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On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:10 PM, amita misra <amitamisraster@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,
Kindly send the following Research articles
1) Phytochemistry
Volume 22, Issue 5, 1983, Pages 1113-1116

doi:10.1016/0031-9422(83)80202-7


Cinnamate 4-hydroxylase and hydroxycinnamate: CoA ligase in wheat leaves infected withBotrytis cinerea

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On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:35 AM, shubhra rastogi <shubhrster@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,
Plz help me in finding the following full text article:
 
Int. J Plant Sci. 167(3):447–454. 2006.

© 2006 by The University of Chicago. All rights reserved.

1058-5893/2006/16703-0005$15.00

DOI: 10.1086/500987

Developmental Regulation of Phenylpropanoid Biosynthesis in Leaves and Glandular Trichomes of Basil (Ocimum basilicum L.)

Cícero Deschamps, David Gang, Natalia Dudareva, and James E. Simon

 



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In Vitro Cellular and Developmental Biology - Plant 42(4):354-358. 2006
doi: 10.1079/IVP2006783

ADVENTITIOUS SHOOT REGENERATION OF SCOTCH SPEARMINT (MENTHA×GRACILIS SOLE)

CHARLESON R. POOVAIAH, STEPHEN C. WELLER, MATTHEW A. JENKS*

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rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 4 topics - digest

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* speaking of positives - 13 messages, 9 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b67fd716705e7c97?hl=en
* More negatives than positives - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/173b90a6266d5dd2?hl=en
* Contador positive - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/513bdbcfe9b48258?hl=en
* Riis screwed the pooch - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9c9bccf4259cd4d8?hl=en

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TOPIC: speaking of positives
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b67fd716705e7c97?hl=en
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== 1 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 5:40 pm
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"


> Oh, come on, there's a whole gallery of riders who
> have virtually lost their TdF titles.  Delgado, Roche,
> Indurain, Ullrich, Pantani, Pharmstrong, Pereiro,
> Sastre-doesnt-count, now Contador, you have to go
> all the way back to 1990 to find a TdF winner.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/0d433d2710c3d6...
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Greg Lemond

Dear Greg,

Betsy overheard you telling the doctor what was REALLY in those "iron
shots".

Sincerely,
Frankie


== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 6:04 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Fred" <fred.garvin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:356d55a9-5e43-46a8-8cdf-50ef6bd3629b@28g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 29, 6:13 pm, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
> Fred wrote:
> > "If Contador is disqualified from his third Tour de France victory, he
> > would become only the second rider in history to lose the title due to
> > a positive test. The other was the American Floyd Landis, who failed a
> > test for testosterone four years ago."
>
> > Read more:
> >http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5836/Contador-positive-for-clenbuto...
>
> > I think that greater than the shame of having a TdF title stripped for
> > doping would be knowing that you'd go down in history along w/ Floyd
> > as being the only two guys who've lost a title. Well, the only two so
> > far. Would you want your name permanently associated w/ Floyd? Big
> > question, will he 'fess up soon, or pull a Floyd on us and deny, deny,
> > deny?
>
> > Fred
>
> It's a body builder's diet drug to the best of my knowledge. Could be
> useful in getting lean for the race, but I don't think it would do much
> taken _during_ the race as body composition matters are settled by then.
>
> NB: I am not a doctor, nor an expert on this subject, but I've been a
> competitive powerlifter (and even won awards in my class, which is old,
> skinny guy).
>
> -S-

========
That's one use for it, but its a bronchodilator by design.
========

Wow. That's quite an endorsement for clenbuterol! At last, something the
pros use that I could legitimiately get a TUE for! (Not that I'd ever need a
TUE; even if I did get back into racing, the chances approach zero that I'd
ever be tested for anything other than sanity).

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 6:09 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


Who WOULDN'T want this stuff? Wow! Is this the holy grail or what?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clenbuterol
Effects and Dosage
Clenbuterol is a non-steroidal β2 adrenergic agonist[1] with some structural
and pharmacological similarities to epinephrine and salbutamol, but its
effects are more potent and longer-lasting as a stimulant and thermogenic
drug. It causes an increase in aerobic capacity, central nervous system
stimulation, and an increase in blood pressure and oxygen transportation. It
increases the rate at which fats are metabolized, simultaneously increasing
the body's BMR. It is commonly used for smooth muscle relaxant properties.
This means that it is a bronchodilator and tocolytic. It is usually used in
dosages anywhere from 20-60 micrograms a day when prescribed. A dose of
about 120 μg should never be exceeded in a day[citation needed]. It is also
prescribed for treatment of horses; however, equestrian usage is usually the
liquid form of clenbuterol. Clenbuterol is also a sympathomimetic in the
peripheral nervous system.

So let's see... for me, I can lose weight (YES!), breathe better (YES!) and
have better oxygen transportation (YES!).

Only downside I see is the blood pressure, which could be an issue for me.
Wow, I may finally have a reason to see a doctor regarding my asthma. Doc, I
want the good stuff!

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 6:18 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Fred" <fred.garvin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eaa97e3e-1674-4b08-a8eb-c80bdc875311@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> Clenbuterol? Contaminated food? c'mon... really?
>
> Fred

Perhaps plausible after all- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19680955

On the other hand, Fuyu Li, the RS rider, was popped for clenbuterol earlier
this year and accepted a two-year suspension without any allegations about
"food contamination."

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 6:24 pm
From: Plano Dude


On Sep 29, 8:18 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "Fred" <fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:eaa97e3e-1674-4b08-a8eb-c80bdc875311@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Clenbuterol?  Contaminated food?  c'mon... really?
>
> > Fred
>
> Perhaps plausible after all-http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19680955
>
> On the other hand, Fuyu Li, the RS rider, was popped for clenbuterol earlier
> this year and accepted a two-year suspension without any allegations about
> "food contamination."
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

Yeah, I greatly disappointed. Do I believe the food story? Not at all.
I don't know the testing characteristics (how long it stays in the
system, etc) but A) why didn't it show up on subsequent days he was
tested B) if it was food, why didn't his teammates show positive too
(presuming they were tested as well) C) I would be surprised if Astana
or any other team did not have their own cooks for the event, so the
likelihood of contamination is basically nothing (unless one of the
cooks' name is Schleck) D) I don't think Clenbuterol is a very
sophisticated drug (i.e. it's not new or hard to get - I think you can
buy it at any nutrition store, it's probably pretty obvious to detect,
it's been on the banned list since the mid 90's) so it's beyond me why
he would use it unless it came from some dumbass support staff from
Astana (or even Contador's brother) who was panicking because Contador
only had an 8 second lead on Schleck at the time and dumped it in
Contador's food without his knowledge.


== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 6:37 pm
From: Keith


On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Plano Dude
<tx.wasteland@gmail.com> wrote:

>Yeah, I greatly disappointed. Do I believe the food story? Not at all.
>I don't know the testing characteristics (how long it stays in the
>system, etc) but A) why didn't it show up on subsequent days he was
>tested B) if it was food, why didn't his teammates show positive too
>(presuming they were tested as well) C) I would be surprised if Astana
>or any other team did not have their own cooks for the event, so the
>likelihood of contamination is basically nothing (unless one of the
>cooks' name is Schleck) D)

Well it"s always the same story, they take stuff to be right at the
limit, like Floyd did with testosterone in 2006 and then for some
unplanned reason they pass that limit and they get popped.

Some are saying that it's not an effective drug, maybe, the same was
saif for testosterone, but when the difference between riders is
zilch, then every little bit counts.

It's ironic that Operation Puerto is about to come to an end, with
"A.C." remaining a big question mark, and then here comes that
positive.


== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 6:59 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Sep 29, 7:18 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "Fred" <fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:eaa97e3e-1674-4b08-a8eb-c80bdc875311@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Clenbuterol?  Contaminated food?  c'mon... really?
>
> Perhaps plausible after all-http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19680955

So simple! AC's water bottles were filled at Portuguese cattle
farms!

Seriously though, where does AC stand?
Forget about whether you think he (1) has a plausible story, or (2) is
a sleazebag doper.
Assuming the positive is (or has been) confirmed - how does this play
out? It seems to me he's screwed either way. It's the "Moniger
syndrome" at the international level.

DR


== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 7:04 pm
From: Jim Feeley

On 9/29/10 6:24 PM, in article
b36eb2e4-672d-4af8-84b1-3545d56ce248@g21g2000prn.googlegroups.com, "Plano
Dude" <tx.wasteland@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 29, 8:18 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
> wrote:
>> "Fred" <fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:eaa97e3e-1674-4b08-a8eb-c80bdc875311@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Clenbuterol?  Contaminated food?  c'mon... really?
>>
>>> Fred
>>
>> Perhaps plausible after all-http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19680955
>>
>> On the other hand, Fuyu Li, the RS rider, was popped for clenbuterol earlier
>> this year and accepted a two-year suspension without any allegations about
>> "food contamination."
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
> Yeah, I greatly disappointed. Do I believe the food story? Not at all.
> I don't know the testing characteristics (how long it stays in the
> system, etc) but A) why didn't it show up on subsequent days he was
> tested B) if it was food, why didn't his teammates show positive too
> (presuming they were tested as well) C) I would be surprised if Astana
> or any other team did not have their own cooks for the event, so the
> likelihood of contamination is basically nothing (unless one of the
> cooks' name is Schleck) D) I don't think Clenbuterol is a very
> sophisticated drug (i.e. it's not new or hard to get - I think you can
> buy it at any nutrition store, it's probably pretty obvious to detect,
> it's been on the banned list since the mid 90's) so it's beyond me why
> he would use it unless it came from some dumbass support staff from
> Astana (or even Contador's brother) who was panicking because Contador
> only had an 8 second lead on Schleck at the time and dumped it in
> Contador's food without his knowledge.

