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* Jets @ 'Fins predictions, anyone? - 7 messages, 6 authors
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* Namath takes it Jets management... priceless... - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Braylon Edwards Just Got Arrested for DUI! Now Let's Go Get A Goddamn Snack!
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* Brick & Gholston in the car with Braylon... - 6 messages, 3 authors
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* Miami Defense - 1 messages, 1 author
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 12:04 am
From: rt


On Sep 24, 9:05 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 24, 8:56 pm, rt <bellingham...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 24, 5:32 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > > I kinda stay away from these things, but hey, I'm in this week.
>
> > > Jets:   20-10
>
> > > My real only fear of the Miami O, is Fasano on Leonard, if Rex does that.
> > > Play-action to Fasano scares me a bit, but hopefully, Rex will help me get over it.
>
> > > As for the Jets... Keller comes up big at WR, and LT/Shonn outgain the 'Fins duo by 50-75
> > > yards.
>
> > > If the Jets can win this game, it'll be a great measure of their focus, after this crazy
> > > Media week, when the game itself wasn't mentioned.
>
> > Fins: 20-13
>
> > I don't know that I believe in our defense yet (the Bills and "Bad
> > Favre" aren't the best litmus tests), but we're 2-0 and haven't played
> > a home game.  Am hoping crowd noise will be an issue for Sanchez.
> > Wouldn't be shocked to see LT have an impressive outing, and if your
> > boy Shonn can hold onto the ball, he can be a load to bring down.
> > Hoping the inevitable Braylon meltdown has begun.
>
> > If Miami wins this game we're half way to my preseason 6-10
> > prediction.   Plus, we'll be 1-0 against the next Super Bowl
> > champions!  ;-)
>
> > rt
>
> Your team can't score RT, how are they going to hang 20 on the Jets D?

We've not been able to score for so long I'm just used to it. But our
OL is better, our WR's are way better, and perhaps Robo-Henne is
better enough than the team that moved the ball through the heart of
the Jets D in the final drive the last time we played MNF, and the
Jets are without Fatboy, their best LB, and Revis. I couldn't not
pick Miami and myself in the mirror.

Harlan makes a good point- the winner of this game will feel pretty
good about themselves, especially given Faulk is done in NE.

To a great game!
rt


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 5:17 am
From: Michael


On Sep 25, 12:47 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> On 9/25/2010 12:34 AM, Michael wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 25, 12:07 am, Glenn Greenstein<lexa...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
> >> On Sep 24, 10:51 pm, Harlan Lachman<har...@eeivt.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> In article
> >>> <8fbb3fe3-a97e-4ceb-917d-eab348930...@q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >>>   rt<bellingham...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>> On Sep 24, 5:32 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com>  wrote:
> >>>>> I kinda stay away from these things, but hey, I'm in this week.
>
> >>>>> Jets:   20-10
>
> >>>>> My real only fear of the Miami O, is Fasano on Leonard, if Rex does that.
> >>>>> Play-action to Fasano scares me a bit, but hopefully, Rex will help me get
> >>>>> over it.
>
> >>>>> As for the Jets... Keller comes up big at WR, and LT/Shonn outgain the
> >>>>> 'Fins duo by 50-75
> >>>>> yards.
>
> >>>>> If the Jets can win this game, it'll be a great measure of their focus,
> >>>>> after this crazy
> >>>>> Media week, when the game itself wasn't mentioned.
>
> >>>> Fins: 20-13
>
> >>>> I don't know that I believe in our defense yet (the Bills and "Bad
> >>>> Favre" aren't the best litmus tests), but we're 2-0 and haven't played
> >>>> a home game.  Am hoping crowd noise will be an issue for Sanchez.
> >>>> Wouldn't be shocked to see LT have an impressive outing, and if your
> >>>> boy Shonn can hold onto the ball, he can be a load to bring down.
> >>>> Hoping the inevitable Braylon meltdown has begun.
>
> >>>> If Miami wins this game we're half way to my preseason 6-10
> >>>> prediction.   Plus, we'll be 1-0 against the next Super Bowl
> >>>> champions!  ;-)
>
> >>>> rt
>
> >>> Guys, which ever team wins this game is well positioned for a good
> >>> season.
>
> >>> If we cannot beat the Fish by ten or more points, we don't have to worry
> >>> about any SB this year.
>
> >>> If the Fish beat us by a TD after having had so much trouble on Offense,
> >>> with the Jets facing a loss putting them 2.5 games behind a division
> >>> rival and right after a momentous victory, Jet fans can relax about
> >>> anything good happening. Ain't gonna happen.
>
> >>> This is the year that we should reverse the good deed the Fish did to us
> >>> last year. We should sweep both games. I will be disappointed if the
> >>> games are squeakers.
>
> >>> harlan
>
> >> Actually I expect a low scoring defensive slugfest. 10-16 Jets- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > henning knows he'll have a hard time running against the jets.  i bet
> > he comes out throwing it and winds up paying.   if they cant run it on
> > the jets and henne has to drop back more than 25 times, the fish are
> > toast. no way is the fish o-line gonna push around pouha, devito,
> > scott and harris.  if they get any yardage on the ground it will be
> > with wildcat smoke and mirrors... that is their only hope.  that the
> > jets d over commits and leaves gaps open.  this game is gonna show
> > miami up for being a second rate team.
>
> Why wouldn't they be able to?  Last year it was one of the most
> dominating offensive lines in football.  Pouha and Devito aren't scaring
> anybody.  I'd focus on running the ball.  Don't want to play into Rex's
> hands by getting into 3rd and longs.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Pouha and Devito do a good job of it. I think you are underestimating
them. Dont forget the LB's that play behind them; Scott and Harris.
No way is Miami gonna muscle them up. Aint gonna happen. If they can
run it, it will be because they go wildcat and hit gaps the jets dont
have covered. If Henne is forced to throw and I think this likely,
the Fish will be in trouble.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 6:32 am
From: buRford


On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:47:33 -0400, MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:

>On 9/25/2010 12:34 AM, Michael wrote:
>> On Sep 25, 12:07 am, Glenn Greenstein<lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 24, 10:51 pm, Harlan Lachman<har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <8fbb3fe3-a97e-4ceb-917d-eab348930...@q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>
>>>> rt<bellingham...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 24, 5:32 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I kinda stay away from these things, but hey, I'm in this week.
>>>
>>>>>> Jets: 20-10
>>>
>>>>>> My real only fear of the Miami O, is Fasano on Leonard, if Rex does that.
>>>>>> Play-action to Fasano scares me a bit, but hopefully, Rex will help me get
>>>>>> over it.
>>>
>>>>>> As for the Jets... Keller comes up big at WR, and LT/Shonn outgain the
>>>>>> 'Fins duo by 50-75
>>>>>> yards.
>>>
>>>>>> If the Jets can win this game, it'll be a great measure of their focus,
>>>>>> after this crazy
>>>>>> Media week, when the game itself wasn't mentioned.
>>>
>>>>> Fins: 20-13
>>>
>>>>> I don't know that I believe in our defense yet (the Bills and "Bad
>>>>> Favre" aren't the best litmus tests), but we're 2-0 and haven't played
>>>>> a home game. Am hoping crowd noise will be an issue for Sanchez.
>>>>> Wouldn't be shocked to see LT have an impressive outing, and if your
>>>>> boy Shonn can hold onto the ball, he can be a load to bring down.
>>>>> Hoping the inevitable Braylon meltdown has begun.
>>>
>>>>> If Miami wins this game we're half way to my preseason 6-10
>>>>> prediction. Plus, we'll be 1-0 against the next Super Bowl
>>>>> champions! ;-)
>>>
>>>>> rt
>>>
>>>> Guys, which ever team wins this game is well positioned for a good
>>>> season.
>>>
>>>> If we cannot beat the Fish by ten or more points, we don't have to worry
>>>> about any SB this year.
>>>
>>>> If the Fish beat us by a TD after having had so much trouble on Offense,
>>>> with the Jets facing a loss putting them 2.5 games behind a division
>>>> rival and right after a momentous victory, Jet fans can relax about
>>>> anything good happening. Ain't gonna happen.
>>>
>>>> This is the year that we should reverse the good deed the Fish did to us
>>>> last year. We should sweep both games. I will be disappointed if the
>>>> games are squeakers.
>>>
>>>> harlan
>>>
>>> Actually I expect a low scoring defensive slugfest. 10-16 Jets- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> henning knows he'll have a hard time running against the jets. i bet
>> he comes out throwing it and winds up paying. if they cant run it on
>> the jets and henne has to drop back more than 25 times, the fish are
>> toast. no way is the fish o-line gonna push around pouha, devito,
>> scott and harris. if they get any yardage on the ground it will be
>> with wildcat smoke and mirrors... that is their only hope. that the
>> jets d over commits and leaves gaps open. this game is gonna show
>> miami up for being a second rate team.
>
>Why wouldn't they be able to? Last year it was one of the most
>dominating offensive lines in football. Pouha and Devito aren't scaring
>anybody. I'd focus on running the ball. Don't want to play into Rex's
>hands by getting into 3rd and longs.

I don't know, Mark... they haven't been so great on 3rd & longs, even last season.
For me, it'll be interesting to see how the D responds, as three of their best D players
are out. I expect a big game from Gholston ;)


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 6:34 am
From: buRford


On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:27:59 -0400, MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:

>On 9/24/2010 8:32 PM, buRford wrote:
>> I kinda stay away from these things, but hey, I'm in this week.
>>
>> Jets: 20-10
>>
>> My real only fear of the Miami O, is Fasano on Leonard, if Rex does that.
>> Play-action to Fasano scares me a bit, but hopefully, Rex will help me get over it.
>>
>> As for the Jets... Keller comes up big at WR, and LT/Shonn outgain the 'Fins duo by 50-75
>> yards.
>>
>> If the Jets can win this game, it'll be a great measure of their focus, after this crazy
>> Media week, when the game itself wasn't mentioned.
>
><sigh>
>
>I didn't want to...
>
>Dolphins 13-12
>
>That's right, 4 Jets FGs in this one.

