Sunday, August 29, 2010

Medarticles I need a paper (modified PASI...)

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Dear friends,
Does anyone have acces toThe Journal of Rheumatology? I need the
following article,

Title: The modified Nail Psoriasis Severity Index: validation of an
instrument to assess psoriatic nail involvement in patients with
psoriatic arthritis.

Author(s): Cassell SE, Bieber JD, Rich P, Tutuncu ZN, Lee SJ, Kalunian
KC, Wu CW, Kavanaugh A.
Name of journal: The Journal of Rheumatology
Year, Volume, Issue, Page: 2007, 34(1):123-129
PMID: 17216680.
Full text link: http://www.jrheum.org/content/34/1/123.full.pdf

Thanks in advance

Dr. Mustafa

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Medarticles PDR for Herbal Medicines: 2ND Edition by Medical Economics

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Dear Friends

I require the following EBOOK.

PDR for Herbal Medicines: 2ND Edition by Medical Economics (edt) (If
possible all editions)

PDR for Herbal Medicines: 2ND Edition Cover

ISBN13: 9781563633614
ISBN10: 1563633612

http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781563633614-5

Regards,

Sudheer J.

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Re: Medarticles pls help me with this article its URGENT

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Online from 2000 onwars only. 

anand
http://www.indiasarkarinaukri.com/

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:53 AM, soma sundaram <pharmasoma@gmail.com> wrote:
hi frnds
 
pls help me with the follwing articles
 
 
 
 
 

J AOAC Int. 1995 May-Jun;78(3):719-23.

Liquid chromatographic determination of vitamin K1 in infant formulas and milk.

Indyk HE, Littlejohn VC, Lawrence RJ, Woollard DC.

Anchor Products, Waitoa, New Zealand.

Abstract

Vitamin K1 in infant formulas and milk products is determined by reversed-phase liquid chromatography (LC) with UV detection. The sample is hydrolyzed enzymatically, and the vitamin is extracted with hexane. Fractionation by normal-phase semi-preparative LC is followed by analytical LC, with quantitation by the internal standard technique. Recovery of the analyte was 97.4 +/- 2.8%. Linearity was established between 0.05 and 4.0 micrograms/mL. The limit of quantitation is 0.5 microgram/100 g for milk powder, which allows the method to quantitate endogenous levels of vitamin K1.

 

 

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Somasundaram

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rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 11 topics - digest

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rec.bicycles.racing@googlegroups.com

Today's topics:

* For the Record, the Final Report: THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW (
IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA) by Andre Jute - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/62c4922c67936326?hl=en
* Fatboy - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/98b9d239986536a5?hl=en
* Vuelta a Espana , stage 2 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e7a40a0dc6ce877d?hl=en
* Back to racing? - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/fa5146e23a0999b8?hl=en
* Lance Armstrong finally confesses - Dallas News Conference - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bff1ab97bf8892b1?hl=en
* Are you fucking kidding me? 13 retirements in the Vulva already? - 5
messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5bea6d5ddb8d5dad?hl=en
* Campy Chorus 11-Frt. Der. Adjustment Issue - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5cce4a7651677d24?hl=en
* Who wants the fascist Krygowski to speak for cyclists? - 4 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a746b5e89789c921?hl=en
* The Time Wasting of Jute - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/429ffb24ca0c4a7e?hl=en
* Lance details drug use - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a099f2e2bca511bf?hl=en
* OT: Cats - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8c0f169ccadabfe4?hl=en

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TOPIC: For the Record, the Final Report: THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET
LAW (IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA) by Andre Jute
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/62c4922c67936326?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 4:33 pm
From: Anton Berlin


If you are a real person you are among the most annoying cunts on the
planet. Would you please fuck off and mind your own god damn life.

You're worse than a christian and that means a lot coming from me
because I normally reserve all my contempt for people that pray and
believe in higher powered beings while they continually fuck this
planet into the toilet with their 18 kids and counting families.

Now fuck off before I put some effort into finding out exactly who the
fuck you are.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 5:26 pm
From: Jeff Liebermann


On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:20:18 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In the representative year of 2008, the last for which comprehesive
>data is available, 716 cyclists died on US roads, and 52,000 were
>injured.
>
>Source: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

The actual data source might be useful:
<http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pubs/811156.pdf>


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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 5:26 pm
From: Andre Jute


On Aug 30, 12:33 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you are a real person you are among the most annoying cunts on the
> planet.  Would you please fuck off and mind your own god damn life.
>
> You're worse than a christian and that means a lot coming from me
> because I normally reserve all my contempt for people that pray and
> believe in higher powered beings while they continually fuck this
> planet into the toilet with their 18 kids and counting families.
>
> Now fuck off before I put some effort into finding out exactly who the
> fuck you are.

It's not clear whether you're screeching at me because you think I've
made a case for mandatory helmet law or whether you're screeching at
me because you think I've made a case against a mandatory helmet law.
I haven't done either. I've just provided some honest numbers on which
policymakers, if interested, can make a decision, and cyclists, if
interested, can inform themselves. If you don't want to be informed,
pass by on the other side of the street. No one forces you to read
statistics that give you such heartburn.

Andre Jute
Charisma is the art of infuriating inadequates by merely doing one's
homework


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 5:44 pm
From: Andre Jute


On Aug 30, 1:26 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:20:18 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>
> <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >In the representative year of 2008, the last for which comprehesive
> >data is available, 716 cyclists died on US roads, and 52,000 were
> >injured.
>
> >Source: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
>
> The actual data source might be useful:
> <http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pubs/811156.pdf>
>
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> Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

Thanks. I have it but your reference made me take another look.

Every cyclist who pronounces on road safety should have a copy. Among
other street myths knocked on the head is the one about intersections
being the most dangerous places a cyclist goes. "Pedalcyclist
fatalities occurred more frequently ... at non-intersection locations
(64%)". Oops.

Andre Jute
"The first American car was sold to an American on April Fool's Day,
1898." -- Ralph Stein in "Vintage and Classic Cars", Bantam Books,
1977


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:20 pm
From: Chuck Anderson


I don't suppose you'd honor a request to stop x-posting your bs to
r.b.rides so .....
..... you get to join Commander Bananas .....

Plonk.

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TOPIC: Fatboy
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/98b9d239986536a5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 4:42 pm
From: Davey Crockett


"A. Dumas" a écrit profondement:

| Pearls before swine.
| http://comics.com/pearls_before_swine/2009-06-02/

Good one ;)

Thanks

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TOPIC: Vuelta a Espana , stage 2 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e7a40a0dc6ce877d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 4:55 pm
From: Horst Schnellinger


* Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> [29-08-10 18:37]:
> Favourites by position :
> +17 Allan Davis
> +8 Denis Menchov
> +5 Vincenzo Nibali
> +4 Ruben Plaza
> +3 Joaquin Rodriguez
> -1 Roman Kreuziger
> -7 Frank Schleck
> -10 Andy Schleck
> -87 David Zabriskie
>
> Favourites by time :
> -0:12 Vincenzo Nibali
> -0:12 Ruben Plaza
> -0:12 Roman Kreuziger
> -0:12 Joaquin Rodriguez
> -0:12 Denis Menchov
> -0:12 Allan Davis
> -0:14 Frank Schleck
> -0:14 Andy Schleck
> -0:35 David Zabriskie

Bob, I love your daily statistics for the great tours, one of the only
reasons not to unsubscribe this group.
But from where comes your assessment who's a favourite or not? Nothing
against Davis or DZNuts Zabriskie, but I doubt that they are real
candidates for the Top10 in this Vuelta. Where are Sanchez, Arroyo or
Igor Anton?

But keep on your good work

Regards
Schnellinger

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TOPIC: Back to racing?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/fa5146e23a0999b8?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 5:47 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Aug 29, 11:57 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 28, 12:00 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 28, 10:27 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 28, 9:06 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > What a strange start to the Vuelta.
> > > > A TTT is not a bad way to begin, but only 13k?
> > > > First team off at 10 PM local time with starts as late as 11:28.
> > > > What's up with that?
>
> > > > DR
>
> > > Read the damn articles and you'll know "what's up with that".
>
> > How about a link?
> > Thanks.
>
> > DR
>
> How the hell did you find out about the start time without also
> reading about the rationale?  Surely you've seen at least one article,
> either before or after the TTT, explaining the start time?

You, having "read the damn articles," _obviously_ know.
The start time(s) was mentioned on numerous sites which were
providing coverage of one type or another. It was mentioned in various
tweets that I saw. That would answered the "when." My post here was
asking "Why?"

I found no link of help here:
http://tinyurl.com/284kyh2

Care to share with those of us unenlightened dumbasses who are still
in the dark (no pun untended) why a TTT would be held so late?
Thanks.

DR


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 7:29 pm
From: Scott


On Aug 29, 6:47 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 11:57 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 28, 12:00 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 28, 10:27 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 28, 9:06 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > What a strange start to the Vuelta.
> > > > > A TTT is not a bad way to begin, but only 13k?
> > > > > First team off at 10 PM local time with starts as late as 11:28.
> > > > > What's up with that?
>
> > > > > DR
>
> > > > Read the damn articles and you'll know "what's up with that".
>
> > > How about a link?
> > > Thanks.
>
> > > DR
>
> > How the hell did you find out about the start time without also
> > reading about the rationale?  Surely you've seen at least one article,
> > either before or after the TTT, explaining the start time?
>
> You, having "read the damn articles,"   _obviously_ know.
> The start time(s)  was mentioned on numerous sites which were
> providing coverage of one type or another. It was mentioned in various
> tweets that I saw.  That would answered the "when." My post here was
> asking "Why?"
>
> I found no link of help here:http://tinyurl.com/284kyh2
>
> Care to share with those of us unenlightened dumbasses who are still
> in the dark (no pun untended) why a TTT would be held so late?
> Thanks.
>
> DR

Okay, for the google-impaired, here goes: It was frikkin HOT during
the daytime, with forecasted afternoon temps in the low 100's.
Waiting 'till nightfall let the temps drop into the more manageable
90's.

I don't agree with their rationale, but it is what it is.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:06 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Aug 29, 8:29 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 6:47 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 29, 11:57 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 28, 12:00 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 28, 10:27 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 28, 9:06 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > What a strange start to the Vuelta.
> > > > > > A TTT is not a bad way to begin, but only 13k?
> > > > > > First team off at 10 PM local time with starts as late as 11:28.
> > > > > > What's up with that?
>
> > > > > > DR
>
> > > > > Read the damn articles and you'll know "what's up with that".
>
> > > > How about a link?
> > > > Thanks.
>
> > > > DR
>
> > > How the hell did you find out about the start time without also
> > > reading about the rationale?  Surely you've seen at least one article,
> > > either before or after the TTT, explaining the start time?
>
> > You, having "read the damn articles,"   _obviously_ know.
> > The start time(s)  was mentioned on numerous sites which were
> > providing coverage of one type or another. It was mentioned in various
> > tweets that I saw.  That would answered the "when." My post here was
> > asking "Why?"
>
> > I found no link of help here:http://tinyurl.com/284kyh2
>
> > Care to share with those of us unenlightened dumbasses who are still
> > in the dark (no pun untended) why a TTT would be held so late?
> > Thanks.
>
> > DR
>
> Okay, for the google-impaired, here goes:  It was frikkin HOT during
> the daytime, with forecasted afternoon temps in the low 100's.
> Waiting 'till nightfall let the temps drop into the more manageable
> 90's.
>
> I don't agree with their rationale, but it is what it is.

