Tuesday, August 3, 2010

Re: Medarticles Articles required !

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On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Jack <jwalin.parekh@gmail.com> wrote:
Kindly send me these articles please !

1. Immunopathogenesis of oral lichen planus
   Authors : L. J. Walsh, N. W. Savage, T. Ishii, G. J.  Seymour
   DOI : 10.1111/j.1600-0714.1990.tb00866.x
   Link to the Abstract : http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119379366/abstract

2. Oral lichen planus and oral lichenoid lesions: diagnostic and
therapeutic considerations
   DOI : 10.1016/j.tripleo.2006.11.001
   Link to the Abstract : http://www.ooooe.net/article/S1079-2104%2806%2900860-2/abstract


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rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 7 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Public Opinion Is Shifting - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b0b7fbbfb8d08d8e?hl=en
* Henry, Betty, RetardJour, H. Fred, and Fredmaster Closed World Rantings - 4
messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a687653b1d2c01b9?hl=en
* 9 stitches across knee= 2 weeks off? - 7 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae69cf836181b335?hl=en
* Trash Talk From A Non-Medical Source - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d00173f818ef262f?hl=en
* Tim Herman Shoots Lance in the Foot--Again - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1413a9c7dd9b5314?hl=en
* Contadar signs with Saxo & Riis believes Contador can win all 3 tours in the
same year - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4ac329cad1bbff35?hl=en
* Tour of Colorado??? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1bf065b99a72d6a2?hl=en

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TOPIC: Public Opinion Is Shifting
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b0b7fbbfb8d08d8e?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 2:53 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:W_CdnU30srgX5MXRnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Although the investigation is ongoing, public opinion may be starting to
> shift. Words such as "scandal" and "lie" and "steroids" are now the most
> popular phrases used to describe Armstrong, according to Zeta Interactive,
> a marketing firm that tracks online sentiments. In 2008, when Armstrong
> was the fourth-most talked about athlete, words used to describe him
> included "h**o" and "l****d" and "N**e" — a reference to one of his main
> sponsors.
> "Anyone or anything associated with Lance Armstrong should be very worried
> right now," Zeta Interactive CEO Al DiGuido said. "He has faced these
> kinds of allegations before, but the fuel really seems to be kicking in
> this time."
> Fifty-eight percent of online sentiments about Armstrong remain positive,
> according to Zeta's rating system, but that's down from 86 percent at the
> beginning of July and the first time that it has fallen below 60 percent.
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hF6-n0BpcNqYORFKqOBHfw-lZxMwD9HC62K80

Thank you for FINALLY providing a rationale for your frequent and repetitive
postings regarding Lance, doping, lying, conspiracy, scandals & more.

See, now I've even helped you out in your quest to manipulate the search
engines. Wait.. I'm going to edit your included content and help you out
even more! See what a great guy I am? Always there to lend a helping hand.

Did you get the idea from that earlier Google prank where a search for
"French military victories" came up with "Your search - "French military
victories" - did not match any documents"?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 4:57 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"


On 8/3/2010 5:47 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
> On Aug 3, 3:17 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Although the investigation is ongoing, public opinion may be starting to
>> shift. Words such as "scandal" and "lie" and "steroids" are now the most
>> popular phrases used to describe Armstrong, according to Zeta
>> Interactive, a marketing firm that tracks online sentiments. In 2008,
>> when Armstrong was the fourth-most talked about athlete, words used to
>> describe him included "hero" and "legend" and "Nike" — a reference to
>> one of his main sponsors.
>> "Anyone or anything associated with Lance Armstrong should be very
>> worried right now," Zeta Interactive CEO Al DiGuido said. "He has faced
>> these kinds of allegations before, but the fuel really seems to be
>> kicking in this time."
>> Fifty-eight percent of online sentiments about Armstrong remain
>> positive, according to Zeta's rating system, but that's down from 86
>> percent at the beginning of July and the first time that it has fallen
>> below 60 percent.http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hF6-n0BpcNqYORFKqOB...
>
> Lafferty + obsessive + "needs to get laid" + Lance
Ya need more clients, Boy.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 5:29 pm
From: Cicero Venatio

> Although the investigation is ongoing, public opinion may be starting to
> shift. Words such as "scandal" and "lie" and "steroids" are now the most
> popular phrases used to describe Armstrong

--------------
When I hear the Olsen Twins say Armstrong is a criminal, is when I'll
know that Lance's goose is cooked.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 8:57 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
news:yt2dnXLEzMUjEsXRnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:W_CdnU30srgX5MXRnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Although the investigation is ongoing, public opinion may be starting
>> to shift. Words such as "scandal" and "lie" and "steroids" are now
>> the most popular phrases used to describe Armstrong, according to
>> Zeta Interactive, a marketing firm that tracks online sentiments. In
>> 2008, when Armstrong was the fourth-most talked about athlete, words
>> used to describe him included "h**o" and "l****d" and "N**e" — a
>> reference to one of his main sponsors.
>> "Anyone or anything associated with Lance Armstrong should be very
>> worried right now," Zeta Interactive CEO Al DiGuido said. "He has
>> faced these kinds of allegations before, but the fuel really seems to
>> be kicking in this time."
>> Fifty-eight percent of online sentiments about Armstrong remain
>> positive, according to Zeta's rating system, but that's down from 86
>> percent at the beginning of July and the first time that it has
>> fallen below 60 percent.
>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hF6-n0BpcNqYORFKqOBHfw-lZxMwD9HC62K80
>
> Thank you for FINALLY providing a rationale for your frequent and
> repetitive postings regarding Lance, doping, lying, conspiracy,
> scandals & more.
>
> See, now I've even helped you out in your quest to manipulate the
> search engines. Wait.. I'm going to edit your included content and
> help you out even more! See what a great guy I am? Always there to
> lend a helping hand.
>
> Did you get the idea from that earlier Google prank where a search for
> "French military victories" came up with "Your search - "French
> military victories" - did not match any documents"?

In case I was being too obtuse here, the point I was making was this-

If you say something enough, it DOES become true! (Because search
engines looking for phrases will pick up on that and report it back as
evidence of, say, changing public opinion on something).

