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Today's topics:
* Public Opinion Is Shifting - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b0b7fbbfb8d08d8e?hl=en
* Henry, Betty, RetardJour, H. Fred, and Fredmaster Closed World Rantings - 4
messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a687653b1d2c01b9?hl=en
* 9 stitches across knee= 2 weeks off? - 7 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae69cf836181b335?hl=en
* Trash Talk From A Non-Medical Source - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d00173f818ef262f?hl=en
* Tim Herman Shoots Lance in the Foot--Again - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1413a9c7dd9b5314?hl=en
* Contadar signs with Saxo & Riis believes Contador can win all 3 tours in the
same year - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4ac329cad1bbff35?hl=en
* Tour of Colorado??? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1bf065b99a72d6a2?hl=en
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TOPIC: Public Opinion Is Shifting
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b0b7fbbfb8d08d8e?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 2:53 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:W_CdnU30srgX5MXRnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Although the investigation is ongoing, public opinion may be starting to
> shift. Words such as "scandal" and "lie" and "steroids" are now the most
> popular phrases used to describe Armstrong, according to Zeta Interactive,
> a marketing firm that tracks online sentiments. In 2008, when Armstrong
> was the fourth-most talked about athlete, words used to describe him
> included "h**o" and "l****d" and "N**e" — a reference to one of his main
> sponsors.
> "Anyone or anything associated with Lance Armstrong should be very worried
> right now," Zeta Interactive CEO Al DiGuido said. "He has faced these
> kinds of allegations before, but the fuel really seems to be kicking in
> this time."
> Fifty-eight percent of online sentiments about Armstrong remain positive,
> according to Zeta's rating system, but that's down from 86 percent at the
> beginning of July and the first time that it has fallen below 60 percent.
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hF6-n0BpcNqYORFKqOBHfw-lZxMwD9HC62K80
Thank you for FINALLY providing a rationale for your frequent and repetitive
postings regarding Lance, doping, lying, conspiracy, scandals & more.
See, now I've even helped you out in your quest to manipulate the search
engines. Wait.. I'm going to edit your included content and help you out
even more! See what a great guy I am? Always there to lend a helping hand.
Did you get the idea from that earlier Google prank where a search for
"French military victories" came up with "Your search - "French military
victories" - did not match any documents"?
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 4:57 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 8/3/2010 5:47 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
> On Aug 3, 3:17 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Although the investigation is ongoing, public opinion may be starting to
>> shift. Words such as "scandal" and "lie" and "steroids" are now the most
>> popular phrases used to describe Armstrong, according to Zeta
>> Interactive, a marketing firm that tracks online sentiments. In 2008,
>> when Armstrong was the fourth-most talked about athlete, words used to
>> describe him included "hero" and "legend" and "Nike" — a reference to
>> one of his main sponsors.
>> "Anyone or anything associated with Lance Armstrong should be very
>> worried right now," Zeta Interactive CEO Al DiGuido said. "He has faced
>> these kinds of allegations before, but the fuel really seems to be
>> kicking in this time."
>> Fifty-eight percent of online sentiments about Armstrong remain
>> positive, according to Zeta's rating system, but that's down from 86
>> percent at the beginning of July and the first time that it has fallen
>> below 60 percent.http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hF6-n0BpcNqYORFKqOB...
>
> Lafferty + obsessive + "needs to get laid" + Lance
Ya need more clients, Boy.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 5:29 pm
From: Cicero Venatio
> Although the investigation is ongoing, public opinion may be starting to
> shift. Words such as "scandal" and "lie" and "steroids" are now the most
> popular phrases used to describe Armstrong
--------------
When I hear the Olsen Twins say Armstrong is a criminal, is when I'll
know that Lance's goose is cooked.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 8:57 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
news:yt2dnXLEzMUjEsXRnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:W_CdnU30srgX5MXRnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Although the investigation is ongoing, public opinion may be starting
>> to shift. Words such as "scandal" and "lie" and "steroids" are now
>> the most popular phrases used to describe Armstrong, according to
>> Zeta Interactive, a marketing firm that tracks online sentiments. In
>> 2008, when Armstrong was the fourth-most talked about athlete, words
>> used to describe him included "h**o" and "l****d" and "N**e" — a
>> reference to one of his main sponsors.
>> "Anyone or anything associated with Lance Armstrong should be very
>> worried right now," Zeta Interactive CEO Al DiGuido said. "He has
>> faced these kinds of allegations before, but the fuel really seems to
>> be kicking in this time."
