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* Anyone hear any talk about a Rex-Shotty fight after the game ??? - 5
messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8d3614551a2c606a?hl=en
* Clinton Portis weighs in on female reporters in the locker room. - 2
messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/93a7e3fab687361d?hl=en
* Jets' Kris Jenkins done for season - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/a7e838eace394791?hl=en
* Patriots trade Maroney to Denver - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/15072925f273f58f?hl=en
* Maroney traded to Broncos - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/65d0ee573515fa95?hl=en
* A couple of shots at Schott... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/b71bbc07fe482338?hl=en
* It's as Much - If Not More - Rex as Schott - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/dca3d376b5791d81?hl=en
* Is it me or did Sanchez look like David Car ??? - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/589d0a9aef8f9379?hl=en
* Slauson... - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Fat Bastards smack talking bitches get smacked !!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* What's most amazing... - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Anyone hear any talk about a Rex-Shotty fight after the game ???
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8d3614551a2c606a?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:05 am
From: Harlan Lachman
In article <IJidndkSfvQaXA3RnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
> "buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
> news:pdh096h542sol1dc5479m05bp06dspnbmf@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:38:33 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>I just heard bits of an interview of Rex on 1050 that was recorded
> >>earlier today. The interviewer asked Rex if there was any truth to a
> >>reported shoving match between him and Schotty about the play
> >>calling. Rex grimly said there was no truth to it. For once, he did
> >>not follow up with sweet talk about how wonderful Schotty is. IMHO,
> >>Rex knows Schotty is a problem but he cant say it out loud because
> >>Schotty is Woody's guy. This is some what supported by Rex's
> >>intervention last season. Also supported by all the candy coating and
> >>ass kissing Rex has done in the past when speaking about Shotty. You
> >>can tell by his voice and language style that he's just paying
> >>political lip service with all false enthusiasm that he can muster.
> >>I'm betting that when all is said and done, this is the truth that
> >>will come out. We just need to wait for the ligjhtbulb to go off over
> >>Woody's head before they unload Shotty with a stellar review for the
> >>next buyer.
> >
> > I'm at the point, I'd sacrifice a few wins, if it meant Rex would wake up
> > & send him
> > packin'.
>
> I don't think Rex can....I think Rex took this deal with Schott as part of
> it. All this BS started around the stadium hype, going to NYC....once Woody
> has his business end of things in place the rest becomes insignificant to
> him. I'd also guess the flamboyant personality of Rex is not exactly
> winning him points with Mr. Johnson. Let's see how this plays, they have a
> lot going on if you include the reporter harrassment deal too...none of this
> is going to make a guy like Woody happy.
This is bogus for all of the reasons and possible Rex interventions
posted elsewhere.
Harlan
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:19 am
From: buRford
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:52:22 -0400, "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>news:pdh096h542sol1dc5479m05bp06dspnbmf@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:38:33 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I just heard bits of an interview of Rex on 1050 that was recorded
>>>earlier today. The interviewer asked Rex if there was any truth to a
>>>reported shoving match between him and Schotty about the play
>>>calling. Rex grimly said there was no truth to it. For once, he did
>>>not follow up with sweet talk about how wonderful Schotty is. IMHO,
>>>Rex knows Schotty is a problem but he cant say it out loud because
>>>Schotty is Woody's guy. This is some what supported by Rex's
>>>intervention last season. Also supported by all the candy coating and
>>>ass kissing Rex has done in the past when speaking about Shotty. You
>>>can tell by his voice and language style that he's just paying
>>>political lip service with all false enthusiasm that he can muster.
>>>I'm betting that when all is said and done, this is the truth that
>>>will come out. We just need to wait for the ligjhtbulb to go off over
>>>Woody's head before they unload Shotty with a stellar review for the
>>>next buyer.
>>
>> I'm at the point, I'd sacrifice a few wins, if it meant Rex would wake up
>> & send him
>> packin'.
>
>I don't think Rex can....I think Rex took this deal with Schott as part of
>it. All this BS started around the stadium hype, going to NYC....once Woody
>has his business end of things in place the rest becomes insignificant to
>him. I'd also guess the flamboyant personality of Rex is not exactly
>winning him points with Mr. Johnson. Let's see how this plays, they have a
>lot going on if you include the reporter harrassment deal too...none of this
>is going to make a guy like Woody happy.
>
I actually think Woody probably likes Rex a lot.
He's an overly conservative, prim & proper, Country Club type guy... Rex is probably a
novelty to Woody... a guy who is what he is, with no pretense.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:22 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dd6a2149-2984-4bb3-816d-9bed72debaf2@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 15, 7:52 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> news:pdh096h542sol1dc5479m05bp06dspnbmf@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:38:33 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >>I just heard bits of an interview of Rex on 1050 that was recorded
> >>earlier today. The interviewer asked Rex if there was any truth to a
> >>reported shoving match between him and Schotty about the play
> >>calling. Rex grimly said there was no truth to it. For once, he did
> >>not follow up with sweet talk about how wonderful Schotty is. IMHO,
> >>Rex knows Schotty is a problem but he cant say it out loud because
> >>Schotty is Woody's guy. This is some what supported by Rex's
> >>intervention last season. Also supported by all the candy coating and
> >>ass kissing Rex has done in the past when speaking about Shotty. You
> >>can tell by his voice and language style that he's just paying
> >>political lip service with all false enthusiasm that he can muster.
> >>I'm betting that when all is said and done, this is the truth that
> >>will come out. We just need to wait for the ligjhtbulb to go off over
> >>Woody's head before they unload Shotty with a stellar review for the
> >>next buyer.
>
> > I'm at the point, I'd sacrifice a few wins, if it meant Rex would wake
> > up
> > & send him
> > packin'.
>
> I don't think Rex can....I think Rex took this deal with Schott as part of
> it. All this BS started around the stadium hype, going to NYC....once
> Woody
> has his business end of things in place the rest becomes insignificant to
> him. I'd also guess the flamboyant personality of Rex is not exactly
> winning him points with Mr. Johnson. Let's see how this plays, they have a
> lot going on if you include the reporter harrassment deal too...none of
> this
> is going to make a guy like Woody happy.
Papa, if the boss thinks he sucks & the boss has an alternative he
should sack him. No one has been thinking about this more than me,
OK, maybe you & buRf, Johnny, etc. etc. but if this doesn't fit bring
in an assistant OL coach & let Callahan wear two hats. You don''t
need to bkow up teh offense just change the play calling if Ryan
thinks that is the problem. If Callahan & Cavanaugh isn't the answer
about Jeff Jagodzinski.
The problem may well be Sanchez or his confidence.
You need to study history. Schott has messed with a whole bunch of QB's and
offenses and none of them worked. IF Sanchez is that bad....they needed to
do something in the off season or in camp and if they didn't it's on the
entire organization. But most important, you missed what I'm saying. I
never said blow up the whole organization, not even close to that. I said
that Schott's presence, his father hanging around with Woody, Schott being
there before Rex with some speculation he may get the head job all adds up
to a lot of talk I've heard, and some from good sources, that Rex got the
job with Schott as part of the package. Just like it was Woody's idea to
bring in Favre and that eventually ended up with him firing Mancini. I did
not like Mancini, but there is a right and wrong way to do things. To me,
this organization does not look like they have a good plan in place for
running football...maybe some of their business stuff, but not football, and
I think the owner is way too involved. Why was he on the field all the time
during training camp? If you mean the boss as Woody...then the answer is
obvious, Woody doesn't think he sucks, and Woody doesn't know much about how
the game is played, that much was very obvious by his comments on Hard
Knocks. You can ask this question about a huge number of big
corporations....how about BP? This is a culture that never makes a mistake,
never looks at themselves and if Woody is invested in some way with Schott
it is going to be a long, long time before he admits he made a mistake on
that one.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:23 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-AE0607.10055015092010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <IJidndkSfvQaXA3RnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>> "buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>> news:pdh096h542sol1dc5479m05bp06dspnbmf@4ax.com...
>> > On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:38:33 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>I just heard bits of an interview of Rex on 1050 that was recorded
>> >>earlier today. The interviewer asked Rex if there was any truth to a
>> >>reported shoving match between him and Schotty about the play
>> >>calling. Rex grimly said there was no truth to it. For once, he did
>> >>not follow up with sweet talk about how wonderful Schotty is. IMHO,
>> >>Rex knows Schotty is a problem but he cant say it out loud because
>> >>Schotty is Woody's guy. This is some what supported by Rex's
>> >>intervention last season. Also supported by all the candy coating and
>> >>ass kissing Rex has done in the past when speaking about Shotty. You
>> >>can tell by his voice and language style that he's just paying
>> >>political lip service with all false enthusiasm that he can muster.
>> >>I'm betting that when all is said and done, this is the truth that
>> >>will come out. We just need to wait for the ligjhtbulb to go off over
>> >>Woody's head before they unload Shotty with a stellar review for the
>> >>next buyer.
>> >
>> > I'm at the point, I'd sacrifice a few wins, if it meant Rex would wake
>> > up
>> > & send him
>> > packin'.
>>
>> I don't think Rex can....I think Rex took this deal with Schott as part
>> of
>> it. All this BS started around the stadium hype, going to NYC....once
>> Woody
>> has his business end of things in place the rest becomes insignificant to
>> him. I'd also guess the flamboyant personality of Rex is not exactly
>> winning him points with Mr. Johnson. Let's see how this plays, they have
>> a
>> lot going on if you include the reporter harrassment deal too...none of
>> this
>> is going to make a guy like Woody happy.
>
> This is bogus for all of the reasons and possible Rex interventions
> posted elsewhere.
>
> Harlan
So Rex hired Schott????? And show me all these Rex interventions...where?
Where elsewhere? If Rex fires him I'm wrong...if he doesn't....explain it
to me.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:41 am
From: Michael
On Sep 15, 8:47 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:903b2513-0cc7-40c3-b734-a7803116d365@c16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I just heard bits of an interview of Rex on 1050 that was recorded
> > earlier today. The interviewer asked Rex if there was any truth to a
> > reported shoving match between him and Schotty about the play
> > calling. Rex grimly said there was no truth to it. For once, he did
> > not follow up with sweet talk about how wonderful Schotty is. IMHO,
> > Rex knows Schotty is a problem but he cant say it out loud because
> > Schotty is Woody's guy. This is some what supported by Rex's
> > intervention last season. Also supported by all the candy coating and
> > ass kissing Rex has done in the past when speaking about Shotty. You
> > can tell by his voice and language style that he's just paying
> > political lip service with all false enthusiasm that he can muster.
