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* General Patton, General Ryan - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4418511dd1795b7f?hl=en
* sanchez - 7 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/913227436968bda5?hl=en
* Roster - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Funny article about the Jets... - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6ca8bf99dc32d4dd?hl=en
* My man Marcus - 2 messages, 1 author
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* pet Jets twitter: Coles, Allison, Marcus henry, Wright cut - 1 messages, 1
author
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* IF I only - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Stolen from ESPN (adam shefter blog) - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/08199f59ed2f8566?hl=en
* Pace out for six weeks - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Will Revis Ever Line Up for the Jets Again? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/37d6f52574390f7e?hl=en
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TOPIC: General Patton, General Ryan
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4418511dd1795b7f?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 12:01 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:i5cv3k$trb$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "euphy" <eüphemism@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:419hut.jc4.17.1@news.alt.net...
>> On 8/28/2010 6:51 PM, JKConey wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The shit you come across in a football NG! You must be as old as I am.
>> Lee Remick... what a hotty - 48 years ago. I got a laugh out of your
>> comment because Remick is the first actress I can remember having a crush
>> on after seeing Experiment in Terror. Man she looked good in a sweater.
>>
>> Ü
>
>
> A good looking is always a good looking woman. Kim Novak, Tuesday
> Weld, Sophia Loren, Anita Ekberg, Ann Margaret... I can go on and on.
Of course, Marilyn Monroe, Natalie Wood, Birgitte Bardot, .....us old dudes
knew some nice round and soft hot babes :-)
>
>
> --
> JK Sinrod
> www.myconeyislandmemories.com
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:38 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"
"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:i58t3q$kva$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>
>>
>> he was an actor. he acted, his concern was getting paid. he didn't care
>> if the screen writer sucked and the director an idiot as long as the
>> check cleared..
>> but when he did get in a great film he was well up to it
>> Patton, Dr Strangelove to name just a couple.
>>
>
> You speak like you knew him and his motivations. Are all actors that
> shallow? Great actors rarely do bad films, and almost never give a bad
> performance, even if the film sucks. (Nicholson, Tracy, Hepburn, Olivier,
> Streep, Bogey, Cagney, Deniro caliber people). Of course they all make a
> stinker now and then, but I'm thinking Scott could have picked alot better
> is all I'm saying. JMHO
>
> --
> JK Sinrod
> www.myconeyislandmemories.com
actors act. it's their job.
Michael Caine is another,
he's won Oscars and he's done serious dreck.
it all pays. you hang around waiting for the great roles and you'll starve.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:40 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"
"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "JetsLife" <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:b7f71c34-c625-4604-a1e8-eaa7063e605f@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 27, 1:01 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> "JetsLife" <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:f83a8253-97a0-4909-bbf6-5a150f2e3dc1@x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> > Good god is "Patton" one of the best films of all time. Watching it
>>> > for the 6 millionth time right now. Watching it reminded me of our
>>> > very own general.
>>>
>>> > That's what I like about Rex: there is no bullshit. Like he said
>>> > during one practice on Hard Knocks: "God I love football." Not unlike
>>> > when George C. Scott - one of the most brilliant actors of all time
>>> > btw - delivers that famous line surveying the destruction of a
>>> > battlefield after talking to the soldier: "I love it. God help me, I
>>> > do love it so. I love it more than my life."
>>>
>>> > Lead us to victory, Gen. Ryan. We've been yearning for decades. We
>>> > will follow you to the very end.
>>>
>>> I love that film as well. Scotts finest moment but..... he turned
>>> out to
>>> be such a disappointment as an actor. He made a series of really bad
>>> films
>>> before he died. Always made me wonder how good he really was?
>>>
>>> --
>>> JK Sinrodwww.myconeyislandmemories.com
>>
>> Couldn't disagree more. He was always always excellent.
>>
>> Perhaps his best turn, a brilliant job done, was Dr. Strangelove.
>
>
>
> Peter Sellers was the king of that film, (3 roles and if not for a
> broken leg, he would have played 5 roles I read), so Scott's job in that
> one was more a cameo. How about Scott in The Hustler? Played a terrific
> low life slime. And I liked him as the con man in Flim Flam man.
>
Scott was more than a cameo in Strangelove.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:40 pm
From: JetsLife
On Aug 29, 9:40 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:i5c7u3$cds$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "JetsLife" <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:b7f71c34-c625-4604-a1e8-eaa7063e605f@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Aug 27, 1:01 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>> "JetsLife" <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>news:f83a8253-97a0-4909-bbf6-5a150f2e3dc1@x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> > Good god is "Patton" one of the best films of all time. Watching it
> >>> > for the 6 millionth time right now. Watching it reminded me of our
> >>> > very own general.
>
> >>> > That's what I like about Rex: there is no bullshit. Like he said
> >>> > during one practice on Hard Knocks: "God I love football." Not unlike
> >>> > when George C. Scott - one of the most brilliant actors of all time
> >>> > btw - delivers that famous line surveying the destruction of a
> >>> > battlefield after talking to the soldier: "I love it. God help me, I
> >>> > do love it so. I love it more than my life."
>
> >>> > Lead us to victory, Gen. Ryan. We've been yearning for decades. We
> >>> > will follow you to the very end.
>
> >>> I love that film as well. Scotts finest moment but..... he turned
> >>> out to
> >>> be such a disappointment as an actor. He made a series of really bad
> >>> films
> >>> before he died. Always made me wonder how good he really was?
>
> >>> --
> >>> JK Sinrodwww.myconeyislandmemories.com
>
> >> Couldn't disagree more. He was always always excellent.
>
> >> Perhaps his best turn, a brilliant job done, was Dr. Strangelove.
>
> > Peter Sellers was the king of that film, (3 roles and if not for a
> > broken leg, he would have played 5 roles I read), so Scott's job in that
> > one was more a cameo. How about Scott in The Hustler? Played a terrific
> > low life slime. And I liked him as the con man in Flim Flam man.
>
> Scott was more than a cameo in Strangelove.
Exactly Ray. Scott's character was a prime mover.
C'mon JK, get your facts straight re Strangelove.
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TOPIC: sanchez
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/913227436968bda5?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 12:43 pm
From: Johnny Morongo
On Aug 28, 12:30 pm, JetsFan34 <noem...@noemail.com> wrote:
> Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:7faa004d-ae93-4d47-8c6d-
> 8dde91b14...@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Funny, this troll gives us an opportunity to discuss how Sanchez looks
> > so far. And in my view, it looks like he has not made as much
> > progress as hoped. Talk about Revis as much as you want, but the
> > defense will be effective with or without him. But if Sanchez plays
> > like he has the last 2 games, then this team will not be in the
> > playoffs. Right now he is the weak link in the chain. Also, the OL
> > doesn't have its sh*t together yet. Both Brick and Woody let pass
> > rushers get by which seemed totally regressed from their outstanding
> > pass blocking last season.
>
> > The only bright spot has been Ladainian Tomlinson, who has looked
> > really good so far. Shonn Greene also looks great. He is one tough
> > mofo to tackle. And McKinght... ugh. Can we have Leon back instead?
>
> http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/28/will-sanchez-be-ready-for-
> the-ravens/?ref=football
>
> This NY Times article correctly points to Shottenheimer & Sanchez as a
> COMBO that needs to get its act together and fast.
Great get, Fan. And exactly in tune with my tune this weekend.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 12:57 pm
From: Harlan Lachman
In article <VP-dnbD8KvVeOufRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> news:harlan-8C9060.10100029082010@news60.forteinc.com...
> > In article <FqKdnSyhyf13PeTRnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> >> news:harlan-98EA11.14254028082010@news60.forteinc.com...
