Thursday, July 15, 2010

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Dear sir,

i need the following full text paper for my research work...
kindly send me the papers
thanks in advance

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nl049590f
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nl0344256
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TX0-4N74HYM-3&_user=3068220&_coverDate=12%2F31%2F2007&_alid=1270016947&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_cdi=5576&_sort=r&_docanchor=&view=c&_ct=3&_acct=C000059620&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=3068220&md5=aaee565568b756a1ab862105c2e59d36
http://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/pdf/10.2217/17435889.3.1.45
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/user/accessdenied?ID=114802182&Act=2138&Code=4719&Page=/cgi-bin/fulltext/114802182/PDFSTART

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Medarticles 2 papers please

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Kindly send the following papers if in access

[1]Title: Interactions between Notch- and hypoxia-induced
transcriptomes in embryonic stem cells.

Author(s): Main H, Lee KL, Yang H, Haapa-Paananen S, Edgren H, Jin S,
Sahlgren C, Kallioniemi O, Poellinger L, Lim B, Lendahl U.

Name of journal: Exp Cell Res.

Year, Volume, Issue, Page: 2010 May 15;316(9):1610-24. Epub 2009 Dec
23.

Pubmed Index No. (PMID):20034489


[2]Title: Analysis of relative gene expression data using real-time
quantitative PCR and the 2(-Delta Delta C(T)) Method.

Author(s): Livak KJ, Schmittgen TD.

Name of journal: Methods.

Year, Volume, Issue, Page: 2001 Dec;25(4):402-8.

Pubmed Index No. (PMID): 11846609


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[socialactionfoundationforequity:3467 Re: Gujarat: Making of a Fscist State: ISP II July 2010

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once again media speaks congress language.. scared of modi's
popularity.. i dont know who shakeel is .. but is it necessary that
only after violence ereupts the doubtful elements be arrested..
preventive actions are better than punitive ones.. simply saying that
since so far there has not been any maoist activities in gujarat
every thing is al right may not be correct ...today gujarat is
shining.. look at maharashtra which is slowly turning out to be more
corrupt than bihar but no condemning of maharashtra CM.. Bihar did
such corruptiohn that all biharis had to flee to other states for
their bread and butter but,' Lalu is great'.. look at orissa tripura,
north east states .. pathetic situation..howmany times media has
informed the nation that in Manipur eeven the govt employees have to
pay protection money to the local mafia..it is not only a failure of
the media but shame ... but eyeas are always at gujarat..shakeel who
so ever is.. has to be given his due whether it is award or a
punishment..

-a patriot

On Jul 15, 7:57 am, ram puniyani <ram.puniy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Gujarat: Making of a Fascist State*
>
> *Ram Puniyani*
>
> Abdul Shakeel Basha, known popularly as Shakeel to his friends, has been
> arrested on 17th June 2010, on various charges. The major charge is that he
> along with his other friends was planning to start a Maoist revolution in
> Gujarat. Shakeel is 13th amongst the activists who have been arrested on
> similar charges. Activists who have been arrested on the charge of being
> Naxalites are Avinash Kulkarni, Bharat Pawar, Makabhai Chowdhary, Jayaram
> Goswami and others who have been working in different parts of Gujarat,
> particularly amongst the tribal and workers for their economic rights. There
> has been no news of any violence in the areas where they have been working.
> One knows Shakeel has a long record of working for communal harmony, justice
> for Gujarat violence victims, and housing for street children amongst other
> issues. 'Peace issues' has been his concern during last few years.
>
> Apart from Shakeel the work of most of these activist's, arrested by Gujarat
> police, has been within the confines of Indian Constitution, struggles based
> on the 'rights as citizens', as weaker sections of society. The major
> violence witnessed by Gujarat has been the one of sectarian type, the one
> directed first against Muslim minorities and then Christian minorities. On
> the contrary the work of some of these activists has been to promote
> communal harmony, which has been a hindrance to spread of divisiveness being
> promoted by the likes of Swami Aseemanand of VHP, an RSS affiliate, who is
> currently absconding for his linkages with the perpetrators of Ajmer terror
> attack.
>
> With the nation wide beginning of operation 'green hunt', the targeting of
> Naxalites/Maoists, the Gujarat police, not to be left behind, has targeted
> the activists working within the confines of constitutional limits. Gujarat
> has never been known to be the work area of Naxalites/Maoists anyway. This
> has been an area where the followers of RSS have been calling shots from
> last two decades in particular and trying to convert it into 'ideal Hindu
> state'. Gujarat has also been boasted as the ideal Hindu state, particularly
> since the violence against minorities became intense. The anti Muslim
> offensive culminated in Gujarat carnage of 2002. After 2002 there was a
> sustained attack on Christians. This is the violence which is the marker of
> Gujarat.
>
> One never heard of any Naxalite violence and there are no criminal cases
> against most of the activists who have been arrested. As such through the
> intense media propaganda, social activists have been defamed to the extent
> that Medha Patkar was attacked physically for her campaigns to protect the
> rights of tribal. Strong propaganda against 'activists' in general is part
> of the norms prevalent in Gujarat.
>
> The sequence of the political events in Gujarat is very revealing. First the
> sectarianism comes up; various factors promote this communal divide. This
> leads to the massive anti Muslim pogrom on the pretext of Godhra train
> burning. Then on the plea that Christian missionaries are converting the
> gullible Adivasis, anti Christian violence is unleashed. This runs parallel
> with the aggressive conversion of Adivasis into Hinduism under the garb of
> 'Ghar vapasi'. Through Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram, through swamis and associates
> identity issues are projected in the Adivasi areas. The result of all this
> is the overall suspension of the concept of Human rights and demonization of
> social activists. As such whatever little is there in the name of social
> activism has been dwarfed under the shadow of communalization of social
> space and communal violence.
>
> Due to these anti minority attacks, minorities have been relegated to second
> class citizens. The culmination of this is the formation of Muslim ghettoes
> in urban areas and intimidation of Christians in Adivasi areas. Along with
> this the concept of 'Swarnim Gujarat' (Golden Gujarat), a heaven for
> investors is advertised through media. In tandem with this the rights of
> workers and tribal are being suppressed to ensure that the industrialists
> can have their sway to make big money. As Ratan Tata put it, industrialists
> have to be in Gujarat. And so Anil Ambani and others of their ilk project
> Narendra Modi as the ideal Chief Minister, the future Prime Minister of
> India. The inference is emerging that anti minority pogrom has effectively
> been undertaken to create a 'smooth' atmosphere for the industrialists.
> After subjugating minorities and the democratic values the illusion of
> 'development' has been manufactured.
>
> Narnedra Modi has been compared to Hitler times and over again. Through his
> anti Jew, anti Communist tirades Hitler created the 'ideal' atmosphere for
> the big industrialists. It seems Modi has taken Gujarat on the same path.
> First he has ensured the suspension of human rights through anti-minority
> pogroms, then demonized the social activists and now whatever little
> activity prevailed for democratic rights of the marginalized, is being done
> away with. The human rights workers, working in the Constitutional framework
> are being dubbed as Naxalites and are being put behind the bars. The idea is
> to smoothen the path for big industrialists. The arrest of workers for human
> rights issues is like laying the red carpet for the reckless growth of
> industries, trampling on the interests of the deprived sections of society.
> What is hidden below the red carpet is the very concept of a welfare state,
> a secular state, a state with the concept of human rights of all. One is
> also reminded of the RSS ideologue M.S. Golwalkar writing in his book 'Bunch
> of Thoughts' that Muslims, Christians and Communists are the internal threat
> to Hindu nation. It seems following his advice first the Muslims, then the
> Christians and now the social activists (communist substitutes) are being
> targeted as Naxalites.
>
> The happenings in Gujarat show us the deeper designs of the political class
> of the country, who are executing industrialization without a human face,
> industrialization on the bodies of the marginalized sections. Hitler did
> precisely the same. In the short term it seems very rewarding but surely one
> knows from History that once the violation of the concepts of democracy goes
> too far, the results are not very pleasing. Hitler refused to learn it in
> his life, that's why he had to put a bullet in his head. Germany kept toeing
> his line, that's why it faced the ruin after the temporary graphs showing
> economic prosperity!
>
> One reaffirms that those believing in the 'violence as a means for social
> change' have no place in the democratic system. In turn, one must learn that
> democracy is doomed in a state which does not let the peaceful social
> movements to exist!
>
> --
>
> Issues in Secular Politics
>
> II July 2010
>
> For circulation
>
> www.pluralindia.com
>
> Response only to ram.puniy...@gmail.com

