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Medarticles Articles required 22-08-10

Dear Plz help with the following articles thanks in advance

1. Analytical applications of second-order calibration methods
Gómez V, Callao MP
Anal Chim Acta. 2008 Oct 10;627(2):169-83
doi:10.1016/j.aca.2008.07.054

2. Quantitative determination in chromatographic analysis based on n-way calibration strategies.
Ortiz MC, Sarabia L
J Chromatogr A. 2007 Jul 27;1158(1-2):94-110
PMID: 17482630

3. Multivariate calibrations in UV spectrophotometric analysis
Pak J Pharm Sci. 2007 Apr;20(2):163-74.
Arayne MS, Sultana N, Bahadur SS.
PMID: 17416574

4. Second-order multivariate calibration procedures applied to high-performance liquid chromatography coupled to fast-scanning fluorescence detection for the determination of fluoroquinolones.
Cañada-Cañada F, Arancibia JA, Escandar GM, Ibañez GA, Espinosa Mansilla A, Muñoz de la Peña A, Olivieri AC.
J Chromatogr A. 2009 Jun 12;1216(24):4868-76.
PMID: 19426984

5. Multi-way chemometric methodologies and applications: a central summary of our research work.
Wu HL, Nie JF, Yu YJ, Yu RQ.
Anal Chim Acta. 2009 Sep 14;650(1):131-42.
PMID: 19720184

6. Analytical advantages of multivariate data processing. One, two, three, infinity?
Olivieri AC.
Anal Chem. 2008 Aug 1;80(15):5713-20.
PMID: 18613646

Thanks

Best Regards

P. Rathee
Asst. Professor
PDM College of Pharmacy
Bahadurgarh
Ph:09466593965
Res:01262295660

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Re: Medarticles Request for articles

1, 4 enclosed

anand
http://www.indiasarkarinaukri.com/

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Kiran <kirannn14@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I need these articles

Trk kinase inhibitors as new treatments for cancer and pain

Tao Wang ^†, Dingwei Yu & Michelle L Lamb

March 2009, Vol. 19, No. 3 , Pages 305-319

Expert opinion on Therapeutic Patents

DOI: 10.1517/13543770902721261

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1517/13543770902721261?journalCode=etp

Neuronal Histamine and Histamine Receptors in Food Intake and Obesity

Takayuki Masaki,; Hironobu Yoshimatsu,

Mini Reviews in Medicinal Chemistry, Volume 7, Number 8, August 2007 , pp. 821-825(5)

DOI: 10.2174/138955707781387885

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/mrmc/2007/00000007/00000008/art00005

The histamine H₃ receptor: from gene cloning to H₃ receptor drugs

Rob Leurs¹, Remko A. Bakker¹, Henk Timmerman¹ & Iwan J. P. de Esch¹

Nature Reviews Drug Discovery 4, 107-120 (February 2005) |

DOI:10.1038/nrd1631

http://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v4/n2/abs/nrd1631.html

Assessment of pharmacology and potential anti-obesity properties of H₃ receptor antagonists/inverse agonists

Arthur A Hancock , Michael E Brune

Expert opinion on Investigational Drugs

March 2005, Vol. 14, No. 3 , Pages 223-241

(doi:10.1517/13543784.14.3.223)

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1517/13543784.14.3.223

Therapeutic Approach of Histamine H3 Receptors in Obesity

Masaki, Takayuki; Yoshimatsu, Hironobu

Recent Patents on CNS Drug Discovery,

Volume 2, Number 3, November 2007 , pp. 238-240(3)

DOI: 10.2174/157488907782411792

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/prn/2007/00000002/00000003/art00006

Thanks

Kiran

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 20 2010 10:44 pm
From: Polarhound

On 8/21/2010 12:12 AM, MZ wrote:
> Polarhound wrote:
>> On 8/19/2010 11:16 PM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>> In article<wtSao.21523$1F6.12244@newsfe01.iad>,
>>> Polarhound<polarhound@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/18/2010 10:31 AM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The owners can get a rookie cap and more games. But I think they
>>>>> will be
>>>>> pigs.
>>>>
>>>> News flash, numbnuts: The PLAYERS want a rookie cap.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and you forgot to put "capitalist" before "pigs" like a good
>>>> commie.
>>>
>>> Just once, I wish a stupid, moronic conservative respondent understood
>>> the difference between communism and socialism.
>>>
>>> And, in all cultures, there are individuals who believe they deserve
>>> more than anyone else or are just so ignorant and greedy they demand
>>> more than others being oblivious to the issue.
>>>
>>> Read a few books, get some help, from your post you will need it, and
>>> then we can debate whether unregulated capitalistic monopolies are
>>> better at meeting society's needs than socialistic monopolies,
>>> especially when piggies are loose.
>>
>> The fact that you ignored the point that you were entirely wrong about
>> which side the wants the rookie cap has been noted.
>
> From what I understand, they want the rookie cap as a negotiating tactic.

This is one of the NFLPA proposals:

http://www.sbnation.com/2010/7/1/1547574/rookie-salary-cap-nfl-nflpa-proven-performance-plan

NFLPA's Proven Performance Plan Would Shorten Rookie Contracts,
Distribute Savings

Jul 01 2:55p by Joel Thorman

Earlier this week NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell called the
implementation of a rookie salary cap a "critical" part of the CBA
negotiations with the NFLPA.

From the NFLPA perspective, they would argue that it's the team's
decision to pay this money -- not the players. They would also point out
that first round picks are guaranteed an average of $11 million. The
other picks are hardly that lucrative. Second round picks are guaranteed
an average of $2 million and all other picks are guaranteed a max of
$668,000.

It seems as if both sides are willing to change the current system which
currently pays the top 12 picks an disproportional amount of guaranteed
money and often traps late round rookies into contracts which they
outperform.

The NFLPA's answer is the Proven Performance Plan.

In a nutshell, it would shorten the life of rookie contracts and create
savings for underpaid players as well as retired players.

Here's how it would work:

First, it entails shortening rookie contracts to a max of three years.
This takes care of the problem that clubs often face of paying a player
picked high in the draft a lot of money when he ultimately ends up as a
bust. It would also allow players who have outperformed their contracts
to negotiate market friendly deals sooner.

Second, the NFLPA says this would save clubs approximately $200 million.

$150 million of this would go to a Proven Performance Fund which would
award rookies and veterans who signed contracts that are below what
their market value is. The NFLPA also proposes the remaining $50 million
in savings be devoted to retired players with NFL owners matching that
each year to create an extra $100 million per year for retired players.

Commissioner Goodell has previously said that if rookie contracts are
leveled out, the savings could then go to veteran players. However, the
NFLPA would point to the over $400 million in unused cap space as
evidence that the owners won't necessarily use any savings on the
veteran players.

The NFLPA's plan is similar to the performance-based pay system that was
in place before the salary cap went away. The difference is that the
total money would be more (last year the performance based-pay system
was just over $100 million) and a portion of it would go to retired players.