Hey, we all have to be wrong sometime ;)


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 6:42 am
From: MZ


On 9/25/2010 9:32 AM, buRford wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:47:33 -0400, MZ<mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>
>> On 9/25/2010 12:34 AM, Michael wrote:
>>> On Sep 25, 12:07 am, Glenn Greenstein<lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 24, 10:51 pm, Harlan Lachman<har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <8fbb3fe3-a97e-4ceb-917d-eab348930...@q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>
>>>>> rt<bellingham...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 24, 5:32 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I kinda stay away from these things, but hey, I'm in this week.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Jets: 20-10
>>>>
>>>>>>> My real only fear of the Miami O, is Fasano on Leonard, if Rex does that.
>>>>>>> Play-action to Fasano scares me a bit, but hopefully, Rex will help me get
>>>>>>> over it.
>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the Jets... Keller comes up big at WR, and LT/Shonn outgain the
>>>>>>> 'Fins duo by 50-75
>>>>>>> yards.
>>>>
>>>>>>> If the Jets can win this game, it'll be a great measure of their focus,
>>>>>>> after this crazy
>>>>>>> Media week, when the game itself wasn't mentioned.
>>>>
>>>>>> Fins: 20-13
>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know that I believe in our defense yet (the Bills and "Bad
>>>>>> Favre" aren't the best litmus tests), but we're 2-0 and haven't played
>>>>>> a home game. Am hoping crowd noise will be an issue for Sanchez.
>>>>>> Wouldn't be shocked to see LT have an impressive outing, and if your
>>>>>> boy Shonn can hold onto the ball, he can be a load to bring down.
>>>>>> Hoping the inevitable Braylon meltdown has begun.
>>>>
>>>>>> If Miami wins this game we're half way to my preseason 6-10
>>>>>> prediction. Plus, we'll be 1-0 against the next Super Bowl
>>>>>> champions! ;-)
>>>>
>>>>>> rt
>>>>
>>>>> Guys, which ever team wins this game is well positioned for a good
>>>>> season.
>>>>
>>>>> If we cannot beat the Fish by ten or more points, we don't have to worry
>>>>> about any SB this year.
>>>>
>>>>> If the Fish beat us by a TD after having had so much trouble on Offense,
>>>>> with the Jets facing a loss putting them 2.5 games behind a division
>>>>> rival and right after a momentous victory, Jet fans can relax about
>>>>> anything good happening. Ain't gonna happen.
>>>>
>>>>> This is the year that we should reverse the good deed the Fish did to us
>>>>> last year. We should sweep both games. I will be disappointed if the
>>>>> games are squeakers.
>>>>
>>>>> harlan
>>>>
>>>> Actually I expect a low scoring defensive slugfest. 10-16 Jets- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> henning knows he'll have a hard time running against the jets. i bet
>>> he comes out throwing it and winds up paying. if they cant run it on
>>> the jets and henne has to drop back more than 25 times, the fish are
>>> toast. no way is the fish o-line gonna push around pouha, devito,
>>> scott and harris. if they get any yardage on the ground it will be
>>> with wildcat smoke and mirrors... that is their only hope. that the
>>> jets d over commits and leaves gaps open. this game is gonna show
>>> miami up for being a second rate team.
>>
>> Why wouldn't they be able to? Last year it was one of the most
>> dominating offensive lines in football. Pouha and Devito aren't scaring
>> anybody. I'd focus on running the ball. Don't want to play into Rex's
>> hands by getting into 3rd and longs.
>
> I don't know, Mark... they haven't been so great on 3rd& longs, even last season.
> For me, it'll be interesting to see how the D responds, as three of their best D players
> are out. I expect a big game from Gholston ;)

Last year they had the lowest 3rd down conversion percentage in football.


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 9:45 am
From: Deadmeat


On 9/25/2010 12:05 AM, Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> On Sep 24, 8:56 pm, rt<bellingham...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 24, 5:32 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I kinda stay away from these things, but hey, I'm in this week.
>>
>>> Jets: 20-10
>>
>>> My real only fear of the Miami O, is Fasano on Leonard, if Rex does that.
>>> Play-action to Fasano scares me a bit, but hopefully, Rex will help me get over it.
>>
>>> As for the Jets... Keller comes up big at WR, and LT/Shonn outgain the 'Fins duo by 50-75
>>> yards.
>>
>>> If the Jets can win this game, it'll be a great measure of their focus, after this crazy
>>> Media week, when the game itself wasn't mentioned.
>>
>> Fins: 20-13
>>
>> I don't know that I believe in our defense yet (the Bills and "Bad
>> Favre" aren't the best litmus tests), but we're 2-0 and haven't played
>> a home game. Am hoping crowd noise will be an issue for Sanchez.
>> Wouldn't be shocked to see LT have an impressive outing, and if your
>> boy Shonn can hold onto the ball, he can be a load to bring down.
>> Hoping the inevitable Braylon meltdown has begun.
>>
>> If Miami wins this game we're half way to my preseason 6-10
>> prediction. Plus, we'll be 1-0 against the next Super Bowl
>> champions! ;-)
>>
>> rt
>
> Your team can't score RT, how are they going to hang 20 on the Jets D?


They couldn't score last year either, but they managed over 400 yards
and 31 points in the first game, so it can be done.

Patiently waiting for the list of excuses as to why that happened.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 6:12 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On Sep 24, 7:51 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <8fbb3fe3-a97e-4ceb-917d-eab348930...@q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>  rt <bellingham...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 24, 5:32 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> > > I kinda stay away from these things, but hey, I'm in this week.
>
> > > Jets:   20-10
>
> > > My real only fear of the Miami O, is Fasano on Leonard, if Rex does that.
> > > Play-action to Fasano scares me a bit, but hopefully, Rex will help me get
> > > over it.
>
> > > As for the Jets... Keller comes up big at WR, and LT/Shonn outgain the
> > > 'Fins duo by 50-75
> > > yards.
>
> > > If the Jets can win this game, it'll be a great measure of their focus,
> > > after this crazy
> > > Media week, when the game itself wasn't mentioned.
>
> > Fins: 20-13
>
> > I don't know that I believe in our defense yet (the Bills and "Bad
> > Favre" aren't the best litmus tests), but we're 2-0 and haven't played
> > a home game.  Am hoping crowd noise will be an issue for Sanchez.
> > Wouldn't be shocked to see LT have an impressive outing, and if your
> > boy Shonn can hold onto the ball, he can be a load to bring down.
> > Hoping the inevitable Braylon meltdown has begun.
>
> > If Miami wins this game we're half way to my preseason 6-10
> > prediction.   Plus, we'll be 1-0 against the next Super Bowl
> > champions!  ;-)
>
> > rt
>
> Guys, which ever team wins this game is well positioned for a good
> season.
>
> If we cannot beat the Fish by ten or more points, we don't have to worry
> about any SB this year.
>
> If the Fish beat us by a TD after having had so much trouble on Offense,
> with the Jets facing a loss putting them 2.5 games behind a division
> rival and right after a momentous victory, Jet fans can relax about
> anything good happening. Ain't gonna happen.
>
> This is the year that we should reverse the good deed the Fish did to us
> last year. We should sweep both games. I will be disappointed if the
> games are squeakers.
>
> harlan

Damn! After a year off, I'm back to agreeing pretty much with
everything you say. The way I see both contests is that we win them
both by pretty handy scores, although the games might appear much
closer. But I'll take two 1 point wins. Anything to wipe the shit
eating grins of the faces of fin fans world wide. I hate 'em.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 6:28 am
From: buRford


On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:15:04 -0400, "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

>
>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>news:vqgq96hu569cn27f55vhl7f2q8m9t2chs3@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:50:13 -0700 (PDT), Ritchie <ritchie1965@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And I've never seen arrogance from Namath... but we all see things
>>>> differently.
>>>> On the rest of it, I'm the same as you... never owned a jersey, and
>>>> while I defend Namath,
>>>> I've never had any sports heros... well, maybe Katerina Witt ;)
>>>
>>>All right, now we're talking! :)
>>
>> With honorable mention to Maria Sharapova. I actually saw her at a
>> Restaurant a while
>> back... an Amazon goddess, she's got to be over 6 ft.
>> Sad that there haven't been many American athletic babes. When I was
>> young, I liked Chris
>> Evert, but she reminded me of my girlfriend at the time ;)
>>
>>>
>>>> I used to have season's tickets, but dumped them years ago. I'll still
>>>> go to a rare game,
>>>> but I hear ya.-
>>>
>>>Last time I went to a game was years ago during the Kotite era (yikes)
>>>and haven't been back since. Those hardcore drunken sports fans ruined
>>>it for me.
>>
>> Kotite? Hmmm, can't place the name ;)
>
>
>It was a TV show..."You have entered the Kotite Zone"....it was very surreal
>and characterized by a guy who always looked like an unmade bed.
>

Oh, thanks, Carl... I thought maybe it was, "Welcome Back, Kotite." ;)


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 9:08 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
news:v6ur96585v7n3kaqd0jre4p5sqpag2o711@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:15:04 -0400, "papa.carl44"
> <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>news:vqgq96hu569cn27f55vhl7f2q8m9t2chs3@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:50:13 -0700 (PDT), Ritchie
>>> <ritchie1965@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And I've never seen arrogance from Namath... but we all see things
>>>>> differently.
>>>>> On the rest of it, I'm the same as you... never owned a jersey, and
>>>>> while I defend Namath,
>>>>> I've never had any sports heros... well, maybe Katerina Witt ;)
>>>>
>>>>All right, now we're talking! :)
>>>
>>> With honorable mention to Maria Sharapova. I actually saw her at a
>>> Restaurant a while
>>> back... an Amazon goddess, she's got to be over 6 ft.
>>> Sad that there haven't been many American athletic babes. When I was
>>> young, I liked Chris
>>> Evert, but she reminded me of my girlfriend at the time ;)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I used to have season's tickets, but dumped them years ago. I'll still
>>>>> go to a rare game,
>>>>> but I hear ya.-
>>>>
>>>>Last time I went to a game was years ago during the Kotite era (yikes)
>>>>and haven't been back since. Those hardcore drunken sports fans ruined
>>>>it for me.
>>>
>>> Kotite? Hmmm, can't place the name ;)
>>
>>
>>It was a TV show..."You have entered the Kotite Zone"....it was very
>>surreal
>>and characterized by a guy who always looked like an unmade bed.
>>
>
> Oh, thanks, Carl... I thought maybe it was, "Welcome Back, Kotite." ;)

That was too happy....the show that starred Richie had a very black comedy
plot line in it....funny in a tragic way...and it made thousands cry.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Braylon Edwards Just Got Arrested for DUI! Now Let's Go Get A Goddamn
Snack!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/87257d1ffdb6b741?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 8:17 am
From: Tutor


On Sep 25, 2:28 am, Rex <rr76...@msn.com> wrote:
> .

