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* Discount Wholesale RMC Jeans http://www.24hour-buy.com - 1 messages, 1
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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c3d6acaab96b1d5a?hl=en
* Cycl' O'Cross - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/12109afd51bfd629?hl=en
* Bruyneel suspended, Radioshack riders fined - 14 messages, 14 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8979398bd737ce63?hl=en
* Tour of California - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/69e36748da5bd8ca?hl=en
* Same guy before & after - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4d6082d49c81d742?hl=en
* Should You Buy Store Brand Canned Goods or Brand Name? - 1 messages, 1
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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/292200d365d21979?hl=en
* Armstrong & Exception to Statute of Limitations - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/87bf4407d9339850?hl=en
* Discount Nike Air Max 2005 Shop (http://www.cntrade09.com) - 1 messages, 1
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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/992794177c73e18f?hl=en

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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c3d6acaab96b1d5a?hl=en
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TOPIC: Cycl' O'Cross
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/12109afd51bfd629?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 1:48 am
From: Hermichut


On Oct 29, 7:02 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jobst just posted this link in r.b.tech:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9_Fs1QtsOY
>
> It's color film of an Irish cyclocross race from about
> 1960, with commentary added much later, and is
> made of awesome.
>
> I think my favorite comment is "And this is the muddy patch."
>
> Enjoy,
> Fredmaster Ben

Are you sure it is from 1960 ? and what makes you think it is from
ireland ?

Hermichut


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 11:42 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Oct 31, 1:48 am, Hermichut <webo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 29, 7:02 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jobst just posted this link in r.b.tech:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9_Fs1QtsOY
>
> > It's color film of an Irish cyclocross race from about
> > 1960, with commentary added much later, and is
> > made of awesome.
>
> > I think my favorite comment is "And this is the muddy patch."
>
> > Enjoy,
> > Fredmaster Ben
>
> Are you sure it is from 1960 ? and what makes you think it is from
> ireland ?
>
> Hermichut

Did you listen to the commentary?

No I'm not sure it's from exactly 1960, that's why I said
"about 1960."

And the Irish influence appears to be in the cycling club that
posted it and the commentator's voice. Further research suggests
it's from outside Newcastle. I'm sorry if this ruined your
enjoyment of this film.

Fredmaster Ben


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 1:23 pm
From: Hermichut


On Oct 31, 7:42 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 1:48 am, Hermichut <webo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 7:02 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Jobst just posted this link in r.b.tech:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9_Fs1QtsOY
>
> > > It's color film of an Irish cyclocross race from about
> > > 1960, with commentary added much later, and is
> > > made of awesome.
>
> > > I think my favorite comment is "And this is the muddy patch."
>
> > > Enjoy,
> > > Fredmaster Ben
>
> > Are you sure it is from 1960 ? and what makes you think it is from
> > ireland ?
>
> > Hermichut
>
> Did you listen to the commentary?
>
> No I'm not sure it's from exactly 1960, that's why I said
> "about 1960."
>
> And the Irish influence appears to be in the cycling club that
> posted it and the commentator's voice.  Further research suggests
> it's from outside Newcastle.  I'm sorry if this ruined your
> enjoyment of this film.
>
> Fredmaster Ben

relax.....

the youtube video title is 1950 Cyclocross Race.mp4 .(!!) .... and the
man's accent from the commentary is anything but Irish ... I was
just curious where these ideas came from......

h.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 1:41 pm
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


Fredmaster Ben wrote:
>> And the Irish influence appears to be in the cycling club that
>> posted it and the commentator's voice. Further research suggests
>> it's from outside Newcastle. I'm sorry if this ruined your
>> enjoyment of this film.

Hermichut wrote:
> the youtube video title is 1950 Cyclocross Race.mp4 .(!!) .... and the
> man's accent from the commentary is anything but Irish ... I was
> just curious where these ideas came from......

And we're supposed to know the difference between an Irish accent and a
Newcastle accent ?