> >> > In article
> >> > <7faa004d-ae93-4d47-8c6d-8dde91b1444f@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Funny, this troll gives us an opportunity to discuss how Sanchez looks
> >> >> so far. And in my view, it looks like he has not made as much
> >> >> progress as hoped. Talk about Revis as much as you want, but the
> >> >> defense will be effective with or without him. But if Sanchez plays
> >> >> like he has the last 2 games, then this team will not be in the
> >> >> playoffs. Right now he is the weak link in the chain. Also, the OL
> >> >> doesn't have its sh*t together yet. Both Brick and Woody let pass
> >> >> rushers get by which seemed totally regressed from their outstanding
> >> >> pass blocking last season.
> >> >>
> >> >> The only bright spot has been Ladainian Tomlinson, who has looked
> >> >> really good so far. Shonn Greene also looks great. He is one tough
> >> >> mofo to tackle. And McKinght... ugh. Can we have Leon back instead?
> >> >
> >> > Yup except for the Leon mistake. Having Leon, his agent, and his wife
> >> > back without a big contract would have been continued distraction for
> >> > little value. While he looked good for a brief time last game, when we
> >> > traded him, there was no assurance he would come back as good as he was
> >> > nor is there still.
> >> >
> >> > McKnight never made it in college -- he needs a shrink to get his head
> >> > in line with his talent. NFL teams don't go that route so I suspect he
> >> > will be gone in a year or two when he continues to screw up.
> >> >
> >> > h
> >>
> >> Leon was flat out good. It was never his fault that the OC never figured
> >> out how to use the talent he had available....that was always a horror
> >> show
> >> as far as I'm concerned. McNight? He needs to go somehwere and grow
> >> up....I'd bet the house he does something really stupid both on and off
> >> the
> >> field.
> >
> > No intelligent takers for that bet. I really do feel he is one of those
> > players for whom a team should insist on a behavioral psychologist. The
> > talent is there. The head is not. I like the concept of being f--ed up
> > rather than not grown up. I know lots of non-f--ed up younger peopole
> > who are not grown up.
> >
> > BTW, the "good" comment I made about Leon had nothing to do with whether
> > Leon played flat out good for us. I was referring to his first Seattle
> > comeback preseason action. Based on that, it looks like Leon may
> > actually make it all the way back. Who knew?
> >
> > I still believe that given his demands, his agent, and he and his wife's
> > whining, Leon was not the place to put our bucks. I like the extensions
> > to Brick and Mangold. I really hope we keep Harris (and understand how
> > the CBA prevents the right deal for him). I figure Revis is retired
> > because once he loses a year's salary, has huge fines, figures out he
> > and his agents lost the guaranteed option on the Jets option years, and
> > even maybe sits out the lockout, his only hope is if all contracts are
> > nullified. I don't think that happens and I don't see how Revis saves
> > face.
> >
> > h
>
> OK...I can understand that...but if you are getting rid of Leon and
> TJ...you've gotta come up with something more solid than McNight. I'm
> pleasantly surprised at how LT looks and hope he can keep it up.
Papa, so do the Jets.
The one good thing is that we can draft another RB next year and there
are always one or two year players like LT, Westbrook, LJ and others on
the market.
h
h
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 1:18 pm
From: MZ
Harlan Lachman wrote:
> In article <VP-dnbD8KvVeOufRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>> news:harlan-8C9060.10100029082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>> In article <FqKdnSyhyf13PeTRnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:harlan-98EA11.14254028082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <7faa004d-ae93-4d47-8c6d-8dde91b1444f@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny, this troll gives us an opportunity to discuss how Sanchez looks
>>>>>> so far. And in my view, it looks like he has not made as much
>>>>>> progress as hoped. Talk about Revis as much as you want, but the
>>>>>> defense will be effective with or without him. But if Sanchez plays
>>>>>> like he has the last 2 games, then this team will not be in the
>>>>>> playoffs. Right now he is the weak link in the chain. Also, the OL
>>>>>> doesn't have its sh*t together yet. Both Brick and Woody let pass
>>>>>> rushers get by which seemed totally regressed from their outstanding
>>>>>> pass blocking last season.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only bright spot has been Ladainian Tomlinson, who has looked
>>>>>> really good so far. Shonn Greene also looks great. He is one tough
>>>>>> mofo to tackle. And McKinght... ugh. Can we have Leon back instead?
>>>>> Yup except for the Leon mistake. Having Leon, his agent, and his wife
>>>>> back without a big contract would have been continued distraction for
>>>>> little value. While he looked good for a brief time last game, when we
>>>>> traded him, there was no assurance he would come back as good as he was
>>>>> nor is there still.
>>>>>
>>>>> McKnight never made it in college -- he needs a shrink to get his head
>>>>> in line with his talent. NFL teams don't go that route so I suspect he
>>>>> will be gone in a year or two when he continues to screw up.
>>>>>
>>>>> h
>>>> Leon was flat out good. It was never his fault that the OC never figured
>>>> out how to use the talent he had available....that was always a horror
>>>> show
>>>> as far as I'm concerned. McNight? He needs to go somehwere and grow
>>>> up....I'd bet the house he does something really stupid both on and off
>>>> the
>>>> field.
>>> No intelligent takers for that bet. I really do feel he is one of those
>>> players for whom a team should insist on a behavioral psychologist. The
>>> talent is there. The head is not. I like the concept of being f--ed up
>>> rather than not grown up. I know lots of non-f--ed up younger peopole
>>> who are not grown up.
>>>
>>> BTW, the "good" comment I made about Leon had nothing to do with whether
>>> Leon played flat out good for us. I was referring to his first Seattle
>>> comeback preseason action. Based on that, it looks like Leon may
>>> actually make it all the way back. Who knew?
>>>
>>> I still believe that given his demands, his agent, and he and his wife's
>>> whining, Leon was not the place to put our bucks. I like the extensions
>>> to Brick and Mangold. I really hope we keep Harris (and understand how
>>> the CBA prevents the right deal for him). I figure Revis is retired
>>> because once he loses a year's salary, has huge fines, figures out he
>>> and his agents lost the guaranteed option on the Jets option years, and
>>> even maybe sits out the lockout, his only hope is if all contracts are
>>> nullified. I don't think that happens and I don't see how Revis saves
>>> face.
>>>
>>> h
>> OK...I can understand that...but if you are getting rid of Leon and
>> TJ...you've gotta come up with something more solid than McNight. I'm
>> pleasantly surprised at how LT looks and hope he can keep it up.
>
> Papa, so do the Jets.
>
> The one good thing is that we can draft another RB next year and there
> are always one or two year players like LT, Westbrook, LJ and others on
> the market.
Yeah, it's so weird how undervalued RBs are now, too. Probably the
cheapest position to fill on the roster, next to kickers, punters, and
snappers.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 1:49 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:GsCdnbieNtQLXefRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>> In article <VP-dnbD8KvVeOufRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>> news:harlan-8C9060.10100029082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>> In article <FqKdnSyhyf13PeTRnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:harlan-98EA11.14254028082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <7faa004d-ae93-4d47-8c6d-8dde91b1444f@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny, this troll gives us an opportunity to discuss how Sanchez
>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>> so far. And in my view, it looks like he has not made as much
>>>>>>> progress as hoped. Talk about Revis as much as you want, but the
>>>>>>> defense will be effective with or without him. But if Sanchez plays
>>>>>>> like he has the last 2 games, then this team will not be in the
>>>>>>> playoffs. Right now he is the weak link in the chain. Also, the OL
>>>>>>> doesn't have its sh*t together yet. Both Brick and Woody let pass
>>>>>>> rushers get by which seemed totally regressed from their outstanding
>>>>>>> pass blocking last season.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only bright spot has been Ladainian Tomlinson, who has looked
>>>>>>> really good so far. Shonn Greene also looks great. He is one tough
>>>>>>> mofo to tackle. And McKinght... ugh. Can we have Leon back
>>>>>>> instead?