> > I'm betting that when all is said and done, this is the truth that
> > will come out. We just need to wait for the ligjhtbulb to go off over
> > Woody's head before they unload Shotty with a stellar review for the
> > next buyer.
>
> EUREKA....hello???? that's what I've been saying for a while now....Schott
> stayed because Woody wanted him to, and Tannenbaum is the guy wo gets to
> play the middle. Rex wanted very badly to be a head coach, maybe too badly
> for his own good and he accepted this deal. I think where you've got it
> wrong is the lightbulb going off over Woody's head.....guys like him never
> make mistakes.
papa... i think there is hope. woody wont admit to a mistake, but if
nothing else he has shown time and time again that he is willing to
take action and make changes. he is not football smart to make the
correct decision the first time around or even the second time
around... but... he is smart enough to keep making changes until
things start working... i think part of the reason woody loves schotty
is becaus he actually thinks schotty is as smart as the "experts" say
he is. now... here is why i think there is hope. there is not a
single person that would say that rex does not know what he is doing.
they may not like his bluster, but he is agknowledged as a mastermind
for designing a defense and also as a guy players love. guys respond
to him. the jets lost the ravens game, but not because of rex. the
defense played the fucking balls off. the jets special teams was
amazing. rex's star is rising and schotty is now MORE AND MORE being
called out on the sports talk shows, the blogs and the press. heck,
even johnc is may join us now. Woody needs to be hit in the head with
a hammer a few times, but he'll eventually figure it out.
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TOPIC: Clinton Portis weighs in on female reporters in the locker room.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/93a7e3fab687361d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:06 am
From: John C TX
On Sep 14, 3:54 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sep 14, 4:45 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > From DC Sports Bog:
>
> > <quote>
>
> > Which brings us to Tuesday morning, and Clinton Portis's 10:30 a.m.
> > debut on The Mike Wise Show, in this case hosted by Holden Kushner and
> > Brian Mitchell. The whole thing was great, but eventually, the topic of
> > Ines Sainz -- the reporter whose treatment in the Jets locker room has
> > become a national story -- was raised. Portis, to be fair, wasn't
> > familiar with the case, so he was offered a quick summary. Now, Mike
> > Shanahan would have said something about one game at a time. Donovan
> > McNabb's answer would have been league-approved. Here's what Portis
> > said.
>
> > "You know man, I think you put women reporters in the locker room in
> > positions to see guys walking around naked, and you sit in the locker
> > room with 53 guys, and all of the sudden you see a nice woman in the
> > locker room, I think men are gonna tend to turn and look and want to say
> > something to that woman. For the woman, I think they make it so much
> > that you can't interact and you can't be involved with athletes, you
> > can't talk to these guys, you can't interact with these guys.
>
> > "And I mean, you put a woman and you give her a choice of 53
> > athletes, somebody got to be appealing to her. You know, somebody got to
> > spark her interest, or she's gonna want somebody. I don't know what kind
> > of woman won't, if you get to go and look at 53 men's packages. And
> > you're just sitting here, saying 'Oh, none of this is attractive to me.'
> > I know you're doing a job, but at the same time, the same way I'm gonna
> > cut my eye if I see somebody worth talking to, I'm sure they do the same
> > thing."
>
> > </quote>
>
> > Words fail me.
> > --
> > graybeard
>
> "I don't know what kind of woman won't, if you get to go and look at
> 53 men's packages"
>
> i just pissed my pants
Hey he was the first one & speak up for Michael Vick.
I am not a member of the bar but this is entrapment. (g rated)
http://tinyurl.com/2dynawt
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:25 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:41a49cdc-2f89-4872-b641-db2fe4a3cfb8@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 14, 3:54 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sep 14, 4:45 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > From DC Sports Bog:
>
> > <quote>
>
> > Which brings us to Tuesday morning, and Clinton Portis's 10:30 a.m.
> > debut on The Mike Wise Show, in this case hosted by Holden Kushner and
> > Brian Mitchell. The whole thing was great, but eventually, the topic of
> > Ines Sainz -- the reporter whose treatment in the Jets locker room has
> > become a national story -- was raised. Portis, to be fair, wasn't
> > familiar with the case, so he was offered a quick summary. Now, Mike
> > Shanahan would have said something about one game at a time. Donovan
> > McNabb's answer would have been league-approved. Here's what Portis
> > said.
>
> > "You know man, I think you put women reporters in the locker room in
> > positions to see guys walking around naked, and you sit in the locker
> > room with 53 guys, and all of the sudden you see a nice woman in the
> > locker room, I think men are gonna tend to turn and look and want to say
> > something to that woman. For the woman, I think they make it so much
> > that you can't interact and you can't be involved with athletes, you
> > can't talk to these guys, you can't interact with these guys.
>
> > "And I mean, you put a woman and you give her a choice of 53
> > athletes, somebody got to be appealing to her. You know, somebody got to
> > spark her interest, or she's gonna want somebody. I don't know what kind
> > of woman won't, if you get to go and look at 53 men's packages. And
> > you're just sitting here, saying 'Oh, none of this is attractive to me.'
> > I know you're doing a job, but at the same time, the same way I'm gonna
> > cut my eye if I see somebody worth talking to, I'm sure they do the same
> > thing."
>
> > </quote>
>
> > Words fail me.
> > --
> > graybeard
>
> "I don't know what kind of woman won't, if you get to go and look at
> 53 men's packages"
>
> i just pissed my pants
Hey he was the first one & speak up for Michael Vick.
I am not a member of the bar but this is entrapment. (g rated)
http://tinyurl.com/2dynawt
The "bar" ? I'll be she is...one with a pole on the stage too.
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TOPIC: Jets' Kris Jenkins done for season
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/a7e838eace394791?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:12 am
From: John C TX
On Sep 14, 2:21 pm, "allenx" <brindle1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Ian" <spuorgelg...@ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:18eb2fac-9539-462f-aaac-f38eedbe6818@c13g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 14, 7:23 pm, "yoyodog" <connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Per ESPN:
>
> >http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5571834&campaign...
>
> > FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Kris Jenkins' season is over. You have to wonder
> > about
> > his career as well.
>
> > The New York Jets' nose tackle tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his
> > left knee Monday night against the Baltimore Ravens. It's the same knee
> > that
> > required reconstructive surgery last October, putting Jenkins' career in
> > jeopardy.
>
> > Jenkins, 31, a former Pro Bowl selection, was hurt in a first-quarter
> > pile-up. He left the game and didn't return. After the game, the Jets
> > anticipated the possibility of a season-ending injury, with one source
> > telling ESPNNewYork.com there was a 50-50 chance it would end his season.
>
> > Jenkins went for an MRI exam Tuesday morning, confirming the tear. The
> > previous injury to that knee also involved the ACL. It was repaired in
> > October with a graft, using a tendon from his hamstring. He made a strong
> > recovery, dropped more than 30 pounds and reported to training camp in
> > terrific shape at 359 pounds.
>
> > He was looking forward to a bounce-back season, but it lasted only six
> > plays. A year ago, the Jets compensated for Jenkins' absence and still
> > finished No. 1 in overall defense. But now their depth will be tested. In
> > the preseason, the Jets lost defensive end Ropati Pitoitua (Achilles
> > tendon).
>
> That's just shit news for Kris. Let's hope for a speedy recovery and
> an outcome that's best for him.
>
> --
> Ian
>
> That is most unfortunate. Hate to see anyone injured and lost for the season
> (career?)
> It it is curtains, what cap money is Jenkins carrying?
This guy:
http://www.nyjetscap.com/salary11.html
says that we will save $4.6 MM if we cut him & carry $1.8 MM in dead
money. This makes sense based on this:
2/29/2008: Signed a five-year, $30.25 million contract. The deal
contains $9.5 million guaranteed, including a $4.5 million signing
bonus, a $3.5 million first-year roster bonus, and annual workout
bonuses of $500,000. Jenkins will be weighed 10 times per season and
gets $25,000 each time he makes weight. 2010: $2.25 million, 2011:
$3.75 million, 2012: $5 million, 2013: Free Agent
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TOPIC: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/15072925f273f58f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:14 am
From: John C TX
On Sep 14, 7:18 pm, Beiselbub© <yank_ees_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 14, 5:10 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
> > Beiselbub© wrote:
> > > On Sep 14, 2:32 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > >> Being reported by ESPN.com. Deal is Maroney and the Pats' 6th round pick
> > >> in 2011 for the Bronco's 4th round pick in 2011.
>
> > > Is that all they got for him? A 4th, and threw in a 6th?
> > > Unbelievable. Belichick's reputation as a genius is utterly
> > > undeserved.
>
> > What else are they supposed to get for him? He's in the last season of
> > his contract and he's already injured.
>
> Come on, MZ. You really think Maroney is only worth upgrading a six
> to a four? On a team that routinely spends a fifth rounder on a
> player like Burgess? (Or a third rounder for a guy like Duane
> Starks?) They got hosed by Josh I-traded-away-anything-worthwhile McD.
They did well.
As I posted elsewhere I wish we had Washington to trdae right now.
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TOPIC: Maroney traded to Broncos
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/65d0ee573515fa95?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:26 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0c05ede4-0a25-44a4-a964-2f837b85070c@v23g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 14, 11:25 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 14, 8:15 pm, cloud dreamer <dont.att...@the.messenger> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 14/09/2010 9:37 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
>
> > > Laurence Maroney traded to Broncos
> > > Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 14, 2010 4:13 PM ET
> > > Patriots fans don't have Laurence Maroney to kick around anymore.
>
> > > The oft-criticized 2006 first-round pick is taking his talents to
> > > Denver,
> > > where Bill Belichick's old buddy Josh McDaniels acquired Maroney on
> > > Tuesday,
> > > according to Adam Schefter of ESPN. Compensation is unknown.
>
> > > The Patriots could afford to lose him; Maroney had fallen behind Fred
> > > Taylor,BenJarvus Green-Ellis, and Kevin Faulk on the depth chart. It's
> > > a
> > > little surprising Denver wanted him.
>
> > Wow...Yeah...it is surprising...
>
> > ..