Did you think this one up all by yourself or did you have help?

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Brick & Gholston in the car with Braylon...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/02c48fd142be431b?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 8:57 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:RuednTe-dpuZNQHRnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com...
> papa.carl44 wrote:
>> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
>> news:h8ednbKh1a2lgQHRnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>>> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
>>>> news:h8ednbWh1a32DQbRnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> papa.carl44 wrote:
>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:49203fd7-e8e8-4275-acfc-f32d13e11585@q2g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 9:27 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 8:17 pm, "yoyodog" <connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:5NmdnWd406DqpwTRnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:00032c4e-2ea9-4726-ad71-fed230007c19@t3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 6:42 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:jn6i961jh59cl1t42003du2kp1e1ljiedr@4ax.com...> And this is
>>>>>>>>>>> why I
>>>>>>>>>>> want him off the team. Brick & Gholston have been
>>>>>>>>>>>> clean... now they're
>>>>>>>>>>>> pulled into this crap. And then you have the anonymous players,
>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>> pissed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This whole thing can lead to factions in an otherwise tight
>>>>>>>>>>>> clubhouse.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It aint all about Edwards & our depleted WR corps.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jets teammates disappointed -- but 'not surprised' -- by
>>>>>>>>>>>> Braylon
>>>>>>>>>>>> Edwards'
>>>>>>>>>>>> DWI »
>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing good ever happens after 5:00AM when you are still out
>>>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>>>> night
>>>>>>>>>>> before. The story says that he registered a .16 and that it
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty far
>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. He should not have been driving with that much alcohol in
>>>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>>>> And he had some other players in there with him so the team
>>>>>>>>>>> could have
>>>>>>>>>>> really been hurt in there had been an accident.
>>>>>>>>>>> But it was his first offense of that nature so maybe the NFL
>>>>>>>>>>> will not do
>>>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>>> for a guy his size, how many drinks do you need in you to blow a
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>> 16 ???
>>>>>>>>> It sounded like it may have been a fourteen hour binge and drinks
>>>>>>>>> wear off
>>>>>>>>> at about the rate of one per hour. But he may not have been
>>>>>>>>> drinking at
>>>>>>>>> all during the fan event and went to power drinking after the
>>>>>>>>> public part
>>>>>>>>> was over. So if you figure the nine hour time frame it would be
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> like drinking a twelve pack of twelve ounce beers or maybe up to
>>>>>>>>> fifteen.
>>>>>>>>> That would also be like about 10 3/4 ounce shots of Patrone.
>>>>>>>>> Just for fun I look up a bac calculator for Edwards weight and it
>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>> nine standard cocktails over nine hours would be .157 bac so my
>>>>>>>>> guesswork
>>>>>>>>> was pretty close.
>>>>>>>>> Anyhow, the Jets are one of the few big media darling teams
>>>>>>>>> outside of New
>>>>>>>>> Orleans so I predict that the NFL will tread pretty lightly on the
>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>> personal conduct policy. They can be as arbitrary as they want
>>>>>>>>> since the
>>>>>>>>> NFL players have the worst union in the history of unions. But in
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> case it can actually work in the player's favor. Arbitrary works
>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>>> ways.
>>>>>>>>> And there is always the chance of the charges being dropped
>>>>>>>>> altogether
>>>>>>>>> which would be excellent because the police did not have a reason
>>>>>>>>> to pull
>>>>>>>>> him over.
>>>>>>>> FYI this is why he was pulled over in the first
>>>>>>>> place:www.ehow.com/about_5262688_new-state-window-tint-laws.html
>>>>>>>> Totally absurb yet totally legit- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>> Not absurd at all. As a retired police officer I cant even tell you
>>>>>>> how many times I went up to a vehicle I had stopped that had dark
>>>>>>> tinted windows and I was wondering was this it? Is this guy hiding a
>>>>>>> gun behind the window? Am I going to get shot and killed? There is
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> reason to have that dark of a tint unless the person is hiding
>>>>>>> something. After I would investigate the situation I would always
>>>>>>> issue a summons for the tinted windows which in NYC was an easy win
>>>>>>> summons because the burden of proof lies with the defendant. In
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> words he has to prove that the percentage of tint is legal. I never
>>>>>>> lost any summonses that i issued, a record that i am proud of.- Hide
>>>>>>> quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>> in ny/nj yes... in the soutwest you have a legit reason for window
>>>>>> tint. i've been to az a number of times and i saw it all over the
>>>>>> place. i dont know what the law is there about dark window tint, but
>>>>>> if they have one there, no way do they enforce it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael, I've spent time in the Southwest too...my wife's sister
>>>>>> lives in NM....and yes, it is sunny, and hot...but you do not need
>>>>>> super dark tinted windows to survive there......and if you park the
>>>>>> car you can put up a screen if it gets to you that much....I
>>>>>> completely agree with protecting law enforcement people, and the
>>>>>> level of tint we're talking about is all about hiding something.
>>>>> Whoa, you absolutely DO need mega tint in the southwest. I've seen
>>>>> stuff melt that you wouldn't think could melt in a car. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> I sympathize with law enforcement, but I think it's silly for the
>>>>> entire populace to have to sacrifice something very useful (and
>>>>> green!) just because of the extremely rare number of people out there
>>>>> who are inclined to shoot cops. If a cop truly can't see through the
>>>>> window, then he should get on the loudspeaker and tell the guy to get
>>>>> out of the car or to roll the windows down before he approaches the
>>>>> vehicle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, there are certain groups of people who have problems with
>>>>> excessive sun who should be able to get medical clearance to tint
>>>>> their windows beyond the legal limit. I don't know if all states
>>>>> allow for this, but they should, at least under ADA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I think the window tint thing and the car accessory thing
>>>>> is another excuse to pull people over for DWB.
>>>> If the windows are tinted that dark...how do they know who is in the
>>>> car?
>>> Stereotyping. Ask yourself this. Why is it illegal in most states to
>>> blast your bass music at 115dB, but perfectly legal to have 115dB pipes
>>> on your motorcycle?
>>
>> My next door neighbor got nailed for his Harley, just starting it up in
>> the driveway.....the local cops made a huge issue out of it...I'm not
>> saying they don't profile...they do...and I think it is horrendous....I
>> also think the pipes should be banned.
>
> Yeah, but there's definitely some, shall we say, inconsistencies in
> enforcement.

Absolutely. I'm in the latter half of my 60's :-) My son if a Federal law
enforcement agent with a very dangerous job, I believe in supporting these
people but things have really changed on some levels. Once upon a time I
would turn to a police officer in an instant for help on something relevant,
now I feel a sense of anxiety or fear if any of the locals even come near
me. We have been robbed, and were witness to a crime and the way we were
treated was dispicable. I have lost a sense of trust in what goes on now
and I would not go to local law enforcement for anything after what I've
seen and experienced first hand.


