Tuesday, September 21, 2010

Re: Medarticles article request

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It is non English journal available at Sciencedirect.  Major Uni. have not subscribed for it.

anand
www.indiasarkarinaukri.com

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:10 AM, bob <toroide@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi. Could you send me the article below ?

Millereau M, Branger B, Darcel F.
[Fetal version by acupuncture (moxibustion) versus control group]
J Gynecol Obstet Biol Reprod (Paris). 2009 Oct;38(6):481-7. Epub 2009
Jun 4.
doi:10.1016/j.jgyn.2009.04.013


Thanks

bob

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rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 13 topics - digest

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rec.bicycles.racing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing?hl=en

rec.bicycles.racing@googlegroups.com

Today's topics:

* Is Chris Horner a doll? - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3f8213b3b03cf086?hl=en
* Cycle star Stuart O'Grady's tax battle - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/87f73fcc728586c7?hl=en
* Is there anything creepier... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7656bc355d4711c6?hl=en
* 100% without a doubt - Lance Armstrong commits perjury in SCA Deposition - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/922541491e2ecdd5?hl=en
* Cooke Snubs Pooley - 4 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9178b2858522b0d7?hl=en
* Great moments in triathlism - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/45a2bf2b9e32e0b3?hl=en
* Dancing with the Stars - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/de9a974ef068e4e6?hl=en
* Paging JP - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/be39b9bedfbc255d?hl=en
* Brooke Miller is a Liz Hatch - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d48cb079edcca1bf?hl=en
* The world depends on Lance - we can't cure cancer, poverty
orglobalwarmingwithout him - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/085fd91752447bb9?hl=en
* Photos of Levi Leipheimer at the Tour of Langkawi - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b4f9b8219c7cc5af?hl=en
* Lance Is A Dick - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/20fd344b0851c9e8?hl=en
* Warped Logic - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6907522be163d8eb?hl=en

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TOPIC: Is Chris Horner a doll?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/3f8213b3b03cf086?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 1:43 pm
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> Cougars like Demi Moore like to rock the cradle.

<http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/2010/08/29/2010-08-29_not_pretending_chrissie_hynde_sings_to_her_reallife_lover_about_their_doomed_rel.html>


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 5:42 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Sep 21, 3:41 am, "Kurgan Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Mr. Slate" <LikeFl...@NoSpammers.com> wrote in message
>
> news:FJadnSrOTLB_vQXRnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@sti.net...
> : Women think so apparently and some of these comments! Ladies get a grip,
> : he's not all that cute.
> :
> : Doll photos at bottom...
> :http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=39796
>
> Bruce, you truly are dense.
>
> Women do not value the same things in men that men value in women. For
> women, youthful looks in men are not #1 on the list.

Is that what it is? Goddamn it.

Brad Anders


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:01 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"Magilla Gorilla" <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote in message
news:4C98F31B.8A812F84@sandiegozoo.org...
: Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
:
: > "Magilla Gorilla" <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote in message
: > news:4C98CA7A.F028C6DE@sandiegozoo.org...
: > : Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
: > :
: > : > "Mr. Slate" <LikeFlint@NoSpammers.com> wrote in message
: > : > news:FJadnSrOTLB_vQXRnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@sti.net...
: > : > : Women think so apparently and some of these comments! Ladies get a
: > grip,
: > : > : he's not all that cute.
: > : > :
: > : > : Doll photos at bottom...
: > : > : http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=39796
: > : >
: > : > Bruce, you truly are dense.
: > : >
: > : > Women do not value the same things in men that men value in women.
For
: > : > women, youthful looks in men are not #1 on the list.
: > : >
: > : > thanks,
: > : >
: > : > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
: > :
: > : Not so fast, smarty pants.
: > :
: > : Cougars like Demi Moore like to rock the cradle.
: >
: > Dumbass -
: >
: > Women do like youthful looks, it's just not #1 on the list.
: >
: > thanks,
: >
: > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
:
: Women don't know what they like.

Dumbass -

Ya they do.

They like status.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:23 pm
From: Magilla Gorilla


Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

> "Magilla Gorilla" <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote in message
> news:4C98F31B.8A812F84@sandiegozoo.org...
> : Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> :
> : > "Magilla Gorilla" <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote in message
> : > news:4C98CA7A.F028C6DE@sandiegozoo.org...
> : > : Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> : > :
> : > : > "Mr. Slate" <LikeFlint@NoSpammers.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:FJadnSrOTLB_vQXRnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@sti.net...
> : > : > : Women think so apparently and some of these comments! Ladies get a
> : > grip,
> : > : > : he's not all that cute.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Doll photos at bottom...
> : > : > : http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=39796
> : > : >
> : > : > Bruce, you truly are dense.
> : > : >
> : > : > Women do not value the same things in men that men value in women.
> For
> : > : > women, youthful looks in men are not #1 on the list.
> : > : >
> : > : > thanks,
> : > : >
> : > : > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
> : > :
> : > : Not so fast, smarty pants.
> : > :
> : > : Cougars like Demi Moore like to rock the cradle.
> : >
> : > Dumbass -
> : >
> : > Women do like youthful looks, it's just not #1 on the list.
> : >
> : > thanks,
> : >
> : > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
> :
> : Women don't know what they like.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Ya they do.
>
> They like status.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Okay, let me write that down with a Sharpie on my labia.

Magilla

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 10:16 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"Magilla Gorilla" <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote in message
news:4C9984A6.F8820564@sandiegozoo.org...
: Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
:
: > "Magilla Gorilla" <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote in message
: > news:4C98F31B.8A812F84@sandiegozoo.org...
: > : Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
: > :
: > : > "Magilla Gorilla" <m.gorilla@sandiegozoo.org> wrote in message
: > : > news:4C98CA7A.F028C6DE@sandiegozoo.org...
: > : > : Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
: > : > :
: > : > : > "Mr. Slate" <LikeFlint@NoSpammers.com> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:FJadnSrOTLB_vQXRnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@sti.net...
: > : > : > : Women think so apparently and some of these comments! Ladies
get a
: > : > grip,
: > : > : > : he's not all that cute.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Doll photos at bottom...
: > : > : > : http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=39796
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Bruce, you truly are dense.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Women do not value the same things in men that men value in
women.
: > For
: > : > : > women, youthful looks in men are not #1 on the list.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > thanks,
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
: > : > :
: > : > : Not so fast, smarty pants.
: > : > :
: > : > : Cougars like Demi Moore like to rock the cradle.
: > : >
: > : > Dumbass -
: > : >
: > : > Women do like youthful looks, it's just not #1 on the list.
: > : >
: > : > thanks,
: > : >
: > : > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
: > :
: > : Women don't know what they like.
: >
: > Dumbass -
: >
: > Ya they do.
: >
: > They like status.
: >
: > thanks,
: >
: > Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
:
: Okay, let me write that down with a Sharpie on my labia.

Dumbass -

The reason they seem kinda crazy is they pretend like it's not status
they're after. They'll rationalize how they're going after so-and-so in any
number of ways, but deep down inside it's the status thing.

It's instinctual. It's the same thing as us liking them because they're hot.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


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TOPIC: Cycle star Stuart O'Grady's tax battle
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/87f73fcc728586c7?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 1:47 pm
From: raamman


On Sep 21, 4:12 pm, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> CHAMPION cyclist Stuart O'Grady is fighting the tax office, which his
> lawyer claims is trying to double tax him.
> The gold medallist and former UCI pro Tour Team Saxo Bank captain is
> claiming the tax office is trying to tax him for four financial years,
> when he was actually living in France, and had already paid tax there.
> It is understood O'Grady, who grew up in Adelaide but now lives in
> Monaco, only spends about one month each year in Australia, including
> when he competes in the Tour Down Under.
>
> He has lived overseas since about 1994.
>
> His lawyer, John Tucker, told the Federal Court the matter was
> "primarily a dispute over residency", and he was confident the matter
> could be solved through mediation. Outside the court he said he did
> not know how much the dispute was over. "It's enough to warrant
> argument but as I said to the Judge it's not enough for everyone to be
> here," Mr Tucker said. Pro riders can earn millions of dollars per
> year, or as little as euro150,000 (about $A200,000).
>
> O'Grady is likely to be at the upper end of the scale.
>
> Under the Income Tax Assessment Act, contractors who work overseas for
> six months continuously are not taxed in Australia, Mr Tucker said.
> "If he was taxable on his contract earnings as a cyclist in any way,
> having already been taxed in France ... our next point would be that
> they'd be exempt." O'Grady is among the best cyclists in the world,
> and has contested the Tour de France 13 times, and won the Tour Down
> Under twice, including the first time it was run in 1999. He came
> second overall in 2009. He is also the only Australian to have won the
> Paris-Roubaix one day classic, which he accomplished in 2007. He is
> renowned for his strength, and is commonly seen leading the Saxo Bank
> team during its Tour de France and other grand tour challenges.
> O'Grady and Saxo Bank teammate Andy Schleck, who came second in this
> year's Tour de France, were booted out of the Tour of Spain earlier
> this month by their team manager for going out for a drink. O'Grady
> was reported as being disappointed at the decision, which he said was
> "harsh". "Mate, we stepped out of the team hotel at 10pm and stopped
> for a couple of beers at a bar in the local piazza," O'Grady told The
> Australian at the time.
>
> "We had two beers, that's all."
>
> It is rumoured that O'Grady will compete, with Schleck, in an as-yet
> un-named Luxembourg cycling team next year. O'Grady's family has a
> strong cycling history with his father Brian representing South
> Australia in road and track cycling and his uncle competing at the
> 1964 Olympics. Interestingly, should the matter go to trial, it is
> likely a judge will need to be flown in from interstate because
> O'Grady's father is a CommCar driver, who is well known to the Federal
> Court judiciary. The matter is scheduled to return to court on
> Thursday, October 21, if mediation is not successful.
>
> O'Grady's management declined to comment.

let's hope he doesn't get screwed


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 1:53 pm
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


Plano Dude wrote:
> CHAMPION cyclist Stuart O'Grady is fighting the tax office, which his
> lawyer claims is trying to double tax him.
> The gold medallist and former UCI pro Tour Team Saxo Bank captain is
> claiming the tax office is trying to tax him for four financial years,
> when he was actually living in France, and had already paid tax there.