I looked into Clenbuterol a while ago. But this is from memory, so I may
have some of this wrong. I think it's mostly right. To your comments and
questions.

A) I think Clenbuterol can clear out of an athlete's system pretty quickly,
especially if it was only taken/accidentally consumed once.

B) Contador was tested every day he was in the yellow jersey. His teammates
may not have been tested on the day he turned in the poz sample.

C) Clenbuterol is (or at least was) approved by a few countries for use in
food animals. A dozen or so years ago, the US Food and Drug Agency (I think
it was) put out some notice about Clenbuterol contamination. So
maaayyyybeee there's a slight chance there's something to AC's
contamination story.

D) I'm pretty sure in most countries were Clenbuterol is approved for human
use it's only available with a prescription. Ya, that doesn't mean much, but
it's not an over-the-counter drug.

Why would someone in Contador's position take Clenbuterol? He doesn't have a
TUE for asthma, does he? Weren't people saying the tour wasn't as hard this
year? So maybe he needed to lose weight. Maybe he was jealous of all the
attention LA is getting with his doping case.


I'd like to know the names of the "experts" mentioned in his press release.
Are they medical doctors, scientists, or just PR flacks who know their way
around Google?

And just how much Clenbuterol was found in AC's sample?


Jim

== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 7:18 pm
From: raamman


so andy won and riis let the big fish go and signed up the little
stinking fish ? haw haw

== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 7:26 pm
From: Ben Trovato


On Sep 29, 4:39 pm, Fred <fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Clenbuterol?  Contaminated food?  c'mon... really?
>
> Fred

Another ex-teammate bites the dust...


== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 7:27 pm
From: --D-y


On Sep 29, 6:52 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 5:39 pm, Fred <fred.gar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Clenbuterol?  Contaminated food?  c'mon... really?
>
> Hey Bjarne- what's your take on this?

Bjarne is 60% positive, as usual.
--D-y


== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 8:41 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Sep 29, 7:59 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:

> Seriously though, where does AC stand?
> Forget about whether you think he (1) has a plausible story, or (2) is
> a sleazebag doper.
> Assuming the positive is (or has been)  confirmed - how does this play
> out?  It seems to me he's screwed either way. It's the "Moniger
> syndrome" at the international level.

http://bit.ly/bey8f9

DR


== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 9:07 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Sep 29, 8:18 pm, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> so andy won

That's how it appears. I don't see much of an out for AC.
Earlier cases (Justin Gatlin and Scott Moniger to name two ) suggest
than innocence of intent is no defense.

DR

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 6:41 pm
From: Plano Dude


On Sep 29, 1:37 pm, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
> So what if the Worlds races aren't the badge of honor that a Grand
> Tour jersey bestows on its winner.  The rainbow jersey is still an
> achievement because it's a title and an honor that riders will fight
> like hell to win.  Not just that, but it's often a once-a-year
> opportunity to watch the best of the nations compete for a win.  Plus,
> the Worlds always displays the drama and treachery that makes
> cycling's "All-Star" teams fun to watch.
>
> If you say that the Worlds sucks because of trade team alliances,
> don't forget that in the Grand Tours the alliances of the
> nationalities often foil the plans of the GC contenders.  Don't
> believe me?  Just ask Robert Millar about the 1985 Vuelta and the 1987
> Giro.  We've also seen memorable meltdowns within teams at the
> Worlds.  Remember Maertens vs. Merckx, Lemond vs. Boyer and the
> innumerable failures of the Italians before Ballerini started
> selecting teams to include riders who were willing to work for the
> designated leader(s).
>
> If you don't like cut throat bullshit, infighting and national pride,
> just watch MLB, NFL and NBA games.  Leave the fun, excitement and
> frustration to the cycling fans.
>
> Besides, would it be as much fun on group rides if you never saw some
> fat fred wearing a rainbow jersey every now and then?
>
> DISCLAIMER: I own a 2002 Zolder LS jersey that I've been shamed out of
> wearing...bought it because it briefly revived Cipollini's career to
> its former heights (and also because I didn't know at the time that I
> would look like a jackass on a fast paced group ride as I got dropped
> from the front group and eventually rolled to the back before arriving
> at the rest stop as everybody else was clipping in to continue onward
> after a 10-15 minute break).

http://www.uci.ch/templates/BUILTIN-NOFRAMES/Template3/layout.asp?MenuId=MjExMw&LangId=1

23 out of the top 50 riders on the latest UCI world ranking are not
doing the road race.

And all those epic moments and memorable meltdowns you cited? All more
than 20 years ago and also while Worlds was still being held in August.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 8:40 pm
From: Frederick the Great


In article
<dcc8d422-f461-43a5-b47e-76f2cb5f5254@a15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:

> nice to see some honesty in here.

Yeah. Everybody's been lying in this here chatroom.

--
Old Fritz


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 8:47 pm
From: LawBoy01


On Sep 29, 8:41 pm, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 1:37 pm, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > So what if the Worlds races aren't the badge of honor that a Grand
> > Tour jersey bestows on its winner.  The rainbow jersey is still an
> > achievement because it's a title and an honor that riders will fight
> > like hell to win.  Not just that, but it's often a once-a-year
> > opportunity to watch the best of the nations compete for a win.  Plus,
> > the Worlds always displays the drama and treachery that makes
> > cycling's "All-Star" teams fun to watch.
>
> > If you say that the Worlds sucks because of trade team alliances,
> > don't forget that in the Grand Tours the alliances of the
> > nationalities often foil the plans of the GC contenders.  Don't
> > believe me?  Just ask Robert Millar about the 1985 Vuelta and the 1987
> > Giro.  We've also seen memorable meltdowns within teams at the
> > Worlds.  Remember Maertens vs. Merckx, Lemond vs. Boyer and the
> > innumerable failures of the Italians before Ballerini started
> > selecting teams to include riders who were willing to work for the
> > designated leader(s).
>
> > If you don't like cut throat bullshit, infighting and national pride,
> > just watch MLB, NFL and NBA games.  Leave the fun, excitement and
> > frustration to the cycling fans.
>
> > Besides, would it be as much fun on group rides if you never saw some
> > fat fred wearing a rainbow jersey every now and then?
>
> > DISCLAIMER: I own a 2002 Zolder LS jersey that I've been shamed out of
> > wearing...bought it because it briefly revived Cipollini's career to
> > its former heights (and also because I didn't know at the time that I
> > would look like a jackass on a fast paced group ride as I got dropped
> > from the front group and eventually rolled to the back before arriving
> > at the rest stop as everybody else was clipping in to continue onward
> > after a 10-15 minute break).
>
> http://www.uci.ch/templates/BUILTIN-NOFRAMES/Template3/layout.asp?Men...
>
> 23 out of the top 50 riders on the latest UCI world ranking are not
> doing the road race.
>
> And all those epic moments and memorable meltdowns you cited? All more
> than 20 years ago and also while Worlds was still being held in August.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted

So pretend the Worlds are like straight porn, and don't watch it.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 8:56 pm
From: LawBoy01


On Sep 29, 8:41 pm, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 1:37 pm, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > So what if the Worlds races aren't the badge of honor that a Grand
> > Tour jersey bestows on its winner.  The rainbow jersey is still an
> > achievement because it's a title and an honor that riders will fight
> > like hell to win.  Not just that, but it's often a once-a-year
> > opportunity to watch the best of the nations compete for a win.  Plus,
> > the Worlds always displays the drama and treachery that makes
> > cycling's "All-Star" teams fun to watch.
>
> > If you say that the Worlds sucks because of trade team alliances,
> > don't forget that in the Grand Tours the alliances of the
> > nationalities often foil the plans of the GC contenders.  Don't
> > believe me?  Just ask Robert Millar about the 1985 Vuelta and the 1987
> > Giro.  We've also seen memorable meltdowns within teams at the
> > Worlds.  Remember Maertens vs. Merckx, Lemond vs. Boyer and the
> > innumerable failures of the Italians before Ballerini started
> > selecting teams to include riders who were willing to work for the
> > designated leader(s).
>
> > If you don't like cut throat bullshit, infighting and national pride,
> > just watch MLB, NFL and NBA games.  Leave the fun, excitement and
> > frustration to the cycling fans.
>
> > Besides, would it be as much fun on group rides if you never saw some
> > fat fred wearing a rainbow jersey every now and then?
>
> > DISCLAIMER: I own a 2002 Zolder LS jersey that I've been shamed out of
> > wearing...bought it because it briefly revived Cipollini's career to
> > its former heights (and also because I didn't know at the time that I
> > would look like a jackass on a fast paced group ride as I got dropped
> > from the front group and eventually rolled to the back before arriving
> > at the rest stop as everybody else was clipping in to continue onward
> > after a 10-15 minute break).
>
> http://www.uci.ch/templates/BUILTIN-NOFRAMES/Template3/layout.asp?Men...
>
> 23 out of the top 50 riders on the latest UCI world ranking are not
> doing the road race.
>
> And all those epic moments and memorable meltdowns you cited? All more
> than 20 years ago and also while Worlds was still being held in August.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On a serious note, your argument is on both sides of the fence, and
both against the worlds. Don't get me wrong, you have a point. I
like the Prestige Pernod cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Super_Prestige_Pernod_International) when the pros were well rounded.
But things change. P.S. Friction shifters suck.

