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Today's topics:
* Is Chris Horner the next George Blanda? - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0399d2b6ba191b2c?hl=en
* AP on Novitsky - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e31223907bd14a76?hl=en
* Landis drug runner bike recovered. - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5d6218a605190f54?hl=en
* If you're suspended for doping, can you challenge your buddy to city limit
sign sprint? - 6 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/702f1c625f4bf6a4?hl=en
* Any more Boys from Brazil expected? - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c264c8acd9ac4e9c?hl=en
* The Limitations of pro athletes - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4f848250457bd359?hl=en
* Do these girls ride side saddle or what? - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a98e72461d34e54b?hl=en
* the TRON-ification of cycling has begun - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a779ee1a1df06a47?hl=en
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TOPIC: Is Chris Horner the next George Blanda?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0399d2b6ba191b2c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 11:05 am
From: Frederick the Great
In article <i42grd$2g8$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Kurgan Gringioni" <soulinthemachine@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Frederick the Great" <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:rubrum-AB7B2C.11511812082010@news.albasani.net...
> : In article <rOqdnUF2fKqCgP7RnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> : "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> :
> : > And he'll be 39 years old. I think the one thing we can all agree upon
> is
> : > that Lance proved that it's easy to ride "a Tour too far."
> :
> : The only way a champion athlete can retire
> : from the sport mentally is to get thoroughly beaten down.
> : It is the only thing he knows as an athlete;
> : the only thing that will get through the defenses.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> That's not true. There are exceptions.
>
> Sandy Koufax quit on top. So did Jim Brown and Barry Sanders.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
So did Joe DiMaggio. He retired early so he could get
at the money various "restauranteurs" had given him to
show up at their places. NTTIAWWT.
--
Old Fritz
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 11:08 am
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<ff786971-7913-431b-9aae-6873c7c67513@i4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 9:14 pm, "Kurgan Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > "Frederick the Great" <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote in messagenews:rubrum-AB7B2C.11511812082010@news.albasani.net...
> > : In article <rOqdnUF2fKqCgP7RnZ2dnUVZ_o6dn...@earthlink.com>,
> > : "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> > :
> > : > And he'll be 39 years old. I think the one thing we can all agree upon
> > is
> > : > that Lance proved that it's easy to ride "a Tour too far."
> > :
> > : The only way a champion athlete can retire
> > : from the sport mentally is to get thoroughly beaten down.
> > : It is the only thing he knows as an athlete;
> > : the only thing that will get through the defenses.
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > That's not true. There are exceptions.
> >
> > Sandy Koufax quit on top. So did Jim Brown and Barry Sanders.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> I've said it before: boxers and football players who retire "at the
> top" are understandable, considering how brutal those sports can be,
> and how cumulative the damage is.
>
> But while I don't think I get a vote in athlete's retirement date, I
> don't think there's anything especially honorable or admirable about
> quitting on top.
>
> Aside from the example of Lance, we have a local one in hockey player
> Trevor Linden: was a first-line forward at the peak of his career, but
> spent his last year or two playing in Vancouver at near-minimum
> salaries, contributing as a 4th-liner, and apparently having fun all
> the way. He pretty much retired the moment before he would have been
> cut from the team, I think.
>
> Mark Messier is a slightly less wonderful example of staying to the
> end, but he was still an able, NHL-grade player in his final season.
> Just not a first-liner.
>
> The thing about sports is the time limits are hard and come quickly.
> I'm not sure what purpose is served, for athletes who still want to
> play, to retire before they get cut from the team: maintaining high-
> average career stats doesn't seem like enough.
Yes. Play out the string.
--
Old Fritz
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TOPIC: AP on Novitsky
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e31223907bd14a76?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 11:19 am
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<284ac956-02a7-4fda-9c6e-61d8a37897c3@g6g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjweiner@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 11, 5:04 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > On 8/11/2010 7:42 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > The grand jury is something of a formality because, as was
> > > previously alluded to in re: U.S. vs. Ham Sandwich, a prosecutor
> > > can nearly always persuade the grand jury to return an
> > > indictment. That does not mean the indicted party is
> > > necessarily going to be convicted by the trial jury.