I HAVE seen mention of the serendipitous result of a LATE night start
because of current unusually high temps. But no mention whatsoever of
WHY the late start was _planned_ in the first place.
And they still held today's stage during the heat of the day.

DR

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TOPIC: Lance Armstrong finally confesses - Dallas News Conference
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bff1ab97bf8892b1?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:00 pm
From: Anton Berlin


DALLAS—Saying that it would probably be best if everyone sat down for
this, seven-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong informed the
U.S. populace Thursday that he wanted to tell it something, but that
the nation first had to promise it wouldn't get angry once he did.

"Look, I'm not going to sugarcoat this. It's bad," Armstrong said
during the nationally televised press conference. "But you have to
swear to God that you won't get mad when I tell you, because if you
get upset and yell about how you're really disappointed I'm just going
to walk out of here."

"Okay?" Armstrong continued. "You guys promise?"

Armstrong then took a deep breath, massaged his forehead, murmured "Oh
boy, here we go," and appeared for several moments to be on the verge
of telling the nation his news. He seemed to lose his focus, however,
commenting that it wasn't as if anything he was about to say would
diminish the fact that he beat cancer or that his foundation has
donated more than $250 million to cancer research.

In addition, Armstrong said the American people had to promise that,
following his announcement, they would resist the urge to remove their
Livestrong bracelets and throw them away or burn them.

"Okay, there's no easy way to put this, but, well, you guys know how I
won a record seven consecutive Tours de France between 1999 and 2005?"
said Armstrong, who took a sip of water as his hand visibly shook.
"Well, this has to do with that. It also has to do with this impending
federal investigation of my cycling team. What it absolutely does not
have anything to do with is the fact that I am an inspiration to
cancer sufferers worldwide—cancer sufferers who could potentially
experience serious physical and emotional setbacks if you break your
promise and get mad at me."

Throughout the preamble to his announcement, onlookers reported
getting the impression that Armstrong felt some need to defend what he
was about to tell the country. The world's most successful cyclist
spent almost 25 minutes telling the nation that, as a top-level
international athlete, one has to do certain things to remain
competitive; that he has no regrets; and that, given the chance to
live his life again, he would do everything again the same way.

Armstrong also repeatedly mentioned that he had beaten cancer.

"You have to understand—in the high-pressure world of competitive
cycling, it's all about getting any advantage you can," Armstrong
said. "And if we were being realistic, we'd have to admit that
everyone in cycling was trying to get an advantage. So, in a way, if
we were all trying to get the same advantage, then the playing field
was still completely equal. So I was still the best. It makes sense
when you look at it that way. And nothing I am about to tell you
changes that. So, when I'm finished saying what I have to say, you all
have to promise to still adore me."

"In fact, if you don't still adore me, and you suddenly get all huffy
and say that I wasn't really a hero all these years, you are in the
wrong here, not me," Armstrong added. "You. Not me."

Armstrong then stood, paced back and forth for a moment, shook his
head, and returned to the microphone.

"You guys are not making this easy for me, that's for damn sure," he
said. "This really shouldn't be hard. Because it's actually not even
really that big of a deal. At all. Frankly, I don't even know why I'm
here right now."

Armstrong reiterated for a fifth and sixth time that he had beaten
cancer.

"Okay, here goes," Armstrong said. "Um, in the late '90s and early
2000s, I took, um… You see, in order to give myself a better chance of
winning, I… Yes, there were instances during the Tour when…"

"You know what? I forgot what I was going to say," Armstrong added.
"Sorry. I feel like an idiot. Have a nice afternoon."

http://www.theonion.com/articles/lance-armstrong-wants-to-tell-nation-something-but,17973/

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:14 pm
From: LawBoy01


On Aug 29, 8:00 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> DALLAS—Saying that it would probably be best if everyone sat down for
> this, seven-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong informed the
> U.S. populace Thursday that he wanted to tell it something, but that
> the nation first had to promise it wouldn't get angry once he did.
>
> "Look, I'm not going to sugarcoat this. It's bad," Armstrong said
> during the nationally televised press conference. "But you have to
> swear to God that you won't get mad when I tell you, because if you
> get upset and yell about how you're really disappointed I'm just going
> to walk out of here."
>
> "Okay?" Armstrong continued. "You guys promise?"
>
> Armstrong then took a deep breath, massaged his forehead, murmured "Oh
> boy, here we go," and appeared for several moments to be on the verge
> of telling the nation his news. He seemed to lose his focus, however,
> commenting that it wasn't as if anything he was about to say would
> diminish the fact that he beat cancer or that his foundation has
> donated more than $250 million to cancer research.
>
> In addition, Armstrong said the American people had to promise that,
> following his announcement, they would resist the urge to remove their
> Livestrong bracelets and throw them away or burn them.
>
> "Okay, there's no easy way to put this, but, well, you guys know how I
> won a record seven consecutive Tours de France between 1999 and 2005?"
> said Armstrong, who took a sip of water as his hand visibly shook.
> "Well, this has to do with that. It also has to do with this impending
> federal investigation of my cycling team. What it absolutely does not
> have anything to do with is the fact that I am an inspiration to
> cancer sufferers worldwide—cancer sufferers who could potentially
> experience serious physical and emotional setbacks if you break your
> promise and get mad at me."
>
> Throughout the preamble to his announcement, onlookers reported
> getting the impression that Armstrong felt some need to defend what he
> was about to tell the country. The world's most successful cyclist
> spent almost 25 minutes telling the nation that, as a top-level
> international athlete, one has to do certain things to remain
> competitive; that he has no regrets; and that, given the chance to
> live his life again, he would do everything again the same way.
>
> Armstrong also repeatedly mentioned that he had beaten cancer.
>
> "You have to understand—in the high-pressure world of competitive
> cycling, it's all about getting any advantage you can," Armstrong
> said. "And if we were being realistic, we'd have to admit that
> everyone in cycling was trying to get an advantage. So, in a way, if
> we were all trying to get the same advantage, then the playing field
> was still completely equal. So I was still the best. It makes sense
> when you look at it that way. And nothing I am about to tell you
> changes that. So, when I'm finished saying what I have to say, you all
> have to promise to still adore me."
>
> "In fact, if you don't still adore me, and you suddenly get all huffy
> and say that I wasn't really a hero all these years, you are in the
> wrong here, not me," Armstrong added. "You. Not me."
>
> Armstrong then stood, paced back and forth for a moment, shook his
> head, and returned to the microphone.
>
> "You guys are not making this easy for me, that's for damn sure," he
> said. "This really shouldn't be hard. Because it's actually not even
> really that big of a deal. At all. Frankly, I don't even know why I'm
> here right now."
>
> Armstrong reiterated for a fifth and sixth time that he had beaten
> cancer.
>
> "Okay, here goes," Armstrong said. "Um, in the late '90s and early
> 2000s, I took, um… You see, in order to give myself a better chance of
> winning, I… Yes, there were instances during the Tour when…"
>
> "You know what? I forgot what I was going to say," Armstrong added.
> "Sorry. I feel like an idiot. Have a nice afternoon."
>
> http://www.theonion.com/articles/lance-armstrong-wants-to-tell-nation...

Anton "the Onion" Berline

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TOPIC: Are you fucking kidding me? 13 retirements in the Vulva already?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5bea6d5ddb8d5dad?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:02 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Aug 29, 3:07 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What a bunch of pussies
> Retirements to date :                                     Stage
>    Arkaitz Duran (Spa) Footon-Servetto                        2 <<<
>    Arnaud Labbe (Fra) Cofidis, le credit en ligne             2 <<<
>    Davide Malacarne (Ita) Quick Step                          2 <<<
>    Gianni Meersman (Bel) FDJ                                  2 <<<
>    Hubert Dupont (Fra) Ag2R-La Mondiale                       2 <<<
>    Jose-Luis Arrieta (Spa) Ag2R-La Mondiale                   2 <<<
>    Julian Dean (NZL) Garmin-Transitions                       2 <<<
>    Lars-Petter Nordhaug (Nor) Team Sky                        2 <<<
>    Lars-Ytting Bak (Den) Team HTC-Columbia                    2 <<<
>    Mickael Buffaz (Fra) Cofidis, le credit en ligne           2 <<<
>    Nick Nuyens (Bel) Rabobank                                 2 <<<
>    Serafin Martinez (Spa) Xacobeo Galicia                     2 <<<
>    Valentin Iglinskiy (Kaz) Astana                            2 <<<
>  Total retirements : 13

I think you meant "Vuelta." Unless, of course, you were intentionally
stretching to make a pun. Big stretch, poor pun. Never mind.

With 110 degree F temperatures it's not all that surprising. Ever
ridden at that temperature? Ever raced at that temperature? Crashes
played a part too. But, yes, a big number for this early in the
race.

DR


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:05 pm
From: Anton Berlin


We've had 30 days above 100 in Dallas and yes I ride.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:20 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<7f30d7c7-a9d4-45a9-94a0-f73b7bdf4eb4@q2g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>,
DirtRoadie <DirtRoadie@aol.com> wrote:

> On Aug 29, 3:07 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > What a bunch of pussies
> > Retirements to date :                                     Stage
> >    Arkaitz Duran (Spa) Footon-Servetto                        2 <<<
> >    Arnaud Labbe (Fra) Cofidis, le credit en ligne             2 <<<
> >    Davide Malacarne (Ita) Quick Step                          2 <<<
> >    Gianni Meersman (Bel) FDJ                                  2 <<<
> >    Hubert Dupont (Fra) Ag2R-La Mondiale                       2 <<<
> >    Jose-Luis Arrieta (Spa) Ag2R-La Mondiale                   2 <<<
> >    Julian Dean (NZL) Garmin-Transitions                       2 <<<
> >    Lars-Petter Nordhaug (Nor) Team Sky                        2 <<<
> >    Lars-Ytting Bak (Den) Team HTC-Columbia                    2 <<<
> >    Mickael Buffaz (Fra) Cofidis, le credit en ligne           2 <<<
> >    Nick Nuyens (Bel) Rabobank                                 2 <<<
> >    Serafin Martinez (Spa) Xacobeo Galicia                     2 <<<
> >    Valentin Iglinskiy (Kaz) Astana                            2 <<<
> >  Total retirements : 13
>
> I think you meant "Vuelta." Unless, of course, you were intentionally
> stretching to make a pun. Big stretch, poor pun. Never mind.
>
> With 110 degree F temperatures it's not all that surprising. Ever
> ridden at that temperature? Ever raced at that temperature? Crashes
> played a part too. But, yes, a big number for this early in the
> race.

Early in a grand tour is _the_ place for massive pile ups.

--
Old Fritz


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:22 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Aug 29, 7:05 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> We've had 30 days above 100 in Dallas and yes I ride.

That's an nice evasive response. Do you ride when it's above 100 and
how many of the "30 days above 100 in Dallas" ( Assuming that you mean
(1) consecutive and (2) the last 30 days) have you ridden. How much
riding time during those days at temps above 100F?

I actually find that with sufficient hydration, road riding (maybe
not racing) is surprisingly more tolerable than off-road riding at the
same temperatures. Maybe more tolerable than any other physical
activity.
But I have only ridden up to, perhaps, 100F. Certainly not 110F and
certainly not for many hours at 100F+.