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 6:27 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Oct 31, 1:23 pm, Hermichut <webo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 7:42 pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 31, 1:48 am, Hermichut <webo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 29, 7:02 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Jobst just posted this link in r.b.tech:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9_Fs1QtsOY
>
> > > > It's color film of an Irish cyclocross race from about
> > > > 1960, with commentary added much later, and is
> > > > made of awesome.
>
> > > > I think my favorite comment is "And this is the muddy patch."
>
> > > > Enjoy,
> > > > Fredmaster Ben
>
> > > Are you sure it is from 1960 ? and what makes you think it is from
> > > ireland ?
>
> > > Hermichut
>
> > Did you listen to the commentary?
>
> > No I'm not sure it's from exactly 1960, that's why I said
> > "about 1960."
>
> > And the Irish influence appears to be in the cycling club that
> > posted it and the commentator's voice.  Further research suggests
> > it's from outside Newcastle.  I'm sorry if this ruined your
> > enjoyment of this film.
>
> > Fredmaster Ben
>
> relax.....
>
> the youtube video title is 1950 Cyclocross Race.mp4 .(!!) .... and the
> man's accent from the commentary is anything but Irish ...   I was
> just curious where these ideas came from......
>
> h.

You could have said that to make a positive contribution
rather than appearing to make a complaint.

It's true the video title is 1950, but various clues, including
the fact that the film is in color, some of the bikes, and some
things the commentator says (and even some of the youtube
comments - this must be the first youtube video I have
seen with useful comments) suggest 1960s, not 1950.

Fredmaster Ben

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Bruyneel suspended, Radioshack riders fined
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8979398bd737ce63?hl=en
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 10:07 am
From: Fred on a stick


For wearing Livestrong jerseys.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bruyneel-suspended-for-two-months-over-wrong-jerseys-at-tour-de-france

In other news, Barredo was suspended for the same amount of time for
attacking another rider and trying to hit him over the head with his
bike wheel.


== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 11:09 am
From: "A. Dumas"


Fred on a stick wrote:
> For wearing Livestrong jerseys.
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bruyneel-suspended-for-two-months-over-wrong-jerseys-at-tour-de-france
>
> In other news, Barredo was suspended for the same amount of time for
> attacking another rider and trying to hit him over the head with his
> bike wheel.

Barredo was suspended from Jan 1 to Feb 28 "to have more impact than the
usual off season suspensions in Nov/Dec." On the other hand, Bruyneel
was suspended from Feb 1 to Mar 31, allowing him to be at the Tour Down
Under with LANCE. Barf.


== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 11:38 am
From: dave a


On 10/31/2010 11:09 AM, A. Dumas wrote:
> Fred on a stick wrote:
>> For wearing Livestrong jerseys.
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bruyneel-suspended-for-two-months-over-wrong-jerseys-at-tour-de-france
>>
>> In other news, Barredo was suspended for the same amount of time for
>> attacking another rider and trying to hit him over the head with his
>> bike wheel.
>
> Barredo was suspended from Jan 1 to Feb 28 "to have more impact than the
> usual off season suspensions in Nov/Dec." On the other hand, Bruyneel
> was suspended from Feb 1 to Mar 31, allowing him to be at the Tour Down
> Under with LANCE. Barf.

Well it's not like wearing what you feel like wearing is the same as
smashing someone over the head with your wheel. If the sponsors are
happy, the UCI shouldn't give a shit what the teams wear. I don't think
the penalty fits the crime in RatShack's case.

Barredo, on the other hand, needs to get a grip on his violent impulses
and should have been given a longer suspension so he could contemplate
the seriousness of his actions.

just my <$0.02


== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 12:16 pm
From: --D-y


On Oct 31, 1:09 pm, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> Fred on a stick wrote:
>
> > For wearing Livestrong jerseys.
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bruyneel-suspended-for-two-months-ove...
>
> > In other news, Barredo was suspended for the same amount of time for
> > attacking another rider and trying to hit him over the head with his
> > bike wheel.
>
> Barredo was suspended from Jan 1 to Feb 28 "to have more impact than the
> usual off season suspensions in Nov/Dec." On the other hand, Bruyneel
> was suspended from Feb 1 to Mar 31, allowing him to be at the Tour Down
> Under with LANCE. Barf.

Well, the small amount of coverage I saw seemed to show a fair amount
of "pushback" from Lance, at least. I don't recall anything IRT
Bruyneel one way or the other.

I'd call this an effective "shot across the bow". They have rules they
want you to follow, whatever anyone might think one way or another,
and it's their playground.