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 9:05 pm
From: RicodJour


On Aug 3, 11:57 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
> > "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
> >> Although the investigation is ongoing, public opinion may be starting
> >> to shift. Words such as "scandal" and "lie" and "steroids" are now
> >> the most popular phrases used to describe Armstrong, according to
> >> Zeta Interactive, a marketing firm that tracks online sentiments. In
> >> 2008, when Armstrong was the fourth-most talked about athlete, words
> >> used to describe him included "h**o" and "l****d" and "N**e" — a
> >> reference to one of his main sponsors.
> >> "Anyone or anything associated with Lance Armstrong should be very
> >> worried right now," Zeta Interactive CEO Al DiGuido said. "He has
> >> faced these kinds of allegations before, but the fuel really seems to
> >> be kicking in this time."
> >> Fifty-eight percent of online sentiments about Armstrong remain
> >> positive, according to Zeta's rating system, but that's down from 86
> >> percent at the beginning of July and the first time that it has
> >> fallen below 60 percent.
> >>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hF6-n0BpcNqYORFKqOB...
>
> > Thank you for FINALLY providing a rationale for your frequent and
> > repetitive postings regarding Lance, doping, lying, conspiracy,
> > scandals & more.
>
> > See, now I've even helped you out in your quest to manipulate the
> > search engines. Wait.. I'm going to edit your included content and
> > help you out even more! See what a great guy I am? Always there to
> > lend a helping hand.
>
> > Did you get the idea from that earlier Google prank where a search for
> > "French military victories" came up with "Your search - "French
> > military victories" - did not match any documents"?
>
> In case I was being too obtuse here, the point I was making was this-
>
> If you say something enough, it DOES become true! (Because search
> engines looking for phrases will pick up on that and report it back as
> evidence of, say, changing public opinion on something).

You aren't the obtuse one. People's live are made and broken that
way, and, of course, that's what Laffaroni has been attempting to do
for many years. The sad thing is that what's happening with current
cycling events has, of course, absolutely zilch to do with him, but
he'll take it to mean he's 'winning'.

I guess everybody has to look for success wherever they can find it -
it's just kind of odd to do that at the expense of other people and to
help discredit a sport he supposedly loves. Then again, he has a
track record of doing that. Nice to be on a 'winning' streak, eh?

R

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TOPIC: Henry, Betty, RetardJour, H. Fred, and Fredmaster Closed World Rantings
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a687653b1d2c01b9?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 2:57 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Barry" <Barry@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4c5805c8$1@news.x-privat.org...
>> I have yet to understand the fascination with entricote (rumpsteak).
>
> Entrecôte is rib steak.


Yeah, that's what I meant. Thanks. And it's supposed to be a premium cut,
but every time I've had it it's been anything but.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 6:36 pm
From: "Barry"


>> Entrecôte is rib steak.
>
> Yeah, that's what I meant. Thanks. And it's supposed to be a premium cut,
> but every time I've had it it's been anything but.

In France I always liked the stringier steaks like bavette (part of the flank,
but I'm not sure how it's cut) and onglet (hanger steak). I agree that the
entrecôte is usually not as tender as a rib eye in the US. I think that part
of the reason is that they don't feed cattle as much grain as we do, so the
meat has less marbling. And because of this, the steaks really have to be
left pretty rare ("saignant", or, at most, "à point"), or they get tough.
People who like beef well-done or even medium are usually unhappy with the
steaks in France.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 7:05 pm
From: "H. Fred Kveck"


In article <4c5805c8$1@news.x-privat.org>, "Barry" <Barry@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> > I have yet to understand the fascination with entricote (rumpsteak).
>
> Entrecôte is rib steak.

Entrecôte tastes good.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 9:12 pm
From: Fred


On Aug 2, 7:40 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> To make it easier for others here at rbr to separate out your constant
> internal dialogues attacking Anton and me, please post those dialogues
> here in this thread.  That way we can have fact based discussions about
> events and issues elsewhere in rbr.
>
> Thanks! :-)

You wouldn't recognize a fact based discussion if it reared up and bit
you on the nuts.

Fred

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TOPIC: 9 stitches across knee= 2 weeks off?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae69cf836181b335?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 2:58 pm
From: --D-y


On Aug 3, 4:27 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> Had a good ride with my son this morning; the regular
> Tuesday/Thursday-morning thrashing. Started out a bit slow up the hill
> (Kings Mtn) because he had a small seizure at the start of the ride (he has
> epilepsy, generally controlled, but...) and didn't really get up to speed
> until Skyline. He was, for him, on fire on the back side of Old LaHonda, "on
> the rivet" as they say all the way back up to Skyline.
>
> It was after the ride, on the return home, about half a mile from home on
> the final little descent that he heard something on his bike, looked down,
> and road off the road and down an embankment, bike against tree, Kevin
> against the ground. Unfortunately, his encounter with the ground apparently
> included a strategically-placed rock that sliced his knee open so cleanly it
> looked like something in an anatomy book. Seriously. After cleaning it up at
> the hospital, the patella was *right there.* Pretty gory, pretty cool.
>
> 9 stitches, and they said two weeks off the bike or the stitches could/would
> rip apart. Now, if this were me, I'd be telling them sorry, that's
> unacceptable, there's got to be a way. Looser stitches or something. Hard
> for me to believe a pro cyclist would be off the bike for two weeks because
> of something like this.
>
> Or would they? Anyone have experience with something like this? It's
> frustrating because he's made such amazing progress lately. This is a kid
> that used to be 5'3 and 230 pounds and is not 5'9 and about 181 and still
> moving in the right direction. I don't want to interrupt that process.  :-)

Well, tough luck on the crash. Usually not a good thing but it does
happen to us all, and as I reminded my friend Greg, who is one of the
good ones from around here but had a nasty crash recently "over
nothing", it does happen to us all incl. one Davis Phinney, certainly
one of the best I ever saw (one notable performance in a rainy Pecan
St. crit, Austin, in the old Tour of Texas days), way back in his
prime days reached down to adjust his cyclometer pickup or something
and had himself a very nasty fall, with injury. D'oh!

Sometimes, I've found that riding just makes me hungry and I've done
good weight control (if not recently!) by staying home and being
quiet, just walking the dogs and squelching the calorie intake. That
could work for a young guy with that young guy blast-furnace
metabolism <g>.

Youth, wasted on the young.
--D-y


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 3:01 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Aug 3, 2:27 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> Had a good ride with my son this morning; the regular
> Tuesday/Thursday-morning thrashing. Started out a bit slow up the hill
> (Kings Mtn) because he had a small seizure at the start of the ride (he has
> epilepsy, generally controlled, but...) and didn't really get up to speed
> until Skyline. He was, for him, on fire on the back side of Old LaHonda, "on
> the rivet" as they say all the way back up to Skyline.
>
> It was after the ride, on the return home, about half a mile from home on
> the final little descent that he heard something on his bike, looked down,
> and road off the road and down an embankment, bike against tree, Kevin
> against the ground. Unfortunately, his encounter with the ground apparently
> included a strategically-placed rock that sliced his knee open so cleanly it
> looked like something in an anatomy book. Seriously. After cleaning it up at
> the hospital, the patella was *right there.* Pretty gory, pretty cool.
>
> 9 stitches, and they said two weeks off the bike or the stitches could/would
> rip apart. Now, if this were me, I'd be telling them sorry, that's
> unacceptable, there's got to be a way. Looser stitches or something. Hard
> for me to believe a pro cyclist would be off the bike for two weeks because
> of something like this.
>
> Or would they? Anyone have experience with something like this? It's
> frustrating because he's made such amazing progress lately. This is a kid
> that used to be 5'3 and 230 pounds and is not 5'9 and about 181 and still
> moving in the right direction. I don't want to interrupt that process.  :-)
>
> Sorry I can't add any relevant content regarding doping, but none of the
> many meds he's on have any stimulative qualities whatsoever. Quite the
> opposite. I could provide a list if need be.