DR


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:06 pm
From: Plano Dude


On Aug 29, 8:22 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:05 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > We've had 30 days above 100 in Dallas and yes I ride.
>
> That's an nice evasive  response. Do you ride when it's above 100 and
> how many of the "30 days above 100 in Dallas" ( Assuming that you mean
> (1) consecutive and (2) the last 30 days)  have you ridden.   How much
> riding time during those days at temps above 100F?
>
> I actually find that with sufficient hydration, road riding  (maybe
> not racing) is surprisingly more tolerable than off-road riding at the
> same temperatures. Maybe more tolerable than any other physical
> activity.
> But I have only ridden up to, perhaps, 100F. Certainly not 110F and
> certainly not for many hours at 100F+.
>
> DR

100 degrees and single digit humidity doesn't compare to Dallas at
100+ degrees and 30-40% humidity

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TOPIC: Campy Chorus 11-Frt. Der. Adjustment Issue
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5cce4a7651677d24?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:54 pm
From: Michael Press


In article
<1e454a8c-16a6-4e9b-bbf2-de47a836f559@x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
goldmine848 <goldmine848@yahoo.com> wrote:

> New bike with Campy Chorus 11 group. Despite every possible cable
> adjustment I cannot get the left lever to hold the last "click" when
> shifting up to the big ring. If clicks down everytime I stand and put
> pressure on the hoods. Also, the last click to the big ring never
> feels positive and solid . Is the lever defective or am I missing
> something?

I do not know.
Adding rec.bicycles.racing to the distribution list.

--
Michael Press

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TOPIC: Who wants the fascist Krygowski to speak for cyclists?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a746b5e89789c921?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 7:09 pm
From: "andresmuro@aol.com"


On Aug 29, 4:09 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 10:50 pm, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 29, 3:13 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 29, 9:18 pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Bill Sornson wrote:
>
> > > > > Like a lot of things these days, because the elites say so.
>
> > > > To break down the jargon a bit for anyone who would like to follow
> > > > what Bill is saying:
>
> > > > By "elites", Bill means "people who disagree with me, but
> > > > coincidentally are much smarter than me and everybody else who shares
> > > > my opinions".
>
> > > > And by "things", Bill means "things Fox News told me".
>
> > > > Chalo
>
> > > I always assume the elites are on my side. After all, the likelihood
> > > is that I, or people very much like me, told them what to eat, drink,
> > > wear, drive, smoke, desire, hate and think. When there is a small
> > > difference of opinion, as there has successively been on the ozone
> > > layer, global freezing and global warming, they always adopt my view
> > > after a short interregnum. They're not called elites for being stupid,
> > > you know, and smart people rarely differ from me for long.
>
> > Andre the Giant wrote, among other things, ...."and smart people
> > rarely differ from me for long".
> > I know, they prefer to ignore you. After all, its not worth it to
> > argue with an ass.
>
> You should read what you write before you send it, Muro. As your text
> stands, you're admitting to being one of the benighted fools who argue
> with me because they know no better. -- Andre Jute

Well, Jute, you should read my text too. As it stands, I am not
arguing with you. I am just ridiculing you. I tried to do so in the
past and realized that when someone disagreed with you, you would go
from engaging the argument to insulting the messenger. At that point I
decided that you were not capable of dialog and because of your
limited knowledge in any subject that you attempted to engage, and you
would merely copy and paste citations and texts that you hardly
comprehended. When people called you on this, you merely resorted to
throwing tantrums while stumping you little feet under the table. And
this brings me back to an earlier question; do you still stump your
little feet while writing your overwhelmingly dweeby posts? This is
what is truly relevant and we all really want to know. If you doubt
me, please poll the group.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 9:50 pm
From: "Bill Sornson"


"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6cf0984c-174b-4f43-aeae-44d4267c5fec@q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> Bill Sornson wrote (must have been about SOMETHING):

>> Like a lot of things these days, because the elites say so.

> To break down the jargon a bit for anyone who would like to follow
> what Bill is saying:
>
> By "elites", Bill means "people who disagree with me, but
> coincidentally are much smarter than me and everybody else who shares
> my opinions".
>
> And by "things", Bill means "things Fox News told me".
>
> Chalo

There's the Country Class, held in contempt by the Ruling Class (AKA
elites), and then for Chalo there's the No Damned Class.

Bill "Chalo never met a lo-flo toilet (mandated, of course) that could
accommodate him" S.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 9:53 pm
From: Dan O


On Aug 29, 9:50 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@askme.net> wrote:
> "Chalo" <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6cf0984c-174b-4f43-aeae-44d4267c5fec@q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Bill Sornson wrote (must have been about SOMETHING):
> >> Like a lot of things these days, because the elites say so.
> > To break down the jargon a bit for anyone who would like to follow
> > what Bill is saying:
>
> > By "elites", Bill means "people who disagree with me, but
> > coincidentally are much smarter than me and everybody else who shares
> > my opinions".
>
> > And by "things", Bill means "things Fox News told me".
>
> > Chalo
>
> There's the Country Class, held in contempt by the Ruling Class (AKA
> elites), and then for Chalo there's the No Damned Class.
>
> Bill "Chalo never met a lo-flo toilet (mandated, of course) that could
> accommodate him" S.

Can you hear me now? ;-)


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 9:57 pm
From: "Bill Sornson"


<andresmuro@aol.com> wrote in message
news:f96d9036-f0c0-43da-8a7f-48e00a082c39@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...

> Unlike Tom, I would like t thank you for all the amusement.

That why some "Bloodhound Exploit" trojan or worm was attached to your post?


==============================================================================
TOPIC: The Time Wasting of Jute
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/429ffb24ca0c4a7e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:53 pm
From: Andre Jute


On Aug 30, 4:22 am, Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A lot of us were once kill-filed by Andre Jute.  Some of us were
> hoping he'd kill file the entire news group!  Unfortunately, he's
> merely trying to kill it, instead.  :-(
>
> It's a textbook example of the Tragedy of the Commons.  Only with more
> malice than usual.
>
> - Frank Krygowski

Wow. Above Krygowski defines any difference of opinion with himself as
an attack on the newsgroup itself (in portentous tones as no less than
the Tragedy of the Commons!). In this particular instance, Krygowski
defines any discussion of a major study of bicycling fataltiesby the
City of New York as an attack on him, Frank Krygowski, and thus on the
newsgroup. What a self-important wanker Krygowski is.

This is exactly what I mean about Krygowski's fascism.

And it isn't just Krygowski, it is that entire anti-helmet zealotry
who are fascist. We've already seen that Sherman just wants to shut me
up by any means, and Berlin threatening to find out where I live. This
very thread was renamed "The Time Wasting of Jute" by another anti-
helmet zealot, Tim McNamara, to indicate that discussion of any
cycling safety study which contradicts or undermines the anti-helmet
zealots' prejudices is not permitted. (Ironically, in a thread that he
himself named "The Time wasting of Jute", McNamara then wasted time
sending dozens of messages. But hypocrisy is par for the course for
the anti-helmet zealots.)

Andre Jute
One really has to wonder who can possibly still believe these clowns


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TOPIC: Lance details drug use
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a099f2e2bca511bf?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 9:39 pm
From: "Frankie del Ponte"

Lance details drug use:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbB3x_5KIog

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TOPIC: OT: Cats
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8c0f169ccadabfe4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 9:54 pm
From: James


On Aug 30, 4:53 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:

> Women can be quite the cat lovers. Never ask such women to choose between
> her pets and you. If you do, you will be sleeping on the sofa and the cats
> will be sleeping with her.

At that point, a man should probably look for a new woman, one without
a cat fetish, if that bothers him.

JS.


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alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets - 25 new messages in 10 topics - digest

Buzz It
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Today's topics:

* General Patton, General Ryan - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4418511dd1795b7f?hl=en
* sanchez - 7 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/913227436968bda5?hl=en
* Roster - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5f56ca4d6d233c7b?hl=en
* Funny article about the Jets... - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6ca8bf99dc32d4dd?hl=en
* My man Marcus - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/b21112ba66932d79?hl=en
* pet Jets twitter: Coles, Allison, Marcus henry, Wright cut - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2e95dda27b9c1496?hl=en
* IF I only - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1391013583f0f8b1?hl=en
* Stolen from ESPN (adam shefter blog) - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/08199f59ed2f8566?hl=en
* Pace out for six weeks - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/947ce3492470bbf3?hl=en
* Will Revis Ever Line Up for the Jets Again? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/37d6f52574390f7e?hl=en

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TOPIC: General Patton, General Ryan
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4418511dd1795b7f?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 12:01 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:i5cv3k$trb$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "euphy" <eüphemism@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:419hut.jc4.17.1@news.alt.net...
>> On 8/28/2010 6:51 PM, JKConey wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The shit you come across in a football NG! You must be as old as I am.
>> Lee Remick... what a hotty - 48 years ago. I got a laugh out of your
>> comment because Remick is the first actress I can remember having a crush
>> on after seeing Experiment in Terror. Man she looked good in a sweater.
>>
>> Ü
>
>
> A good looking is always a good looking woman. Kim Novak, Tuesday
> Weld, Sophia Loren, Anita Ekberg, Ann Margaret... I can go on and on.

Of course, Marilyn Monroe, Natalie Wood, Birgitte Bardot, .....us old dudes
knew some nice round and soft hot babes :-)


>
>
> --
> JK Sinrod
> www.myconeyislandmemories.com


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:38 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:i590g3$7me$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:i58t3q$kva$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>
>>
>> he was an actor. he acted, his concern was getting paid. he didn't care
>> if the screen writer sucked and the director an idiot as long as the
>> check cleared..
>> but when he did get in a great film he was well up to it
>> Patton, Dr Strangelove to name just a couple.
>>
>
> You speak like you knew him and his motivations. Are all actors that
> shallow? Great actors rarely do bad films, and almost never give a bad
> performance, even if the film sucks. (Nicholson, Tracy, Hepburn, Olivier,
> Streep, Bogey, Cagney, Deniro caliber people). Of course they all make a
> stinker now and then, but I'm thinking Scott could have picked alot better
> is all I'm saying. JMHO
>
> --
> JK Sinrod
> www.myconeyislandmemories.com


actors act. it's their job.
Michael Caine is another,
he's won Oscars and he's done serious dreck.
it all pays. you hang around waiting for the great roles and you'll starve.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:40 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:i5c7u3$cds$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "JetsLife" <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:b7f71c34-c625-4604-a1e8-eaa7063e605f@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 27, 1:01 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> "JetsLife" <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:f83a8253-97a0-4909-bbf6-5a150f2e3dc1@x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> > Good god is "Patton" one of the best films of all time. Watching it
>>> > for the 6 millionth time right now. Watching it reminded me of our
>>> > very own general.
>>>
>>> > That's what I like about Rex: there is no bullshit. Like he said
>>> > during one practice on Hard Knocks: "God I love football." Not unlike
>>> > when George C. Scott - one of the most brilliant actors of all time
>>> > btw - delivers that famous line surveying the destruction of a
>>> > battlefield after talking to the soldier: "I love it. God help me, I
>>> > do love it so. I love it more than my life."
>>>
>>> > Lead us to victory, Gen. Ryan. We've been yearning for decades. We
>>> > will follow you to the very end.
>>>
>>> I love that film as well. Scotts finest moment but..... he turned
>>> out to
>>> be such a disappointment as an actor. He made a series of really bad
>>> films
>>> before he died. Always made me wonder how good he really was?
>>>
>>> --
>>> JK Sinrodwww.myconeyislandmemories.com
>>
>> Couldn't disagree more. He was always always excellent.
>>
>> Perhaps his best turn, a brilliant job done, was Dr. Strangelove.
>
>
>
> Peter Sellers was the king of that film, (3 roles and if not for a
> broken leg, he would have played 5 roles I read), so Scott's job in that
> one was more a cameo. How about Scott in The Hustler? Played a terrific
> low life slime. And I liked him as the con man in Flim Flam man.
>

