Tuesday, October 12, 2010

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J Neuropathol Exp Neurol. 1999 Nov;58(11):1170-83.
Mutational profile of the PTEN gene in primary human astrocytic tumors
and cultivated xenografts.
Schmidt EE, Ichimura K, Goike HM, Moshref A, Liu L, Collins VP.
PMID: 10560660


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doi:10.1016/0003-9861(53)90050-2 | How to Cite or Link Using DOI
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In vitro conversion of carotene to vitamin A in alloxan diabetes*1, *2

a From the Department of Biochemistry, Jewish Hospital of Brooklyn, Brooklyn, New York, USA

b From the Department of Chemistry, Polytechnic Institute of Brooklyn, Brooklyn, New York, USA

Received 11 February 1953.  
Available online 30 November 2004. 

Abstract

Conversion of carotene to vitamin A in the isolated small intestine of alloxan-diabetic rats is markedly diminished as compared with non-diabetic littermates. This finding helps explain the low liver "A" stores of alloxan-diabetic rats fed carotene and further indicates that the intestine is a major carotene conversion site.

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*1 Presented in part before the Division of Biological Chemistry, American Chemical Society, 122nd National Meeting, Atlantic City, Sept. 15, 1952.*2 These studies were supported by Endo Products, Inc., and by the New York Diabetes Association.3 Taken in part from the thesis submitted to the Polytechnic Institute of Brooklyn in partial fulfilment of the requirements for the degree of Master of Science in Chemistry, June, 1952.

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* Branch returns - 4 messages, 4 authors
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* Was anybody surprised? - 5 messages, 4 authors
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* Ratbirds 38 - Donks 24 - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* Who goes first? - 8 messages, 6 authors
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* Chilean Miners & Baby Jessica McClure - 2 messages, 2 authors
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 11 2010 11:44 pm
From: Phil Duert's Encore Performance


On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:11:49 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
<raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:

>for a number 4.
>for once the rumours were right.

Congratulations (from a Seahawks fan). You snookered us _royally_ in
2006 by getting a first-round pick for him, thanks to our incompetent
then-GM (Tim Ruskell). Boston teams have a HISTORY of snookering
Seattle teams, thanks to our bumbling GM's, regardless of which
major-league sport we're talking about. And you've snookered us yet
again. Be merciful Massachusetts to your fellow Blue Staters! :)

-


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 4:19 am
From: MuahMan


On Oct 12, 2:44 am, Phil Duert's Encore Performance
<philduertisb...@tuttuttut.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:11:49 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
>
> <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >for a number 4.
> >for once the rumours were right.
>
> Congratulations (from a Seahawks fan). You snookered us _royally_ in
> 2006 by getting a first-round pick for him, thanks to our incompetent
> then-GM (Tim Ruskell). Boston teams have a HISTORY of snookering
> Seattle teams, thanks to our bumbling GM's, regardless of which
> major-league sport we're talking about. And you've snookered us yet
> again. Be merciful Massachusetts to your fellow Blue Staters! :)
>
> -

Thanks Seattle for Obama and the 13% unemployment in our state. At
least he got us out of Iraq and Afghanistan....... Oh wait.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 9:47 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"Phil Duert's Encore Performance" <philduertisback@tuttuttut.com> wrote in
message news:a708b6l91mo755qeclop267vkkuo1bpb21@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:11:49 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
> <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>for a number 4.
>>for once the rumours were right.
>
> Congratulations (from a Seahawks fan). You snookered us _royally_ in
> 2006 by getting a first-round pick for him, thanks to our incompetent
> then-GM (Tim Ruskell). Boston teams have a HISTORY of snookering
> Seattle teams, thanks to our bumbling GM's, regardless of which
> major-league sport we're talking about. And you've snookered us yet
> again. Be merciful Massachusetts to your fellow Blue Staters! :)
>
> -

BB was correct that Branch was a system player.
He got his payday but it cost him his legasy.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 5:21 pm
From: "MWB"

> He got his payday but it cost him his legasy.
>
>
>

Yes it did. He's the one player that left that I was upset about losing.

Brady and Branch were always on the same page.

I'm glad he's back.


GO PATRIOTS

Mark

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 9:49 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"


When Favre tossed the Pick-6 to end the game.
you just know everybody watching was waiting for it.
Brett is exciting and fun and I'm damn glad he's not on my team.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 11:20 am
From: Smithee


On Oct 12, 12:49 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> When Favre tossed the Pick-6 to end the game.
> you just know everybody watching was waiting for it.
> Brett is exciting and fun and I'm damn glad he's not on my team.

Didn't you listen to the announcers? He's apparently battling every
ailment known to mankind, and apparently crawled out of a wheelchair
and hospital bed to play. What a player... and he's having so much
FUN out there!!


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 12:45 pm
From: cloud dreamer


On 12/10/2010 2:19 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> When Favre tossed the Pick-6 to end the game.
> you just know everybody watching was waiting for it.
> Brett is exciting and fun and I'm damn glad he's not on my team.
>
>


Just watched it. Holy cow, the Vikings are bad. No discipline at all.
Guess that'll add a W to the Pats column.

<sigh> My last live game till Nov 7th. Hopefully, I can torrent the
games in China.

;]


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 7:47 pm
From: Wabenzi Prince


cloud dreamer wrote:
> On 12/10/2010 2:19 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
>> When Favre tossed the Pick-6 to end the game.
>> you just know everybody watching was waiting for it.
>> Brett is exciting and fun and I'm damn glad he's not on my team.
>>
>>
>
>
> Just watched it. Holy cow, the Vikings are bad. No discipline at all.
> Guess that'll add a W to the Pats column.
>
> <sigh> My last live game till Nov 7th. Hopefully, I can torrent the
> games in China.
>
> ;]
stay there


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 7:54 pm
From: cloud dreamer


On 13/10/2010 12:17 AM, Wabenzi Prince wrote:
> cloud dreamer wrote:
>> On 12/10/2010 2:19 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
>>> When Favre tossed the Pick-6 to end the game.
>>> you just know everybody watching was waiting for it.
>>> Brett is exciting and fun and I'm damn glad he's not on my team.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Just watched it. Holy cow, the Vikings are bad. No discipline at all.
>> Guess that'll add a W to the Pats column.
>>
>> <sigh> My last live game till Nov 7th. Hopefully, I can torrent the
>> games in China.
>>
>> ;]
> stay there


Oh, you're so witty. Keep it up. It says more about you than it can ever
say about me.

<plonk>

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 9:57 am
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 11:53 am
From: "Nunya Bidnits"

Drewl wrote:
>> I was rear-ended
>> by someone from Pennsylvania,

I didn't know Ben Roethlisberger was bi.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 12:47 pm
From: Cleatarrior


On 10/12/2010 11:53 AM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> Drewl wrote:
>>> I was rear-ended
>>> by someone from Pennsylvania,
>
> I didn't know Ben Roethlisberger was bi.
>
>

<sputter!>

No wonder they call him "big"..

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 10:03 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"


the Incompetent Singletary
or the dreadfully woeful Son-of-Bum.
or Chan not the man Gaily

I figure Phillips, Jerry Jones has been patient with him and it's not paying
off.
the Boys are regressing each season under Wade.


Singletary just looks lost.
but he has a solid rep as a man so I think he'll be allowed to finish the
season

Gaily is one of those guys like Phillips that inexplicably keeps getting
hired.
but they are used to suffering in Buffalo, so Chan probably lasts the Season
too.

you have to feel for the poor Buffaloons, even on a nice day it sucks to be
there and there are like 10 nice days there a year.
their "glory days" are the worst run of Super Bowl heartbreak ever and the
biggest star was Jim "Shot Glass' Kelly.
they seem to be nice people there so one wonders what Karma god did they
offend.