>> Fifty-eight percent of online sentiments about Armstrong remain
>> positive, according to Zeta's rating system, but that's down from 86
>> percent at the beginning of July and the first time that it has
>> fallen below 60 percent.
>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hF6-n0BpcNqYORFKqOBHfw-lZxMwD9HC62K80
>
> Thank you for FINALLY providing a rationale for your frequent and
> repetitive postings regarding Lance, doping, lying, conspiracy,
> scandals & more.
>
> See, now I've even helped you out in your quest to manipulate the
> search engines. Wait.. I'm going to edit your included content and
> help you out even more! See what a great guy I am? Always there to
> lend a helping hand.
>
> Did you get the idea from that earlier Google prank where a search for
> "French military victories" came up with "Your search - "French
> military victories" - did not match any documents"?
In case I was being too obtuse here, the point I was making was this-
If you say something enough, it DOES become true! (Because search
engines looking for phrases will pick up on that and report it back as
evidence of, say, changing public opinion on something).
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 9:05 pm
From: RicodJour
On Aug 3, 11:57 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
> > "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
> >> Although the investigation is ongoing, public opinion may be starting
> >> to shift. Words such as "scandal" and "lie" and "steroids" are now
> >> the most popular phrases used to describe Armstrong, according to
> >> Zeta Interactive, a marketing firm that tracks online sentiments. In
> >> 2008, when Armstrong was the fourth-most talked about athlete, words
> >> used to describe him included "h**o" and "l****d" and "N**e" — a
> >> reference to one of his main sponsors.
> >> "Anyone or anything associated with Lance Armstrong should be very
> >> worried right now," Zeta Interactive CEO Al DiGuido said. "He has
> >> faced these kinds of allegations before, but the fuel really seems to
> >> be kicking in this time."
> >> Fifty-eight percent of online sentiments about Armstrong remain
> >> positive, according to Zeta's rating system, but that's down from 86
> >> percent at the beginning of July and the first time that it has
> >> fallen below 60 percent.
> >>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hF6-n0BpcNqYORFKqOB...
>
> > Thank you for FINALLY providing a rationale for your frequent and
> > repetitive postings regarding Lance, doping, lying, conspiracy,
> > scandals & more.
>
> > See, now I've even helped you out in your quest to manipulate the
> > search engines. Wait.. I'm going to edit your included content and
> > help you out even more! See what a great guy I am? Always there to
> > lend a helping hand.
>
> > Did you get the idea from that earlier Google prank where a search for
> > "French military victories" came up with "Your search - "French
> > military victories" - did not match any documents"?
>
> In case I was being too obtuse here, the point I was making was this-
>
> If you say something enough, it DOES become true! (Because search
> engines looking for phrases will pick up on that and report it back as
> evidence of, say, changing public opinion on something).
You aren't the obtuse one. People's live are made and broken that
way, and, of course, that's what Laffaroni has been attempting to do
for many years. The sad thing is that what's happening with current
cycling events has, of course, absolutely zilch to do with him, but
he'll take it to mean he's 'winning'.
I guess everybody has to look for success wherever they can find it -
it's just kind of odd to do that at the expense of other people and to
help discredit a sport he supposedly loves. Then again, he has a
track record of doing that. Nice to be on a 'winning' streak, eh?
R
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TOPIC: Henry, Betty, RetardJour, H. Fred, and Fredmaster Closed World Rantings
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a687653b1d2c01b9?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 2:57 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"Barry" <Barry@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4c5805c8$1@news.x-privat.org...
>> I have yet to understand the fascination with entricote (rumpsteak).
>
> Entrecôte is rib steak.
Yeah, that's what I meant. Thanks. And it's supposed to be a premium cut,
but every time I've had it it's been anything but.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 6:36 pm
From: "Barry"
>> Entrecôte is rib steak.
>
> Yeah, that's what I meant. Thanks. And it's supposed to be a premium cut,
> but every time I've had it it's been anything but.
In France I always liked the stringier steaks like bavette (part of the flank,
but I'm not sure how it's cut) and onglet (hanger steak). I agree that the
entrecôte is usually not as tender as a rib eye in the US. I think that part
of the reason is that they don't feed cattle as much grain as we do, so the
meat has less marbling. And because of this, the steaks really have to be
left pretty rare ("saignant", or, at most, "à point"), or they get tough.
People who like beef well-done or even medium are usually unhappy with the
steaks in France.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 7:05 pm
From: "H. Fred Kveck"
In article <4c5805c8$1@news.x-privat.org>, "Barry" <Barry@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > I have yet to understand the fascination with entricote (rumpsteak).