>
> so when Fred Taylor gets injured in a week or two, Sammy Morris,
> Jarvis Green with the occasional sprinkle of Kevin Faulk will be
> there. No loss for NE.
>
> Just surprised he didn't go to Green Bay, who just lost Ryan Grant for
> the season. Belicheat probably couold have gotten greater value from
> the packers.
Another reason why it would be nice to still have Washington. If
Maroney & a 6th is worth a 4th then what is Washington worth?
Yup....good point.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 8:35 am
From: MZ
papa.carl44 wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0c05ede4-0a25-44a4-a964-2f837b85070c@v23g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 14, 11:25 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 14, 8:15 pm, cloud dreamer <dont.att...@the.messenger> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 14/09/2010 9:37 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
>>>> Laurence Maroney traded to Broncos
>>>> Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 14, 2010 4:13 PM ET
>>>> Patriots fans don't have Laurence Maroney to kick around anymore.
>>>> The oft-criticized 2006 first-round pick is taking his talents to
>>>> Denver,
>>>> where Bill Belichick's old buddy Josh McDaniels acquired Maroney on
>>>> Tuesday,
>>>> according to Adam Schefter of ESPN. Compensation is unknown.
>>>> The Patriots could afford to lose him; Maroney had fallen behind Fred
>>>> Taylor,BenJarvus Green-Ellis, and Kevin Faulk on the depth chart. It's
>>>> a
>>>> little surprising Denver wanted him.
>>> Wow...Yeah...it is surprising...
>>> ..
>> so when Fred Taylor gets injured in a week or two, Sammy Morris,
>> Jarvis Green with the occasional sprinkle of Kevin Faulk will be
>> there. No loss for NE.
>>
>> Just surprised he didn't go to Green Bay, who just lost Ryan Grant for
>> the season. Belicheat probably couold have gotten greater value from
>> the packers.
>
> Another reason why it would be nice to still have Washington. If
> Maroney & a 6th is worth a 4th then what is Washington worth?
>
> Yup....good point.
>
>
Yup, like we were just saying the other day, the RB position has become
devalued in today's NFL. A 4th isn't bad at all when Washington goes
for a 4th, Jones signs a cheap contract, etc.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 8:44 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"
"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:VvedndHZTKUteg3RnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com...
> papa.carl44 wrote:
>> "John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:0c05ede4-0a25-44a4-a964-2f837b85070c@v23g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 14, 11:25 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 14, 8:15 pm, cloud dreamer <dont.att...@the.messenger> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 14/09/2010 9:37 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
>>>>> Laurence Maroney traded to Broncos
>>>>> Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 14, 2010 4:13 PM ET
>>>>> Patriots fans don't have Laurence Maroney to kick around anymore.
>>>>> The oft-criticized 2006 first-round pick is taking his talents to
>>>>> Denver,
>>>>> where Bill Belichick's old buddy Josh McDaniels acquired Maroney on
>>>>> Tuesday,
>>>>> according to Adam Schefter of ESPN. Compensation is unknown.
>>>>> The Patriots could afford to lose him; Maroney had fallen behind Fred
>>>>> Taylor,BenJarvus Green-Ellis, and Kevin Faulk on the depth chart. It's
>>>>> a
>>>>> little surprising Denver wanted him.
>>>> Wow...Yeah...it is surprising...
>>>> ..
>>> so when Fred Taylor gets injured in a week or two, Sammy Morris,
>>> Jarvis Green with the occasional sprinkle of Kevin Faulk will be
>>> there. No loss for NE.
>>>
>>> Just surprised he didn't go to Green Bay, who just lost Ryan Grant for
>>> the season. Belicheat probably couold have gotten greater value from
>>> the packers.
>>
>> Another reason why it would be nice to still have Washington. If
>> Maroney & a 6th is worth a 4th then what is Washington worth?
>>
>> Yup....good point.
>
> Yup, like we were just saying the other day, the RB position has become
> devalued in today's NFL. A 4th isn't bad at all when Washington goes for
> a 4th, Jones signs a cheap contract, etc.
a 4th is good for a guy who wasn't dressed for the game.
he had clearly fallen to 4th on the depth chart.
Maroney looked like he'd been good when he came in, just shows how hit and
miss the draft is.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 9:00 am
From: "MLD"
"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:i6qpl9$c86$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
> news:VvedndHZTKUteg3RnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>> "John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:0c05ede4-0a25-44a4-a964-2f837b85070c@v23g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 14, 11:25 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 14, 8:15 pm, cloud dreamer <dont.att...@the.messenger> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 14/09/2010 9:37 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
>>>>>> Laurence Maroney traded to Broncos
>>>>>> Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 14, 2010 4:13 PM ET
>>>>>> Patriots fans don't have Laurence Maroney to kick around anymore.
>>>>>> The oft-criticized 2006 first-round pick is taking his talents to
>>>>>> Denver,
>>>>>> where Bill Belichick's old buddy Josh McDaniels acquired Maroney on
>>>>>> Tuesday,
>>>>>> according to Adam Schefter of ESPN. Compensation is unknown.
>>>>>> The Patriots could afford to lose him; Maroney had fallen behind Fred
>>>>>> Taylor,BenJarvus Green-Ellis, and Kevin Faulk on the depth chart.
>>>>>> It's a
>>>>>> little surprising Denver wanted him.
>>>>> Wow...Yeah...it is surprising...
>>>>> ..
>>>> so when Fred Taylor gets injured in a week or two, Sammy Morris,
>>>> Jarvis Green with the occasional sprinkle of Kevin Faulk will be
>>>> there. No loss for NE.
>>>>
>>>> Just surprised he didn't go to Green Bay, who just lost Ryan Grant for
>>>> the season. Belicheat probably couold have gotten greater value from
>>>> the packers.
>>>
>>> Another reason why it would be nice to still have Washington. If
>>> Maroney & a 6th is worth a 4th then what is Washington worth?
>>>
>>> Yup....good point.
>>
>> Yup, like we were just saying the other day, the RB position has become
>> devalued in today's NFL. A 4th isn't bad at all when Washington goes for
>> a 4th, Jones signs a cheap contract, etc.
>
>
> a 4th is good for a guy who wasn't dressed for the game.
> he had clearly fallen to 4th on the depth chart.
>
> Maroney looked like he'd been good when he came in, just shows how hit and
> miss the draft is.
>
Aside from his first year, Maroney has gone from a good power runner to one
that hesitates at the line, tip-toeing around in the backfield looking for
the big hole. Can't be depended on to make the 3rd and 2 type of yards
anymore. Every once in a while he'll burst through the line like the old
Maroney but these times have been few and far in between. While Taylor and
Morris are good and could do the job, the problem is that neither one of
them can last too long without getting bitten by the injury bug.
Could be that with the new (tight end) receivers, the running game is taking
a big back seat. You'll probably see that philosophy in action next Sunday.
Get to/hurry Brady and it will be the Jets in a cake walk.
MLD
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 9:01 am
From: MZ
Ray O'Hara wrote:
> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
> news:VvedndHZTKUteg3RnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>> "John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:0c05ede4-0a25-44a4-a964-2f837b85070c@v23g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 14, 11:25 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 14, 8:15 pm, cloud dreamer <dont.att...@the.messenger> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 14/09/2010 9:37 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
>>>>>> Laurence Maroney traded to Broncos
>>>>>> Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 14, 2010 4:13 PM ET
>>>>>> Patriots fans don't have Laurence Maroney to kick around anymore.
>>>>>> The oft-criticized 2006 first-round pick is taking his talents to
>>>>>> Denver,
>>>>>> where Bill Belichick's old buddy Josh McDaniels acquired Maroney on
>>>>>> Tuesday,
>>>>>> according to Adam Schefter of ESPN. Compensation is unknown.
>>>>>> The Patriots could afford to lose him; Maroney had fallen behind Fred
>>>>>> Taylor,BenJarvus Green-Ellis, and Kevin Faulk on the depth chart. It's
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> little surprising Denver wanted him.
>>>>> Wow...Yeah...it is surprising...
>>>>> ..
>>>> so when Fred Taylor gets injured in a week or two, Sammy Morris,
>>>> Jarvis Green with the occasional sprinkle of Kevin Faulk will be
>>>> there. No loss for NE.
>>>>
>>>> Just surprised he didn't go to Green Bay, who just lost Ryan Grant for
>>>> the season. Belicheat probably couold have gotten greater value from
>>>> the packers.
>>> Another reason why it would be nice to still have Washington. If
>>> Maroney & a 6th is worth a 4th then what is Washington worth?
>>>
>>> Yup....good point.
>> Yup, like we were just saying the other day, the RB position has become
>> devalued in today's NFL. A 4th isn't bad at all when Washington goes for
>> a 4th, Jones signs a cheap contract, etc.
>
>
> a 4th is good for a guy who wasn't dressed for the game.
> he had clearly fallen to 4th on the depth chart.
>
> Maroney looked like he'd been good when he came in, just shows how hit and
> miss the draft is.
>
>
Mike Reiss made a good point today. Maroney had a few dominant games.
You can't get dominant games out of a "bust". Dude ran with authority
on many occasions, as recently as last season (and then the fumbles
came...). Maroney is definitely an enigma. He's probably a head case,
which might be why Belichick was shopping him.
==============================================================================
TOPIC: A couple of shots at Schott...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/b71bbc07fe482338?hl=en
==============================================================================
== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:27 am
From: buRford
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:01:04 -0400, Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote:
>In article <ebiv86h7jeleh2aiarkic05c9o9ov1u8f3@4ax.com>,
> buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>> Still nobody on the beat, dares to question Schott... but here's a couple of
>> blog posts...
>>
>>
>> http://bit.ly/aGoWoa
>> New York Jets: Schottenheimer-Led O Doesn't Have One 300-Yard Passer Since
>> 2006
>> By Sean Sheppard
>>
>> Brian Schottenheimer has been the offensive coordinator of the New York Jets
>> since 2006,
>> making the 2010-2011 season his 5th year on the job. In his four full years,
>> the
>> following quarterbacks have lined up under center: Chad Pennington, Kellen
>> Clemens, Brett
>> Favre, Brad Smith, Brooks Bollinger and Mark Sanchez.
>>
>> Now I know there's only one hall of famer in the bunch (Favre), but Chad
>> Pennington
>> enjoyed a productive career (when he wasn't out for the season with yet
>> another shoulder
>> injury).
