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[socialactionfoundationforequity:3637 International Conference on Life Skills Education on 08th - 10th December Invite for Paper presenter

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School of Life Skills Education, RGNIYD is organizing and
Internaitonal Conference on Life Skills Education on 8-10 Dec 2010.
Details are as follows:

BACKGROUND OF THE CONFERENCE
Education is a critical factor in nation building and is a continuous
process that aims to develop the capacities latent in human nature
which in turn fosters the progress of society. It is a powerful
instrument for achieving and sustaining economic growth, reducing
poverty and enhancing equity. Today we are living in a knowledge
driven society and education for the knowledge economy is to cultivate
the highly skilled, flexible human capital needed to compete in the
global markets. The universal challenge at this juncture is developing
human potential with the necessary skills that the twenty first
century demands. For this it is essential for each individual to learn
how to learn. As recommended by the Delor's Report of UNESCO,
advancing towards a Learning Society, is built upon the four pillars
of education i.e. Learning to know, Learning to be, Learning to Do and
Learning to live together which forms the basis of Life skills
education. The report also emphasized the concept of learning
throughout life which is the key to the twenty-first century. Many
countries have and are considering the development of life skills
education in response to reform traditional educational systems, which
seem to be in tandem with the realities of modern social and economic
life. Quality education is imperative, and required at all levels, be
it primary, secondary or higher education. Quality education calls for
using life-skills approach in education and Education for Sustainable
Development (ESD) calls for including life skills in reorienting
education to address sustainability. Education for Sustainable
Development, Quality Education and Life Skills Approach are
inextricably linked.
This Conference will facilitate to take stock off the current trends
in education and share the perspectives of life skills approach to
education and help to stimulate new thinking in the area of education
for the 21st century.
The Life Skills Approach refers to the interactive process of teaching
and learning which focuses on acquiring knowledge, attitudes and
skills which support behaviours that enable us to take greater
responsibility for our own lives; by making healthy life choices,
gaining greater resistance to negative pressures, and minimising
harmful behaviours. At its simplest, the life skills approach is
simply good interactive educational methodology which focuses on more
than just information. No doubt information is necessary, but not
sufficient to develop or change behaviors. Therefore to have an impact
on behaviour, information based approaches need to be combined with
attitudinal and interpersonal skills, known as 'life skills' which
would facilitate to enhance efforts to positively develop or change
behaviour, especially related to well being and healthy functioning in
society.

THEMES OF SESSIONS

T1. Life Skills Approach in Primary, Secondary and Higher Education
Primary Education
Secondary Education
University Education

T2. Life Skills Approach in Technical and Continuing Education
Professional Education
Adult Education
Technical/Vocational Education

T3. Life Skills and Health Education

T4. Life Skills for Inclusive Education
Special Education
Educating the underprivileged and marginalized groups
Open schooling and Distance Education

T5. Life skills for Enhancing Employability and competency

THEMES OF SYMPOSIA
S1 Life Skills for Social Inclusion
S2 Training Methodologies for Life Skills
S3 Life Skills for developing human capital

PANEL DISCUSSION
Theoretical Framework in Life Skills

SEMINAR
Impact of Mid-day Meal Scheme and School Health Programme on the
academic performance of the children

CALL FOR PAPERS
Papers are invited from the academicians, researchers, policy makers
and practitioners who are experts and have rich experience in this
field of Life Skills Education.

SUBMISSION OF ABSTRACT
Those who are interested in presenting papers are requested to submit
their abstract in the designated themes as mentioned above in about
500 words. The abstract should be submitted to the organizing
secretary in the electronic format. Abstract can also be submitted
online at www.rgniyd.gov.in

THE ABSTRACT FORMAT
The abstract should contain following components:
Title of the Abstract (Block Letters) followed by Name and Address of
the author(s), postal address and e-mail id on the top centre.
Title of the proposed Session Theme and Sub Theme must also be
mentioned along with the session number.
Text containing rationale and context, research strategy, findings/
discourse and conclusion.
Font size - 12
Font Type - Times New Roman Series
Line space -1.5
All abstracts must be saved as Theme No_Author Name_Brief Title of
paper ( Eg. T1_Rajesh_Primary Education through Life Skills
Approach.doc)
The last date for the submission of the
abstract is 08th September 2010.
Acceptance of the abstract will be
communicated to you on or before 20th September 2010

SUBMISSION OF FULL LENGTH PAPER
Acceptance of the abstract for paper presentation at the conference
will be the communicated to you by 20th September 2010. On the receipt
of the acceptance of the abstract, authors are requested to submit the
full length paper in about 15 to 20 pages in electronic format with
font size of 12 in New Times Roman Series with 1.5 line space.
The last date for the submission of full length papers is 20th
November 2010.

TRAVEL SUPPORT
Travel support will be extended to paper presenters only those who
submit the full length paper. Second or Third A/C train fares will be
provided as per eligibility. If the paper is co-authored, only one
person's TA will be reimbursed.

LOCAL HOSPITALITY
Local hospitality of all paper presenters will be taken care of by the
organizing committee. Boarding and lodging facilities (double sharing)
will be made available for all the days during conference.

