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* Masters racing - may be a worldwide phenomenon - 4 messages, 4 authors
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* $2mil - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d76912087193475b?hl=en
* Lance Armstrong welcomes his fifth child - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Separated at birth & old farts & a super tour - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9c72b22928395fb2?hl=en
* UCI Still Looking For A Way Out - 6 messages, 5 authors
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* 'Bye 'Bye "Rider's commitment" - 7 messages, 4 authors
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* EARN 30$/HOUR NEW CONCEPTS 100 % INSTANT PAYOUT - 1 messages, 1 author
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* See hot* Paris Hilton*Livesexy videos. - 1 messages, 1 author
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* ASHLEE SIMPSON Nude FULL VIDEOS ( PHOTOSHOOT ) - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Anyone catch this from Graham Watson? - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Masters racing - may be a worldwide phenomenon
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1bc14035a6dccb83?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 19 2010 11:20 pm
From: "Kurgan Gringioni"
"Fred Flintstein" <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote in message
news:2e-dnc0uUd41vSfRnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
: On 10/16/2010 4:12 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
: > "Fred Flintstein" <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote in message
news:D9idnRqiYYPcKCTRnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
: >> On 10/16/2010 4:50 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
: >>> I've been traveling around Italy for the last two weeks and have only
: >>> noticed (besides one what appeared to be a pro racer) older (40+ men)
: >>> riding road bikes for training/fitness. Any time I saw a younger
: >>> rider (training) they were on MTBs.
: >>>
: >>> Today is the Giro Lombardia. Last event of the 2010 UCI. If I see
: >>> McQuiad I will punch him in the face and tell him it's from all of us
: >>> in RBR. I know you'd do the same for me.
: >>
: >>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/cde3f8c1e33c6cb0/49d041133f7fdeb3
: >>
: >> I'll bet if you stopped into any shop at random and asked about
: >> bike sales to younger riders they would tell you the same thing
: >> Mike would.
: >>
: >> Fred Flintstein
: >
: > It is very discouraging how few young guys have taken up road cycling.
Back in the day the junior fields were as large as any. These days, the
sweet spot in the road bike market is 35-45. Women
: > actually trend a bit wider, picking up the sport/activity in their
mid-20s (I think part of the attraction is that some see it as safer than
jogging).
: >
: > I don't think it's just mountain bikes that have taken away from road
cycling for younger males though. Cycling in general is not the activity for
the younger folk that it used to be, at least not in
: > the US. I think much of the blame goes to traffic congestion around
schools, caused ironically by people driving their kids because they don't
think it's safe to ride with all the cars out there. Plus
: > mandatory helmet laws don't help either. And finally there's a general
sense of paranoia if John or Jane are out of sight, despite the fact that
John & Jane have cell phones now, while when many of us
: > were kids, we'd be completely out of touch from our parents for many
hours at a time.
:
: I've stopped wearing a helmet for the around town riding I
: do. I occasionally get questioned about that, my response
: is that riding a bicycle isn't dangerous. And while I've
: destroyed a helmet or two, I haven't fallen while toodle
: riding since I was a kid.
:
: I'm very aware of the drop off in youth cycling due to
: parental paranoia over the danger. I think our ability to
: assess risk is way out of whack.
:
: I've got a teenager in the house. The odds of her cracking
: her head open are way lopsided that it will happen in a
: car as opposed to on a bike.
Dumbass -
I don't know if I agree with that.
I've got 4 hospital visits due to bike crashes, none from car crashes. Knock
on wood.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 11:58 am
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"Kurgan Gringioni" <soulinthemachine@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:i9m1ol$14u$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Fred Flintstein" <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:2e-dnc0uUd41vSfRnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> : On 10/16/2010 4:12 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> : > "Fred Flintstein" <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:D9idnRqiYYPcKCTRnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> : >> On 10/16/2010 4:50 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> : >>> I've been traveling around Italy for the last two weeks and have
> only
> : >>> noticed (besides one what appeared to be a pro racer) older (40+
> men)
> : >>> riding road bikes for training/fitness. Any time I saw a younger
> : >>> rider (training) they were on MTBs.
