Tour de France race bible
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ffb4ae42b53011ea?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 8:44 pm
From: Michael Press


In article <MNudnVZDgtCDsKfRnZ2dnUVZ8783t52d@telenor.com>,
Marius Flage <marius@flage.org> wrote:

> On 07/11/2010 08:19 PM, Fred Gringioni wrote:
>
> > Yes.
>
> Helpful. I guess usenet's really dead.

One of us is.

--
Michael Press

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TOPIC: this is the "clean" Lance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/27b5a24be3c618b2?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 8:52 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article <8d-dnW4hkdoE26fRnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Cicero Venatio <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Yea, he's old, but I think what we are really seeing is what a "clean"
> Lance looks like. LeMond was right, it seems. The investigators in the
> Lance Armstrong investigation think they can either crack either George
> or Tyler, so we will see who will be the next one to crack in the US
> Postal saga. In the David Millar interrogation, French Police were able
> to make him crack in only four hours under that warm lamp. All it will
> take is one more to crack, and it's all over for Lance Inc. It's too
> bad, that this had to happen, but Lance just couldn't let it lay, he had
> to do just one more tour. This tour could be his whole undoing, placing
> Greg once again at the top, as America's best cyclist ever.
>
> Just think if Tugboat could have talked, it would have changed everything.

Was it good for you?

--
Old Fritz


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 9:18 pm
From: Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names


On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:01:18 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
<ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:

[ nothing of any value snipped ]
>
>What you are seeing is the erosion of Lance's mental invulnerability.
>There's a physical component, of course, but at the top level of sport
>it's a mental game. Tiger Woods certainly hasn't been tearing it up
>since his illicit-and-oh-so-sweet pussy was taken away*, and similarly
>Lance's realization that he is mortal is taking its toll.

You broke the code!!!

Back when Tiger was banging strange stuff damn near everyday, he was
on top of the golfing world. Now that his steady source of drop-dead
gorgeous, long-legged, firm-titted ass has been cut off, you see
what's happened to him.

Ditto for Lance.

Lance doesn't need any doping -- give him a few hours alone in the
shower with Angelina Jolie, and he'll win TFD #8 !!!!!!


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 10:16 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Jul 11, 7:26 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sad to say - yes - Frank was doing it and it probably indicates that
> they (or at least Frank) had the intention. I wish it wasn't so and
> there's a part of me that would like to think that Andy is clean from
> just something he said last year to his excited mother after a win
> "It's only a bike race"

Dumbass -

Come on now.

Andy's not clean. His brother, with whom he does everything, is dirty
and who is his DS?

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 10:35 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 12, 12:16 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 7:26 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Sad to say - yes - Frank was doing it and it probably indicates that
> > they (or at least Frank) had the intention. I wish it wasn't so and
> > there's a part of me that would like to think that Andy is clean from
> > just something he said last year to his excited mother after a win
> > "It's only a bike race"
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Come on now.
>
> Andy's not clean. His brother, with whom he does everything, is dirty
> and who is his DS?
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

I know. I agree. But I like to think it isn't that way.

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TOPIC: Making Lance legitimate - no win but a place or show
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/be40a7fcda772b91?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 9:01 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Jul 11, 1:09 pm, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:lMadnVnv9pTmbKTRnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> : On 7/11/2010 11:31 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>> : > I wonder if we are seeing the authentic Lance today. Ni dope, no
>> : > blood boosting bags on the way, just a good athlete that has his good
>> : > days and bad days. I don't see that 1 year of age should make such a
>> : > difference in any rider. (assuming all else being equal)
>> : >
>> :
>> : He does look more like the pre-ballectomy TdF Armstrong. I agree that
>> : one year should not make that much of a difference--but there's still a
>> : lot of racing left.
>> :
>> : I was un-Lance like to see the first two crashes where he wasn't in his
>> : usual peloton place near the front.
>>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> In an interview last month, LANCE talked about how he was reluctant to take
>> risks on the wet descents. He said it was pathetic.
>>
>> He just doesn't have it anymore. That killer instinct. Time to quit.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> It wasn't raining today. Are you becoming a lance defender again?
> Just because B Laff is back? Even worse.

Henry says that Lance's problems are at least partially mental and you
think that makes him a lance defender?

Then allow me to defend you by saying that you are the biggest fucking
ass-wipe moron in the history of the human race.

No need to thank me, it was my pleasure.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 10:40 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 11, 11:01 pm, "K. Fred Gauss" <N...@This.Planet> wrote:
> Anton Berlin wrote:
> > On Jul 11, 1:09 pm, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:lMadnVnv9pTmbKTRnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >> : On 7/11/2010 11:31 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> >> : > I wonder if we are seeing the authentic Lance today.  Ni dope, no
> >> : > blood boosting bags on the way, just a good athlete that has his good
> >> : > days and bad days.  I don't see that 1 year of age should make such a
> >> : > difference in any rider. (assuming all else being equal)
> >> : >
> >> :
> >> : He does look more like the pre-ballectomy TdF Armstrong.  I agree that
> >> : one year should not make that much of a difference--but there's still a
> >> : lot of racing left.
> >> :
> >> : I was un-Lance like to see the first two crashes where he wasn't in his
> >> : usual peloton place near the front.
>
> >> Dumbass -
>
> >> In an interview last month, LANCE talked about how he was reluctant to take
> >> risks on the wet descents. He said it was pathetic.
>
> >> He just doesn't have it anymore. That killer instinct. Time to quit.
>
> >> thanks,
>
> >> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> > It wasn't raining today.  Are you becoming a lance defender again?
> > Just because B Laff is back?  Even worse.
>
> Henry says that Lance's problems are at least partially mental and you
> think that makes him a lance defender?
>
> Then allow me to defend you by saying that you are the biggest fucking
> ass-wipe moron in the history of the human race.
>
> No need to thank me, it was my pleasure.

Gauss: You're a delusional fag and an idiot cunt to boot. My reply
was to Kurgan. I don't normally bother with fuckwits like you.

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TOPIC: Andy takes it easy...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/307e3e373e762d9f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 9:04 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<74c1c2d7-8158-4950-b853-088002958e9e@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Jul 11, 6:42 pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > ...http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/schleck-gives-warning-of-things-to-co...
> >
> > "On the last climb I had no problem. I thought about attacking earlier
> > but I have a plan for this Tour and IÕm going to stick to it."
> >
> > Too bad he didn't strike earlier today, what's won is won, Contador
> > might have better legs in the Pyrenees...
>
> These fucks that wait until the last 2km to attack piss me off.