Inspiration for Novitsky to try the Capone approach if his other case
collapses.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 4:49 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


> O'Grady and Saxo Bank teammate Andy Schleck, who came second in this
> year's Tour de France, were booted out of the Tour of Spain earlier
> this month by their team manager for going out for a drink. O'Grady
> was reported as being disappointed at the decision, which he said was
> "harsh". "Mate, we stepped out of the team hotel at 10pm and stopped
> for a couple of beers at a bar in the local piazza," O'Grady told The
> Australian at the time.

So the whole drinking thing was an effort to gain sympathy with people on
the tax court back home?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


"Plano Dude" <tx.wasteland@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:16101e3d-7309-47ce-9f88-33c153d15e14@p24g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> CHAMPION cyclist Stuart O'Grady is fighting the tax office, which his
> lawyer claims is trying to double tax him.
> The gold medallist and former UCI pro Tour Team Saxo Bank captain is
> claiming the tax office is trying to tax him for four financial years,
> when he was actually living in France, and had already paid tax there.
> It is understood O'Grady, who grew up in Adelaide but now lives in
> Monaco, only spends about one month each year in Australia, including
> when he competes in the Tour Down Under.
>
> He has lived overseas since about 1994.
>
> His lawyer, John Tucker, told the Federal Court the matter was
> "primarily a dispute over residency", and he was confident the matter
> could be solved through mediation. Outside the court he said he did
> not know how much the dispute was over. "It's enough to warrant
> argument but as I said to the Judge it's not enough for everyone to be
> here," Mr Tucker said. Pro riders can earn millions of dollars per
> year, or as little as euro150,000 (about $A200,000).
>
> O'Grady is likely to be at the upper end of the scale.
>
> Under the Income Tax Assessment Act, contractors who work overseas for
> six months continuously are not taxed in Australia, Mr Tucker said.
> "If he was taxable on his contract earnings as a cyclist in any way,
> having already been taxed in France ... our next point would be that
> they'd be exempt." O'Grady is among the best cyclists in the world,
> and has contested the Tour de France 13 times, and won the Tour Down
> Under twice, including the first time it was run in 1999. He came
> second overall in 2009. He is also the only Australian to have won the
> Paris-Roubaix one day classic, which he accomplished in 2007. He is
> renowned for his strength, and is commonly seen leading the Saxo Bank
> team during its Tour de France and other grand tour challenges.
> O'Grady and Saxo Bank teammate Andy Schleck, who came second in this
> year's Tour de France, were booted out of the Tour of Spain earlier
> this month by their team manager for going out for a drink. O'Grady
> was reported as being disappointed at the decision, which he said was
> "harsh". "Mate, we stepped out of the team hotel at 10pm and stopped
> for a couple of beers at a bar in the local piazza," O'Grady told The
> Australian at the time.
>
> "We had two beers, that's all."
>
> It is rumoured that O'Grady will compete, with Schleck, in an as-yet
> un-named Luxembourg cycling team next year. O'Grady's family has a
> strong cycling history with his father Brian representing South
> Australia in road and track cycling and his uncle competing at the
> 1964 Olympics. Interestingly, should the matter go to trial, it is
> likely a judge will need to be flown in from interstate because
> O'Grady's father is a CommCar driver, who is well known to the Federal
> Court judiciary. The matter is scheduled to return to court on
> Thursday, October 21, if mediation is not successful.
>
> O'Grady's management declined to comment.


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TOPIC: Is there anything creepier...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7656bc355d4711c6?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 1:48 pm
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


Michael Press wrote:
> Get a grip. Remember the last time.
> You had to change your nom de plume.

He changes his nom de plume more frequently than his underwear. And that
includes after visits to Team Estrogen.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: 100% without a doubt - Lance Armstrong commits perjury in SCA
Deposition
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/922541491e2ecdd5?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 1:46 pm
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


Michael Press wrote:
> Andre Jute and Jute Andre are two different personalities;
> so much different that they are distinguishable as two
> different people.

Ego altars.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Cooke Snubs Pooley
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9178b2858522b0d7?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 2:47 pm
From: Ben Trovato


On Sep 21, 9:43 am, Magilla Gorilla <m.gori...@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:
> "Mr. Slate" wrote:
> > Let's see who wins the worlds!
> >http://tinyurl.com/28etcch
>
> Cooke and Pooley are 2 washed up English school girls who would be
> better off selling their bodies to one of those classy British Spanking
> websites.  Let me know if you need links.
>
> I'm here to help you.
>
> Magilla

Has your mother got her page up on www.MonkeyILF.com?


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 5:30 pm
From: Magilla Gorilla


"Mr. Slate" wrote:

> Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> > "Mr. Slate" wrote:
> >
> >> Let's see who wins the worlds!
> >> http://tinyurl.com/28etcch
> >
> > Cooke and Pooley are 2 washed up English school girls who would be
> > better off selling their bodies to one of those classy British
> > Spanking websites. Let me know if you need links.
> >
> > I'm here to help you.
> >
> > Magilla
>
> Yeah, so what happened to Toona? Just another crit as usual?

I don't know - what happened to it?

Magilla

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 5:31 pm
From: Magilla Gorilla


Uncle Dave wrote:

> On Sep 21, 5:43 pm, Magilla Gorilla <m.gori...@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:
> > "Mr. Slate" wrote:
> > > Let's see who wins the worlds!
> > >http://tinyurl.com/28etcch
> >
> > Cooke and Pooley are 2 washed up English school girls
>
> You're not familiar with Wales are you?
>
> F*UD

Yes, I grew up there.

Magilla

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 5:31 pm
From: Magilla Gorilla


Ben Trovato wrote:

> On Sep 21, 9:43 am, Magilla Gorilla <m.gori...@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:
> > "Mr. Slate" wrote:
> > > Let's see who wins the worlds!
> > >http://tinyurl.com/28etcch
> >
> > Cooke and Pooley are 2 washed up English school girls who would be
> > better off selling their bodies to one of those classy British Spanking
> > websites.  Let me know if you need links.
> >
> > I'm here to help you.
> >
> > Magilla
>
> Has your mother got her page up on www.MonkeyILF.com?

Yes.

Magilla


==============================================================================
TOPIC: Great moments in triathlism
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/45a2bf2b9e32e0b3?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 3:40 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Sep 21, 1:06 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>  William Fred <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote in news:64a059ba-753f-
> > 46f1-9326-cf9152a58...@y31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > God, I wish LANCE would go to jail already so we could
> > > get on with cyclocross season.
>
> > If only he would knock over a bank or something.  By god, then we would
> > have him.
>
> He did. Now SCA has hired the Pinkertons.

LANCE stole SCA's money fair and square.

Fredmaster Ben


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 6:08 pm
From: Plano Dude


On Sep 21, 9:19 am, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 20, 2:31 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRKajY5GlyI&feature=player_embedded
>
> > Elite women triathletes trying to get on bicycles. Apparently this is
> > a skill that is difficult to master.
>
> dumbass,
>
> check out this "slide show":
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8W_aXzOiCM

If Cancellara had been there he would have made everyone ride the next
stage piano for his teammates' sake.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Dancing with the Stars
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/de9a974ef068e4e6?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 6:07 pm
From: Magilla Gorilla


Nobody Fucks with Baby.

Magilla

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 7:47 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> Nobody Fucks with Baby.
>
> Magilla
>

Baby will make the finals. So will Rick Fox. He's a good
looking guy with fans in a major population center. He's
graceful and has the athleticism to do lifts.

It's a weak season, half the cast has no chance in hell.
Before it started I would have picked Brandy for the
finals but she sure didn't show it yesterday. There are
opportunities for Massey and Warner. I'll pick Warner
for the finals because he has fans that Massey will
never have.

Fred Flintstein


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 8:30 pm
From: Magilla Gorilla


Fred Flintstein wrote:

> Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> > Nobody Fucks with Baby.
> >
> > Magilla
> >
>
> Baby will make the finals. So will Rick Fox. He's a good
> looking guy with fans in a major population center. He's
> graceful and has the athleticism to do lifts.
>
> It's a weak season, half the cast has no chance in hell.
> Before it started I would have picked Brandy for the
> finals but she sure didn't show it yesterday. There are
> opportunities for Massey and Warner. I'll pick Warner
> for the finals because he has fans that Massey will
> never have.
>
> Fred Flintstein

I personally think Baby should have danced with Patrick Swayze's
cadaver.

Sorry, but I'm hardcore.

Magilla


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TOPIC: Paging JP
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/be39b9bedfbc255d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 6:14 pm
From: Magilla Gorilla


http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/09/news/jonathan-page-skipping-u-s-nationals-to-focus-on-european-racing_142013

It appears that JaP's new training strategy this year is to avoid an
arbitration hearing the day before worlds. Excellent idea, cocksucker.

