Sunday, August 8, 2010

[socialactionfoundationforequity:4206 Some girls' puberty age still falling, study suggests

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Some girls' puberty age still falling, study suggests
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-puberty-20100809,0,830077.story

More than a decade after researchers found that some American girls
were beginning puberty as young as 7, new data show that the average
age for whites and Latinas may still be in flux.

By Shari Roan, Los Angeles Times
August 8, 2010

Doctors and parents were stunned when research published more than a
decade ago found American girls were beginning puberty at much younger
ages, some as early as 7. A new study released Sunday suggests the
average age at which puberty begins may still be falling for white and
Latina girls.

According to the paper, which appears in the journal Pediatrics,
almost 25% of African American girls have reached a stage of breast
development marking the onset of puberty by age 7, as had almost 15%
of Latina girls and more than 10% of white girls.

Those percentages are significantly higher than in 1997, when a
landmark study first reported that girls were beginning puberty much
younger than they had in the mid-20th century. In that study, the rate
of girls who had begun puberty at age 7 was, on average, 5% for
whites, compared with 10.4% in the new study.

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In other words, the average age of puberty onset still appears to be
in flux.

"In 1997, people said, 'That can't be right; there must be something
wrong with the study,' " said Dr. Frank M. Biro, director of
adolescent medicine at Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center
and the lead author of the new study. "But the average age is going
down even further."

Biro's study included 1,238 girls ages 6 to 8 who lived in one of
three regions: Cincinnati, East Harlem, N.Y., or San Francisco.
Puberty was determined by two examiners who worked independently to
assess the girls' breast development. By age 8, 27% of the girls had
begun puberty: 18.3% of whites, 42.9% of blacks and 30.9% of Latinas.

Compared with data from the 1997 study, the age at which puberty
begins did not fall for African American girls, although they still
mature at younger ages than white or Latina girls. It's not clear why
there was no change for black girls. "Perhaps black girls have
approached a biologic minimum," Biro said.

Even for white and Latina girls, it is too early to declare that
puberty age is still falling, said Dr. Joyce Lee, assistant professor
of pediatric endocrinology at C.S. Mott Children's Hospital at the
University of Michigan, who was not involved in the study. The
methodology used in the new study differs somewhat from the one in
1997, making direct comparisons difficult, she said.

But, she added, "it's incredible the difference you see between the
two studies."

There are numerous potential explanations for why puberty is starting
earlier. Chief among them is the increase in average body weight among
children over the last three decades, Lee said. Excess body weight,
especially body fat, is thought to increase the blood levels of
estrogens that promote breast development. Earlier studies, including
one by Lee, have linked early puberty to higher body mass index as far
back as the toddler years.

But other studies suggest that body fat may not be the only cause. A
Danish study released last year in the journal Pediatrics found
puberty occurring earlier in children regardless of body mass index at
age 7. Factors may include a diet that is increasingly high in sugar
and fat, declining physical activity and exposure to endocrine
disrupters, chemicals in the environment that act on hormones.

"Kids today are exposed to plastic much more than they were 10 or 20
years ago," Lee said.

Biro said that his study would continue to follow the girls'
development, and that blood and urine samples were being collected to
look at biomarkers that reflect potential environmental exposures.

Early development in girls is not inconsequential. Studies have linked
it to various health risks including a poor body image, reduced self-
esteem, higher rates of eating problems, depression and earlier onset
of sexual activity. Early maturation in a large population of girls
may also affect future breast cancer rates. Studies have linked a
younger age at the first menstrual period to a higher risk of breast
cancer after menopause.

Parents may be able to influence the timing of puberty, Biro said,
through such lifestyle decisions as encouraging a healthful diet and
physical activity, and avoiding lotions, shampoos and other products
for children and babies that contain phthalates, which are known
endocrine disrupters.

"For younger children and the tweens, they should probably live a
little bit greener," Biro said. "People could eat together as families
— not avoiding fast food, but minimizing it to once a week — and
families could engage in regular physical activity."

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* Racist Idiot Reported - 6 messages, 5 authors
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* Clouddipshit snaps, says honor killings are the same as gays being denied
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* It's not the body; it's the mind. The trouble with liberal women. - 1
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TOPIC: Racist Idiot Reported
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/5d0b5d7e77b20060?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 12:26 am
From: Loopy Verdigris


Sysero The Really Interesting d00d
<xxxvii@kotagor.org> said stuff on 08
Aug 2010:

> On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 23:43:07 -0500, Lady Veteran
<armyvet@bigfoot.com>
> whipped her pit bulls and shat this nonsense:
>
>>On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 02:18:34 +0000 (UTC),
"(¯`·.¸Craig
>>Chilton¸.·´¯) <www.GaydarRemedy.com>"
<y@n.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 06 Aug 2010, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
<greghall@home.fake>
>>>posted some news:3veud6.r8v.17.1@news.alt.net:
>>>
>>>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"
<rhondaleakirk@earthling.net> wrote in
>>>> message news:i3flu2$sfe$1
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>>>><snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> You have such trouble with women, Greg.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only when they turn out to be liberals and
Femi-Nazis! Or
>>>> whacked-out Scientologists :-(
>>>>
>>>
>>>Perhaps you'd have better luck with men! I'm in
the phonebook, give
>>>me a call.
>>
>>
>>Forging by idiot is a badge of honor.
>>
>>Lady Vaginitis
>
> Congratulations... You're able to condense your
stupidity to short,
> meaningless phrases.
>


yup.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 7:43 am
From: Polarhound


On 8/4/2010 12:43 PM, Lady Veteran wrote:
> you may not have your accounts much longer you filthy pus
> back.
>
> Yes, I turned you in, COWARD. I will turn any idiot who thinks that
> this posting behavior is acceptable.
>

News flash: Calling mommy doesn't count.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 11:39 am
From: Lady Veteran


On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 07:26:51 +0000 (UTC), Loopy Verdigris
<LoopyVerdigris@not.never> wrote:

>Sysero The Really Interesting d00d
><xxxvii@kotagor.org> said stuff on 08
>Aug 2010:
>
>> On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 23:43:07 -0500, Lady Veteran
><armyvet@bigfoot.com>
>> whipped her pit bulls and shat this nonsense:
>>
>>>On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 02:18:34 +0000 (UTC),
>"(¯`·.¸Craig
>>>Chilton¸.·´¯) <www.GaydarRemedy.com>"
><y@n.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 06 Aug 2010, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
><greghall@home.fake>
>>>>posted some news:3veud6.r8v.17.1@news.alt.net:
>>>>
>>>>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"
><rhondaleakirk@earthling.net> wrote in
>>>>> message news:i3flu2$sfe$1
>@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>> Congratulations... You're able to condense your
>stupidity to short,
>> meaningless phrases.
>>
>
>
>yup.
>
>
You have lots of experience with that don't you?

