Tuesday, August 31, 2010

rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Steve Johnson blocks LA news feeds about doping - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c9ae12bb60c2ed9b?hl=en
* Thor to Garmin confirmed - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/58698e37842cff1d?hl=en
* Fatty Masters National Championships in Frisco this week - 4 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/29dcebe0940ad055?hl=en
* There's only one way to settle this... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/20b909a8fe3b5dc0?hl=en
* Brian Lafferty hates helmets and Andre Jute thinks that Lance Armstrong is
clean - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/faa2f056f1a6d435?hl=en
* was machen ohne geld , um schnell an geld , internet schnell viel geld ,
schnell geld her , schnelles geld im internet , kann man leicht geld verdienen
, internet leicht geld verdienen , wo kann ich leicht geld gewinnen , * * * +++
SOFORT GEWINN - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/28ac2d929b81f48b?hl=en
* On the constant malice of the petty scum on RBT - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a746b5e89789c921?hl=en
* No to Kosher Nostra, Palin ! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0c130418e767ca08?hl=en
* What happened to Andy Schleck today? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e2b64d3e7358c084?hl=en
* before you rip into me.. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8746dcc03efbbaa5?hl=en
* Fignon Passes - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c99538b65106857d?hl=en
* Laurent Fignon in pictures - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9fec60eefeaf535a?hl=en

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TOPIC: Steve Johnson blocks LA news feeds about doping
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c9ae12bb60c2ed9b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 1:24 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Lisa was one of the breast of the USCF scoundrels for many years.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:10 pm
From: BLafferty


On 8/31/2010 2:29 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> On 8/31/2010 1:17 PM, Magilla Gorilla wrote:
>> http://www.usacycling.org
>>
>>
>> I like how USA Cycling blocked all news feeds of Lance and doping.
>> That's what happens when the CEO (Steve Johnson) is in love with Lance.
>>
>> Magilla
>>
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Just like Lisa Voight, Steve Johnson does what he's told. The USAC
> CEO is hardly irreplaceable. If Lisa had complained about any of
> the clearly unethical activities that took place under her watch
> she'd have been replaced and someone else would have made six
> figures to do what they were told. Johnson is in the same comfortable
> boat.
>
> If you are going to bitch about USAC it isn't like there is a
> shortage of more relevant topics.
>
> Fred Flintstein

I'll bet Thom Weisel told him to block the information


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 6:52 pm
From: Magilla Gorilla


BLafferty wrote:

> On 8/31/2010 2:29 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> > On 8/31/2010 1:17 PM, Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> >> http://www.usacycling.org
> >>
> >>
> >> I like how USA Cycling blocked all news feeds of Lance and doping.
> >> That's what happens when the CEO (Steve Johnson) is in love with Lance.
> >>
> >> Magilla
> >>
> >
> > Dumbass,
> >
> > Just like Lisa Voight, Steve Johnson does what he's told. The USAC
> > CEO is hardly irreplaceable. If Lisa had complained about any of
> > the clearly unethical activities that took place under her watch
> > she'd have been replaced and someone else would have made six
> > figures to do what they were told. Johnson is in the same comfortable
> > boat.
> >
> > If you are going to bitch about USAC it isn't like there is a
> > shortage of more relevant topics.
> >
> > Fred Flintstein
>
> I'll bet Thom Weisel told him to block the information

Weisel = weasel


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TOPIC: Thor to Garmin confirmed
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/58698e37842cff1d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 1:27 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 8/31/2010 3:11 PM, Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> LawBoy01 wrote:
>
>> On Aug 30, 11:40 pm, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 30, 9:08 pm, bar<barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> along with several other Cervelo riders ... what does this mean for
>>>> Farrar, CVV, and jelly belly?
>>>
>>>> is Garmin big enough to support both a European team and a domestic US
>>>> squad?
>>>
>>> Why would you assume this would affect Farrar? As was pointed out in
>>> at least one article, he has soundly beaten Hushovd in virtually
>>> sprint they've contested against each other.
>>
>> What does Thor think about being second sprinter fiddle to Tyler?
>
> Dumbass...Thor won the green jersey multiple times. Tyler has never won it.
> All Tyler does is win 2nd rate one-day races and then spend the rest of the
> season explaining why he got second to the GEICO Caveman.
>
> Magilla
>

Dumbass,

Thor ain't gonna win the green jersey again. He got spanked this year
and next year he'll be 33. Farrar is six years younger, and sprinter
years are like dog years. That may as well be a century.

Just as Zabel how that works, he'll tell you.

Fred Flintstein


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 7:15 pm
From: Magilla Gorilla


Fred Flintstein wrote:

> On 8/31/2010 3:11 PM, Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> > LawBoy01 wrote:
> >
> >> On Aug 30, 11:40 pm, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Aug 30, 9:08 pm, bar<barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> along with several other Cervelo riders ... what does this mean for
> >>>> Farrar, CVV, and jelly belly?
> >>>
> >>>> is Garmin big enough to support both a European team and a domestic US
> >>>> squad?
> >>>
> >>> Why would you assume this would affect Farrar? As was pointed out in
> >>> at least one article, he has soundly beaten Hushovd in virtually
> >>> sprint they've contested against each other.
> >>
> >> What does Thor think about being second sprinter fiddle to Tyler?
> >
> > Dumbass...Thor won the green jersey multiple times. Tyler has never won it.
> > All Tyler does is win 2nd rate one-day races and then spend the rest of the
> > season explaining why he got second to the GEICO Caveman.
> >
> > Magilla
> >
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Thor ain't gonna win the green jersey again. He got spanked this year
> and next year he'll be 33. Farrar is six years younger, and sprinter
> years are like dog years. That may as well be a century.
>
> Just as Zabel how that works, he'll tell you.
>
> Fred Flintstein

Any team who goes to the Tour with green jersey aspirations means they are
sabotaging their GC chances with what is a fucking gay goal. Vaughters really
ain't that bright after all with his little Drew Carry look because winning the
green jersey is a fucking meaningless accomplishment.

There's only 1 winner in the Tour de France, not 28. Cycling is the only sport
that tries to confuse fans by having all these assholes like Voekler on the
podium when they won nothing but a statistic. If you let the UCI take over
baseball, they would have a fucking podium presentation after every inning.

This whole sport is so fucked up - so gay - that the only thing I hope for is a
huge fucking asteroid just craters Aigle, Switzerland.

Magilla


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TOPIC: Fatty Masters National Championships in Frisco this week
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/29dcebe0940ad055?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 1:28 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Sad to say I will be out of town and missing all of the slow-motion
action. Maybe someone will break 5 minutes in the pursuit and make
the evening news (the 3k pursuit ! )


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:08 pm
From: LawBoy01


On Aug 31, 3:28 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sad to say I will be out of town and missing all of the slow-motion
> action.  Maybe someone will break 5 minutes in the pursuit and make
> the evening news  (the 3k pursuit !  )

I went out there tonight and watched some of the warm-ups for the
races this week. Not much to see. Rumor has it that Carl Sundquist
is gonna make it down from Arkansas to race on Sunday.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:16 pm
From: Phil H


On Aug 31, 5:08 pm, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
> On Aug 31, 3:28 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Sad to say I will be out of town and missing all of the slow-motion
> > action.  Maybe someone will break 5 minutes in the pursuit and make
> > the evening news  (the 3k pursuit !  )
>
> I went out there tonight and watched some of the warm-ups for the
> races this week.  Not much to see.  Rumor has it that Carl Sundquist
> is gonna make it down from Arkansas to race on Sunday.

It's hot, windy and humid and the track is kinda slow. Oh well, it's
the same for everyone. I'll try to break 3 minutes for the 2k.

Phil H


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:23 pm
From: LawBoy01


On Aug 31, 7:16 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 31, 5:08 pm, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 31, 3:28 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Sad to say I will be out of town and missing all of the slow-motion
> > > action.  Maybe someone will break 5 minutes in the pursuit and make
> > > the evening news  (the 3k pursuit !  )
>
> > I went out there tonight and watched some of the warm-ups for the
> > races this week.  Not much to see.  Rumor has it that Carl Sundquist
> > is gonna make it down from Arkansas to race on Sunday.
>
> It's hot, windy and humid and the track is kinda slow. Oh well, it's
> the same for everyone. I'll try to break 3 minutes for the 2k.
>
> Phil H

If you're in from out of town, send me an email and your welcome to
come over for dinner this week.


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TOPIC: There's only one way to settle this...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/20b909a8fe3b5dc0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 1:34 pm
From: Anton Berlin

> > CAGE MATCH! Between Lafferty and Andre Jute! Two things enter, one thing
> > leaves!


I'll take care of this.

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TOPIC: Brian Lafferty hates helmets and Andre Jute thinks that Lance Armstrong
is clean
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/faa2f056f1a6d435?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 1:36 pm
From: Anton Berlin


Now you fuckers go somewhere offline and settle this once and for all.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:11 pm
From: BLafferty


On 8/31/2010 4:36 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> Now you fuckers go somewhere offline and settle this once and for all.
>
Dude, I love my Giro helmet.