>>>>>> Yup except for the Leon mistake. Having Leon, his agent, and his wife
>>>>>> back without a big contract would have been continued distraction for
>>>>>> little value. While he looked good for a brief time last game, when
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> traded him, there was no assurance he would come back as good as he
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> nor is there still.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> McKnight never made it in college -- he needs a shrink to get his
>>>>>> head
>>>>>> in line with his talent. NFL teams don't go that route so I suspect
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> will be gone in a year or two when he continues to screw up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> h
>>>>> Leon was flat out good. It was never his fault that the OC never
>>>>> figured
>>>>> out how to use the talent he had available....that was always a horror
>>>>> show
>>>>> as far as I'm concerned. McNight? He needs to go somehwere and grow
>>>>> up....I'd bet the house he does something really stupid both on and
>>>>> off the
>>>>> field.
>>>> No intelligent takers for that bet. I really do feel he is one of those
>>>> players for whom a team should insist on a behavioral psychologist. The
>>>> talent is there. The head is not. I like the concept of being f--ed up
>>>> rather than not grown up. I know lots of non-f--ed up younger peopole
>>>> who are not grown up.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, the "good" comment I made about Leon had nothing to do with
>>>> whether
>>>> Leon played flat out good for us. I was referring to his first Seattle
>>>> comeback preseason action. Based on that, it looks like Leon may
>>>> actually make it all the way back. Who knew?
>>>>
>>>> I still believe that given his demands, his agent, and he and his
>>>> wife's
>>>> whining, Leon was not the place to put our bucks. I like the extensions
>>>> to Brick and Mangold. I really hope we keep Harris (and understand how
>>>> the CBA prevents the right deal for him). I figure Revis is retired
>>>> because once he loses a year's salary, has huge fines, figures out he
>>>> and his agents lost the guaranteed option on the Jets option years, and
>>>> even maybe sits out the lockout, his only hope is if all contracts are
>>>> nullified. I don't think that happens and I don't see how Revis saves
>>>> face.
>>>>
>>>> h
>>> OK...I can understand that...but if you are getting rid of Leon and
>>> TJ...you've gotta come up with something more solid than McNight. I'm
>>> pleasantly surprised at how LT looks and hope he can keep it up.
>>
>> Papa, so do the Jets. The one good thing is that we can draft another RB
>> next year and there are always one or two year players like LT,
>> Westbrook, LJ and others on the market.
>
> Yeah, it's so weird how undervalued RBs are now, too. Probably the
> cheapest position to fill on the roster, next to kickers, punters, and
> snappers.
LOL...yup...it ain't football anymore...they really should find another name
for what they play.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 2:30 pm
From: MZ
papa.carl44 wrote:
> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
> news:GsCdnbieNtQLXefRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>> In article <VP-dnbD8KvVeOufRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:harlan-8C9060.10100029082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>>> In article <FqKdnSyhyf13PeTRnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:harlan-98EA11.14254028082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> <7faa004d-ae93-4d47-8c6d-8dde91b1444f@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>> Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Funny, this troll gives us an opportunity to discuss how Sanchez
>>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>> so far. And in my view, it looks like he has not made as much
>>>>>>>> progress as hoped. Talk about Revis as much as you want, but the
>>>>>>>> defense will be effective with or without him. But if Sanchez plays
>>>>>>>> like he has the last 2 games, then this team will not be in the
>>>>>>>> playoffs. Right now he is the weak link in the chain. Also, the OL
>>>>>>>> doesn't have its sh*t together yet. Both Brick and Woody let pass
>>>>>>>> rushers get by which seemed totally regressed from their outstanding
>>>>>>>> pass blocking last season.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only bright spot has been Ladainian Tomlinson, who has looked
>>>>>>>> really good so far. Shonn Greene also looks great. He is one tough
>>>>>>>> mofo to tackle. And McKinght... ugh. Can we have Leon back
>>>>>>>> instead?
>>>>>>> Yup except for the Leon mistake. Having Leon, his agent, and his wife
>>>>>>> back without a big contract would have been continued distraction for
>>>>>>> little value. While he looked good for a brief time last game, when
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> traded him, there was no assurance he would come back as good as he
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> nor is there still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> McKnight never made it in college -- he needs a shrink to get his
>>>>>>> head
>>>>>>> in line with his talent. NFL teams don't go that route so I suspect
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>> will be gone in a year or two when he continues to screw up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> h
>>>>>> Leon was flat out good. It was never his fault that the OC never
>>>>>> figured
>>>>>> out how to use the talent he had available....that was always a horror
>>>>>> show
>>>>>> as far as I'm concerned. McNight? He needs to go somehwere and grow
>>>>>> up....I'd bet the house he does something really stupid both on and
>>>>>> off the
>>>>>> field.
>>>>> No intelligent takers for that bet. I really do feel he is one of those
>>>>> players for whom a team should insist on a behavioral psychologist. The
>>>>> talent is there. The head is not. I like the concept of being f--ed up
>>>>> rather than not grown up. I know lots of non-f--ed up younger peopole
>>>>> who are not grown up.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, the "good" comment I made about Leon had nothing to do with
>>>>> whether
>>>>> Leon played flat out good for us. I was referring to his first Seattle
>>>>> comeback preseason action. Based on that, it looks like Leon may
>>>>> actually make it all the way back. Who knew?
>>>>>
>>>>> I still believe that given his demands, his agent, and he and his
>>>>> wife's
>>>>> whining, Leon was not the place to put our bucks. I like the extensions
>>>>> to Brick and Mangold. I really hope we keep Harris (and understand how
>>>>> the CBA prevents the right deal for him). I figure Revis is retired
>>>>> because once he loses a year's salary, has huge fines, figures out he
>>>>> and his agents lost the guaranteed option on the Jets option years, and
>>>>> even maybe sits out the lockout, his only hope is if all contracts are
>>>>> nullified. I don't think that happens and I don't see how Revis saves
>>>>> face.
>>>>>
>>>>> h
>>>> OK...I can understand that...but if you are getting rid of Leon and
>>>> TJ...you've gotta come up with something more solid than McNight. I'm
>>>> pleasantly surprised at how LT looks and hope he can keep it up.
>>> Papa, so do the Jets. The one good thing is that we can draft another RB
>>> next year and there are always one or two year players like LT,
>>> Westbrook, LJ and others on the market.
>> Yeah, it's so weird how undervalued RBs are now, too. Probably the
>> cheapest position to fill on the roster, next to kickers, punters, and
>> snappers.
>
> LOL...yup...it ain't football anymore...they really should find another name
> for what they play.