LV

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== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 11:40 am
From: Lady Veteran


On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 10:43:00 -0400, Polarhound
<polarhound@comcast.net> wrote:

>On 8/4/2010 12:43 PM, Lady Veteran wrote:
>> you may not have your accounts much longer you filthy pus
>> back.
>>
>> Yes, I turned you in, COWARD. I will turn any idiot who thinks that
>> this posting behavior is acceptable.
>>
>
>News flash: Calling mommy doesn't count.

News flash. Letting people know how dumb idiots can be is a labor of
love.

LV

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When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"Some people are only alive because it is
illegal to kill them."

---Anonymous
----------------------------------------------
See the latest idiot featured on my blog!

My Blog http://ladyveteranslog.blogspot.com
---------------------------------------------
"I am really enjoying the new Martin Luther King Jr
stamp - just think about all those white bigots,
licking the backside of a black man."

----Dick Gregory
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Today's Idiot - Arnold Schwarzenegger: "I think that
gay marriage is something that should be between a man
and a woman."

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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 12:23 pm
From: dev.null@example.com


On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:40:40 -0500, Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 10:43:00 -0400, Polarhound
><polarhound@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On 8/4/2010 12:43 PM, Lady Veteran wrote:
>>> you may not have your accounts much longer you filthy pus
>>> back.
>>>
>>> Yes, I turned you in, COWARD. I will turn any idiot who thinks that
>>> this posting behavior is acceptable.
>>>
>>
>>News flash: Calling mommy doesn't count.
>
>News flash. Letting people know how dumb idiots can be is a labor of
>love.
>
>LV

Well that explains your frequent posts of narcissism.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 1:34 pm
From: Lame Vegan


Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com> said stuff on 08
Aug 2010:

> On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 07:26:51 +0000 (UTC), Loopy
Verdigris
> <LoopyVerdigris@not.never> wrote:
>
>>Sysero The Really Interesting d00d
>><xxxvii@kotagor.org> said stuff on 08
>>Aug 2010:
>>
>>> On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 23:43:07 -0500, Lady
Veteran
>><armyvet@bigfoot.com>
>>> whipped her pit bulls and shat this nonsense:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 02:18:34 +0000 (UTC),
>>"(¯`·.¸Craig
>>>>Chilton¸.·´¯) <www.GaydarRemedy.com>"
>><y@n.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 06 Aug 2010, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
>><greghall@home.fake>
>>>>>posted some news:3veud6.r8v.17.1@news.alt.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"
>><rhondaleakirk@earthling.net> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:i3flu2$sfe$1
>>@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>>> Congratulations... You're able to condense
your
>>stupidity to short,
>>> meaningless phrases.
>>>
>>
>>
>>yup.
>>
>>
> You have lots of experience with that don't you?
>
> LV
>

I have been in your presence, so of course I have
experience with stupid and meaningless.


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TOPIC: Clouddipshit snaps, says honor killings are the same as gays being
denied marriage rights!!!!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/c887244358a1a27f?hl=en
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== 1 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 12:47 am
From: Not Sure


On Aug 7, 5:41 am, clouddreamer <Reuse.Recy...@Reduce.now> wrote:
> Steve Newport wrote:
> > From: fred1321...@gmail.com (Not Sure) because you hate and despise
> > white, Christian, straight males (probably because they won't touch you
> > naked) doesn't mean you need to project
> > ---------------------------------
> > Sounds like Fred Not Sure "projecting."
>
> Just stick him in a killfile. He's stalking me through all the groups I
> visit, annoying others in groups that have nothing to do with the topic

Yes, my exposing you for the friendless fat fuck that you are must be
extremely upsetting to you. Who knew being a virulent anti-Christian
bigot would have so many consequences? :)

> and has some fetish about fat people and is projecting that onto me for
> some reason (because I'm not fat).

Is that what your court-mandated therapist tells you, Oprah?

He has some idea that I hate
> christians and love muslims...but he's too dense to understand that one
> is as bad as the other...that denying gays the right to marry is as
> stupid as honor killings and the world would be better off without any
> religion.

Yes, women being murdered by their husbands, that's as "stupid" as
gays being denied the right to marry. Thanks for snapping and forever
cementing in the reality that you hate and despise Christians, and
make any and every excuse imaginable for the pig "religion" Islam. And
BTW, dipshit, Islam also prevents gays from getting married, right
before beheading them. But I never expect you to think your bile
through.

>
> I rarely see his posts now, but please, of all trolls, deny this sad
> individual any fodder for his perverted behavior.

Yes, whatever you do, don't write reams of garbage proving how
correctly I've pegged you, then research my ISP to send your whiny
bitching to. What a reward that would be, huh? :)

>
> And send complaints to groups-ab...@google.com and ab...@cox.net as he
> is violating the terms of service of his ISP, namely:
>
> - Invade another person's privacy, stalk, harass, or otherwise violate
> the rights of others.
>
> - Post, transmit, or distribute content that is illegal, threatening,
> abusive, libelous, slanderous, defamatory, promotes violence, or is
> otherwise offensive or objectionable.


== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 1:21 am
From: "Doug"


"Not Sure" <fred1321123@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:94a7b01a-fd62-436e-b5dd-ec3e818e95da@q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 7, 5:41 am, clouddreamer <Reuse.Recy...@Reduce.now> wrote:
>> Steve Newport wrote:
>> > From: fred1321...@gmail.com (Not Sure) because you hate and despise
>> > white, Christian, straight males (probably because they won't touch you
>> > naked) doesn't mean you need to project
>> > ---------------------------------
>> > Sounds like Fred Not Sure "projecting."
>>
>> Just stick him in a killfile. He's stalking me through all the groups I
>> visit, annoying others in groups that have nothing to do with the topic
>
> Yes, my exposing you for the friendless fat fuck that you are must be
> extremely upsetting to you. Who knew being a virulent anti-Christian
> bigot would have so many consequences? :)
>
>> and has some fetish about fat people and is projecting that onto me for
>> some reason (because I'm not fat).
>
> Is that what your court-mandated therapist tells you, Oprah?
>
> He has some idea that I hate
>> christians and love muslims...but he's too dense to understand that one
>> is as bad as the other...that denying gays the right to marry is as
>> stupid as honor killings and the world would be better off without any
>> religion.
>
> Yes, women being murdered by their husbands, that's as "stupid" as
> gays being denied the right to marry. Thanks for snapping and forever
> cementing in the reality that you hate and despise Christians, and
> make any and every excuse imaginable for the pig "religion" Islam. And
> BTW, dipshit, Islam also prevents gays from getting married, right
> before beheading them. But I never expect you to think your bile
> through.
>

I think in Iran they commonly hang gays by the neck until dead, for
the crime of being gay. I'm sure the islamic trial that determines their
homosexuality
is fair and impartial as well, with plenty of provision for a just appeals
process. ;^)

Of course, Assminijihad has stated there are no homosexuals
in Iran.

In Saudi Arabia, the maximum punishment for homosexuality is public
execution, but the government will use other punishments-e.g., fines, jail
time, and whipping-as alternatives, unless it feels that homosexuals are
challenging state authority by engaging in LGBT social movements.[42] Iran
is perhaps the nation to execute the largest number of its citizens for
homosexuality. Since the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran, the Iranian
government has executed more than 4,000 people charged with homosexual
acts.[43] In Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban, homosexuality went
from a capital crime to one that it punished with fines and prison sentence.