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 9:04 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:9c364026-6cc8-4361-b575-974fef3a4422@g18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 23, 11:23 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:a03bc018-7b67-436f-88cb-de9098bb62da@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 23, 12:06 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:49203fd7-e8e8-4275-acfc-f32d13e11585@q2g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 21, 9:27 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 21, 8:17 pm, "yoyodog" <connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:5NmdnWd406DqpwTRnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > > > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > > >news:00032c4e-2ea9-4726-ad71-fed230007c19@t3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >> On Sep 21, 6:42 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > > >>> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >>>news:jn6i961jh59cl1t42003du2kp1e1ljiedr@4ax.com...> And this is
> > > > >>>why
> > > > >>>I
> > > > >>> want him off the team. Brick & Gholston have been
> > > > >>> > clean... now they're
> > > > >>> > pulled into this crap. And then you have the anonymous
> > > > >>> > players,
> > > > >>> > getting
> > > > >>> > pissed.
> > > > >>> > This whole thing can lead to factions in an otherwise tight
> > > > >>> > clubhouse.
> > > > >>> > It aint all about Edwards & our depleted WR corps.
>
> > > > >>> > Jets teammates disappointed -- but 'not surprised' -- by
> > > > >>> > Braylon
> > > > >>> > Edwards'
> > > > >>> > DWI »
>
> > > > >>> Nothing good ever happens after 5:00AM when you are still out
> > > > >>> from
> > > > >>> the
> > > > >>> night
> > > > >>> before. The story says that he registered a .16 and that it
> > > > >>> pretty
> > > > >>> far
> > > > >>> drunk. He should not have been driving with that much alcohol in
> > > > >>> him.
> > > > >>> And he had some other players in there with him so the team
> > > > >>> could
> > > > >>> have
> > > > >>> really been hurt in there had been an accident.
>
> > > > >>> But it was his first offense of that nature so maybe the NFL
> > > > >>> will
> > > > >>> not do
> > > > >>> anything.
>
> > > > >> for a guy his size, how many drinks do you need in you to blow a
> > > > >> .
> > > > >> 16 ???
>
> > > > > It sounded like it may have been a fourteen hour binge and drinks
> > > > > wear
> > > > > off
> > > > > at about the rate of one per hour. But he may not have been
> > > > > drinking
> > > > > at
> > > > > all during the fan event and went to power drinking after the
> > > > > public
> > > > > part
> > > > > was over. So if you figure the nine hour time frame it would be
> > > > > about
> > > > > like drinking a twelve pack of twelve ounce beers or maybe up to
> > > > > fifteen.
> > > > > That would also be like about 10 3/4 ounce shots of Patrone.
>
> > > > > Just for fun I look up a bac calculator for Edwards weight and it
> > > > > said
> > > > > nine standard cocktails over nine hours would be .157 bac so my
> > > > > guesswork
> > > > > was pretty close.
>
> > > > > Anyhow, the Jets are one of the few big media darling teams
> > > > > outside
> > > > > of
> > > > > New
> > > > > Orleans so I predict that the NFL will tread pretty lightly on the
> > > > > whole
> > > > > personal conduct policy. They can be as arbitrary as they want
> > > > > since
> > > > > the
> > > > > NFL players have the worst union in the history of unions. But in
> > > > > this
> > > > > case it can actually work in the player's favor. Arbitrary works
> > > > > both
> > > > > ways.
>
> > > > > And there is always the chance of the charges being dropped
> > > > > altogether
> > > > > which would be excellent because the police did not have a reason
> > > > > to
> > > > > pull
> > > > > him over.
>
> > > > FYI this is why he was pulled over in the first
> > > > place:www.ehow.com/about_5262688_new-state-window-tint-laws.html
>
> > > > Totally absurb yet totally legit- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Not absurd at all. As a retired police officer I cant even tell you
> > > how many times I went up to a vehicle I had stopped that had dark
> > > tinted windows and I was wondering was this it? Is this guy hiding a
> > > gun behind the window? Am I going to get shot and killed? There is no
> > > reason to have that dark of a tint unless the person is hiding
> > > something. After I would investigate the situation I would always
> > > issue a summons for the tinted windows which in NYC was an easy win
> > > summons because the burden of proof lies with the defendant. In other
> > > words he has to prove that the percentage of tint is legal. I never
> > > lost any summonses that i issued, a record that i am proud of.- Hide
> > > quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > in ny/nj yes... in the soutwest you have a legit reason for window
> > tint. i've been to az a number of times and i saw it all over the
> > place. i dont know what the law is there about dark window tint, but
> > if they have one there, no way do they enforce it.
>
> > Michael, I've spent time in the Southwest too...my wife's sister lives
> > in
> > NM....and yes, it is sunny, and hot...but you do not need super dark
> > tinted
> > windows to survive there......and if you park the car you can put up a
> > screen if it gets to you that much....I completely agree with protecting
> > law
> > enforcement people, and the level of tint we're talking about is all
> > about
> > hiding something.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> lm getting used to you contradicting me even when i'm right :-)
> window tint in the sun belt is very common and very useful. you cant
> keep a piece of cardboard up when you are driving. yit is too much
> trouble to use a cover on every window. the sun is strong enough there
> to destroy the material that dash boards, steering wheels and seats
> are made of. it is strong enough to burn your skin if you have been
> driving long enough with the sun on you. may be we should just make a
> law to keep cars off the road all together to protect cops. if you
> want to make a push to protect law enforcement in AZ and NM, forget
> about window tint ask the fed to get on board and help them with the
> boarder issues.
>
> The average border patrol officer makes about $62,000 a year...the town I
> live in has an average police salary of $108,000 a year....and most of the
> people screaming about the border are also saying government should be
> smaller. I flat out don't give a damn...go ahead and tint your windows as
> dark as you want. I still think it's an issue for police officers
> approaching a vehicle. And, I think border patrol officers are in a lot
> more
> danger than the guys in this suburban town. I think we should put a lot of
> effort into the border...but how does smaller government do that?- Hide
> quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

papa.... i am almost always pro cop. i am not saying that it is not a
danger to cops. i agree with the law against dark window tint here in
the norteast. you have to ballance freedom vs control wisely. i
think it is wise to control it up here. im just saying that down in
the sunbelt, the stuff has a real use. we want our cops to be safe,
but im not sure if it is fair or wise to make people down in those
blistering sun states to give up dark window tint. and ditto with all
you have said about the boarder officers. we've all had our say in
here about that... after going around and around in here and all of us
making suggestions, most would like to see the military put to the
task.

You don't need the military, they are stretched way too think anyway and
they are not trained to do that job. The Border Patrol is very well
trained, but they need the numbers and the equipment to do the job and on
top of that we need agencies to stop the employers HERE who bring people
across to work in their factories, warehouses and whatever. Then...for
those who come to do a lot of jobs that most citizens will not do we need to
find a way to let them stay here legally. The rational solutions are not
that difficult to come to...what is difficult is getting some rational
people to address it. And some have stated that the stopping a car with
tinted windows is profiling...and I'll bet some of those folks love the
Arizona law. Consistency is hard to come by in our culture today.
Democracy is a bitch when it works for the other guy.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 10:21 am
From: MZ


On 9/25/2010 12:04 PM, papa.carl44 wrote:
> "Michael"<mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:9c364026-6cc8-4361-b575-974fef3a4422@g18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 23, 11:23 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:a03bc018-7b67-436f-88cb-de9098bb62da@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 23, 12:06 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>>> news:49203fd7-e8e8-4275-acfc-f32d13e11585@q2g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 21, 9:27 pm, Ritchie<ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Sep 21, 8:17 pm, "yoyodog"<connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>
>>>>> news:5NmdnWd406DqpwTRnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>>>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:00032c4e-2ea9-4726-ad71-fed230007c19@t3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 6:42 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "buRford"<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>>>> news:jn6i961jh59cl1t42003du2kp1e1ljiedr@4ax.com...> And this is
>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> want him off the team. Brick& Gholston have been
>>>>>>>>> clean... now they're
>>>>>>>>> pulled into this crap. And then you have the anonymous
>>>>>>>>> players,
>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>> pissed.
>>>>>>>>> This whole thing can lead to factions in an otherwise tight
>>>>>>>>> clubhouse.
>>>>>>>>> It aint all about Edwards& our depleted WR corps.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Jets teammates disappointed -- but 'not surprised' -- by
>>>>>>>>> Braylon
>>>>>>>>> Edwards'
>>>>>>>>> DWI »
>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing good ever happens after 5:00AM when you are still out
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> night
>>>>>>>> before. The story says that he registered a .16 and that it
>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>> drunk. He should not have been driving with that much alcohol in
>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>> And he had some other players in there with him so the team
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> really been hurt in there had been an accident.
>>
>>>>>>>> But it was his first offense of that nature so maybe the NFL
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> not do
>>>>>>>> anything.
>>
>>>>>>> for a guy his size, how many drinks do you need in you to blow a
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> 16 ???
>>
>>>>>> It sounded like it may have been a fourteen hour binge and drinks
>>>>>> wear
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> at about the rate of one per hour. But he may not have been
>>>>>> drinking
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> all during the fan event and went to power drinking after the
>>>>>> public
>>>>>> part
>>>>>> was over. So if you figure the nine hour time frame it would be
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> like drinking a twelve pack of twelve ounce beers or maybe up to
>>>>>> fifteen.
>>>>>> That would also be like about 10 3/4 ounce shots of Patrone.
>>
>>>>>> Just for fun I look up a bac calculator for Edwards weight and it
>>>>>> said
>>>>>> nine standard cocktails over nine hours would be .157 bac so my
>>>>>> guesswork
>>>>>> was pretty close.
>>
>>>>>> Anyhow, the Jets are one of the few big media darling teams
>>>>>> outside
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> New
>>>>>> Orleans so I predict that the NFL will tread pretty lightly on the
>>>>>> whole
>>>>>> personal conduct policy. They can be as arbitrary as they want
>>>>>> since
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> NFL players have the worst union in the history of unions. But in
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> case it can actually work in the player's favor. Arbitrary works
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> ways.
>>
>>>>>> And there is always the chance of the charges being dropped
>>>>>> altogether
>>>>>> which would be excellent because the police did not have a reason
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> pull
>>>>>> him over.
>>
>>>>> FYI this is why he was pulled over in the first
>>>>> place:www.ehow.com/about_5262688_new-state-window-tint-laws.html
>>
>>>>> Totally absurb yet totally legit- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>> Not absurd at all. As a retired police officer I cant even tell you
>>>> how many times I went up to a vehicle I had stopped that had dark
>>>> tinted windows and I was wondering was this it? Is this guy hiding a
>>>> gun behind the window? Am I going to get shot and killed? There is no
>>>> reason to have that dark of a tint unless the person is hiding
>>>> something. After I would investigate the situation I would always
>>>> issue a summons for the tinted windows which in NYC was an easy win
>>>> summons because the burden of proof lies with the defendant. In other
>>>> words he has to prove that the percentage of tint is legal. I never
>>>> lost any summonses that i issued, a record that i am proud of.- Hide
>>>> quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> in ny/nj yes... in the soutwest you have a legit reason for window
>>> tint. i've been to az a number of times and i saw it all over the
>>> place. i dont know what the law is there about dark window tint, but
>>> if they have one there, no way do they enforce it.
>>
>>> Michael, I've spent time in the Southwest too...my wife's sister lives
>>> in
>>> NM....and yes, it is sunny, and hot...but you do not need super dark
>>> tinted
>>> windows to survive there......and if you park the car you can put up a
>>> screen if it gets to you that much....I completely agree with protecting
>>> law
>>> enforcement people, and the level of tint we're talking about is all
>>> about
>>> hiding something.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> lm getting used to you contradicting me even when i'm right :-)
>> window tint in the sun belt is very common and very useful. you cant
>> keep a piece of cardboard up when you are driving. yit is too much
>> trouble to use a cover on every window. the sun is strong enough there
>> to destroy the material that dash boards, steering wheels and seats
>> are made of. it is strong enough to burn your skin if you have been
>> driving long enough with the sun on you. may be we should just make a
>> law to keep cars off the road all together to protect cops. if you
>> want to make a push to protect law enforcement in AZ and NM, forget
>> about window tint ask the fed to get on board and help them with the
>> boarder issues.
>>
>> The average border patrol officer makes about $62,000 a year...the town I
>> live in has an average police salary of $108,000 a year....and most of the
>> people screaming about the border are also saying government should be
>> smaller. I flat out don't give a damn...go ahead and tint your windows as
>> dark as you want. I still think it's an issue for police officers
>> approaching a vehicle. And, I think border patrol officers are in a lot
>> more
>> danger than the guys in this suburban town. I think we should put a lot of
>> effort into the border...but how does smaller government do that?- Hide
>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> papa.... i am almost always pro cop. i am not saying that it is not a
> danger to cops. i agree with the law against dark window tint here in
> the norteast. you have to ballance freedom vs control wisely. i
> think it is wise to control it up here. im just saying that down in
> the sunbelt, the stuff has a real use. we want our cops to be safe,
> but im not sure if it is fair or wise to make people down in those
> blistering sun states to give up dark window tint. and ditto with all
> you have said about the boarder officers. we've all had our say in
> here about that... after going around and around in here and all of us
> making suggestions, most would like to see the military put to the
> task.
>
> You don't need the military, they are stretched way too think anyway and
> they are not trained to do that job. The Border Patrol is very well
> trained, but they need the numbers and the equipment to do the job and on
> top of that we need agencies to stop the employers HERE who bring people
> across to work in their factories, warehouses and whatever. Then...for
> those who come to do a lot of jobs that most citizens will not do we need to
> find a way to let them stay here legally. The rational solutions are not
> that difficult to come to...what is difficult is getting some rational
> people to address it. And some have stated that the stopping a car with
> tinted windows is profiling...and I'll bet some of those folks love the
> Arizona law. Consistency is hard to come by in our culture today.
> Democracy is a bitch when it works for the other guy.