Scott was more than a cameo in Strangelove.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:40 pm
From: JetsLife


On Aug 29, 9:40 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:i5c7u3$cds$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "JetsLife" <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:b7f71c34-c625-4604-a1e8-eaa7063e605f@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Aug 27, 1:01 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>> "JetsLife" <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>news:f83a8253-97a0-4909-bbf6-5a150f2e3dc1@x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> > Good god is "Patton" one of the best films of all time. Watching it
> >>> > for the 6 millionth time right now. Watching it reminded me of our
> >>> > very own general.
>
> >>> > That's what I like about Rex: there is no bullshit. Like he said
> >>> > during one practice on Hard Knocks: "God I love football." Not unlike
> >>> > when George C. Scott - one of the most brilliant actors of all time
> >>> > btw - delivers that famous line surveying the destruction of a
> >>> > battlefield after talking to the soldier: "I love it. God help me, I
> >>> > do love it so. I love it more than my life."
>
> >>> > Lead us to victory, Gen. Ryan. We've been yearning for decades. We
> >>> > will follow you to the very end.
>
> >>>     I love that film as well. Scotts finest moment but..... he turned
> >>> out to
> >>> be such a disappointment as an actor. He made a series of really bad
> >>> films
> >>> before he died. Always made me wonder how good he really was?
>
> >>> --
> >>> JK Sinrodwww.myconeyislandmemories.com
>
> >> Couldn't disagree more. He was always always excellent.
>
> >> Perhaps his best turn, a brilliant job done, was Dr. Strangelove.
>
> >   Peter Sellers was the king of that film, (3 roles and if not for a
> > broken leg, he would have played 5 roles I read), so Scott's job in that
> > one was more a cameo. How about Scott in The Hustler? Played a terrific
> > low life slime. And I liked him as the con man in Flim Flam man.
>
> Scott was more than a cameo in Strangelove.

Exactly Ray. Scott's character was a prime mover.

C'mon JK, get your facts straight re Strangelove.

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TOPIC: sanchez
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/913227436968bda5?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 12:43 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On Aug 28, 12:30 pm, JetsFan34 <noem...@noemail.com> wrote:
> Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:7faa004d-ae93-4d47-8c6d-
> 8dde91b14...@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Funny, this troll gives us an opportunity to discuss how Sanchez looks
> > so far.  And in my view, it looks like he has not made as much
> > progress as hoped.  Talk about Revis as much as you want, but the
> > defense will be effective with or without him.  But if Sanchez plays
> > like he has the last 2 games, then this team will not be in the
> > playoffs.  Right now he is the weak link in the chain.  Also, the OL
> > doesn't have its sh*t together yet.  Both Brick and Woody let pass
> > rushers get by which seemed totally regressed from their outstanding
> > pass blocking last season.
>
> > The only bright spot has been Ladainian Tomlinson, who has looked
> > really good so far. Shonn Greene also looks great.  He is one tough
> > mofo to tackle.  And McKinght... ugh.  Can we have Leon back instead?
>
> http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/28/will-sanchez-be-ready-for-
> the-ravens/?ref=football
>
> This NY Times article correctly points to Shottenheimer & Sanchez as a
> COMBO that needs to get its act together and fast.

Great get, Fan. And exactly in tune with my tune this weekend.


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 12:57 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <VP-dnbD8KvVeOufRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> news:harlan-8C9060.10100029082010@news60.forteinc.com...
> > In article <FqKdnSyhyf13PeTRnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
> >> news:harlan-98EA11.14254028082010@news60.forteinc.com...
> >> > In article
> >> > <7faa004d-ae93-4d47-8c6d-8dde91b1444f@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Funny, this troll gives us an opportunity to discuss how Sanchez looks
> >> >> so far. And in my view, it looks like he has not made as much
> >> >> progress as hoped. Talk about Revis as much as you want, but the
> >> >> defense will be effective with or without him. But if Sanchez plays
> >> >> like he has the last 2 games, then this team will not be in the
> >> >> playoffs. Right now he is the weak link in the chain. Also, the OL
> >> >> doesn't have its sh*t together yet. Both Brick and Woody let pass
> >> >> rushers get by which seemed totally regressed from their outstanding
> >> >> pass blocking last season.
> >> >>
> >> >> The only bright spot has been Ladainian Tomlinson, who has looked
> >> >> really good so far. Shonn Greene also looks great. He is one tough
> >> >> mofo to tackle. And McKinght... ugh. Can we have Leon back instead?
> >> >
> >> > Yup except for the Leon mistake. Having Leon, his agent, and his wife
> >> > back without a big contract would have been continued distraction for
> >> > little value. While he looked good for a brief time last game, when we
> >> > traded him, there was no assurance he would come back as good as he was
> >> > nor is there still.
> >> >
> >> > McKnight never made it in college -- he needs a shrink to get his head
> >> > in line with his talent. NFL teams don't go that route so I suspect he
> >> > will be gone in a year or two when he continues to screw up.
> >> >
> >> > h
> >>
> >> Leon was flat out good. It was never his fault that the OC never figured
> >> out how to use the talent he had available....that was always a horror
> >> show
> >> as far as I'm concerned. McNight? He needs to go somehwere and grow
> >> up....I'd bet the house he does something really stupid both on and off
> >> the
> >> field.
> >
> > No intelligent takers for that bet. I really do feel he is one of those
> > players for whom a team should insist on a behavioral psychologist. The
> > talent is there. The head is not. I like the concept of being f--ed up
> > rather than not grown up. I know lots of non-f--ed up younger peopole
> > who are not grown up.
> >
> > BTW, the "good" comment I made about Leon had nothing to do with whether
> > Leon played flat out good for us. I was referring to his first Seattle
> > comeback preseason action. Based on that, it looks like Leon may
> > actually make it all the way back. Who knew?
> >
> > I still believe that given his demands, his agent, and he and his wife's
> > whining, Leon was not the place to put our bucks. I like the extensions
> > to Brick and Mangold. I really hope we keep Harris (and understand how
> > the CBA prevents the right deal for him). I figure Revis is retired
> > because once he loses a year's salary, has huge fines, figures out he
> > and his agents lost the guaranteed option on the Jets option years, and
> > even maybe sits out the lockout, his only hope is if all contracts are
> > nullified. I don't think that happens and I don't see how Revis saves
> > face.
> >
> > h
>
> OK...I can understand that...but if you are getting rid of Leon and
> TJ...you've gotta come up with something more solid than McNight. I'm
> pleasantly surprised at how LT looks and hope he can keep it up.

Papa, so do the Jets.

The one good thing is that we can draft another RB next year and there
are always one or two year players like LT, Westbrook, LJ and others on
the market.

h

h


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 1:18 pm
From: MZ


Harlan Lachman wrote:
> In article <VP-dnbD8KvVeOufRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>> news:harlan-8C9060.10100029082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>> In article <FqKdnSyhyf13PeTRnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:harlan-98EA11.14254028082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <7faa004d-ae93-4d47-8c6d-8dde91b1444f@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny, this troll gives us an opportunity to discuss how Sanchez looks
>>>>>> so far. And in my view, it looks like he has not made as much
>>>>>> progress as hoped. Talk about Revis as much as you want, but the
>>>>>> defense will be effective with or without him. But if Sanchez plays
>>>>>> like he has the last 2 games, then this team will not be in the
>>>>>> playoffs. Right now he is the weak link in the chain. Also, the OL
>>>>>> doesn't have its sh*t together yet. Both Brick and Woody let pass
>>>>>> rushers get by which seemed totally regressed from their outstanding
>>>>>> pass blocking last season.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only bright spot has been Ladainian Tomlinson, who has looked
>>>>>> really good so far. Shonn Greene also looks great. He is one tough
>>>>>> mofo to tackle. And McKinght... ugh. Can we have Leon back instead?
>>>>> Yup except for the Leon mistake. Having Leon, his agent, and his wife
>>>>> back without a big contract would have been continued distraction for
>>>>> little value. While he looked good for a brief time last game, when we
>>>>> traded him, there was no assurance he would come back as good as he was
>>>>> nor is there still.
>>>>>
>>>>> McKnight never made it in college -- he needs a shrink to get his head
>>>>> in line with his talent. NFL teams don't go that route so I suspect he
>>>>> will be gone in a year or two when he continues to screw up.
>>>>>
>>>>> h
>>>> Leon was flat out good. It was never his fault that the OC never figured
>>>> out how to use the talent he had available....that was always a horror
>>>> show
>>>> as far as I'm concerned. McNight? He needs to go somehwere and grow
>>>> up....I'd bet the house he does something really stupid both on and off
>>>> the
>>>> field.
>>> No intelligent takers for that bet. I really do feel he is one of those
>>> players for whom a team should insist on a behavioral psychologist. The
>>> talent is there. The head is not. I like the concept of being f--ed up
>>> rather than not grown up. I know lots of non-f--ed up younger peopole
>>> who are not grown up.
>>>
>>> BTW, the "good" comment I made about Leon had nothing to do with whether
>>> Leon played flat out good for us. I was referring to his first Seattle
>>> comeback preseason action. Based on that, it looks like Leon may
>>> actually make it all the way back. Who knew?
>>>
>>> I still believe that given his demands, his agent, and he and his wife's
>>> whining, Leon was not the place to put our bucks. I like the extensions
>>> to Brick and Mangold. I really hope we keep Harris (and understand how
>>> the CBA prevents the right deal for him). I figure Revis is retired
>>> because once he loses a year's salary, has huge fines, figures out he
>>> and his agents lost the guaranteed option on the Jets option years, and
>>> even maybe sits out the lockout, his only hope is if all contracts are
>>> nullified. I don't think that happens and I don't see how Revis saves
>>> face.
>>>
>>> h
>> OK...I can understand that...but if you are getting rid of Leon and
>> TJ...you've gotta come up with something more solid than McNight. I'm
>> pleasantly surprised at how LT looks and hope he can keep it up.
>
> Papa, so do the Jets.
>
> The one good thing is that we can draft another RB next year and there
> are always one or two year players like LT, Westbrook, LJ and others on
> the market.

