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Today's topics:
* L'Equipe Yesterday - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ff8aca32f9f6bb15?hl=en
* WSJ: Prosecutors Step Up Armstrong Probe - 6 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4daf5e927c629c39?hl=en
* Sunday's awesome race finish (caution: amateur racing content) - 3 messages,
2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d931d2609ff35e47?hl=en
* Lemond on Ferrari - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/952351512a265a64?hl=en
* Is Holly's Dress Too Tight? - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/abec83b098eb0a1e?hl=en
* Rules is Rules - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1d9cb1dadfd6f5c9?hl=en
* LeMond's vicious attack - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/93da6767e1c4f2f2?hl=en
* Stupid newbie question - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9fea0121d907c09e?hl=en
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TOPIC: L'Equipe Yesterday
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ff8aca32f9f6bb15?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 3:26 pm
From: LawBoy01
On Jul 27, 5:16 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 7/27/2010 6:06 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 27, 5:02 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> On 7/27/2010 5:47 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:> On Jul 27, 4:17 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>> My cycling buddy who's over in the Pyrenees tells me that yesterday
> >>>> L'Equipe had a full page retro article about the 1973 Worlds RR which
> >>>> Gimondi won. Haven't see the article yet, but I looked at the finish
> >>>> sprint in La Course en Tete this morning for about the 50th+ time. I
> >>>> think Freddy has gotten a bad rap. It looks to me like Eddy just didn't
> >>>> have it in his legs on the day. Thoughts?
>
> >>>> Note to Lawyer Philsy, this is a non-***** post.
>
> >>> It's both.
>
> >> Really?? I won't discuss him in this thread.
>
> > No, I mean it's both, Eddy's legs weren't the best but Freddy acted
> > intentionally and caused the Gimondi victory.
>
> How do you figure that about Freddy?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Just my view after having read seemingly everything on the issue. In
my view, the telling remarks came from Maertens when he basically said
"whatever, Gimondi and Merckx consipired against me because I ride
Shimano and they ride Campy." Spin the bottle.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 4:10 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 7/27/2010 6:26 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
> On Jul 27, 5:16 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 7/27/2010 6:06 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 27, 5:02 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/27/2010 5:47 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:> On Jul 27, 4:17 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> My cycling buddy who's over in the Pyrenees tells me that yesterday
>>>>>> L'Equipe had a full page retro article about the 1973 Worlds RR which
>>>>>> Gimondi won. Haven't see the article yet, but I looked at the finish
>>>>>> sprint in La Course en Tete this morning for about the 50th+ time. I
>>>>>> think Freddy has gotten a bad rap. It looks to me like Eddy just didn't
>>>>>> have it in his legs on the day. Thoughts?
>>
>>>>>> Note to Lawyer Philsy, this is a non-***** post.
>>
>>>>> It's both.
>>
>>>> Really?? I won't discuss him in this thread.
>>
>>> No, I mean it's both, Eddy's legs weren't the best but Freddy acted
>>> intentionally and caused the Gimondi victory.
>>
>> How do you figure that about Freddy?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Just my view after having read seemingly everything on the issue. In
> my view, the telling remarks came from Maertens when he basically said
> "whatever, Gimondi and Merckx consipired against me because I ride
> Shimano and they ride Campy." Spin the bottle.
There may be more than a little truth in that.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 4:12 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 7/27/2010 6:24 PM, --D-y wrote:
> On Jul 27, 4:17 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> My cycling buddy who's over in the Pyrenees tells me that yesterday
>> L'Equipe had a full page retro article about the 1973 Worlds RR which
>> Gimondi won. Haven't see the article yet, but I looked at the finish
>> sprint in La Course en Tete this morning for about the 50th+ time. I
>> think Freddy has gotten a bad rap. It looks to me like Eddy just didn't
>> have it in his legs on the day. Thoughts?
>>
>> Note to Lawyer Philsy, this is a non-***** post.