Not sure if this is directed to me or not, but I oppose stopping people
for tinted windows AND the Arizona law. In general, I don't like the
idea of people getting hassled when they're minding their own business.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 12:21 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:ZPednYuqNtQMsgPRnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 9/25/2010 12:04 PM, papa.carl44 wrote:
>> "Michael"<mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:9c364026-6cc8-4361-b575-974fef3a4422@g18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 23, 11:23 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:a03bc018-7b67-436f-88cb-de9098bb62da@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 23, 12:06 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> news:49203fd7-e8e8-4275-acfc-f32d13e11585@q2g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Sep 21, 9:27 pm, Ritchie<ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Sep 21, 8:17 pm, "yoyodog"<connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>>> news:5NmdnWd406DqpwTRnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>>>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:00032c4e-2ea9-4726-ad71-fed230007c19@t3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 6:42 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "buRford"<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>>>>>> news:jn6i961jh59cl1t42003du2kp1e1ljiedr@4ax.com...> And this is
>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> want him off the team. Brick& Gholston have been
>>>>>>>>>> clean... now they're
>>>>>>>>>> pulled into this crap. And then you have the anonymous
>>>>>>>>>> players,
>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>> pissed.
>>>>>>>>>> This whole thing can lead to factions in an otherwise tight
>>>>>>>>>> clubhouse.
>>>>>>>>>> It aint all about Edwards& our depleted WR corps.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jets teammates disappointed -- but 'not surprised' -- by
>>>>>>>>>> Braylon
>>>>>>>>>> Edwards'
>>>>>>>>>> DWI »
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nothing good ever happens after 5:00AM when you are still out
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> night
>>>>>>>>> before. The story says that he registered a .16 and that it
>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>>> drunk. He should not have been driving with that much alcohol in
>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>> And he had some other players in there with him so the team
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> really been hurt in there had been an accident.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it was his first offense of that nature so maybe the NFL
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> not do
>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>
>>>>>>>> for a guy his size, how many drinks do you need in you to blow a
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> 16 ???
>>>
>>>>>>> It sounded like it may have been a fourteen hour binge and drinks
>>>>>>> wear
>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>> at about the rate of one per hour. But he may not have been
>>>>>>> drinking
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> all during the fan event and went to power drinking after the
>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>> was over. So if you figure the nine hour time frame it would be
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> like drinking a twelve pack of twelve ounce beers or maybe up to
>>>>>>> fifteen.
>>>>>>> That would also be like about 10 3/4 ounce shots of Patrone.
>>>
>>>>>>> Just for fun I look up a bac calculator for Edwards weight and it
>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>> nine standard cocktails over nine hours would be .157 bac so my
>>>>>>> guesswork
>>>>>>> was pretty close.
>>>
>>>>>>> Anyhow, the Jets are one of the few big media darling teams
>>>>>>> outside
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> New
>>>>>>> Orleans so I predict that the NFL will tread pretty lightly on the
>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>> personal conduct policy. They can be as arbitrary as they want
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> NFL players have the worst union in the history of unions. But in
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> case it can actually work in the player's favor. Arbitrary works
>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>> ways.
>>>
>>>>>>> And there is always the chance of the charges being dropped
>>>>>>> altogether
>>>>>>> which would be excellent because the police did not have a reason
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> pull
>>>>>>> him over.
>>>
>>>>>> FYI this is why he was pulled over in the first
>>>>>> place:www.ehow.com/about_5262688_new-state-window-tint-laws.html
>>>
>>>>>> Totally absurb yet totally legit- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>>> Not absurd at all. As a retired police officer I cant even tell you
>>>>> how many times I went up to a vehicle I had stopped that had dark
>>>>> tinted windows and I was wondering was this it? Is this guy hiding a
>>>>> gun behind the window? Am I going to get shot and killed? There is no
>>>>> reason to have that dark of a tint unless the person is hiding
>>>>> something. After I would investigate the situation I would always
>>>>> issue a summons for the tinted windows which in NYC was an easy win
>>>>> summons because the burden of proof lies with the defendant. In other
>>>>> words he has to prove that the percentage of tint is legal. I never
>>>>> lost any summonses that i issued, a record that i am proud of.- Hide
>>>>> quoted text -
>>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>> in ny/nj yes... in the soutwest you have a legit reason for window
>>>> tint. i've been to az a number of times and i saw it all over the
>>>> place. i dont know what the law is there about dark window tint, but
>>>> if they have one there, no way do they enforce it.
>>>
>>>> Michael, I've spent time in the Southwest too...my wife's sister lives
>>>> in
>>>> NM....and yes, it is sunny, and hot...but you do not need super dark
>>>> tinted
>>>> windows to survive there......and if you park the car you can put up a
>>>> screen if it gets to you that much....I completely agree with
>>>> protecting
>>>> law
>>>> enforcement people, and the level of tint we're talking about is all
>>>> about
>>>> hiding something.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> lm getting used to you contradicting me even when i'm right :-)
>>> window tint in the sun belt is very common and very useful. you cant
>>> keep a piece of cardboard up when you are driving. yit is too much
>>> trouble to use a cover on every window. the sun is strong enough there
>>> to destroy the material that dash boards, steering wheels and seats
>>> are made of. it is strong enough to burn your skin if you have been
>>> driving long enough with the sun on you. may be we should just make a
>>> law to keep cars off the road all together to protect cops. if you
>>> want to make a push to protect law enforcement in AZ and NM, forget
>>> about window tint ask the fed to get on board and help them with the
>>> boarder issues.
>>>
>>> The average border patrol officer makes about $62,000 a year...the town
>>> I
>>> live in has an average police salary of $108,000 a year....and most of
>>> the
>>> people screaming about the border are also saying government should be
>>> smaller. I flat out don't give a damn...go ahead and tint your windows
>>> as
>>> dark as you want. I still think it's an issue for police officers
>>> approaching a vehicle. And, I think border patrol officers are in a lot
>>> more
>>> danger than the guys in this suburban town. I think we should put a lot
>>> of
>>> effort into the border...but how does smaller government do that?- Hide
>>> quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> papa.... i am almost always pro cop. i am not saying that it is not a
>> danger to cops. i agree with the law against dark window tint here in
>> the norteast. you have to ballance freedom vs control wisely. i
>> think it is wise to control it up here. im just saying that down in
>> the sunbelt, the stuff has a real use. we want our cops to be safe,
>> but im not sure if it is fair or wise to make people down in those
>> blistering sun states to give up dark window tint. and ditto with all
>> you have said about the boarder officers. we've all had our say in
>> here about that... after going around and around in here and all of us
>> making suggestions, most would like to see the military put to the
>> task.
>>
>> You don't need the military, they are stretched way too think anyway and
>> they are not trained to do that job. The Border Patrol is very well
>> trained, but they need the numbers and the equipment to do the job and on
>> top of that we need agencies to stop the employers HERE who bring people
>> across to work in their factories, warehouses and whatever. Then...for
>> those who come to do a lot of jobs that most citizens will not do we need
>> to
>> find a way to let them stay here legally. The rational solutions are not
>> that difficult to come to...what is difficult is getting some rational
>> people to address it. And some have stated that the stopping a car with
>> tinted windows is profiling...and I'll bet some of those folks love the
>> Arizona law. Consistency is hard to come by in our culture today.
>> Democracy is a bitch when it works for the other guy.
>
> Not sure if this is directed to me or not, but I oppose stopping people
> for tinted windows AND the Arizona law. In general, I don't like the idea
> of people getting hassled when they're minding their own business.

Mark..it wasn't at all...I think I've come to know where you are on this.
And we agree completely on the Arizona law. I don't think people should be
stopped for tinted windows either....but if the state has to inspect and
register a car it should have some standards. That is the place to deal
with this stuff. I'll go along that a window may be in the legal limits and
will still get pulled over. I find all of that stuff offensive too. I'd
love to share some stuff with you, but I don't think this is a good place.
I agree, someone just being themselves and not bothering anybody should be
left alone. A couple of months ago I answered my cellphone while driving, I
got stopped and as I should have got a ticket. What bothered me was not my
own stupidity for using the phone wihile driving, but the way I was treated
by the police officer...it was as over the top as could be imagined. It's a
weird world we live in. And yes, they are not the same "public servants"
they once were. I SHOULD have gotten a ticket, I did wrong, but I should
also be treated with some respect and dignity. When I shared my experienc
with a businessman in the same area he told me to just pay it, don't
complain or you will get harrassed every time you come here. The city near
here has one of the worst gang problems in the country, and most definitely
worst in the state...so they have to act like a swat team with a cellphone
violation?