Yeah, it's so weird how undervalued RBs are now, too. Probably the
cheapest position to fill on the roster, next to kickers, punters, and
snappers.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 1:49 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:GsCdnbieNtQLXefRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>> In article <VP-dnbD8KvVeOufRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>> news:harlan-8C9060.10100029082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>> In article <FqKdnSyhyf13PeTRnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:harlan-98EA11.14254028082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <7faa004d-ae93-4d47-8c6d-8dde91b1444f@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny, this troll gives us an opportunity to discuss how Sanchez
>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>> so far. And in my view, it looks like he has not made as much
>>>>>>> progress as hoped. Talk about Revis as much as you want, but the
>>>>>>> defense will be effective with or without him. But if Sanchez plays
>>>>>>> like he has the last 2 games, then this team will not be in the
>>>>>>> playoffs. Right now he is the weak link in the chain. Also, the OL
>>>>>>> doesn't have its sh*t together yet. Both Brick and Woody let pass
>>>>>>> rushers get by which seemed totally regressed from their outstanding
>>>>>>> pass blocking last season.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only bright spot has been Ladainian Tomlinson, who has looked
>>>>>>> really good so far. Shonn Greene also looks great. He is one tough
>>>>>>> mofo to tackle. And McKinght... ugh. Can we have Leon back
>>>>>>> instead?
>>>>>> Yup except for the Leon mistake. Having Leon, his agent, and his wife
>>>>>> back without a big contract would have been continued distraction for
>>>>>> little value. While he looked good for a brief time last game, when
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> traded him, there was no assurance he would come back as good as he
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> nor is there still.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> McKnight never made it in college -- he needs a shrink to get his
>>>>>> head
>>>>>> in line with his talent. NFL teams don't go that route so I suspect
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> will be gone in a year or two when he continues to screw up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> h
>>>>> Leon was flat out good. It was never his fault that the OC never
>>>>> figured
>>>>> out how to use the talent he had available....that was always a horror
>>>>> show
>>>>> as far as I'm concerned. McNight? He needs to go somehwere and grow
>>>>> up....I'd bet the house he does something really stupid both on and
>>>>> off the
>>>>> field.
>>>> No intelligent takers for that bet. I really do feel he is one of those
>>>> players for whom a team should insist on a behavioral psychologist. The
>>>> talent is there. The head is not. I like the concept of being f--ed up
>>>> rather than not grown up. I know lots of non-f--ed up younger peopole
>>>> who are not grown up.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, the "good" comment I made about Leon had nothing to do with
>>>> whether
>>>> Leon played flat out good for us. I was referring to his first Seattle
>>>> comeback preseason action. Based on that, it looks like Leon may
>>>> actually make it all the way back. Who knew?
>>>>
>>>> I still believe that given his demands, his agent, and he and his
>>>> wife's
>>>> whining, Leon was not the place to put our bucks. I like the extensions
>>>> to Brick and Mangold. I really hope we keep Harris (and understand how
>>>> the CBA prevents the right deal for him). I figure Revis is retired
>>>> because once he loses a year's salary, has huge fines, figures out he
>>>> and his agents lost the guaranteed option on the Jets option years, and
>>>> even maybe sits out the lockout, his only hope is if all contracts are
>>>> nullified. I don't think that happens and I don't see how Revis saves
>>>> face.
>>>>
>>>> h
>>> OK...I can understand that...but if you are getting rid of Leon and
>>> TJ...you've gotta come up with something more solid than McNight. I'm
>>> pleasantly surprised at how LT looks and hope he can keep it up.
>>
>> Papa, so do the Jets. The one good thing is that we can draft another RB
>> next year and there are always one or two year players like LT,
>> Westbrook, LJ and others on the market.
>
> Yeah, it's so weird how undervalued RBs are now, too. Probably the
> cheapest position to fill on the roster, next to kickers, punters, and
> snappers.

LOL...yup...it ain't football anymore...they really should find another name
for what they play.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 2:30 pm
From: MZ


papa.carl44 wrote:
> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
> news:GsCdnbieNtQLXefRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>> In article <VP-dnbD8KvVeOufRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:harlan-8C9060.10100029082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>>> In article <FqKdnSyhyf13PeTRnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:harlan-98EA11.14254028082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> <7faa004d-ae93-4d47-8c6d-8dde91b1444f@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>> Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Funny, this troll gives us an opportunity to discuss how Sanchez
>>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>> so far. And in my view, it looks like he has not made as much
>>>>>>>> progress as hoped. Talk about Revis as much as you want, but the
>>>>>>>> defense will be effective with or without him. But if Sanchez plays
>>>>>>>> like he has the last 2 games, then this team will not be in the
>>>>>>>> playoffs. Right now he is the weak link in the chain. Also, the OL
>>>>>>>> doesn't have its sh*t together yet. Both Brick and Woody let pass
>>>>>>>> rushers get by which seemed totally regressed from their outstanding
>>>>>>>> pass blocking last season.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only bright spot has been Ladainian Tomlinson, who has looked
>>>>>>>> really good so far. Shonn Greene also looks great. He is one tough
>>>>>>>> mofo to tackle. And McKinght... ugh. Can we have Leon back
>>>>>>>> instead?
>>>>>>> Yup except for the Leon mistake. Having Leon, his agent, and his wife
>>>>>>> back without a big contract would have been continued distraction for
>>>>>>> little value. While he looked good for a brief time last game, when
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> traded him, there was no assurance he would come back as good as he
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> nor is there still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> McKnight never made it in college -- he needs a shrink to get his
>>>>>>> head
>>>>>>> in line with his talent. NFL teams don't go that route so I suspect
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>> will be gone in a year or two when he continues to screw up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> h
>>>>>> Leon was flat out good. It was never his fault that the OC never
>>>>>> figured
>>>>>> out how to use the talent he had available....that was always a horror
>>>>>> show
>>>>>> as far as I'm concerned. McNight? He needs to go somehwere and grow
>>>>>> up....I'd bet the house he does something really stupid both on and
>>>>>> off the
>>>>>> field.
>>>>> No intelligent takers for that bet. I really do feel he is one of those
>>>>> players for whom a team should insist on a behavioral psychologist. The
>>>>> talent is there. The head is not. I like the concept of being f--ed up
>>>>> rather than not grown up. I know lots of non-f--ed up younger peopole
>>>>> who are not grown up.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, the "good" comment I made about Leon had nothing to do with
>>>>> whether
>>>>> Leon played flat out good for us. I was referring to his first Seattle
>>>>> comeback preseason action. Based on that, it looks like Leon may
>>>>> actually make it all the way back. Who knew?
>>>>>
>>>>> I still believe that given his demands, his agent, and he and his
>>>>> wife's
>>>>> whining, Leon was not the place to put our bucks. I like the extensions
>>>>> to Brick and Mangold. I really hope we keep Harris (and understand how
>>>>> the CBA prevents the right deal for him). I figure Revis is retired
>>>>> because once he loses a year's salary, has huge fines, figures out he
>>>>> and his agents lost the guaranteed option on the Jets option years, and
>>>>> even maybe sits out the lockout, his only hope is if all contracts are
>>>>> nullified. I don't think that happens and I don't see how Revis saves
>>>>> face.
>>>>>
>>>>> h
>>>> OK...I can understand that...but if you are getting rid of Leon and
>>>> TJ...you've gotta come up with something more solid than McNight. I'm
>>>> pleasantly surprised at how LT looks and hope he can keep it up.
>>> Papa, so do the Jets. The one good thing is that we can draft another RB
>>> next year and there are always one or two year players like LT,
>>> Westbrook, LJ and others on the market.
>> Yeah, it's so weird how undervalued RBs are now, too. Probably the
>> cheapest position to fill on the roster, next to kickers, punters, and
>> snappers.
>
> LOL...yup...it ain't football anymore...they really should find another name
> for what they play.

It's funny, this year Kevin Faulk was a free agent and the Pats offered
him a deal and he said he wanted to wait to see what other running backs
got. Turns out, after a few signed new deals (including Thomas Jones
and Ladanian Tomlinson), Faulk turned right around and accepted New
England's original offer. He couldn't believe how little those guys
were getting paid compared to similar players at other positions.


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:32 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:GsCdnbueNtT0TOfRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> papa.carl44 wrote:
>> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
>> news:GsCdnbieNtQLXefRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>> In article <VP-dnbD8KvVeOufRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:harlan-8C9060.10100029082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>>>> In article <FqKdnSyhyf13PeTRnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:harlan-98EA11.14254028082010@news60.forteinc.com...
>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>> <7faa004d-ae93-4d47-8c6d-8dde91b1444f@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>> Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Funny, this troll gives us an opportunity to discuss how Sanchez
>>>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>>> so far. And in my view, it looks like he has not made as much
>>>>>>>>> progress as hoped. Talk about Revis as much as you want, but the
>>>>>>>>> defense will be effective with or without him. But if Sanchez
>>>>>>>>> plays
>>>>>>>>> like he has the last 2 games, then this team will not be in the
>>>>>>>>> playoffs. Right now he is the weak link in the chain. Also, the
>>>>>>>>> OL
>>>>>>>>> doesn't have its sh*t together yet. Both Brick and Woody let pass
>>>>>>>>> rushers get by which seemed totally regressed from their
>>>>>>>>> outstanding
>>>>>>>>> pass blocking last season.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only bright spot has been Ladainian Tomlinson, who has looked
>>>>>>>>> really good so far. Shonn Greene also looks great. He is one
>>>>>>>>> tough
>>>>>>>>> mofo to tackle. And McKinght... ugh. Can we have Leon back
>>>>>>>>> instead?
>>>>>>>> Yup except for the Leon mistake. Having Leon, his agent, and his
>>>>>>>> wife
>>>>>>>> back without a big contract would have been continued distraction
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> little value. While he looked good for a brief time last game, when
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> traded him, there was no assurance he would come back as good as he
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> nor is there still.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> McKnight never made it in college -- he needs a shrink to get his
>>>>>>>> head
>>>>>>>> in line with his talent. NFL teams don't go that route so I suspect
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> will be gone in a year or two when he continues to screw up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> h
>>>>>>> Leon was flat out good. It was never his fault that the OC never
>>>>>>> figured
>>>>>>> out how to use the talent he had available....that was always a
>>>>>>> horror show
>>>>>>> as far as I'm concerned. McNight? He needs to go somehwere and
>>>>>>> grow
>>>>>>> up....I'd bet the house he does something really stupid both on and
>>>>>>> off the
>>>>>>> field.
>>>>>> No intelligent takers for that bet. I really do feel he is one of
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> players for whom a team should insist on a behavioral psychologist.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> talent is there. The head is not. I like the concept of being f--ed
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> rather than not grown up. I know lots of non-f--ed up younger peopole
>>>>>> who are not grown up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, the "good" comment I made about Leon had nothing to do with
>>>>>> whether
>>>>>> Leon played flat out good for us. I was referring to his first
>>>>>> Seattle
>>>>>> comeback preseason action. Based on that, it looks like Leon may
>>>>>> actually make it all the way back. Who knew?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still believe that given his demands, his agent, and he and his
>>>>>> wife's
>>>>>> whining, Leon was not the place to put our bucks. I like the
>>>>>> extensions
>>>>>> to Brick and Mangold. I really hope we keep Harris (and understand
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> the CBA prevents the right deal for him). I figure Revis is retired
>>>>>> because once he loses a year's salary, has huge fines, figures out he
>>>>>> and his agents lost the guaranteed option on the Jets option years,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> even maybe sits out the lockout, his only hope is if all contracts
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> nullified. I don't think that happens and I don't see how Revis saves
>>>>>> face.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> h
>>>>> OK...I can understand that...but if you are getting rid of Leon and
>>>>> TJ...you've gotta come up with something more solid than McNight. I'm
>>>>> pleasantly surprised at how LT looks and hope he can keep it up.
>>>> Papa, so do the Jets. The one good thing is that we can draft another
>>>> RB next year and there are always one or two year players like LT,
>>>> Westbrook, LJ and others on the market.
>>> Yeah, it's so weird how undervalued RBs are now, too. Probably the
>>> cheapest position to fill on the roster, next to kickers, punters, and
>>> snappers.
>>
>> LOL...yup...it ain't football anymore...they really should find another
>> name for what they play.
>
> It's funny, this year Kevin Faulk was a free agent and the Pats offered
> him a deal and he said he wanted to wait to see what other running backs
> got. Turns out, after a few signed new deals (including Thomas Jones and
> Ladanian Tomlinson), Faulk turned right around and accepted New England's
> original offer. He couldn't believe how little those guys were getting
> paid compared to similar players at other positions.