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Re: Medarticles article request

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On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:45 AM, bob <toroide@gmail.com> wrote:
I need the article below. Thanks in advance

Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging Activation of the Brain in
Children: Real Acupoint Versus Sham Acupoint
Yun Wu
Journal of Child Neurology, Vol. 25, No. 7, 849-855 (2010)
DOI: 10.1177/0883073809351314

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rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 11 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* What is wrong with you guys?!?! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/56c8f6f4a4d5bb2d?hl=en
* Lance's Lawyers Tries to Blow Smoke - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/960bcba70039d083?hl=en
* Now That CFE is Out of It - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/94c3fba42eacd095?hl=en
* Tour Cyclist's Greatest Challenge - To Go Slower - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7ff039fef194a0d7?hl=en
* New Road ID commercial - idiot Bob Roll discusses crashing in a forest. - 2
messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bd6b539824584935?hl=en
* I Don't Care What You Say... - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/84744dc3b7429d09?hl=en
* More kudus to Julian Dean - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1978cca078261cf0?hl=en
* Lafferty was totally fucking wrong about Lance getting arrested in France! -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b76f57f21176d546?hl=en
* Poll: Killfiling Laffatme - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/037fd1325ce45778?hl=en
* Lance needs a "fix" - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf05e05354daa51f?hl=en
* this is what drugs cheats look like - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/282338600374c10b?hl=en

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TOPIC: What is wrong with you guys?!?!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/56c8f6f4a4d5bb2d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:22 pm
From: Jimmy July


On 07/15/2010 09:03 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Jul 14, 7:10 pm, Jimmy July<ha...@happy.joy.joy> wrote:
>> Are you guys all INSANE!?!?! After all Lance Armstrong has done for the
>> sport of cycling and millions of cancer survivors, how can you stand to
>> see your own faces in the mirror?
>>
>> Every one of you is caught up in unproven gossip and innuendo, all
>> designed to pull the man down to your level. None of you have ever
>> accomplished a damned thing and you're just jealous of someone who has!
>
> Silly cunt, as soon as you stop gargling Lance's ball sack come back
> and post something less hero-worshippy and frankly less down right gay
> for a grown man to put into a public space.

Sounds like someone's repressing something, and not too well, either!


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 4:26 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Jul 15, 11:46 am, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr> wrote:
>> Betty wrote:
>>> Give me your pid and I'll kill -9 you.
>> You know the video, right?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4
>
> Holy shit guys and I thought the worst example of a nerd was when I
> was teaching a friend's son how to drive a manual transmission and he
> kept referring to the gearshift as a 'joystick'.
>
> Those Stanford nerds are really pathetic.

They are SO pathetic, they'll probably end up sponsoring a professional
cycling team.

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TOPIC: Lance's Lawyers Tries to Blow Smoke
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/960bcba70039d083?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:32 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 7/15/2010 5:59 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Jul 15, 3:11 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Note to Lance's attorney. Lance was entitled to the stock as of the
>> Fall of 2004 and acted in reliance thereon.
>
> Entitled - okay, sure. Acted in reliance...? Cite.

Armstrong claimed he was an owner of Tailwind on numerous occasions.
According to Coyle, Landis and others he acted with the apparent
authority of an owner many times which leads one to conclude that he
relied on the assurances of Stapleton and other that he was a part owner
of Tailwind.
>
> Everybody and their fookin' uncle knew OJ was guilty. Lawyers are
> invidious and not to be trusted. You should know that.

What I know is that lawyers, good ones, zealously represent their
clients within the bounds of the law. Herman is doing his job.
However, I will be very surprised if he throws that argument in a motion
to dismiss if he knows he's not correct on the law. That's where Rule
11 sanctions come in. Lawyers like to avoid that.

> You should
> know that you can't even trust your own opinion on anything, which,
> for the record, is not an opinion but tumescence speaking for you.

I think not, Rico. I trust my own judgment as an attorney who has been
admitted to practice for going on thirty years. I suggest that you
learn to deal with the fact that a) I know what I'm writing about as to
legal principles and issues; and b) whether you like it or not I have
more accurate legal knowledge and expertise in my little toe than you
have in your entire brain. Ponder that tonight when you stroke yourself
off to sleep. Nite, nite. :-)


>
> R

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 4:35 pm
From: Keith


On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:11:57 -0400, "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>Note to Lance's attorney. Lance was entitled to the stock as of the
>Fall of 2004 and acted in reliance thereon. He became a shareholder when
>the board voted him the stock. He could have sued the board at any time
>subsequent to that vote to compel the board to issue him his stock. The
>actual issuance is merely evidence that they did it that Lance, as a
>shareholder is entitled to have and hold for himself, his heirs and
>assigns. Nice try Mr. Herman. I'll give you a D+ for effort. I hope
>you have your lawyer's act refined a bit better for the Grand Jury
>appearance.
>
>http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/07/news/armstrong-attorney-explains-apparent-contradiction-on-tailwind-ownership_129107

Pretty pathetic and again, this is giving credit to the Landis
accusations, the guy is losing it.

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TOPIC: Now That CFE is Out of It
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:35 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"Geraard Spergen" <GeraardSpergen@juno.com> wrote in message
news:b2b28dfe-e272-4d13-be4b-83a2e0450da2@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
: Hincapie has permission to go for a stage win.
: Should he pick Tourmalet or Ax-3 Domaines?