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 10:33 am
From: Michael


On Oct 12, 1:03 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> the Incompetent Singletary
> or the dreadfully woeful Son-of-Bum.
> or Chan not the man Gaily
>
> I figure Phillips, Jerry Jones has been patient with him and it's not paying
> off.
> the Boys are regressing each season under Wade.
>
> Singletary just looks lost.
> but he has a solid rep as a man so I think he'll be allowed to finish the
> season
>
> Gaily is one of those guys like Phillips that inexplicably keeps getting
> hired.
> but they are used to suffering in Buffalo, so Chan probably lasts the Season
> too.
>
> you have to feel for the poor Buffaloons, even on a nice day it sucks to be
> there and there are like 10 nice days there a year.
> their "glory days" are the worst run of Super Bowl heartbreak ever and the
> biggest star was Jim "Shot Glass' Kelly.
> they seem to be nice people there so one wonders what Karma god did they
> offend.

poor chan took over a disaster of a team with no qb. i dont think
chan is a winner, but he has not had time yet or given the resources
to prove out one way or the other. heck sake, the management there is
horrible and the ownership wont spend

wade... i feel bad for any cheff that cooks with a guy behind him
tossing in ingredaints that he does not want in there. the cowboys
problems have less to do with wade and more to do with how jones built
the roster.

singlerary... no way near time to fire him. his team has played hard
all the time and does not quit. they are a hair away from having
thee wins. they need a better qb and better play calling.

all three of those guys IMHO are sympathetic figures...

the bills ownership sucks
the cowboys ownership gets in the way
the 49'ers critics need to shut up and see how close they are to being
a good team.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 11:24 am
From: Smithee


On Oct 12, 1:03 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> the Incompetent Singletary
> or the dreadfully woeful Son-of-Bum.
> or Chan not the man Gaily
>
> I figure Phillips, Jerry Jones has been patient with him and it's not paying
> off.
> the Boys are regressing each season under Wade.
>
> Singletary just looks lost.
> but he has a solid rep as a man so I think he'll be allowed to finish the
> season
>
> Gaily is one of those guys like Phillips that inexplicably keeps getting
> hired.
> but they are used to suffering in Buffalo, so Chan probably lasts the Season
> too.
>
> you have to feel for the poor Buffaloons, even on a nice day it sucks to be
> there and there are like 10 nice days there a year.
> their "glory days" are the worst run of Super Bowl heartbreak ever and the
> biggest star was Jim "Shot Glass' Kelly.
> they seem to be nice people there so one wonders what Karma god did they
> offend.

Wade is gone. Jerry Jones was drooling over the possibility of
hosting a SuperBowl and this is most certainly NOT what he had in
mind.


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 11:29 am
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<fd558cc4-03e1-417d-86ab-2df0413b933f@l14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Oct 12, 1:03 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > the Incompetent Singletary
> > or the dreadfully woeful Son-of-Bum.
> > or Chan not the man Gaily
> >
> > I figure Phillips, Jerry Jones has been patient with him and it's not paying
> > off.
> > the Boys are regressing each season under Wade.
> >
> > Singletary just looks lost.
> > but he has a solid rep as a man so I think he'll be allowed to finish the
> > season
> >
> > Gaily is one of those guys like Phillips that inexplicably keeps getting
> > hired.
> > but they are used to suffering in Buffalo, so Chan probably lasts the Season
> > too.
> >
> > you have to feel for the poor Buffaloons, even on a nice day it sucks to be
> > there and there are like 10 nice days there a year.
> > their "glory days" are the worst run of Super Bowl heartbreak ever and the
> > biggest star was Jim "Shot Glass' Kelly.
> > they seem to be nice people there so one wonders what Karma god did they
> > offend.
>
> poor chan took over a disaster of a team with no qb. i dont think
> chan is a winner, but he has not had time yet or given the resources
> to prove out one way or the other. heck sake, the management there is
> horrible and the ownership wont spend
>
> wade... i feel bad for any cheff that cooks with a guy behind him
> tossing in ingredaints that he does not want in there. the cowboys
> problems have less to do with wade and more to do with how jones built
> the roster.
>
> singlerary... no way near time to fire him. his team has played hard
> all the time and does not quit. they are a hair away from having
> thee wins. they need a better qb and better play calling.
>
> all three of those guys IMHO are sympathetic figures...
>
> the bills ownership sucks
> the cowboys ownership gets in the way
> the 49'ers critics need to shut up and see how close they are to being
> a good team.

I thought I would disagree with Michael's post before I finished reading
it.

While I think hiring Gailey was indicative of the problem rather than a
victim of it (i.e., Bills ownership is cheap and s_cks), Michael is
right that no credible candidate takes this job with this owner.

And I have always thought Wade was incompetent. But Bill P leaving after
Jones force fed TO down his throat and was proven to be a disruptive
force that hurt the team, proves that Owner interference might have
hobbled even the most competent coach.

And, I agree that Singletary gets the season, because he has turned the
49ers into a credible team that should win and his key mistake was
choice of Qbs.

harlan


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 12:16 pm
From: IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net>


Harlan Lachman wrote:
> In article
> <fd558cc4-03e1-417d-86ab-2df0413b933f@l14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 12, 1:03 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> the Incompetent Singletary
>>> or the dreadfully woeful Son-of-Bum.
>>> or Chan not the man Gaily
>>>
>>> I figure Phillips, Jerry Jones has been patient with him and it's not paying
>>> off.
>>> the Boys are regressing each season under Wade.
>>>
>>> Singletary just looks lost.
>>> but he has a solid rep as a man so I think he'll be allowed to finish the
>>> season
>>>
>>> Gaily is one of those guys like Phillips that inexplicably keeps getting
>>> hired.
>>> but they are used to suffering in Buffalo, so Chan probably lasts the Season
>>> too.
>>>
>>> you have to feel for the poor Buffaloons, even on a nice day it sucks to be
>>> there and there are like 10 nice days there a year.
>>> their "glory days" are the worst run of Super Bowl heartbreak ever and the
>>> biggest star was Jim "Shot Glass' Kelly.
>>> they seem to be nice people there so one wonders what Karma god did they
>>> offend.
>> poor chan took over a disaster of a team with no qb. i dont think
>> chan is a winner, but he has not had time yet or given the resources
>> to prove out one way or the other. heck sake, the management there is
>> horrible and the ownership wont spend
>>
>> wade... i feel bad for any cheff that cooks with a guy behind him
>> tossing in ingredaints that he does not want in there. the cowboys
>> problems have less to do with wade and more to do with how jones built
>> the roster.
>>
>> singlerary... no way near time to fire him. his team has played hard
>> all the time and does not quit. they are a hair away from having
>> thee wins. they need a better qb and better play calling.
>>
>> all three of those guys IMHO are sympathetic figures...
>>
>> the bills ownership sucks
>> the cowboys ownership gets in the way
>> the 49'ers critics need to shut up and see how close they are to being
>> a good team.
>
> I thought I would disagree with Michael's post before I finished reading
> it.
>
> While I think hiring Gailey was indicative of the problem rather than a
> victim of it (i.e., Bills ownership is cheap and s_cks), Michael is
> right that no credible candidate takes this job with this owner.

I can't wish for someone to die, but I wish 'ol Ralph Wilson would just
retire and wash his hand of the Bills so there can be some direction for
that team. He an Al Davis should go get a shared room at some nursing
home. It seems like everything is in limbo until he does one or the
other. Once Ralph is out of the picture, maybe the team will get a
competent owner who a decent HC would be willing to work for, or that
the team moves, or just something. This is a Jets forum, but I'm sure
it'd be in the best interest of even the Jets in terms of home ticket
sales, to have a stronger divisional Bills team. It'd be a bit easier
to fill up a Jets home game in Jan with 5 deg temps to watch a decent
divisional game than to watch the Jets scrimmage against the upstate NY
high school jr. varsity team the Bills are putting out as a viable
product now.