>
> Entrecôte is rib steak.
Entrecôte tastes good.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 9:12 pm
From: Fred
On Aug 2, 7:40 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> To make it easier for others here at rbr to separate out your constant
> internal dialogues attacking Anton and me, please post those dialogues
> here in this thread. That way we can have fact based discussions about
> events and issues elsewhere in rbr.
>
> Thanks! :-)
You wouldn't recognize a fact based discussion if it reared up and bit
you on the nuts.
Fred
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TOPIC: 9 stitches across knee= 2 weeks off?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ae69cf836181b335?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 2:58 pm
From: --D-y
On Aug 3, 4:27 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> Had a good ride with my son this morning; the regular
> Tuesday/Thursday-morning thrashing. Started out a bit slow up the hill
> (Kings Mtn) because he had a small seizure at the start of the ride (he has
> epilepsy, generally controlled, but...) and didn't really get up to speed
> until Skyline. He was, for him, on fire on the back side of Old LaHonda, "on
> the rivet" as they say all the way back up to Skyline.
>
> It was after the ride, on the return home, about half a mile from home on
> the final little descent that he heard something on his bike, looked down,
> and road off the road and down an embankment, bike against tree, Kevin
> against the ground. Unfortunately, his encounter with the ground apparently
> included a strategically-placed rock that sliced his knee open so cleanly it
> looked like something in an anatomy book. Seriously. After cleaning it up at
> the hospital, the patella was *right there.* Pretty gory, pretty cool.
>
> 9 stitches, and they said two weeks off the bike or the stitches could/would
> rip apart. Now, if this were me, I'd be telling them sorry, that's
> unacceptable, there's got to be a way. Looser stitches or something. Hard
> for me to believe a pro cyclist would be off the bike for two weeks because
> of something like this.
>
> Or would they? Anyone have experience with something like this? It's
> frustrating because he's made such amazing progress lately. This is a kid
> that used to be 5'3 and 230 pounds and is not 5'9 and about 181 and still
> moving in the right direction. I don't want to interrupt that process. :-)
Well, tough luck on the crash. Usually not a good thing but it does
happen to us all, and as I reminded my friend Greg, who is one of the
good ones from around here but had a nasty crash recently "over
nothing", it does happen to us all incl. one Davis Phinney, certainly
one of the best I ever saw (one notable performance in a rainy Pecan
St. crit, Austin, in the old Tour of Texas days), way back in his
prime days reached down to adjust his cyclometer pickup or something
and had himself a very nasty fall, with injury. D'oh!
Sometimes, I've found that riding just makes me hungry and I've done
good weight control (if not recently!) by staying home and being
quiet, just walking the dogs and squelching the calorie intake. That
could work for a young guy with that young guy blast-furnace
metabolism <g>.
Youth, wasted on the young.
--D-y
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 3:01 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Aug 3, 2:27 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> Had a good ride with my son this morning; the regular
> Tuesday/Thursday-morning thrashing. Started out a bit slow up the hill
> (Kings Mtn) because he had a small seizure at the start of the ride (he has
> epilepsy, generally controlled, but...) and didn't really get up to speed
> until Skyline. He was, for him, on fire on the back side of Old LaHonda, "on
> the rivet" as they say all the way back up to Skyline.
>
> It was after the ride, on the return home, about half a mile from home on
> the final little descent that he heard something on his bike, looked down,
> and road off the road and down an embankment, bike against tree, Kevin
> against the ground. Unfortunately, his encounter with the ground apparently
> included a strategically-placed rock that sliced his knee open so cleanly it
> looked like something in an anatomy book. Seriously. After cleaning it up at
> the hospital, the patella was *right there.* Pretty gory, pretty cool.
>
> 9 stitches, and they said two weeks off the bike or the stitches could/would
> rip apart. Now, if this were me, I'd be telling them sorry, that's
> unacceptable, there's got to be a way. Looser stitches or something. Hard
> for me to believe a pro cyclist would be off the bike for two weeks because
> of something like this.
>
> Or would they? Anyone have experience with something like this? It's
> frustrating because he's made such amazing progress lately. This is a kid
> that used to be 5'3 and 230 pounds and is not 5'9 and about 181 and still
> moving in the right direction. I don't want to interrupt that process. :-)
>
> Sorry I can't add any relevant content regarding doping, but none of the
> many meds he's on have any stimulative qualities whatsoever. Quite the
> opposite. I could provide a list if need be.