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 7:16 pm
From: Jason Spaceman


A spokesman for three-time Tour de France winner Alberto Contador says the
cyclist tested positive for a banned steroid during this year's race.

Contador's publicist released a statement Wednesday saying the substance,
identified as clenbuterol, was found in a test taken on July 21. Contador has
blamed food contamination as the only possible explanation for the positive
test.

Contador will hold a news conference on Thursday in Pinto, Spain.

The statement claimed Contador was first made aware of the result on Aug. 24.


Read it at http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/more-sports/tour-de-france-
winner-tests-positive/article1733784/
or http://5z8.info/foreign-
brides_f5e2o_guns


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 8:21 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Sep 29, 7:16 pm, Jason Spaceman <notrea...@jspaceman.homelinux.org>
wrote:
> A spokesman for three-time Tour de France winner Alberto Contador says the
> cyclist tested positive for a banned steroid during this year's race.
>
> Contador's publicist released a statement Wednesday saying the substance,
> identified as clenbuterol, was found in a test taken on July 21. Contador has
> blamed food contamination as the only possible explanation for the positive
> test.

Gee, we've never heard this before.

Brad Anders


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 8:30 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Sep 29, 7:16 pm, Jason Spaceman <notrea...@jspaceman.homelinux.org>
wrote:
>
> The statement claimed Contador was first made aware of the result on Aug. 24.

This is why pro cycling is finished as a sport. No result is ever
final. Look at Lance, he's probably going to lose TdF victories from a
decade ago. Landis stands on the victory podium, only to be stripped
of the title in the months to come. Now Contador, winner in July,
loser in August. Given this uncertainty, why would anyone invest any
kind of fan devotion to the sport? It's a joke.

Brad Anders


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 8:35 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

"Brad Anders" <pbanders@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0afe207e-dd64-4ef6-91e1-bd842ef207a1@u31g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 29, 7:16 pm, Jason Spaceman <notrea...@jspaceman.homelinux.org>
wrote:
>
> The statement claimed Contador was first made aware of the result on Aug.
> 24.

:: This is why pro cycling is finished as a sport. No result is ever
:: final. Look at Lance, he's probably going to lose TdF victories from a
:: decade ago. Landis stands on the victory podium, only to be stripped
:: of the title in the months to come. Now Contador, winner in July,
:: loser in August. Given this uncertainty, why would anyone invest any
:: kind of fan devotion to the sport? It's a joke.


Dumbass -

You won't see that happen in the NFL.

The dumbasses in charge need to treat cycling for what it is: it's a game.
It'e entertainment. They're treating it like a crime scene.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 8:46 pm
From: Ben Trovato


On Sep 29, 8:35 pm, "Kurgan Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0afe207e-dd64-4ef6-91e1-bd842ef207a1@u31g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 29, 7:16 pm, Jason Spaceman <notrea...@jspaceman.homelinux.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The statement claimed Contador was first made aware of the result on Aug.
> > 24.
>
> :: This is why pro cycling is finished as a sport. No result is ever
> :: final. Look at Lance, he's probably going to lose TdF victories from a
> :: decade ago. Landis stands on the victory podium, only to be stripped
> :: of the title in the months to come. Now Contador, winner in July,
> :: loser in August. Given this uncertainty, why would anyone invest any
> :: kind of fan devotion to the sport? It's a joke.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> You won't see that happen in the NFL.
>
> The dumbasses in charge need to treat cycling for what it is: it's a game.
> It'e entertainment. They're treating it like a crime scene.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

The dumbasses in charge at the UCI would love nothing better than to
make these doping affairs all go away. Unfortunately, they don't
control the various state actors who see a bunch of low-hanging fruit
and easy headlines. It's not as if cyclists were as important as
footballers, who have to consort with minor prostitutes to get into
trouble with the law.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 9:28 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"Brad Anders" <pbanders@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0afe207e-dd64-4ef6-91e1-bd842ef207a1@u31g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 29, 7:16 pm, Jason Spaceman <notrea...@jspaceman.homelinux.org>
wrote:
>
> The statement claimed Contador was first made aware of the result on
> Aug. 24.
=======
This is why pro cycling is finished as a sport. No result is ever
final. Look at Lance, he's probably going to lose TdF victories from a
decade ago. Landis stands on the victory podium, only to be stripped
of the title in the months to come. Now Contador, winner in July,
loser in August. Given this uncertainty, why would anyone invest any
kind of fan devotion to the sport? It's a joke.

Brad Anders
=======

No, it's (fan devotion to cycling) not a joke. The 'Tour isn't like
baseball, with well-defined statistics that people use to compare one
era to another. Few care about average speeds, or how long it took to
climb Ventoux one year vs another (except those focused entirely on
doping). There's no ERA equivalent, no passing completion percentage, no
goals blocked, no free throw percentages. Instead we enjoy the
spectacle, the strategy, the man-against-himself aspect that rarely
comes out in other sports. The 'Tour stands on its own, with or without
doping.

Would it be better if there were no doping controversies? Certainly. But
people are naive to believe it doesn't go on in other sports. My guess
is that other sports federations are well aware of what goes on behind
closed doors, and enjoy the fact that cycling gets all the attention.

Are "sports" finished, in general, due to doping? I doubt "sports" have
ever had a dope-free era, and despite scandals elsewhere, I don't see
their traditional fan base moving off to something else. And cycling in
particular? The only reason cycling has more vulnerabilitly to scandal
than some other sports is the degree to which it is dependent upon
sponsorship (100%). So to some extent, what goes on reflects upon the
people paying the bills. But even there, the scandals of cycling almost
serve as distractions to the scandals of the business world these days.

Now, what about that kid who grows up idolizing an athlete, shaping his
or her life to follow in their footsteps? Shattered dreams, how can you
put a price on shattered & crushed dreams???!!! Well yeah, there are so
many kids who dream of growing up to be professional cyclists aren't
there? You can try and make a possible exception for Lance, who has
cancer-stricken folk who look up to him, but even there I'm not so sure
they're unable to separate what Lance has done for cancer vs his efforts
as a cyclist.

"You would have to be an imbecile or a crook to imagine that a
professional cyclist who races for 235 days a year can hold the pace
without stimulants" Jaques Anquetil made that remark eons ago, and it
didn't erode cycling's popularity one bit. It's my opinion that the
relative ethics of cycling vs the world have narrowed significantly
since then. What is sad is that we play this game of pretending
otherwise, with cyclists obliged to deny, deny, deny instead of even
tacitly coming to terms with the reality of competitive sports.

I would much rather that cycling was clean, but I can settle for rules
that limit the extent of doping that can be gotten away with. I
recognize the absurdity of rationalizing doping as "legal" as long as
you don't go over the limit. It's not how I live my life, and it's not
how I want my kids to live theirs. But realistically, it's how the world
works.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 8:28 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"


put all his chips on the Pistolero, then alienated all his current guys
before the Pistolero gets the positive.

Moral of the story: don't needlessly alienate anyone. Who's gonna get the
results for Riis now?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 8:50 pm
From: LawBoy01


On Sep 29, 10:28 pm, "Kurgan Gringioni" <soulinthemach...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> put all his chips on the Pistolero, then alienated all his current guys
> before the Pistolero gets the positive.
>
> Moral of the story: don't needlessly alienate anyone. Who's gonna get the
> results for Riis now?

Can you imagine the Schlecks making up a diss rap fro Riis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnjHXm7sgXY


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[socialactionfoundationforequity:6944 Tips for getting a Speedy Trial

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Sunday, September 26, 2010
Tips for getting a Speedy Trial, RCN, Look Out Notice
You can file a writ in High court for Speedy trial(writ of mandamus:
on which the High Court can instruct the lower court to finish the
case trials within 2 months or some such specific time period), citing
the instances of delay, caused by complainant(witness), by other
reasons(submit certified copies of your court's Roznama for making
these facts evident). Also see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saveindianfamily/message/88665
and http://ipc498a.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/right-to-speedy-trial-is-a-fundamental-right-sc

Actually you can ask for quashing of the case itself(instead of Writ
of Mandumus) in the written prayer,though you lawyer can ask the judge
for Speedy trial verbally, if quash is not viable in your case.

If the complainant witness(Wife) persistantly absents herself, give
written applications each time she remains absent asking the court to
insist the complainant to be present for the next hearing(the court
will tell the advocate and get his verbal undertaking, and record the
same in roznama), after two applications like this in two different
dates, put an application for issuing of bailable warrant since she
has not obeyed the court's instructions for which her advocate had
given a verbal undertaking/assurance, in next hearing if the
complainant is still absent , put an application for non bailable
warrant.

The next procedure before you can apply for a quash on the grounds of
non-appearance by complainant would be to issue a public notice by way
of news paper advertisement(this is not mandatory, but this step will
stengthen your quash case)

Finally apply for quash if she still doesnt turn up. All the
proceedings which happens during the day of court hearing will be
recorded in the Roznama, so get all concerned certified copies of
roznama and use it in your Quash or Writ of Mandumus in the Highcourt.
__________If the Complainant-Witness(Wife/ex-wife) is an
NRI____________

In parallel to this, after she doesnt turn up after Non bailable
warrants too, push the police to issue 'Look Out' Notice for ex-
wife(which will ensure her arrest the moment she passes through the
immigration terminals of an Indian Airport), then start process for
getting Red Alert notice(RCN) to be issued by interpol, with this RCN
you can approach UK court and get her side weak too. For RCN process u
have to get in touch with SIF-US guys, especially Bala Golds who
recently had wrote about an RCN related issue( this was with respect
to saving one self from RCN, so this is the flip side of RCN
strategy!) in the group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saveindianfamily/message/87288.