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 12:47 pm
From: John C TX


On Oct 12, 2:16 pm, IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net> wrote:
> Harlan Lachman wrote:
> > In article
> > <fd558cc4-03e1-417d-86ab-2df0413b9...@l14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> >  Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Oct 12, 1:03 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> the Incompetent Singletary
> >>> or the dreadfully woeful Son-of-Bum.
> >>> or Chan not the man Gaily
>
> >>> I figure Phillips, Jerry Jones has been patient with him and it's not paying
> >>> off.
> >>> the Boys are regressing each season under Wade.
>
> >>> Singletary just looks lost.
> >>> but he has a solid rep as a man so I think he'll be allowed to finish the
> >>> season
>
> >>> Gaily is one of those guys like Phillips that inexplicably keeps getting
> >>> hired.
> >>> but they are used to suffering in Buffalo, so Chan probably lasts the Season
> >>> too.
>
> >>> you have to feel for the poor Buffaloons, even on a nice day it sucks to be
> >>> there and there are like 10 nice days there a year.
> >>> their "glory days" are the worst run of Super Bowl heartbreak ever and the
> >>> biggest star was Jim "Shot Glass' Kelly.
> >>> they seem to be nice people there so one wonders what Karma god did they
> >>> offend.
> >> poor chan took over a disaster of a team with no qb.  i dont think
> >> chan is a winner, but he has not had time yet or given the resources
> >> to prove out one way or the other.  heck sake, the management there is
> >> horrible and the ownership wont spend
>
> >> wade... i feel bad for any cheff that cooks with a guy behind him
> >> tossing in ingredaints that he does not want in there.  the cowboys
> >> problems have less to do with wade and more to do with how jones built
> >> the roster.
>
> >> singlerary... no way near time to fire him.  his team has played hard
> >> all the time and does not quit.   they are a hair away from having
> >> thee wins. they need a better qb and better play calling.
>
> >> all three of those guys IMHO are sympathetic figures...
>
> >> the bills ownership sucks
> >> the cowboys ownership gets in the way
> >> the 49'ers critics need to shut up and see how close they are to being
> >> a good team.
>
> > I thought I would disagree with Michael's post before I finished reading
> > it.
>
> > While I think hiring Gailey was indicative of the problem rather than a
> > victim of it (i.e., Bills ownership is cheap and s_cks), Michael is
> > right that no credible candidate takes this job with this owner.
>
> I can't wish for someone to die, but I wish 'ol Ralph Wilson would just
> retire and wash his hand of the Bills so there can be some direction for
> that team.  He an Al Davis should go get a shared room at some nursing
> home.  It seems like everything is in limbo until he does one or the
> other.  Once Ralph is out of the picture, maybe the team will get a
> competent owner who a decent HC would be willing to work for, or that
> the team moves, or just something.  This is a Jets forum, but I'm sure
> it'd be in the best interest of even the Jets in terms of home ticket
> sales, to have a stronger divisional Bills team.  It'd be a bit easier
> to fill up a Jets home game in Jan with 5 deg temps to watch a decent
> divisional game than to watch the Jets scrimmage against the upstate NY
> high school jr. varsity team the Bills are putting out as a viable
> product now.

Until the old man retires or passes away -- the rumors of his estate
planning, or lack of the same make it critical it happens this year on
keeping it in Buffalo-- they will have to hit a home run with a young
coach or someone desperate for a shot at GM & coach.

Phillips is toast. The Bob Stoops rumors will start again.

Singeltary may get one more year.


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 1:40 pm
From: Michael


On Oct 12, 2:29 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <fd558cc4-03e1-417d-86ab-2df0413b9...@l14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Oct 12, 1:03 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > the Incompetent Singletary
> > > or the dreadfully woeful Son-of-Bum.
> > > or Chan not the man Gaily
>
> > > I figure Phillips, Jerry Jones has been patient with him and it's not paying
> > > off.
> > > the Boys are regressing each season under Wade.
>
> > > Singletary just looks lost.
> > > but he has a solid rep as a man so I think he'll be allowed to finish the
> > > season
>
> > > Gaily is one of those guys like Phillips that inexplicably keeps getting
> > > hired.
> > > but they are used to suffering in Buffalo, so Chan probably lasts the Season
> > > too.
>
> > > you have to feel for the poor Buffaloons, even on a nice day it sucks to be
> > > there and there are like 10 nice days there a year.
> > > their "glory days" are the worst run of Super Bowl heartbreak ever and the
> > > biggest star was Jim "Shot Glass' Kelly.
> > > they seem to be nice people there so one wonders what Karma god did they
> > > offend.
>
> > poor chan took over a disaster of a team with no qb.  i dont think
> > chan is a winner, but he has not had time yet or given the resources
> > to prove out one way or the other.  heck sake, the management there is
> > horrible and the ownership wont spend
>
> > wade... i feel bad for any cheff that cooks with a guy behind him
> > tossing in ingredaints that he does not want in there.  the cowboys
> > problems have less to do with wade and more to do with how jones built
> > the roster.
>
> > singlerary... no way near time to fire him.  his team has played hard
> > all the time and does not quit.   they are a hair away from having
> > thee wins. they need a better qb and better play calling.
>
> > all three of those guys IMHO are sympathetic figures...
>
> > the bills ownership sucks
> > the cowboys ownership gets in the way
> > the 49'ers critics need to shut up and see how close they are to being
> > a good team.
>
> I thought I would disagree with Michael's post before I finished reading
> it.

since you are right about 50 % of the time, you have the clout to
consider my commentary to be toilet paper before you read it :-)

another bit to add... im actually dissapointed that the bills dont
have a good team. i'd take another good quality div rival over a walk-
over any day of the week. i want entertainment, not blow-outs...
winning without contest is as fun as pissing on cardboard.


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 2:25 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article
<3243d4d3-121c-41f7-a4c7-eb6609e797fc@g17g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
Smithee <ssmith2010@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 12, 1:03 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > the Incompetent Singletary
> > or the dreadfully woeful Son-of-Bum.
> > or Chan not the man Gaily
> >
> > I figure Phillips, Jerry Jones has been patient with him and it's not paying
> > off.
> > the Boys are regressing each season under Wade.
> >
> > Singletary just looks lost.
> > but he has a solid rep as a man so I think he'll be allowed to finish the
> > season
> >
> > Gaily is one of those guys like Phillips that inexplicably keeps getting
> > hired.
> > but they are used to suffering in Buffalo, so Chan probably lasts the Season
> > too.
> >
> > you have to feel for the poor Buffaloons, even on a nice day it sucks to be
> > there and there are like 10 nice days there a year.
> > their "glory days" are the worst run of Super Bowl heartbreak ever and the
> > biggest star was Jim "Shot Glass' Kelly.
> > they seem to be nice people there so one wonders what Karma god did they
> > offend.
>
> Wade is gone. Jerry Jones was drooling over the possibility of
> hosting a SuperBowl and this is most certainly NOT what he had in
> mind.

For some, disappointment is an important learning experience. For
others, it is continued unwarranted punishment by the Fates. But for
folks like Jerry Jones, it is the poetic justice that equals the joy of
a sunny, warm day; a nice easy steady wind on a fast sailboat; first
tracks on a nice ski day in just the right amount of new snow; or the
first thought that a potential partner is going to say or do "Yes."