Awww. Duz oo av a boo-boo?

> I'd
> like to see someone win with heart and not strategy.

What do they call people who win with heart and no strategy?
Answer: Losers.

> Haven't seen it since Hampsten in the giro and Roche taking oxygen

For all your hard line, turns out you live in Fantasyland.

--
Old Fritz


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 11:06 pm
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jul 11, 10:07 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> These fucks that wait until the last 2km to attack piss me off.  I'd
> like to see someone win with heart and not strategy.
>

dumbass,

hardly anyone was willing to attack as long as contador had teammates
with him. joachim rodriguez tried and ended up losing time.

if contador is isolated though i would expect to see attacks.

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TOPIC: Message for Johan Bruyneel : waiting until the final climb ...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/66615a3372740d39?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 9:44 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"NoDannyNo" <riggodeezil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:97b26b5f-9476-481f-925c-537da6623f7e@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 11, 11:10 am, S Perryman <a...@a.net> wrote:
> Only works if all the other teams decide they will too.
> When they don't : better have a plan B.
>
> Obviously the Col de Romme in 2009 was not lesson enough.
>
> Regards,
> Steven Perryman

===
Plan B = Leipheimer
===

Which is a real problem unless Contador is a lot weaker than he was last
year. Which *could* be the case, or it could just be that he had a
marginal day today due to the heat. But if the Contador we saw last year
shows up in the Pyrenees, I don't see Levi clawing his way back each day
when he launches an attack 4k from the top. Andy Schleck remains the
most vulnerable due to his time trial issues, and I think Levi has a
better shot at marginalizing Andy, especially if Jani is up there.

And in the new world order, there's a lot of firepower on RS that can
now be used more effectively than in the past. Despite his age (where
have we heard that before?) Chris Horner remains an amazingly-capable
domestique on the climbs. Jani, we've seen him at work in the Dauphine.
Popo can probably be called upon to drive tempo in the middle of the big
climbs. All those tools had been centered around Lance, but now they're
available to Levi.

So I'm sticking with my ridiculous notion that Schleck might not even
make the podium, going with Contador, Evans, Levi. It will be the
most-boring run at 3rd place ever. How could it not? I'll be able to
watch replays on the flight home and actually fall asleep. Don't get me
wrong; when I've been around Levi he seems like a truly nice guy. He
lack of attacking, and his consistent droping off the back when others
attack, and then slowly clawing his way back... it's just not very
exciting to watch.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 10:08 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."


On Jul 11, 9:44 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
>
> So I'm sticking with my ridiculous notion that Schleck might not even
> make the podium, going with Contador, Evans, Levi. It will be the
> most-boring run at 3rd place ever. How could it not? I'll be able to
> watch replays on the flight home and actually fall asleep. Don't get me
> wrong; when I've been around Levi he seems like a truly nice guy. He
> lack of attacking, and his consistent droping off the back when others
> attack, and then slowly clawing his way back... it's just not very
> exciting to watch.

Dumbass -

I agree that it's not very exciting to watch, but there's not a whole
lot he can do about it.

Dude can't handle the tempo changes. It's his weakness as a climber.
(speculating here)-> probably genetic - not a whole lot of anaerobic
power potential.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 10:56 pm
From: Amit Ghosh


On Jul 12, 12:44 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:

> And in the new world order, there's a lot of firepower on RS that can
> now be used more effectively than in the past. Despite his age (where
> have we heard that before?) Chris Horner remains an amazingly-capable
> domestique on the climbs. Jani, we've seen him at work in the Dauphine.
> Popo can probably be called upon to drive tempo in the middle of the big
> climbs. All those tools had been centered around Lance, but now they're
> available to Levi.

dumbass,

leipheimer did drop contador in 2007. both leipheimer and kloden were
better than armstrong last year, but you didn't see it because
leipheimer had dropped out.

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TOPIC: 3 suggestions for Lance
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 9:58 pm
From: TheCoz


1. Left hand turn, left pedal UP
2. Right hand turn, right pedal UP
3. Use clinchers
clip from Velonews:
"We came into that round-about before the Col de la Ramaz. I clipped a
pedal and then my tire rolled off and the next thing I was rolling
along the ground at 60-65kph," said Armstrong. "It's already hard to
come back, hard on the body."
Coz

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TOPIC: New podium prediction
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c2e3c2be6b847272?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 11:54 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Davey Crockett" <rec@azurservers.com> wrote in message
news:87aapyxahh.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com...
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" a écrit profondement:
>
> | Contador
> | Evans
> | Levi
>>
> | The ultimate nightmare; Schleck gets pushed off the podium by Levi
> in
> | the final TT. The horror, the horror. Had to toss in Levi for the
> | absurdity.
>
> They are forcasting a median time of 64 minutes for this stage.
>
> Is it particularly difficult?
>
> That does seem a trifle slow for around 40K, no ?

I see nothing about the route that would make it difficult. It's not
technical, it's not hilly. Are there consistent (predictable) headwinds?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


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Today's topics:

* Daniel Novarro is the MVP of Stage 8 - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/053fd46aa129a202?hl=en
* Does anyone know why Horner ditched Lance? - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6da6c14520ad1f35?hl=en
* Wiggo confirmed as one-tour wonder ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1b66a9fc94f90739?hl=en
* Tour de France race bible - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ffb4ae42b53011ea?hl=en
* Making Lance legitimate - no win but a place or show - 6 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/be40a7fcda772b91?hl=en
* this is the "clean" Lance - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/27b5a24be3c618b2?hl=en
* Andy takes it easy... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/307e3e373e762d9f?hl=en
* Colorado # 1 for non fatties is now 5% above the fattest of fatties in the
original poll - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b8a9a46505dab03c?hl=en
* If Lance is going to boost again he'll do it in the next 36 hours. - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bd429d460a3403bb?hl=en
* French, Dutch, Spanish, Italian speakers on RBR - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1d577b6928b038b4?hl=en
* Lance is pissed at Levi after Stage 8 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/763171d3b97964fa?hl=en

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TOPIC: Daniel Novarro is the MVP of Stage 8
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/053fd46aa129a202?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 5:32 pm
From: DA74


Listen, don't get me wrong, Schleck made a really nice and classy
attack at the end of the stage and deserved the victory but the real
star of the stage was Daniel Novarro. He did the yeoman's share of the
work on the climb and systematically decimated the front group almost
single handedly. This is not to take anything away from Vino but
Novarro was clearly the head of the class and was one the strongest
climbers in the race today. It would have been nice to see how he
fared if someone were to work for him.
DA74