It's funny, this year Kevin Faulk was a free agent and the Pats offered
him a deal and he said he wanted to wait to see what other running backs
got. Turns out, after a few signed new deals (including Thomas Jones
and Ladanian Tomlinson), Faulk turned right around and accepted New
England's original offer. He couldn't believe how little those guys
were getting paid compared to similar players at other positions.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:32 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:GsCdnbueNtT0TOfRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> papa.carl44 wrote:
>> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
>> news:GsCdnbieNtQLXefRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>> In article <VP-dnbD8KvVeOufRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:harlan-8C9060.10100029082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>>>> In article <FqKdnSyhyf13PeTRnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:harlan-98EA11.14254028082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>> <7faa004d-ae93-4d47-8c6d-8dde91b1444f@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>> Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Funny, this troll gives us an opportunity to discuss how Sanchez
>>>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>>> so far. And in my view, it looks like he has not made as much
>>>>>>>>> progress as hoped. Talk about Revis as much as you want, but the
>>>>>>>>> defense will be effective with or without him. But if Sanchez
>>>>>>>>> plays
>>>>>>>>> like he has the last 2 games, then this team will not be in the
>>>>>>>>> playoffs. Right now he is the weak link in the chain. Also, the
>>>>>>>>> OL
>>>>>>>>> doesn't have its sh*t together yet. Both Brick and Woody let pass
>>>>>>>>> rushers get by which seemed totally regressed from their
>>>>>>>>> outstanding
>>>>>>>>> pass blocking last season.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only bright spot has been Ladainian Tomlinson, who has looked
>>>>>>>>> really good so far. Shonn Greene also looks great. He is one
>>>>>>>>> tough
>>>>>>>>> mofo to tackle. And McKinght... ugh. Can we have Leon back
>>>>>>>>> instead?
>>>>>>>> Yup except for the Leon mistake. Having Leon, his agent, and his
>>>>>>>> wife
>>>>>>>> back without a big contract would have been continued distraction
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> little value. While he looked good for a brief time last game, when
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> traded him, there was no assurance he would come back as good as he
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> nor is there still.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> McKnight never made it in college -- he needs a shrink to get his
>>>>>>>> head
>>>>>>>> in line with his talent. NFL teams don't go that route so I suspect
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> will be gone in a year or two when he continues to screw up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> h
>>>>>>> Leon was flat out good. It was never his fault that the OC never
>>>>>>> figured
>>>>>>> out how to use the talent he had available....that was always a
>>>>>>> horror show
>>>>>>> as far as I'm concerned. McNight? He needs to go somehwere and
>>>>>>> grow
>>>>>>> up....I'd bet the house he does something really stupid both on and
>>>>>>> off the
>>>>>>> field.
>>>>>> No intelligent takers for that bet. I really do feel he is one of
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> players for whom a team should insist on a behavioral psychologist.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> talent is there. The head is not. I like the concept of being f--ed
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> rather than not grown up. I know lots of non-f--ed up younger peopole
>>>>>> who are not grown up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, the "good" comment I made about Leon had nothing to do with
>>>>>> whether
>>>>>> Leon played flat out good for us. I was referring to his first
>>>>>> Seattle
>>>>>> comeback preseason action. Based on that, it looks like Leon may
>>>>>> actually make it all the way back. Who knew?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still believe that given his demands, his agent, and he and his
>>>>>> wife's
>>>>>> whining, Leon was not the place to put our bucks. I like the
>>>>>> extensions
>>>>>> to Brick and Mangold. I really hope we keep Harris (and understand
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> the CBA prevents the right deal for him). I figure Revis is retired
>>>>>> because once he loses a year's salary, has huge fines, figures out he
>>>>>> and his agents lost the guaranteed option on the Jets option years,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> even maybe sits out the lockout, his only hope is if all contracts
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> nullified. I don't think that happens and I don't see how Revis saves
>>>>>> face.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> h
>>>>> OK...I can understand that...but if you are getting rid of Leon and
>>>>> TJ...you've gotta come up with something more solid than McNight. I'm
>>>>> pleasantly surprised at how LT looks and hope he can keep it up.
>>>> Papa, so do the Jets. The one good thing is that we can draft another
>>>> RB next year and there are always one or two year players like LT,
>>>> Westbrook, LJ and others on the market.
>>> Yeah, it's so weird how undervalued RBs are now, too. Probably the
>>> cheapest position to fill on the roster, next to kickers, punters, and
>>> snappers.
>>
>> LOL...yup...it ain't football anymore...they really should find another
>> name for what they play.
>
> It's funny, this year Kevin Faulk was a free agent and the Pats offered
> him a deal and he said he wanted to wait to see what other running backs
> got. Turns out, after a few signed new deals (including Thomas Jones and
> Ladanian Tomlinson), Faulk turned right around and accepted New England's
> original offer. He couldn't believe how little those guys were getting
> paid compared to similar players at other positions.
And what about the beating they take? I'm just way too old to appreciate
today's game...I liked a good running game.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:46 pm
From: JetsLife
On Aug 28, 9:59 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Funny, this troll gives us an opportunity to discuss how Sanchez looks
> so far. And in my view, it looks like he has not made as much
> progress as hoped. Talk about Revis as much as you want, but the
> defense will be effective with or without him. But if Sanchez plays
> like he has the last 2 games, then this team will not be in the
> playoffs. Right now he is the weak link in the chain. Also, the OL
> doesn't have its sh*t together yet. Both Brick and Woody let pass
> rushers get by which seemed totally regressed from their outstanding
> pass blocking last season.
>
> The only bright spot has been Ladainian Tomlinson, who has looked
> really good so far. Shonn Greene also looks great. He is one tough
> mofo to tackle. And McKinght... ugh. Can we have Leon back instead?
Leon is a luxury item who could only take away from the great Brad
Smith. Leon is out. I'd rather have Brad Smith & McKnight. Haven't you
seen McKnight's dynamism returning punts?
In RexBaum We Trust.
In the meantime, be very very careful about reading into preseason.
Only a fool would show his real cards before he has to.
I imagine we're a run-first offense just as we were last year. Relax
and get geared up for 9/13. Then we'll see.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 12:35 pm
From: MZ
papa.carl44 wrote:
> "buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
> news:vhpk76l196isv81f3j8mkfalafc0hc06k1@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:05:54 -0400, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <p1ug76tasm3b9r2qiea0aeic4q585ckuhh@4ax.com>,
>>> buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:30:31 -0700 (PDT), John C TX
>>>> <johnctxjets@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been scratching my head-- shut up Johnny-- and wonder how this
>>>>> roster shakes out.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3 QB's
>>>>> 3 TB's -- if they risk leaving Woddhead out there to bring him back to
>>>>> the practice squad
>>>>> ? FB -- We can't afford the luxury of two so is Richardson is done?
>>>>> ?TE -- We should have never released Joel Dreesen. A long snapper who
>>>>> can actually play TE. Keller & ???
>>>>> ? OL -- this will have to be 8
>>>>> 6 WR -- Holmes, Cotchery, Edwards, Smith, Clowney, Henry -- Coles gets
>>>>> cut?
>>>> Clowney gets cut.
>> >From your fingers to Rex and Tanny's red pen. I would just love Drew
>>> Coleman to get his walking papers too. But not Clemens.
>>>
>>> H
>> Yup, but Coleman has those pics of Woody & the aardvark.
>>
>> Funny, I've never been as down on Clemens as most others.
>> I think he's a lot tougher than Sanchez.
>> He started out ok, then got beaten to smithereens the Kendall year.
>> And since, has kinda gotten beaten down by management.
>> Not to mention the Favre misadventure, and drafting Sanchez.
>
> I have really felt that in general you can take a really good player, and he
> can get caught in certain situations that destroy him. Clemens could be one
> of those...he never got a chance. The times he got to play were always
> "desperation" times....the Favre deal was flat out beyond stupid. Who knows
> what Kellen could be if he was ever really "groomed"....I really believe
> that all a player needs some times is to have a few bad things happen, and
> some coach or press to start ripping him and it takes off....the player
> knows what is going on, and feels the pressure from within and from the
> staff that matters to him. From that moment it is never a supportive
> development role...and that is what "coaching" is supposed to mean. The
> buffoons who think they know the game and think it's wise to go out and kick
> some ass and force a guy to be good just don't get results. Yeah, be tough,
> be honest...but feakin coach! I'll bet Clemens never got into a situation
> where he ever felt comfortable. Maybe now, even he can see that Sanchez is
> not what they thought he was and he sees little of the old "desperation"
> pressure on him...so he is playing much better. OMHO...Papa Carl
>
>
I agree with the concept, but I find it VERY telling how reluctant they
always were in putting him in the game. He sat on the bench a while.