> >
> > > Fredmaster Ben
> >
> > While generally true, there have been instances where grand juries have
> > refused to return an indictment. The only thing a grand jury is there
> > for is to find there is reasonable basis on which to charge a person
> > with a crime.
>
> Here's an example - an extreme example - of a
> grand jury refusing to indict, in Phoenix:
>
> http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/08/12/20100812sheriff-joe-arpaio-investigation-documents-released-thursday.html
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/28d7h65
>
> It has to be said that this is a very special case, basically
> Sheriff Joe Arpaio, possibly the dirtiest, most incompetent
> law enforcement official in the US, and his crony in the
> country attorney's office, cooking up investigations of any
> politician or judge in the county who dares to cross them,
> doesn't do their bidding, or looks like a potential rival for
> power. Banana-republic type stuff. Fortunately it appears
> that their incompetence rivals their dirtiness.
You are taking sides in a dirty political fight. This
is not a typical grand jury. It is a tool in a dirty
political fight. Unsealing the records is evidence that
it is a dirty political fight. The unsealing order may
even be a move by a party in the dirty political fight.
--
Old Fritz
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TOPIC: Landis drug runner bike recovered.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5d6218a605190f54?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 11:44 am
From: raamman
On Aug 13, 7:23 am, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 13, 12:15 am, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 12, 9:08 pm, TheCoz <cycled...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/Bike-bought-for-5-at-yard-sale-bel...
>
> > > Found on an interstate, must have been in hot pursuit?
> > > Coz
>
> > it reveals how much spite the owner had for his custom made bike and
> > his sponsor to discard it like that.
>
> > spite.
>
> > scorn.
>
> > one flucked up boy
>
> Nice sig line.
>
> Where is your proof that *Landis* discarded the bike?
not proof; but it was given to him, that implies ownership or
responsibility for; it was not reported stolen when it went missing- I
would think that the sponsor expected the bike to kept in floyds
possession and did not request it's return (floyd probabally needed
room in his van for a few cases of beer on the way back from ledville
or wherever)
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 2:49 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Aug 13, 11:44 am, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 13, 7:23 am, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 13, 12:15 am, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 12, 9:08 pm, TheCoz <cycled...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/Bike-bought-for-5-at-yard-sale-bel...
>
> > > > Found on an interstate, must have been in hot pursuit?
> > > > Coz
>
> > > it reveals how much spite the owner had for his custom made bike and
> > > his sponsor to discard it like that.
>
> > > spite.
>
> > > scorn.
>
> > > one flucked up boy
>
> > Nice sig line.
>
> > Where is your proof that *Landis* discarded the bike?
>
> not proof; but it was given to him, that implies ownership or
> responsibility for; it was not reported stolen when it went missing- I
> would think that the sponsor expected the bike to kept in floyds
> possession and did not request it's return (floyd probabally needed
> room in his van for a few cases of beer on the way back from ledville
> or wherever)
You remind me of the guy from university inventory
control who comes around each year to check the
inventory tags on the 30-year-old bookshelf, the
broken office chair that's in the hallway, the 10 year old
computer that isn't plugged in anymore. Somebody
signed for that office chair, and if it's missing there's
gonna be TROUBLE!
Fredmaster Ben
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 6:24 pm
From: raamman
On Aug 13, 5:49 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 13, 11:44 am, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 13, 7:23 am, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 13, 12:15 am, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 12, 9:08 pm, TheCoz <cycled...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/Bike-bought-for-5-at-yard-sale-bel...
>
> > > > > Found on an interstate, must have been in hot pursuit?
> > > > > Coz
>
> > > > it reveals how much spite the owner had for his custom made bike and
> > > > his sponsor to discard it like that.
>
> > > > spite.
>
> > > > scorn.
>
> > > > one flucked up boy
>
> > > Nice sig line.
>
> > > Where is your proof that *Landis* discarded the bike?