Mike,

Step back and have perspective. Two weeks
off the bike is not going to set back a teenager unless
he was trying to peak for the Death Ride in the 3rd
week (I don't even know when the ride is, it was just
an example). I sympathize with your desire to not
see him sitting on a couch, so take him for a long
day hike in Big Basin or something like that - with
fewer knee bends, it'll probably be fine WRT the
stitches. A little variety in outdoor activity is good.

Ben


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 3:02 pm
From: "Steve Freides"


Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> Had a good ride with my son this morning; the regular
> Tuesday/Thursday-morning thrashing. Started out a bit slow up the hill
> (Kings Mtn) because he had a small seizure at the start of the ride
> (he has epilepsy, generally controlled, but...) and didn't really get
> up to speed until Skyline. He was, for him, on fire on the back side
> of Old LaHonda, "on the rivet" as they say all the way back up to
> Skyline.
> It was after the ride, on the return home, about half a mile from
> home on the final little descent that he heard something on his bike,
> looked down, and road off the road and down an embankment, bike
> against tree, Kevin against the ground. Unfortunately, his encounter
> with the ground apparently included a strategically-placed rock that
> sliced his knee open so cleanly it looked like something in an
> anatomy book. Seriously. After cleaning it up at the hospital, the
> patella was *right there.* Pretty gory, pretty cool.
> 9 stitches, and they said two weeks off the bike or the stitches
> could/would rip apart. Now, if this were me, I'd be telling them
> sorry, that's unacceptable, there's got to be a way. Looser stitches
> or something. Hard for me to believe a pro cyclist would be off the
> bike for two weeks because of something like this.

Mike, you seem like a nice guy, but you're off your tree on this one.
The knee bends a lot during the pedal stroke, and two weeks sounds
pretty quick, not too long.

> Or would they? Anyone have experience with something like this? It's
> frustrating because he's made such amazing progress lately. This is a
> kid that used to be 5'3 and 230 pounds and is not 5'9 and about 181
> and still moving in the right direction. I don't want to interrupt
> that process. :-)

A little rest won't hurt him - if he can walk, let him do that, or lift
weights, or whatever. Don't forget that the body needs calories to
heal, too - a few days of nothing is probably what's best, and then you
can see how he feels after that.

-S-


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 3:31 pm
From: "Mark J."


Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Aug 3, 2:27 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>> Had a good ride with my son this morning; the regular
>> Tuesday/Thursday-morning thrashing. Started out a bit slow up the hill
>> (Kings Mtn) because he had a small seizure at the start of the ride (he has
>> epilepsy, generally controlled, but...) and didn't really get up to speed
>> until Skyline. He was, for him, on fire on the back side of Old LaHonda, "on
>> the rivet" as they say all the way back up to Skyline.
>>
>> It was after the ride, on the return home, about half a mile from home on
>> the final little descent that he heard something on his bike, looked down,
>> and road off the road and down an embankment, bike against tree, Kevin
>> against the ground. Unfortunately, his encounter with the ground apparently
>> included a strategically-placed rock that sliced his knee open so cleanly it
>> looked like something in an anatomy book. Seriously. After cleaning it up at
>> the hospital, the patella was *right there.* Pretty gory, pretty cool.
>>
>> 9 stitches, and they said two weeks off the bike or the stitches could/would
>> rip apart. Now, if this were me, I'd be telling them sorry, that's
>> unacceptable, there's got to be a way. Looser stitches or something. Hard
>> for me to believe a pro cyclist would be off the bike for two weeks because
>> of something like this.
>>
>> Or would they? Anyone have experience with something like this? It's
>> frustrating because he's made such amazing progress lately. This is a kid
>> that used to be 5'3 and 230 pounds and is not 5'9 and about 181 and still
>> moving in the right direction. I don't want to interrupt that process. :-)
>>
>> Sorry I can't add any relevant content regarding doping, but none of the
>> many meds he's on have any stimulative qualities whatsoever. Quite the
>> opposite. I could provide a list if need be.
>
> Mike,
>
> Step back and have perspective. Two weeks
> off the bike is not going to set back a teenager unless
> he was trying to peak for the Death Ride in the 3rd
> week (I don't even know when the ride is, it was just
> an example). I sympathize with your desire to not
> see him sitting on a couch, so take him for a long
> day hike in Big Basin or something like that - with
> fewer knee bends, it'll probably be fine WRT the
> stitches. A little variety in outdoor activity is good.
>
> Ben

I'm with Ben. Two weeks is short, but a worsened scar is nearly forever
(and I'm guessing an ugli_er_ scar is the *least* of the evil
side-effects that could come from not following the doctor's orders, not
to mention torn stitches and/or infection).

Take the time to teach him how to build a wheel, or watch or grand tour
tapes or something.

Hope the healing goes well,

Mark J.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 3:50 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Steve Freides" <steve@kbnj.com> wrote in message
news:8bri0eFeb2U1@mid.individual.net...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> Had a good ride with my son this morning; the regular
>> Tuesday/Thursday-morning thrashing. Started out a bit slow up the hill
>> (Kings Mtn) because he had a small seizure at the start of the ride
>> (he has epilepsy, generally controlled, but...) and didn't really get
>> up to speed until Skyline. He was, for him, on fire on the back side
>> of Old LaHonda, "on the rivet" as they say all the way back up to
>> Skyline.
>> It was after the ride, on the return home, about half a mile from
>> home on the final little descent that he heard something on his bike,
>> looked down, and road off the road and down an embankment, bike
>> against tree, Kevin against the ground. Unfortunately, his encounter
>> with the ground apparently included a strategically-placed rock that
>> sliced his knee open so cleanly it looked like something in an
>> anatomy book. Seriously. After cleaning it up at the hospital, the
>> patella was *right there.* Pretty gory, pretty cool.
>> 9 stitches, and they said two weeks off the bike or the stitches
>> could/would rip apart. Now, if this were me, I'd be telling them
>> sorry, that's unacceptable, there's got to be a way. Looser stitches
>> or something. Hard for me to believe a pro cyclist would be off the
>> bike for two weeks because of something like this.
>
> Mike, you seem like a nice guy, but you're off your tree on this one. The
> knee bends a lot during the pedal stroke, and two weeks sounds pretty
> quick, not too long.