REGISTRATION FEE
Academicians, Professionals & PractitionersRs. 1000/-
StudentsRs 200/-
Foreign Delegates$ 100/-

Registration fee must be paid in the form of Demand Draft drawn in
favour of The Director, Rajiv Gandhi National Institute of Youth
Development payable at Canara Bank, Sriperumbudur

REGISTRATION details please visit the http://www.rgniyd-ahdp.gov.in/LSE/Home.php

CONTACT DETAILS

Director of the Seminar
Dr. A. Radhakrishnan Nair
Head of the Deparment
School of Life Skills Education
& Social Harmony
RGNIYD University
Sriperumbudur - 602 105
Ph: 044 - 27163708
E-Mail :lse.rgniyd@gmail.com

Secretary of the Seminar
Mrs. Sunita Ranjan
Lecturer
School of Life Skills Education
& Social Harmony
RGNIYD University
Sriperumbudur - 602 105
Ph: 044 - 27163708
E-Mail :lse.rgniyd@gmail.com

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Today's topics:

* 5-Time Olympic gold medallist FRAAM - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5a68d38a42bfc560?hl=en
* Lemond Subpoenaed--the Trek Connection - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/45274c176a26fcb5?hl=en
* this is what drugs cheats look like - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/282338600374c10b?hl=en
* post-Tour-show w/Lance on FR2/3? LA accuses Lemond of doping in 1989 ! - 2
messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2976d4841ab59252?hl=en
* Wiggo feeling good today ? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b594a7534331450d?hl=en
* The tactics to date - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/de44e1193731785e?hl=en
* Anyone else sick of hearing these British announcers gush over riders from
the UK? - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1ce613963c24699f?hl=en
* Pre-court discussions? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0ec3e769514a57fd?hl=en
* LANCE ARMSTRONG Contemplates Retirement! But He's Still Not Telling! - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4d7e84a131b97f15?hl=en
* LeMond you dipshit - unless of course you intended to do this..... - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/53b9f65a0f5cde48?hl=en
* Lafferty was totally fucking wrong about Lance getting arrested in France! -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b76f57f21176d546?hl=en
* Greg LeMond interviewed by Jeff Novitzky - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/99e7e8ea191e620b?hl=en
* Stage 14 duel - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/874cc40151651a5f?hl=en
* The real contest we are following... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/738d9d184350fa2f?hl=en

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TOPIC: 5-Time Olympic gold medallist FRAAM
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5a68d38a42bfc560?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 4:50 pm
From: Henry


On Jul 19, 8:20 am, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr> wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1295528/Sir-Steve-Redgrave-...

the attributes that Sir S displays are not those valued by rbr
as I don't belong here, I'm allowed to call him a legend

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TOPIC: Lemond Subpoenaed--the Trek Connection
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/45274c176a26fcb5?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 5:03 pm
From: --D-y


On Jul 18, 12:16 pm, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:
> "B. Lafferty" a écrit profondement:
>
> | On 7/18/2010 11:40 AM, thirty-six wrote:
> | > On 18 July, 00:27, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> | >
> | >> Speed to maintain blood pressure to vital organs.  That's a new one.
> | >
> | > Amphetamine was the only drug connected with the death of T.Simpson,
> | > it is a stimulant, it raises heart rate and pressure.  Without water,
> | > what else was there in an attempt to support his life with thick
> | > blood?
>
> | He also had alcohol in his system which would have helped to dehydrate
> | him.  I saw a guy die of dehydration/heat stroke at one of the
> | Manufacturer's Hanover Corporate Challenge road races in 1991 from
> | dehydration. We got him to a hotel lobby and covered him in ice until
> | EMS arrived, but it didn't save him.  Scary.
>
> It was common practice way back when to down some brandy as it was
> (purportedly) good for the stomach.
>
> Also smoking a couple of cigarettes was believed to acclimatize one for
> the exhaust fumes etc. on the roads.
>
> And take it from Davey who grew up - cycling wise - with Simpson, he
> would never have taken more than 30mg of speed (amphetamines) because of
> the dangers of hallucinating.
>
> He simply rode his heart out. No wins since Paris-Nice a couple of years
> before I think, expiring contract and no prospective sponsor for the
> next season - not even an approach which then as now was common at the
> Tour.

The Fotheringham book has an episode detailing a Simpson drug
(amphetamine) buy. One buy was made for a season's supply, according
to this account by a witness, who I believe was a roomate (?; "read
the book, please").
From observation, not personal use, I understand that a little
ampetamine goes a long way, while "too much" makes it impossible to
work hard continuously in the heat (this from working construction
trades in Texas).

Again, "the rules" of Simpson's times forbade (IMS) more than two
bottles and handups/feeds were very limited, where allowed at all.
Which puts the "comical" scenes in 60's cycling movies-- is it "Stars
and Watercarriers", with Merckx at the Giro?-- where riders are
dipping in fountains, drinking dirty water, and raiding cafés for
"anything liquid" to drink (breakable glass bottles and all) into a
much more serious framework.
Note, the Fotheringham book also speaks of a couple of other incidents
where dehydrated riders collapsed but were saved from death. IOW, it
was not as if the strongest warnings were not plainly obvious.