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TOPIC: was machen ohne geld , um schnell an geld , internet schnell viel geld ,
schnell geld her , schnelles geld im internet , kann man leicht geld
verdienen , internet leicht geld verdienen , wo kann ich leicht geld gewinnen ,
* * * +++ SOFORT GEWINN
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/28ac2d929b81f48b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:15 pm
From: Cambodia camtourism


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TOPIC: On the constant malice of the petty scum on RBT
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a746b5e89789c921?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:28 pm
From: Andre Jute


On Aug 31, 9:23 pm, "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > There's something else important about the Mac that isn't often
> > mentioned. Anyone who has been conscientious about transferring his
> > data as new storage media appeared has lost *nothing*. Can any PC/
> > Microsoft user truly say that? More: I can search thirty-year-old data
> > from my desktop and it hardly ever needs work, and then just a little,
> > to make it presentable. Who can say that in the PC/Microsoft world?
>
> Yes, I can say that. This XP boot image was installed in Jan, 2001, making
> it this moment a few months short of it's 10th birthday.

So you can't really say that your OS vendor has protected your data
integrity for 30 years, can you? Ten years is a looooong way short of
30 years.

Andre Jute
There are lies, damned statistics, and Apple WYSIWYG -- except that
all other wysiwygs are worse

> It had since been
> through two major hardware upgrades, the most recent 4 long years ago,
> including motherboards and processors, and seen 3 whole generations of board
> and bus architectures. Whole disk drives have come and gone, as has a small
> pile of now dead keyboards and mice, and still the original XP installation
> remains. It was cloned to its current home on a 1.5 TB SATA drive when the
> original Seagate drive started to fail 3 years ago. Through it all, it has
> never been burdened with the viral anti-virus software. The occasional
> cleanups were accomplished easily using simple tools. It is my main desktop,
> serving as a development workstation by day, at one point as much as 18
> hours a day, and in the past, also hosted some very performance intensive
> games by night. It is typically powered and connected to the web up to 20
> hours each day, every day of every year of its long service. As for 30
> years, no, I can't quite say that. The oldest harddrive in the deadwood pile
> dates back to 1987. It was retired for its uselessly small capacity rather
> than failure, although its 20 MB was pretty big once upon a time. I can
> actually plug it into today's hardware if I so wanted. The old ATA
> interfaces are still available on today's systems.
>
> While I have nothing against Macs, I find nothing at all notable or
> compelling about them, except now and again the very occasional oddity of
> finding one or two in roles now utterly dominated by Microsoft and Windows
> only points out their obscurity. I have little also to say about Linux. My
> bug fix to an obscure TCP buffering problem in the very early 2.something
> kernels, about 1997, likely are no longer even in the distributions. These
> days, I run a Ubuntu distro on a VPC on this self same XP work horse rather
> than devote a separate box. I've always found them less than suitable as
> desktop workstations. The GUIs typically sucked a full core just updating
> the display, as recently as 2007 when I last tried. Granted, it could easily
> have just been the crap driver support for the (absolutely unremarkable and
> unobscure) Nvidia. I find it much more usable as a headless server, even in
> a virtual machine, serving up remote terminals hosted on the Windows
> desktop.
>
> As for longevity, stability, compatibility, and security, gimme a bleepin'
> break. Apple's main claim to fame is continually leading the market with
> glitzy products and promising technologies, often well ahead of their time,
> and unfortunately, always it seems before the underlying technologies they
> represent were ready. I have a like new Newton II still floating around, at
> first waiting for relevance, and then retired as a novelty still unused when
> that relevance soon came and swallowed it whole. I'd give you the full list,
> but that would only bring me anguish to have to revisit that inventory. And
> Linux? What can I say? It's most notable for the underground roots that it
> still represents to this day, and is the collective sum of contributions
> from some very talented (and some less talented) minds as they passed
> through on their ways to their real lives and callings. That's Linux,
> initially aspiring to no more than simply existing as an alternative, and in
> maturity achieved that and little more. One might call that the definition
> of mediocrity, but I don't in truth hold that dismal view.
>
> And what about Windows, then? Windows had Dave Cutler, and Microsoft's deep
> pockets, a visionary genius and the means to bring his vision to fruition.
> Twenty plus years later, Cutler's NT architecture still defines the Windows
> kernel. Nobody *loves* Windows, and in some circles, it's chic to hate and
> disparage it. <Shrug> Said the bearded guy: I don't always drink beer, but I
> do, I prefer Dos Equis. (No, that isn't supposed to make any sense. I just
> tired of the thought and the drudgery of typing it.)

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 4:32 pm
From: "MikeWhy"


Andre Jute wrote:
> On Aug 31, 9:23 pm, "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Andre Jute wrote:
>>> There's something else important about the Mac that isn't often
>>> mentioned. Anyone who has been conscientious about transferring his
>>> data as new storage media appeared has lost *nothing*. Can any PC/
>>> Microsoft user truly say that? More: I can search thirty-year-old
>>> data from my desktop and it hardly ever needs work, and then just a
>>> little, to make it presentable. Who can say that in the
>>> PC/Microsoft world?
>>
>> Yes, I can say that. This XP boot image was installed in Jan, 2001,
>> making it this moment a few months short of it's 10th birthday.
>
> So you can't really say that your OS vendor has protected your data
> integrity for 30 years, can you? Ten years is a looooong way short of
> 30 years.

I have some old tapes and disks from the old C64, but I'm thinking that's
still a year or two too young. Gawd. What a pack rat you must be. ;)


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 4:51 pm
From: Andre Jute


On Sep 1, 12:32 am, "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Aug 31, 9:23 pm, "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Andre Jute wrote:
> >>> There's something else important about the Mac that isn't often
> >>> mentioned. Anyone who has been conscientious about transferring his
> >>> data as new storage media appeared has lost *nothing*. Can any PC/
> >>> Microsoft user truly say that? More: I can search thirty-year-old
> >>> data from my desktop and it hardly ever needs work, and then just a
> >>> little, to make it presentable. Who can say that in the
> >>> PC/Microsoft world?
>
> >> Yes, I can say that. This XP boot image was installed in Jan, 2001,
> >> making it this moment a few months short of it's 10th birthday.
>
> > So you can't really say that your OS vendor has protected your data
> > integrity for 30 years, can you? Ten years is a looooong way short of
> > 30 years.
>
> I have some old tapes and disks from the old C64, but I'm thinking that's
> still a year or two too young. Gawd. What a pack rat you must be. ;)

I raise you some microcassettes from an Epson PX8 laptop (called an
Epson Paris in the States)...In fact, you can still get those
microcassettes as they're a current standard in Olympus and other
microrecorders.

Andre Jute
Gawd, what did I do with those magnetic strips we used to feed the
Olivetti Programma 101, the first desktop computer (c1968)?


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:33 pm
From: AMuzi


MikeWhy wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
>> On Aug 31, 9:23 pm, "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Andre Jute wrote:
>>>> There's something else important about the Mac that isn't often
>>>> mentioned. Anyone who has been conscientious about transferring his
>>>> data as new storage media appeared has lost *nothing*. Can any PC/
>>>> Microsoft user truly say that? More: I can search thirty-year-old
>>>> data from my desktop and it hardly ever needs work, and then just a
>>>> little, to make it presentable. Who can say that in the
>>>> PC/Microsoft world?
>>>
>>> Yes, I can say that. This XP boot image was installed in Jan, 2001,
>>> making it this moment a few months short of it's 10th birthday.
>>
>> So you can't really say that your OS vendor has protected your data
>> integrity for 30 years, can you? Ten years is a looooong way short of
>> 30 years.
>
> I have some old tapes and disks from the old C64, but I'm thinking
> that's still a year or two too young. Gawd. What a pack rat you must be. ;)
>
>

Wow. 30 years ago we had to fit the program and the data
all on a 180k disk. Well, until we got the cassette drive,
that is. Such a long time ago!

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:38 pm
From: Dan O


On Aug 31, 5:33 pm, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> MikeWhy wrote:
> > Andre Jute wrote:
> >> On Aug 31, 9:23 pm, "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>> There's something else important about the Mac that isn't often
> >>>> mentioned. Anyone who has been conscientious about transferring his
> >>>> data as new storage media appeared has lost *nothing*. Can any PC/
> >>>> Microsoft user truly say that? More: I can search thirty-year-old
> >>>> data from my desktop and it hardly ever needs work, and then just a
> >>>> little, to make it presentable. Who can say that in the
> >>>> PC/Microsoft world?
>
> >>> Yes, I can say that. This XP boot image was installed in Jan, 2001,
> >>> making it this moment a few months short of it's 10th birthday.
>
> >> So you can't really say that your OS vendor has protected your data
> >> integrity for 30 years, can you? Ten years is a looooong way short of
> >> 30 years.
>
> > I have some old tapes and disks from the old C64, but I'm thinking
> > that's still a year or two too young. Gawd. What a pack rat you must be. ;)
>
> Wow. 30 years ago we had to fit the program and the data
> all on a 180k disk. Well, until we got the cassette drive,
> that is. Such a long time ago!
>

In any case, bits are bits. Unless somebody loses the specification,
open source is always best.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 6:40 pm
From: Andre Jute


On Sep 1, 1:33 am, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> MikeWhy wrote:
> > Andre Jute wrote:
> >> On Aug 31, 9:23 pm, "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>> There's something else important about the Mac that isn't often
> >>>> mentioned. Anyone who has been conscientious about transferring his
> >>>> data as new storage media appeared has lost *nothing*. Can any PC/
> >>>> Microsoft user truly say that? More: I can search thirty-year-old
> >>>> data from my desktop and it hardly ever needs work, and then just a
> >>>> little, to make it presentable. Who can say that in the
> >>>> PC/Microsoft world?
>
> >>> Yes, I can say that. This XP boot image was installed in Jan, 2001,
> >>> making it this moment a few months short of it's 10th birthday.
>
> >> So you can't really say that your OS vendor has protected your data
> >> integrity for 30 years, can you? Ten years is a looooong way short of
> >> 30 years.
>
> > I have some old tapes and disks from the old C64, but I'm thinking
> > that's still a year or two too young. Gawd. What a pack rat you must be. ;)
>
> Wow.  30 years ago we had to fit the program and the data
> all on a 180k disk. Well, until we got the cassette drive,
> that is. Such a long time ago!
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
>   <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>   Open every day since 1 April, 1971

There was a thin bellypan that fitted under the Epson PX8/Paris laptop
that was called a CMOS drive, which contained non-volatile memory in
which one could load programmes and data. c1980. I had one for my PX8s
that outlasted several of the computers, was given to a friend for his
PX8, went to his son, a journalist, was later returned to me, and was
the last bit of the PX8 chain to survive, c1990 when C/PM, the
operating system, wasn't even a memory for most of the new computer-
literates. I took a PX8 into the Arctic Circle; it was the sturdiest
laptop I knew of then or now.-- AJ

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TOPIC: No to Kosher Nostra, Palin !
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:47 pm
From:


No to Kosher Nostra, Palin !