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 5:55 pm
From: dave a


On 7/11/2010 5:32 PM, DA74 wrote:
> Listen, don't get me wrong, Schleck made a really nice and classy
> attack at the end of the stage and deserved the victory but the real
> star of the stage was Daniel Novarro. He did the yeoman's share of the
> work on the climb and systematically decimated the front group almost
> single handedly. This is not to take anything away from Vino but
> Novarro was clearly the head of the class and was one the strongest
> climbers in the race today. It would have been nice to see how he
> fared if someone were to work for him.
> DA74

He was super-motivated.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Does anyone know why Horner ditched Lance?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6da6c14520ad1f35?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 5:38 pm
From: DA74


Horner was doing the pacing for Lance after he got dropped but then
disappeared up the road for some reason. He ended up down 4:05 on the
stage and all I can figure is that Bruyneel sent him up the road in
case someone needed him??
DA74


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 6:05 pm
From: DWC_TT


On Jul 11, 6:38 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Horner was doing the pacing for Lance after he got dropped but then
> disappeared up the road for some reason. He ended up down 4:05 on the
> stage and all I can figure is that Bruyneel sent him up the road in
> case someone needed him??
> DA74

http://www.versus.com/cycling/videos/interview-with-chris-horner---post-stage-8/


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 6:20 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jul 11, 6:05 pm, DWC_TT <Kenfb...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 6:38 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Horner was doing the pacing for Lance after he got dropped but then
> > disappeared up the road for some reason. He ended up down 4:05 on the
> > stage and all I can figure is that Bruyneel sent him up the road in
> > case someone needed him??
> > DA74
>
> http://www.versus.com/cycling/videos/interview-with-chris-horner---po...

Good interview, thanks for posting.

Brad Anders


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:05 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Jul 11, 7:20 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 6:05 pm, DWC_TT <Kenfb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 11, 6:38 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Horner was doing the pacing for Lance after he got dropped but then
> > > disappeared up the road for some reason. He ended up down 4:05 on the
> > > stage and all I can figure is that Bruyneel sent him up the road in
> > > case someone needed him??
> > > DA74
>
> >http://www.versus.com/cycling/videos/interview-with-chris-horner---po...
>
> Good interview, thanks for posting.

Yeah, there's oodles of information out there, but it's nice to get a
heads up on the better stuff. Horner is usually one of the better
sources.

DR

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TOPIC: Wiggo confirmed as one-tour wonder ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1b66a9fc94f90739?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 6:08 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jul 11, 4:37 pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 20:15:04 +0200, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >Looks like Wiggo benefitted from Astana's "soft-pedalling" for LA too
> >in 2009...
>
> >He should have listened to Vaughters Wiggo, this year's tour is
> >obvisously too hard for him and it's only starting....Sky and Wiggo
> >remind me of T-Mobile and Kloden in 2006 when they were on the attack
> >on Peyresourde and Portillon and he blew up on the way to Pla de Beret
> >(lost 1.30 like Wiggo today)
>
> From the horse's mouthhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-limits-damage-in-tour-de-fran...
>
> It's pretty rare to see a rider dropped on a climb do well later in
> the tour (the harder climbs are yet to come), either the form is there
> or it isn't, but I guess you need a first to everything.

So, you interpret Wiggo's comments as supporting your contention that
"this year's tour is obviously too hard for him"? Bizarre.

Brad Anders

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TOPIC: Tour de France race bible
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ffb4ae42b53011ea?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 6:21 pm
From: "almost_fast@yahoo.com"


On Jul 11, 2:05 pm, Marius Flage <mar...@flage.org> wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> I've heard lots of talk about this "race bible" that all teams, riders,
> reporters and pretty much everyone associated with the tour uses. Does
> anyone in here have a copy of that or know how to get hold of it?
>
> - Marius

Sorry, left mine in France.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 6:47 pm
From: Henry


On Jul 12, 7:45 am, "K. Fred Gauss" <N...@This.Planet> wrote:
> Fred Gringioni wrote:
> > "Marius Flage" <mar...@flage.org> wrote in message
> >news:yfadnVDQPql1mqfRnZ2dnUVZ8783t52d@telenor.com...
> > : Hi there!
> > :
> > : I've heard lots of talk about this "race bible" that all teams, riders,
> > : reporters and pretty much everyone associated with the tour uses. Does
> > : anyone in here have a copy of that or know how to get hold of it?
>
> > Yes.
>
> I keep mine in my suitcase of courage.

right next to the hurtlocker

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TOPIC: Making Lance legitimate - no win but a place or show
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/be40a7fcda772b91?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 6:35 pm
From: "Fred Gringioni"

"--D-y" <dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote in message
news:bc64d3ab-e8bc-480b-911a-081ad533b976@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...

>
> In an interview last month, LANCE talked about how he was reluctant to
> take
> risks on the wet descents. He said it was pathetic.
>
> He just doesn't have it anymore. That killer instinct. Time to quit.

:: His Prologue roads were drying, not dry, from what little we saw on
:: Versus.

Dumbass -

Contador had the same roads, he went 2 riders after LANCE.

LANCE doesn't have it anymore upstairs. It's not that surprising, it happens
to everyone. Even Eddy Merckx.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 6:47 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jul 11, 9:29 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> I was un-Lance like to see the first two crashes where he wasn't in his
> usual peloton place near the front.

FYI, in Horner's interview on Versus.com, he said that when the
traffic circle crash happened at the bottom of the penultimate climb,
Lance was in the top 10.

Brad Anders

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 6:55 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 11, 12:42 pm, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Anton Berlin" <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:90d242c2-d6a9-42b0-a52d-1600e3b2aeea@c33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> :I disagree - boosting would 'smooth' out the ups and downs.  This is
> : not a sick boy - it's the real Lance.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> This is the same guy who got 4th in the prologue.
>
> He had a biomechanical. It's not age. If it was age, there wouldn't have
> been that prologue performance.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

C'mon Henry - anyone can go fast for a few miles. Even my fat ass can
beat 'trained cyclists' for a few miles.


