Thursday, July 22, 2010

rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 7 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Unhappy - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3e25615e6cc1c98d?hl=en
* Contador - How To Obtain Patron Status - 6 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0e64373d57f760b6?hl=en
* Lance, Tyler "the Bull," and Nightline - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1a40db22e404c2ae?hl=en
* Has Menchov got a good chance to podium? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/33ccac702d116e5a?hl=en
* Armstrong Retains Criminal Counsel - 7 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/795e561c0d49f62b?hl=en
* so that is that - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6c28d68015964cb9?hl=en
* Isn't making false charges a felony? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/00d25b4a59c12223?hl=en

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TOPIC: Unhappy
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3e25615e6cc1c98d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 4:23 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 7/22/2010 6:51 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Jul 22, 4:18 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 7/22/2010 2:50 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:> Apparently you can fix the Christian problem with a hair dryer.
>>
>>> http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/atheists-conduct-de-baptisms/story?id...
>>
>> Thank you and God Bless you for posting that link. :-)
>
> So you're really out for Armstrong not because he's a doper but
> because he's an atheist???
>

The real agenda is this. The Feds want to bring Lance in to blow dry
him. Novitsky thinks 1800 watts will make Lance sing.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 6:02 pm
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"


speaking of unhappy ...

LemonD, dude, give it up already. 1985 was like 25 years ago. You're
like Uncle Rico.

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TOPIC: Contador - How To Obtain Patron Status
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0e64373d57f760b6?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 4:33 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Jul 22, 3:37 am, S Perryman <a...@a.net> wrote:

>
> A more Hinault-esque gesture IMHO would be to ride the TT like a beast and
> put hours into Schleck. Then stop at the line, wait 41 seconds, and
> then push the front wheel across.
>
> There is your 41 seconds. What good is it to you ??

You must talking about Sebastien Hinault. Cause the Badger would not
have done it like that; too showy. At the post-chaingate press
conference Bernie would've pointed out how lame it is to unship one's
chain, and pointed out that getting knocked off your bike a few Ks
from the finish line is no excuse not to win. Then, he'd say that
it's all academic anyway, because I'm going to win the TT by three
minutes. And then he'd win the stage by three minutes.

Further, how is it cool to stop short of the line after you have the
win cinched? There's no proof you were prepared to sacrifice the time
from the start.

-rj


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 4:37 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Jul 22, 11:55 am, S Perryman <a...@a.net> wrote:

>
> And Hinault could be quite cruel indeed at times.
>

Please tell us - which times?

The only people I've ever seen Hinault be "cruel" towards are
pantywaist commie protestors who dared to block him from doing his own
job, and I wouldn't consider that cruelty.

-rj


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 8:10 pm
From: Michael Press


In article
<dbbd392f-758d-4da7-af74-feb4a3743259@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 22, 4:37 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >  RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Either you respect the jersey and give the wearer a sporting chance,
> > > or not.
> >
> > Not.
>
> Honor is not something that you take on and off like a coat, Dumbass.
> Lack of honor (doping) is what has brought cycling to its present
> state of affairs.
> Viewing honor as optional reduces sport to business - a nasty
> business.

It is optional. You are dreaming.

--
Michael Press


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 8:15 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<f62aa6ef-51a5-4982-b000-ab5798aa4cf0@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 22, 6:49 pm, NoDannyNo <riggodee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 22, 4:43 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Viewing honor as optional reduces sport to business - a nasty
> > > business.
> >
> > Which, of course, it is.
>
> And everybody lies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>
> It still comes down to individuals making individual decisions, one at
> a time.

As you just said, it is optional.

--
Old Fritz


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 9:00 pm
From: RicodJour


On Jul 22, 11:10 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>  RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 22, 4:37 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > >  RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Either you respect the jersey and give the wearer a sporting chance,
> > > > or not.
>
> > > Not.
>
> > Honor is not something that you take on and off like a coat, Dumbass.
> > Lack of honor (doping) is what has brought cycling to its present
> > state of affairs.
> > Viewing honor as optional reduces sport to business - a nasty
> > business.
>
> It is optional. You are dreaming.

Any choice is optional. I've picked up a $100 bill and handed it to a
guy who never realized he dropped it. Would I do that every single
time? As you say, it's optional, but I'd like to think I would.