Lieberals and leftards are desperate to paint all religions as being
cut from the same cloth.


== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 2:33 am
From: Lakers 23


On 08 Aug 2010, "Doug" <andxornot@gmail.invalid> posted some
news:i3lpla$61b$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> "Not Sure" <fred1321123@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:94a7b01a-fd62-436e-b5dd-ec3e818e95da@q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com.
> ..
>> On Aug 7, 5:41 am, clouddreamer <Reuse.Recy...@Reduce.now> wrote:
>>> Steve Newport wrote:
>>> > From: fred1321...@gmail.com (Not Sure) because you hate and
>>> > despise white, Christian, straight males (probably because they
>>> > won't touch you naked) doesn't mean you need to project
>>> > ---------------------------------
>>> > Sounds like Fred Not Sure "projecting."
>>>
>>> Just stick him in a killfile. He's stalking me through all the
>>> groups I visit, annoying others in groups that have nothing to do
>>> with the topic
>>
>> Yes, my exposing you for the friendless fat fuck that you are must be
>> extremely upsetting to you. Who knew being a virulent anti-Christian
>> bigot would have so many consequences? :)
>>
>>> and has some fetish about fat people and is projecting that onto me
>>> for some reason (because I'm not fat).
>>
>> Is that what your court-mandated therapist tells you, Oprah?
>>
>> He has some idea that I hate
>>> christians and love muslims...but he's too dense to understand that
>>> one is as bad as the other...that denying gays the right to marry is
>>> as stupid as honor killings and the world would be better off
>>> without any religion.
>>
>> Yes, women being murdered by their husbands, that's as "stupid" as
>> gays being denied the right to marry. Thanks for snapping and forever
>> cementing in the reality that you hate and despise Christians, and
>> make any and every excuse imaginable for the pig "religion" Islam.
>> And BTW, dipshit, Islam also prevents gays from getting married,
>> right before beheading them. But I never expect you to think your
>> bile through.
>>
>
> I think in Iran they commonly hang gays by the neck until dead, for
> the crime of being gay. I'm sure the islamic trial that determines
> their homosexuality
> is fair and impartial as well, with plenty of provision for a just
> appeals process. ;^)
>
> Of course, Assminijihad has stated there are no homosexuals
> in Iran.
>
> In Saudi Arabia, the maximum punishment for homosexuality is public
> execution, but the government will use other punishments-e.g., fines,
> jail time, and whipping-as alternatives, unless it feels that
> homosexuals are challenging state authority by engaging in LGBT social
> movements.[42] Iran is perhaps the nation to execute the largest
> number of its citizens for homosexuality. Since the 1979 Islamic
> revolution in Iran, the Iranian government has executed more than
> 4,000 people charged with homosexual acts.[43] In Afghanistan after
> the fall of the Taliban, homosexuality went from a capital crime to
> one that it punished with fines and prison sentence.
>
> Lieberals and leftards are desperate to paint all religions as being
> cut from the same cloth.

cloudnutter lives in a fantasy world where reality rarely intrudes.
She claims to have been a serving militarist, yet demonstrates none of
the characteristics of strength, morality, honor or courage associated
with warriors. Canadian soldiers are generally fine examples of
military professionals, skilled and possessing excellent moral
character. To a man, or woman as the case may be, they understand the
necessity of cohesive unit integrity and the role it will play in their
survival.

Homosexuals are not part of that equation, simply because they are not
emotionally equipped to function properly in times of acute combat
stress. They make erratic tactical decisions, and will sell out their
comrades to save their own skins in almost every situation.

Iraq knows what to do with homosexuals and they have an excellent
program to discourage gay recruiting.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/04/25/71416.html

Iraqi militias have been using a particularly brutal form of
torture against homosexual men that involves gluing the buttocks
together and feeding them laxatives, an Iraqi human rights
activist revealed last week.

"An anti-gay group uses a very strong form of glue that if
applied, sticks to the skin so tight that it can only be removed
surgically" Yenar Mohamed told AlArabiya.net.

"After the buttocks have been glued together, the victim is
given a laxative," Mohamed added. Because they are not able to
defecate, the diarrhea eventually leads to death.

The painful torture process was filmed on mobile phones and
distributed all over Iraq. The campaign on gays, Mohamed said,
was launched three weeks ago after fatwas, religious decrees,
calling for their killing, were issued by clerics.

Mohamed attributed the rise of homosexuality in Iraq to the
growing conservatism in society which makes mingling between
sexes increasingly difficult.

He pointed out that gays were targeted by both Sunni and Shiite
militias and that the fatwas calling for their killing have been
broadcast on satellite channels for thousands to hear.

According to earlier press reports, a group called Ahl al-Haq
(The Righteous) is targeting gays in the Bagdad slum of Sadr
City and has managed to kill several people. The group allegedly
published a list with the names of 10 gay men and wrote: "We
will kill you, sinners." Bodies of three homosexual men were
found in the area shortly after.

--

"Homosexuality is not a choice" is a lie. Homosexuals are made, not
born.

== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 4:06 am
From: Happyjacks


On Aug 8, 7:33 am, Lakers 23 <rapi...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid> wrote:
> On 08 Aug 2010, "Doug" <andxor...@gmail.invalid> posted somenews:i3lpla$61b$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>
>
> > "Not Sure" <fred1321...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:94a7b01a-fd62-436e-b5dd-ec3e818e95da@q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com.
> > ..
> >> On Aug 7, 5:41 am, clouddreamer <Reuse.Recy...@Reduce.now> wrote:
> >>> Steve Newport wrote:
> >>> > From: fred1321...@gmail.com (Not Sure) because you hate and
> >>> > despise white, Christian, straight males (probably because they
> >>> > won't touch you naked) doesn't mean you need to project
> >>> > ---------------------------------
> >>> > Sounds like Fred Not Sure "projecting."
>
> >>> Just stick him in a killfile. He's stalking me through all the
> >>> groups I visit, annoying others in groups that have nothing to do
> >>> with the topic
>
> >> Yes, my exposing you for the friendless fat fuck that you are must be
> >> extremely upsetting to you. Who knew being a virulent anti-Christian
> >> bigot would have so many consequences? :)
>
> >>> and has some fetish about fat people and is projecting that onto me
> >>> for some reason (because I'm not fat).
>
> >> Is that what your court-mandated therapist tells you, Oprah?
>
> >> He has some idea that I hate
> >>> christians and love muslims...but he's too dense to understand that
> >>> one is as bad as the other...that denying gays the right to marry is
> >>> as stupid as honor killings and the world would be better off
> >>> without any religion.
>
> >> Yes, women being murdered by their husbands, that's as "stupid" as
> >> gays being denied the right to marry. Thanks for snapping and forever
> >> cementing in the reality that you hate and despise Christians, and
> >> make any and every excuse imaginable for the pig "religion" Islam.
> >> And BTW, dipshit, Islam also prevents gays from getting married,
> >> right before beheading them. But I never expect you to think your
> >> bile through.
>
> > I think in Iran they commonly hang gays by the neck until dead, for
> > the crime of being gay. I'm sure the islamic trial that determines
> > their homosexuality
> > is fair and impartial as well, with plenty of provision for a just
> > appeals process. ;^)
>
> > Of course, Assminijihad has stated there are no homosexuals
> > in Iran.
>
> > In Saudi Arabia, the maximum punishment for homosexuality is public
> > execution, but the government will use other punishments-e.g., fines,
> > jail time, and whipping-as alternatives, unless it feels that
> > homosexuals are challenging state authority by engaging in LGBT social
> > movements.[42] Iran is perhaps the nation to execute the largest
> > number of its citizens for homosexuality. Since the 1979 Islamic
> > revolution in Iran, the Iranian government has executed more than
> > 4,000 people charged with homosexual acts.[43] In Afghanistan after
> > the fall of the Taliban, homosexuality went from a capital crime to
> > one that it punished with fines and prison sentence.
>
> > Lieberals and leftards are desperate to paint all religions as being
> > cut from the same cloth.
>
> cloudnutter lives in a fantasy world where reality rarely intrudes.
> She claims to have been a serving militarist, yet demonstrates none of
> the characteristics of strength, morality, honor or courage associated
> with warriors.  Canadian soldiers are generally fine examples of
> military professionals, skilled and possessing excellent moral
> character.  To a man, or woman as the case may be, they understand the
> necessity of cohesive unit integrity and the role it will play in their
> survival.
>
> Homosexuals are not part of that equation, simply because they are not
> emotionally equipped to function properly in times of acute combat
> stress. They make erratic tactical decisions, and will sell out their
> comrades to save their own skins in almost every situation.  
>
> Iraq knows what to do with homosexuals and they have an excellent
> program to discourage gay recruiting.
>
> http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/04/25/71416.html
>
> Iraqi militias have been using a particularly brutal form of
> torture against homosexual men that involves gluing the buttocks
> together and feeding them laxatives, an Iraqi human rights
> activist revealed last week.
>
> "An anti-gay group uses a very strong form of glue that if
> applied, sticks to the skin so tight that it can only be removed
> surgically" Yenar Mohamed told AlArabiya.net.
>
> "After the buttocks have been glued together, the victim is
> given a laxative," Mohamed added. Because they are not able to
> defecate, the diarrhea eventually leads to death.
>
> The painful torture process was filmed on mobile phones and
> distributed all over Iraq. The campaign on gays, Mohamed said,
> was launched three weeks ago after fatwas, religious decrees,
> calling for their killing, were issued by clerics.
>
> Mohamed attributed the rise of homosexuality in Iraq to the
> growing conservatism in society which makes mingling between
> sexes increasingly difficult.
>
> He pointed out that gays were targeted by both Sunni and Shiite
> militias and that the fatwas calling for their killing have been
> broadcast on satellite channels for thousands to hear.
>
> According to earlier press reports, a group called Ahl al-Haq
> (The Righteous) is targeting gays in the Bagdad slum of Sadr
> City and has managed to kill several people. The group allegedly
> published a list with the names of 10 gay men and wrote: "We
> will kill you, sinners." Bodies of three homosexual men were
> found in the area shortly after.
>
> --
>
> "Homosexuality is not a choice" is a lie.  Homosexuals are made, not
> born.

I wish you guys would fuck off with this shit. People like you ruin
this newsgroup


== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 5:05 am
From: trotsky


On 8/8/10 2:47 AM, Not Straight wrote:
> On Aug 7, 5:41 am, clouddreamer<Reuse.Recy...@Reduce.now> wrote:
>> Steve Newport wrote:
>>> From: fred1321...@gmail.com (Not Sure) because you hate and despise
>>> white, Christian, straight males (probably because they won't touch you
>>> naked) doesn't mean you need to project
>>> ---------------------------------
>>> Sounds like Fred Not Sure "projecting."
>>
>> Just stick him in a killfile. He's stalking me through all the groups I
>> visit, annoying others in groups that have nothing to do with the topic
>
> Yes, my exposing you


Congrats, felchy, your posts are now indistinguishable from cow dung.
Kudos!


== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 5:42 am
From: clouddreamer


trotsky wrote:
> On 8/8/10 2:47 AM, Not Straight wrote:
>> On Aug 7, 5:41 am, clouddreamer<Reuse.Recy...@Reduce.now> wrote:
>>> Steve Newport wrote:
>>>> From: fred1321...@gmail.com (Not Sure) because you hate and despise
>>>> white, Christian, straight males (probably because they won't touch you
>>>> naked) doesn't mean you need to project
>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>> Sounds like Fred Not Sure "projecting."
>>>
>>> Just stick him in a killfile. He's stalking me through all the groups I
>>> visit, annoying others in groups that have nothing to do with the topic
>>
>> Yes, my exposing you
>
>
> Congrats, felchy, your posts are now indistinguishable from cow dung.
> Kudos!

Yup. He spreads his own hate with lies about me.

One can report his violation of his ISP's ToS at abuse@google.com and
abuse@cox.net

:)

--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us.


== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 6:45 am
From: trotsky


On 8/8/10 7:42 AM, clouddreamer wrote:
> trotsky wrote:
>> On 8/8/10 2:47 AM, Not Straight wrote:
>>> On Aug 7, 5:41 am, clouddreamer<Reuse.Recy...@Reduce.now> wrote:
>>>> Steve Newport wrote:
>>>>> From: fred1321...@gmail.com (Not Sure) because you hate and despise
>>>>> white, Christian, straight males (probably because they won't touch
>>>>> you
>>>>> naked) doesn't mean you need to project
>>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>>> Sounds like Fred Not Sure "projecting."
>>>>
>>>> Just stick him in a killfile. He's stalking me through all the groups I
>>>> visit, annoying others in groups that have nothing to do with the topic
>>>
>>> Yes, my exposing you
>>
>>
>> Congrats, felchy, your posts are now indistinguishable from cow dung.
>> Kudos!
>
> Yup. He spreads his own hate with lies about me.
>
> One can report his violation of his ISP's ToS at abuse@google.com and
> abuse@cox.net


I've seen a lot of guys follow around other posters, but this is the
worst case I have ever seen. If I ever see anything that looks even
vaguely like a veiled threat I will report it to the FBI.

== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 10:14 am
From: RichA


On Aug 8, 8:42 am, clouddreamer <Reuse.Recy...@Reduce.now> wrote:
> trotsky wrote:
> > On 8/8/10 2:47 AM, Not Straight wrote:
> >> On Aug 7, 5:41 am, clouddreamer<Reuse.Recy...@Reduce.now>  wrote:
> >>> Steve Newport wrote:
> >>>> From: fred1321...@gmail.com (Not Sure) because you hate and despise
> >>>> white, Christian, straight males (probably because they won't touch you
> >>>> naked) doesn't mean you need to project
> >>>> ---------------------------------
> >>>> Sounds like Fred Not Sure "projecting."
>
> >>> Just stick him in a killfile. He's stalking me through all the groups I
> >>> visit, annoying others in groups that have nothing to do with the topic
>
> >> Yes, my exposing you
>
> > Congrats, felchy, your posts are now indistinguishable from cow dung.
> > Kudos!
>
> Yup. He spreads his own hate with lies about me.
>
> One can report his violation of his ISP's ToS at ab...@google.com and
> ab...@cox.net
>
>   :)
>
> --
> We must change the way we live
>         Or the climate will do it for us.

