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Today's topics:
* Pavlov lives - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a159d1db6ffd7a01?hl=en
* Cycling is dead now - the vicious cycle. - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/735b69e0cf5f20a7?hl=en
* TdF GC 10 - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/88565c4e3dd77448?hl=en
* Contador's 39 sec Margin After Stage 19 - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0bf4f8d2ea2a2c4a?hl=en
* "My names Andy Schleck and I chose SRAM" - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8ddd60e3f966933b?hl=en
* TdF traditions - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b78f958a71334dd6?hl=en
* Lemond on Ferrari - 7 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/952351512a265a64?hl=en
* It's 2003 all over again? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b92d77a20aaf6751?hl=en
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TOPIC: Pavlov lives
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a159d1db6ffd7a01?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 8:53 am
From: ronaldo_jeremiah
On Jul 24, 9:06 pm, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/health/nutrition/20best.html?_r=1&e...
Not Pavlovian conditioning, though this effect might have interested
Pavlov for other reasons, since he studied digestion.
When you do something and it brings about, or seems to bring about, a
positive result, that is operant conditioning.
-rj
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:02 am
From: Anton Berlin
On Jul 25, 2:59 am, drmofe <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
> On Jul 25, 4:42 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Eddy B had us duct tape glucose tablets to our time trial top tubes
> > (this was way before power bars)
>
> If your use of the word "us" was intended to make some reference to a
> personal link between you and Eddie B, you would have remembered the
> simple rule: "Eddy Merckx. Eddie B."
> I'll let you off if you can spell his last name without resorting to
> Google (or that other engine that Davey prefers).
You act like I give a shit about these things. I know who I am and
what I've done and who I know.
I also don't give a fuck to give people respect if they haven't earned
it or maintain it. Eddy B or the Fat Man.
The entire god damn program back them was full of cunts all the way
down to tits voight.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:21 am
From: ronaldo_jeremiah
On Jul 25, 11:02 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The entire god damn program back them was full of cunts all the way
> down to tits voight.
Voigt
-rj
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:23 am
From: "K. Fred Gauss"
Anton Berlin wrote:
> You act like I give a shit about these things.
I don't believe you give a shit about anything. You are 100% schtick.
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TOPIC: Cycling is dead now - the vicious cycle.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/735b69e0cf5f20a7?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 8:57 am
From: Anton Berlin
Anyone else notice the only 3-5 deep crowds on the Champs?
Worst crowds ever!
They've managed to piss and shit on the sport enough that no one wants
to come near it, sponsorship money will follow the crowds out the
exits.
Thankfully the riders won't be able to afford EPO and Ferrari ( the
Dr. not the car! ) any longer and we will see a return of people that
race for the love of the sport.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:18 am
From: Amit Ghosh
On Jul 25, 11:57 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Anyone else notice the only 3-5 deep crowds on the Champs?
>
> Worst crowds ever!
>
> They've managed to piss and shit on the sport enough that no one wants
> to come near it, sponsorship money will follow the crowds out the
> exits.
>
> Thankfully the riders won't be able to afford EPO and Ferrari ( the
> Dr. not the car! ) any longer and we will see a return of people that
> race for the love of the sport.
dumbass,
luckily ferrari charges on a sliding scale : 10% of your salary.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:19 am
From: RicodJour
On Jul 25, 11:57 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Anyone else notice the only 3-5 deep crowds on the Champs?
>
> Worst crowds ever!
>
> They've managed to piss and shit on the sport enough that no one wants
> to come near it, sponsorship money will follow the crowds out the
> exits.
>
> Thankfully the riders won't be able to afford EPO and Ferrari ( the
> Dr. not the car! ) any longer and we will see a return of people that
> race for the love of the sport.
Yeah! I can't wait to see the helicopter coverage of industrial park
crits. Woot, woot!
R
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 10:32 am
From: "GoneBeforeMyTime"
Anton Berlin wrote:
> Anyone else notice the only 3-5 deep crowds on the Champs?
>
> Worst crowds ever!
>
> They've managed to piss and shit on the sport enough that no one wants
> to come near it, sponsorship money will follow the crowds out the
> exits.
