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Today's topics:
* Why did the Contador dope story come out ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e8e52c6aa8a7a445?hl=en
* Lance Armstrong releases theme song - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f54eb3792382e3cc?hl=en
* Contador - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7ff2c77e81cdea84?hl=en
* RIP RAAM Fred #1 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ee308000b422299d?hl=en
* Contador said... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9ae591e307fefb4d?hl=en
* How can you tell a bike rider is lying...? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b2d2c0f6833201a2?hl=en
* Good SI Article on the Contador Affair - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8bfa348585ba3894?hl=en
* Lag Time - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8887b3f82d9b4784?hl=en
* Why not a shadow at a GT? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/643d029a54806970?hl=en
* Looks like Lim perjured himself today - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4ec5a58e9b036147?hl=en
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TOPIC: Why did the Contador dope story come out ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e8e52c6aa8a7a445?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 11:37 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"
"Keith" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:i25aa6d9kmjkerjbcc1rjebql1840imco9@4ax.com...
: Has anyone seen a good explanation for that?
Dumbass -
Because the B sample came back positive.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
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TOPIC: Lance Armstrong releases theme song
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/f54eb3792382e3cc?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 1:15 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"
Anton Berlin wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sWzA24lqHI&feature=related
Brad Anders wrote:
> What's your theme song? "Obsessed"?
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs>
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 8:10 am
From: Brad Anders
On Oct 1, 1:15 am, "Beloved Fred No. 1" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> Anton Berlin wrote:
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sWzA24lqHI&feature=related
> Brad Anders wrote:
> > What's your theme song? "Obsessed"?
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs>
+1
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 8:48 am
From: RicodJour
On Oct 1, 11:10 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 1, 1:15 am, "Beloved Fred No. 1" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> > Anton Berlin wrote:
> > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sWzA24lqHI&feature=related
> > Brad Anders wrote:
> > > What's your theme song? "Obsessed"?
>
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs>
>
> +1
-1
Even someone as cool as Sting can't pull off a MacGuyver Mullet.
R
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 9:49 am
From: BLafferty
On 9/30/2010 9:37 PM, LawBoy01 wrote:
> On Sep 30, 7:33 pm, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sWzA24lqHI&feature=related
>
> Yawn.
Which of those guys looked most like your grandfather?
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TOPIC: Contador
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7ff2c77e81cdea84?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 1:30 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"
drmofe wrote:
> But the Tour de Donuts is more entertaining when you see one
> domestique go back to the pack carrying donuts for the whole team...
In which case the domestiques will have to be on Viagra.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 6:44 am
From: Brad Anders
On Sep 30, 10:21 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 7:32 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > Required. Referees dose each contestant at the sign in.
> > Could have a mystery dose ride, where the riders do
> > not know what they were given.
>
> Why leave it a mystery? For a stage race use a handicap system on a
> sliding scale where the lowest placed riders get full doses of the
> *good* stuff and the leader gets a placebo. Takes race "tactics" to a
> whole new level.
>
> DR
I really like this idea, it's a lot like the weight handicapping
that's used in various forms of motorsport. They could have an
extended feature after each stage in a grand tour stage, where the
bottom half of the GC lines up to eagerly wait for their "SuperTurbo"
shot of EPO, HGC, various stimulants, and T. The camera could pan to
their excited faces as they get their fix. Then, just before the
stage, they could interview selected riders, "GodDAMN IT! My 'friggin
heart feels like an ALLIGATOR! I'm ready to KICK SOME ASS!"
Hey, if the sport is going the way of WWE, it needs some more kick to
it.
Brad Anders
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 12:22 pm
From: Michael Press
In article
<4e7233f3-0926-49de-bfa5-1e3b1a436ac5@z28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
DirtRoadie <DirtRoadie@aol.com> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 7:32 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > Required. Referees dose each contestant at the sign in.
> > Could have a mystery dose ride, where the riders do
> > not know what they were given.
>
> Why leave it a mystery?
Because it is _one_ idea of many;
> For a stage race use a handicap system on a
> sliding scale where the lowest placed riders get full doses of the
> *good* stuff and the leader gets a placebo. Takes race "tactics" to a
> whole new level.
such as this one.
--
Michael Press
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TOPIC: RIP RAAM Fred #1
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ee308000b422299d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 1:42 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"
RicodJour wrote:
> I engage in Leonardo sleep when I have a project due and I'm under a
> crunch...too bad I'm not Leonardo. Sigh.