Could not happen to a more appropriate person.

harlan

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 11:40 am
From: Not Sure


On Oct 12, 11:07 am, "Barb May" <barb...@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
> cloud dreamer wrote:
> > On 12/10/2010 10:02 AM, AuntyPalin wrote:
> >> All the coverage about those miners reminds me of when Baby Jessica
> >> McClure was finally rescued from that well in Texas.  Every single TV
> >> channel was pasted on that event.
>
> >> Did the now Mrs Morales appear on any media in relation to current
> >> events?  How funny if she was hired as an on the scene reporter in
> >> Chile.
>
> >> I'm curious if they sent down any music, alcohol, smokes, porno,
> >> additional self-powered lighting?  (To the miners, not baby Jess)
> >> I assume everyone will thoroughly baby wipe themselves before coming
> >> up?  (Oh dear, I just realized the poor baby Jess definitely shat
> >> herself - 58 hours!  Peee-yoouh)
>
> >> I figure they get back pay.  What about overtime?  And where did they
> >> poop and pee?'
>
> > They're getting nothing except a pink slip when they get to the
> > surface. The company was forced into bankruptcy.
>
> Sadly, that shouldn't surprise anyone.

Why are you responding to yourself, clouddipshit? :)

> --
> Barb
>
> wingnut45...@hotmail.invalid is actually
> the infamous USENET  troll Kenneth R Pangborn
> Read the Pangborn FAQ at:http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 3:40 pm
From: trotsky


On 10/12/10 1:40 PM, Not Straight wrote:
> On Oct 12, 11:07 am, "Barb May"<barb...@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>> cloud dreamer wrote:
>>> On 12/10/2010 10:02 AM, AuntyPalin wrote:
>>>> All the coverage about those miners reminds me of when Baby Jessica
>>>> McClure was finally rescued from that well in Texas. Every single TV
>>>> channel was pasted on that event.
>>
>>>> Did the now Mrs Morales appear on any media in relation to current
>>>> events? How funny if she was hired as an on the scene reporter in
>>>> Chile.
>>
>>>> I'm curious if they sent down any music, alcohol, smokes, porno,
>>>> additional self-powered lighting? (To the miners, not baby Jess)
>>>> I assume everyone will thoroughly baby wipe themselves before coming
>>>> up? (Oh dear, I just realized the poor baby Jess definitely shat
>>>> herself - 58 hours! Peee-yoouh)
>>
>>>> I figure they get back pay. What about overtime? And where did they
>>>> poop and pee?'
>>
>>> They're getting nothing except a pink slip when they get to the
>>> surface. The company was forced into bankruptcy.
>>
>> Sadly, that shouldn't surprise anyone.
>
> Why are you responding to yourself, clouddipshit? :)


Which anonyshit is asking?

LOL!

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TOPIC: If The First Rescued Chilean Miner...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 7:51 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


...comes out and sees his shadow there will be six more months of
summer!!!

mr dude


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 7:54 pm
From: Wabenzi Prince


mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu wrote:
> ...comes out and sees his shadow there will be six more months of
> summer!!!
>
> mr dude
dat fo real muddafukka?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 7:53 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


On Oct 11, 11:47 pm, "Dr. Winston O'Boogie" <quarryme...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Still as sharp as a bowling ball, I see.

Why do you hate bowling???

Bowling is a popular pastime of Americans!!!

Theretofore you hate America!!!!!

mr dude (hates Commies!!!)

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* Sanchez: the much better and the not so much better. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3b9dd61b7e75f1f7?hl=en
* Shot gets away with murder - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/18be11173e7051f4?hl=en
* Live by the blitz, die by the blitz. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/51f4fcabbfab9030?hl=en
* Maybe next week.... - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/302151362fcba01e?hl=en
* Play of the game? - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c8d77d315204c3bd?hl=en
* A few things... & g'nite... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ea67c67e5abcc01d?hl=en
* Tick Tock.... - 2 messages, 1 author
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* Game Ball to Weatherford - 1 messages, 1 author
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* My Plead To All: Save Our Country: Vote Republican On November 2nd! - 2
messages, 2 authors
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* Parenting 101 - - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Kudos to the Jets Crowd - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* jets-vikes... a few thoughts... - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* A humble request of the regs here... - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Minnesota Vikings confront Brett Favre in shower - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Sanchez: the much better and the not so much better.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 3:26 pm
From: Grinch


Sanchez, huge obvious improvement: 0 picks in 147 attempts. If he
doesn't throw any over the rest of the year the Jetsies will be in
contention for the big prize all the way. Heck, he doesn't even have
to throw 0, just be among the half-dozen or so QBs who throw the
fewest.

Not so much improvement: Sanchez's completion percentage of 55% is
29th in the league, and his average yards per attempt of 6.1 is tied
for 28th-30th, both about the same as last year.

That's how one gets only 1 TD and 5 FGs in six scoring opportunities.

(And anybody who says "It's Schott's fault!" had better say the 0.00%
interception rate is Schott's fault too.)

It looks like Rex and Schott have well-taught the kid football rule
#1: Don't Beat Yourself.
Now he has to learn #2: How To Beat The Other Guy

But that's definite progress.