>
> > not proof; but it was given to him, that implies ownership or
> > responsibility for; it was not reported stolen when it went missing- I
> > would think that the sponsor expected the bike to kept in floyds
> > possession and did not request it's return (floyd probabally needed
> > room in his van for a few cases of beer on the way back from ledville
> > or wherever)
>
> You remind me of the guy from university inventory
> control who comes around each year to check the
> inventory tags on the 30-year-old bookshelf, the
> broken office chair that's in the hallway, the 10 year old
> computer that isn't plugged in anymore. Somebody
> signed for that office chair, and if it's missing there's
> gonna be TROUBLE!
>
> Fredmaster Ben- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
it did go missing; floyd had it and apparently discarded it- my point
is that floyd has no respect for his sponsors, the equiptment and by
extension, the sport. would you not wince if you saw a kid lean the
top tube of his new colnago against the corner of a brick wall ?
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 6:55 pm
From: RicodJour
On Aug 13, 9:24 pm, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 13, 5:49 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 13, 11:44 am, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Aug 13, 7:23 am, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Where is your proof that *Landis* discarded the bike?
>
> > > not proof; but it was given to him, that implies ownership or
> > > responsibility for; it was not reported stolen when it went missing- I
> > > would think that the sponsor expected the bike to kept in floyds
> > > possession and did not request it's return (floyd probabally needed
> > > room in his van for a few cases of beer on the way back from ledville
> > > or wherever)
>
> > You remind me of the guy from university inventory
> > control who comes around each year to check the
> > inventory tags on the 30-year-old bookshelf, the
> > broken office chair that's in the hallway, the 10 year old
> > computer that isn't plugged in anymore. Somebody
> > signed for that office chair, and if it's missing there's
> > gonna be TROUBLE!
>
> it did go missing; floyd had it and apparently discarded it- my point
> is that floyd has no respect for his sponsors, the equiptment and by
> extension, the sport. would you not wince if you saw a kid lean the
> top tube of his new colnago against the corner of a brick wall ?
Whether he dwarf-tossed it out of the back of the van, it was on the
roof and fell off without anybody realizing it, or it was stolen, so
what? What's the big deal? I mean seriously - do you really care?
R
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TOPIC: If you're suspended for doping, can you challenge your buddy to city
limit sign sprint?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/702f1c625f4bf6a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 12:10 pm
From: --D-y
On Aug 12, 2:43 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
wrote:
> There is nothing wrong with taking your sport seriously. There is
> everything wrong with expecting other people to take your sport
> seriously. Our sport is ass deep with people that think their hobby
> is much more important than a hobby.
Lots of people have avocations (dict. says from latin, "to call away")
that, again as the dictionary says, are their true passions in life,
although they might make all or most of their livings doing something
completely different.
Nothing abnormal or "wrong" about it, at least at first look.
> Look at it this way. If a rider is going to commit some sin against
> society through their riding, be it doping or be it neglecting
> other responsibilities in order to maximize racing performance
Lots of people neglect "other responsibilities" just to make a living.
My dad used to be forced under threat of instant termination with
*nothing* (pension, etc.) to work 16 hours a day, at times.
>, a
> necessary first step is to convince yourself that racing is more
> important than it actually is.
That's a personal decision. The Bosticks come to mind. I don't know
them personally or know *anything* about their private lives. Just as
an example of a totally serious racing couple (who did maintain
professional careers, come to think of it), did they commit a "sin
against society" by not giving up the racing to have a family? (which
they may have done for all I know; again, I'm only using them as a
kind of cardboard cutout example here)
I've taught my kids that the only "responsibility" they have is for
themselves. Surviving the Viet Nam War era (high school class of '67,
baby!) left me with a certain mindset about this "social contract"
bullshit, just to 'splain where I'm coming from.
> If you want people to stop charging
> up for industrial park crits, the most efficient and cost effective
> approach is to convince people to stop taking industrial park
> crits so fucking seriously.
That's where you are wrong wrong wrong. People "charge up" to feel
good (or different, anyhow <g>), to look good (ditto), to perform
better at work, so forth and so on.
You'll never "convince" the super-competitive among us to lighten up
on anything. Get real.