Do we want have VATICAN KOSHER NOSTRA into Congress ???

With Pedophiles too ???

No to Catholic persons, while reigns a secret AntiChtist Alliance
Vatican-Israel !

Boy, Girl, don't vote Jews or Catholic priests, or persons close or united
them !

Jews and Catholic person are working making JOBless ?

Sure !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
================================================

THE ECONOMICAL AND MILITARY CRISIS OF USA


((((( IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SOLVE IT, WITHOUT USING BOMBS )))))


IS THIS, the good ISRAEL's strategy plot ?


==================================================
1° Step of a good plot)
About September 13-15 2001, in Rome, Romano De Simone was talking with
Vittorio Halfon, High Level Jew of international influence, agent of
Israel.
"Your opinion was correct, Romano, were the our AGENTS in NYC
(The WTC's Authors). They are geniuses. Few thousands of dead, for
making many millions dollars, accusing Arabs. Wall Street collapses,
but they it rayse up again."

2° Step of a good plot)
Spreading in hole US the Subprime Loans, and ROBBING the inventions,
this is the SPRINGS OF THE prosperity of America, inclusive SPALIC of

Romano De Simone (www.spalic.com), having dozens utilizations,
from the sanitary until spatial fields.


3° Step of a good plot)
Withdrawing of 500 billion dollars from the US's banks during 2 hours,
at September, 18 2008, for sparking off a global economical crisis
against American Workers, and dominating worldwide.

=================================================
=================================================

With the 11 September 2001, for the first time in the history, a
militar attack BY A LOT OF BOMB, had become a film.


How all the world it has been able to see, the tele-camera to take back the

scene, did'nt be trotting, as when it happens an unexpected event, but
were

well supported on the ground, waiting to arrival of the airplanes, of which

were AWARE only the organizers of the attack, and no-one else on the
world.

But who were these art directors, very very special?

On signaling of a lady, that had seen three men shooting the scene, very
happy

and smiling and for nothing shocked, from a white van, of which she had

taken the plate, the police has verified that:


1) The van was property of an Israeli company : the "Urban Moving System".

2) After detained the van many hours after, had halted the police five mens
among the 22 and the 27 years, which one had in pocket 4700 dollars, that
were able be only the remuneration of the film.

3) The driver of the van was such Sivan Kurzberg, and the other were Paul
Kurzberg, Yaron Samuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari, who resulted all
Israeli citizens.

4) The Jewish daily paper of New York has brought that two mens of them, in
accordance with the FBI, were agents of the Israeli intelligence.

The URBAN MOVING SYSTEM company, owner of the van, it is resulted of
ownership of the Israel state.

The administrator of the URBAN MOVING SYSTEM company, Dominick Otto Suter,
year 1970, whose Social Security Number is 129-78-0926, he escaped in Israel
the same day 11-September-2001.

Three months after the attack at two towers, a troupe of the television net
ABC has shot inside the offices of the URBAN MOVING SYSTEM
company: they appeared deserted in a great hurry, even with objects of
ownership of the customers of company.

The URBAN MOVING SYSTEM company were missing.
It's possible to conclude saying that the responsibility of the attacks at
two towers are not of the Israel government ?.
========================================
========================================

THE COINCIDENCES:
The two falling towers, have been filmed exclusively by hebrews from Israel.
The boss of this group has escaped in Israel, the same day 11 septembers
2001.

The two towers belong to an Hebrew, that had to it demolish, for cause of
asbestos that there was contained.

The unique world organizations, which having the fit structures to organize
this attack, are the freemasonries, which are by exclusively control of
hebrews.

The americans, Jewish and not, at this stage, have the investigating duty,
the going out from the generic and unproved accusations, of terrorism from
Arabic matrix.

A Bin Laden that himself accused, it shows absolutely nothing : he has been
paid to do it.

He has been paid to do spread a planetary war, of America against the arabs,
that serves only to ISRAEL, as the Iraq war.


STRUCK ROMANO DE SIMONE , only because they want STRUCKING any
inventor working for AMERICA = THEY WANT CLOSE ALLLLL SPRINGS of
technolgy and PROSPERITY OF AMERICA.

THEY WANT THE REIGN OF ZIONIST DREAM OVER THE GLOBE.
============================================================


QUESTIONS
How to be possible you believe to a Bin Laden, only because himself accuses,
while the organizers are able to be only the Israeli ART-DIRECTORS
fortuitously discovered, by the police, or their friends ?

Nobody can exclude that Bin Laden is one of this friends of Israel !

NOBODY CAN EXCLUDE BIN LADEN IS UNDER THE MOSSAD'S STRATEGY !!!!!!

Why nobody have the valor to asking the necessary investigating
on Israel and his friends ?

How to be possible it you mines two towers, with thousands of kilos of
explosive, without the helping of owner of two towers ?

WHY THE HALTED ISRAELIS WERE AS HAPPY,
WHILE THEY WERE SEING TO EXPLODE AND COLLAPSE
THE W-T-C TWO TOWERS ?

It needs verify if such they happiness, documented by they-self,
with the photos that they same have done, was connected to the
fact that THEIR WORK HAD MADE VERY WELL, as from same excellent engineers.

PERHAPS TRANSPORTING THE EXPLOSIVE MATERIAL WITH THEIR MINIBUS:
what heavy work !!!!.

In such case they deserves the engineering degree, "ONORIS CAUSA".
=====================================================
But they can ever demonstrate that all these technical conclusions
are false,
and the clear truth is all other things, THE DEAR BOYS !!!

THE ISRAELI BOYS SURELY WILL GIVE AMPLE EXPLICATIONS,
ABOUT THEIR COMPLETE INNOCENCE !!!

Dr. Eng. Romano De Simone,
Consultant of Appeal Court of ROME and
INVENTOR of SPALIC ( www.spalic.com )

SPALIC, COPIED BY

Bionomic Industries Inc, from NJ
FBI, where are you ?

Italian Mechanical Engineer of 64 - ROME - ITALY
+39-339-6109258

================================================

Unemployment ? Bomb Israel !


September, 11 2001 Attacks ?
Withdrawals 500 billions $ of September 18 2008 ?
Subprime loans ?
Crisis ?,
Fires in California ?
Black tide of Gulf ?
The overcosts of the Hospitals ?

A VERY " SATANIC OPUS "

BETWEEN VATICAN AND ISRAEL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(And secretly also RUSSIA)

One only solution !

To Bomb Israel !
To eliminate the Zionist Tyranny !!!
================================
Any Jew citizen of US must do a step back, IF ARE HONEST !!!!!!!!

Till When, Jews, we must bear All These Crimes ?????

Let Leave FREE the Senate of US of AMERICA !!!

Cicerus

"QUOUSQUE TANDEM, CATILINA, ABUTERE PATIENTIAE NOSTRAE ???"
============================================================

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ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!


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TOPIC: What happened to Andy Schleck today?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 3:44 pm
From: "rick-paulos@uiowa.edu"


I see Frank lost another 39 seconds today. Looks like Frank as team
leader is going to backfire.


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TOPIC: before you rip into me..
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 6:13 pm
From: Cicero Venatio


Didn't Fignon himself blame the performance enhancing drugs for his
cancer? I'll bet a lot of cyclists will lose some sleep tonight,
wondering if they'll be next.

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TOPIC: Fignon Passes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c99538b65106857d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 6:25 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Aug 31, 1:16 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 8/31/2010 2:15 PM, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
> > On Aug 31, 5:21 am, BLafferty<Br...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> >> RIP.
>
> > To honor this great champion's death, I would like to ask rbr to join
> > me in observing 8 seconds of silence.
>
> Lemond could learn much about dignity from Fignon.
>
> Fred Flintstein

From the Times/IHT:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/01/sports/cycling/01iht-FIGNON.html

"I don't want to die at 50, but if it's not curable, what can I do?"
"I love life. I love to laugh, travel, to read, eat well, just like a
good
Frenchman," he continued. "I am not afraid of dying, it's just I am
not ready to die."

RIP. Enjoy it while we can.

Ben


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 7:04 pm
From: Magilla Gorilla


"William R. Mattil" wrote:

> On 8/31/2010 11:08 AM, Magilla Gorilla wrote:
>
> >
> > I always liked Fignon. But he evidently didn't have the "will" to beat
> > cancer like Lance.
>
> Please go fuck yourself.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
>
> --
>
> William R. Mattil
>
> http://www.celestial-images.com

You shut the fuck up, William Tell. Don't get all righteous with me just
because some poneytail Frenchman doper kicks the bucket.