Well, rbr hasn't exactly been very kind or overly affectionate either over
the years. But I think it's pretty obvious that when it comes to big media
and the tour, it's such a massive marketing money machine on so many levels
that even the massively doped peloton has had and probably continue to have
little effort on it's popularity in that regard. I don't believe the media
moguls care much about doping, just about Tour dollars, market share as
usual. Lots of races will come and go, but the Tour will endure as a
cultural extravaganza. The Tour seems to stand very well on it's own legs,
doped or not and big media understands this. However, if they don't get
control of the Mardi Graz crowd, it could lose its luster in that regard.
It's starting to get pretty goofy out there, and they need to clamp down on
some of those idiots.
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TOPIC: TdF GC 10
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/88565c4e3dd77448?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:01 am
From: ronaldo_jeremiah
On Jul 2, 8:04 am, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> 1 Contador
bingo
> 2 Evans
way off
> 3 A Schleck
off by only one
> 4 LANCE
way off
> 5 Basso
way off
> 6 Wiggins
way off
> 7 Kloeden
way off
> 8 Menchov
off by five
> 9 F Schleck
way off
10 Martin
way off.
Not my best prognostication ever.
I wonder if any team will be prepared to genuinely back CFE in the
Tour again. Given his age and recent record, I think he probably
needed to finish top three this time around to maintain his status as
a contender.
-rj
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:03 am
From: ronaldo_jeremiah
On Jul 2, 12:05 pm, Andre <orade...@gmail.com> wrote:
> no, this is the way it will be:
>
> 1.Contador bingo
> 2.Menchov off one
> 3.A. Shleck off one
> 4.Kreuziger off five
> 5.VDB bingo
> 6.Kloden off a bunch (full GC not available as I type this)
> 7.Basso off a bunch
> 8.Evans off a bunch
> 9.Gesink off three
> 10.F. Shleck DNF
>
> Andre
Dumbass -
Very well done.
-rj
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TOPIC: Contador's 39 sec Margin After Stage 19
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0bf4f8d2ea2a2c4a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:05 am
From: Phil H
On Jul 25, 3:43 am, Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 24, 1:18 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 39 seconds is exactly the same amount of time Contador made up on
> > Schleck when he diddled with his chain on stage 15.
>
> > Phil H
>
> I assume they would have used fractions of a second on the TT to
> determine who had the yellow jersey.
I assume that Contador would still be the winner having the advantage
of following behind Schleck. Assuming their overall times were near
equal as Contador was coming into the last couple of kilometers of the
TT, well, it isn't difficult to put yourself in that position and
respond appropriately (understatement).
Phil H
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:10 am
From: Phil H
On Jul 25, 9:05 am, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 25, 3:43 am, Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 24, 1:18 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > 39 seconds is exactly the same amount of time Contador made up on
> > > Schleck when he diddled with his chain on stage 15.
>
> > > Phil H
>
> > I assume they would have used fractions of a second on the TT to
> > determine who had the yellow jersey.
>
> I assume that Contador would still be the winner having the advantage
> of following behind Schleck. Assuming their overall times were near
> equal as Contador was coming into the last couple of kilometers of the
> TT, well, it isn't difficult to put yourself in that position and
> respond appropriately (understatement).
>
> Phil H
Oh, just a minute, Schleck would have been following Contador so the
roles would be reversed and Schleck (IMO) would be the winner.
Phil H
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TOPIC: "My names Andy Schleck and I chose SRAM"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8ddd60e3f966933b?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:10 am
From: dedendaddy4spammers@webtv.net (It's Chris)
Do you think I could have won the TDF if my @#$% chain hadn't jammed
during my breakaway attempt?
(I chose that heading solely to attract attention! This is an honest
question, not a flame against SRAM or a troll attempt. Please don't turn
it into one)
- -
Compliments of:
"Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
If you want to E-mail me use:
ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:25 am
From: MyPostingID
On Jul 25, 12:10 pm, dedendaddy4spamm...@webtv.net (It's Chris) wrote:
> Do you think I could have won the TDF if my @#$% chain hadn't jammed
> during my breakaway attempt?