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 1:27 pm
From: Michael


On Sep 25, 12:04 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:9c364026-6cc8-4361-b575-974fef3a4422@g18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 23, 11:23 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:a03bc018-7b67-436f-88cb-de9098bb62da@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 23, 12:06 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:49203fd7-e8e8-4275-acfc-f32d13e11585@q2g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 21, 9:27 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 21, 8:17 pm, "yoyodog" <connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:5NmdnWd406DqpwTRnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > > > > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > > > >news:00032c4e-2ea9-4726-ad71-fed230007c19@t3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >> On Sep 21, 6:42 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > > > >>> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >>>news:jn6i961jh59cl1t42003du2kp1e1ljiedr@4ax.com...> And this is
> > > > > >>>why
> > > > > >>>I
> > > > > >>> want him off the team. Brick & Gholston have been
> > > > > >>> > clean... now they're
> > > > > >>> > pulled into this crap. And then you have the anonymous
> > > > > >>> > players,
> > > > > >>> > getting
> > > > > >>> > pissed.
> > > > > >>> > This whole thing can lead to factions in an otherwise tight
> > > > > >>> > clubhouse.
> > > > > >>> > It aint all about Edwards & our depleted WR corps.
>
> > > > > >>> > Jets teammates disappointed -- but 'not surprised' -- by
> > > > > >>> > Braylon
> > > > > >>> > Edwards'
> > > > > >>> > DWI »
>
> > > > > >>> Nothing good ever happens after 5:00AM when you are still out
> > > > > >>> from
> > > > > >>> the
> > > > > >>> night
> > > > > >>> before. The story says that he registered a .16 and that it
> > > > > >>> pretty
> > > > > >>> far
> > > > > >>> drunk. He should not have been driving with that much alcohol in
> > > > > >>> him.
> > > > > >>> And he had some other players in there with him so the team
> > > > > >>> could
> > > > > >>> have
> > > > > >>> really been hurt in there had been an accident.
>
> > > > > >>> But it was his first offense of that nature so maybe the NFL
> > > > > >>> will
> > > > > >>> not do
> > > > > >>> anything.
>
> > > > > >> for a guy his size, how many drinks do you need in you to blow a
> > > > > >> .
> > > > > >> 16 ???
>
> > > > > > It sounded like it may have been a fourteen hour binge and drinks
> > > > > > wear
> > > > > > off
> > > > > > at about the rate of one per hour. But he may not have been
> > > > > > drinking
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > all during the fan event and went to power drinking after the
> > > > > > public
> > > > > > part
> > > > > > was over. So if you figure the nine hour time frame it would be
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > like drinking a twelve pack of twelve ounce beers or maybe up to
> > > > > > fifteen.
> > > > > > That would also be like about 10 3/4 ounce shots of Patrone.
>
> > > > > > Just for fun I look up a bac calculator for Edwards weight and it
> > > > > > said
> > > > > > nine standard cocktails over nine hours would be .157 bac so my
> > > > > > guesswork
> > > > > > was pretty close.
>
> > > > > > Anyhow, the Jets are one of the few big media darling teams
> > > > > > outside
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > New
> > > > > > Orleans so I predict that the NFL will tread pretty lightly on the
> > > > > > whole
> > > > > > personal conduct policy. They can be as arbitrary as they want
> > > > > > since
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > NFL players have the worst union in the history of unions. But in
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > case it can actually work in the player's favor. Arbitrary works
> > > > > > both
> > > > > > ways.
>
> > > > > > And there is always the chance of the charges being dropped
> > > > > > altogether
> > > > > > which would be excellent because the police did not have a reason
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > pull
> > > > > > him over.
>
> > > > > FYI this is why he was pulled over in the first
> > > > > place:www.ehow.com/about_5262688_new-state-window-tint-laws.html
>
> > > > > Totally absurb yet totally legit- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Not absurd at all. As a retired police officer I cant even tell you
> > > > how many times I went up to a vehicle I had stopped that had dark
> > > > tinted windows and I was wondering was this it? Is this guy hiding a
> > > > gun behind the window? Am I going to get shot and killed? There is no
> > > > reason to have that dark of a tint unless the person is hiding
> > > > something. After I would investigate the situation I would always
> > > > issue a summons for the tinted windows which in NYC was an easy win
> > > > summons because the burden of proof lies with the defendant. In other
> > > > words he has to prove that the percentage of tint is legal. I never
> > > > lost any summonses that i issued, a record that i am proud of.- Hide
> > > > quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > in ny/nj yes... in the soutwest you have a legit reason for window
> > > tint. i've been to az a number of times and i saw it all over the
> > > place. i dont know what the law is there about dark window tint, but
> > > if they have one there, no way do they enforce it.
>
> > > Michael, I've spent time in the Southwest too...my wife's sister lives
> > > in
> > > NM....and yes, it is sunny, and hot...but you do not need super dark
> > > tinted
> > > windows to survive there......and if you park the car you can put up a
> > > screen if it gets to you that much....I completely agree with protecting
> > > law
> > > enforcement people, and the level of tint we're talking about is all
> > > about
> > > hiding something.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > lm getting used to you contradicting me even when i'm right :-)
> > window tint in the sun belt is very common and very useful. you cant
> > keep a piece of cardboard up when you are driving. yit is too much
> > trouble to use a cover on every window. the sun is strong enough there
> > to destroy the material that dash boards, steering wheels and seats
> > are made of. it is strong enough to burn your skin if you have been
> > driving long enough with the sun on you. may be we should just make a
> > law to keep cars off the road all together to protect cops. if you
> > want to make a push to protect law enforcement in AZ and NM, forget
> > about window tint ask the fed to get on board and help them with the
> > boarder issues.
>
> > The average border patrol officer makes about $62,000 a year...the town I
> > live in has an average police salary of $108,000 a year....and most of the
> > people screaming about the border are also saying government should be
> > smaller. I flat out don't give a damn...go ahead and tint your windows as
> > dark as you want. I still think it's an issue for police officers
> > approaching a vehicle. And, I think border patrol officers are in a lot
> > more
> > danger than the guys in this suburban town. I think we should put a lot of
> > effort into the border...but how does smaller government do that?- Hide
> > quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> papa.... i am almost always pro cop.  i am not saying that it is not a
> danger to cops.  i agree with the law against dark window tint here in
> the norteast.  you have to ballance freedom vs control wisely.  i
> think it is wise to control it up here. im just saying that down in
> the sunbelt, the stuff has a real use.  we want our cops to be safe,
> but im not sure if it is fair or wise to make people down in those
> blistering sun states to give up dark window tint. and ditto with all
> you have said about the boarder officers.  we've all had our say in
> here about that... after going around and around in here and all of us
> making suggestions, most would like to see the military put to the
> task.
>
> You don't need the military, they are stretched way too think anyway and
> they are not trained to do that job.  The Border Patrol is very well
> trained, but they need the numbers and the equipment to do the job and on
> top of that we need agencies to stop the employers HERE who bring people
> across to work in their factories, warehouses and whatever.  Then...for
> those who come to do a lot of jobs that most citizens will not do we need to
> find a way to let them stay here legally. The rational solutions are not
> that difficult to come to...what is difficult is getting some rational
> people to address it.  And some have stated that the stopping a car with
> tinted windows is profiling...and I'll bet some of those folks love the
> Arizona law.  Consistency is hard to come by in our culture today.
> Democracy is a bitch when it works for the other guy.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

the military is stretched too thin, alright... and i also agre that
the boarder patrol is being asked to piss up a rope. they are set up
to fail. between the liberal vote and the desire for cheap labor, the
guys/groups that are really pulling the strings dont want the boarder
patrol to suceed no matter what lip service they pay. i want the
government to represent the people first off, and i want the military
charged to assist the boarder patrol. of course, the military needs to
first be unencumbered with current "adventures", but i dont see any
reason why they cant help. they are getting paid/funded to provide
national defense. that includes protection against unarmed invasion.
but i agree with what you are saying. everything depends on political
will.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 1:48 pm
From: MZ