An obvious question might be "How hard would it have been for the B&L
Show to get prior approval", especially considering the Livestrong
"cause" connection?". The "pushback" factored in heavily, also; as I
remember, changing jerseys was resisted and the team was threatened
with expulsion. I don't remember the linkage there, IOW if the
expulsion threat was "first word" or whether it was a reaction to an
order to change jerseys not being immediately obeyed.
--D-y


== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 12:22 pm
From: "Beloved Fred No. 1"


A. Dumas wrote:
> Barredo was suspended from Jan 1 to Feb 28 "to have more impact than the
> usual off season suspensions in Nov/Dec.

He should have used a 36 spoke tied and soldered wheel if he wanted to
make an impact.

rbt fred


== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 2:16 pm
From: TheCoz


On Oct 31, 1:22 pm, "Beloved Fred No. 1" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> A. Dumas wrote:
> > Barredo was suspended from Jan 1 to Feb 28 "to have more impact than the
> > usual off season suspensions in Nov/Dec.
>
> He should have used a 36 spoke tied and soldered wheel if he wanted to
> make an impact.
>
> rbt fred

How does RadioShack's uniform offense compare to what Cipo would
repeatedly pull during TdF events?
Coz


== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 4:22 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"


"TheCoz" <cycledogg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7238f6d9-b7bd-4362-a988-7c7f404fa0ba@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 31, 1:22 pm, "Beloved Fred No. 1" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> A. Dumas wrote:
> > Barredo was suspended from Jan 1 to Feb 28 "to have more impact than
> > the
> > usual off season suspensions in Nov/Dec.
>
> He should have used a 36 spoke tied and soldered wheel if he wanted to
> make an impact.
>
> rbt fred

>>How does RadioShack's uniform offense compare to what Cipo would
>>repeatedly pull during TdF events?
>>Coz

--Oh, please, monsieur. It is a little game we play. They put it on the
bill, I tear up the bill. It is very convenient.--

With Cipo, you've got this one flamboyant guy, a sprinter at that, and
it's no more disruptive than an end-zone dance. Allowing it to continue
isn't going to cause all that much trouble. But for an entire team to
change their kit, for a DS to twit like a twit, and then the team
changed *again* to the "illegal" jerseys for the team podium
presentation, that's another thing entirely. Consider a sprinter to be
like a fighter pilot, and Bruyneel to be a General. One more example
where you'd expect a different standard of behaviour and punishment.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 4:27 pm
From: Amit Ghosh


On Oct 31, 5:16 pm, TheCoz <cycled...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 1:22 pm, "Beloved Fred No. 1" <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> > A. Dumas wrote:
> > > Barredo was suspended from Jan 1 to Feb 28 "to have more impact than the
> > > usual off season suspensions in Nov/Dec.
>
> > He should have used a 36 spoke tied and soldered wheel if he wanted to
> > make an impact.
>
> > rbt fred
>
> How does RadioShack's uniform offense compare to what Cipo would
> repeatedly pull during TdF events?


dumbass,

the team was warned about using the uniforms on the final day and
though they raced in their usual jerseys they still went against the
officials wishes so that made it worse for them.

note that this decision wasn't from the race jury, but traveled up the
chain to the UCI who decided the penalty.

== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 4:57 pm
From: "Mark J."


On 10/31/2010 4:22 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "TheCoz"<cycledogg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7238f6d9-b7bd-4362-a988-7c7f404fa0ba@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 31, 1:22 pm, "Beloved Fred No. 1"<n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>> A. Dumas wrote:
>>> Barredo was suspended from Jan 1 to Feb 28 "to have more impact than
>>> the
>>> usual off season suspensions in Nov/Dec.
>>
>> He should have used a 36 spoke tied and soldered wheel if he wanted to
>> make an impact.
>>
>> rbt fred
>
>>> How does RadioShack's uniform offense compare to what Cipo would
>>> repeatedly pull during TdF events?
>>> Coz
>
> --Oh, please, monsieur. It is a little game we play. They put it on the
> bill, I tear up the bill. It is very convenient.--
>
> With Cipo, you've got this one flamboyant guy, a sprinter at that, and
> it's no more disruptive than an end-zone dance. Allowing it to continue
> isn't going to cause all that much trouble. But for an entire team to
> change their kit,

ISTR that Cipo's entire team did the "convict" black-and-white stripes
"legalize my Cannondale" kit on the ?Sestriere? stage of Le Tour one
year. Postal did the gray postal jerseys for the last stage of the '03
tour and ASO didn't pitch a hissy fit then. I'm sure there were fines,
probably in both cases, but not this silliness.