FWIW, Footballoutsiders' take on Sanchez after last night's game:
~~~~
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2010/week-5-quick-reads

Sanchez threw an interception every 18.2 attempts last season. That
was always going to improve this year, but he's now gone 147 attempts
without a single interception, which would be remarkable even if
Sanchez was a particularly accurate quarterback.

Not much else has changed -- he's completing 55.1 percent of his
passes after hitting 53.8 percent of them a year ago, and his yards
per attempt have gone from 6.7 a year ago to 6.1 this year. He's
throwing touchdowns once every 18 attempts as opposed to once every
30. His sack rate's improved from 6.7 percent to 4.7 percent. He's a
little better across the board, but the big change amounts to
interception luck. While he got some bounces in his favor (as well as
some drops from his teammates) on Monday night, the picks are coming.
He won't throw 20 or anything, but they're on their way.

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TOPIC: Shot gets away with murder
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 3:28 pm
From: Tutor


On Oct 12, 2:48 am, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>     Seems like every damn week, he screws up something big time. Tell me why
> he has Sanchez throwing 44 times, in the wind & rain, when they're running
> all over the place, especially in the 1st half? LT for 12, LT for 10, LT for
> 15. If LT Gets stopped once for 2, it means 3 straight passes, instead of
> going back to the run. There is simply NO EXCUSE for clock issues like what
> happened in this game.  3 stuffed runs for zero is better than taking a
> chance on incomplete passes. They go over this stuff a million times.
>
> --
>
> www.myconeyislandmemories.com

"consider the points made by this long time Jets fan, one whose
opinion is fairly well respected on the board to which he posts (I
tend to agree with him here):

I felt going into this season the Jets had a chance to be very good if
one thing happened, Sanchez became a good QB who could be more than a
game manager for a lethal running attack.

This is the first year that Shotty has had any QB not be in a QB comp
in preseason. It's the first time he had any returning QB ever with
the starting job before TC. It's also the first time he has had
substantial weapons together in TC.

Sanchez right now is ahead of every QB in his draft class and probably
ahead of every QB drafted in the last 5 years with the possible
exception of Matt Ryan. Think coaching had anything to do with it.
Think Rivers and Brees might be elite because they were around this
guy?

This team for 4 straight weeks has run a balanced O, moved the ball,
scored points and has been an outright nightmare for teams to defend.
There is no film that is going to allow a team to take away our O
because of it's balance and unpredictability.

You can nitpick about specific plays in specific spots but to say he
isn't a good OC is absurd.

4 weeks against pretty good competition our O has scored points, moved
the ball and been very desciplined as far as penalties and turnovers.
We have mixed it up, opened up both the long and short passing games,
play action, trap blocking on the run, the stretch play. This team is
a nightmare to defend. That is the sign of a very good OC."

and this one (with which I also agree):

The thing about Schotty (for me) is not his system for the most part,
it's the play-calling. There are times during a game where it's almost
palpable that certain phases of the playbook are being forced. At
other times there is a general lack of flow. (to BuRf's point from
many prior posts)

Now, I have to admit that I am seeing this a lot less this season, so
I can only presume there is a maturation process going on with Schotty
as a playcaller coupled with Sanchez' development as a second-year QB
in the same system.

All of that said, I am in favor of continuity, and Rex is as well.
Sanchez' development is paramount to everything else, short of the
system he is learning being detrimental to said development, which
Schotty's system isn't. Sure, keeping the OC here made things easier
on the defensive-minded coach, but ultimately I think it came down to
continuity, and later, development of a young franchise QB.

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TOPIC: Live by the blitz, die by the blitz.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 3:47 pm
From: Grinch


But let's not commit suicide by it.

Last night the Jets D was shutting out and totally dominating Minny
well into the second half until trying two big blitzes on 3rd and long
that blew up into one-play TDs, putting Minny right back into the game
and what until then looked like a gimme win at risk.

3rd and 17: TD! 3rd and 19: TD!

I love Rex's big blitzing schemes, he does it better than anybody I've
ever seen, and it improved the quality of the D last season by the
most I've ever seen a D improve in one year.

But somebody tell him that it *is* permissible on 3rd and 17+ when the
clock is on your side to occasionally play contain.

(Especially when the alternative is leaving Moss in single coverage on
a fly pattern.)


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TOPIC: Maybe next week....
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 3:54 pm
From: Tutor


On Oct 12, 2:14 pm, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your blowhard team can kick 7 field goals.
>
> Probably still won't be enough to beat a team with a QB that isn't
> collecting Social Security.
>
> Worst 4-1 team I've ever seen!
>
> Tick Tock, the implosion is coming and all you can do is wipe your fat
> assed, crybaby coaches tears!
>
> BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!
>
> See you bitches at 4-4.

4-4? you'll see us for our 9th game? That would make you a Cleveland
Browns fan! OMG, we love you and your coach... it was he who swapped
1st round positions with the Jets to give us Sanchez for Kenyon
Coleman, Abram Elam, Brett Ratliff, and the Jets 2nd rounder! How'd
that work out for Cleveland? Thank you, thank you, thank you. Troll
all you want, my poor friend. Although I do find it interesting that
the fan of arguably the worst NFL franchise in the last 4 decades
would be trolling anywhere, but for all that mangini and the Cleveland
Browns have done to improve the Jets franchise at its own expense, I
thank you..


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 4:59 pm
From: Drumrboy


On Oct 12, 6:54 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 2:14 pm, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Your blowhard team can kick 7 field goals.
>
> > Probably still won't be enough to beat a team with a QB that isn't
> > collecting Social Security.
>
> > Worst 4-1 team I've ever seen!
>
> > Tick Tock, the implosion is coming and all you can do is wipe your fat
> > assed, crybaby coaches tears!
>
> > BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!
>
> > See you bitches at 4-4.
>
> 4-4?  you'll see us for our 9th game?  That would make you a Cleveland
> Browns fan!  OMG, we love you and your coach... it was he who swapped
> 1st round positions with the Jets to give us Sanchez for Kenyon
> Coleman, Abram Elam, Brett Ratliff, and the Jets 2nd rounder!  How'd
> that work out for Cleveland?  Thank you, thank you, thank you.  Troll
> all you want, my poor friend.  Although I do find it interesting that
> the fan of arguably the worst NFL franchise in the last 4 decades
> would be trolling anywhere, but for all that mangini and the Cleveland
> Browns have done to improve the Jets franchise at its own expense, I
> thank you..

Moron.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 5:49 pm
From: BicketyBam


Drumrboy <joecsn257@gmail.com> wrote in news:0234d4bc-ea13-423b-823b-
6bdb277aa09b@l8g2000yql.googlegroups.com:

> On Oct 12, 6:54 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 12, 2:14 pm, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Your blowhard team can kick 7 field goals.
>>
>> > Probably still won't be enough to beat a team with a QB that isn't
>> > collecting Social Security.
>>
>> > Worst 4-1 team I've ever seen!
>>
>> > Tick Tock, the implosion is coming and all you can do is wipe your fat
>> > assed, crybaby coaches tears!
>>
>> > BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!
>>
>> > See you bitches at 4-4.
>>
>> 4-4?  you'll see us for our 9th game?  That would make you a Clevelan
> d
>> Browns fan!  OMG, we love you and your coach... it was he who swapped
>> 1st round positions with the Jets to give us Sanchez for Kenyon
>> Coleman, Abram Elam, Brett Ratliff, and the Jets 2nd rounder!  How'd
>> that work out for Cleveland?  Thank you, thank you, thank you.  Troll
>> all you want, my poor friend.  Although I do find it interesting that
>> the fan of arguably the worst NFL franchise in the last 4 decades
>> would be trolling anywhere, but for all that mangini and the Cleveland
>> Browns have done to improve the Jets franchise at its own expense, I
>> thank you..
>
> Moron.
>

Ha ha! A fucking Browns fan talking shit. Too funny. Good luck this week.
If you can throw a football, you might want to contact Mangini.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 6:16 pm
From: Drumrboy


On Oct 12, 8:49 pm, BicketyBam <Blo...@joemama.net> wrote:
> Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote in news:0234d4bc-ea13-423b-823b-
> 6bdb277aa...@l8g2000yql.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 6:54 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Oct 12, 2:14 pm, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Your blowhard team can kick 7 field goals.
>
> >> > Probably still won't be enough to beat a team with a QB that isn't
> >> > collecting Social Security.
>
> >> > Worst 4-1 team I've ever seen!
>
> >> > Tick Tock, the implosion is coming and all you can do is wipe your fat
> >> > assed, crybaby coaches tears!
>
> >> > BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!
>
> >> > See you bitches at 4-4.