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 6:57 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 11, 1:09 pm, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
> news:lMadnVnv9pTmbKTRnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> : On 7/11/2010 11:31 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> : > I wonder if we are seeing the authentic Lance today.  Ni dope, no
> : > blood boosting bags on the way, just a good athlete that has his good
> : > days and bad days.  I don't see that 1 year of age should make such a
> : > difference in any rider. (assuming all else being equal)
> : >
> :
> : He does look more like the pre-ballectomy TdF Armstrong.  I agree that
> : one year should not make that much of a difference--but there's still a
> : lot of racing left.
> :
> : I was un-Lance like to see the first two crashes where he wasn't in his
> : usual peloton place near the front.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> In an interview last month, LANCE talked about how he was reluctant to take
> risks on the wet descents. He said it was pathetic.
>
> He just doesn't have it anymore. That killer instinct. Time to quit.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

It wasn't raining today. Are you becoming a lance defender again?
Just because B Laff is back? Even worse.


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 6:57 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 11, 1:11 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 8:42 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
>
>
>
> <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 11, 8:31 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > I wonder if we are seeing the authentic Lance today.  Ni dope, no
> > > blood boosting bags on the way, just a good athlete that has his good
> > > days and bad days.  I don't see that 1 year of age should make such a
> > > difference in any rider. (assuming all else being equal)
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > I don't think it's age. Something's the matter with him. Not dope/
> > notdope either - Leipheimer rode about as expected.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Agree, it looked like a cumulative effect of the extra effort of the
> past week, two crashes, and age. He looked pretty good in TdS, but all
> those years of good luck in the TdF have caught up with him. When he
> had that small second fall, the way he just stood there felt like he'd
> given in. I'm looking for him to work to support Leipheimer and
> perhaps grab an opportunistic stage win.
>
> Brad Anders

Luck doesn't know if you won the lottery last week. We all know you
make your own 'luck' in bike racing by working in the front,


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 6:58 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 11, 1:17 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 11:09 am, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:lMadnVnv9pTmbKTRnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> > : On 7/11/2010 11:31 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> > : > I wonder if we are seeing the authentic Lance today.  Ni dope, no
> > : > blood boosting bags on the way, just a good athlete that has his good
> > : > days and bad days.  I don't see that 1 year of age should make such a
> > : > difference in any rider. (assuming all else being equal)
> > : >
> > :
> > : He does look more like the pre-ballectomy TdF Armstrong.  I agree that
> > : one year should not make that much of a difference--but there's still a
> > : lot of racing left.
> > :
> > : I was un-Lance like to see the first two crashes where he wasn't in his
> > : usual peloton place near the front.
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > In an interview last month, LANCE talked about how he was reluctant to take
> > risks on the wet descents. He said it was pathetic.
>
> > He just doesn't have it anymore. That killer instinct. Time to quit.
>
> It's easier to have killer instinct when you have killer legs. All
> champions have their day, his is past. Don't forget how he responded
> when he was put down by the famous "bag incident", he jumped back up
> like the Energizer Bunny and won the stage. That guy isn't in the race
> today.
>
> I'm much more interested in what he will do now that he's clearly out
> of GC contention. You remember LemonD getting killed the day Hampsten
> won on L'Alpe? IIRC, he quit soon after. I'm hoping Lance grits his
> teeth and stick it out in support of Leipheimer.
>
> Brad Anders

He can't quit, the 'show' is about being human and infallible this
time but also being the fighter.

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TOPIC: this is the "clean" Lance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/27b5a24be3c618b2?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:04 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Clean Lance - I think so. Clean Greg? I am not so sure. I think his
time with Eddy was enough to get him some boosting knowledge. Does
anyone know for sure if Greg has exactly and definitively denied
boosting? And if so can he be believed?

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:09 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Jul 11, 8:04 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Clean Lance - I think so.  Clean Greg?  I am not so sure.  I think his
> time with Eddy was enough to get him some boosting knowledge.  Does
> anyone know for sure if Greg has exactly and definitively  denied
> boosting?  And if so can he be believed?

There was the "iron injection" in 1989.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/cycling/1998/tourdefrance/tourdefrancearchive/tour2.html
Was it iron?
Did Lemond know?


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:18 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 11, 9:09 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 8:04 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Clean Lance - I think so.  Clean Greg?  I am not so sure.  I think his
> > time with Eddy was enough to get him some boosting knowledge.  Does
> > anyone know for sure if Greg has exactly and definitively  denied
> > boosting?  And if so can he be believed?
>
> There was the "iron injection" in 1989.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/cycling/1998/tourdefrance/tourdefran...
> Was it iron?
> Did Lemond know?

I think everyone was taking iron and b vitamin shots back them
especially in stage races. I used to get them and they weren't
illegal.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:19 pm
From: Cicero Venatio

>>
>> Didn't the Schleck brother have some money put aside for dope? I don't
>> understand the obsession with Lance and doping. I seems there are
>> plenty of others with dubious connections. Suppose Lance is convicted
>> and his tour victories are thrown out like Landis, should Basso,
>> Ullrich, be given wins? Should Vinokourov move up? Oh I know we will
>> give all the wins to the last clean rider LeMond
>
> No Tour winners, or winners with *, from 1991 onward. :-)

So you're saying that Maurice Garin was clean?


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:26 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Sad to say - yes - Frank was doing it and it probably indicates that
they (or at least Frank) had the intention. I wish it wasn't so and
there's a part of me that would like to think that Andy is clean from
just something he said last year to his excited mother after a win
"It's only a bike race"

I'll bet many good pros are boosting at this point. There's just too
much info out there.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:07 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 11, 6:42 pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> ...http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/schleck-gives-warning-of-things-to-co...
>
> "On the last climb I had no problem. I thought about attacking earlier
> but I have a plan for this Tour and IÕm going to stick to it."
>
> Too bad he didn't strike earlier today, what's won is won, Contador
> might have better legs in the Pyrenees...

These fucks that wait until the last 2km to attack piss me off. I'd
like to see someone win with heart and not strategy.

Haven't seen it since Hampsten in the giro and Roche taking oxygen

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:15 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Yeah that BMI chart shows it well.'

1990 colorado and 9 other states less than 10% - no state worse than
14%

2008 colorado at 18.5% and 49 states with more than 20% fatties.