Perhaps one day you could be:
<http://www.leonardoporntube.com/>
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TOPIC: Contador said...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9ae591e307fefb4d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 1:48 am
From: "A. Dumas"
Fred wrote:
> The '400 times below' you talk about is that the findings were 400
> times below what labs are typically expected to be able to detect if
> they want to be certified.
40x, not 400x. UCI press release was wrong.
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TOPIC: How can you tell a bike rider is lying...?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b2d2c0f6833201a2?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 4:55 am
From: "derFahrer@gmail.com"
On Oct 1, 2:33 am, drmofe <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
> ...his lips are moving.
sorry, that does not even come close to the (low) bar set by this
group.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 8:59 am
From: "Steve Freides"
derFahrer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 1, 2:33 am, drmofe <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
>> ...his lips are moving.
>
> sorry, that does not even come close to the (low) bar set by this
> group.
It was a lawyer joke long before it was a bike rider joke.
-S-
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TOPIC: Good SI Article on the Contador Affair
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8bfa348585ba3894?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 4:58 am
From: RicodJour
On Oct 1, 2:17 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:927843e6-0394-47c9-8cf2-ba3841364ea2@a4g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/austin_murphy/09/30/alb...
>
> > sorry if this is a repost
>
> > Brad Anders
>
> Thanks, finally got around to reading it, didn't know about the test for
> "plasticizers" which looks pretty darned incriminating. Trouble is, it
> just kind of drops it on the doorstep without much explanation, saying
> that Contador's level was 10 times the "higher value" without saying
> what that means. Would these same type of bags be used for IV
> rehydration, which presumably is not banned?
Pretty much everybody has plastics in their bodies. Teflon, being a
name brand, for one. Next, the defense chemists will figure out
plausible explanations why AC is plastic-lined. Probably along the
lines of he doesn't first take the clear wrappers off his lollypops.
R
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 5:58 am
From: --D-y
On Oct 1, 1:17 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:927843e6-0394-47c9-8cf2-ba3841364ea2@a4g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/austin_murphy/09/30/alb...
>
> > sorry if this is a repost
>
> > Brad Anders
>
> Thanks, finally got around to reading it, didn't know about the test for
> "plasticizers" which looks pretty darned incriminating. Trouble is, it
> just kind of drops it on the doorstep without much explanation, saying
> that Contador's level was 10 times the "higher value" without saying
> what that means. Would these same type of bags be used for IV
> rehydration, which presumably is not banned?
Good catch on that.
Which raises the question of what was behind the push for disallowing
all "needles"-- if it wasn't a naive "let's make it 'natural', or less
unnatural, as seen with old Pound quotes, was there an understanding
that allowing IV rehydration would make it more difficult to show
blood bag use?
--D-y
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 7:32 am
From: BLafferty
On 10/1/2010 7:58 AM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Oct 1, 2:17 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky"<Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>> "Brad Anders"<pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:927843e6-0394-47c9-8cf2-ba3841364ea2@a4g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/austin_murphy/09/30/alb...
>>
>>> sorry if this is a repost
>>
>>> Brad Anders
>>
>> Thanks, finally got around to reading it, didn't know about the test for
>> "plasticizers" which looks pretty darned incriminating. Trouble is, it
>> just kind of drops it on the doorstep without much explanation, saying
>> that Contador's level was 10 times the "higher value" without saying
>> what that means. Would these same type of bags be used for IV
>> rehydration, which presumably is not banned?
>
> Pretty much everybody has plastics in their bodies. Teflon, being a
> name brand, for one. Next, the defense chemists will figure out
> plausible explanations why AC is plastic-lined. Probably along the
> lines of he doesn't first take the clear wrappers off his lollypops.
>
> R
The Teflon reduces drag in the ITT.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 7:57 am
From: "William R. Mattil"
On 10/1/2010 9:32 AM, BLafferty wrote:
> The Teflon reduces drag in the ITT.
Intestinal Time Trial ?
Bill
--
William R. Mattil
http://www.celestial-images.com
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 9:48 am
From: BLafferty
On 10/1/2010 10:57 AM, William R. Mattil wrote:
> On 10/1/2010 9:32 AM, BLafferty wrote:
>
>> The Teflon reduces drag in the ITT.
>
>
>
> Intestinal Time Trial ?
>
>
> Bill
All part of the supplemental propulsion system.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 9:53 am
From: Ben Trovato
On Sep 30, 7:43 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/austin_murphy/09/30/alb...