Mike,
Step back and have perspective. Two weeks
off the bike is not going to set back a teenager unless
he was trying to peak for the Death Ride in the 3rd
week (I don't even know when the ride is, it was just
an example). I sympathize with your desire to not
see him sitting on a couch, so take him for a long
day hike in Big Basin or something like that - with
fewer knee bends, it'll probably be fine WRT the
stitches. A little variety in outdoor activity is good.
Ben
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 3:02 pm
From: "Steve Freides"
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> Had a good ride with my son this morning; the regular
> Tuesday/Thursday-morning thrashing. Started out a bit slow up the hill
> (Kings Mtn) because he had a small seizure at the start of the ride
> (he has epilepsy, generally controlled, but...) and didn't really get
> up to speed until Skyline. He was, for him, on fire on the back side
> of Old LaHonda, "on the rivet" as they say all the way back up to
> Skyline.
> It was after the ride, on the return home, about half a mile from
> home on the final little descent that he heard something on his bike,
> looked down, and road off the road and down an embankment, bike
> against tree, Kevin against the ground. Unfortunately, his encounter
> with the ground apparently included a strategically-placed rock that
> sliced his knee open so cleanly it looked like something in an
> anatomy book. Seriously. After cleaning it up at the hospital, the
> patella was *right there.* Pretty gory, pretty cool.
> 9 stitches, and they said two weeks off the bike or the stitches
> could/would rip apart. Now, if this were me, I'd be telling them
> sorry, that's unacceptable, there's got to be a way. Looser stitches
> or something. Hard for me to believe a pro cyclist would be off the
> bike for two weeks because of something like this.
Mike, you seem like a nice guy, but you're off your tree on this one.
The knee bends a lot during the pedal stroke, and two weeks sounds
pretty quick, not too long.
> Or would they? Anyone have experience with something like this? It's
> frustrating because he's made such amazing progress lately. This is a
> kid that used to be 5'3 and 230 pounds and is not 5'9 and about 181
> and still moving in the right direction. I don't want to interrupt
> that process. :-)
A little rest won't hurt him - if he can walk, let him do that, or lift
weights, or whatever. Don't forget that the body needs calories to
heal, too - a few days of nothing is probably what's best, and then you
can see how he feels after that.
-S-
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 3:31 pm
From: "Mark J."
Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Aug 3, 2:27 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>> Had a good ride with my son this morning; the regular
>> Tuesday/Thursday-morning thrashing. Started out a bit slow up the hill
>> (Kings Mtn) because he had a small seizure at the start of the ride (he has
>> epilepsy, generally controlled, but...) and didn't really get up to speed
>> until Skyline. He was, for him, on fire on the back side of Old LaHonda, "on
>> the rivet" as they say all the way back up to Skyline.
>>
>> It was after the ride, on the return home, about half a mile from home on
>> the final little descent that he heard something on his bike, looked down,
>> and road off the road and down an embankment, bike against tree, Kevin
>> against the ground. Unfortunately, his encounter with the ground apparently
>> included a strategically-placed rock that sliced his knee open so cleanly it
>> looked like something in an anatomy book. Seriously. After cleaning it up at
>> the hospital, the patella was *right there.* Pretty gory, pretty cool.
>>
>> 9 stitches, and they said two weeks off the bike or the stitches could/would
>> rip apart. Now, if this were me, I'd be telling them sorry, that's
>> unacceptable, there's got to be a way. Looser stitches or something. Hard
>> for me to believe a pro cyclist would be off the bike for two weeks because
>> of something like this.
>>
>> Or would they? Anyone have experience with something like this? It's
>> frustrating because he's made such amazing progress lately. This is a kid
>> that used to be 5'3 and 230 pounds and is not 5'9 and about 181 and still
>> moving in the right direction. I don't want to interrupt that process. :-)
>>
>> Sorry I can't add any relevant content regarding doping, but none of the
>> many meds he's on have any stimulative qualities whatsoever. Quite the
>> opposite. I could provide a list if need be.
>
> Mike,
>
> Step back and have perspective. Two weeks
> off the bike is not going to set back a teenager unless
> he was trying to peak for the Death Ride in the 3rd
> week (I don't even know when the ride is, it was just
> an example). I sympathize with your desire to not
> see him sitting on a couch, so take him for a long
> day hike in Big Basin or something like that - with
> fewer knee bends, it'll probably be fine WRT the
> stitches. A little variety in outdoor activity is good.