Unquestionably I'm off my tree on this one! And I should have been more
clear; what's done is done for Kevin. My question should have been, how
would they have handled this for someone who couldn't afford to not be off
the bike for two weeks? Looser stitches? Different technology? Or is that
just the way it is? (In other words, if it ever happens to *me*, what are my
options?)

It wouldn't even occur to me to ask except for my experience with my broken
wrist (actually the bone at the base of the thumb), where they were going to
cast me for two months. I explained that didn't work for me, and they
brought in a hand surgeon who said no problem, here's what we do, simple
operation, ti screw goes here and you're back to new in two weeks.

Anything that implies I'm a rational person here is a successful cover. I'm
not. On Tuesday & Thursday mornings, I ride. No matter the weather, no
matter how I'm feeling. I don't expect others to behave similarly (although
some do). This, ironically, is what keeps me sane. Something in my world
that I am in total control of and can depend upon.

>> Or would they? Anyone have experience with something like this? It's
>> frustrating because he's made such amazing progress lately. This is a
>> kid that used to be 5'3 and 230 pounds and is not 5'9 and about 181
>> and still moving in the right direction. I don't want to interrupt
>> that process. :-)
>
> A little rest won't hurt him - if he can walk, let him do that, or lift
> weights, or whatever. Don't forget that the body needs calories to heal,
> too - a few days of nothing is probably what's best, and then you can see
> how he feels after that.

When I busted up my left arm in a bike race back in the day... I was 17 I
think, managed to take either the ulna or radius, don't remember which, and
split it lengthwise (don't recommend doing that, by the way), I was off the
bike for two months with large cast & pins. I discovered hiking & walking.
20 miles in a day was no big thing. But I had my legs; Kevin might be up to
that in a few days, but not yet. I just wish there was something he could do
to keep the metabolism going. A week off the bike, sure. Two weeks is a very
long time to have to essentially go on a diet and starve yourself. Plus not
fall into the bad habits that caused him trouble in the past (too many video
games).

He's a really good kid, but has had a pretty tough break (his epilepsy) that
he can't do much about (which had nothing to do with the crash by the way).
Cycling has been that thing in his life that's brought him some degree of
independence plus a transformative effect on his health over the past five
years. It's been a very long and sometimes very tough road, but he hung in
there. As you suspect, I just need to be a bit less anxious about this.
Thanks-

>
> -S-

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 3:53 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Mark J." <MarkUseNet@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:i3a5bp$uue$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>> On Aug 3, 2:27 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>>> Had a good ride with my son this morning; the regular
>>> Tuesday/Thursday-morning thrashing. Started out a bit slow up the hill
>>> (Kings Mtn) because he had a small seizure at the start of the ride (he
>>> has
>>> epilepsy, generally controlled, but...) and didn't really get up to
>>> speed
>>> until Skyline. He was, for him, on fire on the back side of Old LaHonda,
>>> "on
>>> the rivet" as they say all the way back up to Skyline.
>>>
>>> It was after the ride, on the return home, about half a mile from home
>>> on
>>> the final little descent that he heard something on his bike, looked
>>> down,
>>> and road off the road and down an embankment, bike against tree, Kevin
>>> against the ground. Unfortunately, his encounter with the ground
>>> apparently
>>> included a strategically-placed rock that sliced his knee open so
>>> cleanly it
>>> looked like something in an anatomy book. Seriously. After cleaning it
>>> up at
>>> the hospital, the patella was *right there.* Pretty gory, pretty cool.
>>>
>>> 9 stitches, and they said two weeks off the bike or the stitches
>>> could/would
>>> rip apart. Now, if this were me, I'd be telling them sorry, that's
>>> unacceptable, there's got to be a way. Looser stitches or something.
>>> Hard
>>> for me to believe a pro cyclist would be off the bike for two weeks
>>> because
>>> of something like this.
>>>
>>> Or would they? Anyone have experience with something like this? It's
>>> frustrating because he's made such amazing progress lately. This is a
>>> kid
>>> that used to be 5'3 and 230 pounds and is not 5'9 and about 181 and
>>> still
>>> moving in the right direction. I don't want to interrupt that process.
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Sorry I can't add any relevant content regarding doping, but none of the
>>> many meds he's on have any stimulative qualities whatsoever. Quite the
>>> opposite. I could provide a list if need be.
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Step back and have perspective. Two weeks
>> off the bike is not going to set back a teenager unless
>> he was trying to peak for the Death Ride in the 3rd
>> week (I don't even know when the ride is, it was just
>> an example). I sympathize with your desire to not
>> see him sitting on a couch, so take him for a long
>> day hike in Big Basin or something like that - with
>> fewer knee bends, it'll probably be fine WRT the
>> stitches. A little variety in outdoor activity is good.
>>
>> Ben
>
> I'm with Ben. Two weeks is short, but a worsened scar is nearly forever
> (and I'm guessing an ugli_er_ scar is the *least* of the evil side-effects
> that could come from not following the doctor's orders, not to mention
> torn stitches and/or infection).
>
> Take the time to teach him how to build a wheel, or watch or grand tour
> tapes or something.
>
> Hope the healing goes well,
>
> Mark J.

I assume the issue with the scar is flexibility, not appearance. Or have
things changed so much since my days as a kid that a scar is no longer cool?
:-)

As for watching a grand tour tape, we just got back from one in real life.
10 days following the TdF through the Pyrenees and on to Paris. Got to ride
up the Port de Bales, Aubsique and Tourmalet (or all but the final 9k of the
Tourmalet, thanks apparently to Sarkozy and security... grrr...). Very
thankful this happened afterward and not before!