Fucking nuts - unless we have a plan to harvest and trade human fat
back to pay our debt to China

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TOPIC: If Lance is going to boost again he'll do it in the next 36 hours.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:22 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 11, 5:14 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 5:42 pm, drmofe <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 12, 3:45 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > I hope they bother to get his values today, tomorrow and Tuesday as
> > > well as watch him like a hawk.  But he's probably smart enough to know
> > > this is about his legacy and not about this year's tour.
>
> > > Knowing now that blood needs to be kept just above freezing, it
> > > wouldn't be that hard to find a way to smuggle a few bags kept cool in
> > > ice water.
>
> > Dude,
> > The only way that fresh blood would help Lance Armstrong now is if he
> > was a vampire and this was a bad horror movie.
> > When you don't got it any more, you don't got it.
>
> I am pretty sure he's talking about Lance replacing the blood he lost
> today, not skullduggery.
>
> R

No - I am talking about the unlikely possibility that Lance would call
in a delivery of blood that could then be DNA tested and identify him
without a doubt as a doper.

All they need to do is search people going in to his area of influence
but make sure they search the 'right guy' without tipping off a
'patsy' that might go in before to test if searching is happening.

It's pretty clear that Lance's paranoia, searching for pinhole
cameras, taping up the room is status quo.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:33 pm
From: Anton Berlin


It occurs to me that a smarter way to share 'boosting' technique would
be to post directions on the web and then give a teammate in need the
keywords that would let them find the post.

"I've heard that (any name of a rider doing better) found some advice
on the web by googling "boosting - testosterone patch, bicycling and
wattage" - some guy name 'Dr. Wattage" posted it."

This would keep a guy like Floyd from pinning you down years later.

Anyway, you guys ever seen any explicit doping or boosting directions
on the web?

The book I have by Asker flat out recommends using EPO as I recall

http://www.askerjeukendrup.com/


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:34 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Nice work Magiila !


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Today's topics:

* any place where LA can catch 12 min back on AC (was 1 min) ? - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3587071d3ba3d0ff?hl=en
* Message for Johan Bruyneel : waiting until the final climb ... - 5 messages,
4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/66615a3372740d39?hl=en
* Tour de France, stage 8 summary - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/689c716b6925f6ad?hl=en
* If Lance is going to boost again he'll do it in the next 36 hours. - 2
messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bd429d460a3403bb?hl=en
* Tour de France race bible - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ffb4ae42b53011ea?hl=en
* this is the "clean" Lance - 7 messages, 7 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/27b5a24be3c618b2?hl=en
* LANCE go pop - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7b78db94184418e0?hl=en
* Colorado # 1 for non fatties is now 5% above the fattest of fatties in the
original poll - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b8a9a46505dab03c?hl=en
* Lance is pissed at Levi after Stage 8 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/763171d3b97964fa?hl=en
* Wiggo confirmed as one-tour wonder ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1b66a9fc94f90739?hl=en
* Andy takes it easy... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/307e3e373e762d9f?hl=en
* Will Lance Test Positive Again? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/708d2f46530bac75?hl=en
* The Shack Spin - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ab5ec10724266ee6?hl=en
* Daniel Novarro is the MVP of Stage 8 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/053fd46aa129a202?hl=en

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TOPIC: any place where LA can catch 12 min back on AC (was 1 min) ?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 3:15 pm
From: RicodJour


On Jul 11, 5:12 pm, Betty <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> S Perryman wrote:
>
> Put 2 ball patches and a bottle Jack Daniels tonight and Monday night
> and then go on a solo attack on Tuesday.

Ummm, he only has one ball.

Maybe you meant:
Put on a solo ball patch and a bottle of Jack Daniels tonight and
Monday night and then go on a double attack on Tuesday.

R

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TOPIC: Message for Johan Bruyneel : waiting until the final climb ...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/66615a3372740d39?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 3:15 pm
From: Keith


On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 19:27:30 +0100, S Perryman <a@a.net> wrote:

>Keith wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:10:22 +0100, S Perryman <a@a.net> wrote:
>
>>>Only works if all the other teams decide they will too.
>>>When they don't : better have a plan B.
>
>>>Obviously the Col de Romme in 2009 was not lesson enough.
>
>> I must say I'm surprised that he blew up so bad, the falls can't have
>> helped of course.
>
>Possibly.
>But offers an "honourable" exit condition now, does it not.
>
>
>> It seems Vaughters was right when he said that in 2009 Astana
>> "soft-pedalled", I wonder wheter LA remembers that as he promised he
>> would ?
>
>Indeed.
>Once Astana smelt blood, they stuck the knife in with relish.
>
>
>> Another guy who should have listened to Vaughters is Wiggo, this
>> year's tour is obvisously too hard for him and it's only
>> starting....Sky and Wiggo remind me of T-Mobile and Kloden in 2006
>> when they were on the attack on Peyresourde and Portillon and he blew
>> up on the way to Pla de Beret (lost 1.30 like Wiggo today)
>
>To his teams' credit, they were the ones that put the pressure on
>and caused the collapse of Radioshack on the Ramaz. They can only
>act based on how Wiggins indicated he was going (at that time) .

Yes he looked good at that time, what's worrying is that it wasn't a
very steep climb up to Avoriaz compared to what they're going to have
in the Pyrenees so that would normally have suited him better.

>Two Armstrong "led" teams with Bruyneel as DS have been taken to pieces in
>a mountain stage on two consecutive years, by rivals not waiting for the
>final climb to get stuck in.
>
>Such one dimensional tactics by Bruyneel. And no plan B.

Well no one rally attacked on the Ramaz, Sky rode at a high pace for a
while and then Saxo took over, but nothing extraordinary judging by
how many riders stayed with them. Astana only started pulling when LA
had been dropped, payback time, eh...

As for a plan B, what could he do apart from having a guy who could
keep up like Levi did today.

>I wonder how many rival teams of yore will look back at Armstrongs reign
>and weep at such an evident weakness.

Well in 2001 on that famous "the killer look" on the Alpe, Team
Telekom (with Livingston leading the charge) had fired on all
cylinders all day as Armstrong was wussing around, pretending to be
having a bad day, but granted they just kept a high pace, they never
attacked.

>Regards,
>Steven Perryman

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 3:26 pm
From: NoDannyNo


On Jul 11, 11:10 am, S Perryman <a...@a.net> wrote:
> Only works if all the other teams decide they will too.
> When they don't : better have a plan B.
>
> Obviously the Col de Romme in 2009 was not lesson enough.
>
> Regards,
> Steven Perryman

Plan B = Leipheimer


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 3:37 pm
From: NoDannyNo


On Jul 11, 2:27 pm, S Perryman <a...@a.net> wrote:

"I wonder how many rival teams of yore will look back at Armstrongs
reign and weep at such an evident weakness."