Dumbass -

Hincapie's chances are slim. He's better as a worker. He's not a closer.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:39 pm
From: NoDannyNo


On Jul 15, 6:35 pm, "Kurgan Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Geraard Spergen" <GeraardSper...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b2b28dfe-e272-4d13-be4b-83a2e0450da2@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
> : Hincapie has permission to go for a stage win.
> : Should he pick Tourmalet or Ax-3 Domaines?
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Hincapie's chances are slim. He's better as a worker. He's not a closer.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

In The Days Of Old When Knight's Were Bold; Pla d'adet 2005. Closure.

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TOPIC: Tour Cyclist's Greatest Challenge - To Go Slower
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7ff039fef194a0d7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:38 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"Anton Berlin" <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:361dc738-37db-4a74-b24d-9c055b4ce334@x18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/11/sports/cycling/11climb.html

::
:: LeMond had performed calculations that showed that Contador's maximum
:: oxygen intake in that climb was out of the realm of possibility

Dumbass -

That ruins the article right there.

Lemond performing calculations?

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:43 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 7/15/2010 4:53 PM, i,fred wrote:
> Anton Berlin<truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/11/sports/cycling/11climb.html
>>
>> Cyclists=92 Alpine Times May Hint at Past Doping
>> By JULIET MACUR
>>
>> LES ROUSSES, France =97 When the riders in the Tour de France head
>> into
>> the Alps on Sunday, tackling the first high mountains of this year=92s
>> race, all eyes will be on them. Stopwatches will be ticking.
>>
>> =93I think the simplest way to figure out if the sport is clean or
>> not
>> is to time some of the climbs,=94 said Jonathan Vaughters, the team
>> director of Garmin-Transitions, who is an outspoken antidoping
>> advocate. =93It=92s not an exact science, but it gives you an idea
>> of
>> what=92s going on. For me, it=92s something I pay attention to. I
>> want to
>> know whether I=92m wasting my time.=94
>>
>> Vaughters watched the Crit=E9rium du Dauphin=E9 in June and timed
>> the
>> defending Tour winner Alberto Contador as he raced up L=92Alpe d=92Huez,
>> a
>> route with 21 switchbacks and one of the legendary climbs in cycling.
>> Vaughters looked at his stopwatch and was satisfied. =93It was about
>> four minutes slower than the winning time in 2001,=94 he said. =93Ah,
>> good.=94
>>
>> In most sports, progress is measured by advancement. Runners go faster
>> on the track. Athletes strive to break records.
>>
>> But in cycling, a sport plagued by doping problems, some measure its
>> progress in a different way: by how much it has regressed in terms
>> of
>> times on steep climbs, particularly since the 1990s and early 2000s,
>> when doping was thought to be rampant.
>>
>> Though the exact starting point of the Alpe d=92Huez climb has changed
>> slightly over the years, the Italian rider Marco Pantani still holds
>> the record at 37 minutes 35 seconds, set in 1997, as well as three
>> of
>> the unofficial top five times. He made those climbs before a test
>> for
>> the blood booster EPO was available. At that time, some riders have
>> said, top cyclists often used EPO to increase endurance.
>>
>> Riders with at least 7 of the unofficial top 16 times up L=92Alpe
>> d=92Huez
>> have tested positive, like Floyd Landis and Iban Mayo; have admitted
>> to doping, like Bjarne Riis, Richard Virenque and Alex Z=FClle; or
>> have
>> been implicated in a doping scandal, like Jan Ullrich.
>>
>> Ullrich, the 1997 Tour winner, retired from the sport after being
>> tied
>> to a Spanish doping ring. His former coach, Rudy P=E9venage, was quoted
>> by the French sports newspaper L=92=C9quipe last week saying that
>> he had
>> organized Ullrich=92s visits to a blood-doping doctor in Spain.
>>
>> Based on that history, it makes sense that some climbing times have
>> slowed with the advent of tougher antidoping tests, said Aldo Sassi,
>> an Italian exercise physiologist and longtime cycling coach who trains
>> the riders Cadel Evans and Ivan Basso.
>>
>> =93The speeds are lower in the climbs because there is no doping now,
>> or
>> less doping, in my opinion,=94 Sassi said. =93If you look at Pantani=92s
>> times, the power he produced was very close to 6.8 watts per kilo,
>> and
>> that is something no one can explain if you have physiological normal
>> conditions for any athlete.=94
>>
>> Sassi, like nearly every top coach now, uses computers affixed to
>> riders=92 bikes to determine how much power those riders are producing.
>> Sassi said he could also calculate those numbers the old-fashioned
>> way, with math.
>>
>> Over his decades in the sport, he has concluded that no rider can
>> produce more than an average of 6.0 to 6.2 watts per kilogram of his
>> weight over a ride of 30 to 40 minutes. In the power numbers he
>> calculated from the 2009 Giro d=92Italia, Sassi found that only one
>> top
>> rider =97 Denis Menchov of Rabobank =97 produced more than 6.0 watts
>> per
>> kilogram on a climb, kicking out a 6.1. Yet a rider who was later
>> suspended for doping at that race, Danilo DiLuca of Italy, was
>> producing power on another climb at a rate much less than 6.0, Sassi
>> said.
>>
>> =93There is always a gray area,=94 he said.
>>
>> Sassi said that determining the exact power-to-weight numbers for
>> riders in the past was not easy because of the variables involved.
>> He
>> would need to know things like the length of the climb, the rate of
>> ascent, the weight of the rider and bike, and the weather conditions.
>>
>> =93So for Pantani, for Armstrong, I=92m just not sure,=94 he said.
>>
>> Lance Armstrong, who is trying to win the Tour for the eighth time,
>> holds two of the top four unofficial times up L=92Alpe d=92Huez. His
>> team
>> manager, Johan Bruyneel, said those fast times should not cast a
>> shadow on Armstrong, who is under federal investigation for fraud
>> and
>> doping during the years he rode on the United States Postal Service
>> team.
>>
>> One of Armstrong=92s top times up L=92Alpe d=92Huez was in the 2004
>> time
>> trial, when he went full bore up the mountain, with no race tactics
>> in
>> play or other riders to deal with. He finished in 37:36.
>>
>> =93There=92s no way you can measure one time against another,=94 Bruyneel
>> said. =93If a rider is going full gas from the bottom, that=92s one
>> thing.
>> But most of the times, that wasn=92t the case. But that won=92t keep
>> people from talking.=94
>>
>> Eyebrows were raised last year at the Tour when Contador sped up the
>> Verbier climb, leaving other riders in his wake.
>>
>> He had zoomed to the top of a 5.5-mile ascent with a 7.5 percent
>> average grade in just under 21 minutes, and he later refused to answer
>> questions about how he had performed so well.
>>
>> Vaughters said it was possible to do without doping because it was
>> a
>> very short climb. But Greg LeMond, a three-time Tour winner, wrote
>> in
>> the French newspaper Le Monde that he was skeptical of the
>> performance.
>>
>> =93There is something wrong,=94 LeMond wrote, likening Contador=92s
>> performance to a Mercedes winning a Formula One race. =93It would
>> be
>> interesting to know what=92s under the hood.=94
>>
>> LeMond had performed calculations that showed that Contador=92s maximum
>> oxygen intake in that climb was out of the realm of possibility. Some
>> exercise physiologists agreed with him and his calculations. Others
>> did not.
>>
>> The same debate arose when Landis won the now infamous Stage 17 of
>> the
>> 2006 Tour. He crossed the finish line in Morzine, the same town
>> hosting the finish Sunday, after an improbable solo breakaway that
>> set
>> him up for the victory. It was an effort so incredible some people
>> thought it was too good to be true.
>>
>> And they were right. He later tested positive for testosterone on
>> that
>> day and was stripped of the Tour title.
>>
>> But his former trainer, Allen Lim, who now works for Armstrong=92s
>> RadioShack team, said it was possible for Landis to have produced
>> that
>> performance. He said Landis had produced even more power over a longer
>> ride during training.
>>
>> =93In and of itself, these racers are doing amazing, unbelievable
>> things
>> on a daily basis because they are already a tiny part of the
>> population, a very small percentage of the world,=94 Lim said. =93They
>> are
>> already different. It=92s when a rider has no history of good
>> performances, then has massive changes. Now that=92s when you should
>> raise a red flag.=94
>>
>> There have been some discussions among exercise physiologists of
>> testing individual athletes=92 peak performances to determine each
>> one=92s
>> peak power output and use it as a baseline to determine possible
>> doping. Any future performances above that output would raise a red
>> flag.
>>
>> But some say that would never work. The reasons behind amazing
>> performances cannot necessarily be proved, they said. Sometimes, they
>> just happen.
>>
>> =93When people are put into extreme situations, like when you see
>> when
>> people=92s kids are trapped beneath cars and they are able to lift
>> up
>> that car, they can go to unknown depths of human performance,=94 said
>> Matt Parker, the head of marginal gains for Team Sky. =93Performances
>> like that come out in sports once in a while, too. So when someone
>> does something incredible, why not believe it?=94
>
> Thanks for posting. I think this is more than just a gray area. While I agree
> that it can work I just can't see how it would be enforced.
>
> i,fred