On 9/25/2010 4:27 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Sep 25, 12:04 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:9c364026-6cc8-4361-b575-974fef3a4422@g18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 23, 11:23 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>>> news:a03bc018-7b67-436f-88cb-de9098bb62da@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 23, 12:06 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>>>> news:49203fd7-e8e8-4275-acfc-f32d13e11585@q2g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Sep 21, 9:27 pm, Ritchie<ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Sep 21, 8:17 pm, "yoyodog"<connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>> news:5NmdnWd406DqpwTRnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>>>>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:00032c4e-2ea9-4726-ad71-fed230007c19@t3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 6:42 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "buRford"<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>>>>> news:jn6i961jh59cl1t42003du2kp1e1ljiedr@4ax.com...> And this is
>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> want him off the team. Brick& Gholston have been
>>>>>>>>>> clean... now they're
>>>>>>>>>> pulled into this crap. And then you have the anonymous
>>>>>>>>>> players,
>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>> pissed.
>>>>>>>>>> This whole thing can lead to factions in an otherwise tight
>>>>>>>>>> clubhouse.
>>>>>>>>>> It aint all about Edwards& our depleted WR corps.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jets teammates disappointed -- but 'not surprised' -- by
>>>>>>>>>> Braylon
>>>>>>>>>> Edwards'
>>>>>>>>>> DWI »
>>
>>>>>>>>> Nothing good ever happens after 5:00AM when you are still out
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> night
>>>>>>>>> before. The story says that he registered a .16 and that it
>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>>> drunk. He should not have been driving with that much alcohol in
>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>> And he had some other players in there with him so the team
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> really been hurt in there had been an accident.
>>
>>>>>>>>> But it was his first offense of that nature so maybe the NFL
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> not do
>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>
>>>>>>>> for a guy his size, how many drinks do you need in you to blow a
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> 16 ???
>>
>>>>>>> It sounded like it may have been a fourteen hour binge and drinks
>>>>>>> wear
>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>> at about the rate of one per hour. But he may not have been
>>>>>>> drinking
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> all during the fan event and went to power drinking after the
>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>> was over. So if you figure the nine hour time frame it would be
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> like drinking a twelve pack of twelve ounce beers or maybe up to
>>>>>>> fifteen.
>>>>>>> That would also be like about 10 3/4 ounce shots of Patrone.
>>
>>>>>>> Just for fun I look up a bac calculator for Edwards weight and it
>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>> nine standard cocktails over nine hours would be .157 bac so my
>>>>>>> guesswork
>>>>>>> was pretty close.
>>
>>>>>>> Anyhow, the Jets are one of the few big media darling teams
>>>>>>> outside
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> New
>>>>>>> Orleans so I predict that the NFL will tread pretty lightly on the
>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>> personal conduct policy. They can be as arbitrary as they want
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> NFL players have the worst union in the history of unions. But in
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> case it can actually work in the player's favor. Arbitrary works
>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>> ways.
>>
>>>>>>> And there is always the chance of the charges being dropped
>>>>>>> altogether
>>>>>>> which would be excellent because the police did not have a reason
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> pull
>>>>>>> him over.
>>
>>>>>> FYI this is why he was pulled over in the first
>>>>>> place:www.ehow.com/about_5262688_new-state-window-tint-laws.html
>>
>>>>>> Totally absurb yet totally legit- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>> Not absurd at all. As a retired police officer I cant even tell you
>>>>> how many times I went up to a vehicle I had stopped that had dark
>>>>> tinted windows and I was wondering was this it? Is this guy hiding a
>>>>> gun behind the window? Am I going to get shot and killed? There is no
>>>>> reason to have that dark of a tint unless the person is hiding
>>>>> something. After I would investigate the situation I would always
>>>>> issue a summons for the tinted windows which in NYC was an easy win
>>>>> summons because the burden of proof lies with the defendant. In other
>>>>> words he has to prove that the percentage of tint is legal. I never
>>>>> lost any summonses that i issued, a record that i am proud of.- Hide
>>>>> quoted text -
>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>> in ny/nj yes... in the soutwest you have a legit reason for window
>>>> tint. i've been to az a number of times and i saw it all over the
>>>> place. i dont know what the law is there about dark window tint, but
>>>> if they have one there, no way do they enforce it.
>>
>>>> Michael, I've spent time in the Southwest too...my wife's sister lives
>>>> in
>>>> NM....and yes, it is sunny, and hot...but you do not need super dark
>>>> tinted
>>>> windows to survive there......and if you park the car you can put up a
>>>> screen if it gets to you that much....I completely agree with protecting
>>>> law
>>>> enforcement people, and the level of tint we're talking about is all
>>>> about
>>>> hiding something.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> lm getting used to you contradicting me even when i'm right :-)
>>> window tint in the sun belt is very common and very useful. you cant
>>> keep a piece of cardboard up when you are driving. yit is too much
>>> trouble to use a cover on every window. the sun is strong enough there
>>> to destroy the material that dash boards, steering wheels and seats
>>> are made of. it is strong enough to burn your skin if you have been
>>> driving long enough with the sun on you. may be we should just make a
>>> law to keep cars off the road all together to protect cops. if you
>>> want to make a push to protect law enforcement in AZ and NM, forget
>>> about window tint ask the fed to get on board and help them with the
>>> boarder issues.
>>
>>> The average border patrol officer makes about $62,000 a year...the town I
>>> live in has an average police salary of $108,000 a year....and most of the
>>> people screaming about the border are also saying government should be
>>> smaller. I flat out don't give a damn...go ahead and tint your windows as
>>> dark as you want. I still think it's an issue for police officers
>>> approaching a vehicle. And, I think border patrol officers are in a lot
>>> more
>>> danger than the guys in this suburban town. I think we should put a lot of
>>> effort into the border...but how does smaller government do that?- Hide
>>> quoted text -
>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> papa.... i am almost always pro cop. i am not saying that it is not a
>> danger to cops. i agree with the law against dark window tint here in
>> the norteast. you have to ballance freedom vs control wisely. i
>> think it is wise to control it up here. im just saying that down in
>> the sunbelt, the stuff has a real use. we want our cops to be safe,
>> but im not sure if it is fair or wise to make people down in those
>> blistering sun states to give up dark window tint. and ditto with all
>> you have said about the boarder officers. we've all had our say in
>> here about that... after going around and around in here and all of us
>> making suggestions, most would like to see the military put to the
>> task.
>>
>> You don't need the military, they are stretched way too think anyway and
>> they are not trained to do that job. The Border Patrol is very well
>> trained, but they need the numbers and the equipment to do the job and on
>> top of that we need agencies to stop the employers HERE who bring people
>> across to work in their factories, warehouses and whatever. Then...for
>> those who come to do a lot of jobs that most citizens will not do we need to
>> find a way to let them stay here legally. The rational solutions are not
>> that difficult to come to...what is difficult is getting some rational
>> people to address it. And some have stated that the stopping a car with
>> tinted windows is profiling...and I'll bet some of those folks love the
>> Arizona law. Consistency is hard to come by in our culture today.
>> Democracy is a bitch when it works for the other guy.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> the military is stretched too thin, alright... and i also agre that
> the boarder patrol is being asked to piss up a rope. they are set up
> to fail. between the liberal vote and the desire for cheap labor, the
> guys/groups that are really pulling the strings dont want the boarder
> patrol to suceed no matter what lip service they pay. i want the
> government to represent the people first off, and i want the military
> charged to assist the boarder patrol. of course, the military needs to
> first be unencumbered with current "adventures", but i dont see any
> reason why they cant help. they are getting paid/funded to provide
> national defense. that includes protection against unarmed invasion.
> but i agree with what you are saying. everything depends on political
> will.

The military is already assisting. This is where a lot of this new
money that Obama diverted to the task is going. It's just shitloads of
money for only a few hundred (!!!) military personnel. These guys don't
come cheap. I'm not sure, but they're probably getting deployment pay.
A guy I know averages six figures when he's deployed (he's never been
deployed for a whole year though).

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TOPIC: Miami Defense
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f6f851010f81aef4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 9:06 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:39f0433c-0be2-490b-8f6c-70a7db44d2f4@j2g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 22, 5:54 am, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> news:oi2j96tl7silvvrg6gtajb9btpjje5v5e6@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >>On Sep 21, 10:33 pm, BicketyBam <Blo...@joemama.net> wrote:
> >>> I've watched both of their games and I still have a hard time deciding
> >>> whether they have a top tier defense or not. I can not take anything
> >>> from
> >>> the Buffalo game. They are just putrid on offense. Against GB they
> >>> managed
> >>> 186 net yards of offense. 62 net passing yards. Awful. They did manage
> >>> 20
> >>> more yards than the 166 they put up against Miami. Props to them -
> >>> improvement! But I can not use them as a barometer to measure an NFL
> >>> defense.
>
> >>> So that leaves us with Minn. 10 points against and the TD drive
> >>> started
> >>> at
> >>> the 1 after a fumble. But the other stats do not say they are the
> >>> steel
> >>> curtain some people think they are. 364 net yards surrendered, 156
> >>> rushing
> >>> against. And they got a huge assist from Minn when they decided to run
> >>> it 4
> >>> straight times from in close. Minn has no receivers and Favre looks
> >>> every
> >>> like a QB closing in on 40 who missed training camp.
>
> >>> I don't think the Jets will be a good test for them either, but as
> >>> crazy
> >>> as
> >>> it sounds I think it will be the best offense they will have faced so
> >>> far.
> >>> I think we will know a lot more after they play Brady and the Pats.
> >>> Green
> >>> Bay will also be a good indicator.
>
> >>> I will also go on record as saying that I don't think the Jets defense
> >>> is
> >>> the next coming of the steel curtain. I think they are an above
> >>> average
> >>> defense (but not great) that tends to break at the most inopportune
> >>> times.
>
> >>> What are your thoughts on the Miami defense?
>
> >>i only saw highlights of their first two games... it appears that the
> >>best way to attack them is on the ends. I'd guess the jets will try
> >>to get LT around the corner. i don't think play action will work well
> >>because the style they seem to play there looks more controlled rather
> >>than attacking and over committed. the guys on the d-line are said to
> >>be stout and the lb's are good at gap control. just an odd guess on
> >>my part, but their defense has settled into that cautious gap control
> >>style partly because they go against their own offense in practice.
> >>the wild cat stuff creates additional gaps, so the defense gains in
> >>patience and discipline against that sort of running attack. the fact
> >>that they are weak on the edges is strictly a manpower issue. the way
> >>the secondary plays, they try to take away the deep stuff by means of
> >>a lot of safety help over the top rather than the way the jets do it
> >>with pressure and man. though, there has been a lot of recent talk
> >>that davis can play man on his side of the field. again.. i have not
> >>seen much of it for myself, so i cant say for sure.
>
> >>as far as the Miami offense... i could be wrong, but i think they way
> >>to play them is the opposite way the jets defense plays in general.
> >>I'd play gap control. much like the fish defense plays. i guess i
> >>must be crossed up about that, because rex did his best work against
> >>the wild cat with his "BTF" blitz this formation doctrine. it is goint
> >>to be interesting to see what miami does on offense and what the jets
> >>do on defense. IMHO, the coach that can keep ahead of the other one
> >>will get the win. My money is on Rex :-)
>
> >>.
>
> > I'm figuring the 'Fins are gonna come out throwing. The Jets are gonna
> > be
> > challenging
> > Henne to throw, and I figure Henning'll be happy to oblige, with Revis
> > out.
> > They've had a week, and the preseason, to study how Rex likes playin' it
> > without Revis.
> > The key to me, is if Rex has gameplanned this possibility, so he can
> > make
> > a quick
> > adjustment, if Henning's successful.
> > As for our O, I haven't a clue which Schott will show up. I'm
> > apprehensive, since when we
> > play a good D, the gameplan takes low scoring as a given (without ever
> > testing the
> > opposing D), and we do the *play not to lose* O... which to me, is a
> > heckuva a lot more of
> > a gamble, than playing aggressive O. Those close games can go either
> > way,
> > and all ya need
> > is one mistake, to blow the game. You may as well take your shots, at
> > the
> > very least, you
> > may get a few PI calls.
> > I'd like to see Keller out wide, with another TE playing, er, TE ;)
>
> If I were going to decide what to do against Rex's 46 and especially that
> bunch of guys standing up out of position look, I'd come out quick in
> wildcat and race horse the offense. That forces that kind of defense to
> get
> out of what they do best and into some vanilla scheme to make
> adjustments...that worries me a little....then they would start to throw.
> I
> just haven't seen enough of Miami's D to evaluate the situation really.