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 4:34 pm
From: --D-y


On Aug 3, 5:50 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8bri0eFeb2U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >> Had a good ride with my son this morning; the regular
> >> Tuesday/Thursday-morning thrashing. Started out a bit slow up the hill
> >> (Kings Mtn) because he had a small seizure at the start of the ride
> >> (he has epilepsy, generally controlled, but...) and didn't really get
> >> up to speed until Skyline. He was, for him, on fire on the back side
> >> of Old LaHonda, "on the rivet" as they say all the way back up to
> >> Skyline.
> >> It was after the ride, on the return home, about half a mile from
> >> home on the final little descent that he heard something on his bike,
> >> looked down, and road off the road and down an embankment, bike
> >> against tree, Kevin against the ground. Unfortunately, his encounter
> >> with the ground apparently included a strategically-placed rock that
> >> sliced his knee open so cleanly it looked like something in an
> >> anatomy book. Seriously. After cleaning it up at the hospital, the
> >> patella was *right there.* Pretty gory, pretty cool.
> >> 9 stitches, and they said two weeks off the bike or the stitches
> >> could/would rip apart. Now, if this were me, I'd be telling them
> >> sorry, that's unacceptable, there's got to be a way. Looser stitches
> >> or something. Hard for me to believe a pro cyclist would be off the
> >> bike for two weeks because of something like this.
>
> > Mike, you seem like a nice guy, but you're off your tree on this one. The
> > knee bends a lot during the pedal stroke, and two weeks sounds pretty
> > quick, not too long.
>
> Unquestionably I'm off my tree on this one! And I should have been more
> clear; what's done is done for Kevin. My question should have been, how
> would they have handled this for someone who couldn't afford to not be off
> the bike for two weeks? Looser stitches? Different technology? Or is that
> just the way it is? (In other words, if it ever happens to *me*, what are my
> options?)
>
> It wouldn't even occur to me to ask except for my experience with my broken
> wrist (actually the bone at the base of the thumb), where they were going to
> cast me for two months. I explained that didn't work for me, and they
> brought in  a hand surgeon who said no problem, here's what we do, simple
> operation, ti screw goes here and you're back to new in two weeks.
>
> Anything that implies I'm a rational person here is a successful cover. I'm
> not. On Tuesday & Thursday mornings, I ride. No matter the weather, no
> matter how I'm feeling. I don't expect others to behave similarly (although
> some do). This, ironically, is what keeps me sane. Something in my world
> that I am in total control of and can depend upon.
>
> >> Or would they? Anyone have experience with something like this? It's
> >> frustrating because he's made such amazing progress lately. This is a
> >> kid that used to be 5'3 and 230 pounds and is not 5'9 and about 181
> >> and still moving in the right direction. I don't want to interrupt
> >> that process.  :-)
>
> > A little rest won't hurt him - if he can walk, let him do that, or lift
> > weights, or whatever.  Don't forget that the body needs calories to heal,
> > too - a few days of nothing is probably what's best, and then you can see
> > how he feels after that.
>
> When I busted up my left arm in a bike race back in the day... I was 17 I
> think, managed to take either the ulna or radius, don't remember which, and
> split it lengthwise (don't recommend doing that, by the way), I was off the
> bike for two months with large cast & pins. I discovered hiking & walking.
> 20 miles in a day was no big thing. But I had my legs; Kevin might be up to
> that in a few days, but not yet. I just wish there was something he could do
> to keep the metabolism going. A week off the bike, sure. Two weeks is a very
> long time to have to essentially go on a diet and starve yourself. Plus not
> fall into the bad habits that caused him trouble in the past (too many video
> games).
>
> He's a really good kid, but has had a pretty tough break (his epilepsy) that
> he can't do much about (which had nothing to do with the crash by the way).
> Cycling has been that thing in his life that's brought him some degree of
> independence plus a transformative effect on his health over the past five
> years. It's been a very long and sometimes very tough road, but he hung in
> there. As you suspect, I just need to be a bit less anxious about this.

Sparing the personal narrative relating to parentally watching a
potentially very serious accident result in only another broken arm
(total of 5 so far, between 2 kids): if you're not a parent, frankly,
you don't have shit to say about this particular kind of anxiety <g>.
Is it possible to get some "gym time", like on exercise machines that
isolate various areas of the body?
--D-y

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 2:59 pm
From: Sneakyfox Pepsifranke


Maybe a pay-for-view in the works?


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 5:34 pm
From: Fred


On Aug 3, 3:59 pm, Sneakyfox Pepsifranke
<sneaky.fox.and.pepsi.fra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe a pay-for-view in the works?

Well, Lance's old friend Chan McRae (sp?) made the switch to MMA.
Maybe he's next?

Fred


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 6:43 pm
From: LawBoy01


On Aug 3, 3:22 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> http://content.usatoday.com/communities/mma/post/2010/08/lance-armstr...
>
> Lance Armstrong did a number of things and he gave himself cancer. He
> cheated, he did drugs, and he gave himself cancer. Well, instead of
> saying 'Hey listen, I cheated and gave myself cancer, don't be like me.'
> He actually made himself the victim and then went out and profited
> something like $15 million dollars from this 'Hey, poor me, let's find a
> cure for cancer' campaign instead of just coming clean and saying,
> 'Look, here's what I did, I screwed myself up, and I hope people learn
> from my mistakes.'--Ultimate Fighting Championship middleweight Chael
> Sonnen
>
> If guys like this are taking shots at Armstron, I'd say he has a PR
> debacle on his hands.

Brian, go jack off with a rope around your neck


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 7:01 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Aug 3, 6:43 pm, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 3:22 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >http://content.usatoday.com/communities/mma/post/2010/08/lance-armstr...
>
> > Lance Armstrong did a number of things and he gave himself cancer. He
> > cheated, he did drugs, and he gave himself cancer. Well, instead of
> > saying 'Hey listen, I cheated and gave myself cancer, don't be like me.'
> > He actually made himself the victim and then went out and profited
> > something like $15 million dollars from this 'Hey, poor me, let's find a
> > cure for cancer' campaign instead of just coming clean and saying,
> > 'Look, here's what I did, I screwed myself up, and I hope people learn
> > from my mistakes.'--Ultimate Fighting Championship middleweight Chael
> > Sonnen
>
> > If guys like this are taking shots at Armstron, I'd say he has a PR
> > debacle on his hands.

Oh no! Even idiots are turning against Armstrong!
He's surely doomed now that he's lost the moron
demographic.

>
> Brian, go jack off with a rope around your neck

Look Phil,

There is no way you can out-outrage Laffatme. He
has a greater supply of moral dudgeon, and irrelevant
comebacks, than a normal person, or even a denizen
of rbr, can ever manage. It would be like trying to drop
a career wheelsucker by riding into the wind.

The only way to manage the situation is with humor.
When you get angry, he gets the better of you, and
worse, you bore me. If it keeps up like this you're
going to be challenging him to meet at the Sausalito
Starbucks, and that plot line is already played out.