Then, when Pennington was struggling in his last year in NY, they waited
forever until finally giving Clemens a shot. Then the next year rather
than go with Clemens they brought in Favre. Then the year after that,
rather than go with Clemens they drafted Sanchez.
It seems like they've felt all along that Clemens wasn't the guy. I
assume they see something from him in practice or in the classroom over
these years that haven't given the TWO coaching staffs that have coached
him much confidence.
In short, my suspicion is that he just sucks.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 1:48 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:GsCdnbmeNtQNK-fRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> papa.carl44 wrote:
>> "buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>> news:vhpk76l196isv81f3j8mkfalafc0hc06k1@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:05:54 -0400, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <p1ug76tasm3b9r2qiea0aeic4q585ckuhh@4ax.com>,
>>>> buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:30:31 -0700 (PDT), John C TX
>>>>> <johnctxjets@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been scratching my head-- shut up Johnny-- and wonder how this
>>>>>> roster shakes out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3 QB's
>>>>>> 3 TB's -- if they risk leaving Woddhead out there to bring him back
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the practice squad
>>>>>> ? FB -- We can't afford the luxury of two so is Richardson is done?
>>>>>> ?TE -- We should have never released Joel Dreesen. A long snapper
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> can actually play TE. Keller & ???
>>>>>> ? OL -- this will have to be 8
>>>>>> 6 WR -- Holmes, Cotchery, Edwards, Smith, Clowney, Henry -- Coles
>>>>>> gets
>>>>>> cut?
>>>>> Clowney gets cut.
>>> >From your fingers to Rex and Tanny's red pen. I would just love Drew
>>>> Coleman to get his walking papers too. But not Clemens.
>>>>
>>>> H
>>> Yup, but Coleman has those pics of Woody & the aardvark.
>>>
>>> Funny, I've never been as down on Clemens as most others.
>>> I think he's a lot tougher than Sanchez.
>>> He started out ok, then got beaten to smithereens the Kendall year.
>>> And since, has kinda gotten beaten down by management.
>>> Not to mention the Favre misadventure, and drafting Sanchez.
>>
>> I have really felt that in general you can take a really good player, and
>> he can get caught in certain situations that destroy him. Clemens could
>> be one of those...he never got a chance. The times he got to play were
>> always "desperation" times....the Favre deal was flat out beyond stupid.
>> Who knows what Kellen could be if he was ever really "groomed"....I
>> really believe that all a player needs some times is to have a few bad
>> things happen, and some coach or press to start ripping him and it takes
>> off....the player knows what is going on, and feels the pressure from
>> within and from the staff that matters to him. From that moment it is
>> never a supportive development role...and that is what "coaching" is
>> supposed to mean. The buffoons who think they know the game and think
>> it's wise to go out and kick some ass and force a guy to be good just
>> don't get results. Yeah, be tough, be honest...but feakin coach! I'll
>> bet Clemens never got into a situation where he ever felt comfortable.
>> Maybe now, even he can see that Sanchez is not what they thought he was
>> and he sees little of the old "desperation" pressure on him...so he is
>> playing much better. OMHO...Papa Carl
>
> I agree with the concept, but I find it VERY telling how reluctant they
> always were in putting him in the game. He sat on the bench a while.
> Then, when Pennington was struggling in his last year in NY, they waited
> forever until finally giving Clemens a shot. Then the next year rather
> than go with Clemens they brought in Favre. Then the year after that,
> rather than go with Clemens they drafted Sanchez.
>
> It seems like they've felt all along that Clemens wasn't the guy. I
> assume they see something from him in practice or in the classroom over
> these years that haven't given the TWO coaching staffs that have coached
> him much confidence.
>
> In short, my suspicion is that he just sucks.
Could be...but then why did they keep him? I think it is more of a
situation I've seen first hand way too many times, these guys are extremely
worried about how the are perceived a lot of times...I suspect that when
they drafted Clemens they got a lot of criticism because it was just cool to
do...look at some of the talking heads they let report on this stuff, it's a
joke. Bernie Kornheiser knows anything about football????? It happens
with picks other than the obvious and the totally obscure...somebody knows a
little about the guy, and it can go all the way back to high school...this
is not a long body of work that is being examined. So, somebody gets
cautious only to preserve what might be said about them and a player gets
screwed. How they are dealt with is critical to how they perform. That
just is...and I don't want to hear somebody say "they are pros...yada yada
yada" Those saying that did not come out of college and hit the bricks at
full speed in their professions...they developed into it and usually with a
lot of guidance...and COACHING. So..you may be totally right...but I have
to wonder why they just didn't get rid of him then?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 12:51 pm
From: Harlan Lachman
In article <GsCdnb6eNtQvBOfRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
> Dude, don't worry about preseason so much.
Mark, you ruined my Iverson paraphrase comment. Man, you're talkin about
preseason. Preseason.
h
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 12:51 pm
From: Harlan Lachman
In article <GsCdnb-eNtRaBefRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
> Copp wrote:
> > In article <BsKdnYt7XNXqjeTRnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@giganews.com>
> > MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
> >>> The Jets, in a preseason game against the Giants, gave up 362
> >>> yds to them. The Patriots, in a preseason game against the RAMS
> >>> and a ROOKIE qb, gave up 462 yds to them.
> >> I'm trying like hell to draw a meaningful conclusion from this, but I
> >> just can't. So the Jets '10 defense is the Pats '09 defense, is that
> >> what you're saying?
> >
> > Ok, I'll spell it out for you: The Jets, in their FIRST preseason
> > game (the one where you have the least practice playing) held
> > the Giants, a much better team with experienced quarterbacks,
> > to fewer yards than the Patriots did to a team that was 1-15
> > the year previous, and they could stop neither the rookie qb
> > or the second stringer on that team. What it means is: the Pats
> > defense isn't very good. It will be adequate against a lot
> > of teams in the league, but they won't be going to the SB. Okay?
> > The Jets aren't going anywhere either because of their lack
> > of skill on the offensive side of the ball, but that's another
> > thread.
> >
>
> So, let me get this straight. You compare the Pats defense to the best
> defense in all of football, and you conclude that the Pats D "isn't very
> good." Then you compare the Jets offense to one of the best offenses in
> all of football, and you conclude that the Jets O isn't very good?
>
> That means, according to your logic, 31 teams in the league have
> offenses that aren't very good, and 31 teams in the league have defenses
> that aren't very good.
>
> So I guess no one will be going to the super bowl.
LMAO
h
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:42 pm
From: Copp
In article <GsCdnb-eNtRaBefRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com>
MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
> So, let me get this straight. You compare the Pats defense to the best
> defense in all of football, and you conclude that the Pats D "isn't very
> good." Then you compare the Jets offense to one of the best offenses in
> all of football, and you conclude that the Jets O isn't very good?
The Jets are in the discussion because this is the Jets newsgroup.
I wasn't comparing strictly Jets to Pats or Pats to Jets. The Jets
offense sucks by any measure.
> That means, according to your logic, 31 teams in the league have
> offenses that aren't very good, and 31 teams in the league have defenses
> that aren't very good.
>
> So I guess no one will be going to the super bowl.