> : >>>
> : >>> Today is the Giro Lombardia. Last event of the 2010 UCI. If I see
> : >>> McQuiad I will punch him in the face and tell him it's from all of
> us
> : >>> in RBR. I know you'd do the same for me.
> : >>
> : >>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/cde3f8c1e33c6cb0/49d041133f7fdeb3
> : >>
> : >> I'll bet if you stopped into any shop at random and asked about
> : >> bike sales to younger riders they would tell you the same thing
> : >> Mike would.
> : >>
> : >> Fred Flintstein
> : >
> : > It is very discouraging how few young guys have taken up road cycling.
> Back in the day the junior fields were as large as any. These days, the
> sweet spot in the road bike market is 35-45. Women
> : > actually trend a bit wider, picking up the sport/activity in their
> mid-20s (I think part of the attraction is that some see it as safer than
> jogging).
> : >
> : > I don't think it's just mountain bikes that have taken away from road
> cycling for younger males though. Cycling in general is not the activity
> for
> the younger folk that it used to be, at least not in
> : > the US. I think much of the blame goes to traffic congestion around
> schools, caused ironically by people driving their kids because they don't
> think it's safe to ride with all the cars out there. Plus
> : > mandatory helmet laws don't help either. And finally there's a general
> sense of paranoia if John or Jane are out of sight, despite the fact that
> John & Jane have cell phones now, while when many of us
> : > were kids, we'd be completely out of touch from our parents for many
> hours at a time.
> :
> : I've stopped wearing a helmet for the around town riding I
> : do. I occasionally get questioned about that, my response
> : is that riding a bicycle isn't dangerous. And while I've
> : destroyed a helmet or two, I haven't fallen while toodle
> : riding since I was a kid.
> :
> : I'm very aware of the drop off in youth cycling due to
> : parental paranoia over the danger. I think our ability to
> : assess risk is way out of whack.
> :
> : I've got a teenager in the house. The odds of her cracking
> : her head open are way lopsided that it will happen in a
> : car as opposed to on a bike.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I don't know if I agree with that.
>
> I've got 4 hospital visits due to bike crashes, none from car crashes.
> Knock
> on wood.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
+1. Hadn't thought about it that way. On the other hand, I put more miles on
a bike than I do driving, and if I were to compare "high performance"
cycling vs "high performance" driving, I'm guessing the car would come out
ahead in terms of severity and number of accidents. All three of my bike
accidents requiring hospitalization were from either racing or hard
training.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 1:18 pm
From: Fred Flintstein
On 10/20/2010 1:58 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <soulinthemachine@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:i9m1ol$14u$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Fred Flintstein" <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote in message
>> : I've got a teenager in the house. The odds of her cracking
>> : her head open are way lopsided that it will happen in a
>> : car as opposed to on a bike.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> I don't know if I agree with that.
>>
>> I've got 4 hospital visits due to bike crashes, none from car crashes.
>> Knock
>> on wood.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> +1. Hadn't thought about it that way. On the other hand, I put more
> miles on a bike than I do driving, and if I were to compare "high
> performance" cycling vs "high performance" driving, I'm guessing the car
> would come out ahead in terms of severity and number of accidents. All
> three of my bike accidents requiring hospitalization were from either
> racing or hard training.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
Very few bike riders do the stuff you guys do.
I've cracked a number of helmets, but never while doing something
most bike riders do. By the same token, I don't feel that Dale
Earnhardt's death says anything about the risk for me of driving a
car.
If you stick to the activities that are common to most teenage
drivers or cyclists, drivers are at much higher risk. Teens die in
cars with a frequency that we don't even think about it. Cycling
fatalities are very rare in comparison. I'll bet if you expressed
that in terms of the number of head injuries you'd get the same
result.