They'd only weep at the fact that they couldn't have been racing
against a 38 year old pseudo-celebrity that can't seem to stay upright
any better than a wino who just got off the tilt-a-whirl.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 4:39 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jul 11, 8:27 pm, S Perryman <a...@a.net> wrote:
>
> Two Armstrong "led" teams with Bruyneel as DS have been taken to pieces in
> a mountain stage on two consecutive years, by rivals not waiting for the
> final climb to get stuck in.
>
> Such one dimensional tactics by Bruyneel. And no plan B.
>
> I wonder how many rival teams of yore will look back at Armstrongs reign
> and weep at such an evident weakness.

Luftmensch,

There are quite a few race tactics that look
brilliant when you have the strongest guy in the
race, and not so brilliant when you don't. That's
not to say they have no value. A tactic that doesn't
fuck up the advantages you do hold is already a
step ahead. (Look at the many times Telekom
managed to do nothing with the cards they held
in the Ullrich years, even if LANCE was stronger
one on one.)

Anyway, this whole looking back at LANCE's
weaknesses in retrospective analysis is luftmensch-
thinking. LANCE last won the Tour when, 2005?
Five years ago? What cracks him into tiny little
pieces now might not have worked then. It would
have been good if Telekom had tried it, just to make
things exciting, but he was near the top of the
field then, and he really hasn't been near the top of
the stage race field for a while, especially this year.
I think the people who said his results in the last
couple of months were crap may have the right to
say they told us so.

Fredmaster Ben


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 5:27 pm
From: DA74


On Jul 11, 11:23 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 8:10 am, S Perryman <a...@a.net> wrote:
>
> > Only works if all the other teams decide they will too.
> > When they don't : better have a plan B.
>
> > Obviously the Col de Romme in 2009 was not lesson enough.
>
> > Regards,
> > Steven Perryman
>
> Agree, we've seen this before from Bruyneel. He was lucky he had
> Leipheimer on good form to save the day.
>
> Brad Anders

+1. What a fucking mess that would have been to have a front group
devoid of any RS representation.
DA74

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 3:17 pm
From: RicodJour


On Jul 11, 5:05 pm, Betty <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> Bob Martin wrote:
> > Stage 8 : Jul 11, Station des Rousses - Morzine-Avoriaz, 189 km      
>
> >   1 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank                                              4.54.11
> >   2 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi                                    
> >   3 Robert Gesink (Ned) Rabobank                                                      0.10
> >   4 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Liquigas-Doimo                                                  
> >   5 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana                                                
> >   6 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team                                                    
>
> Contador didn't seem to have his normal climbing acceleration today when
> Sanchez and Schleck attacked. Tuesday might get interesting esp since
> Schleck needs some (lots) time in hand when the ITT arrives.

Yep, there was definitely a chink in AC's armor today, and there's a
smell of blood in the water.

R


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 3:54 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jul 11, 3:17 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 5:05 pm, Betty <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> > Bob Martin wrote:
> > > Stage 8 : Jul 11, Station des Rousses - Morzine-Avoriaz, 189 km      
>
> > >   1 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank                                              4.54.11
> > >   2 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi                                    
> > >   3 Robert Gesink (Ned) Rabobank                                                      0.10
> > >   4 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Liquigas-Doimo                                                  
> > >   5 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana                                                
> > >   6 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team                                                    
>
> > Contador didn't seem to have his normal climbing acceleration today when
> > Sanchez and Schleck attacked. Tuesday might get interesting esp since
> > Schleck needs some (lots) time in hand when the ITT arrives.
>
> Yep, there was definitely a chink in AC's armor today, and there's a
> smell of blood in the water.

I kept waiting for Contador to blast off - never happened. He said he
had "breathing problems". I'm pretty sure anyone trying to hang on
Navarro's wheel was having "breathing problems", judging by the number
he shelled.

Brad Anders


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 3:19 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 7/11/2010 5:42 PM, drmofe wrote:
> On Jul 12, 3:45 am, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I hope they bother to get his values today, tomorrow and Tuesday as
>> well as watch him like a hawk. But he's probably smart enough to know
>> this is about his legacy and not about this year's tour.
>>
>> Knowing now that blood needs to be kept just above freezing, it
>> wouldn't be that hard to find a way to smuggle a few bags kept cool in
>> ice water.
>
> Dude,
> The only way that fresh blood would help Lance Armstrong now is if he
> was a vampire and this was a bad horror movie.
> When you don't got it any more, you don't got it.

You're assuming he had it without preparation.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 3:50 pm
From: RicodJour


On Jul 11, 6:19 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 7/11/2010 5:42 PM, drmofe wrote:
> > On Jul 12, 3:45 am, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
> >> I hope they bother to get his values today, tomorrow and Tuesday as
> >> well as watch him like a hawk.  But he's probably smart enough to know
> >> this is about his legacy and not about this year's tour.
>
> >> Knowing now that blood needs to be kept just above freezing, it
> >> wouldn't be that hard to find a way to smuggle a few bags kept cool in
> >> ice water.
>
> > Dude,
> > The only way that fresh blood would help Lance Armstrong now is if he
> > was a vampire and this was a bad horror movie.
> > When you don't got it any more, you don't got it.
>
> You're assuming he had it without preparation.

This is your most endearing trait. Your ability to point out other
people's assumptions while ignoring your own. Well, that's not quite
true - you don't ignore them, you transmogrify your assumptions into
how-could-anyone-argue-this? fact.

You, sir, are the Alchemist of Logic.

R

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TOPIC: Tour de France race bible
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ffb4ae42b53011ea?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 3:31 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jul 11, 8:19 pm, "Fred Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Marius Flage" <mar...@flage.org> wrote in message
>
> news:yfadnVDQPql1mqfRnZ2dnUVZ8783t52d@telenor.com...
> : Hi there!
> :
> : I've heard lots of talk about this "race bible" that all teams, riders,
> : reporters and pretty much everyone associated with the tour uses. Does
> : anyone in here have a copy of that or know how to get hold of it?
>
> Yes.

Based on previous discussions, it's my understanding
that team mechanics sell slightly used copies on ebay,
cash only so Jeff Novitsky can't trace them.

Fredmaster Ben

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TOPIC: this is the "clean" Lance
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 3:32 pm
From: Cicero Venatio


Yea, he's old, but I think what we are really seeing is what a "clean"
Lance looks like. LeMond was right, it seems. The investigators in the
Lance Armstrong investigation think they can either crack either George
or Tyler, so we will see who will be the next one to crack in the US
Postal saga. In the David Millar interrogation, French Police were able
to make him crack in only four hours under that warm lamp. All it will
take is one more to crack, and it's all over for Lance Inc. It's too
bad, that this had to happen, but Lance just couldn't let it lay, he had
to do just one more tour. This tour could be his whole undoing, placing
Greg once again at the top, as America's best cyclist ever.