Thanks,

Magilla


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TOPIC: Brooke Miller is a Liz Hatch
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d48cb079edcca1bf?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:03 pm
From: Magilla Gorilla


Dallas wrote:

> On Sep 20, 7:39 am, Magilla Gorilla <m.gori...@sandiegozoo.org> wrote:
> > http://www.podiuminsight.com/2010/08/30/brooke-miller-says-goodbye/
> >
> > Brooke Miller is everything that is wrong with women's cycling.
> >
> > She's still lying to herself about why she retired.  The real reason she
> > retired is because she is not competitive in the sport, and she knows
> > she will never qualify, let alone win the Olympics.  So rather than have
> > reality show that to the world, she chose to preempt it, retire, and
> > then claim publicly she "doesn't really want to go to the Olympics
> > anymore" because she doesn't want to make the necessary "sacrifice."
> >
> > So she concocted this backdated prescription that "I don't really want
> > to go any more because I miss going white water rafting and on hikes."
> > Can somebody please explain to me how being a female pro cyclist who
> > trains maybe 150 miles/week means you can't go hiking and white water
> > rafting?  I mean, Lance Pharmstrong goes surfing in fucking Hawaii and
> > hangs out at strip clubs and bars in Austin.  And since Brooke skips
> > every major stage race since she can't climb....that would seem to give
> > her a lot of free time, no?
> >
> > She also talks about how she's not willing to be "4 months on the road
> > away from her boyfriend"...oh my God, the sheer horror of its mere
> > mention sends chills down my spine.   This is how a 13 year old talks.
> >
> > This girl is another form of Liz Hatch.  She has created her own
> > fantasia in the sport and thinks that everyone else is obligated to buy
> > into it.
> >
> > Magilla
>
> my goodness! such a lot of hostility and hatred for one little
> person.

Brooke Miller is not little. Her ass is the size of a dairy barn.


> and judging from your other assaults, your corrosive
> animosity is not limited to Miller.

Yeah, so?

>

> Have you thought about finding a
> therapist?

Sure. I use to find a lot of massage therapists on Craigslist.before they
closed down the red light district section. I'm considering legal action.


Magilla

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TOPIC: The world depends on Lance - we can't cure cancer, poverty
orglobalwarmingwithout him
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/085fd91752447bb9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:08 pm
From: Magilla Gorilla


BLafferty wrote:

> On 9/20/2010 3:37 PM, Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> > BLafferty wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/20/2010 1:56 PM, Magilla Gorilla wrote:
> >>> BLafferty wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 9/20/2010 12:55 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> >>>>> He's a modern day Gandhi-Jesus and Martin Luther King riding his bike
> >>>>> to save the world.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Page 119 of the SCA Testiclemony
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 8 And the faith of all the
> >>>>> 9 cancer survivors around the world. So everything I do
> >>>>> 10 off of the bike would go away, too. And don't think
> >>>>> 11 for a second I don't understand that. It's not about
> >>>>> 12 money for me. Everything. It's also about the faith
> >>>>> 13 that people have put in me over the years. So all of
> >>>>> 14 that would be erased. So I don't need it to say in a
> >>>>> 15 contract, you're fired if you test positive. That's
> >>>>> 16 not as important as losing the support of hundreds of
> >>>>> 17 millions of people.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd like to thank god for Lance Armstrong but since there is no god -
> >>>>> is it proper that I thank Lance for Lance Armstrong?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What a delusional fuck this doping cheat is !
> >>>>
> >>>> Delusional? No. A sociopath? Perhaps.
> >>>
> >>> Everyone who believes in Lance is delusional. Lance is just another
> >>> frivolous celebrity who thinks he's qualified to be the next governor or
> >>> president. Say Arnold, how is that recall election change workin' out for
> >>> you in Kalee-FOUR-knee-uh? Your state is of far in debt that if it fell
> >>> off the continental shelf and sunk in the Pacific the insurance claim on
> >>> the entire state would be less than a loaf of bread once you deduct the
> >>> debt and pension plan legacy costs for all the corrupt state workers who
> >>> helped steer that fucking thing into an iceberg.
> >>>
> >>> I mean who wudda fucking thought that a guy who spent his entire youth in
> >>> the gym lifting weights and injecting steroids wouldn't be qualified to
> >>> right that sinking ship?
> >>>
> >>> I say we elect Lance president and then he can cure all Americans of
> >>> cancer. He can appoint Bruyneel as the head of the DEA to crack down on
> >>> drug cartels.
> >>>
> >>> "I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles."
> >>>
> >>> Magilla
> >>>
> >>
> >> By the standards of the American electorate, Lance would be a successful
> >> politician, unless he is either indicted or has Tour wins stripped from
> >> his record. If Lance is ever elected President, I'll join you in the
> >> bell tower, if I haven't already moved to Western Europe.
> >
> > I think we might be safe because Lance indicated he would run as a Democrat in
> > Texas on an anti-gun platform. No fucking joke.
> >
> > Magilla
> >
> Without Sheryl to guide him he'll revert to a piece of Republican
> trailer trash which should get him elected in Texas.

Lance would be shunned as a Republican. He already said on a TV show that he
beleiees in gun control. Evidently, Lance never heard of the NRA.


Magilla


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TOPIC: Photos of Levi Leipheimer at the Tour of Langkawi
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b4f9b8219c7cc5af?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:19 pm
From: Magilla Gorilla


http://tinyurl.com/2v4pch3

Thanks,

Magilla


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TOPIC: Lance Is A Dick
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/20fd344b0851c9e8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 10:08 pm
From: Jute Andre


http://dailyme.com/story/2010092000003205/investigation-armstrong-stays-public-eye.html

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TOPIC: Warped Logic
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6907522be163d8eb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 10:10 pm
From: Jute Andre


http://www2.canada.com/topics/sports/story.html?id=3350192&p=1


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Today's topics:

* Brick & Gholston in the car with Braylon... - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/02c48fd142be431b?hl=en
* Should Rex sit Edwards this Sunday ??? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ea853a4453e4a297?hl=en
* Edwards will dress, but not start... - 8 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8227a1700eb470d7?hl=en
* Miami Defense - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f6f851010f81aef4?hl=en
* Jets can't deactivate Edwards - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/518137bab2445f5f?hl=en
* OT: Vick to start for Eagles - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/24f9ad232a07c7d2?hl=en
* According to ESPN: Woodhead to replace Faulk? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0201509adf663880?hl=en
* An interesting take on Edwards - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0b0f879dc232aa8c?hl=en
* quarter-by-quarter analysis of the game - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/578cd56865754736?hl=en

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TOPIC: Brick & Gholston in the car with Braylon...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/02c48fd142be431b?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 6:22 pm
From: "RickyBobby"


"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
news:Hs-dncIlxLFXxATRnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:0NCdnbHdUsxa1gTRnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:5NednVpel-5L3gTRnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:5NmdnWd406DqpwTRnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:00032c4e-2ea9-4726-ad71-fed230007c19@t3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Sep 21, 6:42 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> news:jn6i961jh59cl1t42003du2kp1e1ljiedr@4ax.com...> And this is why I
>>>>>> want him off the team. Brick & Gholston have been
>>>>>> > clean... now they're
>>>>>> > pulled into this crap. And then you have the anonymous players,
>>>>>> > getting
>>>>>> > pissed.
>>>>>> > This whole thing can lead to factions in an otherwise tight
>>>>>> > clubhouse.
>>>>>> > It aint all about Edwards & our depleted WR corps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Jets teammates disappointed -- but 'not surprised' -- by Braylon
>>>>>> > Edwards'
>>>>>> > DWI »
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing good ever happens after 5:00AM when you are still out from
>>>>>> the night
>>>>>> before. The story says that he registered a .16 and that it pretty
>>>>>> far
>>>>>> drunk. He should not have been driving with that much alcohol in
>>>>>> him.
>>>>>> And he had some other players in there with him so the team could
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> really been hurt in there had been an accident.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it was his first offense of that nature so maybe the NFL will not
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> for a guy his size, how many drinks do you need in you to blow a .
>>>>> 16 ???
>>>>
>>>> It sounded like it may have been a fourteen hour binge and drinks wear
>>>> off at about the rate of one per hour. But he may not have been
>>>> drinking at all during the fan event and went to power drinking after
>>>> the public part was over. So if you figure the nine hour time frame it
>>>> would be about like drinking a twelve pack of twelve ounce beers or
>>>> maybe up to fifteen. That would also be like about 10 3/4 ounce shots
>>>> of Patrone.
>>>>
>>>> Just for fun I look up a bac calculator for Edwards weight and it said
>>>> nine standard cocktails over nine hours would be .157 bac so my
>>>> guesswork was pretty close.
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow, the Jets are one of the few big media darling teams outside of
>>>> New Orleans so I predict that the NFL will tread pretty lightly on the
>>>> whole personal conduct policy. They can be as arbitrary as they want
>>>> since the NFL players have the worst union in the history of unions.
>>>> But in this case it can actually work in the player's favor.
>>>> Arbitrary works both ways.
>>>>
>>>> And there is always the chance of the charges being dropped altogether
>>>> which would be excellent because the police did not have a reason to
>>>> pull him over.
>>>
>>>
>>> Wrong...if you even come close to swerving, cross a line, drive too slow
>>> at 5AM...and when you are pulled over and have booze in your system all
>>> bets are off, they no longer need a reason, the booze just gave it to
>>> them.
>>>
>>
>> NBA star Scottie Pippen picked up one of them DUI charges and a couple of
>> days later the charges just disappeared. It can and does happen.
>
> And was Pippen in Chicago?????? Dead people vote there. There are ways
> to have a charge dropped, but if you are as seriously under the influence
> as he was it ain't gonna happen.
>