If you were a real man you'd use those little telescopes of yours to look
into the teenager's window across the street when she comes out of the
shower instead of looking into the sky like some kind of Star Trek faggot.

In case you haven't heard, we already have the Hubble telescope that we paid
billions for. I partly own that fucking thing. What's the point of looking
at the sky with your KayBee Toy & Hobby gadget?

Bitch.

Magilla


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TOPIC: Laurent Fignon in pictures
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 7:10 pm
From: "Mr. Slate"


Nice photos...
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/497578/laurent-fignon-1960-2010-in-pictures.html

If you said that was him, I wouldn't of known it...
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5473/Au-revoir-Professeur-a-tribute-to-Laurent-Fignon.aspx

Nice shots, 24 photos slideshow..
http://www.lequipe.fr/Portfolio/Cyclisme/PORTFOLIO_FIGNON_CARRIERE.html


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alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets - 25 new messages in 7 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* AT, Clemens, & TE's - 8 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/89b5390c49a21920?hl=en
* Pace out for six weeks - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/947ce3492470bbf3?hl=en
* O'Connell cut... Clemens takes pay cut... - 8 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/798c005f90f0fb24?hl=en
* Reality...not the TV show kind - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2cbedab31bd50d1b?hl=en
* "Axe" Body Spray To Market Towards Black - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Roster - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5f56ca4d6d233c7b?hl=en
* No to Kosher Nostra, Palin ! - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5c776fd0459fe9ca?hl=en

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TOPIC: AT, Clemens, & TE's
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 10:54 am
From: John C TX


On Aug 31, 12:35 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote in message
>
> news:gNOdne-4jPBFkuDRnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>
> > John C TX wrote:
> >> Ryan basically says not signing AT is about the money and we will
> >> carry 4 TE's.  So when you Schott haters start teeing off on him this
> >> year you may remember how you thought Rex was an offensive geniu s&
> >> not Schott when teh running game clicked.  There is no way that is
> >> anything other than Rex.
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/24wvgq7
>
> >> Jets wait to sign Thomas due to contract rule
>
> >> By BART HUBBUCH
>
> >> Last Updated: 7:57 AM, August 31, 2010
>
> >> Posted: 3:32 AM, August 31, 2010
>
> >> Jets fans hoping to see Adalius Thomas in green and white Week 1
> >> against the Ravens shouldn't hold their breath.
>
> >> That was the message yesterday from Jets coach Rex Ryan, who admitted
> >> that the NFL rule requiring vested veterans to have their entire
> >> salary guaranteed if they are on the Week 1 roster is keeping Thomas
> >> from signing with Gang Green.
>
> > I'm hoping like hell this plan backfires and AD signs somewhere else.
> > Dayum, Woody is CHEEEEEEAAAAAAAP!
>
> Very cheap....I'm thinking his hyping of Clowney was because Clowney is
> cheap...he wants to see that all the inexpensive guys stay on the team.
> That's how these guys think....it is the coaches job to make the "cheap
> players" play like stars.

I am not saying that the Thomas move is not cheap & remember we don't
know what he wants but Clowney doesn't save any money.


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:09 am
From: buRford


On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:28:42 -0700 (PDT), John C TX <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ryan basically says not signing AT is about the money and we will
>carry 4 TE's. So when you Schott haters start teeing off on him this
>year you may remember how you thought Rex was an offensive geniu s&
>not Schott when teh running game clicked. There is no way that is
>anything other than Rex.
>

Who ever said Rex was an offensive genius?
And what exactly are you trying to say ;)

To me, Rex gave the O reins to Schott, from the beginning. He only has final say on
players, & gameplans, as HC. If Schott says he wants Clowney over Henry, Schott gets what
he wants, even if Westhoff hates the guy.
My only consolation, as far as the O goes, is that Callahan is the OL coach. He's the
only O coach, with any credibility, and probably has a piece of Rex's ear.


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:24 am
From: buRford


On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:51:38 -0700 (PDT), John C TX <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote:

>X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>> John...what are you saying?  This does't make sense to me.....can't Schott
>> make reccomendations Rex follows?  Rex is NOT an offensive genious..he
>> coaches defense...and sometimes guys extend themselves and make
>> mistakes....He's probably keeping 4 TE's because he sees a weakness in a lot
>> of pass protection sets...that interior line is not ready.
>>
>
>I am saying that Schott's formations got tighter & tighter last year.
>It could be he saw something or it could be that is the type of
>offense that the jets --Rex-- want sto run. You rarely saw 2 TE
>formations before last year when they started lining Turner up and
>that includes when we had Baker, Franks & Keller. Now we are keeping
>4?

To me, the 4 TEs has everything to do with the weakness of the OL.

>
>My post was half tongue in cheek in reference the Schott lynch mob was
>giving the credit to the revived offense at the end of the year to
>Rex. Part of me wonders if Rex is trying to run an offense he wants
>to see as is his right as head coach.

I don't remember a revived offense ;)
Nor do I remember any Schott realists giving credit to Rex, for anything O related.
I do remember reading reports from the Media, that Rex got more involved with Sanchez.
And they said, he helped Sanchez stay within himself, which lessened the turnovers.


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 12:25 pm
From: John C TX


On Aug 31, 1:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:51:38 -0700 (PDT), John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> >> John...what are you saying?  This does't make sense to me.....can't Schott
> >> make reccomendations Rex follows?  Rex is NOT an offensive genious..he
> >> coaches defense...and sometimes guys extend themselves and make
> >> mistakes....He's probably keeping 4 TE's because he sees a weakness in a lot
> >> of pass protection sets...that interior line is not ready.
>
> >I am saying that Schott's formations got tighter & tighter last year.
> >It could be he saw something or it could be that is the type of
> >offense that the jets --Rex-- want sto run.  You rarely saw 2 TE
> >formations before last year when they started lining Turner up and
> >that includes when we had Baker, Franks & Keller. Now we are keeping
> >4?
>
> To me, the 4 TEs has everything to do with the weakness of the OL.

I agree that we have issues there. Woody & Moore, especially Woody,
are average to poor. Slauson has to play well. If it is related to the
problems they see on the OL or the type of risks they will take with
Sanchez I don't know.

I do know that when you have 7 guys blocking on or near the line and 3
in the backfield it is very easy to throw double coverage on the one
WR. This is dramatically different then what we were seeing 2-3 years
ago.


>
>
>
> >My post was half tongue in cheek in reference the Schott lynch mob was
> >giving the credit to the revived offense at the end of the year to
> >Rex.  Part of me wonders if Rex is trying to run an offense he wants
> >to see as is his right as head coach.
>
> I don't remember a revived offense ;)
> Nor do I remember any Schott realists giving credit to Rex, for anything O related.

It doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

> I do remember reading reports from the Media, that Rex got more involved with Sanchez.
> And they said, he helped Sanchez stay within himself, which lessened the turnovers.

Stay within himself? Rex almost ran on the field & tackled him one
game when he didn't call a time out when the defense looked ready.
They shut him down. They almost put him in the gimp suit & stuck a
red ball in his mouth. Punts became preferable to going for it on 3rd
& long. He was that bad at times.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 12:32 pm
From: John C TX

> To me, Rex gave the O reins to Schott, from the beginning.  He only has final say on
> players, & gameplans, as HC.  If Schott says he wants Clowney over Henry, Schott gets what
> he wants, even if Westhoff hates the guy.


B, how would you know?

> My only consolation, as far as the O goes, is that Callahan is the OL coach.  He's the
> only O coach, with any credibility, and probably has a piece of Rex's ear.

As for Callahan he may be a better OL coach then we had but what has
ever made him stand out as an offensive coach? Maybe Oakland but that
is a big maybe. He didn't do much early on as OC and only lasted 2
years as head coach. No one in the Big 12 was worried about playing
him.


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 12:46 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d78b2b5b-0c2a-483d-a396-b31b0dbcbbe1@q2g2000yqq.googlegroups.com...
X-No-Archive: Yes

> John...what are you saying? This does't make sense to me.....can't Schott
> make reccomendations Rex follows? Rex is NOT an offensive genious..he
> coaches defense...and sometimes guys extend themselves and make
> mistakes....He's probably keeping 4 TE's because he sees a weakness in a
> lot
> of pass protection sets...that interior line is not ready.
>

I am saying that Schott's formations got tighter & tighter last year.
It could be he saw something or it could be that is the type of
offense that the jets --Rex-- want sto run. You rarely saw 2 TE
formations before last year when they started lining Turner up and
that includes when we had Baker, Franks & Keller. Now we are keeping
4?

My post was half tongue in cheek in reference the Schott lynch mob was
giving the credit to the revived offense at the end of the year to
Rex. Part of me wonders if Rex is trying to run an offense he wants
to see as is his right as head coach.

I always think formations get tighter and tighter when you can't protect the
QB...if that starts now...they be in some serious trouble. This is a throw,
throw, throw game now....I think there are ways you can run a double
TE...double wide set....but it would be like going to the wildcat as your
regular offense....it takes a really creative OC...and technically if you
just move the two TE's to the tight slot it becomes a version of run and
shoot....then by using RB's to their fullest you can do some good run stuff
too...I'm thinking what I would do...not what I think Schott will do.