>
> Ben
I'm with Ben. Two weeks is short, but a worsened scar is nearly forever
(and I'm guessing an ugli_er_ scar is the *least* of the evil
side-effects that could come from not following the doctor's orders, not
to mention torn stitches and/or infection).
Take the time to teach him how to build a wheel, or watch or grand tour
tapes or something.
Hope the healing goes well,
Mark J.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 3:50 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"Steve Freides" <steve@kbnj.com> wrote in message
news:8bri0eFeb2U1@mid.individual.net...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> Had a good ride with my son this morning; the regular
>> Tuesday/Thursday-morning thrashing. Started out a bit slow up the hill
>> (Kings Mtn) because he had a small seizure at the start of the ride
>> (he has epilepsy, generally controlled, but...) and didn't really get
>> up to speed until Skyline. He was, for him, on fire on the back side
>> of Old LaHonda, "on the rivet" as they say all the way back up to
>> Skyline.
>> It was after the ride, on the return home, about half a mile from
>> home on the final little descent that he heard something on his bike,
>> looked down, and road off the road and down an embankment, bike
>> against tree, Kevin against the ground. Unfortunately, his encounter
>> with the ground apparently included a strategically-placed rock that
>> sliced his knee open so cleanly it looked like something in an
>> anatomy book. Seriously. After cleaning it up at the hospital, the
>> patella was *right there.* Pretty gory, pretty cool.
>> 9 stitches, and they said two weeks off the bike or the stitches
>> could/would rip apart. Now, if this were me, I'd be telling them
>> sorry, that's unacceptable, there's got to be a way. Looser stitches
>> or something. Hard for me to believe a pro cyclist would be off the
>> bike for two weeks because of something like this.
>
> Mike, you seem like a nice guy, but you're off your tree on this one. The
> knee bends a lot during the pedal stroke, and two weeks sounds pretty
> quick, not too long.
Unquestionably I'm off my tree on this one! And I should have been more
clear; what's done is done for Kevin. My question should have been, how
would they have handled this for someone who couldn't afford to not be off
the bike for two weeks? Looser stitches? Different technology? Or is that
just the way it is? (In other words, if it ever happens to *me*, what are my
options?)
It wouldn't even occur to me to ask except for my experience with my broken
wrist (actually the bone at the base of the thumb), where they were going to
cast me for two months. I explained that didn't work for me, and they
brought in a hand surgeon who said no problem, here's what we do, simple
operation, ti screw goes here and you're back to new in two weeks.
Anything that implies I'm a rational person here is a successful cover. I'm
not. On Tuesday & Thursday mornings, I ride. No matter the weather, no
matter how I'm feeling. I don't expect others to behave similarly (although
some do). This, ironically, is what keeps me sane. Something in my world
that I am in total control of and can depend upon.
>> Or would they? Anyone have experience with something like this? It's
>> frustrating because he's made such amazing progress lately. This is a
>> kid that used to be 5'3 and 230 pounds and is not 5'9 and about 181
>> and still moving in the right direction. I don't want to interrupt
>> that process. :-)
>
> A little rest won't hurt him - if he can walk, let him do that, or lift
> weights, or whatever. Don't forget that the body needs calories to heal,
> too - a few days of nothing is probably what's best, and then you can see
> how he feels after that.
When I busted up my left arm in a bike race back in the day... I was 17 I
think, managed to take either the ulna or radius, don't remember which, and
split it lengthwise (don't recommend doing that, by the way), I was off the
bike for two months with large cast & pins. I discovered hiking & walking.
20 miles in a day was no big thing. But I had my legs; Kevin might be up to
that in a few days, but not yet. I just wish there was something he could do
to keep the metabolism going. A week off the bike, sure. Two weeks is a very
long time to have to essentially go on a diet and starve yourself. Plus not
fall into the bad habits that caused him trouble in the past (too many video
games).
He's a really good kid, but has had a pretty tough break (his epilepsy) that
he can't do much about (which had nothing to do with the crash by the way).
Cycling has been that thing in his life that's brought him some degree of
independence plus a transformative effect on his health over the past five
years. It's been a very long and sometimes very tough road, but he hung in
there. As you suspect, I just need to be a bit less anxious about this.
Thanks-
>
> -S-
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 3:53 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"Mark J." <MarkUseNet@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:i3a5bp$uue$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>> On Aug 3, 2:27 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>>> Had a good ride with my son this morning; the regular
>>> Tuesday/Thursday-morning thrashing. Started out a bit slow up the hill
>>> (Kings Mtn) because he had a small seizure at the start of the ride (he
>>> has
>>> epilepsy, generally controlled, but...) and didn't really get up to
>>> speed
>>> until Skyline. He was, for him, on fire on the back side of Old LaHonda,
>>> "on
>>> the rivet" as they say all the way back up to Skyline.