>>
>> My point in listing all these QB's is that there is enough talent among them
>> to have
>> passed for several 300 yard games apiece over the years right? At least with
>> Pennington
>> and Favre, right? Well if you think so you're wrong.
>>
>> Since 2006, the only Jets QB that has thrown for 300 yards in a game is Chad
>> Pennington,
>> and he did it 4 times, all in 2006. There hasn't been one 300 passing game
>> by a Jet QB
>> since 2006. Not even by the game's greatest gun slinger, Brett Favre.
>>
>> I personally think this stat is amazing.
>>
>> The Jets have had enough talent at the wide receiver position, at the tight
>> end position
>> and on the offensive line where there really is no reason why it is nearly
>> impossible for
>> a Jet quarterback to throw for 300 yards in a game. Well there is one
>> reason.
>>
>> Brian Schottenheimer.
>>
>> When the Jets got rid of Laveranues Coles and Santana Moss, they immediately
>> made the pro
>> bowl with the Washington Redskins. It's not that they didn't have pro bowl
>> talent while
>> playing with the Jets; they did. It's just that for some reason, they never
>> reached their
>> maximum potential playing in the Jet's offense, no matter who the O.C. was
>> (Moss did not
>> play in Schottenheimer's system).
>>
>> When Chad Pennington signed with the Dolphins, many questioned his ability to
>> play
>> quarterback at a high level. By the time he left the Jets, many fans,
>> including myself,
>> wanted to be rid of Pennington's weak arm and injury prone shoulder.
>>
>> I remember Chad saying at the time (I'm paraphrasing), "people who know this
>> game know the
>> circumstances under which I play." It's as if Chad was trying to tell us all
>> something
>> about Schottenheimer on his way out the door. Chad Pennington, with the
>> pop-gun arm,
>> wound up throwing for several 300 yard games for the Dolphins during his
>> first year with
>> the ball club. Check the stats, it's true. Hmmmm….pop-gun arm? Or crappy
>> offensive
>> system in New York?
>>
>> Fast forward to the Jets' Monday Night game against the Ravens. If all
>> things, good or
>> bad, start at the top, then Rex Ryan cannot be excused for the team's poor
>> performance on
>> offense, penalties etc. But a closer look at the Jets reveals something very
>> telling.
>>
>> Rex Ryan runs the Jets' defense. The Jets' defense is the strongest unit on
>> the team. If
>> not for the defense, the Jets would have had a sub .500 record in 2009 and
>> been blown out
>> in tonight's game against the Ravens. I have no problem with the man running
>> the defense.
>>
>> Mike Westhoff runs special teams, and the Jets, under Westhoff's
>> dictatorship, have been
>> one of the top special teams units in the entire NFL year after year.
>> Against the Ravens,
>> Steve Weatherford, the Jets' punter, looked like a pro bowler compared to
>> 2009, Nick Folk
>> was perfect in field goal attempts (despite his surprisingly weak kickoffs)
>> the coverage
>> teams were solid and Jim Leonhard's sparkling punt return featured crushing
>> blocks by
>> Dwight Lowery and John Conner. The special team units were solid as usual.
>> I have no
>> problem with the man running special teams.
>>
>> This takes us to Brian Schottenheimer, who oversees the Jets' offense. The
>> Jets' offense,
>> year after year, has been their Achilles heel, regardless of the
>> quarterbacks, wide
>> receivers, tight ends, running backs or offensive linemen on the team.
>> Sure, the Jets
>> have figured out how to run the ball effectively over the past couple of
>> years. They ran
>> it amazingly well in 2009, leading the entire NFL in rushing yards per game.
>> When the Jets
>> needed a yard in 2009 , they FINALLY got it against the Chargers (long
>> suffering Jet fans
>> know all about the team's history with 3rd &1 and 4th & 1).
>>
>> But the passing game? Well as I mentioned, the Jets have not had a 300 yard
>> passer since
>> 2006 despite having pro bowl talent on the offensive line, at the wide
>> receiver position
>> AND at QB (Favre was a pro bowler during his one year with the team). So if
>> a team has
>> players with talent yet continues to struggle in the passing game, who is to
>> blame?
>>
>> When a girl keeps dating creeps, at some point she has to look in the mirror
>> and realize
>> it's not the creep's fault that she keeps picking them. She's the common
>> denominator in
>> all her relationships.
>>
>> When the only constant about the offense since 2006 has been the offensive
>> coordinator,
>> despite pro bowl talent at his disposal, he's to blame. Plain and simple.
>>
>> I'm amazed that no one writes about this! NOT ONE 300 YARD PASSER SINCE
>> 2006!!! Yes, I
>> know Sanchez was, at times, an interception machine in 2009, but he was a
>> rookie and
>> that's to be expected. But Schottenheimer has had seasoned quarterbacks (one
>> with a hall
>> of fame resume) to work with and it seems like the quarterbacks, when
>> successful, are
>> successful in spite of the system, not because of it.
>>
>> Tom Brady, it has been said, is successful in large part due to Belichick's
>> system.
>> Spurrier's college QB's are successful due to his system. Schottenheimer's
>> system? Well,
>> it appears if you're a QB, a wide receiver or tight end in his system, it's
>> akin to being
>> sent to a super max prison: you can't break out no matter what you do.
>>
>> You won't be throwing for 300 yards in a game any time soon if you're a QB
>> and you won't
>> be catching 80 balls in a season if you're a wide receiver or a tight end.
>>
>> And I don't want to hear about the Jets being a running team. Could it be
>> that the Jets
>> are a running team because they can't pass with any consistency in
>> Schottenheimer's
>> offense?
>>
>> Every offensive coordinator around the league seems to be adept at creating
>> mismatches
>> against opposing defenses. Not Schottenheimer. There have been countless
>> times over the
>> years when the Jets have gone against a defense with a depleted or extremely
>> green
>> secondary (as they did against the Ravens on Monday Night) – and have never
>> capitalized
>> (and they didn't on Monday Night, once again). Mismatches in the Jets' favor
>> are rarely
>> if ever exploited (Dustin Keller is a mismatch against anyone covering him),
>> and it
>> appears as if the Jets are fairly easy to prepare for.
>>
>> When you watch the Jets as often as I do (live or on tape), it seems as if
>> they have 10
>> pass plays - total. I think Brian Schottenheimer is a nice enough person
>> based on
>> appearances, but the bottom line is that his unit is running anchor leg on
>> the Jets team.
>> The offense is an albatross around the team's neck, and I'll say it again:
>> the only
>> constant about the Jets' offense since 2006 is – Brian Schottenheimer.
>>
>> The Jets certainly have no need to panic. They lost one game, their first
>> game of the
>> year, by 1 point. Their defense was great again despite the penalties and
>> their defensive
>> secondary play will improve with more time in the system (remember, Cromartie
>> and Wilson
>> are brand new and Wilson is a rookie).
>>
>> But the fact remains that Brian Schottenheimer is a seasoned veteran and a
>> known
>> commodity. His total body of work as an offensive coordinator has been less
>> than stellar.
>> Rex Ryan, in his first year running the Jets defense, produced the number 1
>> defense in the
>> NFL.
>>
>> Brian Schottenheimer has been the O.C. since 2006, and although his position
>> with the Jets
>> is the first O.C. job of his career, he's had 4 years to produce a top 5
>> offense and
>> hasn't come close to accomplishing that feat.
>>
>> Say whatever you want about Sanchez. He's young and learning. He's going to
>> make
>> mistakes, yet at times, has shown flashes of brilliance. I just don't feel
>> that
>> Schottenheimer is doing the kid any favors. Based on his track record, I
>> don't see the
>> Jets scaring anyone in the passing game as long as he is the O.C. of the NYJ.
>>
>>
>> Not one 300 yard passer since 2006. You can't just point to the Jets
>> quarterback(s)
>> anymore.
>>
>> *****************************************************************************
>>
>> Where I Consider My Hurtful Remarks About Brian Schottenheimer
>> By Andrew Weiss on 14. Sep, 2010
>> http://bit.ly/bgCGzZ
>>
>> Some of you wrote that I was a little-er-strong in my criticism of Brian
>> Schottenheimer
>> last night. In the cold light of day, let's think about it. In the NFL, the
>> only thing you
>> have to show for your work is performance. Everything else is just
>> speculation. So let's
>> look at the actual performance of our esteemed Offensive Coordinator. Let's
>> look at the
>> body of work.
>>
>> Naturally, we're only interested in BS in his present position. At San Diego,
>> where he is
>> given credit for rearing Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, he was working with
>> another man's
>> system. He was only the QB coach. So, how those QBs performed is only
>> relevant to the
>> systems they were executing. Brian doesn't get credit for Rivers and Brees
>> because Matt
>> Cavanaugh, the Jets QB coach, shouldn't be blamed for last night.
>>
>> So let's look at Brian Schottenheimer's system, his body of work as an
>> Offensive
>> Coordinator. His first crack was his present job, with the New York Jets,
>> which he got in
>> 2006.
>>
>> Sean Sheppard has written a piece this morning on Brian Schottenheimer's
>> career
>> performance as OC on a game-by-game basis. His conclusion? "Brian
>> Schottenheimer Led
>> Offenses: Not One 300 Yard Passer Since 2006!" That's right, according to
>> Sean, the Jets
>> have not had a 300-yard passer since 2006, and that's under two different
>> coaches with two
>> different philosophies. Not only that, two of his quarterbacks were proven
>> winners who
>> both went on to produce 300-yard games after they left the Jets. It's a great
>> piece and I
>> recommend that you read it (here).
>>
>> Sean didn't go into Schotty's season standings. How have his offenses done
>> since he became
>> an offensive coordinator?
>>
>> The overall ranking (total yards) for Brian Schottenheimer' offenses in the
>> past four
>> years (2006 – 2009) is 25, 26, 16, 20. That's never higher than sixteenth in
>> a league of
>> 32 teams. In case you're wondering, the 16 was the year that Favre was here
>> and the
>> offense had to be "simplified" for the Mississippi mauler, who was accused of
>> being
>> unwilling to study hard. So, on average, BS offenses (Jets' offenses) have
>> ranked 22nd in
>> a 32-team league. As for passing, Brian Schottenheimer's specialty, the
>> rankings were 17,
>> 25, 16 and 31—sixteenth with Favre, 31st with the rookie, Sanchez. The
>> average? 22nd in a
>> 32-team league. Consistent, if nothing else. As for rushing, there's been
>> continual
>> improvement from 20th in 2006, when he took over, to first, last year, an
>> average of 12th.