>
> >> 4-4?  you'll see us for our 9th game?  That would make you a Clevelan
> > d
> >> Browns fan!  OMG, we love you and your coach... it was he who swapped
> >> 1st round positions with the Jets to give us Sanchez for Kenyon
> >> Coleman, Abram Elam, Brett Ratliff, and the Jets 2nd rounder!  How'd
> >> that work out for Cleveland?  Thank you, thank you, thank you.  Troll
> >> all you want, my poor friend.  Although I do find it interesting that
> >> the fan of arguably the worst NFL franchise in the last 4 decades
> >> would be trolling anywhere, but for all that mangini and the Cleveland
> >> Browns have done to improve the Jets franchise at its own expense, I
> >> thank you..
>
> > Moron.
>
> Ha ha! A fucking Browns fan talking shit. Too funny. Good luck this week.
> If you can throw a football, you might want to contact Mangini.

Moron...

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 3:56 pm
From: Grinch


"Last night Minnesota opened with a reverse pass from Randy Moss to
Brett Favre, gaining 9 yards but overturned by a penalty -- as drawn
up, the play was illegal.

"Set aside that the Vikings have 26 coaches yet none of them knew, or
bothered to check, the rule governing passing back to the quarterback.
(The rule quirk is that to be an eligible receiver, a quarterback must
line up at least 1 yard off the line of scrimmage; Favre lined up
under center.)

"What was the point of having Moss throw a rinky-dink short pass to
Favre, who is 41 years old and must stay uninjured for the Vikings to
post a big season?..."

TMQ gives his opinion of what "the point" was:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/101012_tuesday_morning_quarterback

Be that as it may, it says something about somebody: The coaching
staff of 26 (literally) spends a week or more drawing up a special
trick play to open a MNF game, and the play as they design it is
illegal.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 4:51 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:745501df-5aab-4277-877f-d6ee08748e9e@d17g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> "Last night Minnesota opened with a reverse pass from Randy Moss to
> Brett Favre, gaining 9 yards but overturned by a penalty -- as drawn
> up, the play was illegal.
>
> "Set aside that the Vikings have 26 coaches yet none of them knew, or
> bothered to check, the rule governing passing back to the quarterback.
> (The rule quirk is that to be an eligible receiver, a quarterback must
> line up at least 1 yard off the line of scrimmage; Favre lined up
> under center.)
>
> "What was the point of having Moss throw a rinky-dink short pass to
> Favre, who is 41 years old and must stay uninjured for the Vikings to
> post a big season?..."
>
> TMQ gives his opinion of what "the point" was:
> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/101012_tuesday_morning_quarterback
>
> Be that as it may, it says something about somebody: The coaching
> staff of 26 (literally) spends a week or more drawing up a special
> trick play to open a MNF game, and the play as they design it is
> illegal.


Well....I do think it was a stupid play and idea. But you can make a good
argument that if the ball is the line of scrimage, then being behind a 6'5"
300 pound man is about a yard off of it. The play is legal in college and
high school. The penalty that called the play back was a lineman down
field, not Brett not being a yard back. The actual play has been around a
long, long time and is no big deal at other levels of the game. I do
believe the only accurate issue reported was probably the reason they
attempted it, also the timing thinking that the Jets would not respond to it
at all. As for the allignment, he is off the line of scrimage...if he were
not then every formation would be illegal...that analysis does not wash. I
love it when these guys who only think they understand the game because they
have watched it for a few years come up with this stuff. Stupid
play...absolutely, illegal as drawn up, it was not.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 5:59 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:56:36 -0700 (PDT), Grinch <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote:

>"Last night Minnesota opened with a reverse pass from Randy Moss to
>Brett Favre, gaining 9 yards but overturned by a penalty -- as drawn
>up, the play was illegal.
>
>"Set aside that the Vikings have 26 coaches yet none of them knew, or
>bothered to check, the rule governing passing back to the quarterback.
>(The rule quirk is that to be an eligible receiver, a quarterback must
>line up at least 1 yard off the line of scrimmage; Favre lined up
>under center.)
>
>"What was the point of having Moss throw a rinky-dink short pass to
>Favre, who is 41 years old and must stay uninjured for the Vikings to
>post a big season?..."
>
>TMQ gives his opinion of what "the point" was:
>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/101012_tuesday_morning_quarterback
>
>Be that as it may, it says something about somebody: The coaching
>staff of 26 (literally) spends a week or more drawing up a special
>trick play to open a MNF game, and the play as they design it is
>illegal.


Weren't they flagged for a player downfield, not an ineligible receiver?


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 6:00 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:51:18 -0400, "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:745501df-5aab-4277-877f-d6ee08748e9e@d17g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>> "Last night Minnesota opened with a reverse pass from Randy Moss to
>> Brett Favre, gaining 9 yards but overturned by a penalty -- as drawn
>> up, the play was illegal.
>>
>> "Set aside that the Vikings have 26 coaches yet none of them knew, or
>> bothered to check, the rule governing passing back to the quarterback.
>> (The rule quirk is that to be an eligible receiver, a quarterback must
>> line up at least 1 yard off the line of scrimmage; Favre lined up
>> under center.)
>>
>> "What was the point of having Moss throw a rinky-dink short pass to
>> Favre, who is 41 years old and must stay uninjured for the Vikings to
>> post a big season?..."
>>
>> TMQ gives his opinion of what "the point" was:
>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/101012_tuesday_morning_quarterback
>>
>> Be that as it may, it says something about somebody: The coaching
>> staff of 26 (literally) spends a week or more drawing up a special
>> trick play to open a MNF game, and the play as they design it is
>> illegal.
>
>
>Well....I do think it was a stupid play and idea. But you can make a good
>argument that if the ball is the line of scrimage, then being behind a 6'5"
>300 pound man is about a yard off of it. The play is legal in college and
>high school. The penalty that called the play back was a lineman down
>field, not Brett not being a yard back. The actual play has been around a
>long, long time and is no big deal at other levels of the game. I do
>believe the only accurate issue reported was probably the reason they
>attempted it, also the timing thinking that the Jets would not respond to it
>at all. As for the allignment, he is off the line of scrimage...if he were
>not then every formation would be illegal...that analysis does not wash. I
>love it when these guys who only think they understand the game because they
>have watched it for a few years come up with this stuff. Stupid
>play...absolutely, illegal as drawn up, it was not.
>

Yeah, I was wondering about this, since I remembered it as player downfield.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 4:37 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-4E5CA0.17321612102010@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <zL6dnS3noKQKKCnRnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "papa.carl44" <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>> "Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>> news:harlan-9E4971.10494112102010@news60.forteinc.com...
>> > In article <9of8b69qtn45fot6qo47ge7177lfbrkrn0@4ax.com>,
>> > buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 06:35:26 -0400, "papa.carl44"
>> >> <papadotcarl@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:8bp7b6dnmhmhcrcdeokhnd3ped41flakqe@4ax.com...
>> >> >> I'd love to think this could be a championship year, but we have no
>> >> >> pass
>> >> >> rush.
>> >> >> No matter how much blitzing we do, a good QB can pick us apart in
>> >> >> crunch
>> >> >> time.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It'll take Revis 'til after the bye, to look like Revis. He was
>> >> >> slow
>> >> >> &
>> >> >> beaten a ton
>> >> >> tonight. I love Leonard, but he's terrible in coverage.
>> >> >> So, we need at least one stud on the DL.
>> >> >> Never thought I'd say this, but I hope Coleman's injury isn't
>> >> >> serious
>> >> >> ;)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Our OL was amazing in protection tonight. Would've liked to see
>> >> >> more
>> >> >> Shonn.
>> >> >> And we need a red zone offense.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Happy we won, but shouldn't have been this close.
>> >> >
>> >> >First down for Schott is a give away.....absolutely no plan, scheme
>> >> >or
>> >> >ideas. I liked a lot of individual plays, but it doesn't have any
>> >> >flow
>> >> >to
>> >> >it. One successful play doesn't produce something else that should
>> >> >work
>> >> >and
>> >> >when something is a bust he just seems to want to come back to it
>> >> >hoping
>> >> >it
>> >> >will work next time.....that doesn't happen unless you make it happen
>> >> >by
>> >> >the
>> >> >plays called inbetween. The O line was getting it done in this game
>> >> >and
>> >> >they had stuff open in the middle coming out of a "bunch" formation
>> >> >or
>> >> >with
>> >> >the motion stuff, and he backs out of that too. I also think Rex
>> >> >gambles
>> >> >too much, it worked for him in the end in this game, but will kill
>> >> >them
>> >> >at
>> >> >some critical point. The Hell with Revis...Cromartie is the Island.