The only people who believe this stuff are Euro gym teachers and award
winning Irish sports writers.

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TOPIC: New Road ID commercial - idiot Bob Roll discusses crashing in a forest.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bd6b539824584935?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:39 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:5e00f22b-ee62-4c38-86c7-0154bef95c71@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 15, 12:46 pm, "Kurgan Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Anton Berlin" <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> : That's why the makers of 7 Minute Abs are introducing "Forest ID" so
> : that chipmunks and bears know how to adminster CPR to a diabetic.
> :
> :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9mioHO4hoM
>
> Dumbass -
>
> RoadID is the most retarded thing ever. Just ask Brad Anders.
>
> How much do those things cost anyways? They cost something like $0.50 to
> manaufacture.

:: How much did it cost to print your diploma? I think another metric
:: should be used.

Dumbass -

I always just carried my wallet which had my drivers license in it.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:46 pm
From: Anton Berlin


The real strategy is not to carry your organ donor card too readily
accessible. I've heard empirical stories that known ODs (a good thing
to do) can get shortened life saving measures as Drs begin to consider
the benefit to saving your life or 5-6 others.

A healthy cyclist has some damn desirable oragns in the medical
community's eyes.

Keep the OD card seperate and let them try to save you first, if
you're a veg 48 hours later your NoK can sign off on pulling the plug
and harvesting.

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TOPIC: I Don't Care What You Say...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/84744dc3b7429d09?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:41 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"Carl Sundquist" <carl.sundquist@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:52e7cd2d-bd37-4b43-a08b-5ce91c6ee6ea@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...


:: That said, if Renshaw was going to get penalized for something, it
:: should have been the way he obviously and blatantly shut the door on
:: Farrar.

Dumbass -

Agreed.

As for the head butt - why didn't he just elbow flick Dean? It would've been
more subtle and worked better.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:51 pm
From: Anton Berlin

>
> As for the head butt - why didn't he just elbow flick Dean? It would've been
> more subtle and worked better.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

These fags are ballet dancers. Sprinting next to Abdoujaparov was
like sharing rabbit with a Tasmanian Devil


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 4:06 pm
From: Henry


On Jul 16, 7:44 am, Carl Sundquist <carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 1:14 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 15, 1:58 pm, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 15, 5:51 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 15, 11:41 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > > > > HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys.  Not only did Renshaw deliver
> > > > > his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
> > > > > tell -
>
> > > > dumbass,
>
> > > > renshaw just got kicked out of the tour for his riding.
>
> > > Commissaires American are they?
>
> > whatev, i'm not american. the chief commissaire is probably martin
> > bruin (it was last year), who is a very reasonable guy.
>
> > > I must say I'm not surprised.  Presumably for the post handbags switch
> > > which was in the last 200 rather than the handbags episode itself?
>
> > comes with the turf. anyone who takes part in bunch sprints will have
> > to do somewhat dicey things and once in a while they will get
> > penalized. that why the commissaires are there - to make the judgment
> > call.
>
> > if you remember our exchanges a few months ago, one of the things i
> > said i didn't like about sprints was the goonery.
>
> I don't have a problem with the head butts. Contrary to the statement
> from the race director, both riders were both stable and handling
> their bikes and themselves well. However, the race official is not an
> official and should not have any input on the matter. It shouldn't
> have been considered as more than a little 'argy-bargy". Perhaps the
> number of injuries in the Tour so far (caused by entirely different
> circumstances, of course) has made the officials a little more gun shy
> than they would be otherwise.
>
> That said, if Renshaw was going to get penalized for something, it
> should have been the way he obviously and blatantly shut the door on
> Farrar. But even that shouldn't have merited a removal from the race.
> But what penalty would have been suitable? Cav didn't do anything
> wrong so you can't relegate his points. Renshaw doesn't care about his
> placing or time. Most fines are pittances. Getting DSQ from the race
> was too harsh for the infraction.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

being a staunch kiwi supporter, I couldn't agree more.
Far too harsh a penalty; smacks of politics


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 4:08 pm
From: Henry


On Jul 16, 4:51 am, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 11:41 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys.  Not only did Renshaw deliver
> > his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
> > tell -
>
> dumbass,
>
> renshaw just got kicked out of the tour for his riding.

It's because it was a liverpool kiss. Agree with others that an elbow
or shoulder (which I assume could actually be much more dangerous)
would probably have just got a "tut tut" from the officials


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 4:10 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Sunny - more injuries of consequence caused by route selection and
falure to change the routes. It only took me one time riding down one
of those mossy wet forest roads to know they're not to be messed with.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 4:21 pm
From: Keith


On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:09:01 -0700 (PDT), "Kurgan. presented by
Gringioni." <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:

>The thing with Dean was normal since Dean was going to pinch him, but
>Dean only had maybe 6 inches on him so he head butted.
>
>Renshaw was wrong w/ the Farrar closeout though. Leadout guys
>shouldn't be chopping other teams' sprinters once they're done with
>their work

Yes I had missed that during the race but in replays it's really bad,
he couldn't get away with both these issues.