Google allows spamming Chinks selling illegal counterfeit goods to
spam all number of usenet groups. Do you think they care about small-
fry?


== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 10:06 am
From: sillapond


On 08/08/2010 05:05 AM, trotsky wrote:
> Congrats, felchy,

Drop dead, commie.


== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 10:08 am
From: sillapond


On 08/08/2010 05:42 AM, clouddreamer wrote:
> Yup. He spreads his own hate with lies about me.

Shut up, paranoid turd-breath.


== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 10:15 am
From: sillapond


On 08/08/2010 06:45 AM, trotsky wrote:
> If I ever see anything that looks even vaguely like a veiled threat I
> will report it to the FBI.

Fuck off, drop dead, etc.


== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 11:39 am
From: Not Sure


On Aug 8, 6:45 am, trotsky <gmsi...@email.com> wrote:
> On 8/8/10 7:42 AM, clouddreamer wrote:
>
>
>
> > trotsky wrote:
> >> On 8/8/10 2:47 AM, Not Straight wrote:
> >>> On Aug 7, 5:41 am, clouddreamer<Reuse.Recy...@Reduce.now> wrote:
> >>>> Steve Newport wrote:
> >>>>> From: fred1321...@gmail.com (Not Sure) because you hate and despise
> >>>>> white, Christian, straight males (probably because they won't touch
> >>>>> you
> >>>>> naked) doesn't mean you need to project
> >>>>> ---------------------------------
> >>>>> Sounds like Fred Not Sure "projecting."
>
> >>>> Just stick him in a killfile. He's stalking me through all the groups I
> >>>> visit, annoying others in groups that have nothing to do with the topic
>
> >>> Yes, my exposing you
>
> >> Congrats, felchy, your posts are now indistinguishable from cow dung.
> >> Kudos!
>
> > Yup. He spreads his own hate with lies about me.
>
> > One can report his violation of his ISP's ToS at ab...@google.com and
> > ab...@cox.net
>
> I've seen a lot of guys follow around other posters, but this is the
> worst case I have ever seen.  If I ever see anything that looks even
> vaguely like a veiled threat I will report it to the FBI.

Will you be taking time off from blowing Steven to make those "FBI"
calls, prostitute? Please tape them, friendless, that should be a
hoot :)


== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 11:48 am
From: Not Sure


On Aug 8, 5:05 am, trotsky <gmsi...@email.com> wrote:
> On 8/8/10 2:47 AM, Not Straight wrote:
>
> > On Aug 7, 5:41 am, clouddreamer<Reuse.Recy...@Reduce.now>  wrote:
> >> Steve Newport wrote:
> >>> From: fred1321...@gmail.com (Not Sure) because you hate and despise
> >>> white, Christian, straight males (probably because they won't touch you
> >>> naked) doesn't mean you need to project
> >>> ---------------------------------
> >>> Sounds like Fred Not Sure "projecting."
>
> >> Just stick him in a killfile. He's stalking me through all the groups I
> >> visit, annoying others in groups that have nothing to do with the topic
>
> > Yes, my exposing you
>
> Congrats, felchy,

Heh, what an interesting point to cut my post off, pussy. I wonder why
you did that? :)

your posts are now indistinguishable from cow dung.
> Kudos!


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TOPIC: It's not the body; it's the mind. The trouble with liberal women.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 3:09 am
From: "Cecil Warren"


" Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@home.fake> wrote in message
news:3vh1io.gm9.19.1@news.alt.net...
> It took me a while

Yea, 5 years - so you think you finally nailed it?

~~ whirrrrr ~~


> This is what lies at the root of Ms. Sanchez's self-esteem troubles. It's
> not the body; it's the mind.
>
> --
> Gregory Hall

Thankyou Sigmond Rhoid.

Now speaking of liberal women...would you happen to have a line on any
rotund 50+ babes into some hard-hitting in and out? Rapes the game, and I'm
into being raped by porcine grannies no matter what the price. (they pay me
in Canadian dollars yea)

4th slip on the west pier of the Marathon Yacht Club.

--
" Skipper Cecil Warren Esq."

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TOPIC: CRISIS ? Is solution to BOMB Israel ?!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/55c20d3992e62a7d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 6:45 am
From:


CRISIS ? Is solution to BOMB Israel ?!


The only country which is in financial wellness, is ISRAEL

(near its secret allied RUSSIAN MAFFIA),
the VERY RESPONSIBLE of the worldwide bad economy,
TODAY author of the US-BIGGEST CRACK !!!


Is in the hands of Israel (and Russian MAFFFIA)

the TECH SPRING of the US - Industrial Welfare : NASA.

A SATANIC, secret International Vatican-ISRAELI-(Russian) LODGE,

is blocking this prosperity SPRING ????????!!! .

Any prosperity STREAM from the SPRING PLACE is DIVERTED into
ISRAEL !!!!

Millions of unemployed have economiccal tragedies in family, on the US
and in the whole world:


Of course: If Israelis men are holding the US's economy SPRING of
NASA ORGANIZATION,

, who IS the
UNIQUE RESPONSIBLE of the ECONOMIC CRACK of US ?

Remember that 6 VIP of Israel
are owners of 90% of Russia, in mines and factories.

Have interest, the 6 VIP, in helping RUSSIA, or US ?

Did do the 6 VIP, any process to 5 Israelis men,
arrested by FBI, at 11 September on NYC, while they was laughing,
as proved by their photos, where are laughing as crazies,
on the backgroung of WTC collapsing ?

Did have interest, the 6 VIP of ISRAEL, on flinging a missile
against
Pentagon ?
======================================================


ANY NASA CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION TROPHY ?


- ON 2005 YEAR TOSHIBA WAS divulged a new to newspapers
on the distribution for selling of a FACTORY OF COLD FUSION
BATTERY on the US.

- AFTER FEW DAYS THEY KILLED THE BOSS OF THE STAFF,
by a GUNSHOT.

- SO THEY CLOSED ANY EXPECTATION OF the
NOT-OIL ENERGY FUTURE !!

ON THIS WAY THE PRO-ISRAELI OIL MAGNATE are warming the GLOBE,
SCATTERING Death of Animals, Plants, and Persons,

and DAMAGING Unites States of America !

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Where are coffins and blood, is there also Israel ?

Is ISRAEL the strongest allied of United States ?