Again, if I'm repeating: Simpson's body was reported to be dry when he
died. Meaning, no ability to sweat to cool himself off. "Heat stroke",
to use a common expression. Uncontrolled rise in body temperature
resulting in collapse and death.
Maybe the speed, even in a controlled dose, helped him push past what
might be called a "normal threshold" of suffering but that point is
perhaps moot, seeing that people in endurance events are known to
succumb to ingestion of too much water, as well as too little, and
post-mortems certainly do not always show "toxicity" (drugs). I'd
guess that Brian followed the most unfortunate case he mentioned?
--D-y

Human folly that Simpson's death could have benefitted athletes but as
a result of entrenched ignorance, it did not.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 5:14 pm
From: --D-y


On Jul 17, 8:22 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 17, 5:29 pm, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 17, 2:05 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > > Bad is a relative term here.  As long as it's within the bounds of the
> > > law, it's OK.
>
> > "Bad" like lying or causing others to lie. Withholding exculpatory
> > evidence. A long way short of nitpicking "technicalities" here.
>
> > >  Just like Herman can blow smoke for Armstrong as long as
> > > it's within the bounds of the law.
>
> > > To answer your question, not all that high a percentage.  My guess is
> > > that 99% percent of those convicted at trial are guilty.  The few that
> > > are not argue well for not having a death penalty.
>
> > Percentage is 100 when it happens to you. My "guess" is that there are
> > many, many false convictions because many don't have the resources to
> > fight back.
>
> > > It's a lousy choice, but it is still a choice.
>
> > Don't slip off that pedestal, Brian.
>
> > >  You can either cheat or
> > > not.  In the long run I have more respect for the guys like Hampsten who
> > > took their careers up the high road knowing the winnings would be fewer.
>
> > Me too. I also have another kind of respect for people who operate in
> > this evil world and win.
>
> > (Tommy Simpson's death)
>
> > > Fool,
>
> > If you read the Fotheringham book "Put Me Back on My Bike", you'd know
> > how wrong the rest of what you wrote is.
> > Rules limited bottle handups in order to "prevent cheating". That's
> > the (usual stupid human) irony, Brian.
>
> > > Simpson died because he was obsessed to win at all costs and
> > > pushed too close to the line of life and death. As to water, the
> > > primitive knowledge and superstitions of cyclist from that period are
> > > myriad.  Limiting water in hot weather was one of them.  Not playing
> > > golf in ones spare time was another.  Not taking your wool tights off
> > > until the temp hit 70 is another.  I could go on, but it's beside the
> > > point.
>
> > No, the point is, bad rules killed Tommy Simpson-- not "the dope".
> > Read the book-- his body was dry when he collapsed because he was
> > unable to sweat.
>
> > > You are full of shit, pure and simple.
>
> > Not at all full, Brian.
>
> > >  If the deck is stacked, it's
> > > because Lance and Co. stacked it themselves.
>
> > Clearly, I meant, for one example, that poor Greg and Kathy Lemond are
> > being made into sympathetic figures. "Dope hysteria".
> > Greg and Kathy will likely "be believed". Too bad for Lance because
> > there isn't an accurate recording of the exchange (the "phone call").
>
> > > And it isn't stacked from
> > > the government side.
>
> > Jesus. Novitsky puts balls in vices and then gets... the shining
> > truth? Or, what he wants to hear?
>
> > > The government has the power to criminally
> > > investigate which is something perps usually don't consider while
> > > planing and doing their acts.  Like virtually all perps, they think
> > > they'll never get caught. They're all rather stupid when it comes down
> > > to it.  And 99% still claim they're innocent after trial and conviction.
>
> > I don't agree that "virtually all", by any means, don't believe
> > they'll be caught. Having spent some hours riding and gabbing with a
> > person who worked on both sides of the legal fence, so to speak, it
> > seems many are locked into a way of life that includes lots of jail
> > time. Sad, isn't it?
>
> > > My understanding is that Novitsky has never been a prosecutor.  He was
> > > previously an investigator with the criminal division of the IRS.  If he
> > > was an AUSA or an ADA, please provide details.
>
> > That was just downright sloppy on my part. Forgive me.>
>
> > > Mad dogs are usually most effective on short leashes.
>
> > The pit bulls being used as "legal carry" offensive weapons are let
> > off leash, by my understanding.
>
> > > It's not his evidence to give back.  You're thinking it is serves to
> > > illustrate your ignorance of how the criminal legal system works.  The
> > > order directing return of materials, as I understand it, was directed by
> > > the court to the US Attorney and the agency in possession of the records.
>
> > Not my recollection of the story I read. Judge what's her name, heap-
> > big PO'd at Novitsky, by name. But, whatever.
>
> > > Might I suggest that you take a break for a while from typing for stupidity?
>
> > Sure. Might I suggest you get some professional help in dealing with
> > your Lance mania and nasty personal manner? Thanks!
> > --D-y
>
> Carry on --D-y, we've endured his biased stupidity for years. He's a
> dyed in the wool advocate of adversarial legal proceedings and applies
> this to his posting activity in rbr. If Lance falls, it will be due to
> a relatively small piece of irrefutable evidence and not due to the
> mountain of inferior tripe posted by Lafferty. Laf = Lance Armstrong
> fixation.