> And to not get bent out of shape over
> other people that aren't emotionally mature enough to come to that
> state.
Excuse me, but you sound a whole lot closer to being "bent out of
shape" than I do, if that's what you meant.
> When the NRC series came through here my kid and I went to see the
> races. One of the points I made as we watched was that almost all
> of the pros would be better off going to college rather than trying
> to make a living racing bikes.
Yeah, I've made that point over and over again with my kids, and I did
have a nice talk with one of our successful Junior racers about racing
to his utmost but also TCB on a career that will pay bills. From my
own experience in another area of life, don't you know.
They listened, but they're gonna do what they're gonna do. Then you
have to support them. I know what happens when parents don't support
their kids' interests. FWIW, not a whine because I did it my way <g>.
Suggestion: Use Dr. Eric Heiden as an example. Two sports careers
didn't keep him from becoming a doc. Hell, he could probably coasted
on that Wheaties contract, you know?
--D-y
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 12:43 pm
From: Ben Trovato
On Aug 12, 4:13 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <ef671559-1c3a-4359-b15d-36ae627f7...@j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > if someone doesn't like the rules they can set up their own governing
> > body or simply choose to compete in events run by other bodies.
>
> USA Cycling is the only organization authorized to
>
> Part 4. Conduct National Championships a n d
> select teams to represent the United States of
> America in international and Olympic
> competition.
>
> Part 5. Represent the sport of bicycle racing i n
> the United States of America to other national,
> international, and Olympic sports organizations.
>
> so you cannot just set up your own governing body.
> USA Cycling has the franchise. You will first have
> to pry it from their cold, dead fingers. You up for
> that, Anton?
>
> --
> Old Fritz
google OBRA or FIAC.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 1:54 pm
From: Fred Flintstein
On 8/13/2010 2:10 PM, --D-y wrote:
> On Aug 12, 2:43 pm, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> There is nothing wrong with taking your sport seriously. There is
>> everything wrong with expecting other people to take your sport
>> seriously. Our sport is ass deep with people that think their hobby
>> is much more important than a hobby.
>
> Lots of people have avocations (dict. says from latin, "to call away")
> that, again as the dictionary says, are their true passions in life,
> although they might make all or most of their livings doing something
> completely different.
> Nothing abnormal or "wrong" about it, at least at first look.
>
>> Look at it this way. If a rider is going to commit some sin against
>> society through their riding, be it doping or be it neglecting
>> other responsibilities in order to maximize racing performance
>
> Lots of people neglect "other responsibilities" just to make a living.
> My dad used to be forced under threat of instant termination with
> *nothing* (pension, etc.) to work 16 hours a day, at times.
>
>> , a
>> necessary first step is to convince yourself that racing is more
>> important than it actually is.
>
> That's a personal decision. The Bosticks come to mind. I don't know
> them personally or know *anything* about their private lives. Just as
> an example of a totally serious racing couple (who did maintain
> professional careers, come to think of it), did they commit a "sin
> against society" by not giving up the racing to have a family? (which
> they may have done for all I know; again, I'm only using them as a
> kind of cardboard cutout example here)
>
> I've taught my kids that the only "responsibility" they have is for
> themselves. Surviving the Viet Nam War era (high school class of '67,
> baby!) left me with a certain mindset about this "social contract"
> bullshit, just to 'splain where I'm coming from.
>
>> If you want people to stop charging
>> up for industrial park crits, the most efficient and cost effective
>> approach is to convince people to stop taking industrial park
>> crits so fucking seriously.
>
> That's where you are wrong wrong wrong. People "charge up" to feel
> good (or different, anyhow<g>), to look good (ditto), to perform
> better at work, so forth and so on.
> You'll never "convince" the super-competitive among us to lighten up
> on anything. Get real.
>
>> And to not get bent out of shape over
>> other people that aren't emotionally mature enough to come to that
>> state.
>
> Excuse me, but you sound a whole lot closer to being "bent out of
> shape" than I do, if that's what you meant.
>
>> When the NRC series came through here my kid and I went to see the
>> races. One of the points I made as we watched was that almost all
>> of the pros would be better off going to college rather than trying
>> to make a living racing bikes.