It's an interesting plan and, even though the league has rejected it,
it's a good start for both sides because, at the very least, it's a
proposal, which means they're talking. The only way a new CBA will get
done is if both sides continue to talk.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 7:07 am
From: MZ

Polarhound wrote:
> On 8/21/2010 12:12 AM, MZ wrote:
>> Polarhound wrote:
>>> On 8/19/2010 11:16 PM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>> In article<wtSao.21523$1F6.12244@newsfe01.iad>,
>>>> Polarhound<polarhound@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/18/2010 10:31 AM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The owners can get a rookie cap and more games. But I think they
>>>>>> will be
>>>>>> pigs.
>>>>>
>>>>> News flash, numbnuts: The PLAYERS want a rookie cap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and you forgot to put "capitalist" before "pigs" like a good
>>>>> commie.
>>>>
>>>> Just once, I wish a stupid, moronic conservative respondent understood
>>>> the difference between communism and socialism.
>>>>
>>>> And, in all cultures, there are individuals who believe they deserve
>>>> more than anyone else or are just so ignorant and greedy they demand
>>>> more than others being oblivious to the issue.
>>>>
>>>> Read a few books, get some help, from your post you will need it, and
>>>> then we can debate whether unregulated capitalistic monopolies are
>>>> better at meeting society's needs than socialistic monopolies,
>>>> especially when piggies are loose.
>>>
>>> The fact that you ignored the point that you were entirely wrong about
>>> which side the wants the rookie cap has been noted.
>>
>> From what I understand, they want the rookie cap as a negotiating
>> tactic.
>
> This is one of the NFLPA proposals:
>
> http://www.sbnation.com/2010/7/1/1547574/rookie-salary-cap-nfl-nflpa-proven-performance-plan
>
>
> NFLPA's Proven Performance Plan Would Shorten Rookie Contracts,
> Distribute Savings
>
> Jul 01 2:55p by Joel Thorman
>
> Earlier this week NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell called the
> implementation of a rookie salary cap a "critical" part of the CBA
> negotiations with the NFLPA.
>
> From the NFLPA perspective, they would argue that it's the team's
> decision to pay this money -- not the players. They would also point out
> that first round picks are guaranteed an average of $11 million. The
> other picks are hardly that lucrative. Second round picks are guaranteed
> an average of $2 million and all other picks are guaranteed a max of
> $668,000.
>
> It seems as if both sides are willing to change the current system which
> currently pays the top 12 picks an disproportional amount of guaranteed
> money and often traps late round rookies into contracts which they
> outperform.
>
> The NFLPA's answer is the Proven Performance Plan.
>
> In a nutshell, it would shorten the life of rookie contracts and create
> savings for underpaid players as well as retired players.
>
> Here's how it would work:
>
> First, it entails shortening rookie contracts to a max of three years.
> This takes care of the problem that clubs often face of paying a player
> picked high in the draft a lot of money when he ultimately ends up as a
> bust. It would also allow players who have outperformed their contracts
> to negotiate market friendly deals sooner.
>
> Second, the NFLPA says this would save clubs approximately $200 million.
>
> $150 million of this would go to a Proven Performance Fund which would
> award rookies and veterans who signed contracts that are below what
> their market value is. The NFLPA also proposes the remaining $50 million
> in savings be devoted to retired players with NFL owners matching that
> each year to create an extra $100 million per year for retired players.
>
> Commissioner Goodell has previously said that if rookie contracts are
> leveled out, the savings could then go to veteran players. However, the
> NFLPA would point to the over $400 million in unused cap space as
> evidence that the owners won't necessarily use any savings on the
> veteran players.
>
> The NFLPA's plan is similar to the performance-based pay system that was
> in place before the salary cap went away. The difference is that the
> total money would be more (last year the performance based-pay system
> was just over $100 million) and a portion of it would go to retired
> players.
>
> It's an interesting plan and, even though the league has rejected it,
> it's a good start for both sides because, at the very least, it's a
> proposal, which means they're talking. The only way a new CBA will get
> done is if both sides continue to talk.
>

Right. It looks like a compromise.

I don't think they'll ever get the owners to agree to 3 years, btw.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 10:29 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:R8SdnZ62acskQPLRnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Polarhound wrote:
>> On 8/21/2010 12:12 AM, MZ wrote:
>>> Polarhound wrote:
>>>> On 8/19/2010 11:16 PM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>>> In article<wtSao.21523$1F6.12244@newsfe01.iad>,
>>>>> Polarhound<polarhound@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/18/2010 10:31 AM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The owners can get a rookie cap and more games. But I think they
>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>> pigs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> News flash, numbnuts: The PLAYERS want a rookie cap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and you forgot to put "capitalist" before "pigs" like a good
>>>>>> commie.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just once, I wish a stupid, moronic conservative respondent understood
>>>>> the difference between communism and socialism.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, in all cultures, there are individuals who believe they deserve
>>>>> more than anyone else or are just so ignorant and greedy they demand
>>>>> more than others being oblivious to the issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Read a few books, get some help, from your post you will need it, and
>>>>> then we can debate whether unregulated capitalistic monopolies are
>>>>> better at meeting society's needs than socialistic monopolies,
>>>>> especially when piggies are loose.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that you ignored the point that you were entirely wrong about
>>>> which side the wants the rookie cap has been noted.
>>>
>>> From what I understand, they want the rookie cap as a negotiating
>>> tactic.
>>
>> This is one of the NFLPA proposals:
>>
>> http://www.sbnation.com/2010/7/1/1547574/rookie-salary-cap-nfl-nflpa-proven-performance-plan
>> NFLPA's Proven Performance Plan Would Shorten Rookie Contracts,
>> Distribute Savings
>>
>> Jul 01 2:55p by Joel Thorman
>>
>> Earlier this week NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell called the
>> implementation of a rookie salary cap a "critical" part of the CBA
>> negotiations with the NFLPA.
>>
>> From the NFLPA perspective, they would argue that it's the team's
>> decision to pay this money -- not the players. They would also point out
>> that first round picks are guaranteed an average of $11 million. The
>> other picks are hardly that lucrative. Second round picks are guaranteed
>> an average of $2 million and all other picks are guaranteed a max of
>> $668,000.
>>
>> It seems as if both sides are willing to change the current system which
>> currently pays the top 12 picks an disproportional amount of guaranteed
>> money and often traps late round rookies into contracts which they
>> outperform.
>>
>> The NFLPA's answer is the Proven Performance Plan.
>>
>> In a nutshell, it would shorten the life of rookie contracts and create
>> savings for underpaid players as well as retired players.
>>
>> Here's how it would work:
>>
>> First, it entails shortening rookie contracts to a max of three years.
>> This takes care of the problem that clubs often face of paying a player
>> picked high in the draft a lot of money when he ultimately ends up as a
>> bust. It would also allow players who have outperformed their contracts
>> to negotiate market friendly deals sooner.
>>
>> Second, the NFLPA says this would save clubs approximately $200 million.
>>
>> $150 million of this would go to a Proven Performance Fund which would
>> award rookies and veterans who signed contracts that are below what their
>> market value is. The NFLPA also proposes the remaining $50 million in
>> savings be devoted to retired players with NFL owners matching that each
>> year to create an extra $100 million per year for retired players.
>>
>> Commissioner Goodell has previously said that if rookie contracts are
>> leveled out, the savings could then go to veteran players. However, the
>> NFLPA would point to the over $400 million in unused cap space as
>> evidence that the owners won't necessarily use any savings on the veteran
>> players.
>>
>> The NFLPA's plan is similar to the performance-based pay system that was
>> in place before the salary cap went away. The difference is that the
>> total money would be more (last year the performance based-pay system was
>> just over $100 million) and a portion of it would go to retired players.
>>
>> It's an interesting plan and, even though the league has rejected it,
>> it's a good start for both sides because, at the very least, it's a
>> proposal, which means they're talking. The only way a new CBA will get
>> done is if both sides continue to talk.
>>
>
> Right. It looks like a compromise.
>
> I don't think they'll ever get the owners to agree to 3 years, btw.

I think both wan't some sort of rookie cap. but after that they disagree on
the cap issues.
the owners also want a lower cap
the players aren't looking very organized and I see the owners getting most
of what they want.

it will take the NFLPA a while to recover from the disaster that Gene Upshaw
was.

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TOPIC: It's Sanchize
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c77980fcd140d533?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 12:54 am
From: JetsLife

We go as far as the kid takes us. Defense and specials will do their
job.

Hey Mark, I didn't drop $10k on season tix/PSL for bullshit. We're
counting on you!

Also no wonder fuckface Woody is charging so much -- the freaking
season tix packet is an unnecessary Jets hobby kit. It's awesome and
off the charts but hey Woody why don't u send me some paper/save money
and SIGN NO. 24!!!