And what about the beating they take? I'm just way too old to appreciate
today's game...I liked a good running game.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:46 pm
From: JetsLife


On Aug 28, 9:59 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Funny, this troll gives us an opportunity to discuss how Sanchez looks
> so far.  And in my view, it looks like he has not made as much
> progress as hoped.  Talk about Revis as much as you want, but the
> defense will be effective with or without him.  But if Sanchez plays
> like he has the last 2 games, then this team will not be in the
> playoffs.  Right now he is the weak link in the chain.  Also, the OL
> doesn't have its sh*t together yet.  Both Brick and Woody let pass
> rushers get by which seemed totally regressed from their outstanding
> pass blocking last season.
>
> The only bright spot has been Ladainian Tomlinson, who has looked
> really good so far. Shonn Greene also looks great.  He is one tough
> mofo to tackle.  And McKinght... ugh.  Can we have Leon back instead?

Leon is a luxury item who could only take away from the great Brad
Smith. Leon is out. I'd rather have Brad Smith & McKnight. Haven't you
seen McKnight's dynamism returning punts?

In RexBaum We Trust.

In the meantime, be very very careful about reading into preseason.
Only a fool would show his real cards before he has to.

I imagine we're a run-first offense just as we were last year. Relax
and get geared up for 9/13. Then we'll see.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Roster
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5f56ca4d6d233c7b?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 12:35 pm
From: MZ


papa.carl44 wrote:
> "buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
> news:vhpk76l196isv81f3j8mkfalafc0hc06k1@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:05:54 -0400, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <p1ug76tasm3b9r2qiea0aeic4q585ckuhh@4ax.com>,
>>> buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:30:31 -0700 (PDT), John C TX
>>>> <johnctxjets@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been scratching my head-- shut up Johnny-- and wonder how this
>>>>> roster shakes out.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3 QB's
>>>>> 3 TB's -- if they risk leaving Woddhead out there to bring him back to
>>>>> the practice squad
>>>>> ? FB -- We can't afford the luxury of two so is Richardson is done?
>>>>> ?TE -- We should have never released Joel Dreesen. A long snapper who
>>>>> can actually play TE. Keller & ???
>>>>> ? OL -- this will have to be 8
>>>>> 6 WR -- Holmes, Cotchery, Edwards, Smith, Clowney, Henry -- Coles gets
>>>>> cut?
>>>> Clowney gets cut.
>> >From your fingers to Rex and Tanny's red pen. I would just love Drew
>>> Coleman to get his walking papers too. But not Clemens.
>>>
>>> H
>> Yup, but Coleman has those pics of Woody & the aardvark.
>>
>> Funny, I've never been as down on Clemens as most others.
>> I think he's a lot tougher than Sanchez.
>> He started out ok, then got beaten to smithereens the Kendall year.
>> And since, has kinda gotten beaten down by management.
>> Not to mention the Favre misadventure, and drafting Sanchez.
>
> I have really felt that in general you can take a really good player, and he
> can get caught in certain situations that destroy him. Clemens could be one
> of those...he never got a chance. The times he got to play were always
> "desperation" times....the Favre deal was flat out beyond stupid. Who knows
> what Kellen could be if he was ever really "groomed"....I really believe
> that all a player needs some times is to have a few bad things happen, and
> some coach or press to start ripping him and it takes off....the player
> knows what is going on, and feels the pressure from within and from the
> staff that matters to him. From that moment it is never a supportive
> development role...and that is what "coaching" is supposed to mean. The
> buffoons who think they know the game and think it's wise to go out and kick
> some ass and force a guy to be good just don't get results. Yeah, be tough,
> be honest...but feakin coach! I'll bet Clemens never got into a situation
> where he ever felt comfortable. Maybe now, even he can see that Sanchez is
> not what they thought he was and he sees little of the old "desperation"
> pressure on him...so he is playing much better. OMHO...Papa Carl
>
>

I agree with the concept, but I find it VERY telling how reluctant they
always were in putting him in the game. He sat on the bench a while.
Then, when Pennington was struggling in his last year in NY, they waited
forever until finally giving Clemens a shot. Then the next year rather
than go with Clemens they brought in Favre. Then the year after that,
rather than go with Clemens they drafted Sanchez.

It seems like they've felt all along that Clemens wasn't the guy. I
assume they see something from him in practice or in the classroom over
these years that haven't given the TWO coaching staffs that have coached
him much confidence.

In short, my suspicion is that he just sucks.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 1:48 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:GsCdnbmeNtQNK-fRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> papa.carl44 wrote:
>> "buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>> news:vhpk76l196isv81f3j8mkfalafc0hc06k1@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:05:54 -0400, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <p1ug76tasm3b9r2qiea0aeic4q585ckuhh@4ax.com>,
>>>> buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:30:31 -0700 (PDT), John C TX
>>>>> <johnctxjets@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been scratching my head-- shut up Johnny-- and wonder how this
>>>>>> roster shakes out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3 QB's
>>>>>> 3 TB's -- if they risk leaving Woddhead out there to bring him back
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the practice squad
>>>>>> ? FB -- We can't afford the luxury of two so is Richardson is done?
>>>>>> ?TE -- We should have never released Joel Dreesen. A long snapper
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> can actually play TE. Keller & ???
>>>>>> ? OL -- this will have to be 8
>>>>>> 6 WR -- Holmes, Cotchery, Edwards, Smith, Clowney, Henry -- Coles
>>>>>> gets
>>>>>> cut?
>>>>> Clowney gets cut.
>>> >From your fingers to Rex and Tanny's red pen. I would just love Drew
>>>> Coleman to get his walking papers too. But not Clemens.
>>>>
>>>> H
>>> Yup, but Coleman has those pics of Woody & the aardvark.
>>>
>>> Funny, I've never been as down on Clemens as most others.
>>> I think he's a lot tougher than Sanchez.
>>> He started out ok, then got beaten to smithereens the Kendall year.
>>> And since, has kinda gotten beaten down by management.
>>> Not to mention the Favre misadventure, and drafting Sanchez.
>>
>> I have really felt that in general you can take a really good player, and
>> he can get caught in certain situations that destroy him. Clemens could
>> be one of those...he never got a chance. The times he got to play were
>> always "desperation" times....the Favre deal was flat out beyond stupid.
>> Who knows what Kellen could be if he was ever really "groomed"....I
>> really believe that all a player needs some times is to have a few bad
>> things happen, and some coach or press to start ripping him and it takes
>> off....the player knows what is going on, and feels the pressure from
>> within and from the staff that matters to him. From that moment it is
>> never a supportive development role...and that is what "coaching" is
>> supposed to mean. The buffoons who think they know the game and think
>> it's wise to go out and kick some ass and force a guy to be good just
>> don't get results. Yeah, be tough, be honest...but feakin coach! I'll
>> bet Clemens never got into a situation where he ever felt comfortable.
>> Maybe now, even he can see that Sanchez is not what they thought he was
>> and he sees little of the old "desperation" pressure on him...so he is
>> playing much better. OMHO...Papa Carl
>
> I agree with the concept, but I find it VERY telling how reluctant they
> always were in putting him in the game. He sat on the bench a while.
> Then, when Pennington was struggling in his last year in NY, they waited
> forever until finally giving Clemens a shot. Then the next year rather
> than go with Clemens they brought in Favre. Then the year after that,
> rather than go with Clemens they drafted Sanchez.
>
> It seems like they've felt all along that Clemens wasn't the guy. I
> assume they see something from him in practice or in the classroom over
> these years that haven't given the TWO coaching staffs that have coached
> him much confidence.
>
> In short, my suspicion is that he just sucks.

Could be...but then why did they keep him? I think it is more of a
situation I've seen first hand way too many times, these guys are extremely
worried about how the are perceived a lot of times...I suspect that when
they drafted Clemens they got a lot of criticism because it was just cool to
do...look at some of the talking heads they let report on this stuff, it's a
joke. Bernie Kornheiser knows anything about football????? It happens
with picks other than the obvious and the totally obscure...somebody knows a
little about the guy, and it can go all the way back to high school...this
is not a long body of work that is being examined. So, somebody gets
cautious only to preserve what might be said about them and a player gets
screwed. How they are dealt with is critical to how they perform. That
just is...and I don't want to hear somebody say "they are pros...yada yada
yada" Those saying that did not come out of college and hit the bricks at
full speed in their professions...they developed into it and usually with a
lot of guidance...and COACHING. So..you may be totally right...but I have
to wonder why they just didn't get rid of him then?

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 12:51 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <GsCdnb6eNtQvBOfRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:

> Dude, don't worry about preseason so much.

Mark, you ruined my Iverson paraphrase comment. Man, you're talkin about
preseason. Preseason.

h


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 12:51 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <GsCdnb-eNtRaBefRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:

> Copp wrote:
> > In article <BsKdnYt7XNXqjeTRnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@giganews.com>
> > MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
> >>> The Jets, in a preseason game against the Giants, gave up 362
> >>> yds to them. The Patriots, in a preseason game against the RAMS
> >>> and a ROOKIE qb, gave up 462 yds to them.
> >> I'm trying like hell to draw a meaningful conclusion from this, but I
> >> just can't. So the Jets '10 defense is the Pats '09 defense, is that
> >> what you're saying?
> >
> > Ok, I'll spell it out for you: The Jets, in their FIRST preseason
> > game (the one where you have the least practice playing) held
> > the Giants, a much better team with experienced quarterbacks,
> > to fewer yards than the Patriots did to a team that was 1-15
> > the year previous, and they could stop neither the rookie qb
> > or the second stringer on that team. What it means is: the Pats
> > defense isn't very good. It will be adequate against a lot
> > of teams in the league, but they won't be going to the SB. Okay?
> > The Jets aren't going anywhere either because of their lack
> > of skill on the offensive side of the ball, but that's another
> > thread.
> >
>
> So, let me get this straight. You compare the Pats defense to the best
> defense in all of football, and you conclude that the Pats D "isn't very
> good." Then you compare the Jets offense to one of the best offenses in
> all of football, and you conclude that the Jets O isn't very good?
>
> That means, according to your logic, 31 teams in the league have
> offenses that aren't very good, and 31 teams in the league have defenses
> that aren't very good.
>
> So I guess no one will be going to the super bowl.

LMAO

h


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:42 pm
From: Copp


In article <GsCdnb-eNtRaBefRnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com>
MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
> So, let me get this straight. You compare the Pats defense to the best
> defense in all of football, and you conclude that the Pats D "isn't very
> good." Then you compare the Jets offense to one of the best offenses in
> all of football, and you conclude that the Jets O isn't very good?

The Jets are in the discussion because this is the Jets newsgroup.
I wasn't comparing strictly Jets to Pats or Pats to Jets. The Jets
offense sucks by any measure.