Thank you.
The unfairness of it bugs me. Speaking as one who lost innocence in
the fairly recent past <g>.
I mean, there was a writer for Inside who some several years ago found
a Dr. Gofast who put him on a regimen (the usual reported pharmacopeia
of PED's) and guess what, he performed much better even as an
"outpatient", so to speak, not someone who saw or was in contact with
the doc every day because he was making the big bucks in competitive
sports. Meaning, the rewards are great and it isn't difficult to find
the dope and someone who knows something about how to administer it,
even in the lower levels of sport. Meaning, "no wonder they're all
doping" <g>.
He's (Lafferty) sure not stupid. Mostly angry, as far as I can tell;
the point there is, most if not all dope or have doped, always.
Including the "heroes" of the past, but also the virgin angels who
(sorry!) might not always know what is in the "medicine" they are
given.

Too bad, there's no solution for this problem, including (as Lafferty
has proposed) putting the sport on ice for a few years. What happens
when one street drugs dealer is sent away?
--D-y


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 6:34 pm
From: Davey Crockett


--D-y a écrit profondement:

| The Fotheringham book has an episode detailing a Simpson drug
| (amphetamine) buy. One buy was made for a season's supply, according
| to this account by a witness, who I believe was a roomate (?; "read
| the book, please").

Fotheringham will write anything. And he's pretty clueless overall

I quit reading anything he wrote after one book had an illustration
photograph of Ockers, Van Steenbergen and Bobet (Louis) and had the
order all wrong. Not even one in the right order - and the year was
wrong too which was an easy one as the diminutive Ockers had a rainbow
jersey on his back emblazoned as was the custom at that time with
"Wereldkampioen"

--
The number of deaths among illegal immigrants crossing the Arizona
desert from Mexico is soaring so high this month that the medical
examiner's office is using a refrigerated truck to store some of them,
the chief examiner said Friday. Gee, what a dirty rotten shame. I
think I will cry me a big ole river ;)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 5:04 pm
From: Henry


On Jul 16, 9:16 pm, drmofe <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 11:09 am, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > and perform like.
> > the womens recordshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/800_metres_world_record_progressionhttp:...
>
> Interesting.  I hadn't looked at the 800m records for a while.
> As indicators of limits of human performance on the running track,
> 800m and 1500m records are pretty good metrics for speed-endurance.
> So it looks like 1:41 is the limit for men and 1:53 the limit for
> women, given that between 20 and 30 years of intense competition and
> improved training methods haven't shifted the marks by much in that
> time.
> Which gives fairly good indicator in terms of V)2 max and power to
> weight of where the physiological limits are.
> And if you wanted to go one step further than that - where you would
> need to position an athlete on the triangle of natural ability vs
> training method vs doping in order to surpass or approach that limit.

I saw a program years ago suggesting that in a couple of hundred years
with the known rate of improvement, women would overtake men in
athletics.
I have a notoriously bad memory, but the same program suggested 9:28
for the men's 100.
with all the dribble on rbr about doping - isn't Bolt's current world
record about 0.2 faster than Ben Johnsons 9.79 very short lived
record?

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TOPIC: post-Tour-show w/Lance on FR2/3? LA accuses Lemond of doping in 1989 !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/2976d4841ab59252?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 5:15 pm
From: Keith


On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:06:42 -0700, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:

>"I'm not at all, at all, zero percent worried" about the accusations from
>LeMond and Floyd.
>
[SNIP]
>
>It would be interesting to see a transcript of this show. It's still going
>on... is this going to be a full hour?

I watched it distractedly and even recorded it, started watching it
again but stopped as it was pretty pathetic...

One thing I remember is that he challenged Lemond to tell everyone
what he was doing in 1989, i.e. : "ok you're accusing me of doping but
you doped in 1989 to win the Tour" ...ironically the1989 runner up was
sitting next to him, but no one seemed interested by that attack
(maybe they didn't quite understand) and then they brought on Michel
Drucker, so I switched off the TV.

All this sucking is fine when you're dealing with the best man in the
race, when it's a has-been it's really pathetic.

PS - Are you in France or do you have a trick to watch FR2 from Ca ?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 6:40 pm
From: Davey Crockett


Keith a écrit profondement:

Do a ::
whois 212.99.20.130

--
When "Serve and Protect" becomes "Enforce and Intimidate"
Another Lying Cop
http://www.prisonplanet.com/video-lying-ny-cop-faces-prison-for-brutal-attack-on-cyclist.html

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TOPIC: Wiggo feeling good today ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b594a7534331450d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 5:27 pm
From: Keith


On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:45:20 +0200, Keith <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:47:39 +0200, Keith <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>It looked like it 10 minutes ago when he had his teammates lead the
>>peloton, now they all seem to have dropped back/off, what's up with
>>that strategy ?
>
>Unfortunately not, going from bad to worse...