All the goddamned money that I've spent on this season. U better sign
Revis. I'm calling Jets main no. right now.

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TOPIC: Any Coward Jets Fans
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e3d2d5de2594d1a1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 1:12 am
From: JetsLife

get off the bus now. The rest of us are going it for it right now in
2010.

And finally, finally, we got a leader and QB to lead us to the
Promised Land.

And a defense. Revis would be a boon.

9/13, 9/21. Then we get to smash away for real.

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TOPIC: I Called
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/b2249531298f31dd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 5:26 am
From: JetsLife

as many #s I could get a hold of. Any time I could leave a voicemail
it was: you're charging us enough for your tickets. Get Revis in to
camp.

For my part, I just want 24 back home where he belongs. I frankly miss
his small-guy tough guy presence.

It's just SUX we may not have 24 this year. He was a great Jet last
year. Tough as nails.

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TOPIC: Sorgi also injured
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 8:00 am
From: "Parker Race"

"Hammer" <stuart.feldhamer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4fa4604c-4656-490d-bf3e-c1efb4ddd6c1@z28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On the second touchdown pass to Cruz, when he got hit, looks like it
> was more serious than originally apparent. He has a torn shoulder
> capsule and will miss at least the rest of the pre-season.
>
> I like it. Jets knock out two QBs in one game. Maybe the next QB won't
> be so willing to take the hit in order to make the TD throw.

The Manning injury was due to a mistake by him or Jacobs and the Giants OL
is not a healthy starting unit. I wouldn't assume too much. They also have 1
healthy tight end. As a Giants fan I am much more concerned about the
defense looking like they picked up where they left off last year with the
exception of Antrel Rolle and possibly JPP. No QB pressure up the middle,
sloppy tackling,etc.

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TOPIC: Dungy on Rex Ryan and his mouth...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6aaeef8ffe3e54f3?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 9:20 am
From: galen_boyer@yahoo.com

"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> writes:

> I just don't think God really cares, he owned both the schools. :-)

What is it with these Christian athletes praising God whenever they win,
never mentioning his name when they lose. You never hear them say, "The
good Lord made me drop the ball" or "The good Lord tripped me up behind
the line of scrimmage".

George Carlin (I'll never say, "Rest in Peace" for him")

BTW,

I saw the movie, "Facing the Giants". Loved the movie, because I'm a
Christian and I loved that message, but, the whole praising the Lord
as though he cares who wins or loses is just plain annoying.

--
Galen Boyer

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 3:08 pm
From: Ritchie

> I saw the movie, "Facing the Giants". Loved the movie, because I'm a
> Christian and I loved that message, but, the whole praising the Lord
> as though he cares who wins or loses is just plain annoying.

Thats was a very good movie

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TOPIC: Ex-Patriot Kevin Turner with ALS
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 10:37 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2010/08/21/ex_patriot_hit_with_als_diagnosis/

Kevin Turner was strumming his guitar about 18 months ago when the fingers
of his left hand suddenly stopped listening to him. Maybe it's arthritis
creeping in, thought the former New England Patriots fullback, or lingering
effects from many a football injury.

"I was telling them, make a G chord,'' he said, "and they wouldn't move.''

Turner, known on the gridiron for his punishing blocking, had been shrugging
off growing weakness in his hand, but now he couldn't ignore it. He had
surgery to fix the neck injury that ended his career, thinking that may have
caused the hand problem. But there was no improvement, and the weakness
spread to his right arm.

Testing recently brought a stunning diagnosis: amyotrophic lateral
sclerosis, also known as ALS or Lou Gehrig's disease.

The 41-year-old Alabama native is the 14th former National Football League
player known to be diagnosed with the often-fatal and incurable nerve
disorder since 1960. That's a rate eight times higher than the rest of the
adult male population.

So many former players have been diagnosed with ALS that the NFL is
considering whether to provide benefits to help with their care, league
spokesman Greg Aiello told the Globe yesterday....

the rest of article is at the cite.

worth reading.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 11:45 am
From: MuahMan

On Aug 21, 1:37 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2010/08/21/ex...
>
> Kevin Turner was strumming his guitar about 18 months ago when the fingers
> of his left hand suddenly stopped listening to him. Maybe it's arthritis
> creeping in, thought the former New England Patriots fullback, or lingering
> effects from many a football injury.
>
> "I was telling them, make a G chord,'' he said, "and they wouldn't move.''
>
> Turner, known on the gridiron for his punishing blocking, had been shrugging
> off growing weakness in his hand, but now he couldn't ignore it. He had
> surgery to fix the neck injury that ended his career, thinking that may have
> caused the hand problem. But there was no improvement, and the weakness
> spread to his right arm.
>
> Testing recently brought a stunning diagnosis: amyotrophic lateral
> sclerosis, also known as ALS or Lou Gehrig's disease.
>
> The 41-year-old Alabama native is the 14th former National Football League
> player known to be diagnosed with the often-fatal and incurable nerve
> disorder since 1960. That's a rate eight times higher than the rest of the
> adult male population.
>
> So many former players have been diagnosed with ALS that the NFL is
> considering whether to provide benefits to help with their care, league
> spokesman Greg Aiello told the Globe yesterday....
>
> the rest of article is at the cite.
>
> worth reading.

Totally sucks. :(

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 11:50 am
From: CalC

There was also an article just written and it questioned whether
possibly Lou Gehrig may have not had Lou Gehrig's disease. It reasoned
that blunt force injuries mimicked ALS in some post mortem brains of
NFL players. Last week or 2.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 3:07 pm
From: Ritchie

> There was also an article just written and it questioned whether
> possibly Lou Gehrig may have not had Lou Gehrig's disease. It reasoned
> that blunt force injuries mimicked ALS in some post mortem brains of
> NFL players. Last week or 2.

I read that article and it was very interesting. I wish Kevin Turner
all the luck in the world in the battle he is facing.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 6:57 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"

On Aug 21, 2:50 pm, CalC <calcarpent...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> There was also an article just written and it questioned whether
> possibly Lou Gehrig may have not had Lou Gehrig's disease.

Someone should have told him not to sleep with Lou Gehrig!!!

mr dude (why can't the public health commission stop Lou Gehrig from
sprEADING THIS DISEASE!!!???

MR DUDE (SORRY i HIT THE CAPS LOCK BUTTON BY MISTAKE)

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TOPIC: Observation on the Dungy / Rex thing
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d58bb71f1c953b2c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 4:06 pm
From: Michael

On Aug 20, 6:17 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> It occurred to me that nobody seemed to pick up on the fact that back when
> Herm Edwards became headcoach of the Jets, one of his prime cheerleaders was
> Tony Dungy. When Herm left I recall Dungy talking about how great a coach
> he was etc. I realize we have the Mangini experiment in the middle of it
> all, but I really think Dungy's out of line remarks have a lot to do with
> the Jets having a good coach finally and some success and developing a
> culture of "belief"....his boy Herm could never do that. In fact, Herm was
> one of the "blame it on" type guys who to me, seemed to be full of excuses.
> Rex is a lot of things but foremost he is Rex, and a Ryan. They are who
> they are and if you don't like it so be it..but they ain't playing a
> charade. "The Preacher" was an actor...his favorite holiday was
> Halloween...he could masquerade as a football coach. Dungy stepped into a
> very good situation, not saying he didn't have some skill as a coach, but he
> had all the marbles to play with too and an owner who wanted to play the
> game. I'm thinking Tony needs to rethink and go shut his mouth. I hope
> somebody gives him a new headcoach job and he has to take Vick as his QB,
> and Herm as his OC, Asst. HC. We'll see just how good he is then. OMHO,
> Papa Carl

Again.... Hey, Tony....

FUCK YOU...