Just wishful thinking.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 6:27 pm
From: Ritchie


On Sep 21, 8:17 pm, "yoyodog" <connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:5NmdnWd406DqpwTRnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:00032c4e-2ea9-4726-ad71-fed230007c19@t3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Sep 21, 6:42 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>news:jn6i961jh59cl1t42003du2kp1e1ljiedr@4ax.com...> And this is why I
> >>> want him off the team.  Brick & Gholston have been
> >>> > clean... now they're
> >>> > pulled into this crap.  And then you have the anonymous players,
> >>> > getting
> >>> > pissed.
> >>> > This whole thing can lead to factions in an otherwise tight clubhouse.
> >>> > It aint all about Edwards & our depleted WR corps.
>
> >>> > Jets teammates disappointed -- but 'not surprised' -- by Braylon
> >>> > Edwards'
> >>> > DWI »
>
> >>> Nothing good ever happens after 5:00AM when you are still out from the
> >>> night
> >>> before.  The story says that he registered a .16 and that it pretty far
> >>> drunk.  He should not have been driving with that much alcohol in him.
> >>> And he had some other players in there with him so the team could have
> >>> really been hurt in there had been an accident.
>
> >>> But it was his first offense of that nature so maybe the NFL will not do
> >>> anything.
>
> >> for a guy his size, how many drinks do you need in you to blow a .
> >> 16 ???
>
> > It sounded like it may have been a fourteen hour binge and drinks wear off
> > at about the rate of one per hour.  But he may not have been drinking at
> > all during the fan event and went to power drinking after the public part
> > was over.  So if you figure the nine hour time frame it would be about
> > like drinking a twelve pack of twelve ounce beers or maybe up to fifteen.
> > That would also be like about 10 3/4 ounce shots of Patrone.
>
> > Just for fun I look up a bac calculator for Edwards weight and it said
> > nine standard cocktails over nine hours would be .157 bac so my guesswork
> > was pretty close.
>
> > Anyhow, the Jets are one of the few big media darling teams outside of New
> > Orleans so I predict that the NFL will tread pretty lightly on the whole
> > personal conduct policy.  They can be as arbitrary as they want since the
> > NFL players have the worst union in the history of unions.  But in this
> > case it can actually work in the player's favor.   Arbitrary works both
> > ways.
>
> > And there is always the chance of the charges being dropped altogether
> > which would be excellent because the police did not have a reason to pull
> > him over.
>
> FYI this is why he was pulled over in the first place:www.ehow.com/about_5262688_new-state-window-tint-laws.html
>
> Totally absurb yet totally legit- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Not absurd at all. As a retired police officer I cant even tell you
how many times I went up to a vehicle I had stopped that had dark
tinted windows and I was wondering was this it? Is this guy hiding a
gun behind the window? Am I going to get shot and killed? There is no
reason to have that dark of a tint unless the person is hiding
something. After I would investigate the situation I would always
issue a summons for the tinted windows which in NYC was an easy win
summons because the burden of proof lies with the defendant. In other
words he has to prove that the percentage of tint is legal. I never
lost any summonses that i issued, a record that i am proud of.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 6:35 pm
From: BicketyBam


Ritchie <ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote in
news:d5028385-c6cf-4a24-bbbe-80932d675af5@t3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

> On Sep 21, 8:17 pm, "yoyodog" <connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:5NmdnWd406DqpwTRnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> >news:00032c4e-2ea9-4726-ad71-fed230007c19
@t3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com
>> >...
>> >> On Sep 21, 6:42 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>>news:jn6i961jh59cl1t42003du2kp1e1ljiedr@4ax.com...> And this is
>> >>>why I
>> >>> want him off the team.  Brick & Gholston have been
>> >>> > clean... now they're
>> >>> > pulled into this crap.  And then you have the anonymous
>> >>> > players, getting
>> >>> > pissed.
>> >>> > This whole thing can lead to factions in an otherwise tight
>> >>> > clubhou
> se.
>> >>> > It aint all about Edwards & our depleted WR corps.
>>
>> >>> > Jets teammates disappointed -- but 'not surprised' -- by
>> >>> > Braylon Edwards'
>> >>> > DWI »
>>
>> >>> Nothing good ever happens after 5:00AM when you are still out
>> >>> from th
> e
>> >>> night
>> >>> before.  The story says that he registered a .16 and that it
>> >>> pretty
> far
>> >>> drunk.  He should not have been driving with that much alcohol in
>> >>> h
> im.
>> >>> And he had some other players in there with him so the team could
>> >>> hav
> e
>> >>> really been hurt in there had been an accident.
>>
>> >>> But it was his first offense of that nature so maybe the NFL will
>> >>> not
> do
>> >>> anything.
>>
>> >> for a guy his size, how many drinks do you need in you to blow a .
>> >> 16 ???
>>
>> > It sounded like it may have been a fourteen hour binge and drinks
>> > wear
> off
>> > at about the rate of one per hour.  But he may not have been
>> > drinking
> at
>> > all during the fan event and went to power drinking after the
>> > public pa
> rt
>> > was over.  So if you figure the nine hour time frame it would be
>> > abou
> t
>> > like drinking a twelve pack of twelve ounce beers or maybe up to
>> > fiftee
> n.
>> > That would also be like about 10 3/4 ounce shots of Patrone.
>>
>> > Just for fun I look up a bac calculator for Edwards weight and it
>> > said nine standard cocktails over nine hours would be .157 bac so
>> > my guesswo
> rk
>> > was pretty close.
>>
>> > Anyhow, the Jets are one of the few big media darling teams outside
>> > of
> New
>> > Orleans so I predict that the NFL will tread pretty lightly on the
>> > whol
> e
>> > personal conduct policy.  They can be as arbitrary as they want
>> > since
> the
>> > NFL players have the worst union in the history of unions.  But in
>> > th
> is
>> > case it can actually work in the player's favor.   Arbitrary works
>> > bo
> th
>> > ways.
>>
>> > And there is always the chance of the charges being dropped
>> > altogether which would be excellent because the police did not have
>> > a reason to pu
> ll
>> > him over.
>>
>> FYI this is why he was pulled over in the first
>> place:www.ehow.com/about_
> 5262688_new-state-window-tint-laws.html
>>
>> Totally absurb yet totally legit- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Not absurd at all. As a retired police officer I cant even tell you
> how many times I went up to a vehicle I had stopped that had dark
> tinted windows and I was wondering was this it? Is this guy hiding a
> gun behind the window? Am I going to get shot and killed? There is no
> reason to have that dark of a tint unless the person is hiding
> something. After I would investigate the situation I would always
> issue a summons for the tinted windows which in NYC was an easy win
> summons because the burden of proof lies with the defendant. In other
> words he has to prove that the percentage of tint is legal. I never
> lost any summonses that i issued, a record that i am proud of.
>

I agree that dark tint should be illegal, but the legal limit in NY is
so light that you might as well not even tint your windows. It would be
a waste of money.


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 6:35 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message
news:J4KdnRa9U8rMxwTRnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Hs-dncIlxLFXxATRnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:0NCdnbHdUsxa1gTRnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:5NednVpel-5L3gTRnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:5NmdnWd406DqpwTRnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:00032c4e-2ea9-4726-ad71-fed230007c19@t3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 6:42 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> news:jn6i961jh59cl1t42003du2kp1e1ljiedr@4ax.com...> And this is why
>>>>>>> I want him off the team. Brick & Gholston have been
>>>>>>> > clean... now they're
>>>>>>> > pulled into this crap. And then you have the anonymous players,
>>>>>>> > getting
>>>>>>> > pissed.
>>>>>>> > This whole thing can lead to factions in an otherwise tight
>>>>>>> > clubhouse.
>>>>>>> > It aint all about Edwards & our depleted WR corps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Jets teammates disappointed -- but 'not surprised' -- by Braylon
>>>>>>> > Edwards'
>>>>>>> > DWI »
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing good ever happens after 5:00AM when you are still out from
>>>>>>> the night
>>>>>>> before. The story says that he registered a .16 and that it pretty
>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>> drunk. He should not have been driving with that much alcohol in
>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>> And he had some other players in there with him so the team could
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> really been hurt in there had been an accident.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it was his first offense of that nature so maybe the NFL will
>>>>>>> not do
>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for a guy his size, how many drinks do you need in you to blow a .
>>>>>> 16 ???
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounded like it may have been a fourteen hour binge and drinks wear
>>>>> off at about the rate of one per hour. But he may not have been
>>>>> drinking at all during the fan event and went to power drinking after
>>>>> the public part was over. So if you figure the nine hour time frame
>>>>> it would be about like drinking a twelve pack of twelve ounce beers or
>>>>> maybe up to fifteen. That would also be like about 10 3/4 ounce shots
>>>>> of Patrone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for fun I look up a bac calculator for Edwards weight and it said
>>>>> nine standard cocktails over nine hours would be .157 bac so my
>>>>> guesswork was pretty close.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyhow, the Jets are one of the few big media darling teams outside of
>>>>> New Orleans so I predict that the NFL will tread pretty lightly on the
>>>>> whole personal conduct policy. They can be as arbitrary as they want
>>>>> since the NFL players have the worst union in the history of unions.
>>>>> But in this case it can actually work in the player's favor. Arbitrary
>>>>> works both ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> And there is always the chance of the charges being dropped altogether
>>>>> which would be excellent because the police did not have a reason to
>>>>> pull him over.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wrong...if you even come close to swerving, cross a line, drive too
>>>> slow at 5AM...and when you are pulled over and have booze in your
>>>> system all bets are off, they no longer need a reason, the booze just
>>>> gave it to them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> NBA star Scottie Pippen picked up one of them DUI charges and a couple
>>> of days later the charges just disappeared. It can and does happen.
>>
>> And was Pippen in Chicago?????? Dead people vote there. There are ways
>> to have a charge dropped, but if you are as seriously under the influence
>> as he was it ain't gonna happen.
>>
>
> Just wishful thinking.