Just think if Tugboat could have talked, it would have changed everything.


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 3:51 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jul 11, 3:32 pm, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yea, he's old, but I think what we are really seeing is what a "clean"
> Lance looks like.  LeMond was right, it seems.  The investigators in the
> Lance Armstrong investigation think they can either crack either George
> or Tyler, so we will see who will be the next one to crack in the US
> Postal saga.  In the David Millar interrogation, French Police were able
> to make him crack in only four hours under that warm lamp.  All it will
> take is one more to crack, and it's all over for Lance Inc.  It's too
> bad, that this had to happen, but Lance just couldn't let it lay, he had
> to do just one more tour.  This tour could be his whole undoing, placing
> Greg once again at the top, as America's best cyclist ever.
>
> Just think if Tugboat could have talked, it would have changed everything.

Hey, dimwit, I thought you'd left. BTW, by your logic regarding a
"clean" Lance, what does that say about the guys in the front group
today? I sure don't hear you bitching about them.

Oh, wait, I get it. You're one of those incredibly naive people who
believe that only Lance was doping during his seven TdF wins, and that
everyone else was as clean as the virgin snow, right? Or maybe even
more absurdly, you believe Lance was taking some special sauce that
made the difference that the others couldn't get from their corner
drugstore, and because he had better dope, that was unfair, right?

We all knew the day would come when Lance would blow chunks on a major
climb and get his ass kicked. I'm pretty certain Lance knew that day
would come, too. We also knew that every douche like you would emerge
from the woodwork to crow about his demise. You might want to take a
look at his twitter feed and the post-stage interviews, Compare them
to the interviews with LemonD after he blew chunks and dropped out of
the '93 Tour, and let me know who you think did a better job of owning
up to reality. Until Lance invents a disease to explain away his
demise, I think LemonD has the corner on excuses.

Brad Anders


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 4:01 pm
From: RicodJour


On Jul 11, 6:32 pm, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yea, he's old, but I think what we are really seeing is what a "clean"
> Lance looks like.  LeMond was right, it seems.  The investigators in the
> Lance Armstrong investigation think they can either crack either George
> or Tyler, so we will see who will be the next one to crack in the US
> Postal saga.  In the David Millar interrogation, French Police were able
> to make him crack in only four hours under that warm lamp.  All it will
> take is one more to crack, and it's all over for Lance Inc.  It's too
> bad, that this had to happen, but Lance just couldn't let it lay, he had
> to do just one more tour.  This tour could be his whole undoing, placing
> Greg once again at the top, as America's best cyclist ever.
>
> Just think if Tugboat could have talked, it would have changed everything.

Let me start off by stating that I am not a Lance fan boy - I just
like to argue and I feel it is in your best interest to inform you you
are full of poop.

What you are seeing is the erosion of Lance's mental invulnerability.
There's a physical component, of course, but at the top level of sport
it's a mental game. Tiger Woods certainly hasn't been tearing it up
since his illicit-and-oh-so-sweet pussy was taken away*, and similarly
Lance's realization that he is mortal is taking its toll. He no
longer has that willingness to take chances at speed, he's lost his
'luck' and now _frequently_ gets scathed, doesn't like going fast when
it's wet, etc.

The snowball, she no roll up hill, meester.

R

* This is an assumed opinion of the sweetness of the pussy, and not
shared by the author, Google, Google Groups, and/or any of their
subsidiaries, although I'd be lying if I said I didn't think it were
true.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 5:02 pm
From: steve


On Jul 11, 4:01 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 6:32 pm, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yea, he's old, but I think what we are really seeing is what a "clean"
> > Lance looks like.  LeMond was right, it seems.  The investigators in the
> > Lance Armstrong investigation think they can either crack either George
> > or Tyler, so we will see who will be the next one to crack in the US
> > Postal saga.  In the David Millar interrogation, French Police were able
> > to make him crack in only four hours under that warm lamp.  All it will
> > take is one more to crack, and it's all over for Lance Inc.  It's too
> > bad, that this had to happen, but Lance just couldn't let it lay, he had
> > to do just one more tour.  This tour could be his whole undoing, placing
> > Greg once again at the top, as America's best cyclist ever.


Didn't the Schleck brother have some money put aside for dope? I don't
understand the obsession with Lance and doping. I seems there are
plenty of others with dubious connections. Suppose Lance is convicted
and his tour victories are thrown out like Landis, should Basso,
Ullrich, be given wins? Should Vinokourov move up? Oh I know we will
give all the wins to the last clean rider LeMond


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 5:18 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 7/11/2010 8:02 PM, steve wrote:
> On Jul 11, 4:01 pm, RicodJour<ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 11, 6:32 pm, Cicero Venatio<jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yea, he's old, but I think what we are really seeing is what a "clean"
>>> Lance looks like. LeMond was right, it seems. The investigators in the
>>> Lance Armstrong investigation think they can either crack either George
>>> or Tyler, so we will see who will be the next one to crack in the US
>>> Postal saga. In the David Millar interrogation, French Police were able
>>> to make him crack in only four hours under that warm lamp. All it will
>>> take is one more to crack, and it's all over for Lance Inc. It's too
>>> bad, that this had to happen, but Lance just couldn't let it lay, he had
>>> to do just one more tour. This tour could be his whole undoing, placing
>>> Greg once again at the top, as America's best cyclist ever.
>
>
> Didn't the Schleck brother have some money put aside for dope? I don't
> understand the obsession with Lance and doping. I seems there are
> plenty of others with dubious connections. Suppose Lance is convicted
> and his tour victories are thrown out like Landis, should Basso,
> Ullrich, be given wins? Should Vinokourov move up? Oh I know we will
> give all the wins to the last clean rider LeMond

No Tour winners, or winners with *, from 1991 onward. :-)


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 5:24 pm
From: DWC_TT


On Jul 11, 4:32 pm, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yea, he's old, but I think what we are really seeing is what a "clean"
> Lance looks like.

So what was he last year?