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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 5:19 pm
From: Michael

On the Jets first drive, Slauson looked very good in pass protection
until that last third down they could not convert. The DT on that
play just twisted his shoulders and got right by him and he contacted
Sanchez.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 5:30 pm
From: Michael

On Aug 21, 8:19 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On the Jets first drive, Slauson looked very good in pass protection
> until that last third down they could not convert. The DT on that
> play just twisted his shoulders and got right by him and he contacted
> Sanchez.

On the second offensive drive after the interception, Slauson had his
guy locked down well on all the passing plays. He only released his
guy once by design just prior to the pass so he could get out front to
help block. Also... The protection on the left edge has looked god
awful bad. Even Mangold blew an assignment on a play that had him
designed to run out to the left. Thus far the two best looking guys on
the line have been Moore and Woody. No chances yet to see Slauson
pulling...

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 5:41 pm
From: Michael

On Aug 21, 8:30 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 8:19 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On the Jets first drive, Slauson looked very good in pass protection
> > until that last third down they could not convert. The DT on that
> > play just twisted his shoulders and got right by him and he contacted
> > Sanchez.
>
> On the second offensive drive after the interception, Slauson had his
> guy locked down well on all the passing plays. He only released his
> guy once by design just prior to the pass so he could get out front to
> help block. Also... The protection on the left edge has looked god
> awful bad. Even Mangold blew an assignment on a play that had him
> designed to run out to the left. Thus far the two best looking guys on
> the line have been Moore and Woody. No chances yet to see Slauson
> pulling...

Third offensive drive...

Slauson looks very impressive pushing his guy to the left on the
running play to bring it to 3rd and down. He tied his man up well on
the first down run. On the first down long pass play, Slauson had
EXTENDED excellent pass protection against the tackle. Good job on
prorection on 3rd down by Slauson, but Sanchez can not coneect...

Bunus observation... Thus far, the offensice play calling and design
has been "questionable"

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 5:44 pm
From: Michael

On the first donw after the interception... Here it is.... Slauson
pulls... All the way out to the right. Convincingly takes the RT out
of the play. He did not look criticaly slow or awkward and he braught
considerable power against the RT

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 6:04 pm
From: Michael

On Aug 21, 8:44 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 8:30 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 21, 8:19 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On the Jets first drive, Slauson looked very good in pass protection
> > > until that last third down they could not convert. The DT on that
> > > play just twisted his shoulders and got right by him and he contacted
> > > Sanchez.
>
> > On the second offensive drive after the interception, Slauson had his
> > guy locked down well on all the passing plays. He only released his
> > guy once by design just prior to the pass so he could get out front to
> > help block. Also... The protection on the left edge has looked god
> > awful bad. Even Mangold blew an assignment on a play that had him
> > designed to run out to the left. Thus far the two best looking guys on
> > the line have been Moore and Woody. No chances yet to see Slauson
> > pulling...
>
> On the first donw after the interception... Here it is.... Slauson
> pulls... All the way out to the right. Convincingly takes the RT out
> of the play. He did not look criticaly slow or awkward and he braught
> considerable power against the RT

first series with second team.... brunnell at qb and slauson still
in.
well done by slauson on pass protection on 2nd down...
on thrid down slauson quicly shed the tackle and fired out to block
for the runner, but the play did not make it throigh the defense.on
the left side of the gut. drive continues due to 12 men on the field
and slauson pass blocks very well as brunell cant connect.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 6:17 pm
From: Michael

On Aug 21, 9:04 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 8:44 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 21, 8:30 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 21, 8:19 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On the Jets first drive, Slauson looked very good in pass protection
> > > > until that last third down they could not convert. The DT on that
> > > > play just twisted his shoulders and got right by him and he contacted
> > > > Sanchez.
>
> > > On the second offensive drive after the interception, Slauson had his
> > > guy locked down well on all the passing plays. He only released his
> > > guy once by design just prior to the pass so he could get out front to
> > > help block. Also... The protection on the left edge has looked god
> > > awful bad. Even Mangold blew an assignment on a play that had him
> > > designed to run out to the left. Thus far the two best looking guys on
> > > the line have been Moore and Woody. No chances yet to see Slauson
> > > pulling...
>
> > On the first donw after the interception... Here it is.... Slauson
> > pulls... All the way out to the right. Convincingly takes the RT out
> > of the play. He did not look criticaly slow or awkward and he braught
> > considerable power against the RT
>
> first series with second team.... brunnell at qb and slauson still
> in.
> well done by slauson on pass protection on 2nd down...
> on thrid down slauson quicly shed the tackle and fired out to block
> for the runner, but the play did not make it throigh the defense.on
> the left side of the gut. drive continues due to 12 men on the field
> and slauson pass blocks very well as brunell cant connect.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Next offensove series...

Excellent pass protection by slauson. His guy cant shed him.
Especially good pass protection on the 3rd down pass to Woodhead. He
maintained containment for a good long time. Bonus observation.
Brunell not looking to swift and offensive play design and calling
still looks lame. Lets hope Shotty is just saving his best for when
it counts.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 6:22 pm
From: Michael

next offensive series...vlad and slauson both in... nothing of note
here on this short series... slauson looked to held his guy up and
vlad wound up in a pile in the gut

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 6:30 pm
From: Michael

On Aug 21, 9:22 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 9:04 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 21, 8:44 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 21, 8:30 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 21, 8:19 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On the Jets first drive, Slauson looked very good in pass protection
> > > > > until that last third down they could not convert. The DT on that
> > > > > play just twisted his shoulders and got right by him and he contacted
> > > > > Sanchez.
>
> > > > On the second offensive drive after the interception, Slauson had his
> > > > guy locked down well on all the passing plays. He only released his
> > > > guy once by design just prior to the pass so he could get out front to
> > > > help block. Also... The protection on the left edge has looked god
> > > > awful bad. Even Mangold blew an assignment on a play that had him
> > > > designed to run out to the left. Thus far the two best looking guys on
> > > > the line have been Moore and Woody. No chances yet to see Slauson
> > > > pulling...
>
> > > On the first donw after the interception... Here it is.... Slauson
> > > pulls... All the way out to the right. Convincingly takes the RT out
> > > of the play. He did not look criticaly slow or awkward and he braught
> > > considerable power against the RT
>
> > first series with second team.... brunnell at qb and slauson still
> > in.
> > well done by slauson on pass protection on 2nd down...
> > on thrid down slauson quicly shed the tackle and fired out to block
> > for the runner, but the play did not make it throigh the defense.on
> > the left side of the gut. drive continues due to 12 men on the field
> > and slauson pass blocks very well as brunell cant connect.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> next offensive series...vlad and slauson both in... nothing of note
> here on this short series... slauson looked to held his guy up and
> vlad wound up in a pile in the gut- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

next offensive series... nothing of note, but on third down the jets
ran it and slauson looked to get off a block well and down field.
again... the play did not make it out of the left side

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 6:50 pm
From: Michael

On Aug 21, 9:30 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 9:22 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 21, 9:04 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 21, 8:44 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 21, 8:30 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 21, 8:19 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On the Jets first drive, Slauson looked very good in pass protection
> > > > > > until that last third down they could not convert. The DT on that
> > > > > > play just twisted his shoulders and got right by him and he contacted
> > > > > > Sanchez.
>
> > > > > On the second offensive drive after the interception, Slauson had his
> > > > > guy locked down well on all the passing plays. He only released his
> > > > > guy once by design just prior to the pass so he could get out front to
> > > > > help block. Also... The protection on the left edge has looked god
> > > > > awful bad. Even Mangold blew an assignment on a play that had him
> > > > > designed to run out to the left. Thus far the two best looking guys on
> > > > > the line have been Moore and Woody. No chances yet to see Slauson
> > > > > pulling...
>
> > > > On the first donw after the interception... Here it is.... Slauson
> > > > pulls... All the way out to the right. Convincingly takes the RT out
> > > > of the play. He did not look criticaly slow or awkward and he braught
> > > > considerable power against the RT
>
> > > first series with second team.... brunnell at qb and slauson still
> > > in.
> > > well done by slauson on pass protection on 2nd down...
> > > on thrid down slauson quicly shed the tackle and fired out to block
> > > for the runner, but the play did not make it throigh the defense.on
> > > the left side of the gut. drive continues due to 12 men on the field
> > > and slauson pass blocks very well as brunell cant connect.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > next offensive series...vlad and slauson both in... nothing of note
> > here on this short series... slauson looked to held his guy up and
> > vlad wound up in a pile in the gut- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> next offensive series... nothing of note, but on third down the jets
> ran it and slauson looked to get off a block well and down field.
> again... the play did not make it out of the left side- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

first drive after half time.... slauson still in and looking good and
powerfull run blocking... too bad the jets turn it over