R


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 9:01 pm
From: RicodJour


On Jul 22, 11:15 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <f62aa6ef-51a5-4982-b000-ab5798aa4...@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 22, 6:49 pm, NoDannyNo <riggodee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 22, 4:43 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Viewing honor as optional reduces sport to business - a nasty
> > > > business.
>
> > > Which, of course, it is.
>
> > And everybody lies.  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>
> > It still comes down to individuals making individual decisions, one at
> > a time.
>
> As you just said, it is optional.

Correct. If it weren't, it would be a law.

R

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TOPIC: Lance, Tyler "the Bull," and Nightline
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1a40db22e404c2ae?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 4:53 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 7/22/2010 7:16 PM, blazing_saddles wrote:
> This is getting to be too much fun.
;-)


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 8:02 pm
From: LawBoy01


On Jul 22, 6:53 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 7/22/2010 7:16 PM, blazing_saddles wrote:> This is getting to be too much fun.
>
> ;-)

Another thread about the same shit you talked about in an earlier
thread? Dude, you need some pussy.

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TOPIC: Has Menchov got a good chance to podium?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/33ccac702d116e5a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 6:23 pm
From: TheCoz


Really don't know much about Samuel Sánchez Gonzalez but I would
think Menchove can TT better of the two.
Coz


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 6:28 pm
From: Superfly TNT


On Jul 22, 6:23 pm, TheCoz <cycled...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Really don't know much about  Samuel Sánchez Gonzalez but I would
> think Menchove can TT better of the two.
> Coz


Sanchez's crash today will decide his result tomorrow.

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TOPIC: Armstrong Retains Criminal Counsel
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/795e561c0d49f62b?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 6:42 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"LawBoy01" <philip@pwm-law.com> wrote in message
news:90b2abf6-497b-4763-98f6-117a29e81e24@d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...


:: And yes, I think Lemond has B.S. motives.

Dumbass -

Does he ever.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 6:43 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:-KOdnTSbmPy9WNXRnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
:: >
: > Rememeber when you jacked me for allegedly making a personal attack on
: > you? Well, old washed up wanna be, I still practice law and deal
: > quite often with DAs as part of my family law practice.
:
: You have my sincere condolences if you are still practicing law. I did
: that, got the tee shirt and moved on.


Dumbass -

Lawboy's analysis is far more insightful than yours by 100 times.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 7:40 pm
From: Patrick Kehoe


On Jul 22, 11:20 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Patrick - Livestrong is a sham.  Read up about it.

I'm not talking about 'realities'... the US sporting media/it's meta-
narrative on Armstrong as thee knight of his age in sports... this
macro-perception has a lot of 'investors' with respect to big time
sports journalists, etc... it's one thing to take down Barry Bonds or
Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong is a transcendent American sporting
figure with various forms of insulation... and I say this as a non-
American and NOT a fan of Lance Armstrong... so, taking him down via
legal scandal is really going to be a major sea change with regards to
how he's been 'treated', characterized, knighted, lauded and admired
across a spectrum of influential figures in sports and media for a
decade...

Having said ALL that, there's always the possibility of the smoking
gun in public life :))))))