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 1:38 pm
From: Michael


On Aug 31, 3:46 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:d78b2b5b-0c2a-483d-a396-b31b0dbcbbe1@q2g2000yqq.googlegroups.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > John...what are you saying? This does't make sense to me.....can't Schott
> > make reccomendations Rex follows? Rex is NOT an offensive genious..he
> > coaches defense...and sometimes guys extend themselves and make
> > mistakes....He's probably keeping 4 TE's because he sees a weakness in a
> > lot
> > of pass protection sets...that interior line is not ready.
>
> I am saying that Schott's formations got tighter & tighter last year.
> It could be he saw something or it could be that is the type of
> offense that the jets --Rex-- want sto run.  You rarely saw 2 TE
> formations before last year when they started lining Turner up and
> that includes when we had Baker, Franks & Keller. Now we are keeping
> 4?
>
> My post was half tongue in cheek in reference the Schott lynch mob was
> giving the credit to the revived offense at the end of the year to
> Rex.  Part of me wonders if Rex is trying to run an offense he wants
> to see as is his right as head coach.
>
> I always think formations get tighter and tighter when you can't protect the
> QB...if that starts now...they be in some serious trouble.  This is a throw,
> throw, throw game now....I think there are ways you can run a double
> TE...double wide set....but it would be like going to the wildcat as your
> regular offense....it takes a really creative OC...and technically if you
> just move the two TE's to the tight slot it becomes a version of run and
> shoot....then by using RB's to their fullest you can do some good run stuff
> too...I'm thinking what I would do...not what I think Schott will do.

with a qb that moves like sanchez and the other offensive assets they
have, i'd run an offense similar to what the thiesman redskins did.


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:43 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ed1407bf-1161-4802-9644-7a45f422b325@v41g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 31, 3:46 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:d78b2b5b-0c2a-483d-a396-b31b0dbcbbe1@q2g2000yqq.googlegroups.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > John...what are you saying? This does't make sense to me.....can't
> > Schott
> > make reccomendations Rex follows? Rex is NOT an offensive genious..he
> > coaches defense...and sometimes guys extend themselves and make
> > mistakes....He's probably keeping 4 TE's because he sees a weakness in a
> > lot
> > of pass protection sets...that interior line is not ready.
>
> I am saying that Schott's formations got tighter & tighter last year.
> It could be he saw something or it could be that is the type of
> offense that the jets --Rex-- want sto run. You rarely saw 2 TE
> formations before last year when they started lining Turner up and
> that includes when we had Baker, Franks & Keller. Now we are keeping
> 4?
>
> My post was half tongue in cheek in reference the Schott lynch mob was
> giving the credit to the revived offense at the end of the year to
> Rex. Part of me wonders if Rex is trying to run an offense he wants
> to see as is his right as head coach.
>
> I always think formations get tighter and tighter when you can't protect
> the
> QB...if that starts now...they be in some serious trouble. This is a
> throw,
> throw, throw game now....I think there are ways you can run a double
> TE...double wide set....but it would be like going to the wildcat as your
> regular offense....it takes a really creative OC...and technically if you
> just move the two TE's to the tight slot it becomes a version of run and
> shoot....then by using RB's to their fullest you can do some good run
> stuff
> too...I'm thinking what I would do...not what I think Schott will do.

with a qb that moves like sanchez and the other offensive assets they
have, i'd run an offense similar to what the thiesman redskins did

I have to think about that....may be interesting...where's the really big
fullback, ball carrier...the John Riggins type?

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 10:56 am
From: John C TX


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> Have you watched Hard Knocks?  He's always there, and on the field..he does
> the exercise thing with the coaches too....go up to Madison, NJ...you will
> see him right in the middle of things....Jerry Jones is his role model I
> guess.

I did see it & it pisses me off. Workout with them but don't say a
word.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:02 am
From: John C TX


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>
> The Jets are one of the most profitable franchises in the NFL.  Yet
> their spending is not that much higher than small market teams.  Look at
> the MLB.  Woody sure as hell isn't losing money.  He's got one of the
> most solid investments going.

This will be the first time that people are calling them cheap. They
have spent a lot of money this year including the stadium. This
could be a case of being cheap but I don't know what Thomas wants so I
don't know what the risk entails.

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:16 am
From: buRford


On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:49:02 -0400, MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:

>buRford wrote:
>> According to Cimini...
>>
>> "QB Kevin O'Connell is waived. That means Kellen Clemens makes the team as the No. 3 QB.
>> Kellen Clemens says he took pay cut to ensure roster spot. "If I didn't, they were going
>> to cut me." Clemens had been granted permission to speak to other teams. Decided Jets were
>> still best option as No. 3 QB."
>>
>> Smart move by Clemens, & the Jets.
>
>Really worked out well for the Jets. Usually players reject pay cuts
>and take their chances on the market. Woody saved money here that he
>can then use to sign or extend more players...err, I mean, that he can
>use to buy another luxury car.

A bunch of Jets players have taken cuts to stay.
Off the top of my head, Clemens, Gholston, Coleman, & I think at least one other, I can't
think of right now.

Reading the tea leaves, are the Jets are tightening their belts, in order to cave to
Revis?
Hope not.


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:34 am
From: MZ


buRford wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:49:02 -0400, MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>
>> buRford wrote:
>>> According to Cimini...
>>>
>>> "QB Kevin O'Connell is waived. That means Kellen Clemens makes the team as the No. 3 QB.
>>> Kellen Clemens says he took pay cut to ensure roster spot. "If I didn't, they were going
>>> to cut me." Clemens had been granted permission to speak to other teams. Decided Jets were
>>> still best option as No. 3 QB."
>>>
>>> Smart move by Clemens, & the Jets.
>> Really worked out well for the Jets. Usually players reject pay cuts
>> and take their chances on the market. Woody saved money here that he
>> can then use to sign or extend more players...err, I mean, that he can
>> use to buy another luxury car.
>
> A bunch of Jets players have taken cuts to stay.
> Off the top of my head, Clemens, Gholston, Coleman, & I think at least one other, I can't
> think of right now.
>
> Reading the tea leaves, are the Jets are tightening their belts, in order to cave to
> Revis?
> Hope not.

I think Gholston's was just a restructure.


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 12:42 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:gNOdnei4jPDN1uDRnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> buRford wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:49:02 -0400, MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>>
>>> buRford wrote:
>>>> According to Cimini...
>>>>
>>>> "QB Kevin O'Connell is waived. That means Kellen Clemens makes the team
>>>> as the No. 3 QB.
>>>> Kellen Clemens says he took pay cut to ensure roster spot. "If I
>>>> didn't, they were going
>>>> to cut me." Clemens had been granted permission to speak to other
>>>> teams. Decided Jets were
>>>> still best option as No. 3 QB."
>>>>
>>>> Smart move by Clemens, & the Jets.
>>> Really worked out well for the Jets. Usually players reject pay cuts
>>> and take their chances on the market. Woody saved money here that he
>>> can then use to sign or extend more players...err, I mean, that he can
>>> use to buy another luxury car.
>>
>> A bunch of Jets players have taken cuts to stay.
>> Off the top of my head, Clemens, Gholston, Coleman, & I think at least
>> one other, I can't
>> think of right now.
>>
>> Reading the tea leaves, are the Jets are tightening their belts, in order
>> to cave to
>> Revis?
>> Hope not.
>
> I think Gholston's was just a restructure.

I think he took a cut...I think I heard him say it and Rex too. To me, this
looks like what I've suspected for a long time...Woody is cheap and a
typical control freak with anything that involves a dime of his money even
if he knows nothing about the subject. I also suspect this is some "team"
effort to come up with bucks to cave to Revis.


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 12:45 pm
From: MZ


papa.carl44 wrote:
> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
> news:gNOdnei4jPDN1uDRnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> buRford wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:49:02 -0400, MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>
>>>> buRford wrote:
>>>>> According to Cimini...
>>>>>
>>>>> "QB Kevin O'Connell is waived. That means Kellen Clemens makes the team
>>>>> as the No. 3 QB.
>>>>> Kellen Clemens says he took pay cut to ensure roster spot. "If I
>>>>> didn't, they were going
>>>>> to cut me." Clemens had been granted permission to speak to other
>>>>> teams. Decided Jets were
>>>>> still best option as No. 3 QB."
>>>>>
>>>>> Smart move by Clemens, & the Jets.
>>>> Really worked out well for the Jets. Usually players reject pay cuts
>>>> and take their chances on the market. Woody saved money here that he
>>>> can then use to sign or extend more players...err, I mean, that he can
>>>> use to buy another luxury car.
>>> A bunch of Jets players have taken cuts to stay.
>>> Off the top of my head, Clemens, Gholston, Coleman, & I think at least
>>> one other, I can't
>>> think of right now.
>>>
>>> Reading the tea leaves, are the Jets are tightening their belts, in order
>>> to cave to
>>> Revis?
>>> Hope not.
>> I think Gholston's was just a restructure.
>
> I think he took a cut...I think I heard him say it and Rex too. To me, this
> looks like what I've suspected for a long time...Woody is cheap and a
> typical control freak with anything that involves a dime of his money even
> if he knows nothing about the subject. I also suspect this is some "team"
> effort to come up with bucks to cave to Revis.

I thought we discussed the Gholston thing in here and that the
conclusion was that it converted future salary to guaranteed money?