I hear ya...but ultimately it will probably be best if the idiot gets
stomped on by this. He needs to grow up and the longer he waits the harder
it gets. He has an edge to him that looks like trouble, and that can really
hurt susceptible team mates...that does worry me. Guys like him, and he has
a history of this, divide those around them...it's never their fault and
always a victim of circumstance etc. That can kill a team. And Vernon is
finally starting to come around...he doesn't need a bad influence.


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 7:05 pm
From: "yoyodog"

"papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
news:EcidnQdcv6moxwTRnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> You think that law is absurd???? So it's OK to ask a cop to walk up to a
> vehicle he can't see into? Nope...with what is going on nowadays, I want
> a police officer to be able to see the gun pointed at him.
>

The absurdity is that it has come to this. The legitimacy is the reasons
you post about. Like a red light being put in an intersection or a railroad
gate being put at a crossing only after a horrible crash has killed someone.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 8:30 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"yoyodog" <connarchNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:i7bo8p$455$2@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:EcidnQdcv6moxwTRnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> You think that law is absurd???? So it's OK to ask a cop to walk up to a
>> vehicle he can't see into? Nope...with what is going on nowadays, I want
>> a police officer to be able to see the gun pointed at him.
>>
>
> The absurdity is that it has come to this. The legitimacy is the reasons
> you post about. Like a red light being put in an intersection or a
> railroad
> gate being put at a crossing only after a horrible crash has killed
> someone.

Understood....actually if I think about it....it's been a long time since I
did something in a car that I didn't want anyone on the outside to
see....and when I was doing that, the car was not in motion. With all his
money I'd think he could get a room for that purpose...so, why do we need
tinted windows? Answer, so they appear to be gansters and cool :-)

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Should Rex sit Edwards this Sunday ???
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ea853a4453e4a297?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 6:37 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Denise Cohen" <spookymoonart@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ae7a722c-1e37-4579-b8d2-1ecac43b9af6@y31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 6:03 pm, euphy <eüphem...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On 9/21/2010 12:59 PM, Michael wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > OK... What should Rex do ???
>
> > If he sits Edwards for the Miami game, he sends a message to Edwards
> > and the other potential trouble makers on the team. He also lends the
> > Jets some sembelance of "class" around the league. It could be a help
> > to the team in the long run. If Rex waits for the Bills game, it will
> > look like a huge cop out.
>
> > On the other hand...
>
> > If Edwards does not play, it greatly diminishes the chance of a win.
> > With only Cotch and Keller to throw to, it guarantees the Fish will
> > be playing with 8 guys up close. Little to no chance of getting the
> > run going to go along with not being able to pass. The end result,
> > the Fish 3-0 and the Jets blow a chance to win a divisional game and
> > take 1st place.
>
> > To sit or not to sit...
>
> > What should Rex do ???
>
> Are you kidding?
>
> Rex won't sit Edwards going into an important division game. Did
> someone accuse Rex of having class? I missed that story.
>
> Ü- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have no tolerance for DUI. I hope Edwards is cut.

Your hatred of Rex is irrational and strange. NFL players clamor to
play for him (except Sherry Rhodes... LOL)

Really Euph... you sound silly. Yeah we get you don't like Rex's big
mouth. Heck we don't either. But man, give it a rest.

Dolphin fans would have been more than happy to get Rex.

But he'd probably eat Flipper !

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Edwards will dress, but not start...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8227a1700eb470d7?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 6:51 pm
From: Michael


On Sep 21, 9:15 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> news:23ji96hk0ai1apl2e8cjqeihtsnf0ic72l@4ax.com...
>
> > ... according to Cimini...
>
> > "Braylon Edwards will dress for Miami game, but will not start, according
> > to #Jets. When
> > he enters is up to Rex Ryan. No deactivation."
>
> > So, if the Jets play decently, he'll be sitting.  And if they get into
> > trouble, he'll be
> > inserted.  Is this conditional disciplinary action?
>
> Unfortunately it is what I think happens a lot at the high school and
> college levels.  I sure as Hell saw it, never liked or approved of it and
> always felt it ultimately hurt the team, but it happened.  However, when I
> was playing in college it did not happen...never happened and I still have
> far more respect for that coach and program than many I've seen since then.
> They rationalize this stuff by saying if they hold him out they hurt the
> rest of the team and the chances of winning.  Then if the guy does not get
> into trouble in the near (not far) future it's all forgiven.  Compare what
> Edwards did to what Big Ben did....and Ben's record before that....these
> guys are always getting a pass.  Don't you think OJ's attitude was created
> by this kind of stuff?  He probably was never held accountable.

i would think that the response of the coach depends a lot on the
stakes involved in the decision. if you have a major football high
school or college, there is a strong motive to keep the best guys on
the field no matter what they do while off the field. a high school
coach at one of the nationally known texas, pa, fl, ca, etc football
factories wants a championship for visibility so they can move up the
rung. same deal with the college coaches... at div III rowan where i
went to school, i would not exactly call it a well known powerhouse.
they were a good div III team, but there were no USC type stakes on
the table... it was easy for the coach to axe anyone that did not make
grades or caused an issue. you simply did not have star players there
that the coaches could not do without like div I, nor was there that
immense pressure to win. they did coach hard there though... when i
was a freshman i went out to "scouting day" for the baseball team. i
played in high school and thought it might be fun to play a little
easy going college baseball. i saw that the coach wanted all the
players to consider that they were working like they wanted to be a
pro. Put in the same time and so on. Their best pitcher there did not
even stack up to the best guys that i hit off of in high school... no
way was i gonna turn a hobby into a job.


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 6:56 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:15:51 -0400, "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

>
>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>news:23ji96hk0ai1apl2e8cjqeihtsnf0ic72l@4ax.com...
>> ... according to Cimini...
>>
>>
>> "Braylon Edwards will dress for Miami game, but will not start, according
>> to #Jets. When
>> he enters is up to Rex Ryan. No deactivation."
>>
>>
>> So, if the Jets play decently, he'll be sitting. And if they get into
>> trouble, he'll be
>> inserted. Is this conditional disciplinary action?
>
>Unfortunately it is what I think happens a lot at the high school and
>college levels. I sure as Hell saw it, never liked or approved of it and
>always felt it ultimately hurt the team, but it happened. However, when I
>was playing in college it did not happen...never happened and I still have
>far more respect for that coach and program than many I've seen since then.
>They rationalize this stuff by saying if they hold him out they hurt the
>rest of the team and the chances of winning. Then if the guy does not get
>into trouble in the near (not far) future it's all forgiven. Compare what
>Edwards did to what Big Ben did....and Ben's record before that....these
>guys are always getting a pass. Don't you think OJ's attitude was created
>by this kind of stuff? He probably was never held accountable.
>


Hey, it's our culture. The dumber, the more violent, the more classless, the more
ignorant, etc, a person is, the more notoriety. Not because of this incident, but I'm
really sad for our kids. They never really saw our country at its best. And the way it
looks, they never will.


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 7:33 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:71a2da7e-a14b-477a-a772-6f59a411f253@j19g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 9:15 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> news:23ji96hk0ai1apl2e8cjqeihtsnf0ic72l@4ax.com...
>
> > ... according to Cimini...
>
> > "Braylon Edwards will dress for Miami game, but will not start,
> > according
> > to #Jets. When
> > he enters is up to Rex Ryan. No deactivation."
>
> > So, if the Jets play decently, he'll be sitting. And if they get into
> > trouble, he'll be
> > inserted. Is this conditional disciplinary action?
>
> Unfortunately it is what I think happens a lot at the high school and
> college levels. I sure as Hell saw it, never liked or approved of it and
> always felt it ultimately hurt the team, but it happened. However, when I
> was playing in college it did not happen...never happened and I still have
> far more respect for that coach and program than many I've seen since
> then.
> They rationalize this stuff by saying if they hold him out they hurt the
> rest of the team and the chances of winning. Then if the guy does not get
> into trouble in the near (not far) future it's all forgiven. Compare what
> Edwards did to what Big Ben did....and Ben's record before that....these
> guys are always getting a pass. Don't you think OJ's attitude was created
> by this kind of stuff? He probably was never held accountable.

i would think that the response of the coach depends a lot on the
stakes involved in the decision. if you have a major football high
school or college, there is a strong motive to keep the best guys on
the field no matter what they do while off the field. a high school
coach at one of the nationally known texas, pa, fl, ca, etc football
factories wants a championship for visibility so they can move up the
rung. same deal with the college coaches... at div III rowan where i
went to school, i would not exactly call it a well known powerhouse.
they were a good div III team, but there were no USC type stakes on
the table... it was easy for the coach to axe anyone that did not make
grades or caused an issue. you simply did not have star players there
that the coaches could not do without like div I, nor was there that
immense pressure to win. they did coach hard there though... when i
was a freshman i went out to "scouting day" for the baseball team. i
played in high school and thought it might be fun to play a little
easy going college baseball. i saw that the coach wanted all the
players to consider that they were working like they wanted to be a
pro. Put in the same time and so on. Their best pitcher there did not
even stack up to the best guys that i hit off of in high school... no
way was i gonna turn a hobby into a job.