Fredmaster Ben


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 7:08 pm
From: LawBoy01


On Aug 3, 9:01 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 6:43 pm, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 3, 3:22 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://content.usatoday.com/communities/mma/post/2010/08/lance-armstr...
>
> > > Lance Armstrong did a number of things and he gave himself cancer. He
> > > cheated, he did drugs, and he gave himself cancer. Well, instead of
> > > saying 'Hey listen, I cheated and gave myself cancer, don't be like me.'
> > > He actually made himself the victim and then went out and profited
> > > something like $15 million dollars from this 'Hey, poor me, let's find a
> > > cure for cancer' campaign instead of just coming clean and saying,
> > > 'Look, here's what I did, I screwed myself up, and I hope people learn
> > > from my mistakes.'--Ultimate Fighting Championship middleweight Chael
> > > Sonnen
>
> > > If guys like this are taking shots at Armstron, I'd say he has a PR
> > > debacle on his hands.
>
> Oh no!  Even idiots are turning against Armstrong!
> He's surely doomed now that he's lost the moron
> demographic.
>
>
>
> > Brian, go jack off with a rope around your neck
>
> Look Phil,
>
> There is no way you can out-outrage Laffatme.  He
> has a greater supply of moral dudgeon, and irrelevant
> comebacks, than a normal person, or even a denizen
> of rbr, can ever manage.  It would be like trying to drop
> a career wheelsucker by riding into the wind.
>
> The only way to manage the situation is with humor.
> When you get angry, he gets the better of you, and
> worse, you bore me.  If it keeps up like this you're
> going to be challenging him to meet at the Sausalito
> Starbucks, and that plot line is already played out.
>
> Fredmaster Ben- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Fred,

I'm not angry, I promise. I'm just hopeful

Ciao,

Philip

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TOPIC: Tim Herman Shoots Lance in the Foot--Again
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 4:21 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"


H. Fred Kveck wrote:
> In article <4c5775f5$1@news.x-privat.org>,
> "K. Fred Gauss" <I@just.dont.know.anymore> wrote:
>
>> When G.W. Bush left office, his approval rating was close to 30%.
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/16/opinion/polls/main4728399.shtml
>
> Reality is sometimes even worse than the way we remember it.

I guess I'm slightly comforted that it got below 25%.

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TOPIC: Contadar signs with Saxo & Riis believes Contador can win all 3 tours
in the same year
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 4:29 pm
From: Randall


I was not to surprised that Contador signed with Saxobank. But it's
hard to fathom that Contador can win all 3 major tours. Contador
seemed as though he was at his limit and was unable to be a patron at
this years tdf. A Giro/TDF may be possible for AC, but he will need a
very strong team to fend off all the constant attacks.
(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-sets-grand-slam-goal-for-new-
signing-contador
)

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 6:15 pm
From: Phil


On Aug 3, 11:28 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 12:55 am, Superfly TNT <superfly-...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/20181343934
>
> But I'll bet it will have some other name.http://www.tourofcolorado.com/
>
> DR

yeah, Maybe they could call
it........................................The Coors Classic


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 6:35 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Aug 3, 7:15 pm, Phil <prh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 11:28 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 3, 12:55 am, Superfly TNT <superfly-...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/20181343934
>
> > But I'll bet it will have some other name.http://www.tourofcolorado.com/
>
> > DR
>
> yeah, Maybe they could call
> it........................................The Coors Classic

Naw. Boring. How 'bout '"Hell of the West?"

DR


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TOPIC: Unions Have Fucked Our Country, Now The 2011 NFL Season!!!
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 2 2010 5:36 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


There will be no 2011 NFL season thanks to greedy the NFL union!!!

mr dude (thanks Commies!!!!!!)


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 5:23 am
From: Husky


On Aug 2, 8:36 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
<foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There will be no 2011 NFL season thanks to greedy the NFL union!!!
>
> mr dude (thanks Commies!!!!!!)

Are you sure it's the unions who are jeopardizing the 2011 season?
Please expand on your statement of how the union is responsible. TIA


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 7:12 am
From: "Bones"

"mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2cd96462-8966-4909-a276-997ab12cb093@c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> There will be no 2011 NFL season thanks to greedy the NFL union!!!
>
> mr dude (thanks Commies!!!!!!)


Certainly, they can present a bill for such services. After all, we're not
Communists. But they must let us draw the water from the well.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 9:03 am
From: NNH@gmail.com


I corrected your post, no need to thank me.


On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:36:02 -0700 (PDT), "mr
dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote:

>There will be no 2011 NFL season thanks to greedy NFL owners!!!
>
>mr dude (thanks Commies!!!!!!)


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 10:14 am
From: Smithee


On Aug 3, 8:23 am, Husky <cyns...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 8:36 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
>
> <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There will be no 2011 NFL season thanks to greedy the NFL union!!!
>
> > mr dude (thanks Commies!!!!!!)
>
> Are you sure it's the unions who are jeopardizing the 2011 season?
> Please expand on your statement of how the union is responsible.  TIA

Dear Lord, are you actually asking Mr. Dude to make sense of his
rambling? You'll get some answer like, "The union is demanding that
slavery be reinstated in Arizona and Illinois and so Barack Obama
won't let grass be grown in those States" or something like that!

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 4:21 pm
From: galen_boyer@yahoo.com


Smithee <ssmith2010@hotmail.com> writes:

> On Aug 3, 8:23 am, Husky <cyns...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 2, 8:36 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
>>
>> <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > There will be no 2011 NFL season thanks to greedy the NFL union!!!
>>
>> > mr dude (thanks Commies!!!!!!)
>>
>> Are you sure it's the unions who are jeopardizing the 2011 season?
>> Please expand on your statement of how the union is responsible.  TIA
>
> Dear Lord, are you actually asking Mr. Dude to make sense of his
> rambling? You'll get some answer like, "The union is demanding that
> slavery be reinstated in Arizona and Illinois and so Barack Obama
> won't let grass be grown in those States" or something like that!
>

That is a great electronic impersonation.

--
Galen Boyer

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== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 5:13 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Aug 3, 1:14 pm, Smithee <ssmith2...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Lord, are you actually asking Mr. Dude to make sense of his
> rambling?  

Your such a pervert that you had sex with your high school teacher!!!

You are a pervert because you were home schooled!!

mr dude


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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 8:55 am
From: PR1@YAHOO.COM


On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:49:22 -0400, "D/" <ivegotta@fish.net> wrote:

>> If the republicans had their way you'd work 45 hours a week,
>> 52 weeks a year and get paid pennies a day.
>>
>
>If the progressives had their way, you'd work 45 hours a week, 52 weeks a
>year, and get paid pennies a day and the government would take it away from
>you.
>
>See how easy it is to make things up? I've noticed a regular pattern from
>the progressives in this group. Projection, accusation, then make up facts
>to suit the blather. Oh, and then <plonk> anyone who doesn't bow to the
>progressive "moral superiority." How sad.
>.