Is ISRAEL the SHAME allied of United States, which despices the human
rights ?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
======================================================


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TOPIC: One More Reason I Hate The Handicapped!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/1215b37410e5f070?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 8:08 am
From: A1247@gmail.com


On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 20:12:34 -0700 (PDT), "mr
dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote:

>The fucking losers of life's lottery are always bitching about
>something!!!
>
>Save America! Beat up a handicapped person!!!
>
>TAMPA --
>
>A local strip club is being sued for its alleged uninviting nature to
>people with disabilities.
>
>The federal lawsuit was filed on Thursday by Kendrick Duldulao, who
>uses a wheelchair and visited the strip club.
>
>Duldulao claims he was denied full and equal access to, and full and
>equal enjoyment of, the facilities inside the Mons Venus.
>
>The lawsuit is suing the Mons Venus strip club for violating the
>Americans With Disabilities Act in 24 separate places, including no
>ramps for wheelchairs, the hostess stand is too high, and the toilets
>and jukebox are inaccessible.
>
>Owner Joe Redner says the club has portable ramps that they put in and
>people have to push them up and can take them anywhere.
>
>Redner claims he doesn't have to comply because he opened his club
>before the 1992 act was passed.
>
>However, Duldulao says the Mons Venus has undergone renovations since
>the act was passed and should have fixed the inaccessibility issues
>then.
>
>Redner denies this claim, but says he would like to further
>accommodate customers -- but can't get certain permits from the city
>of Tampa due to zoning laws.
>
>mr dude
You do realize a good percentage of the handiccapped are that way
due to injuries sustained in wars?

Maybe you should be fighting to increase access for the handicapped
to thank them for their to the military?

By the way in an instance like thsi when a building has major
renovations they have to comply with access laws.

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TOPIC: Gisele Bundchen
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/c89f9433e4d4dd01?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 10:13 am
From: Ron


On Aug 6, 8:19 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Ron" <BigELil...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6a066032-4e9d-4ed8-8990-f2ae4accd0f4@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > What a flake.
>
> >http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/sns-health-women-breastfeeding-l...
>
> why?
> because some fools are uncomfortable with natural body functions

WTF are you talking about? Did you even read the article?

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TOPIC: 'Mutilated by the Taliban: The girl of 18 who had nose and ears hacked
off for trying to flee cruel in-laws'
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/af34a61549a4d14f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 2:26 pm
From: Freddo


On 8/6/2010 1:01 PM, euphy wrote:
> On 8/3/2010 3:59 PM, Ray OHara wrote:
>> "Not Sure"<fred1321123@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e2caf17b-990c-42f5-9eff-4fa3794e6071@g6g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 3, 8:22 am, "Michael Laudahn eOpposition"
>> <nuke.islamis...@your.earliest.conv> wrote:
>>> *Message and author protected by the 1st amendment (free speech) and
>>> similar
>>> constitutional provisions. Violations of this provision through
>>> actions by
>>> judiciary and other government criminals will be prosecuted as soon as
>>> conditions permit.*
>>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1299799/Mutilated-T...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Unter blinden ist der einäugige könig.>.)
>>>
>>> Don't discuss with mohammedan intruders THEIR subjects (mohammedanism&
>>> co).
>>> Insist on OUR subjects. So ask them: 'What do you do here in OUR
>>> country?
>>> Why aren't you in YOUR country working?' Repeat asking. Don't permit
>>> them
>>> any changes of subject nor discussions.
>>
>> Uh oh, how is clouddipshit going to explain away this one? :)
>>
>>
>> ===============================================================
>>
>> It was Bush who allowed Bin Laden to escape and the Taliban to survive.
>> so why don't you explain it away.
>> after all its your side that allowed this to happen not the liberals.
>>
>>
>
>
> That is the most convoluted bullshit yu've spewed in a while, O'Hara.
>
> Bush allowed bin Laden to escape? Well, then so did Clinton. And the
> there's the fact that we put him in business in the first place.
>
> The fact of the matter is that if we back out of Afghanistan and turn it
> back over to the Taliban, then we should be ashamed and we will regret
> choice on every possible level. Even if your boiling liberal blood
> doesn't demand that you spare the women of Afghanistan from the brutal
> and insane treatment that they would and will receive under the Taliban,
> maybe you should consider the purely strategic value of Afghanistan,
> given the direction you want the world to go in terms of just your
> environmental concerns... See if you can make the connection:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?no_interstitial
>
>
> I know it is painful to deal with the world the way it really is and
> losing young men and women in any war is a painful sacrifice, but our
> leaders would really have to be tremendously short sighted on a purely
> strategic basis to abandon Afghanistan because of a bunch of anti-war
> nimrods. Maybe you guys can say we're doing it for the children?
>
> Ü


Maybe if Bush concentrated on Afghanistan, and didn't let the Taliban
start to regain power instead of pointing his bombers at Iraq, the war
could've been over.

Clinton wanted to go after Bin Laden, but the Repubs were too interested
in getting him impeached, and if by we you mean Ronnie Raygun, then
you'd be correct.


But you're right, Ray does spew.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 7:31 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


The kerosene is not working.

Neither is the baking soda and vinegar trick.

mr dude


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* Which one of you is this? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Another RBR classic - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Holy shit! LANCE _is_ a dope pusher!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e57bb8d5ee0be446?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 11:00 am
From: RicodJour


On Aug 8, 1:27 pm, Choppy Warburton <choppywarbur...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 8, 10:02 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > He's even taken to injecting people himself!http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2010/08/08/rodr...
>
>
> Not to smart for Lance to dope baseball players on top of cyclists.

Pro baseball players have way more money. The starting salary for a
MLB player is close to the top of the cycling world pay scale.
According to the 5 year contract signed between the owners and players
in 2006, the minimum salary in 2008 was $390,000 and in 2009, the
minimum salary was $400,000.

R


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 11:10 am
From: Choppy Warburton


On Aug 8, 1:00 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 8, 1:27 pm, Choppy Warburton <choppywarbur...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 8, 10:02 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > He's even taken to injecting people himself!http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2010/08/08/rodr...
>
> > Not to smart for Lance to dope baseball players on top of cyclists.
>
> Pro baseball players have way more money.  The starting salary for a
> MLB player is close to the top of the cycling world pay scale.
> According to the 5 year contract signed between the owners and players
> in 2006, the minimum salary in 2008 was $390,000 and in 2009, the
> minimum salary was $400,000.
>
> R

Maybe Lance is trying to earn some extra cash to pay for his defense.
(or water bill - it's been hot in texass

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TOPIC: LA doping theory
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b457906638ce0256?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 11:12 am
From: "GoneBeforeMyTime"


RicodJour wrote:
> On Aug 8, 12:08 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
> wrote:
>> "Choppy Warburton" <choppywarbur...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> In a single post you have convinced me on the "Henry Dope Theory"
>>
>> Not at all. It explains everything. Those supposed positive "B"
>> samples were the equivalent of "contact highs" from being around
>> dopers.
>
> Right. Now if it were a "contract high" then everybody's guilty and
> going to the pokey.
>
> R

Pokey, yeah that's just about what it is. Glad I never took a job there.
There is a huge women's prison not far from here. Come to think of it, dam
prisons are everywhere, too many of those dam things here in California.
They say more money is spent on prisons then on public schools.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 2:46 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Aug 8, 6:05 am, Choppy Warburton <choppywarbur...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In a single post you have convinced me on the "Henry Dope Theory"

I agree, I like it. Must really piss off the "Lance ruined pro
cycling" faction.