>thanks,
>
>Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

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TOPIC: More kudus to Julian Dean
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1978cca078261cf0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:42 pm
From: MyPostingID


On Jul 15, 5:56 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 8:51 am, drmofe <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > ...for getting a-head of Mark Renshaw...
> > ...for getting in his face...
>
> > Capital job!
>
> isn't a kudu a kind of antelope? or did I just get wooshed ?

Yes, there's a greater kudu and a lesser kudu.

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TOPIC: Lafferty was totally fucking wrong about Lance getting arrested in
France!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b76f57f21176d546?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:42 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Cancer charity or humanitarian work is a zero sum game that Armstrong
actually grifts off of. Look at how much energy and cash is put
towards 'cancer'. Numerous organizations, boards and backoffices
taking a piece of the pie. Liestrong's director takes a healthy $250k
salary on a budget of only $32M a year.

Compare that with the ACS taking in a $1B a year where the CEO takes
1/10th of the comparative salary.

People that want to 'help' cancer patients will find a way without
Lance Armstrongs bullshit charity. All he's done is cut the pie in
smaller pieces added overhead costs and tried to make himself look
good in others and his own twisted self image.

If Lance didn't play with steroids so much at the OTC he never would
have given cancer a 2nd thought. Or had it in the first place more
than likely.


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TOPIC: Poll: Killfiling Laffatme
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/037fd1325ce45778?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:45 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr> wrote in message
news:1bd03$4c3f78e0$53578816$14323@cache3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
: Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
: > Spreading negativity is bad karma.
:
: Damn hippie.

Dumbass -

Ya, I guess.

In my line of work (though maybe not in all lines of work), it's something
that you can see. People who spread around too much negative vibe don't make
it.

On the flip side, your boy Tiesto is supposed to be a master of personal
relations (in a positive way).

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:47 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroForums.com> wrote in message
news:atKdnYDVJowv5KLRnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@sti.net...
:
: But it's seems like a fairly harmless hobby obsession, no different then
: Laff going on TV to offer legal commentary on something like Larry King
: during the OJ fiasco. Legal commentators are all over TV in all kinds of
: issues and famous cases. Why would Laff be so different then some of those
: folks?

<snip>

Dumbass -

They get paid for it.

Laff's spreading around his negative vibe just because that's his
personality. Too bad for him. IMO, people that do that have no idea what a
disservice they do to themselves.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:46 pm
From: "Steve Freides"


Frederick the Great wrote:
> In article <8a74usFc9fU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Steve Freides" <steve@kbnj.com> wrote:
>
>> Please indicate your choice, and don't make up a f#$*ing choice that
>> isn't listed below - just pick whatever's closest. Or not, and make
>> up your own and see if anyone else agrees with you. I vote #7.
>>
>>
>> Poll: Killfile Laffatme or not?
>>
>> 1. I never killfile anyone - it's a matter of principle, free
>> speech, and yada yada.
>>
>> 2. I never killfile anyone except you, Freides.
>>
>> 3. I use Google Groups and I can't killfile anyone.
>>
>> 4. I don't give a rat's ass about rbr, and therefore killfiling
>> anyone is too much trouble so I don't.
>>
>> 5. I agree with almost everything Laffatme says and would never
>> killfile him for that reason.
>>
>> 6. I don't agree with everything Laffatme says but it's no skin off
>> my nose to read his rantings, either, so no killfile.
>>
>> 7. I disagree with everything Laffatme says but I haven't killfiled
>> him and I can't explain why, either, except that I must be an idiot.
>>
>> 8. After reading this poll, I will killfile Laffatme immediately.
>
> Go to hell. You did not cover all points of view; and
> rather than own up to it you demand that we all force
> ourselves into your pigeon holes. You possibilities are
> not neutrally stated. Rather you made them as personal
> as possible. All the choices are steeped your own
> attitudes; not an honest attempt to include the widest
> range of views fairly stated as you could. To agree to
> any of them is to agree with your point of view, which stinks.

Bite me.

-S-


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:58 pm
From: Anton Berlin

> So you've finally come out of the closet.- Hide quoted text -

Looks like Jimmy is a stocker.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 4:41 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


Anton Berlin wrote:
>> So you've finally come out of the closet.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Looks like Jimmy is a stocker.

He's caught on that "Anton Berlin" is one of Lance Armstrong's many
pseudonyms.

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TOPIC: Lance needs a "fix"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf05e05354daa51f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:52 pm
From: Anton Berlin


keep up the good work ~!

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TOPIC: this is what drugs cheats look like
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/282338600374c10b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 4:09 pm
From: Henry


and perform like.
the womens records
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/800_metres_world_record_progression
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadezhda_Olizarenko


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rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* What is wrong with you guys?!?! - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/56c8f6f4a4d5bb2d?hl=en
* Poll: Killfiling Laffatme - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/037fd1325ce45778?hl=en
* Wat's with the Yellow Jersey fetching water? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf28e5b052ca87a8?hl=en
* I Don't Care What You Say... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/84744dc3b7429d09?hl=en
* Lance needs a "fix" - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cf05e05354daa51f?hl=en
* More kudus to Julian Dean - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1978cca078261cf0?hl=en
* Tour Cyclist's Greatest Challenge - To Go Slower - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7ff039fef194a0d7?hl=en
* Lance's Lawyers Tries to Blow Smoke - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/960bcba70039d083?hl=en
* why stupid people have difficulty when faced with the truth - 4 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/35435ff2c401a205?hl=en
* Lafferty was totally fucking wrong about Lance getting arrested in France! -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b76f57f21176d546?hl=en

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TOPIC: What is wrong with you guys?!?!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/56c8f6f4a4d5bb2d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 1:05 pm
From: Stuknot


On Jul 14, 5:10 pm, Jimmy July <ha...@happy.joy.joy> wrote:
> Are you guys all INSANE!?!?! After all Lance Armstrong has done for the
> sport of cycling and millions of cancer survivors, how can you stand to
> see your own faces in the mirror?
>
> Every one of you is caught up in unproven gossip and innuendo, all
> designed to pull the man down to your level. None of you have ever
> accomplished a damned thing and you're just jealous of someone who has!

Dear Mr. July,

You're gonna need a bigger boat.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 2:58 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 15, 3:05 pm, Stuknot <Jhan...@whwlawcorp.com> wrote:
> On Jul 14, 5:10 pm, Jimmy July <ha...@happy.joy.joy> wrote:
>
> > Are you guys all INSANE!?!?! After all Lance Armstrong has done for the
> > sport of cycling and millions of cancer survivors, how can you stand to
> > see your own faces in the mirror?
>
> > Every one of you is caught up in unproven gossip and innuendo, all
> > designed to pull the man down to your level. None of you have ever
> > accomplished a damned thing and you're just jealous of someone who has!
>
> Dear Mr. July,
>
> You're gonna need a bigger boat.