I'll try one more time. Here are the yards given up by teams in
the preseason:
SD gave up 552 yds to NO
Jac gave up 496 to Philly
NE gave up 462 to St. Louis<-----****
Indy gave up 430 to GB
Sea gave up 421 to GB
Rams gave up 414 to Minn
Det gave up 414 to Cle
Den gave up 409 to Cinc
Hou gave up 409 to NO
Do you see how those numbers make sense, except for one? NO is
on the list twice, GB twice, Philly, Minn? What doesn't fit is
NE giving up 462 to the ST LOUIS RAMS!!!
The Pats are also continuing another bad trend from last year, where
they play great at home and mediocre on the road.
The NE defense hasn't gotten better. It could quite possibly be
worse than last year.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 7:57 pm
From: MZ
Copp wrote:
> Do you see how those numbers make sense, except for one? NO is
> on the list twice, GB twice, Philly, Minn? What doesn't fit is
> NE giving up 462 to the ST LOUIS RAMS!!!
How many yards did they give up to New Orleans? To you, it's ok when
San Diego gives up 552 yards to New Orleans, but when New England shuts
them down it doesn't count. Have you heard the phrase "cherry picking"?
Anyway, it's only preseason.
> The Pats are also continuing another bad trend from last year, where
> they play great at home and mediocre on the road.
Research research research. They played St. Louis in Foxboro.
It was a preseason game.
> The NE defense hasn't gotten better. It could quite possibly be
> worse than last year.
It could be. But probably not. They appear to have upgraded some key
spots. Just about every journalist who covers them agrees.
It's preseason, junior.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 2:46 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:30:28 -0400, "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>"Johnny Morongo" <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote in message
>news:fc0b7d2f-a25c-485c-a405-f5d34bb81df1@g6g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> Seems that along with the news about Pace, the Jets also announced the
>> release of Audrae Allison, and I guy that I have liked, albeit from
>> afar, Marcus Henry. Although not the fastest, he is tall, has long
>> arms and every time I've heard or read anything about him it was to
>> say that he had made a catch. Basically, the same is true of
>> Allison. And I think they are both out of PS options (as is Woodhead,
>> also an "I think"). Now, I'm not Ryan, Ellard or Shcott (and they know
>> their players far better than I), but those attributes suggest that he
>> might at least be considered for a look-see by many other teams,
>> familiar or not. Wanna bet that at least one of the three doesn't
>> wind up elsewhere? Say with the Bills, Fins, Pats, Ravens, or even
>> Browns?
>>
>> I don't like this.
>
>
>Neither do I...and I think in the latest episode of Hard Knocks Rex gave it
>away...."We don't have enough good football players."
>
But Drew Coleman's still here... and with the release of these guys, looks like Clowney
may be staying.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 2:47 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:12:39 -0700 (PDT), Johnny Morongo
<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
>Seems that along with the news about Pace, the Jets also announced the
>release of Audrae Allison, and I guy that I have liked, albeit from
>afar, Marcus Henry. Although not the fastest, he is tall, has long
>arms and every time I've heard or read anything about him it was to
>say that he had made a catch. Basically, the same is true of
>Allison. And I think they are both out of PS options (as is Woodhead,
>also an "I think"). Now, I'm not Ryan, Ellard or Shcott (and they know
>their players far better than I), but those attributes suggest that he
>might at least be considered for a look-see by many other teams,
>familiar or not. Wanna bet that at least one of the three doesn't
>wind up elsewhere? Say with the Bills, Fins, Pats, Ravens, or even
>Browns?
>
>I don't like this.
Yeah, I kinda liked Henry, too. And with how few players we've been drafting, I'm always
partial to them ;)
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TOPIC: pet Jets twitter: Coles, Allison, Marcus henry, Wright cut
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2e95dda27b9c1496?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 2:50 pm
From: buRford
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:09:32 -0700 (PDT), Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Coles must be done physically. Too bad. Hope the prganization can
>keep him in some coaching capacity one day. Looks like the Clown man
>will make the team. meh.
I think Coles was more a money thing, so his salary wasn't guaranteed (something like if a
players is on the opening day roster, his salary is guaranteed).
He's looked fine to me, in his limited action... he also said recently, he's been happy
that he still has something left.
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TOPIC: IF I only
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1391013583f0f8b1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 3:54 pm
From: "\(¯`·.¸®avNsfan®¸.·´¯\)"
"Ernie" <Ernietoo@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:i5ecf5$o2p$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> If I could only express to others how to remove my anal and pubic hair
> then I may be believed.* Ernie
>
> *without using the "buddy system."
>
I shaved my taint with a soda can pop top in San Fran at the festival. Udder
balm helped cure the rash.
the real Drew ~
RävNsfän ® (not the trashy fake)
"...I'm sending him to the kill file,
I suggest the rest of you do the same".
alt.sports.football.pro.pitt-steelers
*Strickland* - April 15, 2009
"...I guess I'll go back to my previous habit
of just ignoring your posts..."
alt.sports.football.pro.pitt-steelers
*Rocky*(the nutless squirrel) - Feb 23, 2010
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TOPIC: Stolen from ESPN (adam shefter blog)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/08199f59ed2f8566?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 4:03 pm
From: Johnny Morongo
On Aug 28, 12:43 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo" <j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5f354fee-98ca-4a34-824b-b9f980a19f44@x20g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 28, 10:03 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Coach Lon" <coach...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:3372918d-d776-41d4-a4ea-a6859673ada6@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 27, 7:45 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote in message
>
> > >news:XO-dnWOVlPIqi-XRnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > > > Harlan Lachman wrote:
> > > >> In article <XO-dnWGVlPIMmOXRnZ2dnUVZ_hqdn...@giganews.com>,
> > > >> MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
> > > >>> Coach Lon wrote:
> > > >>>> On Aug 27, 1:16 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>> Q: What are the contractual consequences if Darrelle Revis holds
> > > >>>>> out
> > > >>>>> an
> > > >>>>> entire season? Does he ever stop accumulating fines? I read that
> > > >>>>> he
> > > >>>>> has
> > > >>>>> already lost a year of service and changed his guaranteed money to
> > > >>>>> non-guaranteed. What other consequences would he face over the
> > > >>>>> course
> > > >>>>> of
> > > >>>>> the season? Entering a year with no CBA?
> > > >>>>> -- Jon (Boston)
>
> > > >>>>> A: Jon, we can discuss all the penalties and fines we want. But
> > > >>>>> Revis
> > > >>>>> believes that the New York Jets, or somebody else, are going to
> > > >>>>> give
> > > >>>>> him
> > > >>>>> such a monstrous deal that it is going to completely nullify all
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>> fines and penalties he is now racking up by sitting out. Think
> > > >>>>> about
> > > >>>>> it:
> > > >>>>> If he had $2 million worth of fines from not playing this
> > > >>>>> season --
> > > >>>>> or
> > > >>>>> whatever number you want -- and he signed a $120 million contract
> > > >>>>> at
> > > >>>>> some point in the future, would those fines matter much? Not
> > > >>>>> really.
> > > >>>>> That's what Revis is now banking on -- that his deal will be so
> > > >>>>> large
> > > >>>>> that it gives him the time and leverage he needs right now.
>
> > > >>>>> ------
> > > >>>>> Clearly Adam S is correct in assessing the reasons for Revis'
> > > >>>>> behavior.
>
> > > >>>>> The only way to avoid other players using this approach is to not
> > > >>>>> reward
> > > >>>>> him for his selfish, trying to hold the team hostage behavior.
>
> > > >>>>> If one thinks about it, with three years left on his contract at a
> > > >>>>> very
> > > >>>>> affordable $21 million dollars, Revis has no leverage unless the
> > > >>>>> Jets
> > > >>>>> give it to him.