If I were driving in a race situation, I would wear protective
gear. When I toodle around on my bike, I don't wear a helmet.
Judging by the shit I occasionally get for that it appears most
people associate the risk with the vehicle and not the activity.
Fred Flintstein
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 2:17 pm
From: RicodJour
On Oct 20, 4:18 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcremoveglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> If I were driving in a race situation, I would wear protective
> gear. When I toodle around on my bike, I don't wear a helmet.
> Judging by the shit I occasionally get for that it appears most
> people associate the risk with the vehicle and not the activity.
Or your head just looks funny without a helmet. :)~
R
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TOPIC: $2mil
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d76912087193475b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 2:09 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"
Philip W. Moore, Jr. wrote:
> What are you, a fucking commie?
At least he's getting laid, even if its in a Lada.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 6:48 am
From: Plano Dude
On Oct 19, 11:50 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 19, 10:40 pm, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 19, 9:29 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 19, 8:51 pm, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 19, 7:19 pm, "Philip W. Moore, Jr." <phi...@pwm-law.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > "Anton Berlin" <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:ab161cfa-eb2e-4c4b-9ce3-6fe9d4b57efb@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > As long as we all agree that Lance is a self-serving cunt only
> > > > > > interested himself then we can all get along.
>
> > > > > It's bidness, bee-atch! What problem do you have with people making any
> > > > > amount of money that the market will bear? Supply and demand. What are
> > > > > you, a fucking commie?
>
> > > > Dumbass,
>
> > > > It was discussed that Armstrong received anywhere from $1 to $3
> > > > million start money from the Giro in 2009. When you compare the
> > > > magnitude of the Giro to that of the TDU, it makes the $2 Aussie money
> > > > seem pretty significant.
>
> > > > Second, when Zomegnan wrote Armstong that check, it was from money his
> > > > company was earning. Not directly from the pockets of the taxpayers.
> > > > Did you miss the part about the South Australian government cutting
> > > > public services?
>
> > > Are you objecting to the fact that the SA government made a deal
> > > without your approval, or that they apparently hid it from their
> > > constituents? Either way, BFD.
>
> > > It's pitiful that you feel you need an excuse to rag on someone. It
> > > lowers it from an art form to just bitching on Usenet - which is
> > > slightly lower than bitching in your blog.
>
> > I have a blog? Awesome! Where is it? Link please.
>
> I won't do that to you - it sucks. :)~
>
> > No. No. No, godammit, no.
>
> > My curiosity is, let me make this clear to you and Philip Michael
> > Thomas over there, the PERCEIVED WORTH OF ARMSTRONG'S PRESENCE VARIOUS
> > EVENTS.
>
> So what do you feel is Armstrong's "correct" worth?
Dumbassii
From a strictly business standpoint, worth is determined by what
positive revenue or value it will bring in return. So if I am Brian
Lafferty and open up a stand at a local chess tournament called "Meet
My Best Friend For A Dollar", it's not likely that Laff will see much
profit if he pays Armstrong $2M to sit at the stand with him.
Conversely, Zomegnan felt that he would enhance the value of his
business, the 2009 Giro (widely considered the second most prestigious
stage race in the world), by paying Armstrong somewhere between $1-3M
to participate in the event. Weigh the history and importance of the
event, the population base for in-person viewing, the time zones for
live broadcasting, ease of travel to the event, that it is 21 stage/
three week event length of exposure, etc. A cursory check did not find
any comments about the estimated economic impact of the Giro.
The TDU began in 1999. The population of the state of South Australia
is about 1.5 million (Australia is slightly smaller than the US 48
contiguous states and has only 7 states. Australia's total population
is less than 22 million people). South Australia is 8 1/2 hours ahead
of western Europe, so a live broadcast of a 5 hour stage that starts
at 9 am (remember that it is frequently hot as fuck in Adelaide at
that time of year) would be starting at 12:30 AM in Europe and
finishing at 5:30 in the morning.In New York it would be starting at
6:30 the previous evening and ending at 11:30 pm.