> That means, according to your logic, 31 teams in the league have
> offenses that aren't very good, and 31 teams in the league have defenses
> that aren't very good.
>
> So I guess no one will be going to the super bowl.

I'll try one more time. Here are the yards given up by teams in
the preseason:

SD gave up 552 yds to NO

Jac gave up 496 to Philly

NE gave up 462 to St. Louis<-----****

Indy gave up 430 to GB

Sea gave up 421 to GB

Rams gave up 414 to Minn

Det gave up 414 to Cle

Den gave up 409 to Cinc

Hou gave up 409 to NO

Do you see how those numbers make sense, except for one? NO is
on the list twice, GB twice, Philly, Minn? What doesn't fit is
NE giving up 462 to the ST LOUIS RAMS!!!

The Pats are also continuing another bad trend from last year, where
they play great at home and mediocre on the road.

The NE defense hasn't gotten better. It could quite possibly be
worse than last year.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 7:57 pm
From: MZ


Copp wrote:
> Do you see how those numbers make sense, except for one? NO is
> on the list twice, GB twice, Philly, Minn? What doesn't fit is
> NE giving up 462 to the ST LOUIS RAMS!!!

How many yards did they give up to New Orleans? To you, it's ok when
San Diego gives up 552 yards to New Orleans, but when New England shuts
them down it doesn't count. Have you heard the phrase "cherry picking"?

Anyway, it's only preseason.


> The Pats are also continuing another bad trend from last year, where
> they play great at home and mediocre on the road.

Research research research. They played St. Louis in Foxboro.

It was a preseason game.


> The NE defense hasn't gotten better. It could quite possibly be
> worse than last year.

It could be. But probably not. They appear to have upgraded some key
spots. Just about every journalist who covers them agrees.

It's preseason, junior.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 2:46 pm
From: buRford


On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:30:28 -0400, "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Johnny Morongo" <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote in message
>news:fc0b7d2f-a25c-485c-a405-f5d34bb81df1@g6g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> Seems that along with the news about Pace, the Jets also announced the
>> release of Audrae Allison, and I guy that I have liked, albeit from
>> afar, Marcus Henry. Although not the fastest, he is tall, has long
>> arms and every time I've heard or read anything about him it was to
>> say that he had made a catch. Basically, the same is true of
>> Allison. And I think they are both out of PS options (as is Woodhead,
>> also an "I think"). Now, I'm not Ryan, Ellard or Shcott (and they know
>> their players far better than I), but those attributes suggest that he
>> might at least be considered for a look-see by many other teams,
>> familiar or not. Wanna bet that at least one of the three doesn't
>> wind up elsewhere? Say with the Bills, Fins, Pats, Ravens, or even
>> Browns?
>>
>> I don't like this.
>
>
>Neither do I...and I think in the latest episode of Hard Knocks Rex gave it
>away...."We don't have enough good football players."
>


But Drew Coleman's still here... and with the release of these guys, looks like Clowney
may be staying.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 2:47 pm
From: buRford


On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:12:39 -0700 (PDT), Johnny Morongo
<j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:

>Seems that along with the news about Pace, the Jets also announced the
>release of Audrae Allison, and I guy that I have liked, albeit from
>afar, Marcus Henry. Although not the fastest, he is tall, has long
>arms and every time I've heard or read anything about him it was to
>say that he had made a catch. Basically, the same is true of
>Allison. And I think they are both out of PS options (as is Woodhead,
>also an "I think"). Now, I'm not Ryan, Ellard or Shcott (and they know
>their players far better than I), but those attributes suggest that he
>might at least be considered for a look-see by many other teams,
>familiar or not. Wanna bet that at least one of the three doesn't
>wind up elsewhere? Say with the Bills, Fins, Pats, Ravens, or even
>Browns?
>
>I don't like this.

Yeah, I kinda liked Henry, too. And with how few players we've been drafting, I'm always
partial to them ;)

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TOPIC: pet Jets twitter: Coles, Allison, Marcus henry, Wright cut
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 2:50 pm
From: buRford


On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:09:32 -0700 (PDT), Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Coles must be done physically. Too bad. Hope the prganization can
>keep him in some coaching capacity one day. Looks like the Clown man
>will make the team. meh.

I think Coles was more a money thing, so his salary wasn't guaranteed (something like if a
players is on the opening day roster, his salary is guaranteed).
He's looked fine to me, in his limited action... he also said recently, he's been happy
that he still has something left.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 3:54 pm
From: "\(¯`·.¸®avNsfan®¸.·´¯\)"

"Ernie" <Ernietoo@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:i5ecf5$o2p$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> If I could only express to others how to remove my anal and pubic hair
> then I may be believed.* Ernie
>
> *without using the "buddy system."
>
I shaved my taint with a soda can pop top in San Fran at the festival. Udder
balm helped cure the rash.

the real Drew ~
RävNsfän ® (not the trashy fake)

"...I'm sending him to the kill file,
I suggest the rest of you do the same".
alt.sports.football.pro.pitt-steelers
*Strickland* - April 15, 2009

"...I guess I'll go back to my previous habit
of just ignoring your posts..."
alt.sports.football.pro.pitt-steelers
*Rocky*(the nutless squirrel) - Feb 23, 2010


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 4:03 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On Aug 28, 12:43 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo" <j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5f354fee-98ca-4a34-824b-b9f980a19f44@x20g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 28, 10:03 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Coach Lon" <coach...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:3372918d-d776-41d4-a4ea-a6859673ada6@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 27, 7:45 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote in message
>
> > >news:XO-dnWOVlPIqi-XRnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > > > Harlan Lachman wrote:
> > > >> In article <XO-dnWGVlPIMmOXRnZ2dnUVZ_hqdn...@giganews.com>,
> > > >> MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
> > > >>> Coach Lon wrote:
> > > >>>> On Aug 27, 1:16 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>> Q: What are the contractual consequences if Darrelle Revis holds
> > > >>>>> out
> > > >>>>> an
> > > >>>>> entire season? Does he ever stop accumulating fines? I read that
> > > >>>>> he
> > > >>>>> has
> > > >>>>> already lost a year of service and changed his guaranteed money to
> > > >>>>> non-guaranteed. What other consequences would he face over the
> > > >>>>> course
> > > >>>>> of
> > > >>>>> the season? Entering a year with no CBA?
> > > >>>>> -- Jon (Boston)
>
> > > >>>>> A: Jon, we can discuss all the penalties and fines we want. But
> > > >>>>> Revis
> > > >>>>> believes that the New York Jets, or somebody else, are going to
> > > >>>>> give
> > > >>>>> him
> > > >>>>> such a monstrous deal that it is going to completely nullify all
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>> fines and penalties he is now racking up by sitting out. Think
> > > >>>>> about
> > > >>>>> it:
> > > >>>>> If he had $2 million worth of fines from not playing this
> > > >>>>> season --
> > > >>>>> or
> > > >>>>> whatever number you want -- and he signed a $120 million contract
> > > >>>>> at
> > > >>>>> some point in the future, would those fines matter much? Not
> > > >>>>> really.
> > > >>>>> That's what Revis is now banking on -- that his deal will be so
> > > >>>>> large
> > > >>>>> that it gives him the time and leverage he needs right now.
>
> > > >>>>> ------
> > > >>>>> Clearly Adam S is correct in assessing the reasons for Revis'
> > > >>>>> behavior.
>
> > > >>>>> The only way to avoid other players using this approach is to not
> > > >>>>> reward
> > > >>>>> him for his selfish, trying to hold the team hostage behavior.
>
> > > >>>>> If one thinks about it, with three years left on his contract at a
> > > >>>>> very
> > > >>>>> affordable $21 million dollars, Revis has no leverage unless the
> > > >>>>> Jets
> > > >>>>> give it to him.
>
> > > >>>>> Some teams trade such players (although I don't remember a player
> > > >>>>> of
> > > >>>>> Revis' caliber getting traded with three years left on his
> > > >>>>> contract).
> > > >>>>> But, it is unlikely that any team will pay Revis Qb money and give
> > > >>>>> us
> > > >>>>> two number ones.
>
> > > >>>>> Why would anyone trade him for less?
>
> > > >>>>> Once again, I hope Revis retires as a Jet. Either after his
> > > >>>>> previous
> > > >>>>> three seasons or after a reasonable contract that does not hurt
> > > >>>>> our
> > > >>>>> team
> > > >>>>> from a salary cap perspective or precedent setting perspective
> > > >>>>> (i.e.,
> > > >>>>> rewarding his ignoring his obligation to his team and teammates).
>
> > > >>>>> But I don't want him getting anything what he wants.
> > > >>>> I agree 100%. Revis should have accepted the deal as presented a
> > > >>>> couple of weeks ago, making him a Jet for life. I still feel he
> > > >>>> will
> > > >>>> come along and agree to the deal as presented, and join the team
> > > >>>> before the end of the pre-season. However, he will never recoup the
> > > >>>> money lost during this holdout, if it lasts a year or more. Even if
> > > >>>> he gets the mega deal he thinks he's entitled to (which he won't),
> > > >>>> that money will be lost and gone forever. Based on how most all
> > > >>>> professional athletes handle their finances (8 in 10 go bankrupt),
> > > >>>> I
> > > >>>> don't think Revis should sneeze at losing $2M. He really might need
> > > >>>> it. I don't buy into this Revis had leverage argument either.
> > > >>>> Simply, the Jets (or any other team) will not pay the ransom he is
> > > >>>> demanding. Make the deal Darrelle, and stop fooling yourself-you're
> > > >>>> not getting QB money.
>
> > > >>> If I was Revis, I'd be negotiating right now to lop off year 6. The
> > > >>> Jets might go for that, then he only has to wait 2 years for free
> > > >>> agency.
>
> > > >>> Anyway, I'd bet any amount of money that the primary motivator for
> > > >>> these
> > > >>> guys who hold out comes from tampering. There's no doubt in my mind
> > > >>> that teams tamper (some have been caught). He's probably looking at
> > > >>> a
> > > >>> big payday promised to him by some unnamed team. This may be his
> > > >>> reference point.
>
> > > >> Mark, if he opted to pay his fines and play for the $1 mil next year
> > > >> something like $5 mil next year he is signed for, then I would add a
> > > >> performance end to the third year, contingent on showing up at
> > > >> voluntary
> > > >> and mandatory OTAs, no behavior problems on or off the field (as
> > > >> determined by an arbiter).
>
> > > >> But, this pig wants $16 mil per now. He denies he is bound by the
> > > >> contract he and his agent negotiated.
>
> > > >> No way he trades good behavior for a year off his deal - especially
> > > >> when
> > > >> the year that comes off can be a $15 million per payday.
>
> > > >> IOW, never happen.
>
> > > >> It would be nuts to both pay him big bucks and shave a year off. The
> > > >> guy
> > > >> is under contract. harlan
>
> > > > Yup. Seems like he's really taking the hard line here. If he's
> > > > unwilling
> > > > to meet in the middle and get something -- ANYTHING -- out of it, then
> > > > he
> > > > must be somewhat confident that the Jets will buckle. We'll soon find
> > > > out
> > > > if his prediction is correct.
>
> > > > Maybe I'm giving him too much credit though. Maybe he's not thinking
> > > > things through. I still don't understand why he already showed up to
> > > > minicamp or whatever and then decided halfway through he didn't want
> > > > to
> > > > be
> > > > there. Doesn't seem like he has his act together. Look at someone like
> > > > Vincent Jackson or Logan Mankins, and those guys had a plan early on
> > > > and
> > > > they've stuck to it. Revis has turned things into a media sideshow in
> > > > comparison.
>
> > > First...I completely agree that the Jets should hold him to his
> > > contract...only give him what they already offered. He is a selfish,
> > > greedy
> > > pig...I don't care how freakin good he is...he will forever be a cancer
> > > to
> > > any team process at some point, even when he looks like he is "back in
> > > the
> > > fold"...guys who think like this can come around when they want
> > > something...but they can never be trusted.
>
> > > Second...I think Mark makes a good point...to me anyway, his behavior
> > > and
> > > motivation seems to have been fuled by some incentives beyond his poor
> > > business acumen...somebody is telling him they will give him what he
> > > wants
> > > and all he has to do is get traded or get out of his deal with the
> > > Jets....he probably thought he'd somehow use that bs as a tool to hold
> > > the
> > > Jets hostage, and may now be realizing he can't use the "secret"
> > > "tampering"
> > > promises.
>
> > > These guys, along with the luxury box mentality have killed what was
> > > once
> > > a
> > > good game. If you want a good read check out "Football In America" by
> > > Sal
> > > Palantonio
>
> > I'll check that out Papa...thanks.
>
> > Hey, I just looked at the corner of my desk and realized I screwed the
> > title
> > up...it's "How Football Explains America"....
> > here's a clip about ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F0W15oqQ_A
>
> Thanks for the link Carl.  Time well spent.
>
> You are quite welcome.  Several years ago I became very interested in this
> topic.  You can look at the growth of football and it mirrors the course of
> social change in the country.  The history if fascinating too.  How many
> folks do you think know why it's called a grid iron?