P

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 7:57 pm
From: LawBoy01


On Jul 22, 3:58 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 22, 2:58 pm, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 22, 1:19 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 22, 11:50 am, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 22, 11:12 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I'd be prepared to be surprised, if I were you.
>
> > > > You don't know anything that I don't know.  You just hope that Lance
> > > > goes down like a turd in whipped cream, and I am just doubtful than
> > > > anything will come of the Lemond-Trek documents because you would have
> > > > heard about them already.
>
> > > > > It's difficult to say what Lemond has to offer that is solid in an
> > > > > evidential sense.  If he can produce an affidavit from someone
> > > > > supporting the claim that Armstrong threatened to pay a person or
> > > > > persons to accuse Lemond of using EPO, that would go to the issue of
> > > > > intimidating a critic and possible witness against him in furtherance of
> > > > > a scheme to defraud.
>
> > > > Come on, Brian.  Lemond doesn't want to testify.  Yesterday, and
> > > > before today's statment that the subpoena was only for documents and
> > > > not testimony, Lemond said that he didn't know if he would testify.
> > > > Lemond also refused to give up the name of the guy who allegedly was
> > > > paid a bribe.  The affidavit that you want to see  would be all over
> > > > the news if it existed.  If it ever does surface, remember that truth
> > > > is also a defense to bribery.  In other words, if this guy who
> > > > Armstrong allegedly bribed and is still in cycling was worried about
> > > > his livelihood if he came out and told the "truth" about Lemond in the
> > > > '89 TdF (I have no opinion on this either way), and there's credible
> > > > evidence that the intent of the alleged 300k offer was to minimize the
> > > > burden on the Truth Teller should he have the courage to come clean,
> > > > then the "bribery" charges have no merit.  In that same vein, Lemond
> > > > would look guilty as hell,.
>
> > > > > If this gets to trial, my feeling is that Landis is going to look very
> > > > > good if there is corroboration.  
>
> > > > We agree on something.
>
> > > > >The question in my mind is who the AUSA
> > > > > is really after.  Would he cut a deal with Armstrong and Johan to nail
> > > > > Thom and perhaps someone high in USACycling, like Och?  I don't know.
>
> > > > Now you are wildly speculating.
>
> > > Lawboy - you're being a sucker now.  LeMond spoke about the $300k so
> > > he would be COMPELLED to divulge the truth.  How would Novitcky know
> > > to ask him the question unless LeMond hand fed it to him.
>
> > > And you call yourself a lawyer....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Oh, forgot you have a crystal ball.  I should use you for jury
> > selection.
>
> In chess, life and even a god damn texas courtroom full of shit
> kicking hayseeds you have to think ahead as well as see the root cause
> of someone's motivations.
>
> Why else would LeMond let this out?  I really am shocked at the idea
> you're a lawyer.  Were you on the debate team in high school because
> you seem like a master-debater.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Anton,

Lemond, like all legendary cyclists, is a fucked in the head insecure
asshole. Period. You have to be at that level. As soon as Lance
equaled Lemond in the TdF win category, Lemond started this shit and
not a minute before. You don't find it quesitonable that Lemond is
paying Landis' attorney's fees and that Landis has hired Lemond's old
law firm from the Trek lawsuit? If not, you are naive. Lemond gets
his money and without violating a confidentiality agreement gets to
try his claims against Armstrong again. And he gets to use Trek's
money to do it. Lemond in his eyes is the only cyclist who won
without doping. He should have won every TdF since he became pro.
It's all about V02 max, stupid. Didn't you know?


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 8:21 pm
From: LawBoy01


On Jul 22, 5:34 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> I have no function.  

Yet, you're still a tool.

>That said, I'm enjoying watching the truth finally begin to come out.  

Why don't we just have you convict him, Brian? I mean, you know what
so many people have never been able to prove.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 10:16 pm
From: Anton Berlin

>
> Having said ALL that, there's always the possibility of the smoking
> gun in public life :))))))
>
> P

In Armstrong's case it's the snorting strippers and the dripping iv
needle


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 10:17 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Jul 22, 9:57 pm, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
> On Jul 22, 3:58 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 22, 2:58 pm, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 22, 1:19 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 22, 11:50 am, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 22, 11:12 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I'd be prepared to be surprised, if I were you.
>
> > > > > You don't know anything that I don't know.  You just hope that Lance
> > > > > goes down like a turd in whipped cream, and I am just doubtful than
> > > > > anything will come of the Lemond-Trek documents because you would have
> > > > > heard about them already.
>
> > > > > > It's difficult to say what Lemond has to offer that is solid in an
> > > > > > evidential sense.  If he can produce an affidavit from someone
> > > > > > supporting the claim that Armstrong threatened to pay a person or
> > > > > > persons to accuse Lemond of using EPO, that would go to the issue of
> > > > > > intimidating a critic and possible witness against him in furtherance of
> > > > > > a scheme to defraud.
>
> > > > > Come on, Brian.  Lemond doesn't want to testify.  Yesterday, and
> > > > > before today's statment that the subpoena was only for documents and
> > > > > not testimony, Lemond said that he didn't know if he would testify.
> > > > > Lemond also refused to give up the name of the guy who allegedly was
> > > > > paid a bribe.  The affidavit that you want to see  would be all over
> > > > > the news if it existed.  If it ever does surface, remember that truth
> > > > > is also a defense to bribery.  In other words, if this guy who
> > > > > Armstrong allegedly bribed and is still in cycling was worried about
> > > > > his livelihood if he came out and told the "truth" about Lemond in the
> > > > > '89 TdF (I have no opinion on this either way), and there's credible
> > > > > evidence that the intent of the alleged 300k offer was to minimize the
> > > > > burden on the Truth Teller should he have the courage to come clean,
> > > > > then the "bribery" charges have no merit.  In that same vein, Lemond
> > > > > would look guilty as hell,.
>
> > > > > > If this gets to trial, my feeling is that Landis is going to look very
> > > > > > good if there is corroboration.  
>
> > > > > We agree on something.
>
> > > > > >The question in my mind is who the AUSA
> > > > > > is really after.  Would he cut a deal with Armstrong and Johan to nail
> > > > > > Thom and perhaps someone high in USACycling, like Och?  I don't know.
>
> > > > > Now you are wildly speculating.
>
> > > > Lawboy - you're being a sucker now.  LeMond spoke about the $300k so
> > > > he would be COMPELLED to divulge the truth.  How would Novitcky know
> > > > to ask him the question unless LeMond hand fed it to him.
>
> > > > And you call yourself a lawyer....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Oh, forgot you have a crystal ball.  I should use you for jury
> > > selection.
>
> > In chess, life and even a god damn texas courtroom full of shit
> > kicking hayseeds you have to think ahead as well as see the root cause
> > of someone's motivations.
>
> > Why else would LeMond let this out?  I really am shocked at the idea
> > you're a lawyer.  Were you on the debate team in high school because
> > you seem like a master-debater.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Anton,
>
> Lemond, like all legendary cyclists, is a fucked in the head insecure
> asshole.  Period.  You have to be at that level.  As soon as Lance
> equaled Lemond in the TdF win category, Lemond started this shit and
> not a minute before.  You don't find it quesitonable that Lemond is
> paying Landis' attorney's fees and that Landis has hired Lemond's old
> law firm from the Trek lawsuit?  If not, you are naive.  Lemond gets
> his money and without violating a confidentiality agreement gets to
> try his claims against Armstrong again.  And he gets to use Trek's
> money to do it.  Lemond in his eyes is the only cyclist who won
> without doping.  He should have won every TdF since he became pro.
> It's all about V02 max, stupid.  Didn't you know?