>
> Yeah, I've made that point over and over again with my kids, and I did
> have a nice talk with one of our successful Junior racers about racing
> to his utmost but also TCB on a career that will pay bills. From my
> own experience in another area of life, don't you know.
> They listened, but they're gonna do what they're gonna do. Then you
> have to support them. I know what happens when parents don't support
> their kids' interests. FWIW, not a whine because I did it my way<g>.
>
> Suggestion: Use Dr. Eric Heiden as an example. Two sports careers
> didn't keep him from becoming a doc. Hell, he could probably coasted
> on that Wheaties contract, you know?
> --D-y
Just to clarify, I did not say that taking your sport seriously is
a crime against humanity. What I said was... "There is nothing
wrong with taking your sport seriously. There is everything wrong
with expecting other people to take your sport seriously. Our sport
is ass deep with people that think their hobby is much more
important than a hobby."
rbr is a hobby to me. I don't expect anyone to take it that
seriously.
As a side note, Eric Heiden took his skating very seriously. But
we both know Fatty Masters that take cycling more seriously than
he did and he did, in fact, ride the Tour.
Fred Flintstein
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 2:45 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Aug 12, 4:13 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <ef671559-1c3a-4359-b15d-36ae627f7...@j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > if someone doesn't like the rules they can set up their own governing
> > body or simply choose to compete in events run by other bodies.
>
> USA Cycling is the only organization authorized to
>
> Part 4. Conduct National Championships a n d
> select teams to represent the United States of
> America in international and Olympic
> competition.
>
> Part 5. Represent the sport of bicycle racing i n
> the United States of America to other national,
> international, and Olympic sports organizations.
>
> so you cannot just set up your own governing body.
> USA Cycling has the franchise. You will first have
> to pry it from their cold, dead fingers. You up for
> that, Anton?
Actually they just have the franchise on national
championships and international competition.
As (se non vero, e) Ben Trovato pointed out, you can
promote a race and get it sanctioned (and insured)
through other organizations: FIAC, OBRA, CBR.
In principle, a USAC rider cannot ride in a race
sanctioned by another organization. In practice,
USAC does not enforce that rule, especially at the
category level. It would only become an issue
if you do something that really gets under their
skin or violates the spirit of a rule. That seems
arbitrary, but in practice it generally works. USAC
doesn't worry about some random rider showing
up to a local non-USAC MTB race on the weekend
(I don't think they even care about a Div 3 pro
doing the same). But if you race a non-USAC race
while suspended, it's thumbing your nose at the
suspension and you shouldn't be totally surprised
that the governing body gets agitated.
Fredmaster Ben
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 4:43 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<35d85757-013a-4569-b0bc-2cd2fbdcd7fa@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjweiner@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 4:13 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <ef671559-1c3a-4359-b15d-36ae627f7...@j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > if someone doesn't like the rules they can set up their own governing
> > > body or simply choose to compete in events run by other bodies.
> >
> > USA Cycling is the only organization authorized to
> >
> > Part 4. Conduct National Championships a n d
> > select teams to represent the United States of
> > America in international and Olympic
> > competition.
> >
> > Part 5. Represent the sport of bicycle racing i n
> > the United States of America to other national,
> > international, and Olympic sports organizations.
> >
> > so you cannot just set up your own governing body.
> > USA Cycling has the franchise. You will first have
> > to pry it from their cold, dead fingers. You up for
> > that, Anton?
>
> Actually they just have the franchise on national
> championships and international competition.
> As (se non vero, e) Ben Trovato pointed out, you can
> promote a race and get it sanctioned (and insured)
> through other organizations: FIAC, OBRA, CBR.
>
> In principle, a USAC rider cannot ride in a race
> sanctioned by another organization. In practice,
> USAC does not enforce that rule, especially at the
> category level. It would only become an issue
> if you do something that really gets under their
> skin or violates the spirit of a rule. That seems
> arbitrary, but in practice it generally works. USAC
> doesn't worry about some random rider showing
> up to a local non-USAC MTB race on the weekend
> (I don't think they even care about a Div 3 pro
> doing the same). But if you race a non-USAC race
> while suspended, it's thumbing your nose at the
> suspension and you shouldn't be totally surprised
> that the governing body gets agitated.