>
> Lance I mean Freddy dragged Lance I mean Gimondi up to Lance I mean
> Eddy and Lance I mean Ocana. Lance I mean Eddy IMHO was completely
> bamboozled and even though Lance I mean Freddy gave him a good
> leadout, Lance I mean Eddy was demoralized and Lance I mean Gimondi
> pulled the sprint of a lifetime out of his suitcase of courage and won
> the race.
>
> Lance I mean Eddy definitely "had it in his legs" to get way the hell
> up the road alone with a non-sprinter before Lance I mean Freddy
> foolishly sabotaged him, is the way I got the story. Open to
> correction.
> --D-y
Eddy was not at all comfortable on his machine that day as evidenced by
his adjustments to his saddle height on the fly. I don't think he could
get away.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 5:09 pm
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"
On Jul 27, 6:02 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Really?? I won't discuss him in this thread.
But you already did, right from the first message. You can't even not-
discuss him without discussing him.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 7:06 pm
From: --D-y
On Jul 27, 6:12 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 7/27/2010 6:24 PM, --D-y wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 27, 4:17 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> My cycling buddy who's over in the Pyrenees tells me that yesterday
> >> L'Equipe had a full page retro article about the 1973 Worlds RR which
> >> Gimondi won. Haven't see the article yet, but I looked at the finish
> >> sprint in La Course en Tete this morning for about the 50th+ time. I
> >> think Freddy has gotten a bad rap. It looks to me like Eddy just didn't
> >> have it in his legs on the day. Thoughts?
>
> >> Note to Lawyer Philsy, this is a non-***** post.
>
> > Lance I mean Freddy dragged Lance I mean Gimondi up to Lance I mean
> > Eddy and Lance I mean Ocana. Lance I mean Eddy IMHO was completely
> > bamboozled and even though Lance I mean Freddy gave him a good
> > leadout, Lance I mean Eddy was demoralized and Lance I mean Gimondi
> > pulled the sprint of a lifetime out of his suitcase of courage and won
> > the race.
>
> > Lance I mean Eddy definitely "had it in his legs" to get way the hell
> > up the road alone with a non-sprinter before Lance I mean Freddy
> > foolishly sabotaged him, is the way I got the story. Open to
> > correction.
> > --D-y
>
> Eddy was not at all comfortable on his machine that day as evidenced by
> his adjustments to his saddle height on the fly. I don't think he could
> get away.
As I understand it, after his bad crash on the 'drome early in his
career, due to very poor treatment of severe injuries, Eddy was often
uncomfortable. There's at least one other famous filmed interlude
where he goes and "borrows a 5" from a rival team car for a last-
minute saddle adjust at the start of a race. I forget the detail.
Extremely open to correction but again, the story I've heard repeated
was that Merckx was away, discomfort or no. It is just the four of
them and they don't seem to be desperate to stay away from a chase.
I do have this DVD and need to go refresh my memory, if events are in
fact shown.
In any event, and all fooling aside, Gimondi did a hell of a job
winning that sprint against at least two guys who "should have" beat
him.
Motivation with a capital M; seemed to be kind of a rare doofus moment
for Merckx.
--D-y
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TOPIC: WSJ: Prosecutors Step Up Armstrong Probe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4daf5e927c629c39?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 3:57 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Jul 27, 2:11 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 7/27/2010 5:03 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:> On 7/27/2010 3:53 PM, B. Lafferty wrote:
> >> Don't you have some billable hours to do?
>
> > Dude,
>
> > Be careful about pitching stones from that
> > particular glass house.
>
> > Fred Flinstein
>
> Not a problem, Fred. I"m no longer a slave to the time sheet.
You're a slave to something, though.
Fredmaster Ben
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 4:05 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Jul 27, 3:01 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> I reserved judgment on Lance for quite a while. I've only in the past
> year or two gone fully over the threshold of preponderance.
Man, if you said that under oath, an AUSA would
nail your ass to the wall in fifteen different places.