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 7:07 pm
From: Michael

On Aug 21, 9:50 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 9:30 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 21, 9:22 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 21, 9:04 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 21, 8:44 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 21, 8:30 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Aug 21, 8:19 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On the Jets first drive, Slauson looked very good in pass protection
> > > > > > > until that last third down they could not convert. The DT on that
> > > > > > > play just twisted his shoulders and got right by him and he contacted
> > > > > > > Sanchez.
>
> > > > > > On the second offensive drive after the interception, Slauson had his
> > > > > > guy locked down well on all the passing plays. He only released his
> > > > > > guy once by design just prior to the pass so he could get out front to
> > > > > > help block. Also... The protection on the left edge has looked god
> > > > > > awful bad. Even Mangold blew an assignment on a play that had him
> > > > > > designed to run out to the left. Thus far the two best looking guys on
> > > > > > the line have been Moore and Woody. No chances yet to see Slauson
> > > > > > pulling...
>
> > > > > On the first donw after the interception... Here it is.... Slauson
> > > > > pulls... All the way out to the right. Convincingly takes the RT out
> > > > > of the play. He did not look criticaly slow or awkward and he braught
> > > > > considerable power against the RT
>
> > > > first series with second team.... brunnell at qb and slauson still
> > > > in.
> > > > well done by slauson on pass protection on 2nd down...
> > > > on thrid down slauson quicly shed the tackle and fired out to block
> > > > for the runner, but the play did not make it throigh the defense.on
> > > > the left side of the gut. drive continues due to 12 men on the field
> > > > and slauson pass blocks very well as brunell cant connect.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > next offensive series...vlad and slauson both in... nothing of note
> > > here on this short series... slauson looked to held his guy up and
> > > vlad wound up in a pile in the gut- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > next offensive series... nothing of note, but on third down the jets
> > ran it and slauson looked to get off a block well and down field.
> > again... the play did not make it out of the left side- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> first drive after half time.... slauson still in and looking good and
> powerfull run blocking... too bad the jets turn it over- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

next series.... slauson still in at the rg spot... pass protecting
well for clemennns on second down as well he should against scrubs.
been watching ducasse... he keeps his guy at a distance with his
arms.. more like a tackle than a guard where as slauson uses his chest
and gets in close. on the draw play on 3rd, slauson did well pusing
his guy to the right, but the center could not get his guy to the
left. end of series

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TOPIC: Discrimination against certain creeds...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 8:13 am
From: Michael Press

In article <4C6FD238.97C7FEFA@sandiegozoo.org>,
Magilla Gorilla <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:

> Michael Press wrote:
>
> > In article <4C6E63B3.C7816769@sandiegozoo.org>,
> > Magilla Gorilla <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Michael Press wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <4C6D9695.66BB0E9E@sandiegozoo.org>,
> > > > Magilla Gorilla <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Frederick the Great wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article <4C6D005B.1F294345@sandiegozoo.org>,
> > > > > > Magilla Gorilla <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/michael-creed-why-i-never-doped-and-my-future-in-the-sport
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does Creed really think he is doing his brand any favors by this kind of
> > > > > > > conduct? This is worse than that Spanish doper Sastre coming across the
> > > > > > > line with a fucking pacifier in his mouth like some kind of 14 year old
> > > > > > > on ecstasy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone who celebrates like that just for being the first up a fucking
> > > > > > > climb, only to lose the race is a real toolkit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He was under team orders to wait.
> > > > >
> > > > > And so what does that have to do with getting off your fucking bike at the top of a climb on every
> > > > > lap and hoisting it above your head like some insane maniac, only to lose the race, thus proving
> > > > > your director sportif was right for telling you to wait.
> > > > >
> > > > > What the fuck is it with pro cyclists and celebrating things before the race is over?
> > > >
> > > > He was under team orders to wait.
> > >
> > > I know. What does that have to do with the point I was making?
> >
> > He was not celebrating a win. He knew he would not win.
> > He was acknowledging the gallery; and they were happy to be
> > acknowledged. He enhanced the value of the race. Many of
> > the people at the race do not see it the way you do.
> > I do not see it the way you do.
>
> Creed lost the race that day - there was nothing he should have been celebrating.

Who says he was celebrating?

--
Michael Press

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 8:28 am
From: Frederick the Great

In article <4C6FD10C.B68FFC29@sandiegozoo.org>,
Magilla Gorilla <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:

> Frederick the Great wrote:
>
> > In article <4C6EB574.3FBFF545@sandiegozoo.org>,
> > Magilla Gorilla <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:
> >
> > > RicodJour wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Aug 20, 7:13â• am, Magilla Gorilla <m.gori...@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:
> > >>> Jim Feeley wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> IIRC, his gap over the field had been shrunk to very little, so it was
> > >>>> pretty clear he was going to get caught. Too bad he got caught and dropped
> > >>>> during one of the short laps and was forced to retire, and thereby lose the
> > >>>> KOH competition which he was winning.
> > >>>
> > >>> Why was it "too bad" that he got jettisoned? â• I think it's a great when natural
> > >>> selection culls the infirm and unprepared in a bike race. â• And a guy who hoists his
> > >>> bike over his head like that is unprepared for the pro ranks.
> > >>
> > >> You believe mental stability is a prerequisite for being a pro
> > >> athlete?
> > >>
> > >>>> But how many people were in the race that day?
> > >>>> How many do we remember?
> > >>>
> > >>>> Ya, an oddball move, but a memorable one.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> A rider could ride naked and we would remember that too. â• But I'm not sure that's a
> > >>> good thing. â• This is how you decide if something is great or not....could ANY
> > >>> cyclist in the race have done what Creed did that day if they wanted. â• Yep. â• But
> > >>> they chose not too.
> > >>
> > >> Depends on who the naked rider is, eh?
> > >> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1032/537379758_e86eabffeb.jpg
> > >
> > > No, because I'm talking about professional cycling, not some homeless crack addict grand
> > > fondo led by that bald headed blood jacker Mini Me Levi Leapfrogger.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> So there wasn't really anything special Creed actually accomplished that day.
> > >>
> > >> Pro cycling is entertainment. Creed made a memorable moment, which is
> > >> the point of entertainment.
> > >>
> > >> R
> > >
> > > Acting is entertainment. Doesn't mean the actors get to show up to the set and do
> > > whatever the fuck they want. The circus is entertainment...doesn't mean the performers
> > > can turn the lion show into a petting zoo for children. All amusement parks are venues
> > > of entertainment...doesn't mean the 16 year old kid who works the roller coaster can
> > > by-pass the air brakes to stop the ride.
> > >
> > > You people somehow got it in your mind that entertainment means you can do whatever you
> > > want and it's not taken seriously. You are are absolutely wrong. All the concept of
> > > entertainment means is its a certain type of business. That has nothing to do with
> > > being allowed to circumvent rules and laws just because you can implicate it as
> > > "entertainment."
> > >
> > > What Creed did in San Francisco, was, well, gay. In fact, it might even be more fucked
> > > up than Sastre sucking on a pacifier. I'd have to toss a fucking coin to find out
> > > scientifically which one is a more gay act.
> >
> > So? You are an entertainment critic specializing in bicycle
> > racing. You getting paid to write your reviews? Or do you do
> > it for entertainment? I am not entertained. Your act is weak.
> >
> > <http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/8844/wookie.jpg>
>
> I must have really hurt you, bro. You're just another playa' hater.