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 5:25 pm
From: DA74


On Jul 11, 4:01 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 6:32 pm, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yea, he's old, but I think what we are really seeing is what a "clean"
> > Lance looks like.  LeMond was right, it seems.  The investigators in the
> > Lance Armstrong investigation think they can either crack either George
> > or Tyler, so we will see who will be the next one to crack in the US
> > Postal saga.  In the David Millar interrogation, French Police were able
> > to make him crack in only four hours under that warm lamp.  All it will
> > take is one more to crack, and it's all over for Lance Inc.  It's too
> > bad, that this had to happen, but Lance just couldn't let it lay, he had
> > to do just one more tour.  This tour could be his whole undoing, placing
> > Greg once again at the top, as America's best cyclist ever.
>
> > Just think if Tugboat could have talked, it would have changed everything.
>
> Let me start off by stating that I am not a Lance fan boy - I just
> like to argue and I feel it is in your best interest to inform you you
> are full of poop.
>
> What you are seeing is the erosion of Lance's mental invulnerability.
> There's a physical component, of course, but at the top level of sport
> it's a mental game.  Tiger Woods certainly hasn't been tearing it up
> since his illicit-and-oh-so-sweet pussy was taken away*, and similarly
> Lance's realization that he is mortal is taking its toll.  He no
> longer has that willingness to take chances at speed,  he's lost his
> 'luck' and now _frequently_ gets scathed, doesn't like going fast when
> it's wet, etc.
>
> The snowball, she no roll up hill, meester.
>
> R
>
> *  This is an assumed opinion of the sweetness of the pussy, and not
> shared by the author, Google, Google Groups, and/or any of their
> subsidiaries, although I'd be lying if I said I didn't think it were
> true.

This is a fairly correct analysis and a largely sensible post. To add
to this line of thinking, I think psychologically Lance went into last
year, and this year for that matter as a challenger. While this is
factually true (that he was a challenger) I think if he had walked in
and pretended he won the race last year and rode like the defending
champion he would have benefitted psychologically. He is an alpha male
but essentially relegated himself in these two tours to a challenger
for alpha status. Discuss.
DA74, PhD

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 3:40 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Jul 11, 10:12 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 3:28 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > it's all over
>
> It was never on actually.  Hasn't been since 2005 in truth.  I don't
> know which is sadder, has-beens who think they can still do it or the
> eejits who encourage them.  What I find incredible is how he got
> people to sponsor him knowing he has about as much chance of a podium
> finish this year as... well, as I have.  It makes good headlines
> though - "Lance Still Crap - Official" and "Old Bloke Rides Slowly Up
> Hill On Bicycle".  You read them here first but you'll read them in
> tomorrow's paper.
>
> UD

I respect Lance and all of the 190+ guys who had the guts to show up
on the start line at this year's TdF. Only one guy can win the race.
By your ridiculous standards, everyone else shouldn't even have shown
up on the line. You did get one thing right - your chances of a podium
finish, in any event, are zero, because you haven't the slightest idea
of what competition is about.

Oh, and I doubt very seriously that Radio Shack is sorry to have
sponsored Lance. Add advertising to the list of subjects you don't
understand.

Brad Anders

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TOPIC: Colorado # 1 for non fatties is now 5% above the fattest of fatties in
the original poll
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 3:46 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Jul 11, 6:07 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2010/06/29/colorado-now-the-only-state-wi...
>
> http://healthyamericans.org/reports/obesity2010/
>
> ( I can't find the stat but Missisippi was the worst state in the
> early 90s with 14% obese, now the BEST state is 5% above that)
>
> Super Size Us....
>
> Take a look at this map. See that blue state in a sea of red and
> purple hues? It's Colorado, the only state in the union with an adult
> obesity rate below 20%. ("Just" 19.1% of its residents are obese.)

Dumbass,

It's Chung Chart time!

http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/trends.html
(page down and look at the animated chart)

http://mingus.as.arizona.edu/~bjw/misc/obesity_vote.gif

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/2368b1e6131451cd

I'm in Germany right now. You know the American
stereotype of Germans as roly poly Sergeant Schultzes?
Guess who is laughing now. Sure there are people
who look like that here, but mostly not, even with their
diets of German food. Maybe it's because they have
such small refrigerators, and markets with fresh food.
Every time I come back to the US, I have to re-accustom
myself to the wide, expansive fatness of the American
landscape.

Fredmeister Ben

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TOPIC: Lance is pissed at Levi after Stage 8
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 4:34 pm
From: "Francesco del Ponte"

Lance explains to Levi why he's so pissed
after Stage 8:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIWlvEhnjt8

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TOPIC: Wiggo confirmed as one-tour wonder ?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 4:37 pm
From: Keith


On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 20:15:04 +0200, Keith <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>Looks like Wiggo benefitted from Astana's "soft-pedalling" for LA too
>in 2009...
>
>He should have listened to Vaughters Wiggo, this year's tour is
>obvisously too hard for him and it's only starting....Sky and Wiggo
>remind me of T-Mobile and Kloden in 2006 when they were on the attack
>on Peyresourde and Portillon and he blew up on the way to Pla de Beret
>(lost 1.30 like Wiggo today)

From the horse's mouth
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-limits-damage-in-tour-de-france-test?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=news_headlines

It's pretty rare to see a rider dropped on a climb do well later in
the tour (the harder climbs are yet to come), either the form is there
or it isn't, but I guess you need a first to everything.

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TOPIC: Andy takes it easy...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 4:42 pm
From: Keith


...http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/schleck-gives-warning-of-things-to-come?cid=OTC-RSS&amp;attr=news_headlines

"On the last climb I had no problem. I thought about attacking earlier
but I have a plan for this Tour and IÕm going to stick to it."

Too bad he didn't strike earlier today, what's won is won, Contador
might have better legs in the Pyrenees...

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TOPIC: Will Lance Test Positive Again?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 5:28 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


Saddle sore which will undoubtedly require a steroid butt cream with
some actioveggan as well.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-keeps-his-cool-despite-heat-saddle-sore

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TOPIC: The Shack Spin
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ab5ec10724266ee6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 5:31 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/murphys-law-for-radioshack

When you can no longer ride the stage from the front, shit happens.
Welcome back to 1995, Lance.

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TOPIC: Daniel Novarro is the MVP of Stage 8
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 11 2010 5:32 pm
From: DA74


Listen, don't get me wrong, Schleck made a really nice and classy
attack at the end of the stage and deserved the victory but the real
star of the stage was Daniel Novarro. He did the yeoman's share of the
work on the climb and systematically decimated the front group almost
single handedly. This is not to take anything away from Vino but
Novarro was clearly the head of the class and was one the strongest
climbers in the race today. It would have been nice to see how he
fared if someone were to work for him.
DA74


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