So it was just a show :
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-admits-he-doesnt-have-the-form?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=news_headlines

Original title of the article was "Wiggins admits last year was a
fluke " as per my RSS Reader


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 5:47 pm
From: thirty-six


On 19 July, 01:27, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:45:20 +0200, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:47:39 +0200, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>It looked like it 10 minutes ago when he had his teammates lead the
> >>peloton, now they all seem to have dropped back/off, what's up with
> >>that strategy ?
>
> >Unfortunately not, going from bad to worse...
>
> So it was just a show :http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-admits-he-doesnt-have-the-for...
>
> Original title of the article was "Wiggins admits last year was a
> fluke " as per my RSS Reader

I've not followed it as close as I'd have liked, is Wiggo so clean he
wont take caffiene pills? These I believe are permitted and there is
a limit on blood analysis, but I doubt that a couple of pills is going
to trip an entry on the doper scorecard. It seems silly that if his
beliefs against amphetamine use and doping generally could have caused
him to exlude this simple and safe stimulant. I'd expect these to be
in common use for any difficult stages unless aided in some other,
less savoury way.

Flippin 'eck Brad, at least get some cold coffe in your drinks
bottles.
Not that I've directed that comment in the right place.

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TOPIC: The tactics to date
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/de44e1193731785e?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 5:49 pm
From: Keith


On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:52:47 +0100, S Perryman <a@a.net> wrote:

>I am wondering whether the Astana riding has opened the possibility of
>a new tactic on mountain stages. If you ride so hard way before the
>final climb, there is the notion of tiring everyone out so that when
>the final ascent is reached, no one is really in a state to start
>jumping around like pure climbers like to.
>
>What I am seeing seems to suggest this.
>Schleck was only able to take 10 seconds on Contador in the Alps.
>Contador only 10 seconds at Mende.
>And Menchovs' efforts today over the last few km only got him 10 seconds.
>
>
>Regards,
>Steven Perryman

All good points, but Mende was short and in Avoriaz and Bonascre the
attacks happened at the tail end, we'll see what happens tomorrow on
the last climb that is longer and harder, especially since AS has said
he'd go for it...


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 5:54 pm
From: Scott


On Jul 18, 6:49 pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:52:47 +0100, S Perryman <a...@a.net> wrote:
> >I am wondering whether the Astana riding has opened the possibility of
> >a new tactic on mountain stages. If you ride so hard way before the
> >final climb, there is the notion of tiring everyone out so that when
> >the final ascent is reached, no one is really in a state to start
> >jumping around like pure climbers like to.
>
> >What I am seeing seems to suggest this.
> >Schleck was only able to take 10 seconds on Contador in the Alps.
> >Contador only 10 seconds at Mende.
> >And Menchovs' efforts today over the last few km only got him 10 seconds.
>
> >Regards,
> >Steven Perryman
>
> All good points, but Mende was short and in Avoriaz and Bonascre the
> attacks happened at the tail end, we'll see what happens tomorrow on
> the last climb that is longer and harder, especially since AS has said
> he'd go for it...

I think it may also be important that the climb is followed by a
pretty long, technical descent, and so far it looks like AC descends
better than AS. If he gets even the slightest gap on him on the
climb, or even going over the top, he could easily put time into him
on the run-in to the finish.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 6:27 pm
From: Dumbass


On Jul 18, 11:52 am, S Perryman <a...@a.net> wrote:
> Not really sure to read what is going on.
>
> 1. Astana
>
> Astana are demonstrating that they have the strongest team in the
> mountains. And they are more than capable of riding down any
> attempt in the mountains for a GC contender to try and escape.
>
> But IMHO they don't need to demonstrate it daily.
>
> Riding at that tempo and not waiting til the last climb has had the
> effect of dumping other GC contenders (Liquigas the victims today) .

Astana's tactics were stupid on Stage 14. Vino wore himself out
leading all the 3/4 contenders up the mountain. He should have
stayed back with Contador, or lead a train with Contador behind him.

Letting the rider that is #3 in the GC gain time just increases the
possibility of
senarios where Contador loses the race.

There may be more racing among the 3/4 contendors. Astana should make
them
do the work.

>
> Tis interesting that Sean Kelly in the UK press queried the notion of
> needing team mates with you on the last climb, contending that you
> can only ride at your own pace, and having team mates there is not
> really going to help.
>
> 2. Contador
>
> He does not appear to be at his best in the mountains, but he is
> getting by.
>
> 3. Schleck
>
> Does not look like he knows what to do, alone or with his team, to
> sort out Contador.
>
> I am wondering whether the Astana riding has opened the possibility of
> a new tactic on mountain stages. If you ride so hard way before the
> final climb, there is the notion of tiring everyone out so that when
> the final ascent is reached, no one is really in a state to start
> jumping around like pure climbers like to.
>
> And those who really aren't race-fit (Wiggins etc) get dumped way before
> then.
>
> What I am seeing seems to suggest this.
> Schleck was only able to take 10 seconds on Contador in the Alps.
> Contador only 10 seconds at Mende.
> And Menchovs' efforts today over the last few km only got him 10 seconds.
>
> Regards,
> Steven Perryman

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 7:07 pm
From: NoDannyNo


On Jul 18, 9:27 pm, Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Letting the rider that is #3 in the GC gain time just increases the
> possibility of
> senarios where Contador loses the race.

I thought it was an interesting move by AC-- trying to force Schleck
into chasing Menchov who is pretty strong in the ITT and could
potentially take over 2nd place.