Weak. Not even any bluster. A suspicious person, not my
happy-go-lucky self, would see projection in that reply.

--
Old Fritz

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TOPIC: Clemens - just Pettite and McNamee .... Armstrong - they will have 8-10
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 8:23 am
From: Anton Berlin

Doesn't matter what they are investigating - if they uncover evidence
that a crime was committed they either follow the trail or hand it off
to someone that can.

The might be after Ball and dope but if they find that Lance murdered
babies and ate their hearts in order to gain 2 VO2 points then there
going to have to follow that.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 8:24 am
From: Michael Press

In article <qfidne4lEf0Ak_LRnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:

> "Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:rubrum-0E1AAA.15201620082010@news.albasani.net...
> > In article
> > <042766eb-b90a-46d5-a5a9-bb4d0f4f12e9@q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> > Choppy Warburton <choppywarburton@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 7 time Cy Young winner - big time "sports hero"
> >>
> >> 7 time TdF winner - what's the TdF ????
> >>
> >> Armstrong is small fucking potatoes and will be much easier to take
> >> down.
> >
> > The war against some people continues. A politician
> > acknowledged in his report that management and players
> > share responsibility the widespread use of drugs in
> > baseball; but only the players are punished.
>
> What would you change?

Leave the athletes alone on this.
Let them retain the best medical advice,
and maintain patient-physician confidentiality.
If not that, then it is a simple sporting foul,
without interference from civil authority.

> How do you go after management in baseball?

I do not, do not want to, do not want to see
third parties go after management. The players
and management can sort it out amongst themselves.

> If
> across-the-board doping exists (or did exist) in cycling, it requires an
> extraordinarily systematic approach and a lot of coordination between
> various parties to avoid detection. Management is aware of doping in
> baseball, but do you believe they are as intimately involved as must be the
> case for cycling (assuming doping exists across-the-board in cycling)?

I do not think about it.

--
Michael Press

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 8:32 am
From: Michael Press

In article <4C6FCF70.8B2A48E1@sandiegozoo.org>,
Magilla Gorilla <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:

> Michael Press wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <042766eb-b90a-46d5-a5a9-bb4d0f4f12e9@q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> > Choppy Warburton <choppywarburton@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 7 time Cy Young winner - big time "sports hero"
> > >
> > > 7 time TdF winner - what's the TdF ????
> > >
> > > Armstrong is small fucking potatoes and will be much easier to take
> > > down.
> >
> > The war against some people continues. A politician
> > acknowledged in his report that management and players
> > share responsibility the widespread use of drugs in
> > baseball; but only the players are punished.
>
> So you are saying they should go after Bruyneel and Weisel too?

The opposite. Leave them all alone to sort out
amongst themselves.

--
Michael Press

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 8:35 am
From: Frederick the Great

In article <i4ne3s$4c6$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Kurgan Gringioni" <soulinthemachine@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
> news:uISdnZh3CunpSPPRnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> : "Choppy Warburton" <choppywarburton@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> : news:042766eb-b90a-46d5-a5a9-bb4d0f4f12e9@q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> : >7 time Cy Young winner - big time "sports hero"
> : >
> : > 7 time TdF winner - what's the TdF ????
> : >
> : > Armstrong is small fucking potatoes and will be much easier to take
> : > down.
> :
> : I'm thinking the exact opposite. Being small potatoes makes a massive
> effort
> : less worthwhile. The bigger the battle, the greater the spoils. Plus,
> Lance
> : never lied to Congress. People are nuts to think that's not relevant to
> : Clemens' case.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> The Clemens case has a problem.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/sports/baseball/21clemens.html

[...]

Clemens can still throw the high heat.

--
Old Fritz

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 11:11 am
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"Magilla Gorilla" <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote in message
news:4C6FCF34.8A5A235C@sandiegozoo.org...
: Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
:
: > "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
: > news:uISdnZh3CunpSPPRnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
: > : "Choppy Warburton" <choppywarburton@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > :
news:042766eb-b90a-46d5-a5a9-bb4d0f4f12e9@q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
: > : >7 time Cy Young winner - big time "sports hero"
: > : >
: > : > 7 time TdF winner - what's the TdF ????
: > : >
: > : > Armstrong is small fucking potatoes and will be much easier to take
: > : > down.
: > :
: > : I'm thinking the exact opposite. Being small potatoes makes a massive
: > effort
: > : less worthwhile. The bigger the battle, the greater the spoils. Plus,
: > Lance
: > : never lied to Congress. People are nuts to think that's not relevant
to
: > : Clemens' case.
: >
: > Dumbass -
: >
: > The Clemens case has a problem.
: >
: > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/sports/baseball/21clemens.html
: >
: > <snip>
: >
: > According to a high-profile lawyer in Washington, the release of the
: > Mitchell report at the behest of Commissioner Bud Selig and not Congress
: > raises questions about why the committee was investigating the matter in
the
: > first place. And that, according to the lawyer, Reginald J. Brown, a
former
: > special assistant to President George W. Bush and an associate White
House
: > general counsel from 2003 to 2005, has given Clemens's lawyers a strong
: > argument to have the government's perjury case dismissed.
: >
: > "The case against Clemens is not a slam dunk for the government," he
said
: > Friday in a telephone interview.
: >
: > "Congress didn't do this investigation to determine whether they needed
new
: > drug laws," Brown said. "They didn't do it to determine whether federal
: > agencies were exercising their proper oversight. They did this to figure
out
: > whether Clemens or his trainer were telling the truth, and that is
arguably
: > not a legislative function. It's not Congress's job to hold perjury
trials."
: >
: > <snip>
: >
: > Brown said there was historical precedence to support his argument. In
1953,
: > Aldo Lorenzo Icardi, a law clerk from Pittsburgh, testified before a
: > Congressional hearing that he had not murdered an Army major during
World
: > War II. Two years later, a grand jury in Washington indicted Icardi on
: > perjury charges. But Icardi's lawyer argued before the case was
scheduled to
: > go to trial that Congress had no authority to question the validity of
his
: > client's testimony.
: >
: > The judge presiding over the case dismissed the charges because Icardi's
: > testimony had no "valid legislative purpose."
: >
: > <snip><end>
:
: Like Sandy, this lawyer has no idea what the hell he is talking about.
Clemens
: lied UNDER OATH to Congress. Nothing this lawyer said changes that fact.

Dumbass -

You didn't read the article. Icardi lied to Congress and he got off. From
the article:

> Brown said there was historical precedence to support his argument. In
> 1953,
> Aldo Lorenzo Icardi, a law clerk from Pittsburgh, testified before a
> Congressional hearing that he had not murdered an Army major during World
> War II. Two years later, a grand jury in Washington indicted Icardi on
> perjury charges. But Icardi's lawyer argued before the case was scheduled
> to
> go to trial that Congress had no authority to question the validity of his
> client's testimony.
>
> The judge presiding over the case dismissed the charges because Icardi's
> testimony had no "valid legislative purpose."

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

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TOPIC: "I'm shocked.... shocked to find that doping is going on in here."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/93d98887593dc143?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 8:29 am
From: Anton Berlin

Just as ironic in Casablanca as it is in pro cycling.