You do realize businesses in the US of A hire illegal aliens for a
reason, so they can be paid pennies a day?

And being illegal they can't complain.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 1:30 pm
From: "D/"

<PR1@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
news:nqeg56duiri8drknskkve2sgaj7u0jlp84@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:49:22 -0400, "D/" <ivegotta@fish.net> wrote:
>
>>> If the republicans had their way you'd work 45 hours a week,
>>> 52 weeks a year and get paid pennies a day.
>>>
>>
>>If the progressives had their way, you'd work 45 hours a week, 52 weeks a
>>year, and get paid pennies a day and the government would take it away
>>from
>>you.
>>
>>See how easy it is to make things up? I've noticed a regular pattern from
>>the progressives in this group. Projection, accusation, then make up
>>facts
>>to suit the blather. Oh, and then <plonk> anyone who doesn't bow to the
>>progressive "moral superiority." How sad.
>>.
>
> You do realize businesses in the US of A hire illegal aliens for a
> reason, so they can be paid pennies a day?
>
> And being illegal they can't complain.

Projection - check.
Accusation - check.
Made up facts - check.
Blather - check.

You forgot to <plonk> me!


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 4:40 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Aug 3, 4:30 pm, "D/" <ivego...@fish.net> wrote:

>
> Projection - check.
> Accusation - check.
> Made up facts - check.
> Blather - check.
>

You forgot feigned indignation and an imaginary superiority.

mr dude


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 5:06 pm
From: "D/"

"mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:02529eca-bfeb-411f-a166-4535483faf8b@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 3, 4:30 pm, "D/" <ivego...@fish.net> wrote:

>
> Projection - check.
> Accusation - check.
> Made up facts - check.
> Blather - check.
>

You forgot feigned indignation and an imaginary superiority.

mr dude

Oops! I'll add this to my analysis!


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 7:12 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Aug 3, 8:06 pm, "D/" <ivego...@fish.net> wrote:

>
> You forgot feigned indignation and an imaginary superiority.
>
> mr dude
>
> Oops!  I'll add this to my analysis!

I'll add your Mom to my analysis.

mr dude (not that I haven't already analyzed her)


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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 8:59 am
From: ZZH770@yahoo.com


On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:21:55 -0700 (PDT), "mr
dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Aug 2, 11:55 am, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> today its we can shut a factory in Iowa that pay $15 an hour and ship the
>> jobs to Vietnam where the pay is 25 cents an hour. so even if the American
>> workers took a 50% or even 75% pay cut Vietnam is still a better deal for
>> Wall Street. that is economics 101.
>
>Once again no grasp of economics. The jobs are shipped overseas
>because of the high tax burdens Democrats have imposed on US
>corporations.
Wrong. The jobs are shipped overseas so they corporation can
pay less.

Why pay someone $15 an hour when you can pay them
25 cents a day in another country?

Why pay someone $15 an hour when the corporation
can buy a kid for $16 in a country like India and then
work that kid for no pay?


>
>Why pay a 35% tax (doesn't include all the taxes the corporation pays
>for it's employees) in the US when in Hong Kong it is 16.5%???
>
>It's NOT the wages of the workers, it is the punitive taxation by the
>Imperial US federal government!
>
>mr dude


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 9:02 am
From: ZZH770@yahoo.com


On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:25:50 -0700 (PDT), "mr
dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Aug 2, 11:55 am, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  its not the poor who are stealing everything. if they were they wouldn't be
>> poor.
>
>We pay for their food stamps, their section 8 housing, their medical
>bills, their crime, their children's education and they are NOT
>stealing from us???????
>
>We pay for all their shit!
>
>Unbelievable. mr dude
>
You notice how republicans will bitch about some woman getting a few
hundred dollars to feed her kids but won't bat an eye at corporate
welfare, i.e. xxxxxx corporation is paid billions of dollars for a
planes that won't fly or a guns that won't shoot.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 6:59 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Aug 3, 11:59 am, ZZH...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
>
> Why pay someone $15 an hour when you can pay them
> 25 cents a day in another country?

So you would have a kid starve to death, in India???

25 cents is a ton of money in India!!

Why do hate children?????

mr dude (hates kid haters)


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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 10:37 am
From: Not Sure


On Aug 3, 8:22 am, "Michael Laudahn eOpposition"
<nuke.islamis...@your.earliest.conv> wrote:
> *Message and author protected by the 1st amendment (free speech) and similar
> constitutional provisions. Violations of this provision through actions by
> judiciary and other government criminals will be prosecuted as soon as
> conditions permit.*
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1299799/Mutilated-T...
>
> --
> Unter blinden ist der einäugige könig.   >.)
>
> Don't discuss with mohammedan intruders THEIR subjects (mohammedanism & co).
> Insist on OUR subjects. So ask them: 'What do you do here in OUR country?
> Why aren't you in YOUR country working?' Repeat asking. Don't permit them
> any changes of subject nor discussions.

Uh oh, how is clouddipshit going to explain away this one? :)


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 1:59 pm
From: "Ray OHara"

"Not Sure" <fred1321123@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e2caf17b-990c-42f5-9eff-4fa3794e6071@g6g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 3, 8:22 am, "Michael Laudahn eOpposition"
<nuke.islamis...@your.earliest.conv> wrote:
> *Message and author protected by the 1st amendment (free speech) and
> similar
> constitutional provisions. Violations of this provision through actions by
> judiciary and other government criminals will be prosecuted as soon as
> conditions permit.*
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1299799/Mutilated-T...
>
> --
> Unter blinden ist der einäugige könig. >.)
>
> Don't discuss with mohammedan intruders THEIR subjects (mohammedanism &
> co).
> Insist on OUR subjects. So ask them: 'What do you do here in OUR country?
> Why aren't you in YOUR country working?' Repeat asking. Don't permit them
> any changes of subject nor discussions.

Uh oh, how is clouddipshit going to explain away this one? :)


===============================================================

It was Bush who allowed Bin Laden to escape and the Taliban to survive.
so why don't you explain it away.
after all its your side that allowed this to happen not the liberals.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 3:08 pm
From: CalC


On Aug 3, 4:59 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Not Sure" <fred1321...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e2caf17b-990c-42f5-9eff-4fa3794e6071@g6g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 3, 8:22 am, "Michael Laudahn eOpposition"
>
>
>
> <nuke.islamis...@your.earliest.conv> wrote:
> > *Message and author protected by the 1st amendment (free speech) and
> > similar
> > constitutional provisions. Violations of this provision through actions by
> > judiciary and other government criminals will be prosecuted as soon as
> > conditions permit.*
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1299799/Mutilated-T...
>
> > --
> > Unter blinden ist der einäugige könig. >.)
>
> > Don't discuss with mohammedan intruders THEIR subjects (mohammedanism &
> > co).
> > Insist on OUR subjects. So ask them: 'What do you do here in OUR country?
> > Why aren't you in YOUR country working?' Repeat asking. Don't permit them
> > any changes of subject nor discussions.
>
> Uh oh, how is clouddipshit going to explain away this one? :)
>
> ===============================================================
>
> It was Bush who allowed Bin Laden to escape and the Taliban to survive.
> so why don't you explain it away.
> after all its your side that allowed this to happen not the liberals.