Brad Anders

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TOPIC: Trek in the News
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cbf6db71fdc29df0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 11:39 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Aug 8, 9:16 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
> Too bad they don't do exit polls on juries to ask them what convinced
> them one way or another. Or maybe a rate the attorneys thing like you
> have in school for professors.
>

It was probably fairly obvious to them, or at least to the
judge. Remember, you're in there once, and they're in
there day after day they must get a sense of how to read
how a trial is going.

When I was on a jury (it was a driving under the influence
of Xanax charge, plus various associated things) we let the
defendant off on most of the charges and hung on the actual
DUI charge, or maybe it was a reckless driving charge.
The judge came in to talk to us about after we returned the
verdict and then brought in both the ADA and public defender
to talk. This may have been partly so they could decide whether
to retry the hung charge or plead it down, and also may
have been because both the ADA and PD were young
and the judge wanted to give them feedback, but in any
case, the exit interview you're thinking of does sometimes
happen.

Fredmaster Ben


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 1:06 pm
From: Michael Press


In article
<a9b7e48b-e0ac-4763-8471-b59017c69452@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 8, 3:03 am, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > You did not think this through.
> > Question: How are you going to curb these prosecutions?
> > Answer:   By juries finding the defendant not guilty.
> >
> > Hence, the money spent on the trial where Mike was a juror
> > is money well spent.
>
> That's kind of like having your wallet stolen by a hooker to figure
> out that a crack whore can't be trusted. Weird, but I see your point.

You do not see my point.

--
Michael Press

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TOPIC: Basketball scandals are much better
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/458e767d053d8c42?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 11:40 am
From: yirgster


On Aug 8, 10:24 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 2:34 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/bigeast/2010-08...
>
> > She seems very friendly.
>
> Damn.  Way, way better.http://deadspin.com/5602332/heres-karen-sypher-seconds-away-from-blow...
>
> And we have to sit through some boring doping bullshit.  It just isn't
> fair!  Well, I'll just have to keep my hopes up that there will be a
> bombshell dropped during the doping investigation - maybe pictures of
> the Olsen twins tag-teaming LANCE?
>
> R

OT:

I think the patino stuff was pretty boring. Here's an hilarious video
on tiger woods and other high profile sex: http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/267106

More interesting, if that's the word, in the college basketball/
football scene is the endemic skirting and outright violation of
recruiting rules, the agents and hangers on even for high school
players, and, though perfectly legal, the virtual hiring in bb of one-
year players on their way to the pros (a consequence of the NBA rule),
and worse in my opinion the coaching salaries. All of these (and more)
contributing to the the quantum leap in the dominance (and I would
personally say, corruption) of big-time athletics superseding
academic mission.

I much favor the club system that exists in Europe.

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TOPIC: Eldrich & Lance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7b3d2a35c6e696bf?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 12:43 pm
From: Cicero Venatio


When you take performance drugs out, oh how common the heroes become.
Eldrich (formally Tiger) Woods finished last in his latest outing.
Being steroid free has really thrown a monkey wrench in Eldrich's game,
in fact he almost looks like a beginning golfer. Look at Contador, he
wins because the other guy dropped his chain, a very forgettable Tour de
France. Lance, without the help of the black bag, looked like a mere
commuter on hybrid when he was in that dust cloud on that dirt stage.
The rest of the time he has pack-fill as he was towed around the tour
riding always in the draft of others.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 1:25 pm
From: Plano Dude


On Aug 8, 2:43 pm, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> When you take performance drugs out, oh how common the heroes become.
> Eldrich (formally Tiger) Woods finished last in his latest outing.
> Being steroid free has really thrown a monkey wrench in Eldrich's game,
> in fact he almost looks like a beginning golfer.  Look at Contador, he
> wins because the other guy dropped his chain, a very forgettable Tour de
> France.  Lance, without the help of the black bag, looked like a mere
> commuter on hybrid when he was in that dust cloud on that dirt stage.
> The rest of the time he has pack-fill as he was towed around the tour
> riding always in the draft of others.

Reading between the lines, you not only endorse doping, you find a
'clean' tour to be forgettable. No wonder so many RAAM riders have
been slaughtered on the altar of truck grilles.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 2:54 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Aug 8, 12:43 pm, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> When you take performance drugs out, oh how common the heroes become.
> Eldrich (formally Tiger) Woods finished last in his latest outing.

Don't tell me: you still call Muhammad Ali by the name "Cassius Clay",
right?

Brad Anders


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 3:06 pm
From: Sneakyfox Pepsifranke


I can't stand racists but I love chicken

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhcOWmjSBlg

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 3:56 pm
From: Cicero Venatio

>
> Reading between the lines, you not only endorse doping, you find a
> 'clean' tour to be forgettable. No wonder so many RAAM riders have
> been slaughtered on the altar of truck grilles.
----------
When you are getting sponsorships in the millions, are you going to put
little bit more Gatorade powder in your bottle, do a few more reps in
the weight room, or are you going to give them "Superman"? And there is
only one way to be a Superman, it's either the black bag, or compete in
RAAM now that you've brought that up. Eldrich would be welcome also, it
would be good for some character building on his part. And it would not
shock me to see Lance enter RAAM, as he loves to compete. Unlike some
of his mtb adventures, I think he could win RAAM quite easily.

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TOPIC: Interesting article on Tourmalet VAMs & watts/kg -
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/caf0ab5a02e189d7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 1:43 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"

"Choppy Warburton" <choppywarburton@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:03d13a21-1f34-4127-8cbd-671c873c63a1@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> we beat it to death already
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_thread/thread/b0833c018a7b5c8d/f2f99e7d83d21376?lnk=gst&q=watts+per+kg#f2f99e7d83d21376
>
Beat what to death? No, don't answer that.

There was virtually no substance in that thread at all, just a bunch of
guys throwing insults at each other.

Do people here think that Schleck & Contador tapered off at the top of
the Tourmalet because they had nothing left, or because Andy basically
gave up and there was nothing left for either to prove? Contador was
smart not to keep it up, because it was really difficult to know just
what Schleck might have been capable of. Schleck was to Contador as Jan
was to Lance in my opinion. Lots of mind games going on. And thus the
decline in output at the top of the climb had nothing to do with doping.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 2:16 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Aug 8, 1:43 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> "Choppy Warburton" <choppywarbur...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:03d13a21-1f34-4127-8cbd-671c873c63a1@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...> we beat it to death already
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_thread/thre...
>
> Beat what to death? No, don't answer that.
>
> There was virtually no substance in that thread at all, just a bunch of
> guys throwing insults at each other.
>
> Do people here think that Schleck & Contador tapered off at the top of
> the Tourmalet because they had nothing left, or because Andy basically
> gave up and there was nothing left for either to prove? Contador was
> smart not to keep it up, because it was really difficult to know just
> what Schleck might have been capable of. Schleck was to Contador as Jan
> was to Lance in my opinion. Lots of mind games going on. And thus the
> decline in output at the top of the climb had nothing to do with doping.
>

I don't think one can deduce the presence or
absence of doping from a decline in output at the
top of a climb.