LOL - great quote


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:22 pm
From: Jimmy July


On 07/15/2010 09:03 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Jul 14, 7:10 pm, Jimmy July<ha...@happy.joy.joy> wrote:
>> Are you guys all INSANE!?!?! After all Lance Armstrong has done for the
>> sport of cycling and millions of cancer survivors, how can you stand to
>> see your own faces in the mirror?
>>
>> Every one of you is caught up in unproven gossip and innuendo, all
>> designed to pull the man down to your level. None of you have ever
>> accomplished a damned thing and you're just jealous of someone who has!
>
> Silly cunt, as soon as you stop gargling Lance's ball sack come back
> and post something less hero-worshippy and frankly less down right gay
> for a grown man to put into a public space.

Sounds like someone's repressing something, and not too well, either!

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TOPIC: Poll: Killfiling Laffatme
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/037fd1325ce45778?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 1:07 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article <quudnQbHluxU0aLRnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@sti.net>,
"GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroForums.com> wrote:

> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> > "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:cLWdnReND8ee_6PRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >
> >> "What‚s clear is that Lance Armstrong commands a devotion from his
> >> fans that is unmatched by any other sports star in memory.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > I'm not a fan of LANCE, but I (and many others here) find your
> > obsessiveness with him to be very annoying.
> >
> > The reason is that your reasons for posting all your stuff has a very
> > negative undertone. It's driven by negative energy and negative
> > emotion. If he's gonna go down, fine, but it doesn't give me any
> > pleasure any more than it gives me pleasure to see any other rider go
> > down for cheating. I don't revel in another person's misfortune. It's
> > bad karma.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> I don't think lawyers are into Karma much.

Their opinion on the matter does not change Newton's third law.
Actions have consequences on the actor; immediate consequences.

--
Old Fritz


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 1:41 pm
From: "A. Dumas"


Betty wrote:
> GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
>> I don't like the foul language used against Lance, its quite unnecessary
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDpqupB5_cw>
>
> (The Dumas/Walker/Breuking/k rbr mp3 ref has been disappeared)

New ISP, sorry.
http://members.ziggo.nl/ted/etc/gcuotwf.mp3


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 2:08 pm
From: "A. Dumas"


Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> Spreading negativity is bad karma.

Damn hippie.


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 2:12 pm
From: "GoneBeforeMyTime"


Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Jul 15, 8:00 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
>> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>> "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:cLWdnReND8ee_6PRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>>> "What's clear is that Lance Armstrong commands a devotion from his
>>>> fans that is unmatched by any other sports star in memory.
>>
>>> <snip>
>>
>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>> I'm not a fan of LANCE, but I (and many others here) find your
>>> obsessiveness with him to be very annoying.
>>
>>> The reason is that your reasons for posting all your stuff has a
>>> very negative undertone. It's driven by negative energy and negative
>>> emotion. If he's gonna go down, fine, but it doesn't give me any
>>> pleasure any more than it gives me pleasure to see any other rider
>>> go down for cheating. I don't revel in another person's misfortune.
>>> It's bad karma.
>>
>>> thanks,
>>
>>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>>
>> I don't think lawyers are into Karma much. It's their job to roots
>> out facts and details as experts in their field, as where most of us
>> don't even have a clue. It's just a forum, and as long as he's
>> civil, which he usually is, I like the access to those links,
>> stories and facts. Besides there is ample counterweight around here,
>> not like Laff running the show.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> A lawyer's job is to win cases, not to root out facts.
> Rooting out facts happens in the service of winning
> cases, when it is in the service, and not when it isn't.
>
> This is one reason Lafferty is not a reliable source of
> information about LANCE - he's an advocate. There's
> nothing wrong with being an advocate as long as you're
> honest with yourself about it. That's part of the issue -
> if you think you're a objective investigator but you're
> really an advocate.
>
> The other part of the issue is that Laff is blinded by
> his obsession with LANCE, so that he doesn't see
> entire categories:
> Things That Are Worse Than Lance, Things That
> Lance Is Not Responsible For, Things That Won't
> Go Away Even After Lance Is Abolished, and so on.
>
> Fredadvocate Ben

But it's seems like a fairly harmless hobby obsession, no different then
Laff going on TV to offer legal commentary on something like Larry King
during the OJ fiasco. Legal commentators are all over TV in all kinds of
issues and famous cases. Why would Laff be so different then some of those
folks? Some of those guys or women seem to have similar obsessions with
famous cases. Laff isn't going after Lance directly working with
investigators. He's just serving up the daily bread on rbr.

Maybe he's going to write a book someday, who knows!

Advocate or investigator, if he left, it wouldn't be long before you guys
would be calling him back to fill your plates!


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 2:56 pm
From: RicodJour


On Jul 15, 1:48 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to ride my bike like I did in the 80s and
> early 90s and not worry about getting crumpled under an SUV whose
> driver is tweeting about how some other jackass on a cell phone just
> cut him off.

That probably has more to do with you being a master
fathead...errr...fatty, sorry, and the inevitable realization with age
- you are not longer invulnerable.

The other possibility is that there are too many cars. Either move,
or give up yours to set a good example.

No need to thank me.

R


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:21 pm
From: Jimmy July


On 07/15/2010 10:48 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Jul 15, 11:47 am, Amit Ghosh<amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 14, 10:59 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime"<F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Laff provides insight without all the boorish overtones, and that's ok with
>>> me. I don't like the foul language used against Lance, its quite unnecessary
>>> but this stuff is going to go forward and people are going to be talking
>>> about it, so I would rather have a civil toned lawyer providing insight
>>> instead of a bunch of Boorish thugs. Like the other guy said for crying out
>>> loud, we are just reading text comments.
>>
>> dumbass,
>>
>> henry is right, lafferty is too emotional to be objective - any
>> analysis from him is nonsense.
>
> If anyone is 'emo' about LA it would be my false identity Anton.

So you've finally come out of the closet.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 1:20 pm
From: Uncle Dave


On Jul 15, 8:08 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <ffed06ac-bec6-4a65-b4ae-da938fe67...@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>  Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 14, 9:44 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <bc60c427-b0b4-40f2-b500-c5c427343...@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > >  Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jul 14, 9:56 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Jul 14, 9:25 am, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I've noticed this twice so far
>
> > > > > I think that Andy isn't under any pressure at the moment, and in a
> > > > > magnanimous display of team solidarity and gratitude, he's making a
> > > > > symbolic gesture to his teammates.  The peloton won't attack if he's
> > > > > back for water and his boys will bury themselves all that much more
> > > > > for him when the need arises.
>
> > > > > I know - it's so rare to see good sportsmanship being displayed from
> > > > > the top down that it's almost unrecognizable.
>
> > > > Why would the Peleton not attack?
>
> > > How can it? It does not exist.
> > > What is with the capitalization?
> > > Are we writing German,
> > > and I did not get the memorandum?
>
> > I think that should be "i the Memorandum did not getting"...
>
> Mein Auge Pickelhaube ist. Nein?