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 12:58 pm
From: "JKConey"

"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
news:TIednZjK07iBxuDRnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
> news:gNOdnei4jPDN1uDRnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> buRford wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:49:02 -0400, MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>
>>>> buRford wrote:
>>>>> According to Cimini...
>>>>>
>>>>> "QB Kevin O'Connell is waived. That means Kellen Clemens makes the
>>>>> team as the No. 3 QB.
>>>>> Kellen Clemens says he took pay cut to ensure roster spot. "If I
>>>>> didn't, they were going
>>>>> to cut me." Clemens had been granted permission to speak to other
>>>>> teams. Decided Jets were
>>>>> still best option as No. 3 QB."
>>>>>
>>>>> Smart move by Clemens, & the Jets.
>>>> Really worked out well for the Jets. Usually players reject pay cuts
>>>> and take their chances on the market. Woody saved money here that he
>>>> can then use to sign or extend more players...err, I mean, that he can
>>>> use to buy another luxury car.
>>>
>>> A bunch of Jets players have taken cuts to stay.
>>> Off the top of my head, Clemens, Gholston, Coleman, & I think at least
>>> one other, I can't
>>> think of right now.
>>>
>>> Reading the tea leaves, are the Jets are tightening their belts, in
>>> order to cave to
>>> Revis?
>>> Hope not.
>>
>> I think Gholston's was just a restructure.
>
> I think he took a cut...I think I heard him say it and Rex too. To me,
> this looks like what I've suspected for a long time...Woody is cheap and a
> typical control freak with anything that involves a dime of his money even
> if he knows nothing about the subject. I also suspect this is some "team"
> effort to come up with bucks to cave to Revis.
>


and they spent $2500 on the magician!

--
JK Sinrod
www.myconeyislandmemories.com

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 1:46 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <TIednZjK07iBxuDRnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

> I also suspect this is some "team"
> effort to come up with bucks to cave to Revis.

I hope this is not the reason. Let him Retire.

harlan


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:36 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c90b033a-ec91-454f-83a9-1bb86f10b184@f42g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>> Smart move by Clemens, & the Jets.
>
> They are watching their dollars; first Coleman & now Clemens gets
> taken to the woodshed.
>
> What I don't get is what moron felt the need to trade a 7th rounder
> for this guy?
>


it helps explain Revis's motivation.


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:40 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:i5jmuh$nio$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:TIednZjK07iBxuDRnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
>> news:gNOdnei4jPDN1uDRnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> buRford wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:49:02 -0400, MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> buRford wrote:
>>>>>> According to Cimini...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "QB Kevin O'Connell is waived. That means Kellen Clemens makes the
>>>>>> team as the No. 3 QB.
>>>>>> Kellen Clemens says he took pay cut to ensure roster spot. "If I
>>>>>> didn't, they were going
>>>>>> to cut me." Clemens had been granted permission to speak to other
>>>>>> teams. Decided Jets were
>>>>>> still best option as No. 3 QB."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Smart move by Clemens, & the Jets.
>>>>> Really worked out well for the Jets. Usually players reject pay cuts
>>>>> and take their chances on the market. Woody saved money here that he
>>>>> can then use to sign or extend more players...err, I mean, that he can
>>>>> use to buy another luxury car.
>>>>
>>>> A bunch of Jets players have taken cuts to stay.
>>>> Off the top of my head, Clemens, Gholston, Coleman, & I think at least
>>>> one other, I can't
>>>> think of right now.
>>>>
>>>> Reading the tea leaves, are the Jets are tightening their belts, in
>>>> order to cave to
>>>> Revis?
>>>> Hope not.
>>>
>>> I think Gholston's was just a restructure.
>>
>> I think he took a cut...I think I heard him say it and Rex too. To me,
>> this looks like what I've suspected for a long time...Woody is cheap and
>> a typical control freak with anything that involves a dime of his money
>> even if he knows nothing about the subject. I also suspect this is some
>> "team" effort to come up with bucks to cave to Revis.
>>
>
>
> and they spent $2500 on the magician!
>
> --
> JK Sinrod
> www.myconeyislandmemories.com

LOL...but the magician had a babe with him.
>

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 1:03 pm
From: "papa.carl44"


The more I look at this, listen to others and to what the "pundits" say, I
can only think of one thing. First, the Jets do not have a good QB.
Sanchez is barely capable and it looks like he has to just not screw up too
badly. I watched the replays of him, if I didn't see something, tell me.
But he does not look even as good as he was at the end of last season. He
looks very unsure of himself even in his deportment and how he carries
himself on Hard Knocks...and I do not put a lot into that show...it has to
be filtered. Next, the O line does not look cohesive. The right side looks
weak. The bright side is they appear to have some good skill position
players, good receivers, and very good running backs. So...how do you make
a situation like this work? The only answer is to create a clever offensive
scheme. A scheme that utilizes what you do have and minimizes the obvious
deficits. That job belongs to Brian Schottenhemier. I am tired of hearing
about how he hasn't had this and hasn't had that...it's his freakin job,
it's what he gets paid for. I think of an incident a long time ago, a bunch
of coaches sitting in a dark coaching locker room in the basement of a high
school. It was super hot and a huge fan was blowing on us. That made
everyone shout to be heard. Two guys were moaning about what we didn't
have, "If we had another D tackle with a little more quickness." And, "If
we could find a really good cover corner." Then over the top of it all the
senior guy age wise just shouted, "Why don't we just coach the ones we
got...screw the ones we don't have." That is coaching...not spending any
time on what they don't have. So Schott needs to come up with something
that works for what they have. I seriously doubt he will do that. I have
not seen him utilize his available tools yet. I'm not sure who or how this
team got hyped to be a SB contender? I just don't see it. Yes! I am a
Jets Fan and I've been one since before they were the Jets..so the obvious
guys who will respond ripping me can be told now...I don't care what you
think. Reality...look at what they have done in preseason. Watch the HBO
show. Did you ever see a team play the whole preseason and not show you
anything that they had? To me it would be a first. It looks like they can
play D...and it looks like they need a really clever OC and some good
teachers at the positions. OMHO, Papa Carl


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 1:54 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <z4SdnW7jdtKP_eDRnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

> The more I look at this, listen to others and to what the "pundits" say, I
> can only think of one thing. First, the Jets do not have a good QB.
> Sanchez is barely capable and it looks like he has to just not screw up too
> badly. I watched the replays of him, if I didn't see something, tell me.
> But he does not look even as good as he was at the end of last season. He
> looks very unsure of himself even in his deportment and how he carries
> himself on Hard Knocks...and I do not put a lot into that show...it has to
> be filtered. Next, the O line does not look cohesive. The right side looks
> weak. The bright side is they appear to have some good skill position
> players, good receivers, and very good running backs. So...how do you make
> a situation like this work? The only answer is to create a clever offensive
> scheme. A scheme that utilizes what you do have and minimizes the obvious
> deficits. That job belongs to Brian Schottenhemier. I am tired of hearing
> about how he hasn't had this and hasn't had that...it's his freakin job,
> it's what he gets paid for. I think of an incident a long time ago, a bunch
> of coaches sitting in a dark coaching locker room in the basement of a high
> school. It was super hot and a huge fan was blowing on us. That made
> everyone shout to be heard. Two guys were moaning about what we didn't
> have, "If we had another D tackle with a little more quickness." And, "If
> we could find a really good cover corner." Then over the top of it all the
> senior guy age wise just shouted, "Why don't we just coach the ones we
> got...screw the ones we don't have." That is coaching...not spending any
> time on what they don't have. So Schott needs to come up with something
> that works for what they have. I seriously doubt he will do that. I have
> not seen him utilize his available tools yet. I'm not sure who or how this
> team got hyped to be a SB contender? I just don't see it. Yes! I am a
> Jets Fan and I've been one since before they were the Jets..so the obvious
> guys who will respond ripping me can be told now...I don't care what you
> think. Reality...look at what they have done in preseason. Watch the HBO
> show. Did you ever see a team play the whole preseason and not show you
> anything that they had? To me it would be a first. It looks like they can
> play D...and it looks like they need a really clever OC and some good
> teachers at the positions. OMHO, Papa Carl

If the Jets are to be judged on what we showed in preseason, we are done.

My memory does not allow me to figure out if there was a successful year
where we showed nothing in preseason.

But, if you are right, after the fifth game of the season, Jet fans will
have a lot of free time on their hands. By then we should be 0-4 or 0-5
with two key division losses.