>
> (I chose that heading solely to attract attention! This is an honest
> question, not a flame against SRAM or a troll attempt. Please don't turn
> it into one)
>
> - -
> Compliments of:
> "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
>
> If you want to E-mail me use:
> ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net
I think having Frank along would have been more useful.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:33 am
From: Phil H
On Jul 25, 9:10 am, dedendaddy4spamm...@webtv.net (It's Chris) wrote:
> Do you think I could have won the TDF if my @#$% chain hadn't jammed
> during my breakaway attempt?
>
> (I chose that heading solely to attract attention! This is an honest
> question, not a flame against SRAM or a troll attempt. Please don't turn
> it into one)
>
> - -
> Compliments of:
> "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
>
> If you want to E-mail me use:
> ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net
Yes he "could" have won. If the same outcome had occurred in the
following 3 stages, he would have had the advantage of following in
the TT.
Phil H
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:42 am
From: dedendaddy4spammers@webtv.net (It's Chris)
True, having Frank would have definitaly helped, but that would have
helped during the erntire tour, not just stage 19.
- -
Compliments of:
"Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
If you want to E-mail me use:
ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net
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TOPIC: TdF traditions
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b78f958a71334dd6?hl=en
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Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:33 am
From: dedendaddy4spammers@webtv.net (It's Chris)
Re: TdF traditions
Group: rec.bicycles.racing Date: Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 12:30pm (EDT-3)
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com (Amit Ghosh):
>dumbass,
>these "unwritten rules" aren't arbitrary.
>schleck trying to get a gap on contador
>on the flat final stage will be futile - thus
>no one even bothers to try it.
Tell that to the eleven who tried it :-3)
- -
Compliments of:
"Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
If you want to E-mail me use:
ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net
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TOPIC: Lemond on Ferrari
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/952351512a265a64?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:40 am
From: CowPunk
For me the year he came back from a winter of "skate skiing", or was
it speed skating, with legs the size of an elephant was a good
indicator he was on the juice. Of course Lemond was still using d-
balls and the Euros had already moved on to EPO so that was that.
Career over. He's probably scared of needles, that's why he quit and
harbors so much anger towards the peloton.
On Jul 25, 9:01 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 7/25/2010 10:27 AM, Zeno wrote:
>
> > On Jul 25, 8:07 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/greg-lemond/bravo-to-the-new-generation
>
> >> Let the attacks begin, LOL!!
>
> > The irony is that back when Greg made his miraculous comeback, the
> > Brian Laffertys of the time were absolutely certain that he had his
> > own "Dr Ferrari," his immunologist father in law, Dr David Morris,
> > who was accused of slipping him PEDs under the guise of therapy.
> > ("Iron shots" I think) Maybe they should supoena Kathy& turn the
> > screws on her til she squeals on her dad. Let get em all!
>
> Lemond's father-in-law was not an immunologist. It's more likely that
> the "iron shot" had a placebo effect on Lemond. That's doesn't mean he
> wasn't using steroids that resulted in his MM diagnosis.
>
> Interesting background info about Ferrari that apparently was never
> published here in periodicals like VeloSnooze under John Wilcockson's
> reign. Also, Wilcockson was on Nightline Friday night touting the great
> Armstrong cancer recovery TdF myth. The older he gets, the more he
> looks like a character out of Lord of the Rings.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:52 am
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 7/25/2010 11:15 AM, Zeno wrote:
> On Jul 25, 9:01 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 7/25/2010 10:27 AM, Zeno wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 8:07 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/greg-lemond/bravo-to-the-new-generation
>>
>>>> Let the attacks begin, LOL!!
>>
>>> The irony is that back when Greg made his miraculous comeback, the
>>> Brian Laffertys of the time were absolutely certain that he had his
>>> own "Dr Ferrari," his immunologist father in law, Dr David Morris,
>>> who was accused of slipping him PEDs under the guise of therapy.
>>> ("Iron shots" I think) Maybe they should supoena Kathy& turn the
>>> screws on her til she squeals on her dad. Let get em all!
>>
>> Lemond's father-in-law was not an immunologist. It's more likely that
>> the "iron shot" had a placebo effect on Lemond. That's doesn't mean he
>> wasn't using steroids that resulted in his MM diagnosis.
>>
>> Interesting background info about Ferrari that apparently was never
>> published here in periodicals like VeloSnooze under John Wilcockson's
>> reign. Also, Wilcockson was on Nightline Friday night touting the great
>> Armstrong cancer recovery TdF myth. The older he gets, the more he
>> looks like a character out of Lord of the Rings.