>> Well, at least he can do that.
>>
>> What about mentoring and guiding quarterbacks? When Schotty took over in
>> 2006, his
>> quarterback was Chad Pennington returning from injury. Chad's 2006 season was
>> a
>> respectable twelfth. Not bad, huh? Except Chad had never ranked lower than
>> eleventh in his
>> career which included a number one ranking in 2002. The following year under
>> Schottenheimer, 2007, Chad ranked an inexplicable 15th. The team decided he
>> was fragile
>> and probably done, so they let him go and brought in Favre, who promptly
>> ranked 21st among
>> quarterbacks in Schottenheimer's simplified scheme. Just a couple of
>> washed-up veterans,
>> right? Except, Chad Pennington would rank second with Miami's poor receiving
>> corps, once
>> he left the Jets in 2008, and Brett Favre, would rank second in 2009, when he
>> went to
>> Minnesota. Sanchez, who showed so much promise in the first few games of the
>> '09 season,
>> wound up 28th. For those of you who like trends, since Brian Schottenheimer
>> got here five
>> years ago, his quarterbacks have ranked 12, 15, 21 and 28, and after
>> yesterday's
>> performance, 31st. We appear to be on a trend that will set a record, ranking
>> 33rd out of
>> a possible 32 teams.
>>
>> So it doesn't look promising. It is axiomatic that the best predictor of
>> future
>> performance is past performance. If that's the case, the Super bowl is off
>> the table. The
>> Ravens, who had no offense to speak of, yet who won the Super Bowl in 2000,
>> were ranked
>> sixteenth in the league in total offense that year. The Jets have only
>> sniffed that lofty
>> ranking once under Schottenheimer, and that was with a Hall of Famer at QB.
>>
>> So get used to it. If you want to go to the Super Bowl, Rex or Tanny or
>> somebody over in
>> Florham Park will have to face facts. The numbers don't lie.
>
>Thanks for posting this. I was going to and forgot.
>
>The absence of this from the NY Papers is one of the most significant
>evidences that the NY reporters are lazy, incompetent, and do not know
>football.
>
>h
It really is kinda amazing that to the Media types, the bad offense is all on Sanchez.
Like what he does isn't what he's been taught to do.
And you know I'm not Sanchez' biggest fan, but ignoring reality, and lambasting a 23
yr-old kid for this offense, is ludicrous.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:35 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-A347F4.10010415092010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <ebiv86h7jeleh2aiarkic05c9o9ov1u8f3@4ax.com>,
> buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>> Still nobody on the beat, dares to question Schott... but here's a couple
>> of
>> blog posts...
>>
>>
>> http://bit.ly/aGoWoa
>> New York Jets: Schottenheimer-Led O Doesn't Have One 300-Yard Passer
>> Since
>> 2006
>> By Sean Sheppard
>>
>> Brian Schottenheimer has been the offensive coordinator of the New York
>> Jets
>> since 2006,
>> making the 2010-2011 season his 5th year on the job. In his four full
>> years,
>> the
>> following quarterbacks have lined up under center: Chad Pennington,
>> Kellen
>> Clemens, Brett
>> Favre, Brad Smith, Brooks Bollinger and Mark Sanchez.
>>
>> Now I know there's only one hall of famer in the bunch (Favre), but Chad
>> Pennington
>> enjoyed a productive career (when he wasn't out for the season with yet
>> another shoulder
>> injury).
>>
>> My point in listing all these QB's is that there is enough talent among
>> them
>> to have
>> passed for several 300 yard games apiece over the years right? At least
>> with
>> Pennington
>> and Favre, right? Well if you think so you're wrong.
>>
>> Since 2006, the only Jets QB that has thrown for 300 yards in a game is
>> Chad
>> Pennington,
>> and he did it 4 times, all in 2006. There hasn't been one 300 passing
>> game
>> by a Jet QB
>> since 2006. Not even by the game's greatest gun slinger, Brett Favre.
>>
>> I personally think this stat is amazing.
>>
>> The Jets have had enough talent at the wide receiver position, at the
>> tight
>> end position
>> and on the offensive line where there really is no reason why it is
>> nearly
>> impossible for
>> a Jet quarterback to throw for 300 yards in a game. Well there is one
>> reason.
>>
>> Brian Schottenheimer.
>>
>> When the Jets got rid of Laveranues Coles and Santana Moss, they
>> immediately
>> made the pro
>> bowl with the Washington Redskins. It's not that they didn't have pro
>> bowl
>> talent while
>> playing with the Jets; they did. It's just that for some reason, they
>> never
>> reached their
>> maximum potential playing in the Jet's offense, no matter who the O.C.
>> was
>> (Moss did not
>> play in Schottenheimer's system).
>>
>> When Chad Pennington signed with the Dolphins, many questioned his
>> ability to
>> play
>> quarterback at a high level. By the time he left the Jets, many fans,
>> including myself,
>> wanted to be rid of Pennington's weak arm and injury prone shoulder.
>>
>> I remember Chad saying at the time (I'm paraphrasing), "people who know
>> this
>> game know the
>> circumstances under which I play." It's as if Chad was trying to tell us
>> all
>> something
>> about Schottenheimer on his way out the door. Chad Pennington, with the
>> pop-gun arm,
>> wound up throwing for several 300 yard games for the Dolphins during his
>> first year with
>> the ball club. Check the stats, it's true. Hmmmm..pop-gun arm? Or
>> crappy
>> offensive
>> system in New York?
>>
>> Fast forward to the Jets' Monday Night game against the Ravens. If all
>> things, good or
>> bad, start at the top, then Rex Ryan cannot be excused for the team's
>> poor
>> performance on
>> offense, penalties etc. But a closer look at the Jets reveals something
>> very
>> telling.
>>
>> Rex Ryan runs the Jets' defense. The Jets' defense is the strongest unit
>> on
>> the team. If
>> not for the defense, the Jets would have had a sub .500 record in 2009
>> and
>> been blown out
>> in tonight's game against the Ravens. I have no problem with the man
>> running
>> the defense.
>>
>> Mike Westhoff runs special teams, and the Jets, under Westhoff's
>> dictatorship, have been
>> one of the top special teams units in the entire NFL year after year.
>> Against the Ravens,
>> Steve Weatherford, the Jets' punter, looked like a pro bowler compared to
>> 2009, Nick Folk
>> was perfect in field goal attempts (despite his surprisingly weak
>> kickoffs)
>> the coverage
>> teams were solid and Jim Leonhard's sparkling punt return featured
>> crushing
>> blocks by
>> Dwight Lowery and John Conner. The special team units were solid as
>> usual.
>> I have no
>> problem with the man running special teams.
>>
>> This takes us to Brian Schottenheimer, who oversees the Jets' offense.
>> The
>> Jets' offense,
>> year after year, has been their Achilles heel, regardless of the
>> quarterbacks, wide
>> receivers, tight ends, running backs or offensive linemen on the team.
>> Sure, the Jets
>> have figured out how to run the ball effectively over the past couple of
>> years. They ran
>> it amazingly well in 2009, leading the entire NFL in rushing yards per
>> game.
>> When the Jets
>> needed a yard in 2009 , they FINALLY got it against the Chargers (long
>> suffering Jet fans
>> know all about the team's history with 3rd &1 and 4th & 1).
>>
>> But the passing game? Well as I mentioned, the Jets have not had a 300
>> yard
>> passer since
>> 2006 despite having pro bowl talent on the offensive line, at the wide
>> receiver position
>> AND at QB (Favre was a pro bowler during his one year with the team). So
>> if
>> a team has
>> players with talent yet continues to struggle in the passing game, who is
>> to
>> blame?
>>
>> When a girl keeps dating creeps, at some point she has to look in the
>> mirror
>> and realize
>> it's not the creep's fault that she keeps picking them. She's the common
>> denominator in
>> all her relationships.
>>
>> When the only constant about the offense since 2006 has been the
>> offensive
>> coordinator,
>> despite pro bowl talent at his disposal, he's to blame. Plain and
>> simple.
>>
>> I'm amazed that no one writes about this! NOT ONE 300 YARD PASSER SINCE
>> 2006!!! Yes, I
>> know Sanchez was, at times, an interception machine in 2009, but he was a
>> rookie and
>> that's to be expected. But Schottenheimer has had seasoned quarterbacks
>> (one
>> with a hall
>> of fame resume) to work with and it seems like the quarterbacks, when
>> successful, are
>> successful in spite of the system, not because of it.
>>
>> Tom Brady, it has been said, is successful in large part due to
>> Belichick's
>> system.
>> Spurrier's college QB's are successful due to his system.
>> Schottenheimer's
>> system? Well,
>> it appears if you're a QB, a wide receiver or tight end in his system,
>> it's
>> akin to being
>> sent to a super max prison: you can't break out no matter what you do.
>>
>> You won't be throwing for 300 yards in a game any time soon if you're a
>> QB
>> and you won't
>> be catching 80 balls in a season if you're a wide receiver or a tight
>> end.
>>
>> And I don't want to hear about the Jets being a running team. Could it
>> be
>> that the Jets
>> are a running team because they can't pass with any consistency in
>> Schottenheimer's
>> offense?
>>
>> Every offensive coordinator around the league seems to be adept at
>> creating
>> mismatches
>> against opposing defenses. Not Schottenheimer. There have been
>> countless
>> times over the
>> years when the Jets have gone against a defense with a depleted or
>> extremely
>> green
>> secondary (as they did against the Ravens on Monday Night) - and have
>> never
>> capitalized
>> (and they didn't on Monday Night, once again). Mismatches in the Jets'
>> favor
>> are rarely
>> if ever exploited (Dustin Keller is a mismatch against anyone covering
>> him),
>> and it
>> appears as if the Jets are fairly easy to prepare for.
>>
>> When you watch the Jets as often as I do (live or on tape), it seems as
>> if
>> they have 10
>> pass plays - total. I think Brian Schottenheimer is a nice enough person
>> based on
>> appearances, but the bottom line is that his unit is running anchor leg
>> on
>> the Jets team.
>> The offense is an albatross around the team's neck, and I'll say it
>> again:
>> the only
>> constant about the Jets' offense since 2006 is - Brian Schottenheimer.