"Your winners.... Mr Brunyeel"

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TOPIC: Hincapie Lawyers Up
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/044ab2b610043941?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 8:43 am
From: Frederick the Great

In article <4C6FC539.140212F0@sandiegozoo.org>,
Magilla Gorilla <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:

> Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>
> > On Aug 20, 2:30 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > > Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz
> > >
> > > Lots of money for an innocent guy to spend to protect his interests when
> > > he tells the truth to the grand jury.
> >
> > Dumbass,
> >
> > An innocent guy has just as much motivation to
> > have a good lawyer as a guilty guy. More maybe.
> >
> > You were a lawyer, you would know that if it wasn't
> > for your inability to analyze this case objectively.
>
> Not true. Why does Lance even need a lawyer right now if in fact he were
> innocent? What is a lawyer going to do outside of a trial? The biggest
> misconception out there is lawyers prevent people from going to jail. The
> reality is far different.
>
> In Martha Stewart's case, her lawyer let her meet with the FBI and lie to
> them. She was then convicted of what she did in the presence of her own
> attorneys.
>
> All I see Lance's team doing is trying to get this case to disappear by
> pulling political strings at the Justice Department. But I doubt it will
> work.

_Always_ retain counsel.

You going to stitch up that gash in your leg yourself?
Do I have to quote that old saw?

"A man who represents himself in court has a fool for a client."

--
Old Fritz

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 8:44 am
From: Frederick the Great

In article <4C6FC42A.C595938B@sandiegozoo.org>,
Magilla Gorilla <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:

> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> > "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:B8GdnX8BEbCnavPRnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> > : On 8/20/2010 5:33 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> > : > On Aug 20, 5:30 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > : >> Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen& Katz
> > : >>
> > : >> Lots of money for an innocent guy to spend to protect his interests
> > when
> > : >> he tells the truth to the grand jury.
> > : >
> > : > He gets $150 for a pair of jeans. Duh.
> > : >
> > : > R
> > :
> > : Actually, Wachtell Lipton is known to be very well connected politically
> > : to the Democratic Party. I expect the Postal boys to start trying to
> > : pull strings behind the scenes with Fabiani to get the FDA to drop the
> > : case. They'll be very discrete so as not to get caught doing anything
> > : illegal or unethical. Look for Fabiani to take the lead with his
> > : Washington contacts.
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > That would be a smart course of action in this instance.
> >
> > It may even work since there really isn't a victim in the alleged crime.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Every crime has a victim.

Yeah. You.

--
Old Fritz

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 9:55 am
From: RicodJour

On Aug 21, 9:38 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 8/21/2010 8:23 AM, Magilla Gorilla wrote:
>
> > All I see Lance's team doing is trying to get this case to disappear by
> > pulling political strings at the Justice Department. But I doubt it will
> > work.
>
> > Magilla
>
> BINGO! I agree. It won't work.

I'm sure in your earlier career you were fond of throwing all of your
clients' eggs in one basket. Sue just one party, offer just one
defense. ...how's the new career going?

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 11:09 am
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"Magilla Gorilla" <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote in message
news:4C6FC42A.C595938B@sandiegozoo.org...
: Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
:
: > "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message
: > news:B8GdnX8BEbCnavPRnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@giganews.com...
: > : On 8/20/2010 5:33 PM, RicodJour wrote:
: > : > On Aug 20, 5:30 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
: > : >> Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen& Katz
: > : >>
: > : >> Lots of money for an innocent guy to spend to protect his interests
: > when
: > : >> he tells the truth to the grand jury.
: > : >
: > : > He gets $150 for a pair of jeans. Duh.
: > : >
: > : > R
: > :
: > : Actually, Wachtell Lipton is known to be very well connected
politically
: > : to the Democratic Party. I expect the Postal boys to start trying to
: > : pull strings behind the scenes with Fabiani to get the FDA to drop the
: > : case. They'll be very discrete so as not to get caught doing anything
: > : illegal or unethical. Look for Fabiani to take the lead with his
: > : Washington contacts.
: >
: > Dumbass -
: >
: > That would be a smart course of action in this instance.
: >
: > It may even work since there really isn't a victim in the alleged crime.
: >
: > thanks,
: >
: > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
:
: Every crime has a victim.

Dumbass -

That's not true.

How about prostitution? Recreational drug use in private settings? etc.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 12:12 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"

On 8/21/2010 12:55 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Aug 21, 9:38 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 8/21/2010 8:23 AM, Magilla Gorilla wrote:
>>
>>> All I see Lance's team doing is trying to get this case to disappear by
>>> pulling political strings at the Justice Department. But I doubt it will
>>> work.
>>
>>> Magilla
>>
>> BINGO! I agree. It won't work.
>
> I'm sure in your earlier career you were fond of throwing all of your
> clients' eggs in one basket. Sue just one party, offer just one
> defense.

Wrong.

...how's the new career going?

Great.
>
> R

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TOPIC: Taylor Phinney
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bb5dd7dea373fe8e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 10:25 am
From: Superfly TNT

Taylor Phinney is the next Michael Creed.

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TOPIC: Lance and Contador sitting in a tree...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5adb4da9dec3e242?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 11:12 am
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"Magilla Gorilla" <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote in message
news:4C6FD0BE.9AE6DBE4@sandiegozoo.org...
: Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
:
: > "Magilla Gorilla" <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote in message
: > news:4C6D07EF.E62AAB02@sandiegozoo.org...
: > :
: >
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/07/road/neal-rogers-is-the-armstrong-contador-rivalry-cooling_127411
: > :
: > : Velonews is too stupid to realize that Lance and Contador are only
: > : making up because both know of each other's doping secrets going back
to
: > : the Discovery team.
: > :
: > : Contador knows Lance is about to go down and wants to make sure Lance
: > : takes his secrets to his grave.
: > :
: > : But I'm amazed at how stupid everyone plays it as to their motivation
as
: > : one of 'reconciliation.' Does Lance seem like the type of guy to
: > : reconcile with anyone?
: >
: > <snip>
: >
: > Dumbass -
: >
: > Not really, but there's Kevin Livingston.
: >
: > Plus, Contador made the first move (the watch gifts at the TdF).
: >
: > thanks,
: >
: > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
:
: Contador is a major blood doper as well and likely did it in front of
Lance. Contador was afraid of Lance
: getting busted and implicating him so he made this gesture of
reconciliation. And Lance accepted because
: he needed to reinforce the power of Omerta as his house of cards comes
crumbling down around him.

Dumbass -

That's all true, but you said that LANCE isn't capable of reconciliation.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

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TOPIC: nice pic
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/88221bf2eeabc263?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 11:14 am
From: ronaldo_jeremiah

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/photos/ricco-to-miss-gp-ouest-france/110991

What a putz.

-rj

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 11:21 am
From: Superfly TNT

On Aug 21, 11:14 am, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/photos/ricco-to-miss-gp-ouest-france/...
>
> What a putz.
>
> -rj

.
.
.
Elton Ricco?
.
.
.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: He's Right About ALL the Rotten Eggs
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/261a3a5ddb1c73d5?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 12:21 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"