I don't weiss nicht.

UD

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 1:29 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<b6322fe9-a68f-4d48-966f-26ce7f8b48bc@d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Uncle Dave <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote:

> HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys. Not only did Renshaw deliver
> his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
> tell - making sure Farrar couldn't get through. WTF was Farra doing
> trying to go through the inside FFS? I know you yanks are nothing if
> not partisan at suporting your boys, but Garmin really don't have a
> clue at all in these sprints, leastwise not those that I've seen...

You deliberately ignore George Hincapie
when he was on Columbia last year.
Remember the chop block on Avenue des Champs-Élysées?

--
Old Fritz

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 1:47 pm
From: "i,fred"

"FrankdP" <...@000.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7RaOQH8UTE

Thanks for posting - Lance "I want blood thicker than a
quart of Prestone 10w30 that's been in the freezer for a
week" lmao

i,fred

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 1:51 pm
From: drmofe


...for getting a-head of Mark Renshaw...
...for getting in his face...

Capital job!


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 1:55 pm
From: "i,fred"

drmofe <stewart@wic.co.nz> wrote:
>....for getting a-head of Mark Renshaw...
>....for getting in his face...
>
>Capital job!

That was pretty cool. He's been around and doesn't
need to take heat from anyone.

i,fred


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 2:47 pm
From: Henry


On Jul 16, 8:55 am, "i,fred" <if...@th.org> wrote:
> drmofe <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
> >....for getting a-head of Mark Renshaw...
> >....for getting in his face...
>
> >Capital job!
>
> That was pretty cool. He's been around and doesn't
> need to take heat from anyone.
>
> i,fred

I'm disappointed local (NZ) media turning it into another Aussie v
kiwi thing.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 2:56 pm
From: Henry


On Jul 16, 8:51 am, drmofe <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
> ...for getting a-head of Mark Renshaw...
> ...for getting in his face...
>
> Capital job!

isn't a kudu a kind of antelope? or did I just get wooshed ?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 1:53 pm
From: "i,fred"

Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:
>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/11/sports/cycling/11climb.html
>
>Cyclists=92 Alpine Times May Hint at Past Doping
>By JULIET MACUR
>
>LES ROUSSES, France =97 When the riders in the Tour de France head
>into
>the Alps on Sunday, tackling the first high mountains of this year=92s
>race, all eyes will be on them. Stopwatches will be ticking.
>
>=93I think the simplest way to figure out if the sport is clean or
>not
>is to time some of the climbs,=94 said Jonathan Vaughters, the team
>director of Garmin-Transitions, who is an outspoken antidoping
>advocate. =93It=92s not an exact science, but it gives you an idea
>of
>what=92s going on. For me, it=92s something I pay attention to. I
>want to
>know whether I=92m wasting my time.=94
>
>Vaughters watched the Crit=E9rium du Dauphin=E9 in June and timed
>the
>defending Tour winner Alberto Contador as he raced up L=92Alpe d=92Huez,
>a
>route with 21 switchbacks and one of the legendary climbs in cycling.
>Vaughters looked at his stopwatch and was satisfied. =93It was about
>four minutes slower than the winning time in 2001,=94 he said. =93Ah,
>good.=94
>
>In most sports, progress is measured by advancement. Runners go faster
>on the track. Athletes strive to break records.
>
>But in cycling, a sport plagued by doping problems, some measure its
>progress in a different way: by how much it has regressed in terms
>of
>times on steep climbs, particularly since the 1990s and early 2000s,
>when doping was thought to be rampant.
>
>Though the exact starting point of the Alpe d=92Huez climb has changed
>slightly over the years, the Italian rider Marco Pantani still holds
>the record at 37 minutes 35 seconds, set in 1997, as well as three
>of
>the unofficial top five times. He made those climbs before a test
>for
>the blood booster EPO was available. At that time, some riders have
>said, top cyclists often used EPO to increase endurance.
>
>Riders with at least 7 of the unofficial top 16 times up L=92Alpe
>d=92Huez
>have tested positive, like Floyd Landis and Iban Mayo; have admitted
>to doping, like Bjarne Riis, Richard Virenque and Alex Z=FClle; or
>have
>been implicated in a doping scandal, like Jan Ullrich.
>
>Ullrich, the 1997 Tour winner, retired from the sport after being
>tied
>to a Spanish doping ring. His former coach, Rudy P=E9venage, was quoted
>by the French sports newspaper L=92=C9quipe last week saying that
>he had
>organized Ullrich=92s visits to a blood-doping doctor in Spain.
>
>Based on that history, it makes sense that some climbing times have
>slowed with the advent of tougher antidoping tests, said Aldo Sassi,
>an Italian exercise physiologist and longtime cycling coach who trains
>the riders Cadel Evans and Ivan Basso.
>
>=93The speeds are lower in the climbs because there is no doping now,
>or
>less doping, in my opinion,=94 Sassi said. =93If you look at Pantani=92s
>times, the power he produced was very close to 6.8 watts per kilo,
>and
>that is something no one can explain if you have physiological normal
>conditions for any athlete.=94
>
>Sassi, like nearly every top coach now, uses computers affixed to
>riders=92 bikes to determine how much power those riders are producing.
>Sassi said he could also calculate those numbers the old-fashioned
>way, with math.
>
>Over his decades in the sport, he has concluded that no rider can
>produce more than an average of 6.0 to 6.2 watts per kilogram of his
>weight over a ride of 30 to 40 minutes. In the power numbers he
>calculated from the 2009 Giro d=92Italia, Sassi found that only one
>top
>rider =97 Denis Menchov of Rabobank =97 produced more than 6.0 watts
>per
>kilogram on a climb, kicking out a 6.1. Yet a rider who was later
>suspended for doping at that race, Danilo DiLuca of Italy, was
>producing power on another climb at a rate much less than 6.0, Sassi
>said.
>
>=93There is always a gray area,=94 he said.
>
>Sassi said that determining the exact power-to-weight numbers for
>riders in the past was not easy because of the variables involved.
>He
>would need to know things like the length of the climb, the rate of
>ascent, the weight of the rider and bike, and the weather conditions.
>
>=93So for Pantani, for Armstrong, I=92m just not sure,=94 he said.
>
>Lance Armstrong, who is trying to win the Tour for the eighth time,
>holds two of the top four unofficial times up L=92Alpe d=92Huez. His
>team
>manager, Johan Bruyneel, said those fast times should not cast a
>shadow on Armstrong, who is under federal investigation for fraud
>and
>doping during the years he rode on the United States Postal Service
>team.
>
>One of Armstrong=92s top times up L=92Alpe d=92Huez was in the 2004
>time
>trial, when he went full bore up the mountain, with no race tactics
>in
>play or other riders to deal with. He finished in 37:36.
>
>=93There=92s no way you can measure one time against another,=94 Bruyneel
>said. =93If a rider is going full gas from the bottom, that=92s one
>thing.
>But most of the times, that wasn=92t the case. But that won=92t keep
>people from talking.=94
>
>Eyebrows were raised last year at the Tour when Contador sped up the
>Verbier climb, leaving other riders in his wake.
>
>He had zoomed to the top of a 5.5-mile ascent with a 7.5 percent
>average grade in just under 21 minutes, and he later refused to answer
>questions about how he had performed so well.
>
>Vaughters said it was possible to do without doping because it was
>a
>very short climb. But Greg LeMond, a three-time Tour winner, wrote
>in
>the French newspaper Le Monde that he was skeptical of the
>performance.
>
>=93There is something wrong,=94 LeMond wrote, likening Contador=92s
>performance to a Mercedes winning a Formula One race. =93It would
>be
>interesting to know what=92s under the hood.=94
>
>LeMond had performed calculations that showed that Contador=92s maximum
>oxygen intake in that climb was out of the realm of possibility. Some
>exercise physiologists agreed with him and his calculations. Others
>did not.
>
>The same debate arose when Landis won the now infamous Stage 17 of
>the
>2006 Tour. He crossed the finish line in Morzine, the same town
>hosting the finish Sunday, after an improbable solo breakaway that
>set
>him up for the victory. It was an effort so incredible some people
>thought it was too good to be true.
>
>And they were right. He later tested positive for testosterone on
>that
>day and was stripped of the Tour title.
>
>But his former trainer, Allen Lim, who now works for Armstrong=92s
>RadioShack team, said it was possible for Landis to have produced
>that
>performance. He said Landis had produced even more power over a longer
>ride during training.
>
>=93In and of itself, these racers are doing amazing, unbelievable
>things
>on a daily basis because they are already a tiny part of the
>population, a very small percentage of the world,=94 Lim said. =93They
>are
>already different. It=92s when a rider has no history of good
>performances, then has massive changes. Now that=92s when you should
>raise a red flag.=94
>
>There have been some discussions among exercise physiologists of
>testing individual athletes=92 peak performances to determine each
>one=92s
>peak power output and use it as a baseline to determine possible
>doping. Any future performances above that output would raise a red
>flag.
>
>But some say that would never work. The reasons behind amazing
>performances cannot necessarily be proved, they said. Sometimes, they
>just happen.
>
>=93When people are put into extreme situations, like when you see
>when
>people=92s kids are trapped beneath cars and they are able to lift
>up
>that car, they can go to unknown depths of human performance,=94 said
>Matt Parker, the head of marginal gains for Team Sky. =93Performances
>like that come out in sports once in a while, too. So when someone
>does something incredible, why not believe it?=94