Mark J.

== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 7:04 pm
From: Horst Schnellinger


* Mark J. <MarkUseNet@comcast.net> [31-10-10 23:57]:
> On 10/31/2010 4:22 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> "TheCoz"<cycledogg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7238f6d9-b7bd-4362-a988-7c7f404fa0ba@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 31, 1:22 pm, "Beloved Fred No. 1"<n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>> A. Dumas wrote:
>>>> Barredo was suspended from Jan 1 to Feb 28 "to have more impact than
>>>> the
>>>> usual off season suspensions in Nov/Dec.
>>>
>>> He should have used a 36 spoke tied and soldered wheel if he wanted to
>>> make an impact.
>>>
>>> rbt fred
>>
>>>> How does RadioShack's uniform offense compare to what Cipo would
>>>> repeatedly pull during TdF events?
>>>> Coz
>>
>> --Oh, please, monsieur. It is a little game we play. They put it on the
>> bill, I tear up the bill. It is very convenient.--
>>
>> With Cipo, you've got this one flamboyant guy, a sprinter at that, and
>> it's no more disruptive than an end-zone dance. Allowing it to continue
>> isn't going to cause all that much trouble. But for an entire team to
>> change their kit,
>
> ISTR that Cipo's entire team did the "convict" black-and-white stripes
> "legalize my Cannondale" kit on the ?Sestriere? stage of Le Tour one
> year. Postal did the gray postal jerseys for the last stage of the '03
> tour and ASO didn't pitch a hissy fit then. I'm sure there were fines,
> probably in both cases, but not this silliness.

This fines are okay, good, there are rules, nobody complaines.
But the suspension is a dumb joke.


== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 8:11 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Oct 31, 7:04 pm, Horst Schnellinger <schnellin...@nurfuerspam.de>
wrote:
> * Mark J. <MarkUse...@comcast.net> [31-10-10 23:57]:
>
>
>
> > On 10/31/2010 4:22 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >> "TheCoz"<cycled...@hotmail.com>  wrote in message
> >>news:7238f6d9-b7bd-4362-a988-7c7f404fa0ba@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Oct 31, 1:22 pm, "Beloved Fred No. 1"<n...@mailinator.com>  wrote:
> >>> A. Dumas wrote:
> >>>> Barredo was suspended from Jan 1 to Feb 28 "to have more impact than
> >>>> the
> >>>> usual off season suspensions in Nov/Dec.
>
> >>> He should have used a 36 spoke tied and soldered wheel if he wanted to
> >>> make an impact.
>
> >>> rbt fred
>
> >>>> How does RadioShack's uniform offense compare to what Cipo would
> >>>> repeatedly pull during TdF events?
> >>>> Coz
>
> >> --Oh, please, monsieur. It is a little game we play. They put it on the
> >> bill, I tear up the bill. It is very convenient.--
>
> >> With Cipo, you've got this one flamboyant guy, a sprinter at that, and
> >> it's no more disruptive than an end-zone dance. Allowing it to continue
> >> isn't going to cause all that much trouble. But for an entire team to
> >> change their kit,
>
> > ISTR that Cipo's entire team did the "convict" black-and-white stripes
> > "legalize my Cannondale" kit on the ?Sestriere? stage of Le Tour one
> > year.  Postal did the gray postal jerseys for the last stage of the '03
> > tour and ASO didn't pitch a hissy fit then.  I'm sure there were fines,
> > probably in both cases, but not this silliness.
>
> This fines are okay, good, there are rules, nobody complaines.
> But the suspension is a dumb joke.

IMO, he would have just got a fine had he not
immediately tweeted his criticisms. The suspension
is for using Twitter. Well, and for backtalking the
officials, but I'm in favor of suspensions for
any use of Twitter during a stage. Lines have to be
drawn somewhere. I'm just glad Twitter didn't come
along until after Cipo retired - the talking-on-a-mobile
stunts during the stage were bad enough.