Thus is Amit's advice confounded.
"if someone doesn't like the rules they can set up their own governing
body or simply choose to compete in events run by other bodies."
USAC rules the roost; and there is nothing anybody
can do about it, short of proving gross malfeasance
by USAC; and sustained efforts to do that have come
to naught.
--
Old Fritz
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 6:24 pm
From: Amit Ghosh
On Aug 13, 7:43 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <35d85757-013a-4569-b0bc-2cd2fbdcd...@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 4:13 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <ef671559-1c3a-4359-b15d-36ae627f7...@j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > if someone doesn't like the rules they can set up their own governing
> > > > body or simply choose to compete in events run by other bodies.
>
> > > USA Cycling is the only organization authorized to
>
> > > Part 4. Conduct National Championships a n d
> > > select teams to represent the United States of
> > > America in international and Olympic
> > > competition.
>
> > > Part 5. Represent the sport of bicycle racing i n
> > > the United States of America to other national,
> > > international, and Olympic sports organizations.
>
> > > so you cannot just set up your own governing body.
> > > USA Cycling has the franchise. You will first have
> > > to pry it from their cold, dead fingers. You up for
> > > that, Anton?
>
> > Actually they just have the franchise on national
> > championships and international competition.
> > As (se non vero, e) Ben Trovato pointed out, you can
> > promote a race and get it sanctioned (and insured)
> > through other organizations: FIAC, OBRA, CBR.
>
> > In principle, a USAC rider cannot ride in a race
> > sanctioned by another organization. In practice,
> > USAC does not enforce that rule, especially at the
> > category level. It would only become an issue
> > if you do something that really gets under their
> > skin or violates the spirit of a rule. That seems
> > arbitrary, but in practice it generally works. USAC
> > doesn't worry about some random rider showing
> > up to a local non-USAC MTB race on the weekend
> > (I don't think they even care about a Div 3 pro
> > doing the same). But if you race a non-USAC race
> > while suspended, it's thumbing your nose at the
> > suspension and you shouldn't be totally surprised
> > that the governing body gets agitated.
>
> Thus is Amit's advice confounded.
>
> "if someone doesn't like the rules they can set up their own governing
> body or simply choose to compete in events run by other bodies."
>
> USAC rules the roost; and there is nothing anybody
> can do about it, short of proving gross malfeasance
> by USAC; and sustained efforts to do that have come
> to naught.
>
dumbass,
anyone can buy insurance and put on a cycling event. it doesn't have
to be through USAC, but organizers affiliate with some governing body
because there are advantages.
the question wasn't about who gets to crown national champions. i'm
not even sure that's even fundamentally that important.
the NBA doesn't crown a "national champion" or a "world champion", but
it is still the most important championship on basketball because it
is acknowledged as the league with the best players.
various pro football leagues had been set up in the US which would
partly compete with the NFL (XFL,CFL), but because they didn't succeed
doesn't mean it's not possible - i don't see what "gross malfeasance"
has to do with anything.
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 2:35 pm
From: Choppy Warburton
Carpenter / Phinney's mutant has been doing pretty well and now
injected with Armstrong doping expertise I see no reason the kid won't
win the next 12 Tours in a row.
But does anyone know if there are more spawn of cyclists coming down
the road anytime soon? Care to speculate on chance hook up and
encounters 20 years ago?
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 2:36 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 8/13/2010 5:35 PM, Choppy Warburton wrote:
> Carpenter / Phinney's mutant has been doing pretty well and now
> injected with Armstrong doping expertise I see no reason the kid won't
> win the next 12 Tours in a row.
>
> But does anyone know if there are more spawn of cyclists coming down
> the road anytime soon? Care to speculate on chance hook up and
> encounters 20 years ago?
Did Rebecca Twigg ever have a kid?