>>
>> The Jets certainly have no need to panic. They lost one game, their
>> first
>> game of the
>> year, by 1 point. Their defense was great again despite the penalties
>> and
>> their defensive
>> secondary play will improve with more time in the system (remember,
>> Cromartie
>> and Wilson
>> are brand new and Wilson is a rookie).
>>
>> But the fact remains that Brian Schottenheimer is a seasoned veteran and
>> a
>> known
>> commodity. His total body of work as an offensive coordinator has been
>> less
>> than stellar.
>> Rex Ryan, in his first year running the Jets defense, produced the number
>> 1
>> defense in the
>> NFL.
>>
>> Brian Schottenheimer has been the O.C. since 2006, and although his
>> position
>> with the Jets
>> is the first O.C. job of his career, he's had 4 years to produce a top 5
>> offense and
>> hasn't come close to accomplishing that feat.
>>
>> Say whatever you want about Sanchez. He's young and learning. He's
>> going to
>> make
>> mistakes, yet at times, has shown flashes of brilliance. I just don't
>> feel
>> that
>> Schottenheimer is doing the kid any favors. Based on his track record, I
>> don't see the
>> Jets scaring anyone in the passing game as long as he is the O.C. of the
>> NYJ.
>>
>>
>> Not one 300 yard passer since 2006. You can't just point to the Jets
>> quarterback(s)
>> anymore.
>>
>> *****************************************************************************
>>
>> Where I Consider My Hurtful Remarks About Brian Schottenheimer
>> By Andrew Weiss on 14. Sep, 2010
>> http://bit.ly/bgCGzZ
>>
>> Some of you wrote that I was a little-er-strong in my criticism of Brian
>> Schottenheimer
>> last night. In the cold light of day, let's think about it. In the NFL,
>> the
>> only thing you
>> have to show for your work is performance. Everything else is just
>> speculation. So let's
>> look at the actual performance of our esteemed Offensive Coordinator.
>> Let's
>> look at the
>> body of work.
>>
>> Naturally, we're only interested in BS in his present position. At San
>> Diego,
>> where he is
>> given credit for rearing Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, he was working
>> with
>> another man's
>> system. He was only the QB coach. So, how those QBs performed is only
>> relevant to the
>> systems they were executing. Brian doesn't get credit for Rivers and
>> Brees
>> because Matt
>> Cavanaugh, the Jets QB coach, shouldn't be blamed for last night.
>>
>> So let's look at Brian Schottenheimer's system, his body of work as an
>> Offensive
>> Coordinator. His first crack was his present job, with the New York Jets,
>> which he got in
>> 2006.
>>
>> Sean Sheppard has written a piece this morning on Brian Schottenheimer's
>> career
>> performance as OC on a game-by-game basis. His conclusion? "Brian
>> Schottenheimer Led
>> Offenses: Not One 300 Yard Passer Since 2006!" That's right, according to
>> Sean, the Jets
>> have not had a 300-yard passer since 2006, and that's under two different
>> coaches with two
>> different philosophies. Not only that, two of his quarterbacks were
>> proven
>> winners who
>> both went on to produce 300-yard games after they left the Jets. It's a
>> great
>> piece and I
>> recommend that you read it (here).
>>
>> Sean didn't go into Schotty's season standings. How have his offenses
>> done
>> since he became
>> an offensive coordinator?
>>
>> The overall ranking (total yards) for Brian Schottenheimer' offenses in
>> the
>> past four
>> years (2006 - 2009) is 25, 26, 16, 20. That's never higher than sixteenth
>> in
>> a league of
>> 32 teams. In case you're wondering, the 16 was the year that Favre was
>> here
>> and the
>> offense had to be "simplified" for the Mississippi mauler, who was
>> accused of
>> being
>> unwilling to study hard. So, on average, BS offenses (Jets' offenses)
>> have
>> ranked 22nd in
>> a 32-team league. As for passing, Brian Schottenheimer's specialty, the
>> rankings were 17,
>> 25, 16 and 31-sixteenth with Favre, 31st with the rookie, Sanchez. The
>> average? 22nd in a
>> 32-team league. Consistent, if nothing else. As for rushing, there's been
>> continual
>> improvement from 20th in 2006, when he took over, to first, last year, an
>> average of 12th.
>> Well, at least he can do that.
>>
>> What about mentoring and guiding quarterbacks? When Schotty took over in
>> 2006, his
>> quarterback was Chad Pennington returning from injury. Chad's 2006 season
>> was
>> a
>> respectable twelfth. Not bad, huh? Except Chad had never ranked lower
>> than
>> eleventh in his
>> career which included a number one ranking in 2002. The following year
>> under
>> Schottenheimer, 2007, Chad ranked an inexplicable 15th. The team decided
>> he
>> was fragile
>> and probably done, so they let him go and brought in Favre, who promptly
>> ranked 21st among
>> quarterbacks in Schottenheimer's simplified scheme. Just a couple of
>> washed-up veterans,
>> right? Except, Chad Pennington would rank second with Miami's poor
>> receiving
>> corps, once
>> he left the Jets in 2008, and Brett Favre, would rank second in 2009,
>> when he
>> went to
>> Minnesota. Sanchez, who showed so much promise in the first few games of
>> the
>> '09 season,
>> wound up 28th. For those of you who like trends, since Brian
>> Schottenheimer
>> got here five
>> years ago, his quarterbacks have ranked 12, 15, 21 and 28, and after
>> yesterday's
>> performance, 31st. We appear to be on a trend that will set a record,
>> ranking
>> 33rd out of
>> a possible 32 teams.
>>
>> So it doesn't look promising. It is axiomatic that the best predictor of
>> future
>> performance is past performance. If that's the case, the Super bowl is
>> off
>> the table. The
>> Ravens, who had no offense to speak of, yet who won the Super Bowl in
>> 2000,
>> were ranked
>> sixteenth in the league in total offense that year. The Jets have only
>> sniffed that lofty
>> ranking once under Schottenheimer, and that was with a Hall of Famer at
>> QB.
>>
>> So get used to it. If you want to go to the Super Bowl, Rex or Tanny or
>> somebody over in
>> Florham Park will have to face facts. The numbers don't lie.
>
> Thanks for posting this. I was going to and forgot.
>
> The absence of this from the NY Papers is one of the most significant
> evidences that the NY reporters are lazy, incompetent, and do not know
> football.
>
> h
So, you buy this, but my point that Schott has to be protected is bogus????
Come on. He got to stay ! He has never been successful at this job.
Somebody likes him, and somebody looks after him. Who?
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TOPIC: It's as Much - If Not More - Rex as Schott
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:31 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-C0CC58.09585215092010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <w8udnZtVSdIPWQ3RnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
>> news:G9GdnYnwpaQ6SRLRnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> > JetsLife wrote:
>> >> Presumably Schott gets his marching orders from Rex.
>> >>
>> >> If folks are going to beat up Schott - I'm one of then - we should
>> >> start with Rex. He's the boss. I said several weeks ago: Rex's
>> >> potential fatal flaw is he permits his offense to malinger. That
>> >> doesn't cut it in today's game.
>> >
>> > Does Rex have the ability to hire and fire? I think it's Tannenbaum's
>> > call. And obviously Woody's. We don't know whose choice it is to keep
>> > Schott around.
>>
>> Absolutely right. And just the fact that Schott stayed when Rex came in
>> tells me a lot....like he was the best available out there for Rex????
>> Schott's play scared and safe offense does NOT fit Rex's personality and
>> coaching style at all. I'd bet the house that Woody pulls these strings.
>
> Papa, this is bogus. All Rex has to do is throw lil Shott under the bus
> and blame him for the inept game plan and play calls we see. No way
> Tanny or Woody would get in the way then with the mediaots calling for
> Shott's head.
>
> If he doesn't want to leave it up to mediaots, he can take play calling
> or even game planning responsibilities away from him.
>
> Rex is the HC. He is responsible for everything that happens regarding
> his team. From personnel, to playing time, to training players how to
> behave and perform, and for the game plans in all three phases of the
> game.
>
> Rex is responsible because if he doesn't like what lil Shott is doing,
> and if anyone is satisfied they are incompetent or a fan of another
> team, he is the one person who can single handedly do something about it.
>
> Harlan
Harlan...who are the "mediots" calling for Schott's head? Maybe Rex doesn't
feel secure himself in offensive game planning. He could give it to
Callahan but if Schott is entrenched that would also be a problem. IF Rex
does something I'm wrong. If he doesn't and the play calling and poor
offensive performance continues, then you explain it to me. To be honest, I
can't follow your last paragraph. Who is satisfied with Schott? Who is a
fan of another team? You like this word bogus don't you? How do you know
it's bogus? It's a theory, a possibility and I want to hear yours when
Schott hangs around and nothing changes. I really hope I'm wrong...I hope
we hear soon that Rex has taken charge.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 8:27 am
From: MZ
Harlan Lachman wrote:
> In article <w8udnZtVSdIPWQ3RnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
>> news:G9GdnYnwpaQ6SRLRnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> JetsLife wrote:
>>>> Presumably Schott gets his marching orders from Rex.
>>>>
>>>> If folks are going to beat up Schott - I'm one of then - we should
>>>> start with Rex. He's the boss. I said several weeks ago: Rex's
>>>> potential fatal flaw is he permits his offense to malinger. That
>>>> doesn't cut it in today's game.
>>> Does Rex have the ability to hire and fire? I think it's Tannenbaum's
>>> call. And obviously Woody's. We don't know whose choice it is to keep
>>> Schott around.
>> Absolutely right. And just the fact that Schott stayed when Rex came in
>> tells me a lot....like he was the best available out there for Rex????
>> Schott's play scared and safe offense does NOT fit Rex's personality and
>> coaching style at all. I'd bet the house that Woody pulls these strings.
>
> Papa, this is bogus. All Rex has to do is throw lil Shott under the bus
> and blame him for the inept game plan and play calls we see. No way
> Tanny or Woody would get in the way then with the mediaots calling for
> Shott's head.
>
> If he doesn't want to leave it up to mediaots, he can take play calling
> or even game planning responsibilities away from him.
>
> Rex is the HC. He is responsible for everything that happens regarding
> his team. From personnel, to playing time, to training players how to
> behave and perform, and for the game plans in all three phases of the
> game.
>
> Rex is responsible because if he doesn't like what lil Shott is doing,
> and if anyone is satisfied they are incompetent or a fan of another
> team, he is the one person who can single handedly do something about it.