>>>
>>> It was after the ride, on the return home, about half a mile from home
>>> on
>>> the final little descent that he heard something on his bike, looked
>>> down,
>>> and road off the road and down an embankment, bike against tree, Kevin
>>> against the ground. Unfortunately, his encounter with the ground
>>> apparently
>>> included a strategically-placed rock that sliced his knee open so
>>> cleanly it
>>> looked like something in an anatomy book. Seriously. After cleaning it
>>> up at
>>> the hospital, the patella was *right there.* Pretty gory, pretty cool.
>>>
>>> 9 stitches, and they said two weeks off the bike or the stitches
>>> could/would
>>> rip apart. Now, if this were me, I'd be telling them sorry, that's
>>> unacceptable, there's got to be a way. Looser stitches or something.
>>> Hard
>>> for me to believe a pro cyclist would be off the bike for two weeks
>>> because
>>> of something like this.
>>>
>>> Or would they? Anyone have experience with something like this? It's
>>> frustrating because he's made such amazing progress lately. This is a
>>> kid
>>> that used to be 5'3 and 230 pounds and is not 5'9 and about 181 and
>>> still
>>> moving in the right direction. I don't want to interrupt that process.
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Sorry I can't add any relevant content regarding doping, but none of the
>>> many meds he's on have any stimulative qualities whatsoever. Quite the
>>> opposite. I could provide a list if need be.
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Step back and have perspective. Two weeks
>> off the bike is not going to set back a teenager unless
>> he was trying to peak for the Death Ride in the 3rd
>> week (I don't even know when the ride is, it was just
>> an example). I sympathize with your desire to not
>> see him sitting on a couch, so take him for a long
>> day hike in Big Basin or something like that - with
>> fewer knee bends, it'll probably be fine WRT the
>> stitches. A little variety in outdoor activity is good.
>>
>> Ben
>
> I'm with Ben. Two weeks is short, but a worsened scar is nearly forever
> (and I'm guessing an ugli_er_ scar is the *least* of the evil side-effects
> that could come from not following the doctor's orders, not to mention
> torn stitches and/or infection).
>
> Take the time to teach him how to build a wheel, or watch or grand tour
> tapes or something.
>
> Hope the healing goes well,
>
> Mark J.
I assume the issue with the scar is flexibility, not appearance. Or have
things changed so much since my days as a kid that a scar is no longer cool?
:-)
As for watching a grand tour tape, we just got back from one in real life.
10 days following the TdF through the Pyrenees and on to Paris. Got to ride
up the Port de Bales, Aubsique and Tourmalet (or all but the final 9k of the
Tourmalet, thanks apparently to Sarkozy and security... grrr...). Very
thankful this happened afterward and not before!
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 4:34 pm
From: --D-y
On Aug 3, 5:50 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8bri0eFeb2U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >> Had a good ride with my son this morning; the regular
> >> Tuesday/Thursday-morning thrashing. Started out a bit slow up the hill
> >> (Kings Mtn) because he had a small seizure at the start of the ride
> >> (he has epilepsy, generally controlled, but...) and didn't really get
> >> up to speed until Skyline. He was, for him, on fire on the back side
> >> of Old LaHonda, "on the rivet" as they say all the way back up to
> >> Skyline.
> >> It was after the ride, on the return home, about half a mile from
> >> home on the final little descent that he heard something on his bike,
> >> looked down, and road off the road and down an embankment, bike
> >> against tree, Kevin against the ground. Unfortunately, his encounter
> >> with the ground apparently included a strategically-placed rock that
> >> sliced his knee open so cleanly it looked like something in an
> >> anatomy book. Seriously. After cleaning it up at the hospital, the
> >> patella was *right there.* Pretty gory, pretty cool.
> >> 9 stitches, and they said two weeks off the bike or the stitches
> >> could/would rip apart. Now, if this were me, I'd be telling them
> >> sorry, that's unacceptable, there's got to be a way. Looser stitches
> >> or something. Hard for me to believe a pro cyclist would be off the
> >> bike for two weeks because of something like this.
>
> > Mike, you seem like a nice guy, but you're off your tree on this one. The
> > knee bends a lot during the pedal stroke, and two weeks sounds pretty
> > quick, not too long.