To me...if you don't play it like it's a job you aren't really playing
it...not when others and a team are involved..."We play the game to win."
:-)
That said, what you are laying out is clearly situational
ethics....something at stake, you can cheat the ethics laws....nothing at
stake, you get to be ethical...that is how it seems these days. I had a
coach in college who three two guys off the team the week of
homecoming...two starters right before our biggest game....they did some
seriously stupid stuff, but it was back in the day where they practiced far
less situational ethics stuff. I'm not freaked out about Braylon because I
think it's a situation where he got caught, but I think it happens a lot.


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 7:47 pm
From: Michael


On Sep 21, 10:33 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:71a2da7e-a14b-477a-a772-6f59a411f253@j19g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 21, 9:15 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:23ji96hk0ai1apl2e8cjqeihtsnf0ic72l@4ax.com...
>
> > > ... according to Cimini...
>
> > > "Braylon Edwards will dress for Miami game, but will not start,
> > > according
> > > to #Jets. When
> > > he enters is up to Rex Ryan. No deactivation."
>
> > > So, if the Jets play decently, he'll be sitting. And if they get into
> > > trouble, he'll be
> > > inserted. Is this conditional disciplinary action?
>
> > Unfortunately it is what I think happens a lot at the high school and
> > college levels. I sure as Hell saw it, never liked or approved of it and
> > always felt it ultimately hurt the team, but it happened. However, when I
> > was playing in college it did not happen...never happened and I still have
> > far more respect for that coach and program than many I've seen since
> > then.
> > They rationalize this stuff by saying if they hold him out they hurt the
> > rest of the team and the chances of winning. Then if the guy does not get
> > into trouble in the near (not far) future it's all forgiven. Compare what
> > Edwards did to what Big Ben did....and Ben's record before that....these
> > guys are always getting a pass. Don't you think OJ's attitude was created
> > by this kind of stuff? He probably was never held accountable.
>
> i would think that the response of the coach depends a lot on the
> stakes involved in the decision.  if you have a major football high
> school or college, there is a strong motive to keep the best guys on
> the field no matter what they do while off the field.  a  high school
> coach at one of the nationally known texas, pa, fl, ca, etc football
> factories wants a championship for visibility so they can move up the
> rung.   same deal with the college coaches... at div III rowan where i
> went to school, i would not exactly call it a well known powerhouse.
> they were a good div III team, but there were no USC type stakes on
> the table... it was easy for the coach to axe anyone that did not make
> grades or caused an issue.  you simply did not have star players there
> that the coaches could not do without like div I, nor was there that
> immense pressure to win.  they did coach hard there though... when i
> was a freshman i went out to "scouting day" for the baseball team.  i
> played in high school and thought it might be fun to play a little
> easy going college baseball.  i saw that the coach wanted all the
> players to consider that they were working like they wanted to be a
> pro.  Put in the same time and so on. Their best pitcher there did not
> even stack up to the best guys that i hit off of in high school... no
> way was i gonna turn a hobby into a job.
>
> To me...if you don't play it like it's a job you aren't really playing
> it...not when others and a team are involved..."We play the game to win."

that is why i wisely made my first appearance at scouting day my
last. i was glad to leave it to the "competitors". i could tell the
guys there really wanted to win. the last thing they needed there was
a guy that wanted to have a sunday softball game... even if i could
eat their best pitchers like a crumb. not so much that i did not want
to compete, i just had bigger fish to fry at college.

> That said, what you are laying out is clearly situational
> ethics....something at stake, you can cheat the ethics laws....nothing at
> stake, you get to be ethical...that is how it seems these days.  I had a
> coach in college who three two guys off the team the week of
> homecoming...two starters right before our biggest game....they did some
> seriously stupid stuff, but it was back in the day where they practiced far
> less situational ethics stuff.  I'm not freaked out about Braylon because I
> think it's a situation where he got caught, but I think it happens a lot.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

common sense and average life experience would say you are right.
only a small percentage of idiots are caugt in the light.


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 8:28 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:2eb85908-771c-43fd-859e-76fd3ee748f5@c32g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 10:33 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:71a2da7e-a14b-477a-a772-6f59a411f253@j19g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 21, 9:15 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:23ji96hk0ai1apl2e8cjqeihtsnf0ic72l@4ax.com...
>
> > > ... according to Cimini...
>
> > > "Braylon Edwards will dress for Miami game, but will not start,
> > > according
> > > to #Jets. When
> > > he enters is up to Rex Ryan. No deactivation."
>
> > > So, if the Jets play decently, he'll be sitting. And if they get into
> > > trouble, he'll be
> > > inserted. Is this conditional disciplinary action?
>
> > Unfortunately it is what I think happens a lot at the high school and
> > college levels. I sure as Hell saw it, never liked or approved of it and
> > always felt it ultimately hurt the team, but it happened. However, when
> > I
> > was playing in college it did not happen...never happened and I still
> > have
> > far more respect for that coach and program than many I've seen since
> > then.
> > They rationalize this stuff by saying if they hold him out they hurt the
> > rest of the team and the chances of winning. Then if the guy does not
> > get
> > into trouble in the near (not far) future it's all forgiven. Compare
> > what
> > Edwards did to what Big Ben did....and Ben's record before that....these
> > guys are always getting a pass. Don't you think OJ's attitude was
> > created
> > by this kind of stuff? He probably was never held accountable.
>
> i would think that the response of the coach depends a lot on the
> stakes involved in the decision. if you have a major football high
> school or college, there is a strong motive to keep the best guys on
> the field no matter what they do while off the field. a high school
> coach at one of the nationally known texas, pa, fl, ca, etc football
> factories wants a championship for visibility so they can move up the
> rung. same deal with the college coaches... at div III rowan where i
> went to school, i would not exactly call it a well known powerhouse.
> they were a good div III team, but there were no USC type stakes on
> the table... it was easy for the coach to axe anyone that did not make
> grades or caused an issue. you simply did not have star players there
> that the coaches could not do without like div I, nor was there that
> immense pressure to win. they did coach hard there though... when i
> was a freshman i went out to "scouting day" for the baseball team. i
> played in high school and thought it might be fun to play a little
> easy going college baseball. i saw that the coach wanted all the
> players to consider that they were working like they wanted to be a
> pro. Put in the same time and so on. Their best pitcher there did not
> even stack up to the best guys that i hit off of in high school... no
> way was i gonna turn a hobby into a job.
>
> To me...if you don't play it like it's a job you aren't really playing
> it...not when others and a team are involved..."We play the game to win."

that is why i wisely made my first appearance at scouting day my
last. i was glad to leave it to the "competitors". i could tell the
guys there really wanted to win. the last thing they needed there was
a guy that wanted to have a sunday softball game... even if i could
eat their best pitchers like a crumb. not so much that i did not want
to compete, i just had bigger fish to fry at college.


Ahhh...but see, you don't really know if you could until you do it...and you
can't say you could or would have until you've done it...that's the beauty
of sports and it's why we follow them, the world is full of people who say
they could but only a few who go prove it...there are guys all over the
place who claim they just didn't have time to be the starting QB or
whatever. The only thing someone who never proved they can do it, by doing
it should ever really do, from an ethical standpoint, is to say
nothing....they just didn't do it.

> That said, what you are laying out is clearly situational
> ethics....something at stake, you can cheat the ethics laws....nothing at
> stake, you get to be ethical...that is how it seems these days. I had a
> coach in college who three two guys off the team the week of
> homecoming...two starters right before our biggest game....they did some
> seriously stupid stuff, but it was back in the day where they practiced
> far
> less situational ethics stuff. I'm not freaked out about Braylon because I
> think it's a situation where he got caught, but I think it happens a lot.-
> Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

common sense and average life experience would say you are right.
only a small percentage of idiots are caugt in the light.

And I've been told the statistics on that are very telling.....if you get
caught drunk driving once, you are very unlucky....the odds are very slim,
something like 1 in 2,500 or more. Now...with those odds, the guy who gets
caught works extra hard at it by how he goes about it. If you get caught a
second time....you are in some trouble, and if you get caught a third
time...you need to stop driving altogether, and take a bus to the AA
meetings. Braylon appears to be in that first category at least....but IF,
IF it is true that he was involved in the incident where Donte Stallworth
killed someone while drinking....he obviously does not learn from personal
experience either...and is well on his way to the second or even third
category.....they should learn to play without him.