Right Ray the same Liberals like the pussies at moveon.org,
huffingtonpost and dailykhost that didn't want to go to Afghanistan to
begin with....or the race baiting punk asses like Reverend Wright who
blamed us for the attacks? Just to be clear the real National Security
Hawks like you and your ilk who had a real plan for the war and no Ray
I don't mean an exit plan.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 4:19 pm
From: Taylor


On Aug 3, 1:37 pm, Not Sure <fred1321...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 8:22 am, "Michael Laudahn eOpposition"
>
> <nuke.islamis...@your.earliest.conv> wrote:
> > *Message and author protected by the 1st amendment (free speech) and similar
> > constitutional provisions. Violations of this provision through actions by
> > judiciary and other government criminals will be prosecuted as soon as
> > conditions permit.*
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1299799/Mutilated-T...
>
> > --
> > Unter blinden ist der einäugige könig.   >.)
>
> > Don't discuss with mohammedan intruders THEIR subjects (mohammedanism & co).
> > Insist on OUR subjects. So ask them: 'What do you do here in OUR country?
> > Why aren't you in YOUR country working?' Repeat asking. Don't permit them
> > any changes of subject nor discussions.
>
> Uh oh, how is clouddipshit going to explain away this one? :)

Stop Mutilation!

http://www.mgmbill.org/

http://www.stopthecut.org/

_________________________
http://www.mediamatters.org/


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 4:36 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Aug 3, 4:59 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> It was Bush who allowed Bin Laden to escape and the Taliban to survive.
> so why don't you explain it away.
> after all its your side that allowed this to happen not the liberals.

Bin Laden was going to be handled to Bubba Clinton three times!!!

Each time he refused!!! He was too busy forcibly shoving his cock down
the throat of a girl his daughter's age.

mr dude


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 1:39 pm
From: "D/"


Any bets that his ankle will be feeling better after training camp is over?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2010/08/03/2010-08-03_source_favre_tells_vikings_hes_done.html

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 5:49 pm
From: Phat Black Pigs


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/health/nutrition/04fat.html

Americans are continuing to get fatter and fatter, with obesity rates
reaching 30 percent or more in nine states last year, as opposed to only
three states in 2007, health officials reported on Tuesday.

The increases mean that 2.4 million more people became obese from 2007
to 2009, bringing the total to 72.5 million, or 26.7 percent of the
population. The numbers are part of a continuing and ominous trend.

But the rates are probably underestimates because they are based on a
phone survey in which 400,000 participants were asked their weight and
height instead of having it measured by someone else, and people have a
notorious tendency to describe themselves as taller and lighter than
they really are.

"Over the past several decades, obesity has increased faster than anyone
could have imagined it would," said Dr. Thomas Frieden, the director of
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which issued a report on
the prevalence of obesity. Obesity rates have doubled in adults and
tripled in children in recent decades, Dr. Frieden said.

If the numbers keep going up, he added, "more people will get sick and
die from the complications of obesity, such as heart disease, stroke,
diabetes and cancer."

The report estimates the medical costs of obesity to be as high as $147
billion a year, and notes that "past efforts and investments to prevent
and control obesity have not been adequate."

Researchers blame the usual suspects: too little exercise and too much
of the wrong kind of food, which means not enough fruits and vegetables
and too many high-calorie meals full of sugar and fat, like French
fries, soda and other sweet drinks. Children do not get enough exercise
during the school day; Dr. Frieden noted that even in gym classes,
students are active for only about a third of the time.

A 5-foot-4-inch woman is obese if she weighs 174 pounds, as is a
5-foot-10-inch man who weights 209 or more, according to the disease
centers. Both would have a body-mass index, or BMI, of 30; that index is
calculated from height and weight, and scores of 30 or over are defined
as obese.

The nine states with obesity rates of 30 percent or more are Alabama,
Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma,
Tennessee and West Virginia. The highest rate, 34.4 percent, was in
Mississippi.

People over 50 had higher rates of obesity than those who were younger.
The aging of the population may account for some of the general increase
in obesity, but not all of it, said Dr. Heidi Blanck, chief of the
disease centers' obesity branch of the division of nutrition, physical
activity and obesity.

Non-Hispanic black women had the highest obesity rate, 41.9 percent.
Over all, blacks and Hispanics were more likely than whites to be obese,
and the more education people had, the less likely they were to be
heavy.

Only Colorado and Washington, D.C., had obesity rates under 20 percent.
Researchers are not sure why. Dr. William Dietz, director of the
nutrition, physical activity and obesity division, said that Colorado
had spent money from a state lottery on biking and walking trails and
that many people were using them. The state seems to have "a culture of
physical activity," he said.

Dr. Dietz said the relatively low prevalence of obesity in Washington
was harder to explain, particularly because the area has a large black
population.

He said one explanation may be that many residents ride the subway;
studies have shown that compared with people who drive, those who use
public transportation tend to be thinner because it involves more
walking. In addition, Dr. Dietz said, there is evidence of above-average
fruit and vegetable consumption, and higher rates of breast-feeding,
both of which are linked to lower rates of obesity.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 6:15 pm
From: tripletask@gmail..com


I note that 41.1% of niggah sows are obese.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 7:41 pm
From: Jim


On 03 Aug 2010, Wildhare <themouthofsauron1960@hotmail.com> posted some
news:18cbc476-824c-45b8-a763-23a62014b683@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:

froups restored.

> On Aug 3, 9:15 pm, tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
>> I note that 41.1% of niggah sows are obese.
>
> I guess reading comprehension is tough to come by in your tribe. Read
> "41.9%"
>
> According to the article you must also be a fat fuck as the less
> edumacated tend also to be heavy as well.
>
> W.

At least he ain't a fat mexican nigger lover.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 5:49 pm
From: Bill Buttcheck


http://www.queerty.com/european-court-of-human-rights-there-is-no-
universal-right-to-gay-marriage-20100625/


The European Court of Human Rights, the Council of Europe's international
judicial body in France, will not force its 47 member states to legalize
same-sex marriage across the board, denying an appeal from two men who
claimed Austria violated their right to be free from discrimination.

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