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:6944 Why Divorce Rate in India Increasing

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010
Why Divorce Rate in India Increasing
Divorce rate in india is steeply increasing as indian cities are
devloping. In india no metro cities is likely to be Hyper metro cities
with population of 20 millions. No other countries have this type of
hyper metro cities. Now, rural indian are shifting to urban india in
search of jobs and ample of opportunity provided by these cities. Now,
india is one of the largest exporter of IT. And now millions of
peoples work for IT companies and related companies like BPO, KPO etc.
Now, females also do work like males in india. Now, divorce rate in
india is also increasing.

Rate of Divorce in India
From past one decade divorce rate in india is increasing, but it is
not that high as compared to U.S. Unites states divorce rate is almost
50% but in india it is world lowest 1.1%. On rural india divorce rate
also very low. but now in urban india divorse rate is shooting.
Very low divorce rate in india. Help childrens raise without trouble.
In europe peoples wonder how indian do arrange marriage. But fact is
most indian do arrange marriage. And this type of marriage don't break
as easy as love marriage. Their are various causes of divorce in
india. It differs from European countries. Indian have to much
pressure to run family properly. and most of them don't believe in
second marriage. if nay dispute happen then both bridge and groom
family sit and sort out the problem.
In metro cities like delhi and banglore rate of divorce increased more
then 50%. Number of cases of divorce is alarming. Highest rise of
divorce cases is in IT and related industry.

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:6944 Married or no, women maintenance a must

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Monday, September 27, 2010
Married or no, women maintenance a must - Deserted long-term live-in
partner entitled to support, says apex court
Supreme court Justices are under the skirts of the Feminazi's, what
kind of nonsense talk it this, read.
"At another point, the court criticised law-makers for enshrining Rs
500 as the maximum maintenance per month in a 1973 law. "Whoever fixed
the amount was miserly," the judges observed. The Code of Criminal
Procedure, 1973, enshrines this as the maximum maintenance for all
dependants — wife and children."
1973 is not 2010, that is over 37 years back, these Judges are talking
with a forked tongue, if the Supreme court today comes up with a
figure do you think 40 years from now it will be adequate? Calling a
the 500 Rupee figure of 37 years back miserly is petty talk, and not
becoming of a Supreme Court Justices, these Judges have lowered
themselves by such talk, they are no better then the average man on
the street by such talk. Supreme court Judges are appeasing the
sentiments of the Feminazi's Fascists Witches, societies blood
suckers.

Sept 25, 2010

The Supreme Court has said that any woman in a long-term live-in
relationship is entitled to maintenance if deserted.
It is immaterial whether the woman was legally married to the man or
not, the court said. What matters is whether she was completely
dependent on him for sustenance.
"Women can't be left vagrant. Right to life (guaranteed under the
Constitution) includes the right to live with dignity. It is not
possible to live with dignity when a woman has no food and leads the
life of a destitute," said Justice A.K. Ganguly, sitting with senior
judge G.S. Singhvi.
Justice Singhvi added: "Someone has to take care of her if she is not
able to, just to prevent vagrancy."
"Leaving women to vagrancy threatens social stability and public
order," Justice Ganguly underlined. Women are, after all, the source
of all power, he said.
The two judges were hearing the petition of a woman, Chunmuniya, who
claimed that after her husband Ram Sharan died on March 7, 1992, she
was "married" off to his younger brother Virendra Kumar Singh
Kushwaha, as was the practice in her caste. Among some communities in
northern India, the widow of an older brother is forced to live with
any surviving brother. The marriage was performed simply by doing a
katha, she said.
Virendra, who was 10 years younger than Ram Sharan, deserted her in
1996. She moved an application for maintenance on March 26, 1997, but
he married another woman in 1998 while it was pending.
A family court upheld Chunmuniya's plea for maintenance. But Virendra
went to the high court denying that he had been married to her. He
claimed she had fraudulently inserted her name as his wife in the
family register with the panchayat to get a share of the property.
The high court ruled in his favour on November 11, 2007, saying
Chunmuniya had not been able to prove marriage. Invocation before a
sacred fire and saptapadi were the two ceremonies essential to the
validity of a marriage, it said, setting aside the family court order.
Chunmuniya then appealed to the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court decided that the issue needed consideration and
appointed Altaf Ahmad and P.S. Patwalia as the amicus curiae to assist
the judges in deciding the issue. Both contended that the law could be
interpreted to include all such women in the definition of "wife" to
enable them to get maintenance.
Ahmed said that if a woman marries under personal laws, she
immediately gets several rights and obligations. Those who do not, do
not get any rights. "If such dependent women are provided for, this
trend (of living-in) will also be discouraged," he contended.
The bench agreed that the status of a wife need not be a pre-requisite
for getting maintenance before reserving orders in the case. A
prolonged domestic relationship resembling marriage is enough to
entitle a deserted woman to maintenance, it observed.
Patwalia said that living-in was a fast-catching "urban phenomenon"
which the law must address. "Here, the man has no obligations or
responsibilities of any kind. Let the law reach out to them," he said.
The bench also expressed anguish over the use of such words as
"illegitimate" children and "other woman" in various laws and blamed
the "patriarchal" mindset of law-makers for this. "The use of the word
illegitimate stigmatises these children the day they are born,"
Justice Singhvi said.
At another point, the court criticized law-makers for enshrining Rs
500 as the maximum maintenance per month in a 1973 law. "Whoever fixed
the amount was miserly," the judges observed. The Code of Criminal
Procedure, 1973, enshrines this as the maximum maintenance for all
dependents — wife and children.

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:6944 Husbands Will Have To Declare Assets

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010

Bangalore: Wives fighting for maintenance in divorce cases have a lot
to look forward to if the state government accepts the recommendations
of the Karnataka Law Commission.
On Monday, the commission, headed by retired Justice V S Malimath,
recommended the amendment of Section 125(1) of the Criminal Procedure
Code (CrPC), making it mandatory for husbands to file an affidavit
about their income and assets.
Pressing for this change, the report said in many divorce cases,
wives, children and parents are struggling to lead a normal life due
to no maintenance.Therefore,husbands should declare assets and
liabilities within 15 days from issuing notice of the divorce. They
should also give details of employment.
"Having regard to the urgent need to provide maintenance to neglected
wife, children and parents, the law requires that the magistrate
should dispose of the application as far as possible within 60 days
from the date of service of notice of the application,'' the report
said.
The commission also came to the rescue of a woman who marries a man
without knowing about his earlier marriage. It has also recommended
the inclusion of a woman in a live-in relationship in the definition
of wife.
Recommending the amendment of Section 498A of the Indian Penal Code,
the commission said if a woman files a compliant against her husband
or relatives, it's considered a non-bailable offence and the entire
family is punishable with three years' imprisonment if found guilty.
The commission recommended it should be made a bailable offence and
only the husband or a relative of husband subjecting her to cruelty be
punished.
Submitting the report to law minister S Suresh Kumar, Malimath told
reporters the commission was ready to help people who approach it on
legal issues. The commission has also submitted 10 other reports
related to Criminal Law Amendments Act, Karnataka Lokayukta Act, The
Indian Succession Act 1925, Karnataka Panchayat Raj Act 1993, CrPC
1973, among others.
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[socialactionfoundationforequity:6944 Family Breaking Awareness

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Follow up activities for Family Breaking Awareness Month
In dowry on May 29, 2010 at 10:27 pm
PRESS RELEASE
Save Indian Family Foundation (SIFF), Children's Rights Initiative for
Shared Parenting (CRISP) and All India Mothers-in-Law Protection Forum
(AIMPF) are pro-family NGOs creating awareness in the society about
rampant family-breaking being done by misuse of dowry harassment laws,
domestic violence laws, maintenance laws and child custody laws.

On the eve of International Family Day, i.e. on May 14, the above NGOs
had conducted a joint press conference and stressed upon the
importance of strong families and fatherly role models for children
and society. They had also asked the Indian Govt. to take immediate
steps to stop family breaking due to misuse of dowry laws, violation
of civil liberties of innocents under Section 498A, Domestic Violence
laws and promote family harmony. Additionally, they had declared a
month long campaign called, "Family Breaking Awareness Campaign".

As part of the campaign the following two activities have been
completed and hence this press release.

Members of the organization today distributed 400 pamphlets, in the
family court of Bangalore, creating awareness of family breaking due
to marital laws, and consequently men, women and children suffering
due to the same. The pamphlets can be found at the following links,
English Version
Kannada Version
Two research reports, prepared by the Research team of SIFF, have been
sent to all the sitting judges of the Karnataka High Court. These
research reports are titled,
The Perils of Section 498A of IPC – A Report on Changes Required.
Rationalization of Alimony Laws.
Copies of the reports have also been sent to the Law Commission of
Karnataka (prepared at their request), Law Commission of India and the
Union Ministry of Law and Justice in the month of October 2009.

About the reports:

The following are the main highlighting points of the above 2 reports.