Any given climb is affected by racing tactics, how fast the
previous climb was raced, whether the two guys at the
top are better or worse than last year ... If the estimated
power outputs from climb times continue to be lower than
mid-90s to mid-2000s values over a variety of riders
and climbs, maybe that will allow us to tell something.
But the sportsscientists.com guys have a tendency to
jump to conclusions that fit their mental model.

I stopped taking the sportsscientists.com people seriously
when one of their criticisms of Coyle's article on Armstrong's
efficiency was that Coyle only tested LA during the off- or
early-season, never during the Tour which is when it really
counts, and asked, why didn't he do that? There are a lot of
criticisms one can make of Coyle, but that is being
deliberately dense or misleading. Why didn't Armstrong submit
to a VO2max test during the god-damned Tour de France?
Not even God's own cleanest of the clean would consent to a
VO2max test to exhaustion during a 3-week Tour! Sheesh.

Fredmaster Ben


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TOPIC: Road Racing Demographics
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 1:50 pm
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"


On Aug 7, 11:31 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> Like I said, I found this interesting.

Equally disturbing, er, I mean "interesting", is the winner of the
USAC elite TT ... who is also the winner of the elite RR ... who is
also the winner of the M 35+ TT and RR. The future is USA cycling
indeed. Any self-respecting cat 1 in his 20's should be embarrassed.

Around here ... if everyone over 35 stopped racing the category fields
would have only handfuls of racers.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 2:52 pm
From: Brad Anders


I started racing as an intermediate in '72 for NCVC in D.C. In
general, dads didn't race. Instead, they ran the club, organized the
events, and spent their time on developing their kids. As a result, we
had about as many kids (midgets, intermediates, and juniors) as
seniors, and two of our riders in the junior ranks were pretty top-
level (Eric Dubbe and Stefan Dolezalek). As a kid, it was a great time
to be racing.

Seems like things are very different today.

Brad Anders

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 4:25 pm
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"


On Aug 8, 5:52 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Seems like things are very different today.

These days everyone seems to want $ to coach kids -- in any sport.
And the parents' egos seem more than happy to pay for the privilege of
having their own little professional in the house.

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TOPIC: r.b.c to l.t.l
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f073beb0f5ba8a83?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 2:04 pm
From: Ronko


rec.bicycles.racing has essentially become let's.trash.lance.
So an official name change is in order.
Perhaps so posts about bicycle racing?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 2:26 pm
From: "Steve Freides"


Ronko wrote:
> rec.bicycles.racing has essentially become let's.trash.lance.

Only if you don't use a killfile.

> So an official name change is in order.

See above.

-S-

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TOPIC: It's Un-American and Un-Ethical!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c30bd6c76f0e1ed5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 2:22 pm
From: Uncle Dave


On Aug 6, 10:42 pm, Sneakyfox Pepsifranke
<sneaky.fox.and.pepsi.fra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is this somehow news to the British that they have disgusting teeth?
>
> You guys are such boobs.

Well, I know Americans think we have, but then Americans thought Iraq
had WMDs so, nuff said really...

UD


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TOPIC: New way to be a "World Champion"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/953a2d791e992200?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 2:59 pm
From: Brad Anders


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-08/sauna-world-championships-claim-life-of-russian-contestant-in-finland.html

I wonder what kind of dope they use?

Brad Anders

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TOPIC: Found in the RBR Archives - best theory on Lance's advantage I've seen
so far
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f65661399e07b3eb?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 3:04 pm
From: Sneakyfox Pepsifranke


Forget about all of the positive EPO tests, steroid creams and the
unknown agents that will be identified in the next 10 years. Forget
about all that. Researchers at Ball State have finally identified
Armstrong's cycling advantage.

According to the report:

Over his 7 Tour wins Lance's winning margin is calculated to be .03%
over the second place finishers.

The frictional losses attributed to having two testicles in the
nutsack
(nuts * n)/rpm)*overall time)) = from .05% to .09% depending on the
size of the nuts and whether or not the teabag has been shaved smooth.

According to Dr. Dick Islong of the BS physiology department, "Just
having a smooth scrotum can cut more that 2 seconds off a prologue
time
trial! Many of us here at Ball State are tingling with excitement at
this research."

"Motor losses and friction are multiplied when the two testicles
combat
each other with every pedal stroke, while Lance's single ball is left
peacefully in the middle. Over hundreds of thousands of pedal
strokes 'old lefty' acts as a single ball bearing that alternately
assists
the inner thigh of the opposing leg twice for each revolution."

"We are now looking for other test subjects to see if having no balls
at all leads to further gains however none of the ball-less cowards
from the Bush administration has had the time to make it to Indiana.
It's not like we're Ohio or Florida for fucks sake! " concluded Dr.
Islong


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 3:34 pm
From: "GoneBeforeMyTime"


Sneakyfox Pepsifranke wrote:
> Forget about all of the positive EPO tests, steroid creams and the
> unknown agents that will be identified in the next 10 years. Forget
> about all that. Researchers at Ball State have finally identified
> Armstrong's cycling advantage.
>
> According to the report:
>
> Over his 7 Tour wins Lance's winning margin is calculated to be .03%
> over the second place finishers.
>
> The frictional losses attributed to having two testicles in the
> nutsack
> (nuts * n)/rpm)*overall time)) = from .05% to .09% depending on the
> size of the nuts and whether or not the teabag has been shaved smooth.
>
> According to Dr. Dick Islong of the BS physiology department, "Just
> having a smooth scrotum can cut more that 2 seconds off a prologue
> time
> trial! Many of us here at Ball State are tingling with excitement at
> this research."
>
> "Motor losses and friction are multiplied when the two testicles
> combat
> each other with every pedal stroke, while Lance's single ball is left
> peacefully in the middle. Over hundreds of thousands of pedal
> strokes 'old lefty' acts as a single ball bearing that alternately
> assists
> the inner thigh of the opposing leg twice for each revolution."
>
> "We are now looking for other test subjects to see if having no balls
> at all leads to further gains however none of the ball-less cowards
> from the Bush administration has had the time to make it to Indiana.
> It's not like we're Ohio or Florida for fucks sake! " concluded Dr.
> Islong

Best theory why he must be doped is probably the climbing thread about Alp
D'Heuz. I'd actually like to re-read that sometime.

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TOPIC: Which one of you is this?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/abcdce0d761f7fb1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 3:11 pm
From: Sneakyfox Pepsifranke


http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=65ea873fF2Y&feature=channel


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TOPIC: Another RBR classic
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1a9465c81b28baca?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 8 2010 3:13 pm
From: Sneakyfox Pepsifranke


That guy is so pissed - it would be a bad day to be a wal-mart sheet
cake in that house.

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=tV1OXJtjjA0&feature=related


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