Fredmaster "Time for new black sock rules, goddamnit" Ben


== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 8:16 pm
From: Fred Fredburger


Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> On Oct 31, 7:04 pm, Horst Schnellinger <schnellin...@nurfuerspam.de>
> wrote:
>> * Mark J. <MarkUse...@comcast.net> [31-10-10 23:57]:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 10/31/2010 4:22 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>>> "TheCoz"<cycled...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7238f6d9-b7bd-4362-a988-7c7f404fa0ba@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Oct 31, 1:22 pm, "Beloved Fred No. 1"<n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>>>> A. Dumas wrote:
>>>>>> Barredo was suspended from Jan 1 to Feb 28 "to have more impact than
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> usual off season suspensions in Nov/Dec.
>>>>> He should have used a 36 spoke tied and soldered wheel if he wanted to
>>>>> make an impact.
>>>>> rbt fred
>>>>>> How does RadioShack's uniform offense compare to what Cipo would
>>>>>> repeatedly pull during TdF events?
>>>>>> Coz
>>>> --Oh, please, monsieur. It is a little game we play. They put it on the
>>>> bill, I tear up the bill. It is very convenient.--
>>>> With Cipo, you've got this one flamboyant guy, a sprinter at that, and
>>>> it's no more disruptive than an end-zone dance. Allowing it to continue
>>>> isn't going to cause all that much trouble. But for an entire team to
>>>> change their kit,
>>> ISTR that Cipo's entire team did the "convict" black-and-white stripes
>>> "legalize my Cannondale" kit on the ?Sestriere? stage of Le Tour one
>>> year. Postal did the gray postal jerseys for the last stage of the '03
>>> tour and ASO didn't pitch a hissy fit then. I'm sure there were fines,
>>> probably in both cases, but not this silliness.
>> This fines are okay, good, there are rules, nobody complaines.
>> But the suspension is a dumb joke.
>
> IMO, he would have just got a fine had he not
> immediately tweeted his criticisms. The suspension
> is for using Twitter. Well, and for backtalking the
> officials, but I'm in favor of suspensions for
> any use of Twitter during a stage. Lines have to be
> drawn somewhere. I'm just glad Twitter didn't come
> along until after Cipo retired - the talking-on-a-mobile
> stunts during the stage were bad enough.
>
> Fredmaster "Time for new black sock rules, goddamnit" Ben

You're too soft. I'm in favor of the death penalty for all twitter users
everywhere. That'll put a stop to it.


== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 8:25 pm
From: Fred Flintstein


On 10/31/2010 4:16 PM, TheCoz wrote:
> On Oct 31, 1:22 pm, "Beloved Fred No. 1"<n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>> A. Dumas wrote:
>>> Barredo was suspended from Jan 1 to Feb 28 "to have more impact than the
>>> usual off season suspensions in Nov/Dec.
>>
>> He should have used a 36 spoke tied and soldered wheel if he wanted to
>> make an impact.
>>
>> rbt fred
>
> How does RadioShack's uniform offense compare to what Cipo would
> repeatedly pull during TdF events?
> Coz

A note about Cipo, the year he had the rainbow jersey he wore that
in the Giro instead of a sponsored competition leader's jersey he
was supposed to wear. Later, when his team was not invited to the
Tour I thought that maybe it wasn't a well thought out plan to
thumb your nose at a race organizer's sponsor. I'll bet that gets
the organizer's attention, and not in a good way.

Fred Flintstein


== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 8:59 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Oct 31, 8:04 pm, Horst Schnellinger <schnellin...@nurfuerspam.de>
wrote:

> This fines are okay, good, there are rules, nobody complaines.
> But the suspension is a dumb joke.

Agree 100%
Save suspensions for those who are actually cheating, not just
violation of some administrative protocol, no matter how flagrant.
DR

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 5:26 pm
From: "Mr. Slate"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOur8qXvpnk

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 6:07 pm
From: DirtRoadie


On Oct 30, 12:01 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "Nobody writes about the hospital visits that I make, the jerseys that
> I've sent to somebody who's been hit by a car. But if you're doing
> charitable things and not making stupid mistakes in your private life,
> folks will eventually notice. For the most part I think I'm a good
> person. People who know me-not to be an asshole or anything-they love
> me."
>
> http://outsideonline.com/magazine/0794/947flanc.html?page=1
>
> Kind of eerie reading that piece.

Some of that that piece needs this as a complement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFkAhs4vAsk

DR

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 8:54 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Oct 30, 3:59 am, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>
> > Perhaps you could point us to a case
>
> Dumbass,

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