Lemond boosted you freak. I can't even think that LeMond is clean
with out laughing about the impossibility of it.

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TOPIC: so that is that
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6c28d68015964cb9?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 6:54 pm
From: "GoneBeforeMyTime"


Uncle Dave wrote:
> On Jul 22, 10:25 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> In article <i29pk1$f2...@speranza.aioe.org>, S Perryman <a...@a.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Contador effectively handed the TdF by a complete lack of vision
>>> or courage in his rivals.
>>
>> I saw his rivals ridden off his wheel except Schleck.
>> What did you expect his rivals to do after they were
>> beaten? AS stayed with AC the whole way. AS tried to
>> ride AC off his wheel. AC tried to ride AS off his wheel.
>>
>> When LANCE dominated the TdF it was "boring." When AC
>> and AS slug it out but neither can ride the other off
>> his wheel it is "boring." You guys are harder to please
>> than a trailer park queen.
>
> You only have to look at the eejits the Tour attracts on mountain
> stages now to know that the days when it had any celebral appeal are
> long past. It remains, alas, (and despite all the hype thatowuld tell
> you otherwise) entirely predictable and has been for most of the last
> twenty years. It's like basketball, high on razamatazz, low on
> substance. It didn't used to be, but it is now. I watch it for the
> scenery. Ther are some wonderful places en route. Jeez, there
> haven't even been any half-decent drug scandals this year to alleviate
> the boredom...
>
> UD

It's become a trashy spectacle. In the old days the fans weren't dressed
like Drag Queens or should I say undressed. It's pretty appalling the media
not only cover idiots running along side naked, but comment on it as well
like this is something to be part and parcel of the tour. I remember when
Indurain and Chiappucci used to climb through the masses reminding me of
something akin to the Red Sea parting every step of the way. Both the
spectacle of bike racing and the fans seemed to be pretty much in sink back
then without all the circus side show you see now. The Devil used to be the
acceptable rouge element, but he's been overshadowed now by every weirdo
under the sun who flock to the tour every year. The tour is turning into
Mardi Gras. Next, they will start throwing beads on the riders.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 7:08 pm
From: NoDannyNo


On Jul 22, 9:54 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime"
>Next, they will start throwing beads on the riders.

Why not? They already tap them on the ass as they pass, run along
side them screaming, flutter flags in their faces, etc,, etc. It's
actually pretty amazing that there aren't more incidents of the racers
being impeded (accidentally or otherwise).