>> >> >Revis
>> >> >had better start earning some of that money.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> The flow issue with Schott, probably won't go away until he does.
>> >> So, here's to a solid offense this year, and his ticket to a
>> >> head-coaching
>> >> gig.
>> >> I'm not so sure that some of the gambles, just aren't necessity, since
>> >> we
>> >> really have no
>> >> pass rush, without the blitzing (I assume that's what you're speaking
>> >> of).
>> >>
>> >> As for Revis, I thought it was a mistake to play him last night. I
>> >> always
>> >> figured it
>> >> would make more sense, to rest him 'til after the bye. I doubt he'll
>> >> play
>> >> next week, as
>> >> he looked terrible, & said after the game that it was hurting him
>> >> after
>> >> the
>> >> 1st quarter.
>> >> This seems to be a problem Rex has. He played Revis in the Pats game,
>> >> after
>> >> he initially
>> >> injured himself... a dumb move. He left it up to Revis to make the
>> >> decision
>> >> to play last
>> >> night... another dumb move. Of course, it could be that the Jets
>> >> medical
>> >> staff are giving
>> >> him bad advice. But, he knows the risks of hammy injuries, & how they
>> >> can
>> >> become chronic
>> >> unless rested. At this point, instead of Revis being fully healed for
>> >> after
>> >> the bye, the
>> >> aggravation of the injury, last night, might make Revis' injury a
>> >> season-long
>> >> thing.
>> >
>> > Burf, I disagree with this too. Would you have rather seen Lowery all
>> > game? Pace and Revis did not look like the defenders they were before
>> > their absences. Both will either get better or they won't. But the more
>> > they play, the greater the likelihood they may get it back.
>> >
>> > While Lowery made a great play on the pick six, he remains a little too
>> > Erik Smith slow in the backfield. Drew got banged up.
>> >
>> > We were lucky Revis could go and would have been luckier if Brodney had
>> > been in position on the Harvin TD.
>> >
>> > harlan
>>
>> So how lucky are they going to be when Revis can't play down the road?
>> If
>> he reaggravated it significantly it will be with him all season and he
>> will
>> never play well.
>
> Papa, I have never had a hamstring. I have had ankle problems and to
> some extent think the issues are similar in one respect: There is no
> assurance that rest will avoid reoccurrence, that other than prolonged
> hiatus (six months), the player will fully recuperate without symptoms,
> including those caused by an overall loss of fitness during inaction; or
> that there is a way to know how long a rest will avoid swelling or
> soreness and whether the swelling and soreness will be temporary, able
> to be withstood, or harmful to high level performance.
>
> Unlike with the Mets, I trust the Jets' doctors to ensure that Revis
> played because it was time.
>
> harlan

Harlan, You have NO idea what you are talking about. A "hamstring" is an
injury to a muscle, actually one of the largest and most used muscles in our
body. It can go from anything to pulled to torn and all in between. Time
takes time...and if it is hurt before it comes back it will increase the
damage. If the thing was just a pulled muscle it can always still come
back. I'd bet the house that a lot of this has to do with his skipping
camp...you can run all you want by yourself and it is simply not the same
kind of conditioning. The reports today are that swelling has returned and
that is absolutely not good. If you have followed any of the medical issues
surrounding the NFL you should be aware that guys coming back before they
are ready is a huge problem. It is not like baseball either, you can not
compare the two at all. The amount of stress that is placed on a hamstring
injury every time he attempts to accelerate and then stop, or especially in
contact is far greater than in non contact sports. Playing on artificial
surfaces plays a role in this. Players have missed an entire season with a
severe hamstring injury. In a joint injury there is some gain to creating
range of motion and actually forcing movement, that is not the case with a
muscle tear or severe pull or strain. My guess is that if there is indeed
swelling he tore some of it.

As far as his play last night, they were in man coverage underneath when he
was beaten on a crossing route by Harvin, he did not look at all like "the
island"....he was servicable at best and even when we saw him attempting to
hit he was very tentative and looked shaky. When you pay a guy that much,
you expect him to play with some pain and I would guess he minimizes
it....because he knows it is his own fault. There have been some guys who
never really come back from a severe injury of the hamstring. More notably
it has ruined a lot of track guys. I absolutely disagree with you about
what rest can do...it can work wonders and that is a simple fact. I played
the game long enough and coached for over two decades and I'm aware of some
of the basics. Plus....my family is in medicine and my son played at a
fairly high level...and lost half a year of college with a hamstring that
was aggravated because he played too soon, and cut too quickly on a wet
astro turf field. He was a running back who was simply cutting back on a
trap play, the muscle strain became a tear and that was it.
Papa Carl

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 4:43 pm
From: Drumrboy


On Oct 12, 2:30 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <8d4eb7d8-3b4b-46f7-bf0d-74e983de6...@p26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 12, 2:00 pm, Still Roper <mark_edwards_2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > On Oct 12, 1:28 pm, Drumrboy <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Old man Farve gave you a gift last night.
>
> > > > The worst 4-1 team I've ever seen. Revand has been reading to many of
> > > > his press clippings and you're one more DUI arrest from forcing your
> > > > blowhard, fat assed coach to bench someone for a whole half, and
> > > > that's when the wheels fall off.
>
> > > > Enjoy it while you can, it's all smoke and mirrors and it's going to
> > > > be hysterical watching the ininvitable implosion.
>
> > > > Somebody better send a case of Kleenex to your blowhard coach before
> > > > fat ass starts blubbering all over the locker room again.
>
> > > > If not for lucky breaks, you clowns could just as easily be 0-5
>
> > > yo boy...
> > > gotta be one of the worst posts ever in this NG...thanks for dropping
> > > by...we all love a good laugh...
>
> > Except I don't see anyone here laughing, Slappy.
>
> > Tick Tock, Tick Tock.....
>
> LOL. Sour grapes. One more loss (to the Pats or Boys) and your team's
> season is over. Enjoy that.
>
> h

Lol. As long as our fat assed coach doesn't cry like a little bitch....


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 4:46 pm
From: Drumrboy


On Oct 12, 5:03 pm, "JK Coney@work" <chyopti...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Drumrboy" <joecsn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4902e522-6bd7-4c15-9a05-3ad86448e4d2@l14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Old man Farve gave you a gift last night.
>
> > The worst 4-1 team I've ever seen.
>
> Worse than da Bears?

What part of "THE WORST" didn't you understand?

At least you didn't dispute that the old man gave you this game.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 4:49 pm
From: Drumrboy


On Oct 12, 3:31 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
>
> news:harlan-5CA652.14134412102010@news60.forteinc.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > One key player in this game whose performance was one of the best I have
> > ever seen by a Jets player was Punter Steve Weatherford.
>
> > First, he held the ball in the rain without a glitch for each of the
> > critical FG. One botch and we likely lose this game.
>
> > His two shortest punts were for 33 and 38 yards. But the first was a
> > fair catch at the 11 and second was downed on the 6. One cannot punt
> > much better than that.
>
> > He had 3 punts over 50 yards that were resulted in fair catches (50, 52,
> > 51). Another punt that resulted in a FC was for 47; this means that
> > these four punts averaged 50 yards with no return.
>
> > The only punt that was returned was a 53 yarder that was returned for 22
> > yards. I will watch that again and comment. But, IIRC, the return team
> > was slow getting down the field and someone whiffed.
>
> > SW should get a game ball.
>
> > Harlan
>
> No way can you argue with that....he was a force last night.  I was very
> impressed.

LOL! You blowhards are happily giving game balls to fucking puntets!!!

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 4:52 pm
From: P-Dub


On 10/12/2010 11:04 AM, O'Neil's Faggy Prostrate - Save Our Country:
Vote Republican On November 2nd! wrote:
> This is My Plead To All: Save Our Country: Vote Republican On November
> 2nd! Here Is Why we need the Republicans to take over:
> 1) Lower our taxes...PERMANENTLY!
> 2) Build up our defenses...FROM TERRORISM...DUH!
> 3) Lower the unemployment rate..10% IS TOO HIGH!
> 4) Save Social Security by Privitization...FOR OUR CHILDREN!
> 5) Keep Government out of our lives...WE DO NOT NEED MORE REGULATIONS!
>
> Take Our Country Back! Vote Republican On November 2nd!!!

I am republican, and I hate to bust your bubble, but I don't trust the
republicans any more than I trust the democrats.

I will be voting MOSTLY republican. But the republicans are also crooks...

P-Dub: It's true. It's damn true. Can't wait until these idiotic
negative ads disappear after 11/2.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 7:12 pm
From: "O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - Go Rangers!"


Good job, d00d - you hooked a couple!

IMITATION!!!
:D

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 4:53 pm
From: Tutor


You hear your son crying about a loss, and you just KNOW the right
thing to do is film it and post it on the internet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17sX3z0SMYg