>
> Harlan
When has Rex ever thrown a player or a coach or anyone else he's worked
with under the bus??
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TOPIC: Is it me or did Sanchez look like David Car ???
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:47 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-98C674.09470515092010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article
> <ee17d68f-acb6-4320-b51a-25952b97311d@v23g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
> Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 14, 11:37 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Sep 14, 10:06 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Sep 14, 10:04 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > On Sep 14, 8:51 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > I'm trying to figure out here if I want to blast Schotty, Sanchez
>> > > > > or
>> > > > > both. Are they just giving Sanchez garbage plays to run, or is
>> > > > > Schotty justified in keeping Sanchez from passing because he has
>> > > > > not
>> > > > > proven he is a disaster waiting to happen when he throws ??? Or
>> > > > > is
>> > > > > Sanchez being badly coached ???
>> >
>> > > > I think Schott is afraid and quite honestly not to absolve Schott
>> > > > of
>> > > > his hand in last night but Ryan doesn't trust Sanchez.
>> >
>> > > > > When you play against a defense like the Ravens, your QB should
>> > > > > roll
>> > > > > away from the pressure. Sanchez best asset is his feet and they
>> > > > > did
>> > > > > NOTHING to get him on the move. What was even worse is that
>> > > > > Sanchez
>> > > > > started looking like David Car. Went back to pass and did not
>> > > > > move
>> > > > > back up to avoid pressure from the edges. He just made a big fat
>> > > > > target out of himself.
>> >
>> > > > He stepped up some but I noticed that. Carr was worse he he
>> > > > immediately would try to outflank the wedge.
>> > > > > I understand that they want to control the ball, protect Sanchez,
>> > > > > but
>> > > > > there are MUCH better ways to run the offense and STILL do those
>> > > > > things. A j.v. high school coach would have figured out in the
>> > > > > first
>> > > > > quarter to start designing qb roll outs. Schotty is a chump.
>> >
>> > > > And not only roll into their strength but also tighten the field?
>> >
>> > > it looked to me that the raven's db's were playing deep and their
>> > > front seven was commited to crashing the center of the field. the
>> > > flat was avaliable. a two yard pass to LT in the flat on a roll out
>> > > probably would have been a 15 yard gain. i'm not suggesting every
>> > > pass
>> > > play be a roll out, but i dont think the jets offense did any of the
>> > > things that you could do against an agressive defense. it also would
>> > > have been nice if sanchez moved a bit more to at least let plays
>> > > develop instead of being so single minded about getting rid of the
>> > > ball so quickly. they were too scared of the ravens defense. their
>> > > secondary sucks.
>> >
>> > MichaeI there are some things that you can see better at the game than
>> > I can on TV. I was wondering how their coverage was set up/doing.
>> >
>> > My concern with rolling Sanchez out is his tendency to try & make
>> > things happen. He has 14 college starts & 20 pro starts whch isn't
>> > much.. If Scott is as bad a coach as you guys keep screaming about it
>> > could get worse.- Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> john... i could be wrong, but it think that is exactly what the jets
>> should have done. let sanchez try to make somthing happen. they
>> really should have put more pressure on the raven's db's. instead the
>> jets made sure that no pass play had any chance of developing. if
>> sanchez cant figure out how to get rid of the football afrer a
>> scramble if things dont open up, he's gotta go find a new job. there
>> was no pass pressure to his left or right. they crashed the line head
>> on every single time sanchez got the ball. the run blitz and the pass
>> blitz looked identical. the way the db's were playing, wr's could
>> have gone down and come back on the sides lines for ten yard
>> completions half the time. all sanchez needed to do was extend the
>> plays by moving to the sides. i was afraid that the jets would run
>> into the teeth of the ravens defense and ignore chances to exploit
>> what the ravens were not defending. i was exactly just right. either
>> schott is brain dead or sanchez sucks so badly they wont take the
>> training wheels off. what was all the talk about him growing in leaps
>> and bounds over the summer ??? he's improved so much they cant expand
>> the passing game past what we saw in the preseason ???
>
> It should be clear that neither D was giving up running yards (absent
> LT's few long runs). The way to test dBs was to open up on first down
> and then concede a punt if the play was unsuccessful by running. But
> even the early passes were only 3-5 yard gains.
>
> Running or throwing short twice and trying to get a first on third down
> was what led to 1-11. Not just the play of the players.
>
> That falls on Shott.
>
> h
Harlan, On all of this we agree completely. Now we need to see if anything
changes.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:49 am
From: "papa.carl44"
"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 14, 1:37 pm, Johnny Morongo
<j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote:
> On Sep 14, 11:10 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I disagree he has looked worse.
>
> > As good pr bad as Schott is I truly think the leash is shorter by
> > Ryan's choice only because they did more prior to teh midpint last
> > year & Sanchez forced too may passes.
>
> > > The O wasn't prepared to play. When have you seen Cotchery drop
> > > passes?
>
> > So that is Schott's fault? That makes no sense. They are professionals
> > they are supposed to show up ready to go.
>
> When one of three units show up, prepared to play, might one suspect
> that it's the coaching of the one that doesn't that is responsible?
If you are talking about the play calling, game plan, yes, but dropped
balls, fumbles, etc. can't be blamed on Schott. How about Hard
Knocks, new stadium & wouldn't that fall on Ryan -- who I like?
> > > After the first turnover, we got the ball inside the 20. Right there,
> > > a real OC goes for
> > > the TD. You just wiped out the QB, now put him down 7 points. Set the
> > > tone for the game.
> > > Everyone knew he'd run. The Ravens were setup for play-action. So, he
> > > ran, wasting a
> > > down, which put more pressure on Sanchez.
> > > Ya want to help Sanchez, it's not saying don't do anything... it's
> > > giving him something
> > > that can succeed.
> > > If you teach by negatives (ie: don't do this, don't do that, don't,
> > > don't don't), you
> > > develop a head case, not a QB. And that's what we're seeing with
> > > Sanchez.
>
> > Maybe, but maybe grabbing 3 points is as valuable. Maybe you go for 6.
> > I had no problem with that.
>
> > It was funny that 2 things that made me crazy is something MZ posted
> > about. Running it on 3rd & 4 in the 1st Q & that attempt to go deep
> > struck me as a sign of desperation.
>
> > I know you & a few others have hatred this guy but the decisions have
> > gotten more conservative for one of three reasons. 1. He sucks, 2.
> > Sanchez is green 3. Ryan has his hands in it. It might be all 3.
>
> Count me in as one of the ones that has hated him almost from day
> one. Ever hear of the Peter Principle? Schitt was semi- successful
> as a QB coach. Since he's been an OC, however, he has shown nothing
> but his genes.
Listen he may be a stiff. He was a late hire but Rex kept him so I
assume he saw something. He has been handed a bad hand most years,
but not this year.
Pennington was not a bad hand....neither was Favre, TJ was not a bad hand
nor Washinton, nor the leading ground offense....he has no imagination.
Look at other teams with "bad hands"....they do a lot more than this crap.
BuRf, by the way if I was over the top yesterday, well, you weren't
the only one struggling so I will try not to be such a tool.
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TOPIC: Slauson...
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Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:47 am
From: Michael
On Sep 15, 9:59 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 14, 7:03 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:31:14 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >Heard interviews on 1050 ESPN on the way home... Both Rex and Sanchez
> > >said other than the time he got beat by Ngata for the sack, Slauson
> > >had an excellent game. I saw him get destroyed by Ngata that one time
> > >and I also saw him hold Ngata off a few times. I did not see Slauson
> > >do anything of note as far as blasting holes. The only guy I saw that
> > >destroyed one of the Ravens DT's on a run block was Moore. I need to
> > >go back and watch Slauson.
>
> > Just don't cut it off ;)
>
> A last look at last Sunday (maybe)
>
> Arizona Cardinals update:
>
> The Cardinals were accused of living in the past when they signed
> guard Alan Faneca last spring. The conventional wisdom was that
> Faneca , a 12-year veteran, was not the same player he was with the
> Steelers when Ken Whisenhunt and assistant head coach Russ Grimm were
> there.
>
> While Faneca might not be the player he once was, he showed last
> Sunday in St. Louis why Whisenhunt and Grimm were anxious to bring him
> to Arizona.
>
> The Cardinals rushed for 112 yards on 21 carries (a 5.3-yard average),
> and Faneca had a lot to do with it. At 33, he proved he's still agile
> enough to pull and be an effective lead blocker. By my count, Faneca
> pulled on 9 of the 20 called called runs (Derek Anderson scrambled
> once). He pulled both right and left. When he pulled left, the tight
> end and tackle Levi Brown blocked down.
>
> On those nine plays, the Cardinals gained 78 yards and scored a
> touchdown. A disclaimer: I'm not saying Faneca was responsible for all
> those yards. Other good blocks were made, and running backs Tim
> Hightower and LaRod Stephens-Howling made good reads.
>
> But Faneca hit someone on almost every one of those plays. And the
> threat of Faneca pulling allowed runners to bounce to the back side.
> In the 76-yard TD drive, Stephens-Howling followed Faneca twice. On
> the next play, Faneca pulled right and Tim Hightower took the play to
> the left and found open space for a 19-yard gain.
>
> Faneca was one of the team's most consistent pass blockers on Sunday,
> too. He lost on a bull rush once and failed to pick up a stunt once.
> But he was steady.
>
> Granted, this is one game. The challenge for any player, especially
> one who is 33, is do it over 16 games. But it was a good start.
>
> The weak link in the line was right tackle Brandon Keith, who
> struggled to block Chris Long most of the day. Keith was susceptible
> to inside moves and became off-balance, allowing Long to knock him to
> the side.
>
> But mostly, the offensive line did a solid job of protecting.
> Hightower and Stephens-Howling were decent at blitz pickups. Hightower
> went the wrong way once, which resulted in pressure on Derek Anderson.