>
> Lemond's father in law was an immunologist see
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1139990/2/index.htm
> EPO went into production in 1989. Do the math.
My mistake about his specialty. I thought he was an internist. What
math are you talking about?
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:53 am
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 7/25/2010 11:29 AM, Zeno wrote:
> On Jul 25, 9:15 am, Zeno<zwarbirdm...@zenoswarbirdvideos.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 25, 9:01 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 7/25/2010 10:27 AM, Zeno wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 8:07 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/greg-lemond/bravo-to-the-new-generation
>>
>>>>> Let the attacks begin, LOL!!
>>
>>>> The irony is that back when Greg made his miraculous comeback, the
>>>> Brian Laffertys of the time were absolutely certain that he had his
>>>> own "Dr Ferrari," his immunologist father in law, Dr David Morris,
>>>> who was accused of slipping him PEDs under the guise of therapy.
>>>> ("Iron shots" I think) Maybe they should supoena Kathy& turn the
>>>> screws on her til she squeals on her dad. Let get em all!
>>
>>> Lemond's father-in-law was not an immunologist. It's more likely that
>>> the "iron shot" had a placebo effect on Lemond. That's doesn't mean he
>>> wasn't using steroids that resulted in his MM diagnosis.
>>
>>> Interesting background info about Ferrari that apparently was never
>>> published here in periodicals like VeloSnooze under John Wilcockson's
>>> reign. Also, Wilcockson was on Nightline Friday night touting the great
>>> Armstrong cancer recovery TdF myth. The older he gets, the more he
>>> looks like a character out of Lord of the Rings.
>>
>> Lemond's father in law was an immunologist seehttp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1139990/2/...
>> EPO went into production in 1989. Do the math.
>
> I especially liked "That night team doctors took blood samples that
> revealed that LeMond's white blood cell count was elevated to nearly
> twice its normal levels."
And what do you deduce from that, Sherlock?
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:53 am
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 7/25/2010 11:34 AM, Zeno wrote:
> On Jul 25, 9:29 am, Zeno<zwarbirdm...@zenoswarbirdvideos.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 25, 9:15 am, Zeno<zwarbirdm...@zenoswarbirdvideos.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 9:01 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On 7/25/2010 10:27 AM, Zeno wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Jul 25, 8:07 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/greg-lemond/bravo-to-the-new-generation
>>
>>>>>> Let the attacks begin, LOL!!
>>
>>>>> The irony is that back when Greg made his miraculous comeback, the
>>>>> Brian Laffertys of the time were absolutely certain that he had his
>>>>> own "Dr Ferrari," his immunologist father in law, Dr David Morris,
>>>>> who was accused of slipping him PEDs under the guise of therapy.
>>>>> ("Iron shots" I think) Maybe they should supoena Kathy& turn the
>>>>> screws on her til she squeals on her dad. Let get em all!
>>
>>>> Lemond's father-in-law was not an immunologist. It's more likely that
>>>> the "iron shot" had a placebo effect on Lemond. That's doesn't mean he
>>>> wasn't using steroids that resulted in his MM diagnosis.
>>
>>>> Interesting background info about Ferrari that apparently was never
>>>> published here in periodicals like VeloSnooze under John Wilcockson's
>>>> reign. Also, Wilcockson was on Nightline Friday night touting the great
>>>> Armstrong cancer recovery TdF myth. The older he gets, the more he
>>>> looks like a character out of Lord of the Rings.
>>
>>> Lemond's father in law was an immunologist seehttp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1139990/2/...
>>> EPO went into production in 1989. Do the math.
>>
>> I especially liked "That night team doctors took blood samples that
>> revealed that LeMond's white blood cell count was elevated to nearly
>> twice its normal levels."
> They were testing his blood count regularly. (sorry about this
> fragmented text. I am using my phone)
Again Sherlock, what do you deduce from that?
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:55 am
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 7/25/2010 12:40 PM, CowPunk wrote:
> For me the year he came back from a winter of "skate skiing", or was
> it speed skating, with legs the size of an elephant was a good
> indicator he was on the juice. Of course Lemond was still using d-
> balls and the Euros had already moved on to EPO so that was that.