>
> > > >>>>> Some teams trade such players (although I don't remember a player
> > > >>>>> of
> > > >>>>> Revis' caliber getting traded with three years left on his
> > > >>>>> contract).
> > > >>>>> But, it is unlikely that any team will pay Revis Qb money and give
> > > >>>>> us
> > > >>>>> two number ones.
>
> > > >>>>> Why would anyone trade him for less?
>
> > > >>>>> Once again, I hope Revis retires as a Jet. Either after his
> > > >>>>> previous
> > > >>>>> three seasons or after a reasonable contract that does not hurt
> > > >>>>> our
> > > >>>>> team
> > > >>>>> from a salary cap perspective or precedent setting perspective
> > > >>>>> (i.e.,
> > > >>>>> rewarding his ignoring his obligation to his team and teammates).
>
> > > >>>>> But I don't want him getting anything what he wants.
> > > >>>> I agree 100%. Revis should have accepted the deal as presented a
> > > >>>> couple of weeks ago, making him a Jet for life. I still feel he
> > > >>>> will
> > > >>>> come along and agree to the deal as presented, and join the team
> > > >>>> before the end of the pre-season. However, he will never recoup the
> > > >>>> money lost during this holdout, if it lasts a year or more. Even if
> > > >>>> he gets the mega deal he thinks he's entitled to (which he won't),
> > > >>>> that money will be lost and gone forever. Based on how most all
> > > >>>> professional athletes handle their finances (8 in 10 go bankrupt),
> > > >>>> I
> > > >>>> don't think Revis should sneeze at losing $2M. He really might need
> > > >>>> it. I don't buy into this Revis had leverage argument either.
> > > >>>> Simply, the Jets (or any other team) will not pay the ransom he is
> > > >>>> demanding. Make the deal Darrelle, and stop fooling yourself-you're
> > > >>>> not getting QB money.
>
> > > >>> If I was Revis, I'd be negotiating right now to lop off year 6. The
> > > >>> Jets might go for that, then he only has to wait 2 years for free
> > > >>> agency.
>
> > > >>> Anyway, I'd bet any amount of money that the primary motivator for
> > > >>> these
> > > >>> guys who hold out comes from tampering. There's no doubt in my mind
> > > >>> that teams tamper (some have been caught). He's probably looking at
> > > >>> a
> > > >>> big payday promised to him by some unnamed team. This may be his
> > > >>> reference point.
>
> > > >> Mark, if he opted to pay his fines and play for the $1 mil next year
> > > >> something like $5 mil next year he is signed for, then I would add a
> > > >> performance end to the third year, contingent on showing up at
> > > >> voluntary
> > > >> and mandatory OTAs, no behavior problems on or off the field (as
> > > >> determined by an arbiter).
>
> > > >> But, this pig wants $16 mil per now. He denies he is bound by the
> > > >> contract he and his agent negotiated.
>
> > > >> No way he trades good behavior for a year off his deal - especially
> > > >> when
> > > >> the year that comes off can be a $15 million per payday.
>
> > > >> IOW, never happen.
>
> > > >> It would be nuts to both pay him big bucks and shave a year off. The
> > > >> guy
> > > >> is under contract. harlan
>
> > > > Yup. Seems like he's really taking the hard line here. If he's
> > > > unwilling
> > > > to meet in the middle and get something -- ANYTHING -- out of it, then
> > > > he
> > > > must be somewhat confident that the Jets will buckle. We'll soon find
> > > > out
> > > > if his prediction is correct.
>
> > > > Maybe I'm giving him too much credit though. Maybe he's not thinking
> > > > things through. I still don't understand why he already showed up to
> > > > minicamp or whatever and then decided halfway through he didn't want
> > > > to
> > > > be
> > > > there. Doesn't seem like he has his act together. Look at someone like
> > > > Vincent Jackson or Logan Mankins, and those guys had a plan early on
> > > > and
> > > > they've stuck to it. Revis has turned things into a media sideshow in
> > > > comparison.
>
> > > First...I completely agree that the Jets should hold him to his
> > > contract...only give him what they already offered. He is a selfish,
> > > greedy
> > > pig...I don't care how freakin good he is...he will forever be a cancer
> > > to
> > > any team process at some point, even when he looks like he is "back in
> > > the
> > > fold"...guys who think like this can come around when they want
> > > something...but they can never be trusted.
>
> > > Second...I think Mark makes a good point...to me anyway, his behavior
> > > and
> > > motivation seems to have been fuled by some incentives beyond his poor
> > > business acumen...somebody is telling him they will give him what he
> > > wants
> > > and all he has to do is get traded or get out of his deal with the
> > > Jets....he probably thought he'd somehow use that bs as a tool to hold
> > > the
> > > Jets hostage, and may now be realizing he can't use the "secret"
> > > "tampering"
> > > promises.
>
> > > These guys, along with the luxury box mentality have killed what was
> > > once
> > > a
> > > good game. If you want a good read check out "Football In America" by
> > > Sal
> > > Palantonio
>
> > I'll check that out Papa...thanks.
>
> > Hey, I just looked at the corner of my desk and realized I screwed the
> > title
> > up...it's "How Football Explains America"....
> > here's a clip about ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F0W15oqQ_A
>
> Thanks for the link Carl. Time well spent.
>
> You are quite welcome. Several years ago I became very interested in this
> topic. You can look at the growth of football and it mirrors the course of
> social change in the country. The history if fascinating too. How many
> folks do you think know why it's called a grid iron?
Not me! Do tell?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:30 pm
From: "papa.carl44"
"Johnny Morongo" <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote in message
news:3e6f9df4-92b5-40c0-bd0a-23128907d965@u31g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 28, 12:43 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo" <j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5f354fee-98ca-4a34-824b-b9f980a19f44@x20g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 28, 10:03 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Coach Lon" <coach...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:3372918d-d776-41d4-a4ea-a6859673ada6@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 27, 7:45 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote in message
>
> > >news:XO-dnWOVlPIqi-XRnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > > > Harlan Lachman wrote:
> > > >> In article <XO-dnWGVlPIMmOXRnZ2dnUVZ_hqdn...@giganews.com>,
> > > >> MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
> > > >>> Coach Lon wrote:
> > > >>>> On Aug 27, 1:16 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>> Q: What are the contractual consequences if Darrelle Revis holds
> > > >>>>> out
> > > >>>>> an
> > > >>>>> entire season? Does he ever stop accumulating fines? I read that
> > > >>>>> he
> > > >>>>> has
> > > >>>>> already lost a year of service and changed his guaranteed money
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>>> non-guaranteed. What other consequences would he face over the
> > > >>>>> course
> > > >>>>> of
> > > >>>>> the season? Entering a year with no CBA?
> > > >>>>> -- Jon (Boston)
>
> > > >>>>> A: Jon, we can discuss all the penalties and fines we want. But
> > > >>>>> Revis
> > > >>>>> believes that the New York Jets, or somebody else, are going to
> > > >>>>> give
> > > >>>>> him
> > > >>>>> such a monstrous deal that it is going to completely nullify all
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>> fines and penalties he is now racking up by sitting out. Think
> > > >>>>> about
> > > >>>>> it:
> > > >>>>> If he had $2 million worth of fines from not playing this
> > > >>>>> season --
> > > >>>>> or
> > > >>>>> whatever number you want -- and he signed a $120 million
> > > >>>>> contract
> > > >>>>> at
> > > >>>>> some point in the future, would those fines matter much? Not
> > > >>>>> really.
> > > >>>>> That's what Revis is now banking on -- that his deal will be so
> > > >>>>> large
> > > >>>>> that it gives him the time and leverage he needs right now.