The Perils of Section 498A of IPC – A Report on Changes Required:

A brief technical explanation of the Section 498A of IPC and the modus
operandi of its misuse with some curious and famous cases highlighting
one or the other lacunae of the criminal justice system.
Locus Standi of Experts on Section 498A which includes views of the
higher judiciary, some eminent lawyers, noted women's rights activist
Madhu Kishwar, Chairperson of the National Commission for Women Dr.
Girija Vyas to name a few.
The various impacts created by Section 498A on the Government, Police,
Elders, Professional lives of individuals implicated in false 498A
cases, and Psychological impact on individuals in particular and the
society at large.
The fact that Section 498A and the processes around it at various
stages like complaint stage, FIR and bail stage, trial stage have made
"Suicide – The only way out of a broken marriage for husbands" along
with illustrative examples spread over the bandwidth of social strata
and case stages.
Rationalization of Alimony Laws:

The main highlighting points of the report on alimony are:-

Alimony – Its Origin.
Cases where Alimony/Maintenance is justified.
Cases where Alimony/Maintenance is thoroughly unjustified.
The Rural vs. Urban Women Divide.
A recent shift of attitude in the western countries with some case
studies.
The needed rationalizations.
We have planned more activities for the Family Breaking Awareness
Month for each of the coming two weeks and shall update the media
friends about the same, as and when, the activities commence.

We request our media friends to participate with us in the campaign to
"Save Indian Family" by giving this campaign wide and huge publicity.

Thanks and Regards

SIFF, CRISP and AIMPF

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:6944 Marital Laws: Family Breaking or Money-Making Industry?

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September 29, 2010 by Zubair Abdul Jabbar
Courtesy: SIFF

The above quotation may sound ambiguous and paradoxical to the reader
in its initial stage, but a deeper thought into it, contemplation and
a thorough study about it might prove the truth of it. The society is
totally unaware of the real facts behind the so called "The Protective
Wife-Centric Laws". They have become, "Destructive" laws" for the
husband, his family, the Indian society and mankind as a whole.

The statistics given below proves this fact.

70,000 marital cases per year.
Average alimony of Rs. 20 Lacs.
Rs. 14, 000 crores business shared by the police, the lawyers and the
judges.
Why will the Government, the Home – Ministry and the Law-Makers make
amendments in this money – making illustrious industry which
flourishes well with a lavish income to all government departments? It
reduces the load of the government exchequer as well as it does not
require the government to bother about the pay of its employees in
various departments as each one is getting more than the actual salary
by these "other sources of income" which is seldom questioned by any
authorities. Cases of poor people are seldom registered as no income
is made in such cases. The police and the lawyers like to take cases
of the well-to do and affluent families from where money can be
extorted regularly. One may just visit a court and he finds the
lawyers asking for any case. It may be noted here that the Karnataka
Home Ministry has declared that "Section 498A is working well".
Ironically it is working well for all the corrupted departments of the
government as they are minting money from this whopping industry of
corruption and mal-practices.

Average no. of cases filed against a husband.

498A.
Domestic Violence Act.
125 CrPC, maintenance case, including other cases from where the wife
takes maintenance simultaneously.
Child-Custody.
Divorce.
All these cases can be filed by the wife in courts in the same city or
different cities to harass the husband and his family. Any marital
dispute when taken to the police station by the disgruntled wife
either to gain personal scores or to revenge the in-laws becomes a
source of income for the police. For a few thousand rupees a false
case is registered without any proper documents or any investigation
only on a verbal complaint from a wife or a daughter-in-law
(DIL).without any proofs or evidences. The husband and his family are
not allowed to speak up a word in their defense and the whole family
(husband, father, mother, brother, sister, the aged parents and the
children) are put behind bars.

Then comes "Bail" part where the lawyers and the judiciary play a
meaty role. The lawyers extort a huge amount from the distraught
husband and his family on the pretext of getting bail orders from the
judiciary where the proceedings go on without any "transparency".

The ordeal of the innocent husband and his family does not end
here .It is just the beginning. One after another cases are filed
against him and his family. He is burdened with not only the tension
of running his family but also bear the fees of the various cases and
the lawyers, the maintenance orders passed by the court to the
disgruntled wife and even the expenses of travels if the cases are
filed in other cities which is generally done by wives to harass him
further.

The "Fear Factor" plays a vital role in the whole horrific drama. The
police terrorise the innocent family of husband with dire consequences
and extort money. The lawyers go a step further by consoling the
distort family that he is the "Savior" and they should rely on him
totally. Thus he too cuffs up a huge amount as fees from the husband
and drags the case.

Then comes the role of the judiciary. Even though at the initial stage
when it is evident that it is a false and "open and shut" case the
judges give date after date and harass the husband and family for
years. The innocent husband is advised to make settlements in the form
of monetary compensation to the adulterous wife. The whole system
including the police, the lawyers, and the judiciary act as "Brokers"
and are the "Benefactors" in this money-making industry which is
termed as "Protective Marital laws" by the law makers.

The NCW chair-person Dr. Girija Vyas has taken up the cause of the
honor killing of Nirupama Pathak of Jharkhand who is supposedly killed
by her own family. This case would have covertly been transferred into
a "Dowry death", had it been in the in-laws home. Would Dr Girija Vyas
then stand up for the women in the husband's family (mothers and
sisters)? May be not, as they have no place in the women's ministry.

Although the government is aware of the random "misuse" of the laws
like Section 498A, Domestic Violence, Maintenance laws, Child custody
and Divorce but is reluctant to make any changes in these laws which
are so "profitable" for the whole system.

Approximately 48% of the cases filed in the courts are of "Marital
disputes". Hence no one wants to lose the share of booty from this
money-making industry. The tax-paying husband and his family become
total "bakras" at the behest of this whole system whose salaries are
paid from the tax given by the hard-earned money of these innocent
husbands

The recent case of Mohammed Ajmal Aamir Kasav is an example of the
speedy disposal of such a severe case of which the judiciary should
take a lesson. It is disgusting that the judges take years to decide
"petty marital cases".

The demand of the present day is to bring "Transparency" in the court
proceedings and to grant "Justice" to the innocent husband and his
family. Marital disputes should not go to the police stations but to
family courts and marriage counselors who are properly trained in
these matters. These disputes should be settled in a limited "time
frame" and not dragged unnecessarily for years. Punishments for filing
false cases should be severe and in accordance with law so as to check
the misuse. Compensation should be granted to the aggrieved and
harassed family of the husband if the case proves to be false.

The Family Breaking Laws

The laws meant for the protection of women (read wife) are formulated
on the recommendations of the Feminists, the NCW and WCD Ministry
which are one-sided, biased and detrimental to family life. Since
these laws have many loopholes they are "misused" by young women to
harass the in-laws. Once a family matter goes to police-stations and
courts, there is no scope of reconciliation which ultimately results
in breaking of families. Does the Indian Government want a "Family-
less-society" like the US for the future generations?

The Responsibility of the Media

The media being a very powerful means of reaching to the masses should
bear certain responsibilities. Why do the media try to increase the
TRP by showing one-sided stories of women being harassed by the in-
laws? The media should refrain from using derogatory and resentful
language for the husbands and in-laws. The current misuse of laws by
wives and daughter-in-law is known to every one, why the media does
not take up the responsibility of high-lighting these issues which can
also prove to be an effective method to increase the TRP too which is
the hot current issue these days?

Hence there should be no further delay by any government system as
well as media to bring the "Wanted Change" in the society. Or else the
police may rather arrest the husband and his family and put them
behind bars as no investigation is done nor evidences considered
either by the police or the courts, only the verbal complaints made by
the woman and her relatives is considered as the "gospel truth". Let
the government start a "Jail Bharo Andolan" where the husband and his
family can spend their life at the expense of the state treasury, as
the famous saying "Justice delayed is justice denied" is very true for
the victimized and innocent husband and his family.

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:6944 After 498 A FIR and bails, now what to do?

Buzz It
If you have a job/ business?

You are the luckiest as you will be back on track, professionally and
financially so soon. You will leave early and come back late night
chasing company targets and job responsibilities and have very less
worry as for the next 2 yrs as things will move extremely slowly
before the trial picks up and judge will give you 3 to 4 months date ,
so u need to go just 3 to 4 times in a year to the court , in-laws
will get fed up at no or slow progress , out of court settlement talks
will start and since you have money , you may decide to walk out of
this shit fast so that you can focus on your career and start a new
life.
If you have no job, business and no money?
You will have all the time in the world to observe and learn things
like –
Visit various parks in your city as you have all the time in the world
to sit there.

Gaze stars at night and wonder why this happened to you. Become
philosophical.
Go for long walks, jogging to get you in shape.
Visit court on every date and pick up the system of court working.
Make new friends in courts, learn about law and start fighting your
own cases.
Start walking with other victims to courts and women cell.
Since you will become a sharp observer of things, you may pick up
various subjects in the court, city to improve things and pursue them
to make a change in the society or the way things function.
Start traveling to new places to get fresh, do photography.
Meet relatives, friends who have been telling you for so long to come
and stay with them.
Pick up new hobbies.
Watch movies.
Learn cooking.
Work on new ideas, innovation, do research and plan things so that
when you have money, you can take off those ventures which will be
better than a job.
Become a visionary.
Read new books, newspapers, start visiting libraries, including court
libraries.
Wash clothes; clean your room and things you haven't looked at for
many years.