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:03 pm
From: Michael


On Sep 21, 11:28 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:2eb85908-771c-43fd-859e-76fd3ee748f5@c32g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 21, 10:33 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:71a2da7e-a14b-477a-a772-6f59a411f253@j19g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 21, 9:15 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:23ji96hk0ai1apl2e8cjqeihtsnf0ic72l@4ax.com...
>
> > > > ... according to Cimini...
>
> > > > "Braylon Edwards will dress for Miami game, but will not start,
> > > > according
> > > > to #Jets. When
> > > > he enters is up to Rex Ryan. No deactivation."
>
> > > > So, if the Jets play decently, he'll be sitting. And if they get into
> > > > trouble, he'll be
> > > > inserted. Is this conditional disciplinary action?
>
> > > Unfortunately it is what I think happens a lot at the high school and
> > > college levels. I sure as Hell saw it, never liked or approved of it and
> > > always felt it ultimately hurt the team, but it happened. However, when
> > > I
> > > was playing in college it did not happen...never happened and I still
> > > have
> > > far more respect for that coach and program than many I've seen since
> > > then.
> > > They rationalize this stuff by saying if they hold him out they hurt the
> > > rest of the team and the chances of winning. Then if the guy does not
> > > get
> > > into trouble in the near (not far) future it's all forgiven. Compare
> > > what
> > > Edwards did to what Big Ben did....and Ben's record before that....these
> > > guys are always getting a pass. Don't you think OJ's attitude was
> > > created
> > > by this kind of stuff? He probably was never held accountable.
>
> > i would think that the response of the coach depends a lot on the
> > stakes involved in the decision. if you have a major football high
> > school or college, there is a strong motive to keep the best guys on
> > the field no matter what they do while off the field. a high school
> > coach at one of the nationally known texas, pa, fl, ca, etc football
> > factories wants a championship for visibility so they can move up the
> > rung. same deal with the college coaches... at div III rowan where i
> > went to school, i would not exactly call it a well known powerhouse.
> > they were a good div III team, but there were no USC type stakes on
> > the table... it was easy for the coach to axe anyone that did not make
> > grades or caused an issue. you simply did not have star players there
> > that the coaches could not do without like div I, nor was there that
> > immense pressure to win. they did coach hard there though... when i
> > was a freshman i went out to "scouting day" for the baseball team. i
> > played in high school and thought it might be fun to play a little
> > easy going college baseball. i saw that the coach wanted all the
> > players to consider that they were working like they wanted to be a
> > pro. Put in the same time and so on. Their best pitcher there did not
> > even stack up to the best guys that i hit off of in high school... no
> > way was i gonna turn a hobby into a job.
>
> > To me...if you don't play it like it's a job you aren't really playing
> > it...not when others and a team are involved..."We play the game to win."
>
> that is why i wisely made my first appearance at scouting day my
> last.  i was glad to leave it to the "competitors".  i could tell the
> guys there really wanted to win.  the last thing they needed there was
> a guy that wanted to have a sunday softball game... even if i could
> eat their best pitchers like a crumb.  not so much that i did not want
> to compete, i just had bigger fish to fry at college.
>
> Ahhh...but see, you don't really know if you could until you do it...and you
> can't say you could or would have until you've done it...that's the beauty
> of sports and it's why we follow them, the world is full of people who say
> they could but only a few who go prove it...there are guys all over the
> place who claim they just didn't have time to be the starting QB or
> whatever.  The only thing someone who never proved they can do it, by doing
> it should ever really do, from an ethical standpoint, is to say
> nothing....they just didn't do it.

ahhh... now i want to go back and play :-) and you are correct... i
should not say i would have done well at div III baeball even though i
had a consistent 400+ batting average in hs... i might have gotten hit
by lightning or abducted by aliens...

> > That said, what you are laying out is clearly situational
> > ethics....something at stake, you can cheat the ethics laws....nothing at
> > stake, you get to be ethical...that is how it seems these days. I had a
> > coach in college who three two guys off the team the week of
> > homecoming...two starters right before our biggest game....they did some
> > seriously stupid stuff, but it was back in the day where they practiced
> > far
> > less situational ethics stuff. I'm not freaked out about Braylon because I
> > think it's a situation where he got caught, but I think it happens a lot.-
> > Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> common sense and average life experience would say you are right.
> only a small percentage of idiots are caugt in the light.
>
> And I've been told the statistics on that are very telling.....if you get
> caught drunk driving once, you are very unlucky....the odds are very slim,
> something like 1 in 2,500 or more.  Now...with those odds, the guy who gets
> caught works extra hard at it by how he goes about it.  If you get caught a
> second time....you are in some trouble, and if you get caught a third
> time...you need to stop driving altogether, and take a bus to the AA
> meetings.  Braylon appears to be in that first category at least....but IF,
> IF it is true that he was involved in the incident where Donte Stallworth
> killed someone while drinking....he obviously does not learn from personal
> experience either...and is well on his way to the second or even third
> category.....they should learn to play without him.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

i would seem that he may be a train wreck waiting to happen... if you
remember, I was one of the ones that protested agaisnt brining in guys
like santonio and edwards... once the moves were made, i just had to
have some hope that they might learn better... i guess not in edwards
case... but... cromartie is said to really be on the right track. if
one out of three work out, they did good.


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:21 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On Sep 21, 6:56 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:15:51 -0400, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> >"buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
> >news:23ji96hk0ai1apl2e8cjqeihtsnf0ic72l@4ax.com...
> >> ... according to Cimini...
>
> >> "Braylon Edwards will dress for Miami game, but will not start, according
> >> to #Jets. When
> >> he enters is up to Rex Ryan. No deactivation."
>
> >> So, if the Jets play decently, he'll be sitting.  And if they get into
> >> trouble, he'll be
> >> inserted.  Is this conditional disciplinary action?
>
> >Unfortunately it is what I think happens a lot at the high school and
> >college levels.  I sure as Hell saw it, never liked or approved of it and
> >always felt it ultimately hurt the team, but it happened.  However, when I
> >was playing in college it did not happen...never happened and I still have
> >far more respect for that coach and program than many I've seen since then.
> >They rationalize this stuff by saying if they hold him out they hurt the
> >rest of the team and the chances of winning.  Then if the guy does not get
> >into trouble in the near (not far) future it's all forgiven.  Compare what
> >Edwards did to what Big Ben did....and Ben's record before that....these
> >guys are always getting a pass.  Don't you think OJ's attitude was created
> >by this kind of stuff?  He probably was never held accountable.
>
> Hey, it's our culture.  The dumber, the more violent, the more classless, the more
> ignorant, etc, a person is, the more notoriety.  Not because of this incident, but I'm
> really sad for our kids.  They never really saw our country at its best.  And the way it
> looks, they never will.

This is so true. What a shame.


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:23 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On Sep 21, 8:28 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:

<snip>

> IF it is true that he was involved in the incident where Donte Stallworth
> killed someone while drinking....he obviously does not learn from personal
> experience either...and is well on his way to the second or even third
> category.....they should learn to play without him.

They will...next year.

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TOPIC: Miami Defense
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f6f851010f81aef4?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 7:33 pm
From: BicketyBam


I've watched both of their games and I still have a hard time deciding
whether they have a top tier defense or not. I can not take anything from
the Buffalo game. They are just putrid on offense. Against GB they managed
186 net yards of offense. 62 net passing yards. Awful. They did manage 20
more yards than the 166 they put up against Miami. Props to them -
improvement! But I can not use them as a barometer to measure an NFL
defense.

So that leaves us with Minn. 10 points against and the TD drive started at
the 1 after a fumble. But the other stats do not say they are the steel
curtain some people think they are. 364 net yards surrendered, 156 rushing
against. And they got a huge assist from Minn when they decided to run it 4
straight times from in close. Minn has no receivers and Favre looks every
like a QB closing in on 40 who missed training camp.

I don't think the Jets will be a good test for them either, but as crazy as
it sounds I think it will be the best offense they will have faced so far.
I think we will know a lot more after they play Brady and the Pats. Green
Bay will also be a good indicator.

I will also go on record as saying that I don't think the Jets defense is
the next coming of the steel curtain. I think they are an above average
defense (but not great) that tends to break at the most inopportune times.

What are your thoughts on the Miami defense?


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 8:27 pm
From: Michael


On Sep 21, 10:33 pm, BicketyBam <Blo...@joemama.net> wrote:
> I've watched both of their games and I still have a hard time deciding
> whether they have a top tier defense or not. I can not take anything from
> the Buffalo game. They are just putrid on offense. Against GB they managed
> 186 net yards of offense. 62 net passing yards. Awful. They did manage 20
> more yards than the 166 they put up against Miami. Props to them -
> improvement! But I can not use them as a barometer to measure an NFL
> defense.
>
> So that leaves us with Minn. 10 points against and the TD drive started at
> the 1 after a fumble. But the other stats do not say they are the steel
> curtain some people think they are.  364 net yards surrendered, 156 rushing
> against. And they got a huge assist from Minn when they decided to run it 4
> straight times from in close. Minn has no receivers and Favre looks every
> like a QB closing in on 40 who missed training camp.
>
> I don't think the Jets will be a good test for them either, but as crazy as
> it sounds I think it will be the best offense they will have faced so far.
> I think we will know a lot more after they play Brady and the Pats. Green
> Bay will also be a good indicator.
>
> I will also go on record as saying that I don't think the Jets defense is
> the next coming of the steel curtain. I think they are an above average
> defense (but not great) that tends to break at the most inopportune times.
>
> What are your thoughts on the Miami defense?

i only saw highlights of their first two games... it appears that the
best way to attack them is on the ends. I'd guess the jets will try
to get LT around the corner. i don't think play action will work well
because the style they seem to play there looks more controlled rather
than attacking and over committed. the guys on the d-line are said to
be stout and the lb's are good at gap control. just an odd guess on
my part, but their defense has settled into that cautious gap control
style partly because they go against their own offense in practice.
the wild cat stuff creates additional gaps, so the defense gains in
patience and discipline against that sort of running attack. the fact
that they are weak on the edges is strictly a manpower issue. the way
the secondary plays, they try to take away the deep stuff by means of
a lot of safety help over the top rather than the way the jets do it
with pressure and man. though, there has been a lot of recent talk
that davis can play man on his side of the field. again.. i have not
seen much of it for myself, so i cant say for sure.