On 8/21/2010 7:56 AM, Magilla Gorilla wrote:
>
>
> "B. Lafferty" wrote:
>
>> On 8/20/2010 4:39 PM, DA74 wrote:
>>> On Aug 20, 12:15 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"<Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> "Magilla Gorilla"<m.gori...@sandiegozoo.org> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:4C6EC264.1DA95518@sandiegozoo.org...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --D-y wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 20, 11:12 am, Magilla Gorilla<m.gori...@sandiegozoo.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Lance hired a professional liar because he sees the writing on the
>>>>>>> wall. He
>>>>>>> sees Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens being indicted. Lance saw Tammy
>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>> indicted and convicted. And Lance is the next liar in line. Lance's
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> hope is to beat the wrap because he's too caught up in his lies to
>>>>>>> backpedal. If he admits he doped to win 7 Tours then his charity, his
>>>>>>> reputation, his endorsement value, his political future - all will be
>>>>>>> flushed
>>>>>>> down the toilet. Permanently.
>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW, I usta think that, too. At this point, that's wishful thinking
>>>>>> on your part. Sure, they nailed Madoff to the barn door, but how many
>>>>>> places besides the bonus trial has LA purportedly-- possibly-- lied
>>>>>> under oath or in any sort of "official" situation? Clemens might be a
>>>>>> lot bigger but they also have a lot more leverage on him, his having
>>>>>> Lied To Congress and all.
>>>>
>>>>> No, Lance just lied to the public, his sponsors, all cancer patients,
>>>>> every
>>>>> reporter he ever spoke to, the UCI, his children, his relatives, his
>>>>> mother, and
>>>>> everyone else in the world (except for about 47 people he either doped in
>>>>> front of
>>>>> or told he doped).
>>>>
>>>>> Magilla
>>>>
>>>> But in the end, he did take a page from your book and use a pseudonym to
>>>> deflect personal accountability (the "28" campaign).
>>>>
>>>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>>>> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
>>>> Redwood City& Los Altos, CA USA- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> And I'll bet you've got those posters slapped all over your little
>>> shop. The blood money might slow after the indictment so maybe you
>>> should diversify the product line.
>>>
>>> You're Welcome,
>>> DA74
>>
>> Including the rotten one from Austin via Plano. When this is the best
>> the PR guy can do--plus get an AP wire story out about where Armstrong
>> is speaking at graduation 2011--you know they are sinking fast.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> He then repeated a claim already made by Lance Armstrong, calling into
>> question if it is right to spend taxpayers' money on the investigation:
>> "With salmonella causing the recall of 380 million eggs, I'm probably
>> not the only one wondering right now why the FDA is spending its
>> resources looking into international bicycle races that occurred years
>> ago," Fabiani said in an e-mail to Bloomberg.
>
> The eggs are already recalled - there's not a lot else left to do for the FDA.
> It's not like the FDA goes out there and has their people physically removing
> fucking egg cartons from the refrigerated sections of grocery stores around the
> country.
>
> Magilla
>
> Magilla
>
There also haven't been any leaks for almost two weeks. It's hard to
complain about leaks when there are no leaks.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 3:53 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"

"Magilla Gorilla" <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote in message
news:4C6FBFDE.BAED334A@sandiegozoo.org...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
>> "Mr. Slate" <LikeFlint@NoSpammers.com> wrote in message
>> news:bbWdnU5KpuAY6fLRnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@sti.net...
>> > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> >> There's a lot more to cycling than just Lance, and for
>> >> those who got into it for Lance and no other reason... well, I
>> >> wouldn't really consider them cyclists in the first place.
>> >
>> >>Mike Jacoubowsky
>> >
>> > That was below the belt, but does it hurt less with one nut?
>>
>> You'd have to ask all the people my son and I saw leaving after Lance
>> passed through during the TdF final TT. Pretty unbelievable that people
>> would travel that far to see Lance, and after he passed through, head
>> off. Keep in mind that Lance was well down on the GC at that point, so
>> nearly all of the big names were still to come.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> Anybody who travels to France just to see Lance - or any of these idiots -
> race is an idiot.
>
> Magilla

I assume that's your attitude about traveling to see a sporting event in
general? Super Bowl, Wimbledon, World Cup, Grand Masters, whatever?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 4:43 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"

"Magilla Gorilla" <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote in message
news:4C6FBF89.1C0282DB@sandiegozoo.org...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
>> > But in the end, he did take a page from your book and use a pseudonym
>> > to
>> > deflect personal accountability (the "28" campaign).
>> >
>> > --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> > Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
>> > Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA- Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > - Show quoted text -
>> ======
>> And I'll bet you've got those posters slapped all over your little
>> shop. The blood money might slow after the indictment so maybe you
>> should diversify the product line.
>>
>> You're Welcome,
>> DA74
>> ======
>>
>> You're welcome to come in and take a look. We haven't seen much movement
>> in
>> "Lance" merchandise for a number of years, and I don't think that has
>> anything to do with doping accusations. As I've said before, I think
>> Lance
>> ceased to be a big factor for Trek in particular some years ago, but has
>> remained a force that has increased awareness of cyling, both competitive
>> and recreational, in the years since. In a worst-case scenario, I don't
>> think Lance could somehow ruin cycling or even cause a significant dent
>> in
>> its popularity. There's a lot more to cycling than just Lance, and for
>> those
>> who got into it for Lance and no other reason... well, I wouldn't really
>> consider them cyclists in the first place.
>>
>> You didn't ask, in fact nobody's asked, or looked into, Trek's marketing
>> of
>> Lance. This is curious. Ask questions, I'll answer. Always have. But in
>> the
>> meantime, check Trek's website www.trekbikes.com and let me know what you
>> think.
>>
>> As I've said, my emotions regarding Lance are curiously detached. I watch
>> how this all plays out from an academic standpoint, especially the
>> marketing
>> aspects.
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
> I'm sure Trek just loved it when Lance came out with a book entitled,
> "It's
> Not About the Bike."
>
> Magilla

Trek had no public or private comment on that, other than to say "It's just
a book title." Me? Different story. Let's see, you've got a good-sized
company in Wisconsin that's willing to put just about everything else on
hold in order to design and build bikes just for you, a company that was one
of the initial sponsors of the team long before there was evidence you'd be
making an historic comeback from cancer and win the TdF... and you write a
book whose title is "It's Not About the Bike"???

I have no idea whether it was a strategic move on Lance's part, essentially
a powerful bluff saying look, I can do anything I want, you've got to show
me a whole lot more $$$ if you think you can get me to shill for the
company... or if it really was nothing more than a title, something that
meant that cycling was metaphorical and not specific.

The relationship between Trek and Lance seemed to become much more formal
after that book came out.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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TOPIC: Just a data point, nothing more
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3e96d2a806da0a16?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 1:31 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"

Just had a family from Toulouse (France) come in to look at bikes before
heading home. They started talking about Lance; their son (looked about 20)
is a big fan and the dad knows everything about him backward & forward. We
spoke briefly of the substantial disconnect between the French press and the
public, but also acknowledged that the best thing Lance ever, in terms of
assuring a (relatively) positive legacy in France, was his "heroic" loss in
2009.

A world that thinks differently than rbr believes they should think. Or says
they think. Who knew.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 2:41 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah

Just remember, this is a nation that holds Richard Virenque in esteem.

-rj

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 3:50 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"

"ronaldo_jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:725dd854-381e-4196-8ea0-2e3939a09167@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
> Just remember, this is a nation that holds Richard Virenque in esteem.
>
> -rj

Believe it or not, I understand that. Virenque is their "everyman" who has
failed in a big way, and brought himself back up. They worship that sort of
thing. The press is all about individual epic battles, against the elements,
against another individual, against ones own personal demons.

I've written previously of how I stumbled across the hotel complex where the
teams were staying in Bourg en Bresse some years ago. A pretty big crowd was
gathering outside, waiting for riders to come out and sign autographs. Few
did. But the crowd waited. For whom, I had no idea. And then Virenque
emerges. You have no idea how he can work an audience. He kisses the women,
he poses with their babies for photos, he engages in friendly conversation,
he smiles. In short, he is charismatic beyond belief in such situations.

I cannot think of an American parallel.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 4:29 pm
From: ronaldo_jeremiah

On Aug 21, 5:50 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:

>You have no idea how he can work an audience. He kisses the women,
> he poses with their babies for photos, he engages in friendly conversation,
> he smiles. In short, he is charismatic beyond belief in such situations.
>
> I cannot think of an American parallel.

Dumbass -

Bill Clinton.

-rj

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 4:47 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"

"ronaldo_jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:940e5429-3027-4d74-a450-629c84204212@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 21, 5:50 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:

>You have no idea how he can work an audience. He kisses the women,
> he poses with their babies for photos, he engages in friendly
> conversation,
> he smiles. In short, he is charismatic beyond belief in such situations.
>
> I cannot think of an American parallel.

=====
Dumbass -

Bill Clinton.

-rj
=====

Seriously? I'm not so sure. I don't think Clinton hit the bottom quite so
hard. Even at its worst, he still seemed to be made of teflon. He can only
wish that she had been (since teflon doesn't hold stains).

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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