I am willing to wait to see the product that takes the field when the
season starts. I don't think you are wrong. I don't think you are right.
I hope you are wrong, especially after paying extra bucks for NFL Sunday
ticket. Also, as a fellow older fan, one who watched Dick Wood play Qb
in the Polo Grounds, I have little time for failed seasons.

h


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:39 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-AE9DF0.16542231082010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <z4SdnW7jdtKP_eDRnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>> The more I look at this, listen to others and to what the "pundits" say,
>> I
>> can only think of one thing. First, the Jets do not have a good QB.
>> Sanchez is barely capable and it looks like he has to just not screw up
>> too
>> badly. I watched the replays of him, if I didn't see something, tell me.
>> But he does not look even as good as he was at the end of last season.
>> He
>> looks very unsure of himself even in his deportment and how he carries
>> himself on Hard Knocks...and I do not put a lot into that show...it has
>> to
>> be filtered. Next, the O line does not look cohesive. The right side
>> looks
>> weak. The bright side is they appear to have some good skill position
>> players, good receivers, and very good running backs. So...how do you
>> make
>> a situation like this work? The only answer is to create a clever
>> offensive
>> scheme. A scheme that utilizes what you do have and minimizes the
>> obvious
>> deficits. That job belongs to Brian Schottenhemier. I am tired of
>> hearing
>> about how he hasn't had this and hasn't had that...it's his freakin job,
>> it's what he gets paid for. I think of an incident a long time ago, a
>> bunch
>> of coaches sitting in a dark coaching locker room in the basement of a
>> high
>> school. It was super hot and a huge fan was blowing on us. That made
>> everyone shout to be heard. Two guys were moaning about what we didn't
>> have, "If we had another D tackle with a little more quickness." And,
>> "If
>> we could find a really good cover corner." Then over the top of it all
>> the
>> senior guy age wise just shouted, "Why don't we just coach the ones we
>> got...screw the ones we don't have." That is coaching...not spending any
>> time on what they don't have. So Schott needs to come up with something
>> that works for what they have. I seriously doubt he will do that. I
>> have
>> not seen him utilize his available tools yet. I'm not sure who or how
>> this
>> team got hyped to be a SB contender? I just don't see it. Yes! I am a
>> Jets Fan and I've been one since before they were the Jets..so the
>> obvious
>> guys who will respond ripping me can be told now...I don't care what you
>> think. Reality...look at what they have done in preseason. Watch the
>> HBO
>> show. Did you ever see a team play the whole preseason and not show you
>> anything that they had? To me it would be a first. It looks like they
>> can
>> play D...and it looks like they need a really clever OC and some good
>> teachers at the positions. OMHO, Papa Carl
>
> If the Jets are to be judged on what we showed in preseason, we are done.
>
> My memory does not allow me to figure out if there was a successful year
> where we showed nothing in preseason.
>
> But, if you are right, after the fifth game of the season, Jet fans will
> have a lot of free time on their hands. By then we should be 0-4 or 0-5
> with two key division losses.
>
> I am willing to wait to see the product that takes the field when the
> season starts. I don't think you are wrong. I don't think you are right.
> I hope you are wrong, especially after paying extra bucks for NFL Sunday
> ticket. Also, as a fellow older fan, one who watched Dick Wood play Qb
> in the Polo Grounds, I have little time for failed seasons.
>
> h

:-) Dick Wood...oh boy....my old memories. My main point was that judging
from only what is available, and adding to that what we saw from the OC in
the past, and the play of the QB last year, a hard look at reality says the
OC needs to come up big. I believe you can have some of the tools and still
not get it done if you con't use the tools appropriately. I've got to see it
happen and this preseason it has not even come close. Lets see what happens
on Thursday night.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 1:20 pm
From: "`·.¸¸.·´¯\)/*~®åvÑsfån®~*\\\(¯`·.¸¸.·´"

"mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> The makers of "Axe" body spray have developed a new product to capture
> the African American market.
>
> They plan on calling their new product "Ask".
>
> mr dude
>
>
http://www.niggermania.com/

Drew
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"...I'm sending him to the kill file,
I suggest the rest of you do the same".
alt.sports.football.pro.pitt-steelers
*Strickland* - April 15, 2009

"...I guess I'll go back to my previous habit
of just ignoring your posts..."
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 1:23 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
news:q8fq76hkecsap3992ivla6554ngpde2cj8@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:15:22 -0400, "papa.carl44"
> <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"graybeard" <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:uldn76dqsoprsunfl6dqollobihr1bkfcs@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:48:36 -0400 "papa.carl44"
>>> <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems like they've felt all along that Clemens wasn't the guy. I
>>>>> assume they see something from him in practice or in the classroom
>>>>> over
>>>>> these years that haven't given the TWO coaching staffs that have
>>>>> coached
>>>>> him much confidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> In short, my suspicion is that he just sucks.
>>>>
>>>>Could be...but then why did they keep him?
>>>
>>> He knows the offense, he knows the players, he's still young, he has a
>>> live arm, and nobody can afford to keep an All-Pro around as second
>>> string QB. With most teams, if you lose your first QB for an extended
>>> period of time your season is shot anyway, so you make do with a second
>>> QB who is relatively inexpensive and who you hope can hold the fort if
>>> the first QB is only out a couple of games. Anything more you get out of
>>> him is a bonus.
>>> --
>>> graybeard
>>
>>Ah, that was my point to Mark...we agree then...he may have issues now,
>>but
>>he didn't "suck"...but I still think history would tell us some second
>>string QB's have done quite well. I think Clemens was mishandled from the
>>get go...the only point I'm trying to make is I think that can ruin a guy.
>>He looks a lot better this season I think.
>>
>
> You're right. Clemens is a smart kid. I'm sure he knows there isn't as
> much daylight,
> between him & Sanchez, as the Media tries to make it.
> Even with Pennington... he was this gung ho guy, out of college.
> As he *developed* under the Preacher, he became tentative in his play.
> Then the injuries.
> All the years of *any series that ends in a kick, is a good one,* took its
> toll in Chad's
> head ;)

YES.....and what happens to a player makes a huge difference in his
future....a Johnny Unitas coming off a sandlot has a better chance than a
guy being messed with with by some "genius"....coaching matters..not just
the HC...position coaches.....and they have to be able to teach...not just
motivate.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:01 pm
From:


No to Kosher Nostra, Palin !

Do we want have VATICAN KOSHER NOSTRA into Congress ???

With Pedophiles too ???

No to Catholic persons, while reigns a secret AntiChtist Alliance
Vatican-Israel !

Boy, Girl, don't vote Jews or Catholic priests, or persons close or united
them !

Jews and Catholic person are working making JOBless ?

Sure !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
================================================

THE ECONOMICAL AND MILITARY CRISIS OF USA


((((( IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SOLVE IT, WITHOUT USING BOMBS )))))


IS THIS, the good ISRAEL's strategy plot ?


==================================================
1° Step of a good plot)
About September 13-15 2001, in Rome, Romano De Simone was talking with
Vittorio Halfon, High Level Jew of international influence, agent of
Israel.
"Your opinion was correct, Romano, were the our AGENTS in NYC
(The WTC's Authors). They are geniuses. Few thousands of dead, for
making many millions dollars, accusing Arabs. Wall Street collapses,
but they it rayse up again."

2° Step of a good plot)
Spreading in hole US the Subprime Loans, and ROBBING the inventions,
this is the SPRINGS OF THE prosperity of America, inclusive SPALIC of

Romano De Simone (www.spalic.com), having dozens utilizations,
from the sanitary until spatial fields.


3° Step of a good plot)
Withdrawing of 500 billion dollars from the US's banks during 2 hours,
at September, 18 2008, for sparking off a global economical crisis
against American Workers, and dominating worldwide.

=================================================
=================================================

With the 11 September 2001, for the first time in the history, a
militar attack BY A LOT OF BOMB, had become a film.


How all the world it has been able to see, the tele-camera to take back the

scene, did'nt be trotting, as when it happens an unexpected event, but
were

well supported on the ground, waiting to arrival of the airplanes, of which

were AWARE only the organizers of the attack, and no-one else on the
world.

But who were these art directors, very very special?

On signaling of a lady, that had seen three men shooting the scene, very
happy

and smiling and for nothing shocked, from a white van, of which she had

taken the plate, the police has verified that:


1) The van was property of an Israeli company : the "Urban Moving System".

2) After detained the van many hours after, had halted the police five mens
among the 22 and the 27 years, which one had in pocket 4700 dollars, that
were able be only the remuneration of the film.

3) The driver of the van was such Sivan Kurzberg, and the other were Paul
Kurzberg, Yaron Samuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari, who resulted all
Israeli citizens.

4) The Jewish daily paper of New York has brought that two mens of them, in
accordance with the FBI, were agents of the Israeli intelligence.

The URBAN MOVING SYSTEM company, owner of the van, it is resulted of
ownership of the Israel state.

The administrator of the URBAN MOVING SYSTEM company, Dominick Otto Suter,
year 1970, whose Social Security Number is 129-78-0926, he escaped in Israel
the same day 11-September-2001.

Three months after the attack at two towers, a troupe of the television net
ABC has shot inside the offices of the URBAN MOVING SYSTEM
company: they appeared deserted in a great hurry, even with objects of
ownership of the customers of company.

The URBAN MOVING SYSTEM company were missing.
It's possible to conclude saying that the responsibility of the attacks at
two towers are not of the Israel government ?.
========================================
========================================

THE COINCIDENCES:
The two falling towers, have been filmed exclusively by hebrews from Israel.
The boss of this group has escaped in Israel, the same day 11 septembers
2001.

The two towers belong to an Hebrew, that had to it demolish, for cause of
asbestos that there was contained.

The unique world organizations, which having the fit structures to organize
this attack, are the freemasonries, which are by exclusively control of
hebrews.

The americans, Jewish and not, at this stage, have the investigating duty,
the going out from the generic and unproved accusations, of terrorism from
Arabic matrix.

A Bin Laden that himself accused, it shows absolutely nothing : he has been
paid to do it.

He has been paid to do spread a planetary war, of America against the arabs,
that serves only to ISRAEL, as the Iraq war.


STRUCK ROMANO DE SIMONE , only because they want STRUCKING any
inventor working for AMERICA = THEY WANT CLOSE ALLLLL SPRINGS of
technolgy and PROSPERITY OF AMERICA.

THEY WANT THE REIGN OF ZIONIST DREAM OVER THE GLOBE.
============================================================


QUESTIONS
How to be possible you believe to a Bin Laden, only because himself accuses,
while the organizers are able to be only the Israeli ART-DIRECTORS
fortuitously discovered, by the police, or their friends ?