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 7:33 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah


On Jul 22, 8:54 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
> Uncle Dave wrote:
> > On Jul 22, 10:25 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> In article <i29pk1$f2...@speranza.aioe.org>, S Perryman <a...@a.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Contador effectively handed the TdF by a complete lack of vision
> >>> or courage in his rivals.
>
> >> I saw his rivals ridden off his wheel except Schleck.
> >> What did you expect his rivals to do after they were
> >> beaten? AS stayed with AC the whole way. AS tried to
> >> ride AC off his wheel. AC tried to ride AS off his wheel.
>
> >> When LANCE dominated the TdF it was "boring." When AC
> >> and AS slug it out but neither can ride the other off
> >> his wheel it is "boring." You guys are harder to please
> >> than a trailer park queen.
>
> > You only have to look at the eejits the Tour attracts on mountain
> > stages now to know that the days when it had any celebral appeal are
> > long past.  It remains, alas, (and despite all the hype thatowuld tell
> > you otherwise) entirely predictable and has been for most of the last
> > twenty years.  It's like basketball, high on razamatazz, low on
> > substance.  It didn't used to be, but it is now.  I watch it for the
> > scenery.  Ther are some wonderful places en route.  Jeez, there
> > haven't even been any half-decent drug scandals this year to alleviate
> > the boredom...
>
> > UD
>
> It's become a trashy spectacle. In the old days the fans weren't dressed
> like Drag Queens or should I say undressed. It's pretty appalling the media
> not only cover idiots running along side naked, but comment on it as well
> like this is something to be part and parcel of the tour. I remember when
> Indurain and Chiappucci used to climb through the masses reminding me of
> something akin to the Red Sea parting every step of the way. Both the
> spectacle of bike racing and the fans seemed to be pretty much in sink back
> then without all the circus side show you see now. The Devil used to be the
> acceptable rouge element, but he's been overshadowed now by every weirdo
> under the sun who flock to the tour every year. The tour is turning into
> Mardi Gras. Next, they will start throwing beads on the riders.

Overshadowed by the rouge element and out of sink - what is the world
coming to?

-rj


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 7:59 pm
From: "GoneBeforeMyTime"


NoDannyNo wrote:
> On Jul 22, 9:54 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime"
>> Next, they will start throwing beads on the riders.
>
> Why not? They already tap them on the ass as they pass, run along
> side them screaming, flutter flags in their faces, etc,, etc. It's
> actually pretty amazing that there aren't more incidents of the racers
> being impeded (accidentally or otherwise).

I'm waiting for some guy to swing from a tree like Tarzan through the riders
and land on the Cameraman!

I noticed some people claim boredom, no matter if it's attack and defend, or
the old style Lance Trance. Perhaps we are too well entertained and wired in
compared to moderation from old days, or perhaps it's just the fatty masters
are bored. I'm wondering if the younger crowd are as fascinated as we were
many years ago, of if they too are bored now. Before the Internet, we combed
the TV Guide and taped whatever morsels we could get our hands on. We only
dreamed of seeing other classics in Europe, which are standard fare today on
cable or Dish. We bought whatever tapes we could get our hands on, which
weren't really many like a Sunday in Hell. Now we are flooded with all the
classics on TV and all you can eat on the internet. You got Youtube and
Twitter for instant gratification. We are overindulged.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 8:52 pm
From: CowPunk


So either FL and possibly now TH or LA are going to jail?
Maybe even LemonD?

Call me a dumbass, but I'm betting FL does some time.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 10:05 pm
From: raamman


On Jul 22, 11:52 pm, CowPunk <cowpun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> So either FL and possibly now TH or LA are going to jail?
> Maybe even LemonD?
>
> Call me a dumbass, but I'm betting FL does some time.

Lemond isn't as looney as floyd; he'll just state his side of trek/ gl
bike thing, he 'll want to offer his opinion on LA doping and hearsay.
what else he knows about others is irrelevant. floyd on the other hand
perhaps as a result of drinking too frequently has made statements
that have holes in them- when the feds get back to him they will take
him apart, he will be charged and will end up in prison which would
also be to help him with his drinking problem


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[socialactionfoundationforequity:3770 Correlates of HIV stigma in HIV-positive women: Study

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22. July 2010

For some women, planning a family can be the first step towards one of
life's most rewarding experiences. But a study led by Ryerson
University researchers has found strong evidence that some HIV-
positive women feel that they are being judged negatively by their
healthcare providers for wanting to become moms and feel stigmatized
by their physicians due to their medical condition.