Not me! Do tell?


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:30 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Johnny Morongo" <j.mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote in message
news:3e6f9df4-92b5-40c0-bd0a-23128907d965@u31g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 28, 12:43 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo" <j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5f354fee-98ca-4a34-824b-b9f980a19f44@x20g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 28, 10:03 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Coach Lon" <coach...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:3372918d-d776-41d4-a4ea-a6859673ada6@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 27, 7:45 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote in message
>
> > >news:XO-dnWOVlPIqi-XRnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > > > Harlan Lachman wrote:
> > > >> In article <XO-dnWGVlPIMmOXRnZ2dnUVZ_hqdn...@giganews.com>,
> > > >> MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
> > > >>> Coach Lon wrote:
> > > >>>> On Aug 27, 1:16 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>> Q: What are the contractual consequences if Darrelle Revis holds
> > > >>>>> out
> > > >>>>> an
> > > >>>>> entire season? Does he ever stop accumulating fines? I read that
> > > >>>>> he
> > > >>>>> has
> > > >>>>> already lost a year of service and changed his guaranteed money
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>>> non-guaranteed. What other consequences would he face over the
> > > >>>>> course
> > > >>>>> of
> > > >>>>> the season? Entering a year with no CBA?
> > > >>>>> -- Jon (Boston)
>
> > > >>>>> A: Jon, we can discuss all the penalties and fines we want. But
> > > >>>>> Revis
> > > >>>>> believes that the New York Jets, or somebody else, are going to
> > > >>>>> give
> > > >>>>> him
> > > >>>>> such a monstrous deal that it is going to completely nullify all
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>> fines and penalties he is now racking up by sitting out. Think
> > > >>>>> about
> > > >>>>> it:
> > > >>>>> If he had $2 million worth of fines from not playing this
> > > >>>>> season --
> > > >>>>> or
> > > >>>>> whatever number you want -- and he signed a $120 million
> > > >>>>> contract
> > > >>>>> at
> > > >>>>> some point in the future, would those fines matter much? Not
> > > >>>>> really.
> > > >>>>> That's what Revis is now banking on -- that his deal will be so
> > > >>>>> large
> > > >>>>> that it gives him the time and leverage he needs right now.
>
> > > >>>>> ------
> > > >>>>> Clearly Adam S is correct in assessing the reasons for Revis'
> > > >>>>> behavior.
>
> > > >>>>> The only way to avoid other players using this approach is to
> > > >>>>> not
> > > >>>>> reward
> > > >>>>> him for his selfish, trying to hold the team hostage behavior.
>
> > > >>>>> If one thinks about it, with three years left on his contract at
> > > >>>>> a
> > > >>>>> very
> > > >>>>> affordable $21 million dollars, Revis has no leverage unless the
> > > >>>>> Jets
> > > >>>>> give it to him.
>
> > > >>>>> Some teams trade such players (although I don't remember a
> > > >>>>> player
> > > >>>>> of
> > > >>>>> Revis' caliber getting traded with three years left on his
> > > >>>>> contract).
> > > >>>>> But, it is unlikely that any team will pay Revis Qb money and
> > > >>>>> give
> > > >>>>> us
> > > >>>>> two number ones.
>
> > > >>>>> Why would anyone trade him for less?
>
> > > >>>>> Once again, I hope Revis retires as a Jet. Either after his
> > > >>>>> previous
> > > >>>>> three seasons or after a reasonable contract that does not hurt
> > > >>>>> our
> > > >>>>> team
> > > >>>>> from a salary cap perspective or precedent setting perspective
> > > >>>>> (i.e.,
> > > >>>>> rewarding his ignoring his obligation to his team and
> > > >>>>> teammates).
>
> > > >>>>> But I don't want him getting anything what he wants.
> > > >>>> I agree 100%. Revis should have accepted the deal as presented a
> > > >>>> couple of weeks ago, making him a Jet for life. I still feel he
> > > >>>> will
> > > >>>> come along and agree to the deal as presented, and join the team
> > > >>>> before the end of the pre-season. However, he will never recoup
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>> money lost during this holdout, if it lasts a year or more. Even
> > > >>>> if
> > > >>>> he gets the mega deal he thinks he's entitled to (which he
> > > >>>> won't),
> > > >>>> that money will be lost and gone forever. Based on how most all
> > > >>>> professional athletes handle their finances (8 in 10 go
> > > >>>> bankrupt),
> > > >>>> I
> > > >>>> don't think Revis should sneeze at losing $2M. He really might
> > > >>>> need
> > > >>>> it. I don't buy into this Revis had leverage argument either.
> > > >>>> Simply, the Jets (or any other team) will not pay the ransom he
> > > >>>> is
> > > >>>> demanding. Make the deal Darrelle, and stop fooling
> > > >>>> yourself-you're
> > > >>>> not getting QB money.
>
> > > >>> If I was Revis, I'd be negotiating right now to lop off year 6.
> > > >>> The
> > > >>> Jets might go for that, then he only has to wait 2 years for free
> > > >>> agency.
>
> > > >>> Anyway, I'd bet any amount of money that the primary motivator for
> > > >>> these
> > > >>> guys who hold out comes from tampering. There's no doubt in my
> > > >>> mind
> > > >>> that teams tamper (some have been caught). He's probably looking
> > > >>> at
> > > >>> a
> > > >>> big payday promised to him by some unnamed team. This may be his
> > > >>> reference point.
>
> > > >> Mark, if he opted to pay his fines and play for the $1 mil next
> > > >> year
> > > >> something like $5 mil next year he is signed for, then I would add
> > > >> a
> > > >> performance end to the third year, contingent on showing up at
> > > >> voluntary
> > > >> and mandatory OTAs, no behavior problems on or off the field (as
> > > >> determined by an arbiter).
>
> > > >> But, this pig wants $16 mil per now. He denies he is bound by the
> > > >> contract he and his agent negotiated.
>
> > > >> No way he trades good behavior for a year off his deal - especially
> > > >> when
> > > >> the year that comes off can be a $15 million per payday.
>
> > > >> IOW, never happen.
>
> > > >> It would be nuts to both pay him big bucks and shave a year off.
> > > >> The
> > > >> guy
> > > >> is under contract. harlan
>
> > > > Yup. Seems like he's really taking the hard line here. If he's
> > > > unwilling
> > > > to meet in the middle and get something -- ANYTHING -- out of it,
> > > > then
> > > > he
> > > > must be somewhat confident that the Jets will buckle. We'll soon
> > > > find
> > > > out
> > > > if his prediction is correct.
>
> > > > Maybe I'm giving him too much credit though. Maybe he's not thinking
> > > > things through. I still don't understand why he already showed up to
> > > > minicamp or whatever and then decided halfway through he didn't want
> > > > to
> > > > be
> > > > there. Doesn't seem like he has his act together. Look at someone
> > > > like
> > > > Vincent Jackson or Logan Mankins, and those guys had a plan early on
> > > > and
> > > > they've stuck to it. Revis has turned things into a media sideshow
> > > > in
> > > > comparison.
>
> > > First...I completely agree that the Jets should hold him to his
> > > contract...only give him what they already offered. He is a selfish,
> > > greedy
> > > pig...I don't care how freakin good he is...he will forever be a
> > > cancer
> > > to
> > > any team process at some point, even when he looks like he is "back in
> > > the
> > > fold"...guys who think like this can come around when they want
> > > something...but they can never be trusted.
>
> > > Second...I think Mark makes a good point...to me anyway, his behavior
> > > and
> > > motivation seems to have been fuled by some incentives beyond his poor
> > > business acumen...somebody is telling him they will give him what he
> > > wants
> > > and all he has to do is get traded or get out of his deal with the
> > > Jets....he probably thought he'd somehow use that bs as a tool to hold
> > > the
> > > Jets hostage, and may now be realizing he can't use the "secret"
> > > "tampering"
> > > promises.
>
> > > These guys, along with the luxury box mentality have killed what was
> > > once
> > > a
> > > good game. If you want a good read check out "Football In America" by
> > > Sal
> > > Palantonio
>
> > I'll check that out Papa...thanks.
>
> > Hey, I just looked at the corner of my desk and realized I screwed the
> > title
> > up...it's "How Football Explains America"....
> > here's a clip about ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F0W15oqQ_A
>
> Thanks for the link Carl. Time well spent.
>
> You are quite welcome. Several years ago I became very interested in this
> topic. You can look at the growth of football and it mirrors the course of
> social change in the country. The history if fascinating too. How many
> folks do you think know why it's called a grid iron?

Not me! Do tell?

Iron workers and steel workers would play the game...they were building
stuff that and the field looked the same way, a grid. After they allowed
the forward pass some thought it was too easy a way to advance the ball, so
they added vertical lines along with the 5 yard horizontal ones...that made
it a real grid.....you could only pass the ball to an adjacent box on the
grid. I read this stuff quite a few years ago when I got to use the library
at Princeton U. That was not why I was there, but it did fill some
interesting time.

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TOPIC: Pace out for six weeks
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:47 pm
From: JetsLife


On Aug 29, 11:13 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2010-08-29/jets-calvin-pace-rep...
>
> does that mean gholston goes back to olb ??? or may be the grab ad ???

Regardless it's a tremendous loss. He's our best pass rusher.
Hopefully it's a blessing in disguise and JT can make some noise.

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TOPIC: Will Revis Ever Line Up for the Jets Again?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/37d6f52574390f7e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 29 2010 9:34 pm
From: JetsLife


I don't think so.

It appears Jets management and his side are done with each other.

All Revis cares about is $. That's his siren call. I don't blame him.
$ is often than sex.

The Jets cannot, nor ever will, cave to any one player.

Oh well. At least we have Wilson. Cromartie has been just okay.


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