There is plenty of evidence in RBR that you had
LANCE convicted more than a year or two ago.
> I've never liked the guy.
When did you start not liking him? Pre-Tour years,
or only after 1999 or so? I don't remember what your
attitude toward him was in say 1999-2000.
Trawling through the rbr archives is occasionally
interesting. The atmosphere was different,
(I wouldn't necessarily say it was better - in fact
I think the conversations about racing may have
been better and about doping, worse, because
less well-informed)
Fredmaster Ben
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 4:09 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 7/27/2010 7:05 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Jul 27, 3:01 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> I reserved judgment on Lance for quite a while. I've only in the past
>> year or two gone fully over the threshold of preponderance.
>
> Man, if you said that under oath, an AUSA would
> nail your ass to the wall in fifteen different places.
> There is plenty of evidence in RBR that you had
> LANCE convicted more than a year or two ago.
I've pointed out the different arguments, that he's been a doper and/or
that what he's done is not possible with his physique. But, I was very
careful to not reach a final judgment. About two years ago, I did.
>
>> I've never liked the guy.
>
> When did you start not liking him? Pre-Tour years,
> or only after 1999 or so? I don't remember what your
> attitude toward him was in say 1999-2000.
What is it about the word "never" that is unclear to you?
>
> Trawling through the rbr archives is occasionally
> interesting. The atmosphere was different,
> (I wouldn't necessarily say it was better - in fact
> I think the conversations about racing may have
> been better and about doping, worse, because
> less well-informed)
>
> Fredmaster Ben
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 4:15 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Jul 27, 4:09 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 7/27/2010 7:05 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>
> > On Jul 27, 3:01 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >> I've never liked the guy.
>
> > When did you start not liking him? Pre-Tour years,
> > or only after 1999 or so? I don't remember what your
> > attitude toward him was in say 1999-2000.
>
> What is it about the word "never" that is unclear to you?
When people say "never" or "always" they usually
mean "for a long time." There is presumably a point
at which you did not know of the existence of LANCE,
and my guess is that the first time you read a race
report in Winning or Velonews about some race he
placed in, you didn't say to yourself "That guy is named
Lance and he's from Texas, he must be a giant
flaming asshole."
So I'm curious if you started not liking him when he
was a U23, or around the Thrift Drug Classic, or Worlds,
or after Worlds, or after his comeback, or whatever,
and if there's any particular reason (I mean, other than
the issue that he's a giant flaming asshole and from
Plano to boot.)
Fredmaster Ben
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 4:19 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 7/27/2010 7:15 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Jul 27, 4:09 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 7/27/2010 7:05 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 27, 3:01 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I've never liked the guy.
>>
>>> When did you start not liking him? Pre-Tour years,
>>> or only after 1999 or so? I don't remember what your
>>> attitude toward him was in say 1999-2000.
>>
>> What is it about the word "never" that is unclear to you?
>
> When people say "never" or "always" they usually
> mean "for a long time." There is presumably a point
> at which you did not know of the existence of LANCE,
> and my guess is that the first time you read a race
> report in Winning or Velonews about some race he
> placed in, you didn't say to yourself "That guy is named
> Lance and he's from Texas, he must be a giant
> flaming asshole."
>
> So I'm curious if you started not liking him when he
> was a U23, or around the Thrift Drug Classic, or Worlds,
> or after Worlds, or after his comeback, or whatever,
> and if there's any particular reason (I mean, other than
> the issue that he's a giant flaming asshole and from
> Plano to boot.)
>
> Fredmaster Ben
>
Let's put it this way. I have no memory of ever having had a positive
or even neutral opinion about him. Can't remember ever thinking he
wasn't an arrogant guy. I suspect the first I heard anything of
substance about what he's like was from people I knew who had raced with
him.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 5:58 pm
From: Keith
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:55:22 -0400, "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com>
wrote:
>>> Mr. Lawyer, they are looking to show a) a long standing pattern of fraud
>>> leading up to the Postal years and the SCA Promotions contract; b) that
>>> every time Armstrong has said he has never used PEDs, he's been lying,
>>> sometimes under oath; c) that the SCA Promotions contract was
>>> fraudulently induced and that the payout was fraudulently sought and
>>> obtained by perjured testimony.