Go through various moods of your life from depression to seeing
happiness in every small achievement and become a positive thinker.
Join a cause and be its active member and lead from the front.
Improve your verbal and written communication skills.
Improve your negotiation skills as you have no money.
Make new friends as old ones won't come near you.
Visit Gurdwaras, temple and develop faith in God .
Develop tremendous self confidence.
Start meeting top police officials , judges, lawyers and learn how to
handle them.
Nutshell is, it teaches you to become a SURVIVOR for life like there
is a Japanese saying
Give a man a fish when hungry and he lives for that day.
Teach him how to fish
And he survives for life.

498 A pushes you to the most difficult circumstances and inhospitable
environment, but in the end, you learn how to be a survivor.

Thanks to 498 A wife and in-laws who gave us a crash course in the art
of survival.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 28 2010 10:46 pm
From: JetsLife


On Sep 27, 9:45 pm, Deadmeat <no...@home.com> wrote:
> On 9/27/2010 9:28 PM, BicketyBam wrote:
>
> > This just cracked me up!
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsuLFxXi_aw
>
> That has been happening for as long as the jest have played down here.
>   It's funny they were still able to spell it without fireman whats his
> face helping them out.

Who's your team, Deadmeat? If it's Miami or NE, I can't say it hasn't
been fun to shit on the likes of a classless piece of shit like
you. :-)

In this newsgroup we PRIZE honorable opposing-team fans who post with
self respect and honor. Folks like you -- we see you for the classless
POS you are. :-)


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 5:11 am
From: Deadmeat


On 9/29/2010 1:46 AM, JetsLife wrote:
> On Sep 27, 9:45 pm, Deadmeat<no...@home.com> wrote:
>> On 9/27/2010 9:28 PM, BicketyBam wrote:
>>
>>> This just cracked me up!
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsuLFxXi_aw
>>
>> That has been happening for as long as the jest have played down here.
>> It's funny they were still able to spell it without fireman whats his
>> face helping them out.
>
> Who's your team, Deadmeat? If it's Miami or NE, I can't say it hasn't
> been fun to shit on the likes of a classless piece of shit like
> you. :-)
>
> In this newsgroup we PRIZE honorable opposing-team fans who post with
> self respect and honor. Folks like you -- we see you for the classless
> POS you are. :-)


Ok, now ask me if I give a fuck. Hope that was classless enough for you.

And it's not my fault if you're too stupid to figure out who I root for.
At least the other regs have enough reading comprehension skills to
figure it out.

oh yeah, :)


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 6:32 am
From: "yoyodog"

"Deadmeat" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:4ca32cd0$0$1400$c3e8da3$e408f015@news.astraweb.com...
> On 9/29/2010 1:46 AM, JetsLife wrote:
>> On Sep 27, 9:45 pm, Deadmeat<no...@home.com> wrote:
>>> On 9/27/2010 9:28 PM, BicketyBam wrote:
>>>
>>>> This just cracked me up!
>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsuLFxXi_aw
>>>
>>> That has been happening for as long as the jest have played down here.
>>> It's funny they were still able to spell it without fireman whats his
>>> face helping them out.
>>
>> Who's your team, Deadmeat? If it's Miami or NE, I can't say it hasn't
>> been fun to shit on the likes of a classless piece of shit like
>> you. :-)
>>
>> In this newsgroup we PRIZE honorable opposing-team fans who post with
>> self respect and honor. Folks like you -- we see you for the classless
>> POS you are. :-)
>
>
> Ok, now ask me if I give a fuck. Hope that was classless enough for you.
>
> And it's not my fault if you're too stupid to figure out who I root for.
> At least the other regs have enough reading comprehension skills to figure
> it out.
>
> oh yeah, :)

The Bears?


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 7:28 am
From: Deadmeat


On 9/29/2010 9:32 AM, yoyodog wrote:
> "Deadmeat"<noone@home.com> wrote in message
> news:4ca32cd0$0$1400$c3e8da3$e408f015@news.astraweb.com...
>> On 9/29/2010 1:46 AM, JetsLife wrote:
>>> On Sep 27, 9:45 pm, Deadmeat<no...@home.com> wrote:
>>>> On 9/27/2010 9:28 PM, BicketyBam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This just cracked me up!
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsuLFxXi_aw
>>>>
>>>> That has been happening for as long as the jest have played down here.
>>>> It's funny they were still able to spell it without fireman whats his
>>>> face helping them out.
>>>
>>> Who's your team, Deadmeat? If it's Miami or NE, I can't say it hasn't
>>> been fun to shit on the likes of a classless piece of shit like
>>> you. :-)
>>>
>>> In this newsgroup we PRIZE honorable opposing-team fans who post with
>>> self respect and honor. Folks like you -- we see you for the classless
>>> POS you are. :-)
>>
>>
>> Ok, now ask me if I give a fuck. Hope that was classless enough for you.
>>
>> And it's not my fault if you're too stupid to figure out who I root for.
>> At least the other regs have enough reading comprehension skills to figure
>> it out.
>>
>> oh yeah, :)
>
> The Bears?
>
>
Right.

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 6:04 am
From: Copp


In article <t82dnerN49IEAT_RnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:

> > Right now they are giving up 27.3 pts a game.
>
> No, I think it's 25 point something.

Nope, they've given up 82 points. 82/3=27.3. Good
for 28th in the league.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 6:42 am
From: John C TX


On Sep 28, 9:24 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> On 9/28/2010 10:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 28, 9:55 pm, MZ<m...@nospam.void>  wrote:
> >> On 9/28/2010 8:29 PM, Copp wrote:
>
> >>>   From the Boston Globe:
>
> >>> "This is how bad the Patriots pass defense is going to be this year.
> >>> Ryan Fitzpatrick -- who has completed 58 percent of his passes
> >>> historically -- went on a 14-of-18 streak for 178 yards to end
> >>> the game. And it wasn't in mopup time, either, as only four of
> >>> the passes came while the Bills were down by more than eight points.
> >>> The Patriots were able to turn two of Fitzpatrick's incompletions
> >>> into interceptions, but if Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Bills offensive
> >>> line can move the ball comfortably on you..."
>
> >>> Right now they are giving up 27.3 pts a game.
>
> >> No, I think it's 25 point something.  Not a whole lot better.  But it's
> >> worth pointing out that their #1 ranked offense dominated two of their
> >> three games, and the 2nd half prevent defense gave up some scores.
> >> Maybe their prevent defense is a worry -- maybe one of these times a
> >> team will actually be able to come back from a deficit (hasn't happened
> >> yet).  But so far, the reports of New England's D struggles are
> >> overblown.  If the officials hadn't given Buffalo a free TD last week,
> >> then the Pats D would have given up a whopping 16 points.  This is what
> >> the Boston Globe is getting their panties in a twist about?
>
> >> And why is this crossposted to the Jets NG??
>
> > the pats can still outscore 2/3 of the teams in the nfl.  if they wan
> > to get back up to top five status, they need edge rushers and have to
> > fix the problems with the db's.  injuries were costly there.  still...
> > im beginning to think as are a lot of fans that bb feels he can throw
> > anything out there and still win with it no matter how inexperienced
> > or mediocre the talent.
>
> I think he's also overrated as a defensive coach.  He's a terrific
> offensive mind, but there's not much evidence that he can produce
> results on defense in today's NFL.  Sure, once upon a time, in a land
> far far away, he coached an excellent defense.  He hasn't done anything
> on defense in 20 years, unless we want to count what Romeo Crennel did
> for him between '01 and '04.  Surprise surprise, '05 (when Mangini took
> over as DC) was the first year the Pats D became pedestrian.  Mangini's
> different -- he just doesn't know much about defense.  How he's still an
> NFL coach is mind boggling.  Belichick does know about defense, but he
> can't produce.  He's incapable of molding his defensive philosophy to
> fit the personnel he has.
>
> Meanwhile, Crennel is coaching a defense that's currently presently
> ranked in the top 3.  Quick, name a Chiefs defensive player!  Exactly.

I will pat myself on the back after three games on this as I saw the
Chiefs success.

:)

They have Crennel coaching defense, Weis on offense and Muir coaching
the OL.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/coaches?coaType=assist&team=KC

I wonder if BB even considered bringing back Crennel & or Weis or of
the Pats are just too cheap?
>
> Pats D will remain middle of the road.  They won't become the debacle
> that everyone's saying, but they also won't win games for the team
> either.  The question is, and always has been, whether or not Brady and
> co. can dominate.  With Faulk gone, I'm beginning to have my doubts.