==============================================================================
TOPIC: Anyone else sick of hearing these British announcers gush over riders
from the UK?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1ce613963c24699f?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 5:54 pm
From: Andre


On Jul 18, 7:40 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 19, 9:09 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 18, 4:33 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > It's pathetic really.  The Eurosport guys act as if some one from the
> > > UK will actually have a meaningful impact in the tour all the way to
> > > Phil Ligget's obvious homo-erotic man crushes on the Manx Missile,
> > > Millar and Wiggins.
>
> > You don't suppose it's because the UK, being the only country in
> > Europe where English is the native language, provides the bulk of
> > their audience?  Or that the commentator and link guy are both
> > English?  Maybe?  Woddya think?  If you don't like it, watch another
> > channel, or switch to another language.  Do they still do that on
> > Eurosport in Europe - have several languages available?  Probably
> > not.  Anyway, they're Brits FFS and - until they sent it out to the
> > world this year - the coverage was aimed at the UK and the odd sad
> > sack watching in other countries.  Like I used to.  Sheesh.  Partisan
> > commentators.  Who'd a thunk it?
>
> > I thought you were a man of the world an' all...
>
> > UD
>
> don't feed the trolls.

It's not only England; they drool over any cyclist who speaks English:
Australians, Americans, South Africans, even Canadians.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 5:56 pm
From: MyPostingID


On Jul 18, 8:54 pm, Andre <orade...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 7:40 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 19, 9:09 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 18, 4:33 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > It's pathetic really.  The Eurosport guys act as if some one from the
> > > > UK will actually have a meaningful impact in the tour all the way to
> > > > Phil Ligget's obvious homo-erotic man crushes on the Manx Missile,
> > > > Millar and Wiggins.
>
> > > You don't suppose it's because the UK, being the only country in
> > > Europe where English is the native language, provides the bulk of
> > > their audience?  Or that the commentator and link guy are both
> > > English?  Maybe?  Woddya think?  If you don't like it, watch another
> > > channel, or switch to another language.  Do they still do that on
> > > Eurosport in Europe - have several languages available?  Probably
> > > not.  Anyway, they're Brits FFS and - until they sent it out to the
> > > world this year - the coverage was aimed at the UK and the odd sad
> > > sack watching in other countries.  Like I used to.  Sheesh.  Partisan
> > > commentators.  Who'd a thunk it?
>
> > > I thought you were a man of the world an' all...
>
> > > UD
>
> > don't feed the trolls.
>
> It's not only England; they drool over any cyclist who speaks English:
> Australians, Americans, South Africans, even Canadians.

I really don't see it, myself.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 6:14 pm
From: Dumbass


On Jul 18, 8:54 pm, Andre <orade...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 7:40 pm, Henry <snogfest_hosebe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 19, 9:09 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 18, 4:33 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > It's pathetic really.  The Eurosport guys act as if some one from the
> > > > UK will actually have a meaningful impact in the tour all the way to
> > > > Phil Ligget's obvious homo-erotic man crushes on the Manx Missile,
> > > > Millar and Wiggins.
>
> > > You don't suppose it's because the UK, being the only country in
> > > Europe where English is the native language, provides the bulk of
> > > their audience?  Or that the commentator and link guy are both
> > > English?  Maybe?  Woddya think?  If you don't like it, watch another
> > > channel, or switch to another language.  Do they still do that on
> > > Eurosport in Europe - have several languages available?  Probably
> > > not.  Anyway, they're Brits FFS and - until they sent it out to the
> > > world this year - the coverage was aimed at the UK and the odd sad
> > > sack watching in other countries.  Like I used to.  Sheesh.  Partisan
> > > commentators.  Who'd a thunk it?
>
> > > I thought you were a man of the world an' all...
>
> > > UD
>
> > don't feed the trolls.
>
> It's not only England; they drool over any cyclist who speaks English:
> Australians, Americans, South Africans, even Canadians.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Cav is the only racer left from an English speaking country worth
mentioning.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 6:19 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 18, 2:15 pm, Bob Martin <bob.mar...@excite.com> wrote:
> in 322777 20100718 163324 Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >It's pathetic really.  The Eurosport guys act as if some one from the
> >UK will actually have a meaningful impact in the tour all the way to
> >Phil Ligget's obvious homo-erotic man crushes on the Manx Missile,
> >Millar and Wiggins.
>
> >Liggett loves Millar the most but he wouldn't mind a little manx
> >missle meat.
>
> >It's god damn disturbing to hear grown men carry on this way so
> >publicly.
>
> Don't suppose the US commentators ever gushed over Lance?  ;-)

Yeah and it was disgusting too. They were still fawning over Lance
until he told them not to

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Pre-court discussions?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0ec3e769514a57fd?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 5:56 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 7/18/2010 6:31 PM, ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
> On Jul 18, 1:17 pm, CowPunk<cowpun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 70 Lance Armstrong (USA) Team Radioshack
>> 71 George Hincapie (USA) BMC Racing Team
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> How awesome would it be if Novitsky has some wires in the peloton?
>
> -rj
Not likely. Phone, txt, email and other electronic surveillance,
possible, even likely.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 7:51 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Jul 18, 6:28 pm, "Kurgan Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "ronaldo_jeremiah" <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e123a623-bda1-4b63-b383-7ec09cade8a2@t10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 18, 1:17 pm, CowPunk <cowpun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 70 Lance Armstrong (USA) Team Radioshack
> > 71 George Hincapie (USA) BMC Racing Team
>
> :: Dumbass -
> ::
> :: How awesome would it be if Novitsky has some wires in the peloton?
>
> Dumbass -
>
> That's a bit of a fantasy. The race is in another country.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Dumbass -

Of course it is a fantasy. Fantasies are, by their nature, awesome.