>>
>> Except that it was reported that there was no "anti-doping" clause in
>> the SCA contract, so it was a moot point whether he doped or not to
>> win. Bit odd that SCA would have refused to pay because of doping
>> allegations though...
>>
>citation/link, please.
"The case was eventually settled out of court with SCA paying
Armstrong and Tailwind Sports $7.5 million, to cover the $5-million
bonus plus interest and lawyers' fees. It is understood that SCA lost
as they hadnÕt put a no-doping clause in the contract, thus making
their line of defense invalid."
Makes them look pretty stupid if it was indeed the case.
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TOPIC: Sunday's awesome race finish (caution: amateur racing content)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d931d2609ff35e47?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 4:03 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Jul 26, 3:42 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <eff968b1-e3e3-47bf-bcdd-25b5bd0ad...@o10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does not a tandem has a physical advantage?
> Always a friendly wheel to suck.
>
> ???
>
> --
> Old Fritz
Yeah. Typical racing tandems are fast on the flats, because they are
more aero than two bikes, but have the power of two bikes. Mass and
coordination limit their sprinting performance except maybe for the
very fastest, most practiced teams.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 4:09 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Jul 26, 10:48 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I knew the calculus, and kept repeating it to myself: hold this wheel,
> and you'll win. The tandem crew couldn't stop attacking, and I
> couldn't let them get away. Grim embrace indeed. We must have been
> quite a sight on the last lap: a tandem at full bore on a flat course
> doing a 2-minute effort, and me drafting behind like a fat red
> parasitic fish.
>
> In conclusion, I'm wearing the bike socks I won right now. Bike racing
> is great.
Haha. Awesome. Well done. Just don't fall too in
love with the socks, it"s a short step from there to
doing races with $10 primes, and the next thing
you know you're a 12k dreamer with a favor preference
among Powergels, and Joe Papp is tapping your
phone.
Fredmaster Ben
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 4:13 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Jul 26, 1:30 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If the socks you won are Castelli Rossa Corsas don't get too attached
> to them - they snag and run like panty hose and are throw aways after
> about a week.
>
> Worst socks I've ever owned.
DeFeet socks, with the Oak Bay Bikes logo on them in blue and yellow.
I assume really light sox suffer the pantyhose effect: there's a
tension between sheerness and durability, so the nicest, almost-not-
there sox will also have mayfly lifespans.
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TOPIC: Lemond on Ferrari
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/952351512a265a64?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 4:14 pm
From: --D-y
On Jul 26, 2:30 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <5984b571-aaa7-40a1-80ea-d4a7762b1...@w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>,
>
> --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> > Plus the obvious coverup of the smashed hopes that Lance would be
> > arrested and taken in for extremely traumatic (confusing the
> > "punishment phase" with the "investigation phase" as the French are
> > reported to do) "questioning" the nanosecond he stepped foot into
> > France. (Duh) "This is what I meant". Right, Greg.
>
> Instead, on his visit to the tour
> the first one President Sarkozy greets
> is Armstrong.
>
> --
> Michael Press
Yeah, don't forget, "the French hate Lance Armstrong". Well, some of
the French hate him, anyhow!
--D-y
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TOPIC: Is Holly's Dress Too Tight?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/abec83b098eb0a1e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 5:21 pm
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"
On Jul 27, 5:33 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
> WTF is the point of that? Are American viewers going to switch off if
> they don't see some silicone every minute or two? Who is she? Didn't
> I see her on Naked News? "Naked News" - you have to love America
> really.
your id has a .de domain ... and you're slagging on American TV???