The TDU is only a 6 stage race and likely to be considered a training
race at that, especially with it's place on the calendar.
The TDU claims a $41M economic impact for the communities in the area
of the race. By comparison, ATOC claims a $100M economic impact.
It's not my place or interest to tell LANCE what he is worth, or if he
should take less or hold out for more. All I am saying is that $2M
appearance money for the TDU is a significant amount.
>
> > Holy fuck, do you get it now?
>
> Cite?
>
> R
>
> PS I'm just fucking with you - it's kinda slow around here and I need
> a diversion.
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TOPIC: Lance Armstrong welcomes his fifth child
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/19545bc56993d904?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 2:07 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"
jwarner1 wrote:
> stupid beyond belief! see a psychiatrist.
> I have sent your post to Armstrong.
Dumbass,
You don't need to; HE gets free legal advice by lurking on rbr.
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TOPIC: Separated at birth & old farts & a super tour
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/9c72b22928395fb2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 2:13 am
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"
Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> Maybe we should just get it over with now and predict
> that everything that happens in rbr will be a repeat of
> what has previously happened.
The arrow of time has been replaced by the boomerang of time in rbr.
Corollary: rbr is situated in a location where spacetime is warped into
a doughnut hence the predilection of rbr FM's for eating the same.
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TOPIC: UCI Still Looking For A Way Out
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/df29063fec7206f7?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 6:40 am
From: Fred Flintstein
On 10/19/2010 11:54 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Oct 19, 11:17 pm, Fred Flintstein
> <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 10/19/2010 5:33 PM, Vagina Gorilla wrote:
>>
>>>> Fred Flintstein
>>
>>> Dumbass -Scott got a year and most people that know him and know the
>>> story understand it was tainted supplements.
>>
>>> http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/arbitrat...
>>
>> Dumbass,
>>
>> You did read that judgment, right? I mean, it's kind of
>> funny that you would use it to make your point.
>>
>> I'll save you time. The statements in 2.2.1 through 2.2.3,
>> he's never explained those, has he?
>>
>> If you know Scott, please ask him and report back.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Fred Flintstein
>>
>> PS He made you look stupid, you might want to ask him
>> about that too.
>
> Yeah, I don't know that I'd use that particular PDF in defending a
> bro. Basically said there was nothing in the unopened bottles, and
> the opened bottle had some unknown substances and metabolites. Maybe
> the metabolites came from recycled steroids? Cost saving measure, I'm
> sure.
>
> Maybe it's that time of the month for Vanilla Gorilla...
>
> R
I will admit to being more cynical than average. But I've reached
a state where dishonesty about doping bugs me more than the actual
offense. If 'most people that know him' are still buying into
supplement contamination... if one of my acquaintances was that
comfortable with lying to me I'd really have an issue with it.
Moninger is getting a lot of mileage out of that.
But he did get a year and not 6 months, I was in error about that.
Fred Flintstein
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 9:48 am
From: "A. Dumas"
Fred Flintstein wrote:
> But he did get a year and not 6 months, I was in error about that.
It's the minimum possible ban for a doping positive but "no significant
fault."
Athletes who take supplements are dumb as fuck. How many times has it
been in the news that these pills are often tainted? Or sometimes,
whatever, you just don't take that risk.
If supplement pills work, they probably have steroids in them.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 11:04 am
From: Fred Flintstein
On 10/20/2010 11:48 AM, A. Dumas wrote:
> Fred Flintstein wrote:
>> But he did get a year and not 6 months, I was in error about that.
>
> It's the minimum possible ban for a doping positive but "no significant
> fault."
There is a discussion of this towards the end of the document.
The minimum would have been 6 months. They chose one year to
be consistent with judgments in similar cases, none of whom
got the max.