Health is so critical to the offense at RB although it isn't like
there is a big difference in what they have except BJGE. You are
right he is just soft.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 6:45 am
From: Michael


On Sep 28, 11:56 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> On 9/28/2010 11:16 PM, Michael wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 28, 10:24 pm, MZ<m...@nospam.void>  wrote:
> >> On 9/28/2010 10:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> >>> On Sep 28, 9:55 pm, MZ<m...@nospam.void>    wrote:
> >>>> On 9/28/2010 8:29 PM, Copp wrote:
>
> >>>>>    From the Boston Globe:
>
> >>>>> "This is how bad the Patriots pass defense is going to be this year.
> >>>>> Ryan Fitzpatrick -- who has completed 58 percent of his passes
> >>>>> historically -- went on a 14-of-18 streak for 178 yards to end
> >>>>> the game. And it wasn't in mopup time, either, as only four of
> >>>>> the passes came while the Bills were down by more than eight points.
> >>>>> The Patriots were able to turn two of Fitzpatrick's incompletions
> >>>>> into interceptions, but if Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Bills offensive
> >>>>> line can move the ball comfortably on you..."
>
> >>>>> Right now they are giving up 27.3 pts a game.
>
> >>>> No, I think it's 25 point something.  Not a whole lot better.  But it's
> >>>> worth pointing out that their #1 ranked offense dominated two of their
> >>>> three games, and the 2nd half prevent defense gave up some scores.
> >>>> Maybe their prevent defense is a worry -- maybe one of these times a
> >>>> team will actually be able to come back from a deficit (hasn't happened
> >>>> yet).  But so far, the reports of New England's D struggles are
> >>>> overblown.  If the officials hadn't given Buffalo a free TD last week,
> >>>> then the Pats D would have given up a whopping 16 points.  This is what
> >>>> the Boston Globe is getting their panties in a twist about?
>
> >>>> And why is this crossposted to the Jets NG??
>
> >>> the pats can still outscore 2/3 of the teams in the nfl.  if they wan
> >>> to get back up to top five status, they need edge rushers and have to
> >>> fix the problems with the db's.  injuries were costly there.  still...
> >>> im beginning to think as are a lot of fans that bb feels he can throw
> >>> anything out there and still win with it no matter how inexperienced
> >>> or mediocre the talent.
>
> >> I think he's also overrated as a defensive coach.  He's a terrific
> >> offensive mind, but there's not much evidence that he can produce
> >> results on defense in today's NFL.  Sure, once upon a time, in a land
> >> far far away, he coached an excellent defense.  He hasn't done anything
> >> on defense in 20 years, unless we want to count what Romeo Crennel did
> >> for him between '01 and '04.  Surprise surprise, '05 (when Mangini took
> >> over as DC) was the first year the Pats D became pedestrian.  Mangini's
> >> different -- he just doesn't know much about defense.  How he's still an
> >> NFL coach is mind boggling.  Belichick does know about defense, but he
> >> can't produce.  He's incapable of molding his defensive philosophy to
> >> fit the personnel he has.
>
> >> Meanwhile, Crennel is coaching a defense that's currently presently
> >> ranked in the top 3.  Quick, name a Chiefs defensive player!  Exactly.
>
> >> Pats D will remain middle of the road.  They won't become the debacle
> >> that everyone's saying, but they also won't win games for the team
> >> either.  The question is, and always has been, whether or not Brady and
> >> co. can dominate.  With Faulk gone, I'm beginning to have my doubts.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > dont they have two first round choices next year ??? two first round
> > picks can change a defense.  especially if they draft a dominatig edge
> > rusher.  look what peppers did last night... i think they went for the
> > long range build over time deal.  they might have even held the fort
> > well enough until reinfocements made it if not for the injuries to the
> > db's and ty warren.  they had some serious bad luck.  im also
> > wondering about the offense.  they had hard time against the jets in
> > the second half where miami passed all over them.
>
> They're in very good shape as far as youth goes.  24 draft picks in the
> past two drafts (many of them turned out to be pretty good) and well
> positioned in the next draft.  But that doesn't help them right now.
> They've got a very young team, guys that show flashes of individual
> effort at times, but don't seem to be able to play as a team.  That
> boils down to coaching, in my view.
>
> I also think some of the decision-making has been bad.  I'm still trying
> to figure out, when Buffalo was running outside all day long because the
> Pats OLBs couldn't set the edge...why was the Pats best run-stopping
> outside linebacker (Banta-Cain) sitting on the bench?  Because of his
> late-hit penalty last week?  Seriously?  Belichick holds a grudge that
> long?  Despite the general view that Belichick makes cold calculated
> decisions, sometimes I get the impression that he makes emotional
> decisions.  This might be where some of his coordinators in the past
> held him in check.  And yes, I think you're right that he's arrogantly
> gotten the impression that he can plug any player into any position and
> get them to perform -- he seems content with having a bunch of guys who
> can "do their jobs" (as they're trained to say), but they don't make
> plays.  They just do their jobs.
>
> As for the Pats problems with the Jets... well, the Jets made better
> adjustments.  Also, let's just say that Schott isn't the only OC in the
> league drawing criticism.  Even though the Pats hung 38 points on the
> Bills D, the playcalling in that game was very questionable too.  The
> only reason they got anything done offensively is because Brady and his
> receivers were clicking and the offensive line was opening up holes ...
> oh, and the Bills D is unbelievably bad.  You'll get to see that this
> week.  :)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Mark... Watch what the Pats defense does against the Fish. It is a
matter of styles. They have an ideal defensive system for the Fish
offense. I bet they hold them to less than half the passing yards the
Jets gave up. I have to say though... The Jets did what I said they
had to do against the wild cat. They did not abandon the gaps. They
did a great job of it. The defensive backfied was a disaster. Partly
a man problem issue and party a result of bad coverage scheme.


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 7:43 am
From: MZ


On 9/29/2010 9:04 AM, Copp wrote:
> In article<t82dnerN49IEAT_RnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
> MZ<mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>
>>> Right now they are giving up 27.3 pts a game.
>>
>> No, I think it's 25 point something.
>
> Nope, they've given up 82 points. 82/3=27.3. Good
> for 28th in the league.
>

I think you're counting special teams TDs. We're talking about the defense.


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 9:04 am
From: Smithee


On Sep 28, 8:29 pm, Copp <cr79...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From the Boston Globe:
>
> "This is how bad the Patriots pass defense is going to be this year.
> Ryan Fitzpatrick -- who has completed 58 percent of his passes
> historically -- went on a 14-of-18 streak for 178 yards to end
> the game. And it wasn't in mopup time, either, as only four of
> the passes came while the Bills were down by more than eight points.
> The Patriots were able to turn two of Fitzpatrick's incompletions
> into interceptions, but if Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Bills offensive
> line can move the ball comfortably on you..."
>
> Right now they are giving up 27.3 pts a game. To match last year's
> 17.8 pts/gm, they will have to give up an average of 15.6 pts/game
> from here on out. Can they do it? Will they even get to a
> mediocre 20 pts/game this season? Is there a better chance that
> they will end up as the all time worst defense? Will we even be able to boil
> their stinkitude down to a single number? Discuss.

This is going to be a good defense. WHEN they become a good defense
is unknown. But right now, there are a bunch of fast, young, athletic
players making mistakes that young, inexperienced players make.
Unfortunately, I don't know when it will all come together and the
youngsters stop making the mistakes they're making now. I would not
be surprised if this defense gets very good come November and
December. I would also not be surprised if they are still struggling
throughout the season and don't come together until next year.


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 10:07 am
From: John C TX


On Sep 29, 9:43 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> On 9/29/2010 9:04 AM, Copp wrote:
>
> > In article<t82dnerN49IEAT_RnZ2dnUVZ_r2dn...@giganews.com>
> > MZ<m...@nospam.void>  wrote:
>
> >>> Right now they are giving up 27.3 pts a game.
>
> >> No, I think it's 25 point something.
>
> > Nope, they've given up 82 points. 82/3=27.3. Good
> > for 28th in the league.
>
> I think you're counting special teams TDs.  We're talking about the defense.

Mark, good point. Neither Yahoo, Pro Football Reference or NFL.Com
sorts it that way.


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 10:31 am
From: MZ


On 9/29/2010 12:04 PM, Smithee wrote:
> On Sep 28, 8:29 pm, Copp<cr79...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> From the Boston Globe:
>>
>> "This is how bad the Patriots pass defense is going to be this year.
>> Ryan Fitzpatrick -- who has completed 58 percent of his passes
>> historically -- went on a 14-of-18 streak for 178 yards to end
>> the game. And it wasn't in mopup time, either, as only four of
>> the passes came while the Bills were down by more than eight points.
>> The Patriots were able to turn two of Fitzpatrick's incompletions
>> into interceptions, but if Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Bills offensive
>> line can move the ball comfortably on you..."
>>
>> Right now they are giving up 27.3 pts a game. To match last year's
>> 17.8 pts/gm, they will have to give up an average of 15.6 pts/game
>> from here on out. Can they do it? Will they even get to a
>> mediocre 20 pts/game this season? Is there a better chance that
>> they will end up as the all time worst defense? Will we even be able to boil
>> their stinkitude down to a single number? Discuss.
>
> This is going to be a good defense. WHEN they become a good defense
> is unknown. But right now, there are a bunch of fast, young, athletic
> players making mistakes that young, inexperienced players make.
> Unfortunately, I don't know when it will all come together and the
> youngsters stop making the mistakes they're making now. I would not
> be surprised if this defense gets very good come November and
> December. I would also not be surprised if they are still struggling
> throughout the season and don't come together until next year.

I agree with you about youth. A lot of these young players are showing
flashes here and there. Spikes looks good one moment and then looks
like crap. The same thing goes for McCourty and Brace and Arrington.
Then you've got Butler, who was one of the top players on defense during
camp, who's now hit a rough patch. If they can all get it together at
the same time, they'll become a productive unit. Maybe Dean Pees wasn't
as bad a coach as many of us thought. Because Patricia/Belichick and
whoever else just ain't getting it done. The only player right now
who's consistently looked good every week is Pat Chung, who's making a
strong case for the pro bowl.

The Jets face similar issues in their secondary. Wilson has, for the
most part, looked like crap so far. But he also shows flashes of
brilliance which makes you remember why they drafted him. They've also
had some great play and then some bad play out of all their safeties.
Some teams are often slow out of the gate, or have particular units that
are slow out of the gate. The Pats and Jets are both exhibiting this
tendency right now.