(which is Puritan compared to what's on in Deutschland!)
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 6:03 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Jul 27, 2:33 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
> On Jul 27, 4:17 am, Superfly TNT <superfly-...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Go to 00:56 and determine if Holly's dress is too tight...
>
> >http://video.competitor.com/2010/07/cycling/velocenter-tdf-stage-20-p...
>
> > Nah, just right!
>
> WTF is the point of that? Are American viewers going to switch off if
> they don't see some silicone every minute or two? Who is she? Didn't
> I see her on Naked News? "Naked News" - you have to love America
> really.
>
> UD
Dude,
You're commenting on a sport that has podium girls.
Either bitch about superfluous cheesecake whenever you
see it, or don"t complain, but leave out the self-righteous
act. If you want everyone to wear the same glasses as
Deutsche Welle announcers to look serious enough to
be on tv, say so. If you complain that there's unnecessary
filler on TV, take your complaints to the Coverage of
Paul the World Cup Octopus department.
Fredmeister Ben
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 7:49 pm
From: Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:17:26 -0700 (PDT), Superfly TNT
<superfly-tnt@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Go to 00:56 and determine if Holly's dress is too tight...
>
>http://video.competitor.com/2010/07/cycling/velocenter-tdf-stage-20-preview/
>
>Nah, just right!
What dress??
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TOPIC: Rules is Rules
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1d9cb1dadfd6f5c9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 7:08 pm
From: DirtRoadie
On Jul 27, 11:32 am, "Kurgan Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "DirtRoadie" <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:518ee9ee-33ec-4db0-8091-3e70b52bfc05@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Well these ARE the same guys that DQ'ed Renshaw instead of fining or
> > relegating him or the team.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> DQ'ing Renshaw was the correct move. Any other sanction wouldn't have enough
> deterrent effect.
>
> If they slapped him on the hand, we'd see an epidemic of leadout men trying
> to chop other teams' sprinters (what Renshaw did to Farrar) after they
> finished leading out.
What they need is a method of penalizing the _team_ if that does not
already exist. Relegation of a sprinter who benefits from the
misconduct of a leadout man would be appropriate.
DR
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TOPIC: LeMond's vicious attack
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/93da6767e1c4f2f2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 7:24 pm
From: Cicero Venatio
Now we've seen LeMond's multiple attacks, and you see no response from
Lance. Lance can't answer, it's sad, and I really doubt that he can
hold on to some of those tdf wins. I think he'll lose at least two of
them, bringing him down to five, the number people think should be the
limit. But I think LeMond wants to get him down to at least 3 tdf wins.
Lance must realize his riding days are over, so he must now use his
mind to fend off LeMond, answer his challenge just like when he rode his
bike. It's not about the bike now, and Lance will have to meet his
rival head on if he wants to preserve his legacy.
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TOPIC: Stupid newbie question
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9fea0121d907c09e?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 7:44 pm
From: Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
Okay, I give up.
What's a "crit?"
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 8:38 pm
From: RicodJour
On Jul 27, 10:44 pm, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
<PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, I give up.
>
> What's a "crit?"
"The architectural crit, review or jury is a cornerstone of
architectural education around the world. The defence of ideas,
drawings, and models in an open format before staff and peers is
intended to be a foreground for healthy creative debate, but many
students view it as hostile confrontation – an ego trip for staff and
humiliation for them."*
R
* The quotation marks are all the attribution necessary thanks to your
friend, Google.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 8:51 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"
Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
> Okay, I give up.
>
> What's a "clit?"
>
You should ask your Mom, she's the one who told me.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 8:54 pm
From: Plano Dude
On Jul 27, 9:44 pm, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
<PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, I give up.
>
> What's a "crit?"
A blood value. Over 50 and ur out. Unless ur name is Vaughters.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 27 2010 9:11 pm
From: "MikeWhy"
Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
> Okay, I give up.
>
> What's a "crit?"
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bicycle+race+crit
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