The circumstances that were discussed were, paraphrasing here,
that he was near the end of a long career where he had been
tested many times with no positives. Given that and his age it
was determined that two years would be excessive and out of
proportion with the offense.
In sections 5.5 and 5.6 they discuss his failure to establish
supplement contamination.
Fred Flintstein
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 11:17 am
From: raamman
On Oct 19, 3:57 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-puts-the-brakes-on-an-early-concl...
>
> Hard to see why the UCI needs more time. Failed A/B samples, no
> scientific backing for Contador's "dope steak" excuse, secondary
> evidence of transfusions. Exactly what additional "scientific
> evaluations" are needed, and what more does WADA need to provide the
> UCI?
>
> I'm still sticking to my prediction the UCI will find a way for
> Contador to keep his TdF title and avoid a ban. They'll dig up
> something.
>
> Brad Anders
it looks like they are waiting for the legal/"scientific" arguement
that will allow them to let the tour results stand and do nothing; it
only further enhances the injustice to Schleck
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 1:20 pm
From: Brad Anders
On Oct 20, 11:17 am, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 19, 3:57 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-puts-the-brakes-on-an-early-concl...
>
> > Hard to see why the UCI needs more time. Failed A/B samples, no
> > scientific backing for Contador's "dope steak" excuse, secondary
> > evidence of transfusions. Exactly what additional "scientific
> > evaluations" are needed, and what more does WADA need to provide the
> > UCI?
>
> > I'm still sticking to my prediction the UCI will find a way for
> > Contador to keep his TdF title and avoid a ban. They'll dig up
> > something.
>
> > Brad Anders
>
> it looks like they are waiting for the legal/"scientific" arguement
> that will allow them to let the tour results stand and do nothing; it
> only further enhances the injustice to Schleck
IMO, it's likely Schleck was doing the same stuff as Contador, only
not as clumsily. I doubt there's much of an "injustice" in this case.
Brad Anders
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 5:59 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<9de0b770-c122-4db4-9cce-7320625596cd@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
raamman <raamman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 19, 3:57 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-puts-the-brakes-on-an-early-concl...
> >
> > Hard to see why the UCI needs more time. Failed A/B samples, no
> > scientific backing for Contador's "dope steak" excuse, secondary
> > evidence of transfusions. Exactly what additional "scientific
> > evaluations" are needed, and what more does WADA need to provide the
> > UCI?
> >
> > I'm still sticking to my prediction the UCI will find a way for
> > Contador to keep his TdF title and avoid a ban. They'll dig up
> > something.
> >
> > Brad Anders
>
> it looks like they are waiting for the legal/"scientific" arguement
> that will allow them to let the tour results stand and do nothing; it
> only further enhances the injustice to Schleck
You mean that doper, Schleck?
--
Old Fritz
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TOPIC: 'Bye 'Bye "Rider's commitment"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/12e3304a08b61995?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 8:45 am
From: DirtRoadie
http://bit.ly/b1nofr
DR
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 9:08 am
From: "Philip W. Moore, Jr."
"DirtRoadie" <DirtRoadie@aol.com> wrote in message
news:d7d04adf-fa5e-48f6-b769-228b11afd16a@t13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> http://bit.ly/b1nofr
>
> DR
I'm NOT siding with the CAS, but these types of agreements are disregarded
in the law, like a pre-nuptial agreement given to a bride right before she
walks down the isle. I don't know the facts here, just pointing out that
these types of deals aren't iron clad.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 9:34 am
From: RicodJour
On Oct 20, 12:08 pm, "Philip W. Moore, Jr." <phi...@pwm-law.com>
wrote:
> "DirtRoadie" <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d7d04adf-fa5e-48f6-b769-228b11afd16a@t13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://bit.ly/b1nofr
>
>
> I'm NOT siding with the CAS, but these types of agreements are disregarded
> in the law, like a pre-nuptial agreement given to a bride right before she
> walks down the isle. I don't know the facts here, just pointing out that
> these types of deals aren't iron clad.