as far as the Miami offense... i could be wrong, but i think they way
to play them is the opposite way the jets defense plays in general.
I'd play gap control. much like the fish defense plays. i guess i
must be crossed up about that, because rex did his best work against
the wild cat with his "BTF" blitz this formation doctrine. it is goint
to be interesting to see what miami does on offense and what the jets
do on defense. IMHO, the coach that can keep ahead of the other one
will get the win. My money is on Rex :-)

.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 10:01 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Sep 21, 10:33 pm, BicketyBam <Blo...@joemama.net> wrote:
>> I've watched both of their games and I still have a hard time deciding
>> whether they have a top tier defense or not. I can not take anything from
>> the Buffalo game. They are just putrid on offense. Against GB they managed
>> 186 net yards of offense. 62 net passing yards. Awful. They did manage 20
>> more yards than the 166 they put up against Miami. Props to them -
>> improvement! But I can not use them as a barometer to measure an NFL
>> defense.
>>
>> So that leaves us with Minn. 10 points against and the TD drive started at
>> the 1 after a fumble. But the other stats do not say they are the steel
>> curtain some people think they are.  364 net yards surrendered, 156 rushing
>> against. And they got a huge assist from Minn when they decided to run it 4
>> straight times from in close. Minn has no receivers and Favre looks every
>> like a QB closing in on 40 who missed training camp.
>>
>> I don't think the Jets will be a good test for them either, but as crazy as
>> it sounds I think it will be the best offense they will have faced so far.
>> I think we will know a lot more after they play Brady and the Pats. Green
>> Bay will also be a good indicator.
>>
>> I will also go on record as saying that I don't think the Jets defense is
>> the next coming of the steel curtain. I think they are an above average
>> defense (but not great) that tends to break at the most inopportune times.
>>
>> What are your thoughts on the Miami defense?
>
>i only saw highlights of their first two games... it appears that the
>best way to attack them is on the ends. I'd guess the jets will try
>to get LT around the corner. i don't think play action will work well
>because the style they seem to play there looks more controlled rather
>than attacking and over committed. the guys on the d-line are said to
>be stout and the lb's are good at gap control. just an odd guess on
>my part, but their defense has settled into that cautious gap control
>style partly because they go against their own offense in practice.
>the wild cat stuff creates additional gaps, so the defense gains in
>patience and discipline against that sort of running attack. the fact
>that they are weak on the edges is strictly a manpower issue. the way
>the secondary plays, they try to take away the deep stuff by means of
>a lot of safety help over the top rather than the way the jets do it
>with pressure and man. though, there has been a lot of recent talk
>that davis can play man on his side of the field. again.. i have not
>seen much of it for myself, so i cant say for sure.
>
>as far as the Miami offense... i could be wrong, but i think they way
>to play them is the opposite way the jets defense plays in general.
>I'd play gap control. much like the fish defense plays. i guess i
>must be crossed up about that, because rex did his best work against
>the wild cat with his "BTF" blitz this formation doctrine. it is goint
>to be interesting to see what miami does on offense and what the jets
>do on defense. IMHO, the coach that can keep ahead of the other one
>will get the win. My money is on Rex :-)
>
>.

I'm figuring the 'Fins are gonna come out throwing. The Jets are gonna be challenging
Henne to throw, and I figure Henning'll be happy to oblige, with Revis out.
They've had a week, and the preseason, to study how Rex likes playin' it without Revis.
The key to me, is if Rex has gameplanned this possibility, so he can make a quick
adjustment, if Henning's successful.
As for our O, I haven't a clue which Schott will show up. I'm apprehensive, since when we
play a good D, the gameplan takes low scoring as a given (without ever testing the
opposing D), and we do the *play not to lose* O... which to me, is a heckuva a lot more of
a gamble, than playing aggressive O. Those close games can go either way, and all ya need
is one mistake, to blow the game. You may as well take your shots, at the very least, you
may get a few PI calls.
I'd like to see Keller out wide, with another TE playing, er, TE ;)

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TOPIC: Jets can't deactivate Edwards
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/518137bab2445f5f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 8:29 pm
From: Keith Keller


http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/18629/rules-stop-jets-from-deactivating-edwards

http://tmi.me/1BdfX

(if that's the real Greg Aiello)

So I guess the most the Jets could do is not play Edwards at all for as
long as they think he should be punished.

--keith

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 10:04 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:29:11 -0700, Keith Keller
<kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:

>http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/18629/rules-stop-jets-from-deactivating-edwards
>
>http://tmi.me/1BdfX
>
>(if that's the real Greg Aiello)
>
>So I guess the most the Jets could do is not play Edwards at all for as
>long as they think he should be punished.
>


It was kind of a similar situation, with Holmes in Pittsburgh. The Steelers ignored the
CBA, and suspended him, if I recall correctly.
So, the Jets could suspend him, if they wanted to, & fight it out with the *union* after
the fact. The Jets could also just make it as if it were a personnel decision, & just
make him an inactive, too. They won't, but they could.

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TOPIC: OT: Vick to start for Eagles
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/24f9ad232a07c7d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 8:32 pm
From: "papa.carl44"


Being in Central Jersey I got the Philly news announcement that Vick has now
been named the starter. They were interviewing folks around Center
City....they all felt as though he paid his price and as long as he could
bring them a winner he should start. So....if The Jets lose without
Braylon....I guess all will be forgiven :-)


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 8:42 pm
From: Michael


On Sep 21, 11:32 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> Being in Central Jersey I got the Philly news announcement that Vick has now
> been named the starter.  They were interviewing folks around Center
> City....they all felt as though he paid his price and as long as he could
> bring them a winner he should start.  So....if The Jets lose without
> Braylon....I guess all will be forgiven :-)

i saw vick almost win their first game for them... he was running like
the old vick, passing, driving the offense... he did everyting but
boil dogs

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TOPIC: According to ESPN: Woodhead to replace Faulk?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0201509adf663880?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:15 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors#6258

The Pats signed Danny Woodhead on Saturday, and he could enter the
mix as the team's replacement for Faulk. There has been some chatter
about New England potentially trading for the Buffalo Bills' Marshawn
Lynch or the New York Giants' Brandon Jacobs, but ESPNBoston.com's
Mike Reiss writes that he can't see either of those players ending up
with the Patriots. Even if they did, neither back is a viable third-
down option, so such a trade wouldn't solve the team's Faulk problem.

For now, it looks like Woodhead could join the Pats' sizable RB
rotation.
___________________________________________________________________

I'm not really interested in seeing him come back to bite us on the
ass.

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TOPIC: An interesting take on Edwards
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0b0f879dc232aa8c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:29 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/7251/jets-may-be-better-off-without-edwards

Jets may be better off without Edwards
September, 21, 2010
By John Fisher

If New York Jets wide receiver Braylon Edwards is unable to play this
weekend, what will the effect be on the Jets offense? Quarterback Mark
Sanchez completed less than 54 percent of his passes as a rookie last
year, but is up over 60 percent through two games this season. And
that could improve even more WITHOUT Edwards.

The Jets had only three players who were targeted more than 26 times
last season, and Edwards had the lowest catch percentage of the three.
Jerricho Cotchery caught 60 percent of the passes thrown his way,
while Dustin Keller hauled in more than 56 percent. Edwards caught
exactly half of the 70 passes that were intended for him as a Jet.

Most interceptions as targeted receiver in 2009
Calvin Johnson DET 11
Steve Smith CAR 11
Braylon Edwards NYJ 10
Antonio Bryant TB 10
Reggie Wayne IND 10

And with Sanchez being second in the league in interceptions thrown
last season, expect an improvement in that area as well. Only two
players in the entire league were the target on more of their
quarterback's interceptions than Edwards was last season. And since
the beginning of 2008, only Calvin Johnson (22) has seen more picks on
passes thrown his way than Edwards (19).

In fact, Sanchez had a higher passer rating when targeting 10
different receivers last year than he did when throwing the ball
Edwards' way.

On top of all that, only one player – Kansas City Chiefs WR Dwayne
Bowe with 23 – has dropped more passes since the start of 2008 than
the 21 that Edwards has had go through his hands.

_____________________________________________________

I guess that Cotch becomes the #1?

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TOPIC: quarter-by-quarter analysis of the game
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/578cd56865754736?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:33 pm
From: MZ


John C TX wrote:
> On Sep 21, 10:22 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> This guy is an intern for ESPN, but writes a very interesting
>> quarter-by-quarter review every week from watching the game tape. It's
>> Patriots-centric, but there's some interesting stuff about Jets
>> performance as well. e.g. DBrick seemed to have some real problems in
>> this game, despite the rest of the offense firing on all cylinders;
>> Devito had a big game against Koppen, etc.
>>
>> http://espn.go.com/blog/bostonnew-england-patriots/post/_/id/4683733/...
>>
>> (click the "next" button at the bottom for the other three quarters)
>
> I was never as down on Brick as some but I never got that excited last
> year when many did. LT's are like relievers, some suck, some are OK
> but all will break your heart eventually.
>
> Historically how did Light do vs. Taylor?

Historically, Light has been owned by Taylor. The only guy he's fared
worse against over the years was Schobel.

I don't remember the sack fumble exactly, but supposedly it was only a 3
man rush and IIRC Taylor beat Light on the inside with a spin. I wonder
if this could have been an instance where not having Mankins hurt? I
don't remember if Connolly was engaged or not, and who knows what the
blocking assignments were?


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