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 10:33 am
From: Polarhound


And now, a little common sense from Bruce Allen:

http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/2010/09/patriots-grade-well-on-one-side-patience-needed-on-other

"The Tuesday report cards are out, and as you might imagine, the
Patriots offense scored quite well, while their defensive teammates were
handed flunking grades for the most part – which they deserve for their
performance.

However, a problem I do have with this type of assessment involves
expectations. What are the expectations for this defense? For many
people it apparently is Super Bowl- caliber, which simply isn't
realistic. This is a young group that is just learning to play in the
NFL, let alone function together as a cohesive unit. They're being
graded on a scale of whether they are an elite defense. They're not at
that level. They have a long way to go to just be good.

This, along with leadership takes time to develop. It's not in fashion
for the media to point this out, as they seem ultra-focused on the
week-to-week view of things. An Albert Breer (
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2010/09/defense_remains.html
)blog post yesterday is a perfect example. He starts out by basically
insisting that after three weeks, this defense should be so much more
developed by now. Three weeks! He moans that "roughly one-fifth of the
season" is gone now. That's 18.75% of the season! That's ridiculous.

Does anyone remember the 1999 and 2000 Patriots? 8-8 and 5-11 records?
Who was on that defense? Ty Law, Tedy Bruschi, Ted Johnson, Willie
McGinest, Lawyer Milloy…all guys who would become stalwarts on Super
Bowl winners. At that point however, what was the view of those guys?
Underachievers? For the most part, yes. Were they viewed as potential
team leaders on a Super Bowl winner? I certainly don't recall that being
the case, even though most of them had been to a Super Bowl under Bill
Parcells just a few seasons prior. Johnson and McGinest were perpetually
injured and making big bucks, and many people questioned whether Bruschi
was an every-down linebacker.

By the time 2001 came around, most of these guys had been playing
together for five or more seasons. I am NOT suggesting that the talent
level of the current Patriots defense is on the level of those guys, but
there is talent here. It's going to need time to come together.
Expectations need to be lowered. This is not a Super Bowl caliber
defense, or even a good defense right now. No one is suggesting that,
least of all me. So rather that fully focusing on the stats (like Breer
does) perhaps its time to look at little closer at individual
performance to guage whether improvement is being made."

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 6:33 am
From: John C TX


On Sep 28, 9:44 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article <a7f4a6ds37c87danbslk0iaak1dnl07...@4ax.com>,
>
>  buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> > The Rams signed him off our PS.
>
> > This one pisses me off.  We keep the spot for McKnight, and lose Chauncey
> > Washington, who
> > really impressed me in preseason, with his tough running.  The ramifications
> > of the Leon
> > trade, keep on ticking.
> > Greene better stay healthy.
>
> Actually, I don't mind keeping McNothing. Signing Clowney pissed me off.
> IMHO, he is the guy who cost us Woodhead and Chauncey.
>
> I am not worried either will become a star (as I used to mistakenly
> worry about Lamont J). But I could imagine that either could have filled
> in if Shonn's injury lingers or something untoward happened to LT.
>
> harlan

h, great post, and these things are growing pains of improved team.
After I wrote this didn't the previous bone heads cost us Derrick
Ward.

My problem is this team isn't exactly built for a run for ten years so
if players go down we need capable replacements. So having a RB that
looked OK & played good ST (C Washington) has value. Keeping a
player that was very good & played very good special teams
(LWashington) has a ton of value. All they needed to do was spend
some money.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 6:52 am
From: John C TX


> > > There are varying degrees of pulled hamstrings but like groin pulls,
> > > abdominal pulls, they are very tricky.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > there are four on each leg, no ???- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> i mean four places where it can happen...

You might be right Michael. I have seen guys fight them for years.
They try: rest & rehab, just rest & then rehab and they come bcak &
bang it happens again.

I did once & my leg went black from my butt to my ankle with all the
blood. I swear by massage therapy -shut up Johnny-- to repair pulls.
Finding a good sports rehab one is very tough.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 7:00 am
From: John C TX


On Sep 28, 9:00 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 4:47 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > btw someone mentioned Singletary. A friend went to Baylor at the same
> > time.  Baylor took attendance & Singletary showed up for every class
> > in a shirt & tie and a briefcase.  He knew why he was there.
>
> he was also a hof quality player. i'm not so sure how he'll make out
> as hc.  the defensive effort his team gave against the saints was
> fantastic. and then they look horrible.  it appears to be coaching
> issues...

It may take a him another team to be successful. His style may lead to
swings.

If I was college program that wanted no nonsense players I would grab
him. Any African -American family, any family, who was smart enough
to hope for the NFL but want a degree for their kid would be first in
line. You wouldn't get Pac Man Jones but you would get the next Mike
Singeltary.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 9:36 am
From: Michael


On Sep 29, 10:00 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 9:00 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 28, 4:47 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > btw someone mentioned Singletary. A friend went to Baylor at the same
> > > time.  Baylor took attendance & Singletary showed up for every class
> > > in a shirt & tie and a briefcase.  He knew why he was there.
>
> > he was also a hof quality player. i'm not so sure how he'll make out
> > as hc.  the defensive effort his team gave against the saints was
> > fantastic. and then they look horrible.  it appears to be coaching
> > issues...
>
> It may take a him another team to be successful. His style may lead to
> swings.
>
> If I was college program that wanted no nonsense players I would grab
> him. Any African -American family, any family,  who was smart enough
> to hope for the NFL but want a degree for their kid would be first in
> line.  You wouldn't get Pac Man Jones but you would get the next Mike
> Singeltary.

i hope he does well. his values are admirable. "no fighting" or
monkey business at practice and camp... hard nosed playing, unselfish
team players... no "me" players... it may be a bit of a disadvange or
it may not, but he seems to like assistant guys that think just like
that too. hard nosed throw backs like manusky. i could be wrong, but
i think he'll need offensive and defensive coordiantors with lots of
depth instead of just guys with hard-nosed values to bring to the
table. that is what i think... he'll be a good guy to mold a team
around his quality values, but he may need some more depth and
sophistication from his assistants.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 9:59 am
From: John C TX


On Sep 29, 11:36 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 10:00 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 28, 9:00 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 28, 4:47 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > btw someone mentioned Singletary. A friend went to Baylor at the same
> > > > time.  Baylor took attendance & Singletary showed up for every class
> > > > in a shirt & tie and a briefcase.  He knew why he was there.
>
> > > he was also a hof quality player. i'm not so sure how he'll make out
> > > as hc.  the defensive effort his team gave against the saints was
> > > fantastic. and then they look horrible.  it appears to be coaching
> > > issues...
>
> > It may take a him another team to be successful. His style may lead to
> > swings.
>
> > If I was college program that wanted no nonsense players I would grab
> > him. Any African -American family, any family,  who was smart enough
> > to hope for the NFL but want a degree for their kid would be first in
> > line.  You wouldn't get Pac Man Jones but you would get the next Mike
> > Singeltary.
>
> i hope he does well.  his values are admirable.  "no fighting" or
> monkey business at practice and camp... hard nosed playing, unselfish
> team players... no "me" players... it may be a bit of a disadvange or
> it may not, but he seems to like assistant guys that think just like
> that too.  hard nosed throw backs like manusky. i could be wrong, but
> i think he'll need offensive and defensive coordiantors with lots of
> depth instead of just guys with hard-nosed values to bring to the
> table.  that is what i think... he'll be a good guy to mold a team
> around his quality values, but he may need some more depth and
> sophistication from his assistants.

& like BB may need to fail once.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 7:24 am
From: John C TX


I assume they realize Clemens won't stay & O'Connell might suck.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 7:52 am
From: graybeard


On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 07:24:06 -0700 (PDT) John C TX
<johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote:

>I assume they realize Clemens won't stay & O'Connell might suck.

Jets play Buffalo this week.
Bills cut their starting QB.
Jets try to sign him.

You really think this has anything to do with talent?
--
graybeard


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 8:20 am
From: Ritchie


On Sep 29, 10:24 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I assume they realize Clemens won't stay & O'Connell might suck.

No its because they wanted to pick Trent's brain (even if its small)
on Buffalo"s offense, since the Jets play them this week. Most likely
they would have signed him got what info they could out of him and
released him in 2 weeks.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 8:47 am
From: Michael


On Sep 29, 10:24 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I assume they realize Clemens won't stay & O'Connell might suck.

If the jets need to resort to surberfuge to beat the Bills, I want a
Tom Brady jersey


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 10:01 am
From: John C TX


On Sep 29, 10:20 am, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 10:24 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I assume they realize Clemens won't stay & O'Connell might suck.
>
> No its because they wanted to pick Trent's brain (even if its small)
> on Buffalo"s offense, since the Jets play them this week. Most likely
> they would have signed him got what info they could out of him and
> released him in 2 weeks.

I don't know how I missed that one.

Both you & Gray are probably right.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 8:59 am
From: buRford


It's always interesting to see people's choice of partner in life.
Rex did well, but I bet he aint on top much ;)

http://bit.ly/dnQ1CS

Rex Ryan's wife, Michelle, is part of the new NFL "Fit For You" product line and ad
campaign designed to make wearing women's favorite team logoed apparel more appealing to
the growing number of female fans of the NFL.

http://bit.ly/bUzZlR


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 10:54 am
From: graybeard


On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:59:29 -0400 buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:

>It's always interesting to see people's choice of partner in life.
>Rex did well, but I bet he aint on top much ;)

Unless they're doing it doggie style ;-)
--
graybeard

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