-rj

==============================================================================
TOPIC: LANCE ARMSTRONG Contemplates Retirement! But He's Still Not Telling!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4d7e84a131b97f15?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 6:13 pm
From: thirty-six


On 2 July, 19:20, Peeter <kink...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As he nears the end, maybe a lot of reflective people have stopped
> buying into Lance's concocted-by-an-agent-for-a-heartening-money-
> making-miraculous "cancer cure"story.
>
> "CANCER"+STEROIDS = $
>
> Look you sports dupes. It doesn't take the brains of an ashtray to
> deduce that if Armstrong's stage 4 bodywide cancer recovery was free
> of fiction, his every physiological and cellular aspect would have
> been studied and scrutinized by researchers to the Nth-degree to
> determine if his recovery path could be replicated in/by other
> seriously ill patients.
>
> Of course, THAT route would have required long-term, in-depth BLOOD
> exams and analyses, wouldn't it?
>
> ============
> "Lance Armstrong still a contender entering his final Tour de France"
>
> By Jon Brand
> Saturday, July 3, 2010;
>
> PARIS -- Lance Armstrong won't let anyone forget: 38 years old is
> ancient in the cycling world.
>
> Over the last few weeks, the seven-time Tour de France champion has
> been trying to soften up rivals with comments through the media about
> his elderly status, going as far to say in mid-June that this year's
> Tour, set to start Saturday in Rotterdam, "will be very hard with my
> age."
>
> And on Monday the Twitter-obsessed Texan used his favorite medium to
> announce that this Tour de France, his 13th, would be his last.
>
> "It's been a great ride," he tweeted. "Looking forward to a great 3
> weeks."
>
> This will be no sentimental victory lap for Armstrong, who un-retired
> in 2009 after a three-and-a-half year absence from the sport, then
> rode to third place at the Tour last July. His recent podium finishes
> at the Tours of Switzerland and Luxembourg have shown him to be in top
> form heading into this year's Grand Boucle, and he is again favored to
> be wearing the yellow jersey in Paris three weeks from now.
>
> But Armstrong does have ample reason to want out of the saddle for
> good.
>
> Physical injuries have interrupted his comeback numerous times. Last
> year, he suffered a broken collarbone at the Vuelta Castilla y León
> and missed most of May's Giro d'Italia. This season, his woes
> continued in April, when he contracted a stomach virus during the
> Circuit de la Sarthe in France's Loire Valley. In May's Tour of
> California, he crashed out of the race in the fifth stage.
>
> The Tour of California also brought off-bike headaches when former
> U.S. Postal teammate Floyd Landis accused Armstrong, along with other
> top American riders, of having used performance-enhancing drugs.
>
> Landis, stripped of the 2006 Tour de France title for a positive
> doping result, also admitted to doping during his career in a series
> of emails to cycling officials. Though Armstrong said "he had nothing
> to hide" and questioned Landis' credibility in a news conference
> following the accusations, his career is once again under scrutiny.
>
> Earlier this week, the New York Times reported that Food and Drug
> Administration agent Jeff Novitzky, the lead investigator in the BALCO
> steroids case, has started a federal investigation into the matter.
> Nothing will be resolved by the end of the Tour de France, though,
> when Armstrong's new RadioShack team hopes to have delivered him to a
> record-setting eighth career victory.
>
> After relinquishing the spotlight last season on Team Astana to
> eventual Tour winner Spaniard Alberto Contador, Armstrong is the
> undisputed lead rider on a team comprised mostly of experienced
> veterans, including American Levi Leipheimer and German Andreas
> Klöden.
>
> "We have one of the strongest, one of the best teams," Armstrong said
> during the Tour of Switzerland. "I don't think any of us go in as a
> favorite for the Tour, but between the three of us, you never know."
>
> The favorite, like last year, is the two-time winner Contador. He had
> a strong spring, with significant wins at Paris-Nice and the Vuelta
> Castilla y León. Supported by an Astana squad that includes Kazakh
> Alexander Vinokourov, back from of a two-year doping suspension, the
> 27-year old Contador is ready to conquer a Pyrénées-heavy course
> tailor-made to his climbing abilities.
>
> "There are more mountains than last year, and that's something that
> really pleases me," Contador told the French newspaper L'Équipe
> Wednesday.
>
> There are others who have the skill to take control of the race,
> including Team BMC's Cadel Evans, the defending world champion, Saxo
> Bank's Andy Schleck and American Christian Vande Velde, a veteran
> rider for Garmin-Transitions who is on the mend after a crash in May's
> Giro d'Italia.Because there are so many challengers this year,
> Contador, like Armstrong, is playing down expectations.
>
> "I understand that I am the big favorite," he told Dutch newspaper De
> Telegraaf this week. "But realistically it is more likely that I will
> lose than win."
>
> As is the case each July, all of the on-bike intrigue could be for
> naught if there's a doping scandal. To that end, Tour organizers and
> the Union Cycliste International, cycling's governing body, have
> enlisted the help of the World Anti-Doping Agency to oversee drug
> controls this year.
>
> They'll also be wary of mechanical tampering after a bizarre
> allegation that Swiss star Fabian Cancellara used a small internal
> motor on his bike to power away from the competition in two spring
> races. No investigation was undertaken, though Tour organizers are
> certain that motorized bikes exist.
>
> "What matters is [they] can't be used tomorrow," Tour director
> Christian Prudhomme told AFP. "We will verify anytime, anywhere on the
> course . . . to see if these bikes are really just bikes."
>
> With these measures in place, organizers hope the only attraction this
> month is a tightly-contested race throughout the 2,263-mile course.
> That -- and the chance to see Armstrong competing at the highest level
> of the sport one last time.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/02/AR201...