Minnesota dropped 5 passes & shoudl have scored 2 more TD's. The bad
Favre also turned up.

It will be curious to see how tis goes. Nolan should know Ryan & vica
versa.

_________________________________________________

I'm looking forward to a good game, and I need a little diversion around
now.

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TOPIC: OK, there actually is someone dumber than Braylon Edwards
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/db8a36bcbade487d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 9:14 am
From: "papa.carl44"

"Glenn Greenstein" <lexa695@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a92463c9-0620-41d1-bd97-0d023254104c@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1648641/20100924/lohan_lindsay.jhtml


So you think addiction is just a learning disability or being dumb?

Unlike Edwards, she admitted she failed the test, appeared in court and
stated she was willing to accept responsibility for her actions. I haven't
seen Braylon doing anything remotely similar. It is a shame that someone
like her is in the situation she is in, and it is mostly her fault, but in
this instance she took a huge step in the right direction. And that isn't
dumb.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 1:15 pm
From: Glenn Greenstein


On Sep 25, 12:14 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Glenn Greenstein" <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a92463c9-0620-41d1-bd97-0d023254104c@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1648641/20100924/lohan_lindsay.jhtml
>
> So you think addiction is just a learning disability or being dumb?
>
> Unlike Edwards, she admitted she failed the test, appeared in court and
> stated she was willing to accept responsibility for her actions.  I haven't
> seen Braylon doing anything remotely similar.  It is a shame that someone
> like her is in the situation she is in, and it is mostly her fault, but in
> this instance she took a huge step in the right direction.  And that isn't
> dumb.

Oh give me a break. Did the Coke and Amphetamines magically appear in
her hands or did she have to seek out some of her druggie friends to
get them. After spending time in jail and rehab,this person has
learned nothing and she didn't leave rehab early this time, she was
released.
Yes, addiction is a terrible thing and it is tough to beat but I'm
sorry, I have absolutely no sympathy for her at all in this instance.
I have a good friend who was addicted to opiates so badly he
practically went through his family's life savings to buy them. He was
spending nearly 500 a week on them. He went to rehab and in now on an
out patient program and has not had a relapse. With all of Lohan's
resources she shouldn't be back on drugs in a matter of a few weeks.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 4:00 pm
From: euphy


On 9/25/2010 3:15 PM, Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> On Sep 25, 12:14 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>> "Glenn Greenstein"<lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:a92463c9-0620-41d1-bd97-0d023254104c@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1648641/20100924/lohan_lindsay.jhtml
>>
>> So you think addiction is just a learning disability or being dumb?
>>
>> Unlike Edwards, she admitted she failed the test, appeared in court and
>> stated she was willing to accept responsibility for her actions. I haven't
>> seen Braylon doing anything remotely similar. It is a shame that someone
>> like her is in the situation she is in, and it is mostly her fault, but in
>> this instance she took a huge step in the right direction. And that isn't
>> dumb.
>
> Oh give me a break. Did the Coke and Amphetamines magically appear in
> her hands or did she have to seek out some of her druggie friends to
> get them. After spending time in jail and rehab,this person has
> learned nothing and she didn't leave rehab early this time, she was
> released.
> Yes, addiction is a terrible thing and it is tough to beat but I'm
> sorry, I have absolutely no sympathy for her at all in this instance.
> I have a good friend who was addicted to opiates so badly he
> practically went through his family's life savings to buy them. He was
> spending nearly 500 a week on them. He went to rehab and in now on an
> out patient program and has not had a relapse. With all of Lohan's
> resources she shouldn't be back on drugs in a matter of a few weeks.


So, how is SAR doing these days?

Ü

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TOPIC: Will Be At Game - Experiences at Miami?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/88d17a63e366c609?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 1:02 pm
From: JetsLife


Anyone ever been to a Jets/Dolphins game in Miami -- if so how cordial
or not are the fans? Just wondering what I'm in store for wearing my
Jets jersey.

Obviously a lot of Jets fans are always at Miami games ...


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 2:52 pm
From: rt


On Sep 25, 1:02 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> Anyone ever been to a Jets/Dolphins game in Miami -- if so how cordial
> or not are the fans? Just wondering what I'm in store for wearing my
> Jets jersey.
>
> Obviously a lot of Jets fans are always at Miami games ...

I've worn my #13 twice to Miami/Jets games at old Giants Stadium, and
pretty much the same rules apply there as in Miami. Act respectful,
watch the game, no one messes with anyone.

But be drunk, obnoxious, and personal, and guaranteed you'll find
another drunk obnoxious fan who thinks its a great idea to get in a
fight. There is no shortage of assholes in Miami as in any other
east coast city.

Watch the game, cheer for your Jets, don't be a dick and you should
have no problems. And if you do happen to run into a real idiot,
there's a cell number to call for security to remove pre-violent
drunkards. Should Miami happen to trounce your beloved green, make
sure you have your binoculars because our cheerleaders are the shit,
and studying their, umm, choreography, will ease the sting.

Enjoy the game!

rt


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TOPIC: the "experts" are way off or i am...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/9898f2be40b8fae9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 3:46 pm
From: Michael


i'm wondering why the fish are such a heavy fav with all the
"experts" ??? i dont get it. the vikes handed them the game and what
sort of contest was the their first game ??? if henne has to throw
more than 25 times, they dont win. the jets d is good at stopping the
run. along with devito, pouha, scott and harris, blt and even jayson
taylor have been great against the run. the jets should be able to
take away the running game. unless the jets turn it over on offense,
i cant see them losing this game. im betting the jets will show them
up.

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TOPIC: Experts Pick Fish
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1f019dbfeb76dd9b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 3:55 pm
From: euphy


On 9/23/2010 6:56 PM, graybeard wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:29:50 -0500 euphy<eüphemism@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/23/2010 6:14 PM, graybeard wrote:
>>>
>>> To be fair, Harlan, Ginn wasn't a factor in the other game, when our
>>> offense came from behind twice in the fourth quarter to take leads, only
>>> to have Miami ram it 68 yards down the collective throat of our vaunted
>>> defense for the last 5 minutes of the game and score the winning TD with
>>> 10 seconds left.
>>
>>
>> He wasn't?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyPtJF-IgPc
>>
>> Ü
>
> The Jets came back to re-take the lead after that TD, and Ginn did not
> have a single catch on the Dolphin's winning drive, so no, he wasn't a
> factor in the loss.

Okay... so the Dolphins would have won without that Ted Ginn score? I
see. Math wasn't your best subject, I guess? Maybe you just need to look
up the definition of the word "factor."

Ü


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 25 2010 3:56 pm
From: euphy


On 9/23/2010 6:59 PM, rt wrote:
> On Sep 23, 4:29 pm, euphy<eüphem...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> On 9/23/2010 6:14 PM, graybeard wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:16:01 -0400 Harlan Lachman<har...@eeivt.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> In article<4c9bb336$0$1069$c3e8da3$aae71...@news.astraweb.com>,
>>>> Deadmeat<no...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On 9/23/2010 2:41 PM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>>>> In article<4c9b7417$0$21147$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>,
>>>>>> Deadmeat<no...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On 9/23/2010 11:00 AM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/09/22/playbook-picks-sorry-jets-dolphins-ar...
>>>>>>>> o-tough/?module=HP_spotlight
>>
>>>>>>>> Good news. I like it when we are underdogs to less talented teams.
>>
>>>>>>>> I hope ESPN goes the same way as NFL.com
>>
>>>>>>>> harlan
>>
>>>>>>> Remember your team got beat by this "less talented" team twice last
>>>>>>> year. I believe you were favored in both games, too.
>>
>>>>>> Yup. And the mistakes Woodhead and Rex made stick in my craw. But when a
>>>>>> team turns Ted Ginn into a hero, I blame the team rather than think the
>>>>>> other team was better.
>>
>>>>>> harlan
>>
>>>>> Ok, to make sure I'm getting this correctly, any good plays made by the
>>>>> other team are not really good plays, they are strictly mistakes made by
>>>>> the jets? Any good plays by the jets doesn't have any to due with the
>>>>> other teams mistakes, it simply means the jets are better. Gotcha.
>>
>>>> Meat, let me rephrase so it is clearer. If a team (e.g., Miami) is
>>>> playing poorly enough to lose and only wins because the other team
>>>> (e.g., Jets) plays a Woody in the wrong position on specials and turns a
>>>> worthless POS (e.g., Ted Worthless Ginn) into a record book hero, the
>>>> team that got rid of that player is still piss poor and so is the team
>>>> they beat if they repeat that game giving away play. It seems to an old
>>>> fart like me that it is a lot easier to correct two plays (especially
>>>> when both culprits are off their respective teams) than to correct a
>>>> game of them.
>>
>>>> harlan
>>
>>> To be fair, Harlan, Ginn wasn't a factor in the other game, when our
>>> offense came from behind twice in the fourth quarter to take leads, only
>>> to have Miami ram it 68 yards down the collective throat of our vaunted
>>> defense for the last 5 minutes of the game and score the winning TD with
>>> 10 seconds left.
>>
>> He wasn't?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyPtJF-IgPc
>>
>> Ü
>
> You knew what he meant, eÜph!! ;-)
>
> Frankly, I'd almost trade 2 losses/year to the Jets just for the
> riddance of Ginn. Well, that's maybe a little cheap. Ginn and Joey
> Porter. There, that sounds fair...
>
> rt
>


No, I don't guess I did.

Ü

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