>
> Unquestionably I'm off my tree on this one! And I should have been more
> clear; what's done is done for Kevin. My question should have been, how
> would they have handled this for someone who couldn't afford to not be off
> the bike for two weeks? Looser stitches? Different technology? Or is that
> just the way it is? (In other words, if it ever happens to *me*, what are my
> options?)
>
> It wouldn't even occur to me to ask except for my experience with my broken
> wrist (actually the bone at the base of the thumb), where they were going to
> cast me for two months. I explained that didn't work for me, and they
> brought in a hand surgeon who said no problem, here's what we do, simple
> operation, ti screw goes here and you're back to new in two weeks.
>
> Anything that implies I'm a rational person here is a successful cover. I'm
> not. On Tuesday & Thursday mornings, I ride. No matter the weather, no
> matter how I'm feeling. I don't expect others to behave similarly (although
> some do). This, ironically, is what keeps me sane. Something in my world
> that I am in total control of and can depend upon.
>
> >> Or would they? Anyone have experience with something like this? It's
> >> frustrating because he's made such amazing progress lately. This is a
> >> kid that used to be 5'3 and 230 pounds and is not 5'9 and about 181
> >> and still moving in the right direction. I don't want to interrupt
> >> that process. :-)
>
> > A little rest won't hurt him - if he can walk, let him do that, or lift
> > weights, or whatever. Don't forget that the body needs calories to heal,
> > too - a few days of nothing is probably what's best, and then you can see
> > how he feels after that.
>
> When I busted up my left arm in a bike race back in the day... I was 17 I
> think, managed to take either the ulna or radius, don't remember which, and
> split it lengthwise (don't recommend doing that, by the way), I was off the
> bike for two months with large cast & pins. I discovered hiking & walking.
> 20 miles in a day was no big thing. But I had my legs; Kevin might be up to
> that in a few days, but not yet. I just wish there was something he could do
> to keep the metabolism going. A week off the bike, sure. Two weeks is a very
> long time to have to essentially go on a diet and starve yourself. Plus not
> fall into the bad habits that caused him trouble in the past (too many video
> games).
>
> He's a really good kid, but has had a pretty tough break (his epilepsy) that
> he can't do much about (which had nothing to do with the crash by the way).
> Cycling has been that thing in his life that's brought him some degree of
> independence plus a transformative effect on his health over the past five
> years. It's been a very long and sometimes very tough road, but he hung in
> there. As you suspect, I just need to be a bit less anxious about this.
Sparing the personal narrative relating to parentally watching a
potentially very serious accident result in only another broken arm
(total of 5 so far, between 2 kids): if you're not a parent, frankly,
you don't have shit to say about this particular kind of anxiety <g>.
Is it possible to get some "gym time", like on exercise machines that
isolate various areas of the body?
--D-y
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TOPIC: Trash Talk From A Non-Medical Source
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 2:59 pm
From: Sneakyfox Pepsifranke
Maybe a pay-for-view in the works?
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 5:34 pm
From: Fred
On Aug 3, 3:59 pm, Sneakyfox Pepsifranke
<sneaky.fox.and.pepsi.fra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe a pay-for-view in the works?
Well, Lance's old friend Chan McRae (sp?) made the switch to MMA.
Maybe he's next?
Fred
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 6:43 pm
From: LawBoy01
On Aug 3, 3:22 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> http://content.usatoday.com/communities/mma/post/2010/08/lance-armstr...
>
> Lance Armstrong did a number of things and he gave himself cancer. He
> cheated, he did drugs, and he gave himself cancer. Well, instead of
> saying 'Hey listen, I cheated and gave myself cancer, don't be like me.'
> He actually made himself the victim and then went out and profited
> something like $15 million dollars from this 'Hey, poor me, let's find a
> cure for cancer' campaign instead of just coming clean and saying,
> 'Look, here's what I did, I screwed myself up, and I hope people learn
> from my mistakes.'--Ultimate Fighting Championship middleweight Chael
> Sonnen
>
> If guys like this are taking shots at Armstron, I'd say he has a PR
> debacle on his hands.
Brian, go jack off with a rope around your neck
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 7:01 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Aug 3, 6:43 pm, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 3:22 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >http://content.usatoday.com/communities/mma/post/2010/08/lance-armstr...
>
> > Lance Armstrong did a number of things and he gave himself cancer. He
> > cheated, he did drugs, and he gave himself cancer. Well, instead of
> > saying 'Hey listen, I cheated and gave myself cancer, don't be like me.'