You obviously dont get the joke, 'Lance Armstrong' was a fictional
cartoon character which went bad. The original description involved a
knight in shining armour being being molested by a voluptuous young
maiden, but the character was trashed as perusal of the story boards
made it obvious that censoship would mean that national broadcast
coverage would be nigh impossible. So rather than rather wholesome
stories originally intended, the character, without the creators
permission, decided to take his superhero powers and create his own
story. His designation as a superhero meant he was able to do this
should he become abandoned by the storyteller. Superheros are
obsessed with finding fame, and this one was quick to learn that sport
(of which was blessed through design) could bring him this fame which
all superheros crave.
There are some basic books giving an outline of the superhero, but
be creful with the salt, you'll need a couple of gallons a day to wash
it all through.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: LeMond you dipshit - unless of course you intended to do this.....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/53b9f65a0f5cde48?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 6:24 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 7/18/2010 5:34 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> With all the light on Armstrong you and your pal will have to
> testify. I hope you weren't blowing smoke.
>
> Armstrong may have hurt his head if this is really where is thinking
> is at these days.
>
> http://msn.foxsports.com/cycling/story/Armstrong-LeMond-claim-about-payoff-is-nonsense-23739943
>
> AX-3 DOMAINES, France (AP)
>
> Lance Armstrong dismissed as "nonsense" a reported claim by Greg
> LeMond that the seven-time Tour de France champion tried to pay
> someone $300,000 to say LeMond used a banned drug.
>
> LeMond, a three-time Tour de France champion, told the German
> newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung's weekend issue that Armstrong tried to
> implicate him "by all means" in a scandal involving EPO, a performance
> enhancer.
>
> LeMond refused to reveal the identity of the person who was allegedly
> offered money by Armstrong, saying he still works in cycling.
>
> Armstrong dismissed the accusation after Sunday's 14th stage of the
> Tour.
>
> "That's absolutely nonsense — $300,000?" Armstrong said, when asked by
> The Associated Press about the allegations. "Come on. I know (about
> the report). But he says a lot."
>
> "That's just another thing," he said, alluding to years of antagonism
> between the two American Tour champions.
>
> According to a report Friday in the Daily News of New York, LeMond has
> been served with a grand jury subpoena as part of a federal
> investigation of possible fraud and doping charges against Armstrong
> and his associates.
>
> The federal investigation was spurred by accusations by Floyd Landis,
> a former teammate of Armstrong's on the US Postal team, in a series of
> emails sent to cycling and doping officials this spring.
>
> Landis, who was stripped of his 2006 Tour title for doping, said the
> use of banned substances was common on the team. Armstrong has denied
> those allegations and has questioned Landis' credibility.

Curiouser and curiouser.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Lafferty was totally fucking wrong about Lance getting arrested in
France!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b76f57f21176d546?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 7:18 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> Fred Flintstein wrote:
>
>> You don't have anything going on in your life. That leaves a void
>> that you seek to fill with things that give you comfort. I get that.
>
> Poobah,
>
> I've probably been to more places worldwide in one year then you have in
> your whole entire pathetic existence in rbr. Internet is mobile with laptops
> and hookups worldwide almost anywhere in any country. I'm not stuck in Cali
> like you think and I don't spend all my off time spewing dribble in rbr like
> you. There is no void already having several careers before I even entered
> the World Wide Web. I pursue the things I enjoy now, correct, as do most
> people. With the number of forums out there, even Kunich finally figured
> that one out. Guess you haven't. You need to get out more, like to other
> forums since you can't afford to travel and see the world.

You're really thin skinned too.

Fred Flintstein

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TOPIC: Greg LeMond interviewed by Jeff Novitzky
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/99e7e8ea191e620b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 7:46 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Magill--- er uh Frankie was busy in France with Lance and Tyler and
had me chronicle the LeMond testimony.

It's not going that well prior to the lunch break ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWMm5x1fF6c


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TOPIC: Stage 14 duel
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/874cc40151651a5f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 7:52 pm
From: Michael Press

I enjoyed the duel between Contador and Schleck. Not
only were they testing each others legs, they were
playing a mind game. How much time are you willing to
give up to the others? All you kvetchers will be
wizened geezers boring your grandchildren how you
watched Contador and Schleck doing trackstands on the
Ax-3 Domaines slopes.

--
Michael Press

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TOPIC: The real contest we are following...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/738d9d184350fa2f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 18 2010 8:04 pm
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"


On Jul 18, 8:56 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> Troll.

that's good. funniest thing you've posted here in a while. even if
not intentional.

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