> Career over. He's probably scared of needles, that's why he quit and
> harbors so much anger towards the peloton.
>
>
> On Jul 25, 9:01 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 7/25/2010 10:27 AM, Zeno wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 8:07 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/greg-lemond/bravo-to-the-new-generation
>>
>>>> Let the attacks begin, LOL!!
>>
>>> The irony is that back when Greg made his miraculous comeback, the
>>> Brian Laffertys of the time were absolutely certain that he had his
>>> own "Dr Ferrari," his immunologist father in law, Dr David Morris,
>>> who was accused of slipping him PEDs under the guise of therapy.
>>> ("Iron shots" I think) Maybe they should supoena Kathy& turn the
>>> screws on her til she squeals on her dad. Let get em all!
>>
>> Lemond's father-in-law was not an immunologist. It's more likely that
>> the "iron shot" had a placebo effect on Lemond. That's doesn't mean he
>> wasn't using steroids that resulted in his MM diagnosis.
>>
>> Interesting background info about Ferrari that apparently was never
>> published here in periodicals like VeloSnooze under John Wilcockson's
>> reign. Also, Wilcockson was on Nightline Friday night touting the great
>> Armstrong cancer recovery TdF myth. The older he gets, the more he
>> looks like a character out of Lord of the Rings.
>
My recollection of that was he added too much to his upper body. I
don't recall whether it was from skating and/or cross country skiing.
The latter, probably.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 10:15 am
From: Rik Van Slick
> My recollection of that was he added too much to his upper body. I
> don't recall whether it was from skating and/or cross country skiing.
> The latter, probably.
It was cross country skate skiing. It was the fashionable mode of
winter training for North American roadies in the late 80's & early
90's. Problem was, it added too much upper body bulk, for which Lemond
took a lot a flack from his European team overlords.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 10:24 am
From: Zeno
On Jul 25, 10:52 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 7/25/2010 11:15 AM, Zeno wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 25, 9:01 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> On 7/25/2010 10:27 AM, Zeno wrote:
>
> >>> On Jul 25, 8:07 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/greg-lemond/bravo-to-the-new-generation
>
> >>>> Let the attacks begin, LOL!!
>
> >>> The irony is that back when Greg made his miraculous comeback, the
> >>> Brian Laffertys of the time were absolutely certain that he had his
> >>> own "Dr Ferrari," his immunologist father in law, Dr David Morris,
> >>> who was accused of slipping him PEDs under the guise of therapy.
> >>> ("Iron shots" I think) Maybe they should supoena Kathy& turn the
> >>> screws on her til she squeals on her dad. Let get em all!
>
> >> Lemond's father-in-law was not an immunologist. It's more likely that
> >> the "iron shot" had a placebo effect on Lemond. That's doesn't mean he
> >> wasn't using steroids that resulted in his MM diagnosis.
>
> >> Interesting background info about Ferrari that apparently was never
> >> published here in periodicals like VeloSnooze under John Wilcockson's
> >> reign. Also, Wilcockson was on Nightline Friday night touting the great
> >> Armstrong cancer recovery TdF myth. The older he gets, the more he
> >> looks like a character out of Lord of the Rings.
>
> > Lemond's father in law was an immunologist see
> >http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1139990/2/..
> > EPO went into production in 1989. Do the math.
>
> My mistake about his specialty. I thought he was an internist. What
> math are you talking about?
Lemond's father in law was an immunologist, a specialist who would
have more than the average doctors knowledge of Epo, what it could do
and access to it. Epo was already in general release since 1989. He
gave Greg "Iron Shots" which are normally used to boost red count,
just like epo. They were monitoring his blood.Forget about steroids, a
new miracle drug was there for early adopters. By all accounts, Lemond
turned in a miraculous performance. Brian, as a master of evedence
that should be an easy one.
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TOPIC: It's 2003 all over again?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b92d77a20aaf6751?hl=en
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Date: Sun, Jul 25 2010 9:38 am
From: dedendaddy4spammers@webtv.net (It's Chris)
And don't forget the carnage. In particular:
Beloki - 2003 (downhill, tar patch)
Schleck - 2010 (cobblestones)
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Compliments of:
"Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
If you want to E-mail me use:
ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net
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