Thanks for posting. I think this is more than just a gray area. While I agree
that it can work I just can't see how it would be enforced.

i,fred

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 1:53 pm
From: drmofe


On Jul 16, 7:11 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Note to Lance's attorney.  Lance was entitled to the stock as of the
> Fall of 2004 and acted in reliance thereon. He became a shareholder when

I'm presuming that the isue is if Lance was a shareholder prior to US
Postal pulling out as sponsor and there was institutionalized doping,
that US Govt money could have been used in the doping program?
Which then makes it Federal, and brings in DEA and RICO statutes?


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 2:59 pm
From: RicodJour


On Jul 15, 3:11 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Note to Lance's attorney.  Lance was entitled to the stock as of the
> Fall of 2004 and acted in reliance thereon.

Entitled - okay, sure. Acted in reliance...? Cite.

Everybody and their fookin' uncle knew OJ was guilty. Lawyers are
invidious and not to be trusted. You should know that. You should
know that you can't even trust your own opinion on anything, which,
for the record, is not an opinion but tumescence speaking for you.

R


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:19 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 7/15/2010 4:53 PM, drmofe wrote:
> On Jul 16, 7:11 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Note to Lance's attorney. Lance was entitled to the stock as of the
>> Fall of 2004 and acted in reliance thereon. He became a shareholder when
>
> I'm presuming that the isue is if Lance was a shareholder prior to US
> Postal pulling out as sponsor and there was institutionalized doping,
> that US Govt money could have been used in the doping program?
> Which then makes it Federal, and brings in DEA and RICO statutes?

We'll that's one issue. But, if Lance, Johan and Stapleton were in on
knowingly perpetrating a fraud along with Weisel, then Lance and friends
lack of a formal ownership interest would not shield them from fraud
indictments. RICO is a hard charge to make compared to mail and wire
fraud. I doubt the DEA will involve itself in this case.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 2:46 pm
From: Henry


<http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128490874>


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 2:52 pm
From: RicodJour


On Jul 15, 5:46 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128490874>

When people 'discuss' politics, their emotional centers light up -
they're not thinking rationally.

R


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 2:53 pm
From: Henry


On Jul 16, 9:52 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 5:46 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128490874>
>
> When people 'discuss' politics, their emotional centers light up -
> they're not thinking rationally.
>
> R

aka rbr trolls


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 2:56 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 15, 4:46 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128490874>

There are extremely high correlations between genetic predispostions
and ultimately political leanings.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080206091437.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/02/11/politics.genes/index.html


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 15 2010 3:18 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


Dude,

One of your defining personality characteristics is a complete
inability to accept that you might be wrong about something.
You are the Dunning-Kruger effect brought to life. Here you are
wrong about more than I have the time to point out.

But I am going to address this:

On 7/15/2010 12:55 PM, GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
>
> To you yeah, so what if he doped, although there is no proof he did yet, but
> yeah, what about all those cancer children he visited who see him as a big
> hero? They are not hardened kids, but kids who often hang onto sports heroes
> almost day by day, and some are completely obsessed wrapping their entire
> teenage lives around them. You ever see a teenager's room plastered with
> posters of their heroes? Look at all the kids who had cancer and saw Lance
> as their hero, and now they will be devastated to find out he's the biggest
> fake in the history of cycling, (if it's proven). Most kids are fragile, not
> hardened like the Grande Poobah who's been in rbr for 20 years.

You don't have anything going on in your life. That leaves a void
that you seek to fill with things that give you comfort. I get that.

A pediatric cancer patient is in the opposite situation. Their lives
are full and overflowing with stuff coming at them from many
directions. The stuff that you think is important to them is not on
the radar screen. Seriously, it is not. There isn't room. Your life
is empty, theirs are overflowing.

Check this out:
http://wjn.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/21/5/600

"Hopefulness and its Characteristics in Adolescents with Cancer"

That comes to mind because I know one of the authors. I'm not really
qualified to judge whether it's top notch work or not. But I do know
that having a sense that you can win the fight is a critical part of
the process. So if Lance shows up at the hospital and convinces kids
that this is a battle they can win, that matters. The stuff that you
think matters... well, it isn't even on the radar screen.

When you look at what livestrong does, you will see things that matter
to cancer patients. The stuff that you think really, really matters,
it doesn't matter. Cancer patients don't have the time or energy for
it.

Trust me on that.

Fred Flintstein


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