>
> sorry if this is a repost
>
> Brad Anders
The real story is AC's insult to the French cattle industry. If he's
allowed to participate next year, expect him to be dodging a shower of
entrecotes from outraged cattlemen. He should have just blamed the
positive on contaminated birdseed.
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TOPIC: Lag Time
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8887b3f82d9b4784?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 5:03 am
From: RicodJour
Anyone else getting a kick out of Barry Laffroid's lag time on
commenting on AC's current woes? If it were LANCE, Barry would have
schmuck-posted* within seconds of the announcement.
R
* Schmuck-posting is like drunk dialing, 'cepting the drunk has a
choice of whether or not to imbibe.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 7:57 am
From: LawBoy01
On Oct 1, 7:03 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> Anyone else getting a kick out of Barry Laffroid's lag time on
> commenting on AC's current woes? If it were LANCE, Barry would have
> schmuck-posted* within seconds of the announcement.
>
> R
>
> * Schmuck-posting is like drunk dialing, 'cepting the drunk has a
> choice of whether or not to imbibe.
Well, Anton mentioned that Lance and Alberto were teammates...That
ought to count for something <rolleyes>
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 8:01 am
From: RicodJour
On Oct 1, 10:57 am, LawBoy01 <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
> On Oct 1, 7:03 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyone else getting a kick out of Barry Laffroid's lag time on
> > commenting on AC's current woes? If it were LANCE, Barry would have
> > schmuck-posted* within seconds of the announcement.
>
>
> > * Schmuck-posting is like drunk dialing, 'cepting the drunk has a
> > choice of whether or not to imbibe.
>
> Well, Anton mentioned that Lance and Alberto were teammates...That
> ought to count for something <rolleyes>
Well, I guess then that it's a good thing that Kevin Bacon isn't a pro
rider (Quicksilver doesn't count). He's connected to everybody.
R
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TOPIC: Why not a shadow at a GT?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/643d029a54806970?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 9:40 am
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
Just curious, maybe it's already been done, why doesn't a team with a
"clean-or-die" agenda offer a skeptical media person the opportunity to
shadow and be a room-mate for all or part of a GT? From what I've read,
you're going to need more than one, maybe less than two hours for a
transfusion. It's not something you can easily hide from someone
shadowing you. Of course, if you're shadowing Andy & Stuart you'd have
to make sure you didn't get drunk under the table...
As yet there seem to be no magic pills that will do everything needed;
everything seems to require careful administration and time.
So who do you have David Walsh shadow? Or Paul Kimmage? :-)
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 11:26 am
From: Brad Anders
On Oct 1, 9:40 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> Just curious, maybe it's already been done, why doesn't a team with a
> "clean-or-die" agenda offer a skeptical media person the opportunity to
> shadow and be a room-mate for all or part of a GT?
Why not? Because if riders need 24-hour surveillance to assure they're
riding "fairly", then the sport is so corrupt that it should be shut
down. Which it should be.
Brad Anders
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TOPIC: Looks like Lim perjured himself today
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4ec5a58e9b036147?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 11:37 am
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"Anton Berlin" <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fc9abee7-2599-4001-be5c-a254c8317c2a@a19g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 30, 8:10 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 8:39 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I think you have it wrong Mike - Landis has no incentive to lie or
> > embellish. These guys do.
>
> No incentive...? Revenge does not have to be directed at someone that
> actually caused someone harm. They just have to feel wronged. Then
> they tell themselves that they are A-venging, and put on their Thor
> jammies when they go to bed.
>
> R
========
If you and Mike are right about Landis I hope the fucker sits right
next to Armstrong even then I think Landis has good counsel and has
been advised not to embellish or distort. And as a newly reformed
liar he's probably following that to the best of his ability.
Even if Landis pulls a long sentence on perjury - Armstrong will still
be a doper.
========
Have we all conveniently forgotten this little gem from the now-truthful
Floyd?
"As for his own positive test, Landis still maintains that result was
inaccurate and that he had not used synthetic testosterone during the 2006
season -- although he now admits he used human growth hormone during that
time. At this point, he said he does not want to dwell on any of the issues
he and his lawyers hammered at during his case."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5203604 on May 21st,
2010. After he "came clean" and reformed.
Simple question. Do you believe Floyd is telling the truth about not taking
testosterone during the TdF in the same way you feel Lance is lying about
riding clean?
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 1 2010 12:54 pm
From: RicodJour
On Oct 1, 2:37 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
> At this point, he said he does not want to dwell on any of the issues
> he and his lawyers hammered at during his case."
Gee, what a surprise.
R
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