>
> The Rams were able to get to Anderson because they almost always sent
> more rushers than the Cardinals had blockers. Anderson was not
> accurate in most of those situations, especially when he tried to
> throw to Larry Fitzgerald. Clearly, this is a scheme the Cardinals are
> going to see a lot of unless Anderson can make blitzing teams pay. He
> started to do that in the second half by finding Steve Breaston.
no question faneca can still contribute. though, where faneca is
going to have a harder and harder time keeping up given his age, a
young guy like slauson or vlad has it all in front of them. slauson/
vlad will not be they type of run blocker that hof g faneca is/was,
but it is a move in the right direction... who knows for sure why the
jets did not hold on to him longer. for right now, giving up TJ is
the move that lookes to have been the worst.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 8:22 am
From: buRford
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Sep 15, 9:59 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 14, 7:03 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:31:14 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> > >Heard interviews on 1050 ESPN on the way home... Both Rex and Sanchez
>> > >said other than the time he got beat by Ngata for the sack, Slauson
>> > >had an excellent game. I saw him get destroyed by Ngata that one time
>> > >and I also saw him hold Ngata off a few times. I did not see Slauson
>> > >do anything of note as far as blasting holes. The only guy I saw that
>> > >destroyed one of the Ravens DT's on a run block was Moore. I need to
>> > >go back and watch Slauson.
>>
>> > Just don't cut it off ;)
>>
>> A last look at last Sunday (maybe)
>>
>> Arizona Cardinals update:
>>
>> The Cardinals were accused of living in the past when they signed
>> guard Alan Faneca last spring. The conventional wisdom was that
>> Faneca , a 12-year veteran, was not the same player he was with the
>> Steelers when Ken Whisenhunt and assistant head coach Russ Grimm were
>> there.
>>
>> While Faneca might not be the player he once was, he showed last
>> Sunday in St. Louis why Whisenhunt and Grimm were anxious to bring him
>> to Arizona.
>>
>> The Cardinals rushed for 112 yards on 21 carries (a 5.3-yard average),
>> and Faneca had a lot to do with it. At 33, he proved he's still agile
>> enough to pull and be an effective lead blocker. By my count, Faneca
>> pulled on 9 of the 20 called called runs (Derek Anderson scrambled
>> once). He pulled both right and left. When he pulled left, the tight
>> end and tackle Levi Brown blocked down.
>>
>> On those nine plays, the Cardinals gained 78 yards and scored a
>> touchdown. A disclaimer: I'm not saying Faneca was responsible for all
>> those yards. Other good blocks were made, and running backs Tim
>> Hightower and LaRod Stephens-Howling made good reads.
>>
>> But Faneca hit someone on almost every one of those plays. And the
>> threat of Faneca pulling allowed runners to bounce to the back side.
>> In the 76-yard TD drive, Stephens-Howling followed Faneca twice. On
>> the next play, Faneca pulled right and Tim Hightower took the play to
>> the left and found open space for a 19-yard gain.
>>
>> Faneca was one of the team's most consistent pass blockers on Sunday,
>> too. He lost on a bull rush once and failed to pick up a stunt once.
>> But he was steady.
>>
>> Granted, this is one game. The challenge for any player, especially
>> one who is 33, is do it over 16 games. But it was a good start.
>>
>> The weak link in the line was right tackle Brandon Keith, who
>> struggled to block Chris Long most of the day. Keith was susceptible
>> to inside moves and became off-balance, allowing Long to knock him to
>> the side.
>>
>> But mostly, the offensive line did a solid job of protecting.
>> Hightower and Stephens-Howling were decent at blitz pickups. Hightower
>> went the wrong way once, which resulted in pressure on Derek Anderson.
>>
>> The Rams were able to get to Anderson because they almost always sent
>> more rushers than the Cardinals had blockers. Anderson was not
>> accurate in most of those situations, especially when he tried to
>> throw to Larry Fitzgerald. Clearly, this is a scheme the Cardinals are
>> going to see a lot of unless Anderson can make blitzing teams pay. He
>> started to do that in the second half by finding Steve Breaston.
>
>no question faneca can still contribute. though, where faneca is
>going to have a harder and harder time keeping up given his age, a
>young guy like slauson or vlad has it all in front of them. slauson/
>vlad will not be they type of run blocker that hof g faneca is/was,
>but it is a move in the right direction... who knows for sure why the
>jets did not hold on to him longer. for right now, giving up TJ is
>the move that lookes to have been the worst.
I don't see TJ as a bad move. I'd rather have LT, even though he may not be as tough
inside. TJ got most of his yards, last season, after opposing defenses were worn down.
I like Greene, but he's still a wildcard, with the fumbles & injury history.
The problem to me, was giving up on Leon, getting next to nothing for him, and betting on
McKnight.
The Faneca move, in retrospect, makes no sense to me, since his replacements are gambles.
I'd have preferred keeping Faneca, drafting Ducasse to learn under him, then next season
moving from Faneca. But again, that's in retrospect.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 8:37 am
From: MZ
buRford wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 15, 9:59 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 14, 7:03 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:31:14 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Heard interviews on 1050 ESPN on the way home... Both Rex and Sanchez
>>>>> said other than the time he got beat by Ngata for the sack, Slauson
>>>>> had an excellent game. I saw him get destroyed by Ngata that one time
>>>>> and I also saw him hold Ngata off a few times. I did not see Slauson
>>>>> do anything of note as far as blasting holes. The only guy I saw that
>>>>> destroyed one of the Ravens DT's on a run block was Moore. I need to
>>>>> go back and watch Slauson.
>>>> Just don't cut it off ;)
>>> A last look at last Sunday (maybe)
>>>
>>> Arizona Cardinals update:
>>>
>>> The Cardinals were accused of living in the past when they signed
>>> guard Alan Faneca last spring. The conventional wisdom was that
>>> Faneca , a 12-year veteran, was not the same player he was with the
>>> Steelers when Ken Whisenhunt and assistant head coach Russ Grimm were
>>> there.
>>>
>>> While Faneca might not be the player he once was, he showed last
>>> Sunday in St. Louis why Whisenhunt and Grimm were anxious to bring him
>>> to Arizona.
>>>
>>> The Cardinals rushed for 112 yards on 21 carries (a 5.3-yard average),
>>> and Faneca had a lot to do with it. At 33, he proved he's still agile
>>> enough to pull and be an effective lead blocker. By my count, Faneca
>>> pulled on 9 of the 20 called called runs (Derek Anderson scrambled
>>> once). He pulled both right and left. When he pulled left, the tight
>>> end and tackle Levi Brown blocked down.
>>>
>>> On those nine plays, the Cardinals gained 78 yards and scored a
>>> touchdown. A disclaimer: I'm not saying Faneca was responsible for all
>>> those yards. Other good blocks were made, and running backs Tim
>>> Hightower and LaRod Stephens-Howling made good reads.
>>>
>>> But Faneca hit someone on almost every one of those plays. And the
>>> threat of Faneca pulling allowed runners to bounce to the back side.
>>> In the 76-yard TD drive, Stephens-Howling followed Faneca twice. On
>>> the next play, Faneca pulled right and Tim Hightower took the play to
>>> the left and found open space for a 19-yard gain.
>>>
>>> Faneca was one of the team's most consistent pass blockers on Sunday,
>>> too. He lost on a bull rush once and failed to pick up a stunt once.
>>> But he was steady.
>>>
>>> Granted, this is one game. The challenge for any player, especially
>>> one who is 33, is do it over 16 games. But it was a good start.
>>>
>>> The weak link in the line was right tackle Brandon Keith, who
>>> struggled to block Chris Long most of the day. Keith was susceptible
>>> to inside moves and became off-balance, allowing Long to knock him to
>>> the side.
>>>
>>> But mostly, the offensive line did a solid job of protecting.
>>> Hightower and Stephens-Howling were decent at blitz pickups. Hightower
>>> went the wrong way once, which resulted in pressure on Derek Anderson.
>>>
>>> The Rams were able to get to Anderson because they almost always sent
>>> more rushers than the Cardinals had blockers. Anderson was not
>>> accurate in most of those situations, especially when he tried to
>>> throw to Larry Fitzgerald. Clearly, this is a scheme the Cardinals are
>>> going to see a lot of unless Anderson can make blitzing teams pay. He
>>> started to do that in the second half by finding Steve Breaston.
>> no question faneca can still contribute. though, where faneca is
>> going to have a harder and harder time keeping up given his age, a
>> young guy like slauson or vlad has it all in front of them. slauson/
>> vlad will not be they type of run blocker that hof g faneca is/was,
>> but it is a move in the right direction... who knows for sure why the
>> jets did not hold on to him longer. for right now, giving up TJ is
>> the move that lookes to have been the worst.
>
> I don't see TJ as a bad move. I'd rather have LT, even though he may not be as tough
> inside. TJ got most of his yards, last season, after opposing defenses were worn down.
> I like Greene, but he's still a wildcard, with the fumbles & injury history.
> The problem to me, was giving up on Leon, getting next to nothing for him, and betting on
> McKnight.
> The Faneca move, in retrospect, makes no sense to me, since his replacements are gambles.
> I'd have preferred keeping Faneca, drafting Ducasse to learn under him, then next season
> moving from Faneca. But again, that's in retrospect.
As Carl has said before, gotta pick one. Keep either Washington or
Jones. Can't let both go at the same time. That appears to be the mistake.
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Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 7:58 am
From: DIet Plan <1of9@kaxy.com>
On Sep 13, 11:18 pm, DIet Plan <1...@kaxy.com> wrote:
> he he
fuck u cunt..hehehe
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Date: Wed, Sep 15 2010 9:04 am
From: John C TX
> Where are Ryan's figerprints on the offense? And, how would you know...what
> history does Ryan have with an offense that would give us this information,
> a point of reference?
PC, some are my conclusions & some is based on his own words.
One of the first things out of Ryan's mouth was he wanted to run the
ball. In addition the ratio of pass to run has dropped from 50-50
year one, 53% year two to 40% last year and was falling. Some is
driven by QB's & whether a team is inning so on top of that look at
this.
Two TE sets were brought in, albeit with a guard mid-season last
year, & one of my criticisms of Schott was he rarely ran 2 TE sets
when he had Baker, Franks & Keller. The changes could be Rex. They
could be Schott influenced by Callahan & Rex but when an asst coach
starts doing things he has never done before, especially mid-season,
it isn't a crazy conclusion to wonder that the HC's input as involved.
>Ryan looks at individual performances on offense
> maybe....not the function of it as a team, that is Schotts job and has been,
> that is why he was kept when Rex came.
Along those lines, you yourself wrote recently that the OC & DC are
not as involved with skill coaching & teaching. If you believe that
is the case why hasn't everyone been screaming for Cavanaugh's scalp?
Like I have said from the beginning of this season, Schott may not be
good -- don't think he is bad-- but the QB & a running game can drive
the success of an OC.
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