Nobody can exclude that Bin Laden is one of this friends of Israel !

NOBODY CAN EXCLUDE BIN LADEN IS UNDER THE MOSSAD'S STRATEGY !!!!!!

Why nobody have the valor to asking the necessary investigating
on Israel and his friends ?

How to be possible it you mines two towers, with thousands of kilos of
explosive, without the helping of owner of two towers ?

WHY THE HALTED ISRAELIS WERE AS HAPPY,
WHILE THEY WERE SEING TO EXPLODE AND COLLAPSE
THE W-T-C TWO TOWERS ?

It needs verify if such they happiness, documented by they-self,
with the photos that they same have done, was connected to the
fact that THEIR WORK HAD MADE VERY WELL, as from same excellent engineers.

PERHAPS TRANSPORTING THE EXPLOSIVE MATERIAL WITH THEIR MINIBUS:
what heavy work !!!!.

In such case they deserves the engineering degree, "ONORIS CAUSA".
=====================================================
But they can ever demonstrate that all these technical conclusions
are false,
and the clear truth is all other things, THE DEAR BOYS !!!

THE ISRAELI BOYS SURELY WILL GIVE AMPLE EXPLICATIONS,
ABOUT THEIR COMPLETE INNOCENCE !!!

Dr. Eng. Romano De Simone,
Consultant of Appeal Court of ROME and
INVENTOR of SPALIC ( www.spalic.com )

SPALIC, COPIED BY

Bionomic Industries Inc, from NJ
FBI, where are you ?

Italian Mechanical Engineer of 64 - ROME - ITALY
+39-339-6109258

================================================

Unemployment ? Bomb Israel !


September, 11 2001 Attacks ?
Withdrawals 500 billions $ of September 18 2008 ?
Subprime loans ?
Crisis ?,
Fires in California ?
Black tide of Gulf ?
The overcosts of the Hospitals ?

A VERY " SATANIC OPUS "

BETWEEN VATICAN AND ISRAEL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(And secretly also RUSSIA)

One only solution !

To Bomb Israel !
To eliminate the Zionist Tyranny !!!
================================
Any Jew citizen of US must do a step back, IF ARE HONEST !!!!!!!!

Till When, Jews, we must bear All These Crimes ?????

Let Leave FREE the Senate of US of AMERICA !!!

Cicerus

"QUOUSQUE TANDEM, CATILINA, ABUTERE PATIENTIAE NOSTRAE ???"
============================================================

BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!
BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB
ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!
BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB
ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!
BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB
ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:05 pm
From:


No to Kosher Nostra, Palin !

Do we want have VATICAN KOSHER NOSTRA into Congress ???

With Pedophiles too ???

No to Catholic persons, while reigns a secret AntiChtist Alliance
Vatican-Israel !

Boy, Girl, don't vote Jews or Catholic priests, or persons close or united
them !

Jews and Catholic person are working making JOBless ?

Sure !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
================================================

THE ECONOMICAL AND MILITARY CRISIS OF USA


((((( IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SOLVE IT, WITHOUT USING BOMBS )))))


IS THIS, the good ISRAEL's strategy plot ?


==================================================
1° Step of a good plot)
About September 13-15 2001, in Rome, Romano De Simone was talking with
Vittorio Halfon, High Level Jew of international influence, agent of
Israel.
"Your opinion was correct, Romano, were the our AGENTS in NYC
(The WTC's Authors). They are geniuses. Few thousands of dead, for
making many millions dollars, accusing Arabs. Wall Street collapses,
but they it rayse up again."

2° Step of a good plot)
Spreading in hole US the Subprime Loans, and ROBBING the inventions,
this is the SPRINGS OF THE prosperity of America, inclusive SPALIC of

Romano De Simone (www.spalic.com), having dozens utilizations,
from the sanitary until spatial fields.


3° Step of a good plot)
Withdrawing of 500 billion dollars from the US's banks during 2 hours,
at September, 18 2008, for sparking off a global economical crisis
against American Workers, and dominating worldwide.

=================================================
=================================================

With the 11 September 2001, for the first time in the history, a
militar attack BY A LOT OF BOMB, had become a film.


How all the world it has been able to see, the tele-camera to take back the

scene, did'nt be trotting, as when it happens an unexpected event, but
were

well supported on the ground, waiting to arrival of the airplanes, of which

were AWARE only the organizers of the attack, and no-one else on the
world.

But who were these art directors, very very special?

On signaling of a lady, that had seen three men shooting the scene, very
happy

and smiling and for nothing shocked, from a white van, of which she had

taken the plate, the police has verified that:


1) The van was property of an Israeli company : the "Urban Moving System".

2) After detained the van many hours after, had halted the police five mens
among the 22 and the 27 years, which one had in pocket 4700 dollars, that
were able be only the remuneration of the film.

3) The driver of the van was such Sivan Kurzberg, and the other were Paul
Kurzberg, Yaron Samuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari, who resulted all
Israeli citizens.

4) The Jewish daily paper of New York has brought that two mens of them, in
accordance with the FBI, were agents of the Israeli intelligence.

The URBAN MOVING SYSTEM company, owner of the van, it is resulted of
ownership of the Israel state.

The administrator of the URBAN MOVING SYSTEM company, Dominick Otto Suter,
year 1970, whose Social Security Number is 129-78-0926, he escaped in Israel
the same day 11-September-2001.

Three months after the attack at two towers, a troupe of the television net
ABC has shot inside the offices of the URBAN MOVING SYSTEM
company: they appeared deserted in a great hurry, even with objects of
ownership of the customers of company.

The URBAN MOVING SYSTEM company were missing.
It's possible to conclude saying that the responsibility of the attacks at
two towers are not of the Israel government ?.
========================================
========================================

THE COINCIDENCES:
The two falling towers, have been filmed exclusively by hebrews from Israel.
The boss of this group has escaped in Israel, the same day 11 septembers
2001.

The two towers belong to an Hebrew, that had to it demolish, for cause of
asbestos that there was contained.

The unique world organizations, which having the fit structures to organize
this attack, are the freemasonries, which are by exclusively control of
hebrews.

The americans, Jewish and not, at this stage, have the investigating duty,
the going out from the generic and unproved accusations, of terrorism from
Arabic matrix.

A Bin Laden that himself accused, it shows absolutely nothing : he has been
paid to do it.

He has been paid to do spread a planetary war, of America against the arabs,
that serves only to ISRAEL, as the Iraq war.


STRUCK ROMANO DE SIMONE , only because they want STRUCKING any
inventor working for AMERICA = THEY WANT CLOSE ALLLLL SPRINGS of
technolgy and PROSPERITY OF AMERICA.

THEY WANT THE REIGN OF ZIONIST DREAM OVER THE GLOBE.
============================================================


QUESTIONS
How to be possible you believe to a Bin Laden, only because himself accuses,
while the organizers are able to be only the Israeli ART-DIRECTORS
fortuitously discovered, by the police, or their friends ?

Nobody can exclude that Bin Laden is one of this friends of Israel !

NOBODY CAN EXCLUDE BIN LADEN IS UNDER THE MOSSAD'S STRATEGY !!!!!!

Why nobody have the valor to asking the necessary investigating
on Israel and his friends ?

How to be possible it you mines two towers, with thousands of kilos of
explosive, without the helping of owner of two towers ?

WHY THE HALTED ISRAELIS WERE AS HAPPY,
WHILE THEY WERE SEING TO EXPLODE AND COLLAPSE
THE W-T-C TWO TOWERS ?

It needs verify if such they happiness, documented by they-self,
with the photos that they same have done, was connected to the
fact that THEIR WORK HAD MADE VERY WELL, as from same excellent engineers.

PERHAPS TRANSPORTING THE EXPLOSIVE MATERIAL WITH THEIR MINIBUS:
what heavy work !!!!.

In such case they deserves the engineering degree, "ONORIS CAUSA".
=====================================================
But they can ever demonstrate that all these technical conclusions
are false,
and the clear truth is all other things, THE DEAR BOYS !!!

THE ISRAELI BOYS SURELY WILL GIVE AMPLE EXPLICATIONS,
ABOUT THEIR COMPLETE INNOCENCE !!!

Dr. Eng. Romano De Simone,
Consultant of Appeal Court of ROME and
INVENTOR of SPALIC ( www.spalic.com )

SPALIC, COPIED BY

Bionomic Industries Inc, from NJ
FBI, where are you ?

Italian Mechanical Engineer of 64 - ROME - ITALY
+39-339-6109258

================================================

Unemployment ? Bomb Israel !


September, 11 2001 Attacks ?
Withdrawals 500 billions $ of September 18 2008 ?
Subprime loans ?
Crisis ?,
Fires in California ?
Black tide of Gulf ?
The overcosts of the Hospitals ?

A VERY " SATANIC OPUS "

BETWEEN VATICAN AND ISRAEL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(And secretly also RUSSIA)

One only solution !

To Bomb Israel !
To eliminate the Zionist Tyranny !!!
================================
Any Jew citizen of US must do a step back, IF ARE HONEST !!!!!!!!

Till When, Jews, we must bear All These Crimes ?????

Let Leave FREE the Senate of US of AMERICA !!!

Cicerus

"QUOUSQUE TANDEM, CATILINA, ABUTERE PATIENTIAE NOSTRAE ???"
============================================================

BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!
BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB
ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!
BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB
ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!
BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB
ISRAEL !!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL
!!!!!!BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!! BOMB ISRAEL !!!!!!


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