>
> > > >>>>> ------
> > > >>>>> Clearly Adam S is correct in assessing the reasons for Revis'
> > > >>>>> behavior.
>
> > > >>>>> The only way to avoid other players using this approach is to
> > > >>>>> not
> > > >>>>> reward
> > > >>>>> him for his selfish, trying to hold the team hostage behavior.
>
> > > >>>>> If one thinks about it, with three years left on his contract at
> > > >>>>> a
> > > >>>>> very
> > > >>>>> affordable $21 million dollars, Revis has no leverage unless the
> > > >>>>> Jets
> > > >>>>> give it to him.
>
> > > >>>>> Some teams trade such players (although I don't remember a
> > > >>>>> player
> > > >>>>> of
> > > >>>>> Revis' caliber getting traded with three years left on his
> > > >>>>> contract).
> > > >>>>> But, it is unlikely that any team will pay Revis Qb money and
> > > >>>>> give
> > > >>>>> us
> > > >>>>> two number ones.
>
> > > >>>>> Why would anyone trade him for less?
>
> > > >>>>> Once again, I hope Revis retires as a Jet. Either after his
> > > >>>>> previous
> > > >>>>> three seasons or after a reasonable contract that does not hurt
> > > >>>>> our
> > > >>>>> team
> > > >>>>> from a salary cap perspective or precedent setting perspective
> > > >>>>> (i.e.,
> > > >>>>> rewarding his ignoring his obligation to his team and
> > > >>>>> teammates).
>
> > > >>>>> But I don't want him getting anything what he wants.
> > > >>>> I agree 100%. Revis should have accepted the deal as presented a
> > > >>>> couple of weeks ago, making him a Jet for life. I still feel he
> > > >>>> will
> > > >>>> come along and agree to the deal as presented, and join the team
> > > >>>> before the end of the pre-season. However, he will never recoup
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>> money lost during this holdout, if it lasts a year or more. Even
> > > >>>> if
> > > >>>> he gets the mega deal he thinks he's entitled to (which he
> > > >>>> won't),
> > > >>>> that money will be lost and gone forever. Based on how most all
> > > >>>> professional athletes handle their finances (8 in 10 go
> > > >>>> bankrupt),
> > > >>>> I
> > > >>>> don't think Revis should sneeze at losing $2M. He really might
> > > >>>> need
> > > >>>> it. I don't buy into this Revis had leverage argument either.
> > > >>>> Simply, the Jets (or any other team) will not pay the ransom he
> > > >>>> is
> > > >>>> demanding. Make the deal Darrelle, and stop fooling
> > > >>>> yourself-you're
> > > >>>> not getting QB money.
>
> > > >>> If I was Revis, I'd be negotiating right now to lop off year 6.
> > > >>> The
> > > >>> Jets might go for that, then he only has to wait 2 years for free
> > > >>> agency.
>
> > > >>> Anyway, I'd bet any amount of money that the primary motivator for
> > > >>> these
> > > >>> guys who hold out comes from tampering. There's no doubt in my
> > > >>> mind
> > > >>> that teams tamper (some have been caught). He's probably looking
> > > >>> at
> > > >>> a
> > > >>> big payday promised to him by some unnamed team. This may be his
> > > >>> reference point.
>
> > > >> Mark, if he opted to pay his fines and play for the $1 mil next
> > > >> year
> > > >> something like $5 mil next year he is signed for, then I would add
> > > >> a
> > > >> performance end to the third year, contingent on showing up at
> > > >> voluntary
> > > >> and mandatory OTAs, no behavior problems on or off the field (as
> > > >> determined by an arbiter).
>
> > > >> But, this pig wants $16 mil per now. He denies he is bound by the
> > > >> contract he and his agent negotiated.
>
> > > >> No way he trades good behavior for a year off his deal - especially
> > > >> when
> > > >> the year that comes off can be a $15 million per payday.
>
> > > >> IOW, never happen.
>
> > > >> It would be nuts to both pay him big bucks and shave a year off.
> > > >> The
> > > >> guy
> > > >> is under contract. harlan
>
> > > > Yup. Seems like he's really taking the hard line here. If he's
> > > > unwilling
> > > > to meet in the middle and get something -- ANYTHING -- out of it,
> > > > then
> > > > he
> > > > must be somewhat confident that the Jets will buckle. We'll soon
> > > > find
> > > > out
> > > > if his prediction is correct.
>
> > > > Maybe I'm giving him too much credit though. Maybe he's not thinking
> > > > things through. I still don't understand why he already showed up to
> > > > minicamp or whatever and then decided halfway through he didn't want
> > > > to
> > > > be
> > > > there. Doesn't seem like he has his act together. Look at someone
> > > > like
> > > > Vincent Jackson or Logan Mankins, and those guys had a plan early on
> > > > and
> > > > they've stuck to it. Revis has turned things into a media sideshow
> > > > in
> > > > comparison.
>
> > > First...I completely agree that the Jets should hold him to his
> > > contract...only give him what they already offered. He is a selfish,
> > > greedy
> > > pig...I don't care how freakin good he is...he will forever be a
> > > cancer
> > > to
> > > any team process at some point, even when he looks like he is "back in
> > > the
> > > fold"...guys who think like this can come around when they want
> > > something...but they can never be trusted.
>
> > > Second...I think Mark makes a good point...to me anyway, his behavior
> > > and
> > > motivation seems to have been fuled by some incentives beyond his poor
> > > business acumen...somebody is telling him they will give him what he
> > > wants
> > > and all he has to do is get traded or get out of his deal with the
> > > Jets....he probably thought he'd somehow use that bs as a tool to hold
> > > the
> > > Jets hostage, and may now be realizing he can't use the "secret"
> > > "tampering"
> > > promises.
>
> > > These guys, along with the luxury box mentality have killed what was
> > > once
> > > a
> > > good game. If you want a good read check out "Football In America" by
> > > Sal
> > > Palantonio
>
> > I'll check that out Papa...thanks.
>
> > Hey, I just looked at the corner of my desk and realized I screwed the
> > title
> > up...it's "How Football Explains America"....
> > here's a clip about ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F0W15oqQ_A
>
> Thanks for the link Carl. Time well spent.
>
> You are quite welcome. Several years ago I became very interested in this
> topic. You can look at the growth of football and it mirrors the course of
> social change in the country. The history if fascinating too. How many
> folks do you think know why it's called a grid iron?
Not me! Do tell?
Iron workers and steel workers would play the game...they were building
stuff that and the field looked the same way, a grid. After they allowed
the forward pass some thought it was too easy a way to advance the ball, so
they added vertical lines along with the 5 yard horizontal ones...that made
it a real grid.....you could only pass the ball to an adjacent box on the
grid. I read this stuff quite a few years ago when I got to use the library
at Princeton U. That was not why I was there, but it did fill some
interesting time.
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TOPIC: Pace out for six weeks
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/947ce3492470bbf3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:47 pm
From: JetsLife
On Aug 29, 11:13 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2010-08-29/jets-calvin-pace-rep...
>
> does that mean gholston goes back to olb ??? or may be the grab ad ???
Regardless it's a tremendous loss. He's our best pass rusher.
Hopefully it's a blessing in disguise and JT can make some noise.
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TOPIC: Will Revis Ever Line Up for the Jets Again?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/37d6f52574390f7e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 9:34 pm
From: JetsLife
I don't think so.
It appears Jets management and his side are done with each other.
All Revis cares about is $. That's his siren call. I don't blame him.
$ is often than sex.
The Jets cannot, nor ever will, cave to any one player.
Oh well. At least we have Wilson. Cromartie has been just okay.
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