Anne Wagner, a PhD student at Ryerson's Department of Psychology's HIV
Prevention Lab, is the lead author of a new study that examines social
stigmas perceived by HIV-positive women living in Ontario. The study
is part of a larger report that examines HIV-positive women's desire
to have children.

"In this study, I was interested in the construct of HIV stigma, how
the women perceived it and what was contributing to it," said Wagner,
who is presenting studies on HIV homeless youth in Canada and adults
living in India at the International AIDS Conference this week in
Vienna, Austria.

The study on HIV stigma is co-authored by Professor Trevor Hart,
Wagner's academic supervisor and the director of Ryerson's Department
of Psychology's HIV Prevention Lab; Mona Loutfy of the University of
Toronto's Department of Medicine and Women's College Hospital; and
Saira Mohammed, Elena Ivanova and Joanna Wong, all of whom are with
Women's College Hospital.

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:3750 Scrap Vitamin A programme for kids, say experts

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Vitamin A deficiency is no longer a public health problem in India and
massive doses can actually be toxic
Published on 07/22/2010 -
By Killugudi Jayaraman
Bangalore: Top Indian nutritionists have urged the Indian government
to scrap the ongoing programme of "massive-dose" Vitamin A
administration to children.

"Vitamin A deficiency is no longer a public health problem in India
and massive doses can actually be toxic," former Chief of the Indian
Council of Medical Research and a leading nutritionist C Gopalan
warns.

"It is distressing that in India, this approach has been permitted as
a 'universalised' public health policy," he adds.

Gopalan, Umesh Kapil of the All India Institute of Medical Sciences
and HPS Sachdev of the Sitaram Bhartia Institute of Science and
Research, both in New Delhi, have said in the international journal
World Nutrition that the Vitamin A programme, which has found a
foothold in India due to "powerful commercial interests", should be
scrapped.

The Vitamin A prophylaxis programme was launched nationally to combat
keratomalacia, an eye disorder, often referred to as night blindness
that was prevalent in the 1950s and 1960s.

"In any case, by the 1980s, keratomalacia had ceased to be a major
public health problem in India," Gopalan, who is founder President of
the Nutrition Foundation of India, says.

Under this programme, children aged between 9 and 36 months receive
massive doses of Vitamin A, twice yearly, totalling 900,000
international units (IU).

In the Eleventh Five Year Plan period, the programme was extended to
cover all children up to five years of age, thereby increasing the
dosage received per child to 1,700,000 IU.

The amount of Vitamin A from food recommended in normal circumstances
for children between 6-12 months is 600 international units a day;
that for children between 4 and 5 years old is 900 a day.

"I question the validity of the claim that child mortality can be
reduced by 30 per cent or more with massive doses of Vitamin A,"
Gopalan says.

He says studies carried out by the National Institute of Nutrition in
Hyderabad and Harvard University in the United States, besides one of
the largest studies conducted in Uttar Pradesh between 1999 and 2004,
found no significant difference in death rates between children who
received the massive dose of Vitamin A and those who did not.

Far from reducing child mortality, Gopalan says, the massive dose
Vitamin A approach could actually lead to fatalities in children as
evidenced by the episode in Assam in 2004 in which a number of
children died as a result.

According to scientists, massive doses of Vitamin A could aggravate
zinc and Vitamin D deficiency already present in these children.

"The possible role of the ongoing programme of massive dose Vitamin A
prophylaxis in the persistence of stunting in our poor children
requires serious consideration," the scientists wrote in the journal.

They said there is also an increased risk of developing acute
respiratory infection and possible long-term effects on mental
development.

"Given the present situation of lower prevalence and milder form of
Vitamin A deficiency in India, and taking note of the possible
deleterious effects of administering massive doses of Vitamin A as a
universal programme, this approach should be scrapped forthwith,"
Gopalan wrote.

A balanced diet that includes adequate amounts of a variety of
vegetables and other foods is the surest way of preventing
micronutrient deficiencies, the scientists wrote.

"This will not only avoid the considerable unnecessary expenditure
which the Indian and other governments are incurring on the programme
but, more importantly, will save our children from undesirable side
effects."

The programme costs the Indian government Rs eight billion a year.

In his commentary in the journal, renowned nutritionist Michael Latham
of Cornell University in the United States described the global use of
Vitamin A supplements as a "great Vitamin A fiasco."

The approach of giving Vitamin A supplements to all the children in
the age group of 6 months to 60 months "is possibly doing more harm
than good," he wrote.

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