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 2:54 pm
From: "A. Dumas"
Choppy Warburton wrote:
> But does anyone know if there are more spawn of cyclists coming down
> the road anytime soon? Care to speculate on chance hook up and
> encounters 20 years ago?
I heard Burt Hoovis had a fling with Tammy Thomas.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 2:59 pm
From: bar
On Aug 13, 5:54 pm, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr> wrote:
> Choppy Warburton wrote:
> > But does anyone know if there are more spawn of cyclists coming down
> > the road anytime soon? Care to speculate on chance hook up and
> > encounters 20 years ago?
>
> I heard Burt Hoovis had a fling with Tammy Thomas.
i thought Burt was Tammy Thomas.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 3:16 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"
"Choppy Warburton" <choppywarburton@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:556a22f9-db96-434d-b2f0-104f965ac0d7@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
: Carpenter / Phinney's mutant has been doing pretty well and now
: injected with Armstrong doping expertise I see no reason the kid won't
: win the next 12 Tours in a row.
Dumbass -
He makes a lotta watts, but he still weighs too much.
Good for Paris-Roubaix, bad for TdF.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 3:07 pm
From: RicodJour
On Aug 13, 11:12 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with all of this, more or less. Except the part about people
> on rbr. I'm well-rounded: I like computers, arguing, and sprinting.
> That's three interests, surely enough.
I like climbing, but I couldn't sprint my way past a kid on a trike
without Renshaw head-butting him...or her. Does that mean I'm not
well-rounded? If you say yes, I may have to draw some conclusions
about your love of sprinting and your well-rounded jersey. :)~
R
PS You left out drinking.
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TOPIC: Do these girls ride side saddle or what?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 3:10 pm
From: TheCoz
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/cgi/gallerypicget.asp?pic=http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/babes/babes10/otbf-amsterdam.jpg
Coz
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 3:32 pm
From: "Mr. Slate"
TheCoz wrote:
> http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/cgi/gallerypicget.asp?pic=http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/babes/babes10/otbf-amsterdam.jpg
>
> Coz
Oh, looking for this thread? Longest in the history of the Internet. Start
on page 159 and go backwards.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=2133&page=159
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 5:24 pm
From: dave a
On 8/13/2010 3:32 PM, Mr. Slate wrote:
> TheCoz wrote:
>> http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/cgi/gallerypicget.asp?pic=http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/babes/babes10/otbf-amsterdam.jpg
>>
>> Coz
>
> Oh, looking for this thread? Longest in the history of the Internet. Start
> on page 159 and go backwards.
> http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=2133&page=159
>
>
Don't waste your time, just start and 'end' on 153.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 6:03 pm
From: RicodJour
On Aug 13, 8:24 pm, dave a <blkcatREMOVET...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/13/2010 3:32 PM, Mr. Slate wrote:
>
> > TheCoz wrote:
> >>http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/cgi/gallerypicget.asp?pic=http://www.pe...
>
> >> Coz
>
> > Oh, looking for this thread? Longest in the history of the Internet. Start
> > on page 159 and go backwards.
> >http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=2133&page=159
>
> Don't waste your time, just start and 'end' on 153.
From a link on that page:
http://www.ciclismo-espresso.com/2010/08/gilberts-wife-got-talent.html
Busted!
R
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 6:47 pm
From: Plano Dude
On Aug 13, 5:32 pm, "Mr. Slate" <LikeFl...@NoSpammers.com> wrote:
> TheCoz wrote:
> >http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/cgi/gallerypicget.asp?pic=http://www.pe...
>
> > Coz
>
> Oh, looking for this thread? Longest in the history of the Internet. Start
> on page 159 and go backwards.http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=2133&page=159
How many were posted (or collected) by Bruce?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 13 2010 3:13 pm
From: RicodJour
On Aug 13, 11:28 am, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> imagine a twilight crit with the whole peloton running these ...
>
> http://www.nightbrighttyre.com/
>
> or seeing the liquigas or lampre boys rolling with some appropriately
> lit up tyres ...
I think crushing rapidly reproducing bio-luminescent organisms, and
then using the resultant decay methane to power a Gruber Assist would
be better. It's green technology.
R
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