No, but the CAS saying they don't understand what salary means is
stupid. Obviously endorsements and taxes are calculated differently,
as are bonuses, happy endings from the team masseuse, and money
collected on Halloween for UNICEF.
R
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 9:54 am
From: DirtRoadie
On Oct 20, 10:08 am, "Philip W. Moore, Jr." <phi...@pwm-law.com>
wrote:
> "DirtRoadie" <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d7d04adf-fa5e-48f6-b769-228b11afd16a@t13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://bit.ly/b1nofr
>
> > DR
>
> I'm NOT siding with the CAS, but these types of agreements are disregarded
> in the law, like a pre-nuptial agreement given to a bride right before she
> walks down the isle. I don't know the facts here, just pointing out that
> these types of deals aren't iron clad.
I'd view it more like an unenforceable "liquidated damages" provision
that constitutes a penalty rather than compensation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidated_damages
Back when these things were put in place I wondered about their
legitimacy. We now have ONE answer.
DR
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 10:01 am
From: "Philip W. Moore, Jr."
"DirtRoadie" <DirtRoadie@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 20, 10:08 am, "Philip W. Moore, Jr." <phi...@pwm-law.com>
wrote:
> "DirtRoadie" <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d7d04adf-fa5e-48f6-b769-228b11afd16a@t13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://bit.ly/b1nofr
>
> > DR
>
> I'm NOT siding with the CAS, but these types of agreements are disregarded
> in the law, like a pre-nuptial agreement given to a bride right before she
> walks down the isle. I don't know the facts here, just pointing out that
> these types of deals aren't iron clad.
I'd view it more like an unenforceable "liquidated damages" provision
that constitutes a penalty rather than compensation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidated_damages
Back when these things were put in place I wondered about their
legitimacy. We now have ONE answer.
DR
________________
Excellent point, and one that I haven't thought of. Still, they could have
said that. Or did they, in a foreign manner of speaking?
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 10:27 am
From: DirtRoadie
On Oct 20, 11:01 am, "Philip W. Moore, Jr." <phi...@pwm-law.com>
wrote:
> "DirtRoadie" <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:924b67c2-0d0d-48ef-8395-87a44ca77e45@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 20, 10:08 am, "Philip W. Moore, Jr." <phi...@pwm-law.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "DirtRoadie" <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:d7d04adf-fa5e-48f6-b769-228b11afd16a@t13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >http://bit.ly/b1nofr
>
> > > DR
>
> > I'm NOT siding with the CAS, but these types of agreements are disregarded
> > in the law, like a pre-nuptial agreement given to a bride right before she
> > walks down the isle. I don't know the facts here, just pointing out that
> > these types of deals aren't iron clad.
>
> I'd view it more like an unenforceable "liquidated damages" provision
> that constitutes a penalty rather than compensation.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidated_damages
>
> Back when these things were put in place I wondered about their
> legitimacy. We now have ONE answer.
>
> DR
>
> ________________
>
> Excellent point, and one that I haven't thought of. Still, they could have
> said that. Or did they, in a foreign manner of speaking?
Well you made me find this:
http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/4410/5048/0/Award%201458%20_FINAL_%20internet.pdf
In looking at the decision they refer throughout to whether there was
a validly enforceable "penalty agreement." So they don't seem to have
used the analysis I suggested.
It looks as if they really are saying that the penalty agreement was
really not an agreement - it was intended as only just a public
statement.
DR
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 11:51 am
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
"DirtRoadie" <DirtRoadie@aol.com> wrote in message
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> http://bit.ly/b1nofr
>
> DR
Hard to believe there have only been a couple of relevant cases. Was it only
riders lining up for the 'Tour that year who had to sign it, and nobody
else? There have certainly been many dozens of suspensions since then, and
apparently only one person who agreed to pay up?
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 11:58 am
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
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>
>
> Mike is finally seeing the light. Congratulations!
How many lights do you see?
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Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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