> > He actually made himself the victim and then went out and profited
> > something like $15 million dollars from this 'Hey, poor me, let's find a
> > cure for cancer' campaign instead of just coming clean and saying,
> > 'Look, here's what I did, I screwed myself up, and I hope people learn
> > from my mistakes.'--Ultimate Fighting Championship middleweight Chael
> > Sonnen
>
> > If guys like this are taking shots at Armstron, I'd say he has a PR
> > debacle on his hands.
Oh no! Even idiots are turning against Armstrong!
He's surely doomed now that he's lost the moron
demographic.
>
> Brian, go jack off with a rope around your neck
Look Phil,
There is no way you can out-outrage Laffatme. He
has a greater supply of moral dudgeon, and irrelevant
comebacks, than a normal person, or even a denizen
of rbr, can ever manage. It would be like trying to drop
a career wheelsucker by riding into the wind.
The only way to manage the situation is with humor.
When you get angry, he gets the better of you, and
worse, you bore me. If it keeps up like this you're
going to be challenging him to meet at the Sausalito
Starbucks, and that plot line is already played out.
Fredmaster Ben
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 7:08 pm
From: LawBoy01
On Aug 3, 9:01 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 6:43 pm, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 3, 3:22 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://content.usatoday.com/communities/mma/post/2010/08/lance-armstr...
>
> > > Lance Armstrong did a number of things and he gave himself cancer. He
> > > cheated, he did drugs, and he gave himself cancer. Well, instead of
> > > saying 'Hey listen, I cheated and gave myself cancer, don't be like me.'
> > > He actually made himself the victim and then went out and profited
> > > something like $15 million dollars from this 'Hey, poor me, let's find a
> > > cure for cancer' campaign instead of just coming clean and saying,
> > > 'Look, here's what I did, I screwed myself up, and I hope people learn
> > > from my mistakes.'--Ultimate Fighting Championship middleweight Chael
> > > Sonnen
>
> > > If guys like this are taking shots at Armstron, I'd say he has a PR
> > > debacle on his hands.
>
> Oh no! Even idiots are turning against Armstrong!
> He's surely doomed now that he's lost the moron
> demographic.
>
>
>
> > Brian, go jack off with a rope around your neck
>
> Look Phil,
>
> There is no way you can out-outrage Laffatme. He
> has a greater supply of moral dudgeon, and irrelevant
> comebacks, than a normal person, or even a denizen
> of rbr, can ever manage. It would be like trying to drop
> a career wheelsucker by riding into the wind.
>
> The only way to manage the situation is with humor.
> When you get angry, he gets the better of you, and
> worse, you bore me. If it keeps up like this you're
> going to be challenging him to meet at the Sausalito
> Starbucks, and that plot line is already played out.
>
> Fredmaster Ben- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Fred,
I'm not angry, I promise. I'm just hopeful
Ciao,
Philip
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TOPIC: Tim Herman Shoots Lance in the Foot--Again
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 4:21 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"
H. Fred Kveck wrote:
> In article <4c5775f5$1@news.x-privat.org>,
> "K. Fred Gauss" <I@just.dont.know.anymore> wrote:
>
>> When G.W. Bush left office, his approval rating was close to 30%.
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/16/opinion/polls/main4728399.shtml
>
> Reality is sometimes even worse than the way we remember it.
I guess I'm slightly comforted that it got below 25%.
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TOPIC: Contadar signs with Saxo & Riis believes Contador can win all 3 tours
in the same year
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4ac329cad1bbff35?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 4:29 pm
From: Randall
I was not to surprised that Contador signed with Saxobank. But it's
hard to fathom that Contador can win all 3 major tours. Contador
seemed as though he was at his limit and was unable to be a patron at
this years tdf. A Giro/TDF may be possible for AC, but he will need a
very strong team to fend off all the constant attacks.
(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-sets-grand-slam-goal-for-new-
signing-contador )
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TOPIC: Tour of Colorado???
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 6:15 pm
From: Phil
On Aug 3, 11:28 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 12:55 am, Superfly TNT <superfly-...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/20181343934
>
> But I'll bet it will have some other name.http://www.tourofcolorado.com/
>
> DR
yeah, Maybe they could call
it........................................The Coors Classic
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 3 2010 6:35 pm
From: DirtRoadie
On Aug 3, 7:15 pm, Phil <prh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 11:28 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 3, 12:55 am, Superfly TNT <superfly-...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/20181343934
>
> > But I'll bet it will have some other name.http://www.tourofcolorado.com/
>
> > DR
>
> yeah, Maybe they could call
> it........................................The Coors Classic
Naw. Boring. How 'bout '"Hell of the West?"
DR
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