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 4:53 pm
From: "papa.carl44"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8ff1a05b-95be-4669-9091-a9b33f608690@g18g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 12, 1:45 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> They've been damn loud and electric through 3 home games. With the
> unprecedented build-up to the season it's not surprising, not to
> mention 2 MNFs and a rivalry game v. NE.
>
> Good job by them so far. Early in the game Jaworski termed the Jets
> crowd as "ignited." Doesn't hurt MNF affords many fans additional time
> to get lit up in the parking lot.
>
> I like how Rex said something "there ya go guys" to the fans to start
> his press conference. He knows what's up.

I agree.

I also like how he complements the opponents individually as well as a
team. It is almost like a salesman looking long term. They will be
free agents one day.

:)

I think it is just who he is. He loves the game and appreciates a good
performance. His head is not up his ass like so many people today and way
too many in the game, he has some character and is not afraid to compliment
an opponent. Usually that is a good indicator of real confidence.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 5:11 pm
From: Drumrboy


On Oct 12, 6:23 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 2:45 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > They've been damn loud and electric through 3 home games. With the
> > unprecedented build-up to the season it's not surprising, not to
> > mention 2 MNFs and a rivalry game v. NE.
>
> > Good job by them so far. Early in the game Jaworski termed the Jets
> > crowd as "ignited." Doesn't hurt MNF affords many fans additional time
> > to get lit up in the parking lot.
>
> > I like how Rex said something "there ya go guys" to the fans to start
> > his press conference. He knows what's up.
>
> I'm glad you guys noticed.  The crowd has been electric, loud and
> truly the 12th man on the field for the Jets.  Now if BuRf
> acknowledges that, I can sleep well at night.

Are you Rex's fluffier?

Holy fuck, you assholes are going to kill yourselves after this
implosion!

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 5:31 pm
From: BicketyBam


Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in
news:harlan-5AADC2.14190312102010@news60.forteinc.com:

> In article
> <e1c0e68f-f32a-4111-af26-72e3c2a8ca67@z28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 12, 10:53 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
>> > In article
>> > <b8c8f394-ad8f-4945-a0c6-bbd75b3f8...
@j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>> >
>> >  Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> > > 1. too many dropped passes.  this game should not have been this
>> > > hard.
>> > > 2. great job by the entire o-line pass protecting including
>> > > slauson who did impressive work. he's working with brick a lot
>> > > better now. obviously callahan is doing a good job coaching them
>> > > up. 3. revis may not be 100 % any time soon.
>> > > 4. who was responsible for the play calling and clock management
>> > > in the late 4th quarter ??? how in hell did they decide to call a
>> > > pass and turn it over to the vikes before the stop for the two
>> > > minute warning ??? that has to be one of the most inept things
>> > > i've seen with clock management since herm edwards.
>> >
>> > Michael, I loved both passing calls on second down. The first one
>> > got us a first down to Holmes.
>>
>> glenn.. i know schotty wants to be unpredictable, but i just dont
>> see the passing calls on that drive as being the way to go under
>> those circumstances.
>>
>> > I think the issue with the second was that Sanchez did not let the
>> > play clock run until the last second before he threw wildly to
>> > Holmes.
>>
>> that was a mistake too... he should know better...
>>
>> > The calls on second down were the right ones. We were trying to get
>> > first downs. If we had made the second one, the Vikes might never
>> > have gotten the ball back. You saw how they rushed on third down.
>> > Second down was the time to throw.
>>
>> i would have ran it... i think that was the better choice... but...
>> if they executed the pass, i guess it would have been "a good call"
>> coulda been, but it wasnt.
>
> Michael, they did run it. They ran for negative yardage (average) on
> the two first down calls. Running the ball would have just given the
> ball back with less time (but not much and less yardage to make).
>
> I think those who run the ball, conceding the first down IMHO, are
> playing not to lose. I like giving our team two chances to win.
>
> Harlan
>

I loved the pass calls, but as others pointed out, Sanchez snapped the
ball to soon. I actually said to myself, "Call a pass here and snap it
with 1 second on the play clock." My thinking was it was a chance to
pass with no fear of an incompletion because the clock was going to stop
for the 2 minute warning anyway. I nearly shit myself when he snapped it
early and threw incomplete.

But the call was the right one (just poorly executed). Parcells used to
do this on a regular basis. Put the hammer down. Win the game right
there. I have no problem with that.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 7:32 pm
From: Harlan Lachman


In article <Xns9E0FD0D08311Blowmejoemammanet@209.197.15.254>,
BicketyBam <Blowme@joemama.net> wrote:

> Harlan Lachman <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in
> news:harlan-5AADC2.14190312102010@news60.forteinc.com:
>
> > In article
> > <e1c0e68f-f32a-4111-af26-72e3c2a8ca67@z28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> > Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 12, 10:53 am, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> >> > In article
> >> > <b8c8f394-ad8f-4945-a0c6-bbd75b3f8...
> @j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >
> >> >  Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> > > 1. too many dropped passes.  this game should not have been this
> >> > > hard.
> >> > > 2. great job by the entire o-line pass protecting including
> >> > > slauson who did impressive work. he's working with brick a lot
> >> > > better now. obviously callahan is doing a good job coaching them
> >> > > up. 3. revis may not be 100 % any time soon.
> >> > > 4. who was responsible for the play calling and clock management
> >> > > in the late 4th quarter ??? how in hell did they decide to call a
> >> > > pass and turn it over to the vikes before the stop for the two
> >> > > minute warning ??? that has to be one of the most inept things
> >> > > i've seen with clock management since herm edwards.
> >> >
> >> > Michael, I loved both passing calls on second down. The first one
> >> > got us a first down to Holmes.
> >>
> >> glenn.. i know schotty wants to be unpredictable, but i just dont
> >> see the passing calls on that drive as being the way to go under
> >> those circumstances.
> >>
> >> > I think the issue with the second was that Sanchez did not let the
> >> > play clock run until the last second before he threw wildly to
> >> > Holmes.
> >>
> >> that was a mistake too... he should know better...
> >>
> >> > The calls on second down were the right ones. We were trying to get
> >> > first downs. If we had made the second one, the Vikes might never
> >> > have gotten the ball back. You saw how they rushed on third down.
> >> > Second down was the time to throw.
> >>
> >> i would have ran it... i think that was the better choice... but...
> >> if they executed the pass, i guess it would have been "a good call"
> >> coulda been, but it wasnt.
> >
> > Michael, they did run it. They ran for negative yardage (average) on
> > the two first down calls. Running the ball would have just given the
> > ball back with less time (but not much and less yardage to make).
> >
> > I think those who run the ball, conceding the first down IMHO, are
> > playing not to lose. I like giving our team two chances to win.
> >
> > Harlan
> >
>
> I loved the pass calls, but as others pointed out, Sanchez snapped the
> ball to soon. I actually said to myself, "Call a pass here and snap it
> with 1 second on the play clock." My thinking was it was a chance to
> pass with no fear of an incompletion because the clock was going to stop
> for the 2 minute warning anyway. I nearly shit myself when he snapped it
> early and threw incomplete.
>
> But the call was the right one (just poorly executed). Parcells used to
> do this on a regular basis. Put the hammer down. Win the game right
> there. I have no problem with that.

Yup to both points!

h

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 6:15 pm
From: buRford


As always, with our better play, comes the influx of the troll virus.
It's just gonna get worse, as the season progresses.
Some trolls used to be humorous, but these days they have nothing... just a cry for the
attention their mommys' didn't give them.

Most of us have responded to a few... I'm gonna stop.
Ignore 'em & they'll go away.


Disclaimer: I realize this post may serve as troll bait, an unintended consequence of
same, and unintended ;)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 6:19 pm
From: Drumrboy


On Oct 12, 9:15 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> As always, with our better play, comes the influx of the troll virus.
> It's just gonna get worse, as the season progresses.
> Some trolls used to be humorous, but these days they have nothing... just a cry for the
> attention their mommys' didn't give them.
>
> Most of us have responded to a few... I'm gonna stop.  
> Ignore 'em & they'll go away.
>
> Disclaimer: I realize this post may serve as troll bait, an unintended consequence of
> same, and unintended  ;)

Atta girl, run along you pussy. Go wipe fatsos tears.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 12 2010 7:16 pm
From: kent@nowhere.com (Kent)


http://bit.ly/a2vuIX


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